The Top F1 Cars Never To Win A Grand Prix
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Many good F1 cars got their day in the sun, but sometimes cars which deserve the 1st place spotlight don't get their chance, due to poor luck, bad timing or many other reasons. We take a look back through 70 years of Formula 1 history to find the best cars which never managed to clinch that 1st place trophy, and why they never did.
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williams 2014
the car that could've kicked off Williams' renaissance...6 years later...
@@WinTech4074 but its about cars which never won a gp red Bull did in 2014
That car was kinda like the BAR 006
To be honest, seeing how Bottas performs against Hamilton, and Massa wasn't that close to Bottas. Imagine if that car had a Russell Caliber driver.
Ferrari 2016
2004 BAR and 2007 BMW Sauber come to mind.
@RoadhogTime13 I do as well. Villeneuve would have been brilliant in a 2004 BAR. No doubt.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Wasnt Villeneuve shown up by Button the year before? In any case, the Ferrari was at least a second faster per lap than the BAR and even in equal machinery, Schumacher would have Villeneuve's number all day long.
Benetton B196 and Williams FW36 come to mind as well. Ross Brawn reckoned that the 1996 Benetton would have won lots of races if they hadn't lost Schumacher to Ferrari.
Not true. Jean Alesi would have won in Monaco had the car not developed suspension problems less than 10 laps from the end. Also Berger lost out on a few possible points finishes because the damn car kept blowing up. Alesi and Berger are better drivers than the media give them credit for. Berger WRECKED the opposition in Germany in 1997. It was one of the most insane races I have ever seen. It was also the last win of his career.
proberly more about schumi then the car..
The B196 of Benetton definitely is up there. 10 podiums , 5 THIRD and 5 SECOND Positions, including Monaco, where Alesi broke a left rear suspension when in first position and leading with more than 20 seconds over Panis, and Germany, where Berger broke the engine just 3 laps to go when leading. 3 Fastest Laps. The problem with the car was that too heavy in the rear end. To me, one of the best "what ifs" cars in the 90s
Yep, I thought this was going to be number 1! How it could come so close to a win so many times but never quite make it was quite an achievement. No other car has come even remotely close!
Remember reading also that the car was designed for Schumacher's driving style, and could have been a championship contender if he had stayed...
Also the car got a great chance to win the Italian Grand Prix when Alesi started 6th and was 1st before the first corner, but a bad strategy call cost him the victory to Michael Schumacher
Ivan Capelli's Leyton House Judd at Paul Ricard in 1990. Capelli would surely have won that race, after setting the race lap record, only to have his Judd engine develop issues a handful of laps before the end, allowing Alain Prost to catch and pass Capelli for the victory.
That car was the first thing that came to my mind!
Capelli was in the lead and Gugelmin second, Gugelmin retired and Capelli was also unlucky. They ran a no pit stop strategy at the race and as you say, so nearly pulled it off.
that car was not on top
Apologies for the reupload, and good eye to all those who noticed the mistake in the previous version! We can confirm that the editor of the previous version has been loaded into a cannon and fired into the sun, as he deserved.
😂😂
XD
Oh I missed it - what happened in the previous version?
Scenes
Can someone tell what happened
I love the Design of the BT45B. Also its so cool how different the cars looked from each other back then
That red Martini livery helps a lot to
@@aydankhaliq2967 thats true
2009 toyota
surprised it did not make the list
2005 panasonic toyota was really good
@@ameEeeee3 yeah, wasn't it the third or fourth best car. Trulli got pole in Indianapolis with it, shame the race was a farce
Trulli was really our driving that one
Damn right
My extra choices:
Ferrari SF16H
Toyota TF109
Sauber C31
Williams FW36
McLaren MP4-21
Toyota TF105
Force India VJM02
Renault R30
Arrows A18
Williams FW21
Benetton B196
Leyton House CG901
Wish we could have seen the TF109 get a win, what a tough season to try and get it though.
I also thought immediately about the 2016 Ferrari. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Definitely some good choices. Mp4 - 21 is especially my favorite vote, still baffling that they couldn't even win once despite having the pace for a race win on numerous occasions.
yassine Qadchaoui I believe the Ferrari 87/88c won races in both 1987 and 1988 Australia 87 and Italy 88 but good choicez
yassine Qadchaoui really?, similar enough, probably just an earlier model
Martin Brundle would have won in the Jordan in 97 no doubt. Even Eddie finally admitted that years later . Pity EJ didn't give him another year which Martin thoroughly deserved
This is all true but personally I would have liked Martin to pick up a win or possibly two in his final season before heading for the commentary box. F1 owed him at least one win
@Izumi Culture I’m pretty sure you called a eddie Irvine a prick because of the country he’s from because most of are population are smartass pricks
And I from that country
Harvey Postlethwaite's Tyrrell 018/019. Great and innovative design for 1990 season. Jean Alesi got close to victory two times with the old and the new car, only beaten by the great Senna.
The 1997 Prost JS45 finished 2rd twice driven by Panis , if he had not been blocked while trying to lap Irvine for seven laps he could have won the Spanish grand prix , if he had not had suspension failure during the Canadian grand prix which caused a massive crash breaking his legs and putting him out for several months he could have won the French grand prix or the Hungarian grand prix where the Bridgestone tyre was better on that track as proved by Hill in the Arrows and the Prost was a better car.
What is 2rd exactly mean?
@@rockzs74r 2nd
Secird
first thoughts were the BAR honda 006 of 2004. Had 10 podiums, 2nd in the constructors but no wins.
just a quick word: Fisichella debuted in 1996 with Minardi
but he didn't do the full season
@@Saturn185 but Antonio Giovinazzi isn't a rookie either and he has raced in f1 in 2017 tho.
Fisi had eight GP's before he joined Jordan, so he was definately still inexperienced. Hell, people give Max a pass for his inexperience and he's been in F1 for five years
The 2014 Williams, 2007 BMW Sauber, and the 2004 BAR also deserve a mention
The 2006 McLaren MP4-21 could be on this list in my view
Meh. If you meant MP4-22, I might agree but nah.
@@Legend_1754 the MP4-22 won several races in 2007. The MP4-21 did not win a single race in 2006
@@ericb3593 Then how can you tell us that the 21 deserved a championship with just a little over half the points of Renault and Ferrari that year ? It wasn't competitive enough to deserve a championship.
@@Legend_1754 bro, have you even watched the video? It's about cars that deserved to win a RACE, not the championship
@@ericb3593 It didn't, it was SLOW !
2006 McLaren - Mercedes
Had Räikkönen not retired in Hungary it would have been an easy win
Heat shield exploding in Monaco too, sad times
And a stuck throttle in Shanghai
Ahhhh, yes no Ferrari now, the march 701 is back were it deserves to be.
I miss the Ferrari and the editor, i hope he finds a new job while orbiting the sun
What was the problem in the first version?
Very interesting video. Also the guy doing the commentary is a great speaker
#1: Every Nico Hulkenberg car ever
Except maybe the 2010 williams...
Eduardo Talavera but hulkenberg managed to get his first and only pole position with the 2010 Williams
2010 wiljams poles 1
@@eduardotalavera1800 jes
#2: Every Nick Heidfeld car ever
BAR 006 still one my fav cars off all time
That was really something! THX
Maserati Cooper T81 - yes it won two races but if not for Jack Brabham could have won more in '66 with two very classy drivers - John Surtees and Jochen Rindt. Plus - I just like the look of that car. Great video - thanks.
This video feels strange. It doesn't feel like an Autosport video, and I think it's the robotic voice-over, along with the not-so-great background music.
Very good list, good job! Maybe the Toyota TF105?
Fisichella wasn't a rookie in 1997.... he drove for Minardi in 1996
But not for a full season..
Sounds like everyone is saying to:
Purposely compete in every season race, ... except 1. This way you are always a "Full-season rookie", so when you finally win a race they'll say,
"Only the 4th rookie winner in History!", ...despite it being your 12th season in F1, lol.
9:54 PRAISE THIS CAR!
No.
No, I praise the honda
3 litre N/A V10 with 960 hp, that revs to 20k, unbelievable. No other word for it
They sounded majestic. And the BAR Honda was suspected to be well over 1000 hp.
no v10 ever went past 19.3 and around 940ish hp.
the v8 went up to and beyond 21k, netting around 770hü
Yeah but these engines had no torque at all
Thanks. This list appeared in a 2017 Autosport.
Nice video 👌 cool 👍🔥
2012 Sauber comes to mind immediately... others include the 2009 force India or 2016 force India... among many more
2012 force india and 2009 toyota
Good to hear a familiar Aussie accent...with a little bit of the English in the mix. ;)
Lotus 107 in 1992…that was such a good chassis, but it didn’t have the fancy electronics of the Williams FW14B and McLaren MP4/7. By late 1992 it was the third quickest car on the grid.
not top
I remember two cars with good pace compared with the championship contenders all over the season without win: 1996 Benetton and 2007 BMW.
And BAR 04, but they was already mentioned.
The Prost JS45 - before Panis smashed his legs up in Canada he was on fire in that car. Even when Trulli took over he was running well up the order in Austria before the Mugen engine went all 2015 on him. I'd also have the Toyota TF109 and TF105 in there too.
Name me a race that car SHOULD have won......or a race where it was the best car mate. Hey, im not a hater, i loved the 97 Prost.....but its not in this bracket.
Can somebody tell me what happened in the previous version before the re-upload? I heard that its very funny? 😂
The Ferrari SF16 H from 2016. Achieved a podium in eight of the first nine races. Came close in Spain, Vettel could've won Austria if not for a puncture
In 2016 Ferrari had lots of opportunities, but didn't make the most of them. With Kimi and Seb that year they should have won a minimum of 4 races
You could've added the 1997 TWR Arrows but this is a good list.
The Arrows FA1 comes to mind. The debut season of Arrows and they nearly won their second race before the Ford engine in Patreses car blew up. The car also showed great perfromance in other races and scored a fine 2nd in Sweden behind the Brabham fan car. And you know the stor of the FA1: a carbon copy of the Shadow DN9. After the Swedish GP they had to use a new car, the A1
After May 1, 1994 I didn't want to watch F1 GP to this day especially because of Schumacher pressuring Senna to drive fast and crazy on that fateful day at Imola
Anderson has described his Jordan 191 as an overblown/jumped up F3000 car, although that doesn't change the fact that is was quick, reasonably reliable and one of the prettiest F1 cars ever. It probably did deserve a win in '91 but that was difficult with Williams, Mclaren and to a lesser extent Benetton (who got the best Ford engines).
The March Judd 881 from 1988, the naturally aspirated non-turbo car that was a revelation that season.
5:36 That's one of the ugly mugs of the March. It looks like a Submarine on Wheel. The Nose is Way above the ground. and yet it can transform into Submarine mid-air.
That Brabham is the most beautiful f1 car I've ever seen
Fisichella was not a rookie in 97. He allready had raced for minardi in 96
8 races. Hardly an experienced driver when he joined Jordan.
McLaren MP4-21
That car was a piece of junk for most of the season - Merc messed up the engine. Kimi was at his peak and flattered its performance as everyone at McLaren admits. The engine was horrible so slow in a straight line. Mark Slade said Kimi had to pull Miracles every race to get it on the podium. The chassis also had a fundamental issue with rear end stability which screwed over Montoya and DeLaRosa.
tyrell of alesi 1990, williams of mansell 1988, arrows of Patrese 1991, and Damon Hill1997 plus the Stewart ford of 1999, Toyota of 2005 2007.
It would be great if smaller teams were able to run 1 car and consolidate their resources behind a single driver. Sure they wouldn't be able to compete for the constructors, but they might have a few more stand out race results throughout the season. Maybe even letting new teams run 1 car for their first 2 seasons could encourage more to enter the sport.
The 1984 Lotus and the 1977 Brabham are really great looking beasts! Shame they never won a race in their respective seasons.
I think if Damon Hill had joined Jordan in 97 instead of Arrows he would have won at least a couple of races in that 197. Like the video says it needed an experienced head which neither Ralf or Fisi were at the time.
The Martini and later Parmalat Brabhams still are the best looking F1 cars ever. Well done Gordon Murray 👌
How gorgeous that JPS Lotus was.
Brabham should have won 6 races in the 1977 season. Argentina, Brazil, Belgium, France, Great Britain and USA
2001 Sauber also comes to mind.
Where is the 1996 Benetton B196?
Benneton B196
Renault did not like this in Germany
As soon as he said Lola I was like wtf ho-
I literally thought Mastercard lola
1996 Benetton
2009 Toyota
2014 Williams
& 1996 Benetton B196 .
raikkonen,montoya and truli managed to get wins in 2004... so BAR/Button just didn't have the end product...
Good VO
shouldn't the CG911 be included the 1990 leyton house by Adrian Newey
Zack O That’s the CG901 :)
If you're picking another March (since that's what LH was a continuation of), then it should be the 881 since that had good points finishes and three podium finishes. The CG901 was good at exactly ONE track (the smooth French GP) and failed to qualify six times in the same season.
@@MrSniperfox29 I agree, a lot of people seem to be naming cars that were anywhere from crap to average most of the season bar the odd race. The 1988 March would be a better choice but shouldn't be on this list either
Damon Hill’s 1997 Arrows
We’re it not for poor reliability I think Hull would have scored a canny bit more than 7 points...and of course, we can’t forget Hungary, the race he should have won
I'm not sure that car would fit this video. I agree Damon could of scored more points with a more reliable car, but apart from the ocassional inspired performance by Damon where the track suited the Arrows (Hungary/Jerez) it was largely rubbish in comparison to the ones in the video that were quick and competitive in the majority of races they entered. You couldn't say that about the 97 Arrows
The thing is, it wasn’t a good car. Damon was 8 tenths away from being 107%’d in Australia. The best finish that wasn’t Hungary was 6th in Britain where Frentzen, Hakkinen, Michael, and Irvine all retired. Correct, Damon should have won in Hungary, but that wasn’t the point of this video.
If any Arrows car belongs on this list, I'd go with their 2000 entry.
@@zombiedodge1426 The fastest 2000's car on a straight line!!!
If they'd had the Mugen engine they were supposed to have instead of the Yamaha then possibly.
I think a lot of people are going to confuse consistently good cars with unlucky average ones in the comments here. Leyton House 90, Arrows 97 and the 2009 Force India shouldn't be anywhere near this list.
5:55. Omg that hurts my eyes
"Shadow DNS"? Tempting fate that was surely.
A bit like the Osella FA1L or the Coloni C4
Alfa Romeo 1980, perhaps?
Toleman 1985, a distant one?
In 1982, Élio de Angelis Won in Zeltweg With a Lotus, Austria (Österreichring). How do You Say That Never Won?
A Great Duel With Keke Rosberg.
It was the 1984 Lotus, that was in this list
Fisi wasn’t really a rookie in ‘97, he had outings for Minardi in ‘96. It wasn’t a full year in ‘96, but I think calling him a rookie doesn’t lend itself to accurately portray the experience he had compared to The Ralf.
Charade was a great circuit. Best French GP circuit.
I think you might forgot
1. toyota2005 (tf105 = 2 x 2nd & 2x pole position)
2 arrows 1997 (A18 = 1x 2nd)
arrows 1997 was not top
March 7 - If it looks stupid, but it works, it's not stupid.
Benetton B196 surely should be winning races
Williams FW32 of 2009 was pretty good car, Rosberg was quite close to winning at Malaysia
Also, from the same year, Toyota TF109 was one of the Top 3 cars that year but didn't win
Toyota was also good with the TF105 when they came P4 at the constructors
The Talbot-Lago of 1950 was also a pretty good car in 1948 and 1949 but was outshined in 1950 by the likes of Alfa Romeo.
Williams FW37 was the 2nd best car of 2014, even took a pole, but zero wins.
Ligier of 1982 was as well a solid car and I include it because of the season it competed at. Even Tyrrell won a race that year, but not Ligier, who still was at its peak.
Benetton B198 was as well pretty quick, Alexander Wurz was amazing that season, Fisichella took a pole, but missed out on a victory.
McLaren MP4-21 took many poles if I remember correctly, Kimi could win at Hungary in 2006, but Liuzzi enabled some dirty tactics.
Sauber C31 was one of the great cars in 2012, Perez came really close to winning Sepang and Monza, Kobayashi was 3rd at Suzuka but also no wins for them.
BMW Sauber F1.07 was the third best car but I ain't sure on whether they could win races (but they should tbh)
Arrows A1 was pretty rapid but unreliable.
I would add McLaren Mp4-21 from 2006 to this list. That car scored three poles and would have won in Hungary had Kimi not crashed with a back marker. Not to mention that car looked sick af
I wouldn't that Merc engine was a disaster that year, Mark Slade said Kimi performed miracles to even put it on the podium. Kimi had 3 poles, not that car. Look at the margin from Kimi' to his teammate in each of those poles he had. It wasn't good enough to win DeLaRosa should have won in Hungary if that was true.
Ciaron Smith Sure thing boss man
11:24 Red Bull RB6 was nearly in the list but Verstappen was quick enough to win in Silverstone and dominate Abu Dhabi
2005 and 2009 toyota
2007 bmw sauber
2001 sauber petronas
2014 williams
2000 williams
2012 sauber
2016 force india
Black'n white Sauber
First two/three Martini Williams
Arrows Yamaha in '97 Hungarian GP
Force India, one or two of your choice
One of the Toro Rosso driven by Ricciardo and Vergne
...
I know, it's a very crappy way to make a list...
Fittipaldi F5A
March 881
Benneton b196, alesi and berger
McLaren MP4-21 and Toyota TF105 would fit in this video, I think
The 2006 McLaren was a piece of junk the engine was horrendously slow. Kimi outperformed it.
Ciaron Smith if the Honda could win in 2006 then surely the mp4 21 could manage atleast one?
@@suggon Hodna had a much stronger engine than Mercedes had that year. Again, Kimi just outperformed the car insanely. The 2006 win for Honda was a fluke. It's like saying Toyota should have won a race in 2003 because Jordan fluked into one. Kimi beat Jenson in the standings because Kimi was a better driver than Jenson. Not because the car was better. Remember that.
Ciaron Smith Even if the mp4 21 was an insanely shit car Kimi managed a win in the mp4 19 which had no right to even be on podium until the back end of the season. The mp4 21 was always in the fight for podiums and just off the lead cars. It’s just straight facts ? You say the Honda was faster than the mclaren but even with mclarens “rear stability issues” and there “shit engine” they still finished well clear of Honda ? ...
Jordan 2005 best grid 17/3 best result 3rd
2009 Williams
Nice to see Renault haven’t changed their ways.
1990 Tyrrell. The following season, every other team copied it.
No one understands the tea tray wing, it’s a elliptical span load, very simple.
the Williams FW07D at least deserved a race.
Haven’t finished the video yet but expecting to see the 2014 Williams and 2012 Sauber
How wrong u was lol
Ferrari SF16-H, 11 podiums, but no race win.
Mclaren MP4-21 was a good car. They just had bad luck
Hey Autosport, still not HRT in this list? Jeez.
The driver line up at Jordan in 1997 should have been Damon Hill and Martin Brundle. Sadly it was a rookie "Ralf Schumacher" and Fisichella who only had driven for 8 races with Minardi in 1996. Much of the potential and development of the Jordan 197 was squandered. Seeing as Fisichella finished 8th in 1997 with 20 points it's not unreasonable to say that Hill could have finished in 5th ahead of Berger (who collected 27 points and finished 5th). Even Alesi's 4th with 36 points might have been attainable.
Hill's debacle with Arrows meant he finished 12th in the 1997 standings after winning the title in 1996 rather than what could have been 4th or 5th which certainly would have helped both his and Jordan's prospects for 1998. Though one wonders whether Jordan still would have went for the Mugen Honda engine in 1998 or if a potential win or two with Hill in 1997 would have cemented Peugeout's will to continue with a world champion and a team which proved it could win.
Martin Brundle was a smart driver who even Schumacher said just had been "unlucky" and he said that he learned a lot from him in his first full season as a F1 driver in 1992. I think it's fair to say that Brundle probably would have finished on the podium 3-4 times in 1997. Mind you he outqualified the young and fast Barrichello at Jordan in 1996 at several races and beat him when he got the car set up to his liking.
"Ralph Schumacher" ?
fisichela and hill would of been the best partnership, brundle got shown up by baricehelo.. thats why he was a goner.
Benetton B199
Prost AP02
Mercedes SidepodCars make the list
why is toyota not in here?
Toyota won a race I thought
@@stpbasss3773 I do not believe they won a race. BAR won at Hungary for their only win.
@@bmstylee yah you're right I remember them getting some podiums in 09 but that's about it.
I thought this would be the top 10 Constructors who never won, not just their yearly cars. But this was a nice list.
Man, #6 was an ugly car! Cool statistics for #2, what more could Mutton do?
Alfa Romeo 179 and 182
1978 Arrows...
But what about Spyker 2007?
If only THAT race ended after the red flag...
2023 Mercedes maybe… second in the constructors with a decent number of podiums. Also the Aston or McLaren at various points in the season.
My god so many 70s and 80s cars in here that barely anyone remembers. What about the:
1991 Ferrari?
1994 McLaren?
1996 Benetton?
2006 McLaren?
2007 BMW Sauber?
2012 Sauber?
2014 Williams?
2015 Red Bull?
2016 Ferrari?
They got so many 2nd and third places and they're all being left out?
Ferrari 2016 was not a top car for my despair