@Jennifer Maple Last manual trans AND last V12 to win a championship and IMO along with the 412T1/2 the best sounding engine of all time. Berger did win a race. The car had stiff competition in the FW14 which later became the FW15C, probably the most technologically advanced car in racing ever vs its competition. The MP4/6, V12, manual trans, incredible sound and driven to dominance by Senna. It I could drive any car in motorsport history it would be #1
@Jennifer Maple Ok fine if you consider Bergers win as Sennas then Senna had 8 wins, tying the MP4/6 with the MP4/4 as the car with the most wins for Senna
In Adrian Newey's book he basically admits that they were totally aware that the FW16 was completely aerodynamically unstable before the race at Imola. The side pods were too long and ultimately caused the flow to and through the diffuser to stall thereby causing it to lose all down force at the rear. He also admitted to being the designer that told the techs to turn down the diameter of the steering shaft so that an FIA inspection template could still pass through after Senna requested they move the steering away from the dash slightly. They did that without any FEA or knowing how much the steering shaft had been weakened. So yeah, a total failure and belongs at the bottom of the list for sure!
Oh yeah, I despise that car despite the arguements for it, plus ignoring the emotion and feelings to that it killed him is ridiculous, it is the worst car he drove
@@durwin19 I disagree Senna was on to second place at Brazil and you are hit from behind at Japan. I'm with leading the race at imola before his fatal crash. How can that be his worst car?
@@ZoidPickle I agree that the car was unstable because it was designed to have active suspension. My point was simply that Williams were aware of it before anyone crashed. Williams tested at Circuit de Nogaro with Hill driving and he said that it was so unstable he could barely see because the car was bouncing around so badly. Just my opinion, but if it was so bad that it was that dangerous, Williams should have pulled the cars until the problem was fixed. Newey was able to make the car better later on by redesigning and fitting shorter side pods.
So bad he got pole on every race that year lol. Not bad, but unstable, is the right word to use. Very understandable cause the FIA banned all the "driving aids" ( traction control, active suspension )on that season which Williams were so good at. It's the FIA who killed Senna with their bogus technical changes, Williams infact get their shit later on that season and still won constructor lmao...
@@aspiknf how can you say that. senna did 2 races (taking poles in both of them) retiring in both of them, one of which was only his fault. as long as i can see schumacher did 2 faultless races that year, senna did not.
MS that’s only cuz Schumacher had so much going wrong in that season with those stupid race bans and disqualifications Williams were so lucky to be even in the championship cuz of those bans and DSQ
Don't forget that the 94 Williams despite the poor aero, had the best Engine that was about 80hp+ over the other cars on the grid so it was much faster in the straights, but it handled like a dog which slowed it down tremendously
Donington 1993: The impressive 4 things about that lap were: 1. The effortlessness with which he did it. He didn’t “barely” scrape through each pass. The car moved effortlessly as if in another dimension. It’s as if the other cars weren’t on the same track. 2. He did it in a car considered between the third and fourth best on the grid that season. 3. He passed people who would go on to win a combined 12 F1 world championships. 4. He did it in a single lap. Then again we are talking about someone who won Monaco 6 times. With 5 wins consecutively. Like when Webber said he felt proud to be up there with Senna after he won the Monaco GP, and someone said he’d have to win the next five runnings consecutively just to match him. It really is accurate to say that Ayrton Senna essentially has no equal. And the above has nothing to do with his dying young. He really WAS that good.
gold333 when schuey forced me onto the outside I spun on the pit exit.luckily I didn't hit him.then again in the first corner I kiss the white line again spinning luckily I was ahead of schuey but still not in control as Wendlinger continued my car settled and naturally ran wide.i continued and went down the outside (the gap).then it was a simple up the inside overtake. The important thing is that first corner was two spins..... I entered F1 at 15. I am alive.but but have metastases. My favourite was no 27.....
Speaking of consecetive Monaco wins, Rosberg got three on the bounce. Yes, the latter of his three wins was because Mercedes completely messed up Hamilton's strategy, but then again, Mansell had Senna beaten in 1987 until his turbo failed, and his 1993 win was very lucky due to Prost's drive throughs and Schumacher's retirement. Also, we must remember Senna could have very easily had 6 consecuetive Monaco victories if he hadn't had made the error at Portier. I'm not saying Senna was bad in Monaco, he was very good, but he wasn't unbeatable for sure.
what is that idiot doing? Putting the MP4/5B below the bloody Lotus? The man's insane! And how the hell does taking Prost out at Suzuka mean that it must be a bad car? He's mad!
Rip roland and thank you for being someone you remembers his death though senna was more 'tragic' Senna flew the Austrian flag as a tribute to him and died later that day
The MP4/6 was not beaten by Williams due to their unreliability in the first 4 races. That is an incorrect statement. Senna put that car on pole for the first 4 races and it was the most dominant start in F1 history. OK, Senna did go beyond the limit of the car at times and took it to a finish in Brazil that it should not have made being stuck in 6th gear, and the Williams caught up and surpassed it mid season, but Honda kept pushing with the new engine for Hungary for example, and it was the last mighty V12 / manual combo to win a championship. Towards the end, by Suzuka, it had probably gone beyond the Williams car . Oh, and it sounded glorious - I know, I heard it at the Silverstone GP 1991!
The 93 car is my fav I have the Tamiya models of the mp4/4, the mp4/5 and the mp4/8 The 93 mp4/8 looks sooo good Its also the FIRST to introduce bargeboards
I think that the FW16 is last. It had a fatal flaw which is the worse type of issue you can have on a car. On a list ranking the best to the worst, clearly the worst is the one he died in.
@@saltbjorn there was something about the combination of Senna's distinctive yellow helmet combined with the equally iconic black and gold JPS Lotuses that he drove in 1985 and 1986. Particularly the 1985 Lotus 97T, he achieved his breakthrough victory at Estoril in crushing style, pole, fastest lap, race win by over a minute. It was also his first pole position and first win, if Monaco 1984 showed what he could do, Estoril 1985 showed what could do with race winning machinery. Another factor, the man himself felt it was a better performance by him personally than Donnington 1993. The Lotus had none of the technical wizardry of the MP4-8, a manual gearbox, less downforce, significantly more power in the Renault V6 twin turbo than the normally aspirated Ford V8 in the McLaren that year and a harder to manage power delivery with the Renault V6 twin turbo as the Lotus didn't have traction control, launch control or active suspension at the time
SiVlog the lotus that senna drove was more competitive at the time than his 1993 McLaren - also you saying what technicals the McLaren had and all is completely irrelevant since everyone had that
I prefer the John Player Special Lotus colours, but in terms of the design I much prefer the early 90s designs. The engine cover just looked squashed on the turbo-era cars. I would love to see what a MP4/6 or a Ferrari 641 would look like in them colours, plus a screaming V12 engine in the back.
Oh man I really laughed when you initially put the Williams at the bottom.. I think even Ayrton Senna would have agreed. He worked wonders in that car in qualifying though. Thanks for a great video!
In a few days rank the Gilles Villeneuve cars ; , or If you say Senna, 1st you,ll think of is Prost (and vice versa), so a prost car ranking (1980-1993 (maybe the mclarens of 95-96 (Prost did a lot of work in them with testing (because Hakkinen was injured ) As the cars of Senna i would say, the 94 at the bottom, car was very hard to handle, and unpredictable (also Hill had a suspension failure that year )
The FW16 isn’t “the car” that killed Senna. Ultimately, it was a modification to the car, not the design of the car itself, that was responsible for his accident. Coulthard, Hill, and Mansell came back to take the WCC for Williams in the same car.
Well sorta.. The design of the car is what caused the modifications to be made in the first place that ended up leading to that fatal accident because of one of the latest & poorest modifications of them all.. But I do agree, it was a modification that had killed him tho..
Senna was only behind Schumacher in 92 due to reliability problems. In fact he was several positions ahead of Schumacher in most races he had to retire, just look it up to see I'm right. In 93 he was consistently ahead of Schumacher.
toleman tg184 higher than 98T? Senna lost the title fight in '86 only after running out of fuel in Portugal, and I think 98T is better than 99T, in '87 British gp his 99T finished full lap behind the Williams with the same Honda engine, and in '87 he never looked as title contender.
Not the same Honda engine. One spec behind (RA166 99t vs RA167 FW11B). Lotus 100t (Piquet) had the very same engine of the McLaren 4/4 in 1988 (RA168). But I totally agree it's nosense the TG184 higher than the 98t.
You guys are smart enough to know the difference between FW16 and FW16B. Newey admitted the 16A was ill handling. It's aero mounting was based on the rightheight latitude of an active car while it was passively sprung. There is no doubt the FW16 was the worst of the cars. It wasn't even normal.
The ‘84 Toleman was actually getting better throughout the season. For the last race at Estoril Senna qualified 3rd and his teammate for that race Johansson qualified 7th. My ranking of Senna’s cars: 12. TG183B 11. FW16 (original spec.) 10. 99T 9. TG184 8. MP4/7A 7. 98T 6. MP4/5B 5. 97T 4. MP4/6 3. MP4/8 2. MP4/5 1. MP4/4
Its amazing how people cant see that Senna achieved what he achieved pretty much in 6 seasons, seeing as he drove 4 season for mind to lower grid teams, Hamilton hasnt driven one season in a less then 1st or 2nd best car. Had 6 years more and more races per season , cant win by a lap in the wet and despite infinite more aids wouldnt dare drive a wet race in slicks.
You clearly weren't watching in 2009 😂 2007: very close, but second best car 2008: second best car 2009: ninth best car at the beginning of the season, fourth best car by the end 2010: third best car 2011: second best car, miles behind RBR 2012: close second fastest car, but terribly unreliable 2013: close second fastest car in quali, but fourth best in race trim 2014: dominant car 2015: dominant car 2016: dominant car 2017: close but marginally best car 2018: close but second best car 2019: dominant car in the first third of the season; close but marginally best car in the other two-thirds 2020: dominant car 2021: close but second best car as of round 14
A bit unfair to compare F1 in the 80s to today. Expecting modern drivers to win by a lap today is ridiculous. The 80s had teams like Life F1 and much more cars than today. The gap between teams was far greater too, something a lot of people would say is an improvement. You really want drivers winning by a lap? If we are going to judge drivers based on that Fangio far outranks Senna given races were won by minutes in those days. You are expecting drivers today to do things totally unrealistic. You think someone would actually drive on a wet track on slicks? No aids are going to overcome the sheer lack of grip. And even then, Hamilton has done something similar in Spa 08, where he stayed on drys in rainy conditions and won. He won by a lap at silverstone in 08, a year where TC was banned. Senna had driver aids at Donnington, so by your own logic Senna loses out. Has he had the best car most of his career? Yes. Did Fangio? Yes. But think you should ask why he is in those cars in the first place. Not even Senna won a championship without having the best car. I think Steven Nichols is right, some of you ignore stats or facts that dampen his performances because he died young in a racing car. Prost won more titles and won the 88 championship if normal rules applied. But you willingly ignore those facts because it damages your bias.
saying the Williams he driven in 1994 as the worst is weird. It was in a different league to the opposition, comparing a Toleman to the back, who would say the Williams had the same gap in.1994 to a rear gunner?
My list from best to worst (overall car season specs): Mclaren 88 Mclaren 90 Mclaren 89 Williams 94 Mclaren 91 Mclaren 93 Lotus 86 Lotus 85 Lotus 87 Mclaren 92 Toleman 84 Toleman 83
Why insist on this antics? Senna is a motorsport legend, he will always be remembered, regardless of the years that pass. The vast majority of motorsport fans have nothing to say about Roland, he was a rookie, so they only talk about Senna. Roland will always be remembered in F1 for the tragic accident, but never at Senna's level. One has to learn to separate that. Other drivers died in the same season in F1 and do not have this clowning. Rest in peace Senna and Ratzenberger.
You also can do a Senna team mate ranking ;) 1.Prost (Senna,s equal 2.Hakkinen (faster in his 1st Qualify ) 3.de Angelis (shame they werent teammates in 86, consistent, and beated Mansell at Lotus) 4. Gerhard Berger (sometimes a match , learned Senna to relax a bit more ) 5. Andretti ( couldnt adapt in f1 but had a few good races 6 Cecotto 7. Nakajima (average driver, debut season 8. Dumfries ( ok had some bad luck , but otherwise what did he do in f1 ? ) I feel some one is missing ..
Stefan Johansson and Damon Hill are missing. And I think Berger was way better than de Angelis. Senna destroyed de Angelis in 1985 he was a boring driver, both his wins were lucky ones. Berger had great moments and had a good year in 1992 as Senna's team mate.
Oh yeah... stupid me... Damon Hill strange isnt it... Just like his dad, carried the team after his team mate and the best driver at that point dies.... (maybe the same reason (both tyre/suspension related)... about Damon I,m putting him 3rd... he did a good job in 94... (only about 94 )
Poor analysis of theWilliams, for as flawed as it was. If it wasn’t for Benetton cheating and having an all time great driver in Schumacher - Senna would have had 3 poles and won every race in that car. Senna lapped the entire field (bar Schumacher) in the one Gp he did, Brazil, before spinning out
Do you really think Senna would spin out if it was a good car? What about the lil incident at Imola?? That took he´s bloody life with FIA covering Williams untill today about the flaws of this magnificent car. Give me a break.
@@clicheguevara9917 Well, Schumacher scored more points, but Senna had more wins and retirements. When the Williams cars were there to be pushed(by their misfortune or otherwise), more often than not, it was Senna giving them the hassle. See Monaco, Hungary, Germany, Italy, Adelaide.
Senna was only behind Schumacher in 92 due to reliability problems. In fact he was several positions ahead of Schumacher in most races he had to retire, just look it up to see I'm right. In 93 he was consistently ahead of Schumacher.
Berger had his best season in it.😂 He was only a point behind Senna. I think the Austrian did enough 90-91 to help the team win Constructors; but in 1992 he was negotiating with Ferrari.
It's going to be difficult to decide which car is the best when they do Lewis Hamilton's best F1 cars. My vote goes to either the 2014 or 2018 Mercedes cars.
Not the 2018 one for sure. Ferrari had the faster car at the first half of the season and remained competitive throughout. It was only Vettel's constant mistakes which denied them the title. The 2016 Mercedes won 19 out of 21 races and was in a class of its own. The 2015 Mercedes managed a record 12 1-2 finishes. Hamilton's own record for most laps led in a year was in 2015 with 587 laps led, second best is 2016 with 566 laps led.
@@yewisemountaingoat528Ah, okay I see your point. The reason I put it there is because Ferrari gave it everything in the first part of the season and still lost the title through mistakes. I guess the 2008 McLaren could be a better contender since it got him his first world title?
The FW16 higher up and ‘87 Lotus lower. The Williams was flawed technically and unsafe but it would’ve gave Senna the championship. Was Benetton cheating by the way? Making the Williams seem slower? For the lotus the active suspension didn’t work. No poles for Senna and two wins where the car shone. So don’t be blinded by its tech it’s the car Senna had enough of at Lotus. Basically equal to the ‘86 lotus
Jordie Evans it was a handful to handle. But it was developed well enough to take Hill to 2nd. Even Schumacher said Senna would have won it had he lived. It had the speed as the season progressed
The only GP driven by Senna, Schumacher and Hill in 1994, it was the Brazilian GP - Senna LAPPED Hill, who was 1.6 sec SLOWER than himself in the previous year with the FW15c. But Senna managed to equal Prost's time from the previous year. That's his merit.
The MP4/6 should be second (let's be honest, nothing is going to displace the 4/4 from top) simply because it was the last REAL racing car to win the F1 world championship.....normally aspirated 3.5 litre V12, manual gearbox and no active suspension or other electronic wizardry. And as for the Williams FW16 getting such poor results......well, you'd almost think it was competing against an illegal car......oh, hang on a minute....
I have no doubt, if Senna had lived, he would've scored many points, and would've won many races in the Williams FW16. If he had lived, he would've ended up driving the B-spec Williams FW16, which was introduced about mid-season. Remember, just before his unfortunate demise, Senna was appointed as the head of the board for the Grand Prix Drivers' Association The ultimate aim was improving safety in Formula 1, and I'm Senna would've pushed for that, as he did have discussions on his final day about reforming the GPDA, to improve the safety in F1, which did end up happening. Had he survived, he would've been the Head of the GPDA, and also would've ended up racing through the rule and regulation changes, and most likely would've pushed Schumacher to the championship.
Throwing apart the emotional side, there is no way to put the Williams FW16 that low on the leaderboard. The car got 3 out of 3 poles, was obviously fast. It got faster and easier to drive over the season, but from the beginning the car was fast. Those Lotus never had a chance of winning a championship by any means
Actually the 1985 Lotus had a chance of winning the championship. Nobody led more laps than Senna that season. Senna led 271 laps in 1985, world champion Prost led 178 laps, 2nd in championship Alboreto only led 98 laps. The Lotus 97T was fast enough to have 8 pole positions in 1985 (7 by Senna, 1 by De Angelis). You're saying the car got 3 out of 3 poles, but what about Lotus's 8 poles in 1985 when McLaren only had 2, Williams 3 and Ferrari 1? If Senna led 271 laps in 1985 (more than anybody else) then the car was obviously fast enough to be a winner. So why didn't he win the 1985 title? Well, there's the issue of reliability... Part of this was actually Senna's fault since he went flat out to win and the turbo era had fast but fragile cars. An example of him pushing too hard would be Imola 1985 which he led commandingly for the first 56 laps. With four laps to go he ran out of fuel. The next race was Monaco. Senna started from pole and led the first 17 laps, then he retired with engine problems. Fact is Senna scored 0 points in the 9 next races following his win in Portugal. Senna led the British GP the first 59 laps but got a fuel injection problem and retired with 6 more laps to go. He had also been a steady third in the Brazilian GP, the first race of the season but retired with electric problems. Had Senna just finished at Imola, Monaco and Silverstone he would have been 1985 world champion. Senna managed 8 poles in the 1986 Lotus but he raced 198 laps less than Prost and Piquet so reliability still plagued him and Lotus. "Those Lotus never had a chance of winning a championship by any means." Unless you really meant *Toleman* there's no way to call the 1985 and 1986 Lotuses uncompetitive.
Do a similar programme on the Merceds AMG cars. The most dominant period by any manufacturer in the history of F1. Any half decent driver would have won a championship in those cars from 2014.
The list was perfect until you started to make changes. Putting that Toleman better than the Lotus 98T is not reasonable at all, in 1986 Senna was leading the championship with this car, against the great FW11 of Mansell and Piquet + the McLarens of Prost and Rosberg. As well Senna was in the game for the WC until the end, with this car.
I think the MP4/6 deserves the top spot. The MP4/4 regardless of its success is more a car attributed to both Senna, Prost and the entire McLaren team than Senna himself. The MP4/6 is Senna's car and was where he reached the peak of his powers, as a man as well as a driver. He had to deal with the rising Williams too. And personally I think of that car when I think of senna more than the MP4/4. The MP4/4 is the whole of mclaren, not just Senna.
I agree with most of that but the Williams has got to be in amongst the Lotii at the very minimum, if not higher. Other posters have given a myriad of reasons as to why so I wont repeat them. Still enjoy these lists though
FW16 was a good car, second on the grid on the few races Senna drove it. And it was quick, you cant have a 100% pole rate (3/3) on a slow machine. Even with its flaws and with the fact he died on that machine, it deserves a higher place
Ye I really have to agree on that....I mean I do get 100% why some ppl just want to hate that car, because without question it was the technical failure of that car that ended up getting Senna killed and he never scored a point in it (although in Aida it wasnt because of technical failure but because he had collision at the start with Mika Häkkinen I believe) but you have to look at how good pace it had and after all, before the B-spec of the car came in French, Damon Hill still managed to win a race in it and take two 2nd places... So while it was unreliable and aerodynamically unstable even according to Newey himself, it was still good enough to take poles and even wins, though whether that was more thanks to that raw power of Renault engine is another debate. Either way I would personally still rate it atleast above 1987 Lotus, perhaps even above the two other Lotus cars as well, but ofc I could rate it well under all the Mclaren cars he drove. FW16B is completely another matter, but ofc that B-spec of a car he never got to drive unfortunately. Overall even FW16 though was faster than any other car besides Benetton and if we rate purely based on that, it doesnt indeed deserve to be that low.
FW16 was way better than ranked here. Only reason the Benetton was remotely close was because they were using traction and launch control. Take those away and put the FW16 and B194 on equal terms and Senna dominates on cruise control.
No he doesnt. At the beginning of the season the car had an aero flaw resulting in a lack of rear grip. Senna managed to wrestle it to pole. It will forever be remembered as the car which he died in, most likely the result of a botched backyard engineering job to the steering shaft. I would put it dead last as well.
The fact Benetton definitely used an active suspension and traction control ruined Senna’s life technically, he was more pressured as he wasn’t even contending due to the 3 unlucky dnf’s
You almost lost me by even debating the top of the list. The rules were the same for everyone. The MP4/4 was totally dominant. It blew away the competition. In my opinion it is the best Formula 1 car ever, not only the best Senna car.
Which car did senna 'marry'. Their is also a car whose gearbox says 'just us' with each shift. Also his real autograph features two letters or numbers. Can anyone help....
I aggre with the distaste of the 1994 williams, for it being the car Senna died in. Sadly what killed him was the safety car period that lowered tyre pressure to such an extend that his car understeered in tamburello and he never could make it turn again while braking, all that happening in half a second...
@@beeveli right, but it was never determined if the stering column broke before or during the crash. When you see what happens in our days when tyres are cold, just imagine what it was like 25 years ago...
What Senna did in 94 with that Williams was other worldly. Hamilton was given a bad car in 2022 and floats around in p7 but when Ayrton got a crap car in 94 he still put it on pole each race and kept his teammate in the shade so greater than hamilton easily.
On the other hand if we take into account that Damon Hill managed to win a race with that (and Im talking about the original spec of FW16 here not the B-spec) and two 2nd positions, as well as the pole positions Senna took, you really have to ask yourself does it objectively deserve to be ranked even below the Tolemans? Yes sure, it was the car that got him killed, but then again you could argue that if there had been tyre wall in Tamborello, that he would have walked out of it, just like Barichello did after his Friday's crash. Also the reason he didnt finish the raice in Aida/Pacific GP was NOT because of car failure, but because of the crash he had at the start with Mika Häkkinen. Ofc we dont know whether or not the car would have failed him later in the race, but like said in those first 3 races, Hill atleast managed to finish 2nd and 6th in Imola so he atleast took some points with that car. But I do understand where you are coming from and why ppl hate that car, for obvious reasons. I would still say that more than the car, I blame the safety standards of F1 tracks at the time more, because like said I truly believe that if there had been tyre wall in Tamburello, that he would have walked out of it as the car's front end (including right front tyre that hit his head along with its suspension) would have sunked into the tyre barrier instead of hitting him in the head. And im honestly fucking tyred of hearing arguments against tyre barrier there because in ALL modern F1 tracks there would be tyre barrier in that kind of fast corner....one might have been able to drive it flatout without problems and thus thinking there was no need for tyre barrier or that there was risk that in case of crash tyres from that barrier would bounce to the track, or that there would have been bit less of runoff area, but I say those are all utterly senseless excuses for me. There should have been tyre barrier in that corner without any question if you ask me.
@@Balnazzardi to me they're all ifs, buts and maybes. He didn't score a point in the car and then it killed him, to me I can't really think of a way a car could be worse. He picked up points in the Tolemans and when he did crash them he walked away from the wreckage. I'd argue it ceases to be Senna's car the moment it killed him, so any results after than I wouldn't bring into the debate cause they're not relevant
If Senna didn't drive so called FW16B, what's the point of doing this video. How difficult to drive FW16 was? The car might be the cause of his death. That had to be the worst car. You guys are talking about cars, but say the engine is a separate thing. Does a car include an engine, tire? Funny logic and rationale.
I do not agree with you completely (I am only going to count one model for each year): 1.) McLaren MP-4 (1988) 2.) McLaren MP-5 (1989) 3.) McLaren-MP- 6 (1990) 4.) McLaren-MP- 7 (1991) almost equal to 5.) Williams (1994) 6.) McLaren MP-9 (1993) 7.) McLaren MP-8 (1992) 8.) Lotus 1986 9.) Lotus 1987 10.) Lotus 1985 11.) Toleman (1984) Also because you forgot the vice title for Hill, as well as the podiums for Mansell and Coulthard as well
What a bunch of dorks... they talk about irrelevant factors such as "Senna wanted to move to Williams .. or Senna was demotivated .. Senna Crashed into Prost in this car"... instead of actual issues related to the car.... technical innovation and factual data (poles, wins, and f-laps).. also looks is an important factor
The MP4/6 deserves more credit as the last all-manual shift championship winner against a tech marvel Williams.
@Jennifer Maple Last manual trans AND last V12 to win a championship and IMO along with the 412T1/2 the best sounding engine of all time. Berger did win a race. The car had stiff competition in the FW14 which later became the FW15C, probably the most technologically advanced car in racing ever vs its competition.
The MP4/6, V12, manual trans, incredible sound and driven to dominance by Senna. It I could drive any car in motorsport history it would be #1
You'r nosense
@Jennifer Maple Ok fine if you consider Bergers win as Sennas then Senna had 8 wins, tying the MP4/6 with the MP4/4 as the car with the most wins for Senna
@3213232 1231223 and what does that have to do with anything we are discussing?
@@K20EF8 @jennifer. As sorry as I am:But this is womens knowledge! 😜
In Adrian Newey's book he basically admits that they were totally aware that the FW16 was completely
aerodynamically unstable before the race at Imola. The side pods were too long and ultimately caused
the flow to and through the diffuser to stall thereby causing it to lose all down force at the rear. He also
admitted to being the designer that told the techs to turn down the diameter of the steering shaft so that an FIA
inspection template could still pass through after Senna requested they move the steering away from the dash
slightly. They did that without any FEA or knowing how much the steering shaft had been weakened. So yeah, a total
failure and belongs at the bottom of the list for sure!
Oh yeah, I despise that car despite the arguements for it, plus ignoring the emotion and feelings to that it killed him is ridiculous, it is the worst car he drove
MegaherzZwei that is not the reason.
It had been designed with
Active suspention. The fia
Banned the active suspention.
Which made the car unstable.
@@durwin19 I disagree Senna was on to second place at Brazil and you are hit from behind at Japan. I'm with leading the race at imola before his fatal crash. How can that be his worst car?
@@ZoidPickle I agree that the car was unstable because it was designed to have active
suspension. My point was simply that Williams were aware of it before anyone crashed. Williams
tested at Circuit de Nogaro with Hill driving and he said that it was so unstable he could barely see
because the car was bouncing around so badly. Just my opinion, but if it was so bad that it was that
dangerous, Williams should have pulled the cars until the problem was fixed. Newey was able to make
the car better later on by redesigning and fitting shorter side pods.
@@Dunky80 You said it yourself, it killed him. It was an unstable mess, and it cost one of the greatest of all time everything.
the Williams was so bad, that took his life, Senna really struggled with that car. Bottom on my ranking, by far
And people still says he would win WDC in 1994. How can?
So bad he got pole on every race that year lol. Not bad, but unstable, is the right word to use. Very understandable cause the FIA banned all the "driving aids" ( traction control, active suspension )on that season which Williams were so good at. It's the FIA who killed Senna with their bogus technical changes, Williams infact get their shit later on that season and still won constructor lmao...
@@ChuckN516 Senna was better than Schumacher in 1994
@@edgarpanganiban9339 so it's basically an early 2000s Mclaren
@@aspiknf how can you say that. senna did 2 races (taking poles in both of them) retiring in both of them, one of which was only his fault. as long as i can see schumacher did 2 faultless races that year, senna did not.
"Well the car killed the guy, but it wasn't too bad overall"
Hill almost won championship with it.
MS that’s only cuz Schumacher had so much going wrong in that season with those stupid race bans and disqualifications
Williams were so lucky to be even in the championship cuz of those bans and DSQ
@@henrywhatzal4724 Still it was a car capable of winning races. We arent talking here about a Minardi.
I think so, just because or short tenure doesn't mean bad right?
Don't forget that the 94 Williams despite the poor aero, had the best Engine that was about 80hp+ over the other cars on the grid so it was much faster in the straights, but it handled like a dog which slowed it down tremendously
Donington 1993:
The impressive 4 things about that lap were:
1. The effortlessness with which he did it. He didn’t “barely” scrape through each pass. The car moved effortlessly as if in another dimension. It’s as if the other cars weren’t on the same track.
2. He did it in a car considered between the third and fourth best on the grid that season.
3. He passed people who would go on to win a combined 12 F1 world championships.
4. He did it in a single lap.
Then again we are talking about someone who won Monaco 6 times. With 5 wins consecutively. Like when Webber said he felt proud to be up there with Senna after he won the Monaco GP, and someone said he’d have to win the next five runnings consecutively just to match him.
It really is accurate to say that Ayrton Senna essentially has no equal.
And the above has nothing to do with his dying young. He really WAS that good.
gold333 when schuey forced me onto the outside I spun on the pit exit.luckily I didn't hit him.then again in the first corner I kiss the white line again spinning luckily I was ahead of schuey but still not in control as Wendlinger continued my car settled and naturally ran wide.i continued and went down the outside (the gap).then it was a simple up the inside overtake.
The important thing is that first corner was two spins.....
I entered F1 at 15.
I am alive.but but have metastases.
My favourite was no 27.....
Speaking of consecetive Monaco wins, Rosberg got three on the bounce. Yes, the latter of his three wins was because Mercedes completely messed up Hamilton's strategy, but then again, Mansell had Senna beaten in 1987 until his turbo failed, and his 1993 win was very lucky due to Prost's drive throughs and Schumacher's retirement. Also, we must remember Senna could have very easily had 6 consecuetive Monaco victories if he hadn't had made the error at Portier. I'm not saying Senna was bad in Monaco, he was very good, but he wasn't unbeatable for sure.
Wow a championship winning car under the ‘87 lotus? Lol
They also said he didn't do too well in that car. He came 3rd in the drivers championship
what is that idiot doing? Putting the MP4/5B below the bloody Lotus? The man's insane! And how the hell does taking Prost out at Suzuka mean that it must be a bad car? He's mad!
Yeah, this vid annoyed me. So much emotional bias, very little objective thinking.
They are English, mate.
Being mad is their prerrogative.
Morfeu I see you haven’t met Americans
@@alexirussian9592 met more than my share of them.
Ask me if I like any of them, please!
Morfeu do you like any of them?
RIP Roland 🇱🇻
Rip roland and thank you for being someone you remembers his death though senna was more 'tragic'
Senna flew the Austrian flag as a tribute to him and died later that day
@@lennyhards7379 Erm Austrian, he flew the Austrian flag.
I hope you know that isn't the Austrian flag.
JMGaming First I found that was at least close #kurwa 😉
@@E-MAT-sz3sg it's close but that doesn't make it right.
The 98t is too low. He was in the running for the championship almost until the end whereas he wasn't in the 99t or 97t.
agree
The MP4/6 was not beaten by Williams due to their unreliability in the first 4 races. That is an incorrect statement. Senna put that car on pole for the first 4 races and it was the most dominant start in F1 history. OK, Senna did go beyond the limit of the car at times and took it to a finish in Brazil that it should not have made being stuck in 6th gear, and the Williams caught up and surpassed it mid season, but Honda kept pushing with the new engine for Hungary for example, and it was the last mighty V12 / manual combo to win a championship. Towards the end, by Suzuka, it had probably gone beyond the Williams car . Oh, and it sounded glorious - I know, I heard it at the Silverstone GP 1991!
I love this Senna' series. Great job, autosport !
The 93 car is my fav
I have the Tamiya models of the mp4/4, the mp4/5 and the mp4/8
The 93 mp4/8 looks sooo good
Its also the FIRST to introduce bargeboards
I think that the FW16 is last. It had a fatal flaw which is the worse type of issue you can have on a car. On a list ranking the best to the worst, clearly the worst is the one he died in.
Here is how I would put the order:
1: McLaren MP4-4
2: Lotus 97t
3: Lotus 98t
4: McLaren MP4-8
5: McLaren MP4-6
6: McLaren MP4-5
7: McLaren MP4-5B
8: McLaren MP4-7
9: Williams FW16
10: Lotus 99t
11: Toleman TG184
12: Toleman TG183
SiVlog the mp4-5,5b and 6 were way better than the lotus’s
Also 3 poles for 3 in Williams cmon man
@@saltbjorn there was something about the combination of Senna's distinctive yellow helmet combined with the equally iconic black and gold JPS Lotuses that he drove in 1985 and 1986. Particularly the 1985 Lotus 97T, he achieved his breakthrough victory at Estoril in crushing style, pole, fastest lap, race win by over a minute. It was also his first pole position and first win, if Monaco 1984 showed what he could do, Estoril 1985 showed what could do with race winning machinery.
Another factor, the man himself felt it was a better performance by him personally than Donnington 1993. The Lotus had none of the technical wizardry of the MP4-8, a manual gearbox, less downforce, significantly more power in the Renault V6 twin turbo than the normally aspirated Ford V8 in the McLaren that year and a harder to manage power delivery with the Renault V6 twin turbo as the Lotus didn't have traction control, launch control or active suspension at the time
@@saltbjorn besides, I based my order on more than just the sheer performance of the cars, but also the visual impact on me
SiVlog the lotus that senna drove was more competitive at the time than his 1993 McLaren - also you saying what technicals the McLaren had and all is completely irrelevant since everyone had that
MP4/5 1989 for me. Incredibly iconic and the car that defined Formula 1 for decades.
The 93' was by far the best looking one. Then again the 93'-94' F1 cars were easily the best looking ones in my opinion.
Yeah... The cars were so beautiful back then, simple design and had a flow to it
I prefer the John Player Special Lotus colours, but in terms of the design I much prefer the early 90s designs. The engine cover just looked squashed on the turbo-era cars. I would love to see what a MP4/6 or a Ferrari 641 would look like in them colours, plus a screaming V12 engine in the back.
Oh man I really laughed when you initially put the Williams at the bottom.. I think even Ayrton Senna would have agreed. He worked wonders in that car in qualifying though. Thanks for a great video!
In a few days rank the Gilles Villeneuve cars ; , or If you say Senna, 1st you,ll think of is Prost (and vice versa), so a prost car ranking (1980-1993 (maybe the mclarens of 95-96 (Prost did a lot of work in them with testing (because Hakkinen was injured )
As the cars of Senna i would say, the 94 at the bottom, car was very hard to handle, and unpredictable (also Hill had a suspension failure that year )
The FW16 isn’t “the car” that killed Senna. Ultimately, it was a modification to the car, not the design of the car itself, that was responsible for his accident. Coulthard, Hill, and Mansell came back to take the WCC for Williams in the same car.
Well sorta.. The design of the car is what caused the modifications to be made in the first place that ended up leading to that fatal accident because of one of the latest & poorest modifications of them all.. But I do agree, it was a modification that had killed him tho..
Interesting debate. I think the MP4/5 is one of the best looking cars ever.
Because its the mp4/4 with an airbox and a v10,really good looking car
Good video, but it's kinda weird to rank Senna's cars when so much of Senna's career was defined by how much he transcended the machinery...
Lmao the car matters no matter who's driving it, a slow car is a slow car and a fast car's a fast car
Stop worshiping him. The car is as important as a good driver is.
@Zeronality Ues so do Prost when outperforming the McLaren in his Ferrari that handle like trucks
I would say 1993 was Sennas best ever season.
He was brilliant all year round and other worldly in a number of the races that year.
World class
5:09 right now Kevin you're not agreeing with us so we are not considering your arguments
Also this list includes the best looking F1 cars of all time
My pick the MP4/5
Senna was only behind Schumacher in 92 due to reliability problems. In fact he was several positions ahead of Schumacher in most races he had to retire, just look it up to see I'm right. In 93 he was consistently ahead of Schumacher.
still finished ahead of Senna and that is what counts !
toleman tg184 higher than 98T? Senna lost the title fight in '86 only after running out of fuel in Portugal, and I think 98T is better than 99T, in '87 British gp his 99T finished full lap behind the Williams with the same Honda engine, and in '87 he never looked as title contender.
Not the same Honda engine. One spec behind (RA166 99t vs RA167 FW11B). Lotus 100t (Piquet) had the very same engine of the McLaren 4/4 in 1988 (RA168). But I totally agree it's nosense the TG184 higher than the 98t.
You guys are smart enough to know the difference between FW16 and FW16B. Newey admitted the 16A was ill handling. It's aero mounting was based on the rightheight latitude of an active car while it was passively sprung. There is no doubt the FW16 was the worst of the cars. It wasn't even normal.
The ‘84 Toleman was actually getting better throughout the season. For the last race at Estoril Senna qualified 3rd and his teammate for that race Johansson qualified 7th.
My ranking of Senna’s cars:
12. TG183B
11. FW16 (original spec.)
10. 99T
9. TG184
8. MP4/7A
7. 98T
6. MP4/5B
5. 97T
4. MP4/6
3. MP4/8
2. MP4/5
1. MP4/4
Anniversary of Roland's death brings out a senna tribute. Well done
yeah pretty stupid, people only care about senna
What do you expect from Autosport? It isn't what it was...
Rating Roland's F1 cars would have been a very short video.
@@PayasYouListen Doesn't matter. Should of still payed at least some form of tribute to him.
This is what happens in the age of clickbait....details get glossed over such as Ratzenberger's horrific crash.
Its amazing how people cant see that Senna achieved what he achieved pretty much in 6 seasons, seeing as he drove 4 season for mind to lower grid teams, Hamilton hasnt driven one season in a less then 1st or 2nd best car. Had 6 years more and more races per season , cant win by a lap in the wet and despite infinite more aids wouldnt dare drive a wet race in slicks.
So because he has closer competition and wont willingly make his life harder by driving on slicks hes a worse driver? Ok
You clearly weren't watching in 2009 😂
2007: very close, but second best car
2008: second best car
2009: ninth best car at the beginning of the season, fourth best car by the end
2010: third best car
2011: second best car, miles behind RBR
2012: close second fastest car, but terribly unreliable
2013: close second fastest car in quali, but fourth best in race trim
2014: dominant car
2015: dominant car
2016: dominant car
2017: close but marginally best car
2018: close but second best car
2019: dominant car in the first third of the season; close but marginally best car in the other two-thirds
2020: dominant car
2021: close but second best car as of round 14
A bit unfair to compare F1 in the 80s to today. Expecting modern drivers to win by a lap today is ridiculous. The 80s had teams like Life F1 and much more cars than today. The gap between teams was far greater too, something a lot of people would say is an improvement. You really want drivers winning by a lap? If we are going to judge drivers based on that Fangio far outranks Senna given races were won by minutes in those days.
You are expecting drivers today to do things totally unrealistic. You think someone would actually drive on a wet track on slicks? No aids are going to overcome the sheer lack of grip. And even then, Hamilton has done something similar in Spa 08, where he stayed on drys in rainy conditions and won. He won by a lap at silverstone in 08, a year where TC was banned. Senna had driver aids at Donnington, so by your own logic Senna loses out. Has he had the best car most of his career? Yes. Did Fangio? Yes. But think you should ask why he is in those cars in the first place. Not even Senna won a championship without having the best car.
I think Steven Nichols is right, some of you ignore stats or facts that dampen his performances because he died young in a racing car. Prost won more titles and won the 88 championship if normal rules applied. But you willingly ignore those facts because it damages your bias.
shut up !
In reverse order, my order:
12 Toleman TG183B
11 Toleman TG184
10 Lotus 99T
9 McLaren MP4-7A
8 Lotus 97T
7 Williams FW16(A)
6 Lotus 98T
5 McLaren MP4-5B
4 McLaren MP4-8
3 McLaren MP4-6
2 McLaren MP4-5(A)
1 McLaren MP4-4
Good content! Please do the same for Mansell & Prost, when you can!
saying the Williams he driven in 1994 as the worst is weird. It was in a different league to the opposition, comparing a Toleman to the back, who would say the Williams had the same gap in.1994 to a rear gunner?
My list from best to worst (overall car season specs):
Mclaren 88
Mclaren 90
Mclaren 89
Williams 94
Mclaren 91
Mclaren 93
Lotus 86
Lotus 85
Lotus 87
Mclaren 92
Toleman 84
Toleman 83
Why insist on this antics? Senna is a motorsport legend, he will always be remembered, regardless of the years that pass. The vast majority of motorsport fans have nothing to say about Roland, he was a rookie, so they only talk about Senna. Roland will always be remembered in F1 for the tragic accident, but never at Senna's level. One has to learn to separate that. Other drivers died in the same season in F1 and do not have this clowning.
Rest in peace Senna and Ratzenberger.
I think that's a pretty solid list to be honest.
That rothmans livery was gorgeous though.
You also can do a Senna team mate ranking ;)
1.Prost (Senna,s equal
2.Hakkinen (faster in his 1st Qualify )
3.de Angelis (shame they werent teammates in 86, consistent, and beated Mansell at Lotus)
4. Gerhard Berger (sometimes a match , learned Senna to relax a bit more )
5. Andretti ( couldnt adapt in f1 but had a few good races
6 Cecotto
7. Nakajima (average driver, debut season
8. Dumfries ( ok had some bad luck , but otherwise what did he do in f1 ? )
I feel some one is missing ..
Well, Damon Hill, so I guess you're being sarcastic? I don't know why you'd leave him off the list.
Stefan Johansson and Damon Hill are missing. And I think Berger was way better than de Angelis. Senna destroyed de Angelis in 1985 he was a boring driver, both his wins were lucky ones. Berger had great moments and had a good year in 1992 as Senna's team mate.
Oh yeah... stupid me... Damon Hill strange isnt it... Just like his dad, carried the team after his team mate and the best driver at that point dies.... (maybe the same reason (both tyre/suspension related)... about Damon I,m putting him 3rd... he did a good job in 94... (only about 94 )
I'd switch Berger and De Angelis due to 1992 and 7 more wins, but an excellent list overall.
@MEGATRON They had the same car ,and Senna was slightly favoured.
Mp4/8 is a very underated car technically. The engine was about 80 hp down on the Renault.
Wow, you brought daniil kvyat and ed sheeran
Poor analysis of theWilliams, for as flawed as it was. If it wasn’t for Benetton cheating and having an all time great driver in Schumacher - Senna would have had 3 poles and won every race in that car. Senna lapped the entire field (bar Schumacher) in the one Gp he did, Brazil, before spinning out
Prix Champion agreed very poor
No there was still instability
Do you really think Senna would spin out if it was a good car? What about the lil incident at Imola?? That took he´s bloody life with FIA covering Williams untill today about the flaws of this magnificent car. Give me a break.
The best car driven by Senna is McLaren MP4/4
The Lotus 98T is my favorite F1 car of all time, so seeign it so low makes me sad. But again, maybe just me.
The '92 car was still a very good car, best of the rest - it's just that the Williams was _so_ far ahead.
im just soooooo surprised Schumacher outperformed him in a worse car no less! shame we didnt get 94 to settle the score
@@clicheguevara9917 Well, Schumacher scored more points, but Senna had more wins and retirements. When the Williams cars were there to be pushed(by their misfortune or otherwise), more often than not, it was Senna giving them the hassle. See Monaco, Hungary, Germany, Italy, Adelaide.
The Benneton >
Senna was only behind Schumacher in 92 due to reliability problems. In fact he was several positions ahead of Schumacher in most races he had to retire, just look it up to see I'm right. In 93 he was consistently ahead of Schumacher.
Berger had his best season in it.😂 He was only a point behind Senna. I think the Austrian did enough 90-91 to help the team win Constructors; but in 1992 he was negotiating with Ferrari.
Can you also do this for Button, the Rosbergs, the Hills, and the current trio Räikönnen, Vettel and Hamilton?
It's going to be difficult to decide which car is the best when they do Lewis Hamilton's best F1 cars.
My vote goes to either the 2014 or 2018 Mercedes cars.
Not the 2018 one for sure. Ferrari had the faster car at the first half of the season and remained competitive throughout. It was only Vettel's constant mistakes which denied them the title. The 2016 Mercedes won 19 out of 21 races and was in a class of its own. The 2015 Mercedes managed a record 12 1-2 finishes. Hamilton's own record for most laps led in a year was in 2015 with 587 laps led, second best is 2016 with 566 laps led.
@@yewisemountaingoat528Ah, okay I see your point. The reason I put it there is because Ferrari gave it everything in the first part of the season and still lost the title through mistakes. I guess the 2008 McLaren could be a better contender since it got him his first world title?
PizzaFaceBoye 2019 car number 1
2020 Merc was probably the best one they ever made tho
The FW16 higher up and ‘87 Lotus lower. The Williams was flawed technically and unsafe but it would’ve gave Senna the championship. Was Benetton cheating by the way? Making the Williams seem slower? For the lotus the active suspension didn’t work. No poles for Senna and two wins where the car shone. So don’t be blinded by its tech it’s the car Senna had enough of at Lotus. Basically equal to the ‘86 lotus
Jordie Evans it was a handful to handle. But it was developed well enough to take Hill to 2nd. Even Schumacher said Senna would have won it had he lived. It had the speed as the season progressed
The only GP driven by Senna, Schumacher and Hill in 1994, it was the Brazilian GP - Senna LAPPED Hill, who was 1.6 sec SLOWER than himself in the previous year with the FW15c. But Senna managed to equal Prost's time from the previous year. That's his merit.
The MP4/6 should be second (let's be honest, nothing is going to displace the 4/4 from top) simply because it was the last REAL racing car to win the F1 world championship.....normally aspirated 3.5 litre V12, manual gearbox and no active suspension or other electronic wizardry. And as for the Williams FW16 getting such poor results......well, you'd almost think it was competing against an illegal car......oh, hang on a minute....
We need this ‘rating legends f1 cars’ more often pleeeeease
I have no doubt, if Senna had lived, he would've scored many points, and would've won many races in the Williams FW16. If he had lived, he would've ended up driving the B-spec Williams FW16, which was introduced about mid-season. Remember, just before his unfortunate demise, Senna was appointed as the head of the board for the Grand Prix Drivers' Association The ultimate aim was improving safety in Formula 1, and I'm Senna would've pushed for that, as he did have discussions on his final day about reforming the GPDA, to improve the safety in F1, which did end up happening.
Had he survived, he would've been the Head of the GPDA, and also would've ended up racing through the rule and regulation changes, and most likely would've pushed Schumacher to the championship.
Throwing apart the emotional side, there is no way to put the Williams FW16 that low on the leaderboard. The car got 3 out of 3 poles, was obviously fast. It got faster and easier to drive over the season, but from the beginning the car was fast. Those Lotus never had a chance of winning a championship by any means
Actually the 1985 Lotus had a chance of winning the championship. Nobody led more laps than Senna that season. Senna led 271 laps in 1985, world champion Prost led 178 laps, 2nd in championship Alboreto only led 98 laps. The Lotus 97T was fast enough to have 8 pole positions in 1985 (7 by Senna, 1 by De Angelis). You're saying the car got 3 out of 3 poles, but what about Lotus's 8 poles in 1985 when McLaren only had 2, Williams 3 and Ferrari 1? If Senna led 271 laps in 1985 (more than anybody else) then the car was obviously fast enough to be a winner. So why didn't he win the 1985 title? Well, there's the issue of reliability...
Part of this was actually Senna's fault since he went flat out to win and the turbo era had fast but fragile cars. An example of him pushing too hard would be Imola 1985 which he led commandingly for the first 56 laps. With four laps to go he ran out of fuel. The next race was Monaco. Senna started from pole and led the first 17 laps, then he retired with engine problems.
Fact is Senna scored 0 points in the 9 next races following his win in Portugal. Senna led the British GP the first 59 laps but got a fuel injection problem and retired with 6 more laps to go. He had also been a steady third in the Brazilian GP, the first race of the season but retired with electric problems. Had Senna just finished at Imola, Monaco and Silverstone he would have been 1985 world champion. Senna managed 8 poles in the 1986 Lotus but he raced 198 laps less than Prost and Piquet so reliability still plagued him and Lotus.
"Those Lotus never had a chance of winning a championship by any means." Unless you really meant *Toleman* there's no way to call the 1985 and 1986 Lotuses uncompetitive.
Oh@@yewisemountaingoat528 how very wise you are 😉
Senna o melhor piloto que o Brasil já teve.
Do a similar programme on the Merceds AMG cars. The most dominant period by any manufacturer in the history of F1. Any half decent driver would have won a championship in those cars from 2014.
MP4/4 All Day
The cars those days were only weighed down by the G of the driver's balls!
What a wonderful interesting and thoughtful video! Helped me get rid of a sore head by being so engaging :) ♥
The list was perfect until you started to make changes. Putting that Toleman better than the Lotus 98T is not reasonable at all, in 1986 Senna was leading the championship with this car, against the great FW11 of Mansell and Piquet + the McLarens of Prost and Rosberg. As well Senna was in the game for the WC until the end, with this car.
I'd put his '88 McLaren and his '91 Mclaren at the top with the '94 Williams at the bottom.
How did a less talented-if still great- Damon Hill nearly win WDC in it?
I think the MP4/6 deserves the top spot.
The MP4/4 regardless of its success is more a car attributed to both Senna, Prost and the entire McLaren team than Senna himself. The MP4/6 is Senna's car and was where he reached the peak of his powers, as a man as well as a driver. He had to deal with the rising Williams too. And personally I think of that car when I think of senna more than the MP4/4. The MP4/4 is the whole of mclaren, not just Senna.
I totally agree with the list, the 97t is my personal favorite 😅♥️😍
Same I love the 97t
Kev. You're rating Senna's CARS, not Senna's CAREER. Rate the cars on their merit alone, not what Senna did within them.
I’d put the MP4/5 up top, he took 13 poles and 6 wins, the most poles and second most races won in a season by Senna
The mp4/8 with a lambo stuck in it would have been interesting to see at the end of 93
“If its a championship winning car your team mate cant get a win in it must mean you are dragging something out of that car”
*Looks at 2018 Mercedes*
I agree with most of that but the Williams has got to be in amongst the Lotii at the very minimum, if not higher. Other posters have given a myriad of reasons as to why so I wont repeat them. Still enjoy these lists though
We need more of thease
Testament to his genius that he put that Williams FW16 on pole
The Williams had more power, on top of having a more sophisticated suspension, that's why 93 was difficult for him
For me, going on emotion......Top is '93 McLaren MP4/8, bottom is '94 Williams FW16
The Williams should have been higher from what hill did in that Senna would have been awesome to see in it for the whole season.
FW16 was a good car, second on the grid on the few races Senna drove it. And it was quick, you cant have a 100% pole rate (3/3) on a slow machine. Even with its flaws and with the fact he died on that machine, it deserves a higher place
Ye I really have to agree on that....I mean I do get 100% why some ppl just want to hate that car, because without question it was the technical failure of that car that ended up getting Senna killed and he never scored a point in it (although in Aida it wasnt because of technical failure but because he had collision at the start with Mika Häkkinen I believe) but you have to look at how good pace it had and after all, before the B-spec of the car came in French, Damon Hill still managed to win a race in it and take two 2nd places...
So while it was unreliable and aerodynamically unstable even according to Newey himself, it was still good enough to take poles and even wins, though whether that was more thanks to that raw power of Renault engine is another debate. Either way I would personally still rate it atleast above 1987 Lotus, perhaps even above the two other Lotus cars as well, but ofc I could rate it well under all the Mclaren cars he drove. FW16B is completely another matter, but ofc that B-spec of a car he never got to drive unfortunately. Overall even FW16 though was faster than any other car besides Benetton and if we rate purely based on that, it doesnt indeed deserve to be that low.
FW16 was way better than ranked here. Only reason the Benetton was remotely close was because they were using traction and launch control. Take those away and put the FW16 and B194 on equal terms and Senna dominates on cruise control.
No he doesnt. At the beginning of the season the car had an aero flaw resulting in a lack of rear grip. Senna managed to wrestle it to pole.
It will forever be remembered as the car which he died in, most likely the result of a botched backyard engineering job to the steering shaft.
I would put it dead last as well.
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Its the Mp4/6 for me, his last championship car and its damn pretty
25 YEARS OF ARYTON SENNA
You spelled the name right...
Cant wait for Maldonado special.
Agree about most of these except the williams
Even on the day of his death, he was first....no more.
The fact Benetton definitely used an active suspension and traction control ruined Senna’s life technically, he was more pressured as he wasn’t even contending due to the 3 unlucky dnf’s
You almost lost me by even debating the top of the list. The rules were the same for everyone. The MP4/4 was totally dominant. It blew away the competition. In my opinion it is the best Formula 1 car ever, not only the best Senna car.
I’m not aware of any F1 car that performed as well as the ‘88 McLaren did, missing out on only what win at Monza. Not much of a contest really...
Which car did senna 'marry'.
Their is also a car whose gearbox says 'just us' with each shift.
Also his real autograph features two letters or numbers.
Can anyone help....
I aggre with the distaste of the 1994 williams, for it being the car Senna died in.
Sadly what killed him was the safety car period that lowered tyre pressure to such an extend that his car understeered in tamburello and he never could make it turn again while braking, all that happening in half a second...
The cause might have been also the steering column breaking, but that will be never known.
@@beeveli right, but it was never determined if the stering column broke before or during the crash. When you see what happens in our days when tyres are cold, just imagine what it was like 25 years ago...
The FW16 was a gorgeous looking car but was a terrible car.
That’s a solid list
He was so good along with Roland.
What Senna did in 94 with that Williams was other worldly. Hamilton was given a bad car in 2022 and floats around in p7 but when Ayrton got a crap car in 94 he still put it on pole each race and kept his teammate in the shade so greater than hamilton easily.
willams was still the fastest car !
@@19megamustaine85 not for the early races when Ayrton drove it. Just look at where his team mate qualified.
The 1993 McLaren was the only car that Senna drove that had traction control is that right ?
Surely the FW16 has to be bottom? No points, a big step back from last season, and killed him.
On the other hand if we take into account that Damon Hill managed to win a race with that (and Im talking about the original spec of FW16 here not the B-spec) and two 2nd positions, as well as the pole positions Senna took, you really have to ask yourself does it objectively deserve to be ranked even below the Tolemans? Yes sure, it was the car that got him killed, but then again you could argue that if there had been tyre wall in Tamborello, that he would have walked out of it, just like Barichello did after his Friday's crash. Also the reason he didnt finish the raice in Aida/Pacific GP was NOT because of car failure, but because of the crash he had at the start with Mika Häkkinen. Ofc we dont know whether or not the car would have failed him later in the race, but like said in those first 3 races, Hill atleast managed to finish 2nd and 6th in Imola so he atleast took some points with that car.
But I do understand where you are coming from and why ppl hate that car, for obvious reasons. I would still say that more than the car, I blame the safety standards of F1 tracks at the time more, because like said I truly believe that if there had been tyre wall in Tamburello, that he would have walked out of it as the car's front end (including right front tyre that hit his head along with its suspension) would have sunked into the tyre barrier instead of hitting him in the head.
And im honestly fucking tyred of hearing arguments against tyre barrier there because in ALL modern F1 tracks there would be tyre barrier in that kind of fast corner....one might have been able to drive it flatout without problems and thus thinking there was no need for tyre barrier or that there was risk that in case of crash tyres from that barrier would bounce to the track, or that there would have been bit less of runoff area, but I say those are all utterly senseless excuses for me. There should have been tyre barrier in that corner without any question if you ask me.
@@Balnazzardi to me they're all ifs, buts and maybes. He didn't score a point in the car and then it killed him, to me I can't really think of a way a car could be worse. He picked up points in the Tolemans and when he did crash them he walked away from the wreckage. I'd argue it ceases to be Senna's car the moment it killed him, so any results after than I wouldn't bring into the debate cause they're not relevant
If Senna didn't drive so called FW16B, what's the point of doing this video. How difficult to drive FW16 was? The car might be the cause of his death. That had to be the worst car. You guys are talking about cars, but say the engine is a separate thing. Does a car include an engine, tire? Funny logic and rationale.
Rank Alonso's Cars next
They have?
mclaren honda = not even on the board lol ...
@@russ18uk only the worst
@@ThaDutchDK1989 yeah, probably since they already ranked them
Russ They only did the 5 lowest
Ayrton would of won the championship in 94 if he wasn't killed.
Talk about Mclaren fan boys, those Lotus all deserve to be up a few notches
Lotus 99T lower and FW16 higher, then it would be an almost perfect list.
Senna has been fought for the 86 championship by Lotus 98 and your guys put it on behind 93 car MP4/8, are you kidding ?
Brilliant!
Senna said the 98T was the best car he had ever driven.
with that car it was lightning.. 8 consecutives pole
I do not agree with you completely (I am only going to count one model for each year):
1.) McLaren MP-4 (1988)
2.) McLaren MP-5 (1989)
3.) McLaren-MP- 6 (1990)
4.) McLaren-MP- 7 (1991) almost equal to
5.) Williams (1994)
6.) McLaren MP-9 (1993)
7.) McLaren MP-8 (1992)
8.) Lotus 1986
9.) Lotus 1987
10.) Lotus 1985
11.) Toleman (1984)
Also because you forgot the vice title for Hill, as well as the podiums for Mansell and Coulthard as well
What a bunch of dorks... they talk about irrelevant factors such as "Senna wanted to move to Williams .. or Senna was demotivated .. Senna Crashed into Prost in this car"... instead of actual issues related to the car.... technical innovation and factual data (poles, wins, and f-laps).. also looks is an important factor
Agree except the 94 Williams cant be that low. Good show- adios Ayrton RIP
Where can I get these car magnets??