Ice Age: Why Has it Gotten Worse? (Part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2017
- Let's take a look at the third Ice Age film, Dawn of the Dinosaurs, to explore how and why this series keeps getting worse. This video is part 2 in a series, so stay posted for more Ice Age videos!
Watch Part 1 Here: • Ice Age: Why Has it Go...
This is an episode of Secondhand Sequels, the show where we examine sequels to animated films that don't quite live up to the standards set by their predecessors.
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You've made a good case for the idea of making the Mother T. rex as the object of Buck's revenge. But if it was to go that way I can see a Buck-only spinoff where they could reuse Rudy as a new antagonist for him to face off against.
Thanks for watching, and I appreciate your thoughts! I could definitely see a character like Rudy being used in another story as well if they decided to go that way. Definitely makes you think about how the stories could have been better with a few small changes!
It could've been interesting for him to hear trex and agree to join because he thinks she is the one. But then, after he learns his lesson, make it come to the point of him realizing it was a different trex, unnamed and unknown, that has that actual missing tooth. This could be well justified using the flashback since it's a dark stormy night and he could've mistaken momma trex for any trex since it was his first day in that land of the dinosaurs.
I like your idea. But honestly I like to think Buck helped because he was bored.
I actually think Ice Age 3 is a very different movie from the first two and it works just as it is, it doesn't need to follow the same structure, it doesn't need character development in the same way, and Buck especially works just the way he's presented, and it's just a really fun and exciting ride that expands the universe of the franchise. I actually think this is the best one of the series or rivaling the first one.
I think 1 2 3 and 5 are the best 4 is ok but could be better
@@carterthegamer2194 I thought 4 and 5 were declining in quality, but still alright.
@@carterthegamer2194 How is 5 better??
they should have stopped making these movies after the 3rd one, it was the perfect ending for the franchise
@@TheAkwarium that’s cap
Ive always thought that Buck helped them because of how lonely he was.
After all, he did get married to a pineapple, a very ugly pineapple.
I mean, he looks like the only non prehistoric reptile there, so seeing some of his own kind might've made him excited
Lonely, and also bored lol
I think the Third film is a lot better than the second though, at least from a character standpoint. I wish you had touched on Diego here a little more, because he does have some kind of an arc in this movie. He feels out of touch with his predatory instincts, and leaves the herd because he feels like Manny won't want a predator around his daughter: Buck (whom I personally find super annoying) shows him the kind of adventurous life he wants to lead, but he sees how empty and alone it makes him inside (see that conversation between them when Buck is considering going to the surface). And when he defends Ellie in labour from the guanlongs he realises that maybe he does have some use around the baby. It's not perfect, but it's something. I really wish this movie had been the last in the series, it's such a nice book-ending when Ellie tells baby Peaches "Welcome to the Ice Age"
...Also I just noticed how stupidly big those dinosaurs are. A T-rex should only be about the height of a mammoth...wow
Honestly if you ask me, I think the fourth movie should've been the last movie of the series as while the third movie did finish up a sort of apology for Manny, the fourth one to me, was Manny accepting that apology, fighting for the lives of his family. Not wanting that life to leave him again.
Buck wasn't THAT annoying in DotD at all. CC is where he REALLY got on everybody's nerves.
I think you're looking for something that isn't there. Him finding Buck's lonely adventurous life alluring would have made sense had we not just seen him barely able to catch up with a gazelle because of how out of shape he's gotten with age. Diego's _old,_ not bored. And even disregarding all that, he barely gets any spotlight at all. He has his introductory scene, he says to Manny he wants to leave, then he makes a few lines along the way but they feel like script fodder, just to give him _anything_ to say, because Ice Age never lets go of characters past their expiration date-and then, finally, we see him learning to forget he's tired as he runs and... that's it. He's as pointless to the story as Crash and Eddie are.
At the same time, it's hard to get meaningful ways for your characters to evolve via when you have to split a 90-minute runtime between so many of them, and let's not forget just how much screentime Scrat stuff takes up. Rather ironic considering that his little love story is just about the best arc in the movie as it's not only a fresh take on the character two movies in the making, but it's one of the rare occasions where genuine development occurs almost entirely via slapstick.
I believe the dinosaurs are around the scale they should have been if the Mammoth characters were humans instead, but are probably a little large even then. Really makes the scene where they flintstone down the Brachiosaur(?) even more ludicrous.
Funnily enough, the Guanlong seem to randomly be about right-ish scale wise (depending on which Smilodon species Diego is) and you get outliers like Rudy and the Pachycephalosaurs who are ludicrously large even by these standards.
Yeah I don't like ice age 2 either. Eh eh. In fact, I couldn't agree much more here. Ice age 3 is WAY better than ice age 2. Better animation, interesting new characters, I love dinosaurs, good story telling, and I honestly think that ice age 3 would have been a perfect conclusion to the entire franchise. No need for ice age 4 nor ice age 5.
I would describe the Ice Age films like with the new spongebob episodes
I have an idea for a Crash and Eddie's character arc in Dawn of the Dinosaurs:
After Diego says goodbye to Sid, the latter tries to raise his own Herd before falling into the ice cave and finding the three dinosaur eggs. First, let's assume that instead of trying to create his own Herd, Sid was simply hanging out with Crash and Eddie while the three feel sad about Diego's departure as well as Manny and Ellie not spending time with them due to their upcoming baby. Then, after Sid landed in the cave, Crash and Eddie would remain on the surface and go after a vine to help their friend out, and when Sid left the cave, he would bring the three eggs together and explain his decision to the two possums to adopt them. Crash would love the idea immediately, and would beg Sid to let him help raise the babies, which Sid would accept, while Eddie would be more reluctant, but would agree to help Sid and Crash raise the babies, but only until they manage to find their real mother. Then, when Momma Dino showed up to pick up her children, while all the animals run from hee, Crash and Eddie would go to Sid in the mini-cave to convince him to return the babies to their real mother. Then, when Momma took off the rock of the shelter and dropped it when she saw her children, which would fall right into Crash's tail, trapping him while he pleads Sid and Eddie for help, and Eddie would procceed to try to free Crash while simultaneously trying to convince Sid to return the babies, the same way Manny and Sid did in the real version. Momma Dino would then try to pick up them all, as the two possums would also be partially responsible for her children's disappear, but Sid would save Crash and Eddie by pushing them out of the way, simultaneously releasing the tail of the former. Crash and Eddie would then play dead to escape Mama Dino like possums do, as they would need to be free to save Sid. She would convince herself that they are dead, and walk back to the Dino World with Sid and her babies, unaware that Crash and Eddie would be with following. However, soon they would both pass out from exhaustion, as the T-Rex would prove too fast for them, and when they woke up, they would be found by Manny and Ellie, and the quartet would follow Momma Dino's footsteps together. Also, supposing that her stupid joke that they initially tried to leave Sid behind until Ellie called them out didn't exist in the movie (it might even be for comical purposes, but only horrible friends would do such a thing), they would be the first ones to enter the cave.
Addiotionally, Crash would be the one to "trick" the brachiosaurus into helping the gang escape the ankylosaurus instead of Ellie as a rare example of his intelligence, while the others would be completely frozen out of fear until Crash calls them to climp on the brachiosaurus. Also, although the two would be both impressed by Buck's skills, Crash would be the one to actually idolize the weasel, while Eddie would be more skeptical towards the Buck, harboring an opinion of the one-eyed weasel similar to Manny's. However, unlike the mammoth, Eddie would realize right away that Buck is the team's only chance of survival in the hidden land of the Dinos, and he would actually be the one who would ask for Buck's help instead of Ellie, albeit he would do so with some reluctance, still not finding it a good idea to get too involved with the weasel. That said, he would be as impressed as Crash, Diego and Ellie by Buck's story of his first battle with Rudy, and unlike Manny at first, Eddie would actually believe in Rudy's existence.
Oh, and one more thing: they would join the final battle along with Buck and the main trio, while Ellie stay in the cave to protect new-born Peaches. Speaking of which, what about if in the final battle, Momma Dino is the one who save Buck at the last minute from being eaten by Rudy instead of Diego. Then an epic fight between the two dinosaurs would begin while Buck, Manny, Sid, Diego, Crash and Eddie work together to reach a high outer rim of the cave, where the sextet separately shoot down eight groups of large orange flowers to knock rocks down on Rudy's head. After the group manages to distract Rudy with all the falling rocks, Momma would knocks Rudy off a cliff, and the rest of the movie would be just like it is.
I like how you've given them distinct personalities, I hate how in the actual movies they're basically the same character
@@jwjustjwgddoes anyone remember the fifth ice age movie the one that everyone trashed in the internet because I think the fifth one is very fucking haliours like granny sids grandmother is so fucking funny in this one like anamaited movies are very funny now adays and are really good like hell kubg fu panda 4 ecerybody loved that movie on the internet right that movies good
You know, I think the main reason people don't like Cars 2 is because there's no internal journey, and people don't like Brave because there's no external journey. Which is fine, but not what Pixar does.
Cars 2 definitely lacks a substantive internal journey, which I think is jarring in the Pixar lineup because that's often what they do best. Good observation! They kind of tried to have Mater deal with feeling like the "fool" and gaining a sense of self, but I think part of what makes Mater an appealing character in the first film is his strong sense of self, naivety, and oblivion, which makes this attempt in Cars 2 feel dishonest.
Story Laboratory I could write an entire essay about why Cars 2 bothers me, then go weep internally about a certain weaponised Gulfstream jet voiced by Jason Isaacs who's in the movie for maybe five minutes. I keep re-evaluating my opinion on Cars 2, and my current opinion is that there's plenty good in it... in the background or subtext.
Cars 1 also has no external journey. And one guy said Lightning didn't develop, and included Cars 3 in a list blanket-criticising several Pixar movies on the day it was released.
Haha! I didn't realize Jason Isaacs had a role in the movie. After looking it up, he apparently voiced two characters in Cars 2! One of them is an associate of Agent Finn that appears near the beginning. I think there are some pieces that have potential, but they just mix together in a strange way.
Mind if I self-promote my re-review of Cars 2?
Diego in the 3rd movie mentions about leaving the herd and being a loner which is kinda what buck is in the movie until the main characters shows up and during the movie we see buck talking to himself in front of the group to imply that he's lonely.
That could’ve been a motivation too. Which would’ve gone with the series’ themes of family. If Buck was lonely and wanted to join their herd. And/or get revenge on Rudy. But then Buck doesn’t join the herd at the end. And goes back to the dinosaur world to get revenge on Rudy.
How the HELL did Rudy fit in that cave without destroying the entrance?? That's my biggest question; he absolutely DECIMATES the entrance when he gets up, but how did the cave go unscathed... and how did he physically FIT? lmao
Why didn't you mentioned Scrat and Scratte in Ice Age 3 ?
Because that sub plot is crap
@@carealoo744 Unless he says its crap , leave your opinons out
@@NicholasRSims But... it's objectively crap. Scatte just makes Scrat's life even more hell than it already was and it's just so hard to watch
@@carealoo744 But unless he says it its only crap in your eyes
@@NicholasRSims So this guy gets to be the decision maker? Why?
Why is this channel on 548 sub???? I was watching the video thinking this guy had tens of thousands!
Speaking of kids not minding things as much, I specifically remember The BFG being the first story I genuinely disliked. The ending felt so anticlimactic.
I'm also making a video where I critique the storytelling of several video games, in a similar style to this channel, and it made me realise: in video games, you can get away with bad writing to an extent as long as the gameplay is solid. The most common example of this is having a passive plank of wood for a protagonist, who's supposed to represent the player.
I actually haven't read the book or seen the recent movie for The BFG, but I'm interested in checking it out. Storytelling in video games is a very interesting topic! I think storytelling is definitely not given as much priority as much as it should, with some exceptions of course. Would love to see story given more weight for games!
In a video game, the only thing a story _has_ to do is justify what you're doing. While there's nothing wrong with having a complex story in a video game, they're fine without them.
Basically the bfg weapons from doom eternal lol
I liked 3 before than 2 tbh.
But buck in the 3rf movie does mention that he's alone
Make a video on how to write a book that’ll be good!!! ^^
You called Collision Course "Continental Drift".
The fourth film (next in line) is "Continental Drift" and the fifth film is "Collision Course." I had to double check while I was preparing for this episode to make sure i had it right - all of the "C" words makes it a bit confusing! Haha.
Luigi Marinus 2 I haven't heard an official announcement, but that would be interesting!
There is a ICE AGE tv show coming soon to DISNEY PLUS and also Now DISNEY owns 20th Century Fox and BLUE SKY STUDIOS they need to make
1. SPIES IN DISGUISE 2🤵
2. Rio 3🦜🐓🦉🦅🕊️🐦🏝️
3. a SCRAT spin-off movie🐿️ and there are rumors for a ICE AGE tv show and a Rio tv show coming soon to DISNEY PLUS and here my opinion about all the ice age films (1-5)
1. ICE AGE(-2002) awesome
2. ICE AGE 2 THE MELTDOWN (-2006) Amazing
3. ICE AGE 3 DAWN OF THE DINOSAURS (-2009) great
4. ICE AGE 4 CONTINENTAL DRIFT (-2012) meh, ok, and alright
5. ICE AGE 5(-2016) awful and bad
They should put the ICE AGE ROLLER COASTER from 20th CENTURY FOX WORLD Malaysia and they should put it in DISNEY CALIFORNIA ADVENTURE replacing PARIDISE PARK not Pixar Pier the PARIDISE PARK area has GOOFY'S SKY SCHOOL and 3 other attractions like the 2 swings rides and jump'in Jellyfish🐘🐅💚🎢🏔️🗻⛰️🐢using the same ride vehicles use on CRUSH'S TURTLE COASTER in DISNEYLAND PARIS and they should put it in Disneyland Paris, Hong Kong Disneyland, and Tokyo
All of the Ice Age films were great in my opinion except the 5th film is awful but after ice Age 4 thats when everything started to suck
Dawn of the Dinosaurs is overrated trash, with a filler garbage plot and crappy writing and characters
Ok they us no.filler garage plot nor crappy writing Dawn of the Dinosaurs was the peak of Ice Age like Shrek 2 and Toy Story 3 it had the best sequel character Buck. Its inky movies 4 , 5 and 6 that are crappy filler
@@NicholasRSims no it wasn’t.
@@RJIS yes it was your just bitter over something and taking your anger out on Ice Age 3.
@@NicholasRSims you’re bitter over me not liking a bad movie
@@RJIS it's not a bad movie it was the perfect peak for the Ice Age franchise as it concluded it perfectly.