Ice Age: Why Has it Gotten Worse? (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Let's take a look at the first two Ice Age films to find out what's so appealing about the first film and how the franchise started to go downhill in the second. This video is part 1 in a series, so stay posted for more Ice Age videos!
Watch Part 2 here: • Ice Age: Why Has it Go...
This is an episode of Secondhand Sequels, the show where we examine sequels to animated films that don't quite live up to the standards set by their predecessors.
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I’m gonna be honest, the first ice age felt like a genuine film trying to tell a story about how a lonely mammoth, an arrogant sabertooth,and a idiot sloth had to take care of a human baby. What I’m trying to say essentially is it does not feel like a cash grab.
A three-part commentary on the 'Ice Age' sequels?
*Cancels all plans, grabs popcorn*
I really liked the first two. I thought their stories made sense for the time period as well, still keeping us within the realm of reality. Third one was meh, still alright, ill watch it. But the fourth one I feel is where they really started to mess up. They started focusing on scrat way too much, basically making him a main character. And the whole creation of the continents and solar system? Thats way out of the realm of reality that the first two were in.
He was literally the main reason the plot conflicts of 4 and 5 happened, and I'll never understand why they would do that. In fact his scenes in 5 are the weakest in the franchise, because he's in space the entire time and most of them are just reused from the short that preceded The Peanuts Movie and acted as a trailer for the film.
Indeed, the 4th film really started to make things worse and make it feel like a completely different world than the first 2. It was just too wacky, unrealistic, and idiotic.
I like all the the ice age movie but hated the 5th movie
What if there is a cult that belives in scrat as god and says he did historical events both good and bad.
I love the first movie, the second one... umm not that much like the first movie but it was ok, and the third movie was also pretty fun to watch and i thought that the group finally having baby peaches was a great way to end the ice age trilogy. But... then we get the fourth movie, ok i'll admit, i do see the 4th movie as a guilty pleasure, it's not good like the first three movies but i do like some parts of the 4th movie. And then the 5th movie..... ugh... now that one was just dumb...
it's just sad how blue sky prefers to make more ice age movies instead of working on different movies, i honestly want them to make a sequel to robots, which is a very good but unfairly underrated movie.
This deserves more views! Great work.
Thanks so much! Appreciate the support and encouragement.
Woah fancy seeing you here
What about the scene where it shows Ellie lost her parents and was adopted by the possums? I would consider that a feel moment o3o
Yeah, too bad mostly no one in the Ice Age fandom gave a crap about it since they only focus on hating Crash and Eddie and on the bad aspects of the Ice Age sequels
@@nickytembo4112 yeah .3.
I've seen an argument in another video saying how Ellie's flashback wasn't as effective as the cave scene in the first movie, because we have already assumed that she was adopted by possums, while the cave scene revealed for the first time what happened to Manny's family.
@@garrettdonovan8238 Actually I didn’t think about either of those things but it makes sense
In the newer movie it actually went more in depth about Ellie’s past and it was a feels moment-
The video is called "Why Ice Age isn't cool anymore" and it hits a lot of the same points as this series does in more detail.
I would consider that scene to be a feel moment too, but there less moments like that in the second movie than there are in the first, and the tone is much siller.
Definitely should have stopped after the third one imo.
I don’t know about anyone else but in my opinion, the ending of Ice Age 3 did provide some sort of sense of closure even if the movie wasn’t as good.
Having coincidentally watched all 5 of these movies over the last couple weeks, I think the main reason for decline was them not only milking the franchise, but also the direction and just plain running out of ideas. The first one was directed by Chris Wedge, then the second and third by Carlos Saldanha, then they got different directors from then on, and it shows. These films also follow a similar formula that makes them feel samey, and they rely a lot more on jokes in the later films.
The first film was the best because it had more to tell than the others. Other films slowly added more characters and their stories that it didnt left much time for the main plot. You see, I saw the first movie when I was a child and from then on, I would sit and watch it again anywhere I was, anytime it was, and it continues till now. I grew up with that animation, it tought me valuable life lessons, created many of my thinking algorithms which I still have and most essentially it showed me life. I didn't realize back then but I see it now. From the mothers death and from being found by Mandy and Sid i learned that life gives and takes. I saw that misfortune happens and there's no stopping. I learned kindness can change people. I actually learned how to make friends with other children. I understood the importance of taking responsibility. I longed to have a group of close friends even though i never was interested in others company. And I saw how family is important. Children understand_they can't tell or name it_the look in others eyes. I knew_as audience_that Mandy was the last of his kind and i saw the way he looked at those cave drawings later in the film. It felt aweful. To be alone.
I know many people say: kids? They're too dumb and immature to ubderstand these stuff.
But that's wrong. I know. They might not open it and talk about it like I did now. It all happens in their minds. Shaping their brain, the systems and thoughts. It might even remain with them for the rest of their lives.
I won't exaggerate. Many say I do when I say this animation made me make some of my decisions that I should make when Im 30 or 40. I don't. One of them is adopting. I saw the child lost his mother and parted from his father. He was lost and soon to meet death. Then Mandy and Sid showed up. The child found a family_not the same species as him but a family nevertheless_ and comforted Mandy who thought will never have one.
I said earlier that it taught me friendship. After they delivered the baby back to the tribe, there was no logical reason for any of them to stay together and yet they did, for a long time. Frienship is a strange bond, I can say even better and stronger that romantic love.
The first film was a masterpiece.
I will show this movie to my kids and not the shitty disney stuff that won't teach them nothing but being saved by some prince and fall in love and get married.
What about the antagonists like Soto in the first and the two sea creatures in the second ?
Loved Ice-Age 1 and 3. The first has a lot of tragic elements to it and the 3rd entry added Buck who has been one of my favorite characters, if not my favorite. And dinosaurs are cool.
This is my ranking for Ice Age:
ICE AGE 1: VERY AWESOME
ICE AGE 2: AMAZING
ICE AGE 3: VERY EXOTIC
ICE AGE 4: Kinda ok and average
ICE AGE 5: WORST AND BAD AND NOT GOOD
Ice Age 2 is the one I watched the most as a kid, mainly cause it feels the realist of the series (to me). 3 and 4 are fine as well, I would watch them if they were on TV, but 5 is the one that would turn me away.
i hate all of them
11:48 I actually really like that scene but I understand why it’s filler
Thank you man! i was looking for a little review of the aspects to the first movie, glad i found it. First one is too charming and make's me cry a little bit, it's well executed and have all of those components you mentioned here, a lot of movies these days are lacking of.
Actually, the mini sloth scene was about Sid getting some respect that he thought he deserved earlier on in the film. I found this out by listening to the commentary by the director. Even though the scene isn't amazing, it does have a purpose in the film. Also, as mentioned previously in the video, this film franchise is about comedy. The vulture food scene is very funny, in my opinion, and it is basically the Ice Age 2 equivalent of the montage in the first film. This one was experimented with further, and was more enjoyable than the Montage in the first film. Both scenes could be cut out without the story changing, but they are enjoyable to watch. If you took the song Montage out, the herd would get to the geysers seemingly really quickly, with nothing seemingly of note happening right before it. They shouldn't be able to get to the geysers immediately, so this scene is there. I'm not saying that this particular scene is necessary for this part of the film, but something there would be better than nothing.
Enjoyable is subjective, the fact that the scene is pointless is objective.
You said that Ellie delusion makes no sense, but what about that idea:
Let's suppose that if Crash and Eddie already knew all along that Ellie was a mammoth, but manipulated her into thinking she is a possum out of fear of losing their sister if she realizes the truth? Like, their mother raised Ellie and loved her as her own daughter, but she always feared that if Ellie discover that she is from a different species, she would no longer want to be part of the family. So she was always careful that Ellie never saw another mammoth so she wouldn’t notice the similarities and raised her like an opossum to make her think she was one. Let's suppose Crash and Eddie shared that fear, and after their mother passed away, they became Ellie's overprotective brothers, and would continue to do exactly what their mother did. They also wouldn’t like Manny at first because they would think he might hurt Ellie in some way and at first they would try to get him away from their sister, but then they would discover the Manny’s tragic past and all he went through, and they would begin to like him, finding him the right dude for their sister, and they would also realize the mistake they made in hiding the truth from Ellie, since they would have learned that the species does not define the family.
This way, do you think Ellie's delusion would make more sense?
Also, what if there were some differences between Crash and Eddie's personalities: for example, they are both mischievous, adventurous, protective, wise-cracking, fun, goofy, hyperactive, heroic, thoughtful, sneaky, cunning, playful, daring, caring and good-natured, but Crash is more lazy, naïve, imbecile, sensitive, gullible, insecure, shy, innocent, clumsy, laid-back, relaxed, impulsive, occasionally irresponsible and resourceful, while Eddie is intelligent, responsible, somewhat bossy, optimistic, serious, hardworking, fearless, talkative, no-nonsense, easily frustrated, cranky, stubborn and sarcastic, which would cause the two of them to argue time and time again, mostly due to Crash being a fun-loving, mischievous prankster who is sometimes irresponsible and forgets to think before he acts while Eddie tends to be serious and with a strong sense of responsibility, to the point that he is sometimes accused of not knowing how to have fun (mainly by Sid and Crash), causing their personalities to clash. Even so, they would never separate for long, and soon enough, their brother/best friend bond would be tightened once again. Also, while Eddie would be domineering and often would get into squabbles with Crash over his more laid back manner, at times, he would also let himself go and join Crash in some frivolity. Also, due to Crash's incompentence and bumbling, he would be more likely to became endangered, forcing Eddie to come to his rescue, who would be very protective of his brother, even though he would also usually punish Crash for his bundering often causing him nothing but headaches, as well as causing them both misfortune.
That sounds so much better than what we got
Today I remembered something I said in my Cars review I made last year, and realised more about it: both Robots and Cars 2 feel like the writers were so busy creating concept art that they almost forgot to write a story. Think there's more to say about that feeling?
Interesting thought! I think it's definitely easy to get lost in the "idea" or "concept" so much that it leads to a neglect of the more intricate parts of storytelling, so I think that's worth thinking about for sure. Honestly, I feel that a lot when I watch lower budget animated short films, where there's a strong concept or premise, but that's about it. The much more difficult task is taking a premise to the next level.
I think blue sky studio in general is not really good at telling stories, but their animation is always beautiful and comfortable to watch, which makes their movies still good
well this video was surprisingly insightful into how to write a good story... thanks! i look forward to binge watching the next ones
I actually the diffrence between the two films is much simpler. In the first film the external and internal conflicts were inherently linked. Manny wouldn't be growing as a person if didn't go on the journey but he wouldn't be going this journey if he wasn't growing as a person. In the second movie manny would still need to get the boat even if ellie wasn't there and even oce was melting you could still hear two meet in a different way. This disconnect makes the conflict fell feel more less impactful.
About that two scenes on the meltdown
The vulture song is my favourite thing in this franchise
And the mini sloths are secretly relevant, on a book it!s revealed that they ate Cretaceous and Maelstrom ( the aquatic reptiles)
RIP Blue Sky Studios
You deserve more views and subscribers
This just feels like an English lesson lmao
Educational content about storytelling? Sounds about right! :)
@@StoryLaboratory pls make more videos, we miss u
Well done. Seems you are the only one doing videos on this franchise (in contrast to how many make videos on disney or pixar features anyway)
I liked the first three, but 1 was the best because it had an interesting story with three different animals travelling to return a baby to its kind was very interesting and fun.
Wow you are growing big 650 views on 1 day I totally agree with you. Keep up the great work
Thank you, Robert! Glad you enjoyed this one, and thanks for the encouraging words!
Great video! Very educational and clarifying!
Very good video analysis!
I myself was thinking about good and enjoyable the first 2 Ice Age films were, and while I liked the 3rd film, I did feel by that point it got a little too cartoony and less realistic. And TV Tropes has clarified that yeah, starting in the third Ice Age, the series was getting wacky and too silly.
By the time I heard about the 4th film, I had no intention of seeing it. I knew based on the trailers and plot description alone, that the gags had gotten so silly and stupid, that it seemed like it was a different word entirely.
Oh, and I remember going to see Kung Fu Panda 3 in theaters in February 2016, and one of the trailers was for IA 5. At that moment, I facepalmed (literally) and knew how stupid and inferior it would be.
In short, I have not seen Ice Age 4 and 5, and have no plan to. For me, the Ice Age films ended with 3, and 4 and 5 are best left forgotten and treated as if they don't exist.
Really good and interesting video!
I love ur video so much please make more I can see u can be success RUclipsr
they should have kept the drama and stuck to a more realistic concept ...sure the UFO in the first meme feels oddly realistic
Yes, I so agree. I love IA1 for being such a, as I call it, "grounded prehistoric fantasy." The other movies, starting even as early as Meltdown, just devolve into comedic slapstick despite IA1 being a drama/comedy, with Manny and Diego's arcs and growth tied deeply to their relationship with humans/humans hunting them, and their growing bond with baby Roshan. All I wanted was for the other sequels to follow in a similar vein - dramedic with clear stakes becos of the human presence and getting to see Roshan reunite with his herd godfathers again in the future - and they didn't. :'(
Scrat is my favorite character of Ice Age. Ice Age 1, 2, and 3 are better than Ice Age 4 and 5.
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Timothy Reviews thank you! Welcome to the lab rat pack!
Dawn if dinosaurs and meltdown were best to me. I love, but dont like first movie because it made me cry. And also because of 2 legged barbarians in that.
What are u talking about? I loved all the Ice Age movies!
I loved all 5 of them. 🥺
Why did you show "certified fresh" symbols for all of the Rotten Tomatoes scores?
I was looking for a general Rotten Tomatoes logo to use alongside the percentages, but overlooked the fact that it said "certified fresh." I only realized this after the video was uploaded. Ha! Oh well.
Should have only been one movie.
Apparently the humans are no longer alive in the sequels.
Monsters inc + shrek = ice age
Woody and buzz lightyear 4:17
Love the first 3 dont like the 4 and 5
Am I the only one who thinks Ice Age 2 is the best movie in the series?
There are making a ICE AGE tv show coming soon to DISNEY PLUS and also Now DISNEY owns 20th Century Fox and BLUE SKY STUDIOS they need to make
1. SPIES IN DISGUISE 2🤵
2. Rio 3🦜🐓🦉🦅🕊️🐦🏝️
3. a SCRAT spin-off movie🐿️ and there are rumors for a ICE AGE tv show and a Rio tv show coming soon to DISNEY PLUS and here my opinion about all the ice age films (1-5)
1. ICE AGE(-2002) awesome
2. ICE AGE 2 THE MELTDOWN (-2006) Amazing
3. ICE AGE 3 DAWN OF THE DINOSAURS (-2009) great
4. ICE AGE 4 CONTINENTAL DRIFT (-2012) meh, ok, and alright
5. ICE AGE 5(-2016) awful and bad
They should put the ICE AGE ROLLER COASTER from 20th CENTURY FOX WORLD Malaysia and they should put it in DISNEY CALIFORNIA ADVENTURE replacing PARIDISE PARK not Pixar Pier the PARIDISE PARK area has GOOFY'S SKY SCHOOL and 3 other attractions like the 2 swings rides and jump'in Jellyfish🐘🐅💚🎢🏔️🗻⛰️🐢using the same ride vehicles use on CRUSH'S TURTLE COASTER in DISNEYLAND PARIS and they should put it in Disneyland Paris, Hong Kong Disneyland, and Tokyo
Whos watching this in 2023 (blue sky studios is shut down by Disney)
Ice age 5 was the best
your a dumb kid
Seriously speaking, someone who hasn't watched the earlier ice age movies may possibly like this one.
@@swinger9374 That's possible, yeah. But then the film expects you to remember all these characters and certain events in the franchise, so it's super hard to tell whether it's good for newcomers or not
He's entitled to his opinion, but I for one think the first movie is the best.
arthur Morgan no it's not! Grow up!
I hate the first movie tbh. I would rank any of the others higher because of the computer generated graphics of the first movie. I like all of them but the first one. I think it has a stupid plot line compared to the following films. Where the others are humorous, charming, witty, and more importantly family-oriented with intro to Elli, Crash, Eddy, Buck, and Julian. First is udder shit.
You're crazy. The first one was the best