Personally, I don't think that space suit would allow to get on the bike like this. Scooter, step-through frame or side seat seems like a more feasible solution. Considering there is no atmosphere, there is no need to lean forward on the handlebars, straight seating position will be necessary, especially considering the weight of a space suit. Also, the frame seems to be constructed from too many different lengths of tubing, which will make it harder to assemble and repair. All vertical areas should be made capable to carry load or a passenger(s). Utility is the main aim for this vehicle. And one more note, "mud" flaps will be essential due to the fine dust. Even Apollo 17 crew had to bodge a fender from maps and duct tape. The tiny ones in the design don't look sufficient. This is all based on statements in the video, as utility, weight and function will have priority over aesthetics.
kilograms are not gravity dependent. bike will still be 134kg, but the force pulling it down to ground will be less. the unit you are looking for are newtons, not kilograms.
@@stopstalkingyouspookybastard yeah, but mass is a good way for people to understand weight. N dont really let anyone unfamiliar with physics understand the change in force.
Cool design. I am sure they designed it with Regolith or lunar dust in mind as it is quite problematic... ... during the Apollo missions, lunar dust was the biggest operational concern for the astronauts. Within a few days of exposure to it, their spacesuits suffered from obscured visors, clogged mechanisms, and erosion in the layers of their suits. This arises from the peculiar nature of lunar regolith, which is jagged, extremely fine, and electrostatically charged (which is what makes it to stick to surfaces). Lunar regolith is also hazardous to machines, as demonstrated by China’s Yutu-1 rover, which became immobilized on the surface during its second day of operations
Nice to see the channel expanding its horizons, very fresh perspective. For the bike design I envisioned it having spherical wheels for better manoeuvrability around the uneven lunar terrain.
I don't understand why it needs break lights. I would put more lights front and back and even sides. I also think wheels should be round like a motorcycle plus paddles too like they have on Icelandic off-roads which climb up volcanic ashy hills
Safety is one of the reasons. You my think that 9 miles an hour is not that fast. But if I am traveling behind you, and you had to do an emergency stop. I want to know. 🤣
This is another great review, Frank. That is a nice looking, and very interesting Moon Bike. I have seen some other single swing-arm Bike concepts like this before. However, it seems they only look good on one side, where both rims are visible. Nevertheless, many years ago I saw another single swing-arm bike with a staggered setup. Both front & back single swing-arms were facing opposite directions. This made both sides of the Bike photogenic in pictures. On the left side the front rims looked good, and on the right side the rear rims looked good. It appeared visually balanced that way.
Frank, any chance you can do your top 3 on every major design atelier ( Pininfarina, Zagato, Italdesign, Bertone, Ghia, ect). That would be awesome watch. Thank you !!! Love your channel !!
they should also make a normal cycle maybe with wider tires. Imagine an astronaut doing bunny hops on moon, massive jumps over moon hills, man that would be funny.
Dear Frank, Can you make an episode devoted to Shoes! Guys have seen you wearing some cool stuff. That'd be great to have your take on the topic. Best Regards!
Just wanted to say thank you Frank, for your amazing channel! Really really cool episode, once again! You are doing god's work ❤ Thoughts on the design: looks great! but given the cost of bringing that thing up there, wouldn't it be possible to built that thing even lighter, even more minimalistic? I mean you only have like a fraction of the gravity and only go slow, so you wouldn't need the stability of a superbike, right? and aren't some of the edges a bit sharp, given that any damage to the space suit is some kind of death sentence? only an uneducated guess, I have probably seen too many scifi movies lol
I agree, for whichever their reasoning may be, I can't figure out why it would be that "heavy". I mean of course 130ish kgs is not heavy by street standards, but a simple dual sport bike will be just as light (or lighter), have a lot of carrying capacity, have far better range AND much more power. So what is it really that takes up this much weight, if the wheels indeed are carbonfibre based and they don't have to structurally rigidify it for road use with Earth's gravity. There is hardly even any grip and you won't be throwing it around corners like you're in a race, so something is indeed a bit questionable here. I reckon the frame itself could be made much more minimal still, as well as the swingarm solutions that are implemented. This, imo, should never exceed 100 kg, preferably it should sit around 80kg - unless there is some specific requirement that demands the size and rigidity of the bike to be exactly this way. But no matter how you look at it, 130 kg is way too high and unnecessary with the technologies we have today. If you spend 10 million developing manufacturing processes that can shave off 30 kg, you have already saved 20 million all combined, with a potential 20 million more to be saved if design and construction is min/maxed properly. Regardless, a part of this story is that the designer himself didn't at first plan to put his work into production, but he was contacted by the company who asked if he wanted to collaborate and create a real life concept based on his design. So this should no matter what be viewed as a very early stage alpha prototype intended to display the idea, not the final product.
It's cool but I have to ask why though? A quad or a buggy just seems to make more sense. More traction, more storage and more passengers. I love bikes but falling of on the moon and cracking your lid is a death sentence.
I think riding on 2 wheels in such a high risk environment would not be approved for launch. Something in the shape of a step-through scooter, but with 4 wheels would be much more stable.
I would think there is a limited use case for a two wheeled lunar vehicle. Also the risk of falling and damaging your space suit on sharp lunar rocks makes it prohibitive. Just as with scuba diving there should always be a buddy rule when venturing off from the main lunar habitat.
Frank, why don't you make centrally steered cars? Same as MacLaren F1? Wouldn't it be better for a super car? It would be nice for you to make a video explaining about it. Ps: I'm Brazilian so I'm still learning English, sorry if I made any spelling mistakes 😅
Nice video! Here are my thoughts: 1) Batteries are not a good solution since electricity is also produced with coal and nuclear. Hydrogen would make more sense 2) They added a taillight as a habit, but for real, I don’t think it’s useful on the moon
Sigh..., hydrogen combustion engines are extremely heavy, and hydrogen electric motors are just electric with extra steps, so put that machinery for those extra steps at the base camp and convert hydrogen into electric energy at the base camp itself to save weight and use batteries in the bike. A better way would be to just use solar.
Sir, I am a 15 year old automotive design enthusiast and want to become a designer in future. Ive been watching you for a long time now and would love to get a feedback from you on a couple of my sketches. Is there any way I could send you my sketches? thank you.
5:41 Just an idea.. what if they had two of the bikes... and a foldout "bed" to go in between.. could turn two , two wheeled vehicles into one truck like four wheeled vehicle. just an idea
I think is just a fantasy styling exercise for an out-of-this-world motorcycle.In terms of styling, if the frame is made out of carbon, why do you need to recall a trellis frame if carbon gives you endless possibilities for styling? Hoping on and off this bike with a clumsy suit doesn't seem very easy nor practical either. The battery pack is what takes most room on an e-motorcycle, I would expect the battery technology by then to have evolved in such a way that their real state is minimal.
Casually at says I’m designing racing cars for the moon WHAT, WHAT, WHAT? That’s a bombshell to leave us with. Who, how, when is this happening what’s that all about? Or have you or I consumed something hallucinogenic and I imagined that?
this "lunar" bike is sure looks cool, but did they think that moon surface are made of asphalt? no visible shock absorber, and forward riding position? i know it's a concept, but.. a useless concept??
Looks cool but also looks very unnecessarily uncomfortable, even on earth, how would a person with a full space suit sit on that I'm not sure, a scooter type of a design will be more useable
Me and the bois drag racing on the moon
Personally, I don't think that space suit would allow to get on the bike like this. Scooter, step-through frame or side seat seems like a more feasible solution.
Considering there is no atmosphere, there is no need to lean forward on the handlebars, straight seating position will be necessary, especially considering the weight of a space suit.
Also, the frame seems to be constructed from too many different lengths of tubing, which will make it harder to assemble and repair.
All vertical areas should be made capable to carry load or a passenger(s). Utility is the main aim for this vehicle.
And one more note, "mud" flaps will be essential due to the fine dust. Even Apollo 17 crew had to bodge a fender from maps and duct tape. The tiny ones in the design don't look sufficient.
This is all based on statements in the video, as utility, weight and function will have priority over aesthetics.
About going up the wall of a crater, the mass of the bike may be 134 kg, but the weight of the bike on the moon will only be ~22 kg!
22kg I've built Ebikes that weigh more than that. A lot more in some cases.
kilograms are not gravity dependent. bike will still be 134kg, but the force pulling it down to ground will be less. the unit you are looking for are newtons, not kilograms.
@@stopstalkingyouspookybastard yeah, but mass is a good way for people to understand weight. N dont really let anyone unfamiliar with physics understand the change in force.
@@stopstalkingyouspookybastard, а кто это тут у нас такой зануда и душнила?
Cool design. I am sure they designed it with Regolith or lunar dust in mind as it is quite problematic...
... during the Apollo missions, lunar dust was the biggest operational concern for the astronauts. Within a few days of exposure to it, their spacesuits suffered from obscured visors, clogged mechanisms, and erosion in the layers of their suits. This arises from the peculiar nature of lunar regolith, which is jagged, extremely fine, and electrostatically charged (which is what makes it to stick to surfaces). Lunar regolith is also hazardous to machines, as demonstrated by China’s Yutu-1 rover, which became immobilized on the surface during its second day of operations
Thanks a lot, Frank! Awesome review of our Tardigrade.
Nice to see the channel expanding its horizons, very fresh perspective.
For the bike design I envisioned it having spherical wheels for better manoeuvrability around the uneven lunar terrain.
Frank Stephenson needs to go on John Michael Godier’s Show Event Horizon to talk moon rover design.
A VERY CLEAVER DESIGN.....PRACTICAL FOR MOON MISSIONS.........THANKS MR FRANK FOR THIS UPDATE.
I don't understand why it needs break lights. I would put more lights front and back and even sides. I also think wheels should be round like a motorcycle plus paddles too like they have on Icelandic off-roads which climb up volcanic ashy hills
Safety is one of the reasons. You my think that 9 miles an hour is not that fast. But if I am traveling behind you, and you had to do an emergency stop. I want to know. 🤣
@@rickyt11 I didn't know they had traffic jams in space. I Might need to claim space insurance for you rear ending me
Yeah if this becomes a thing then there's no saying they'll only send one. If you're following then you want to know when your mate plans on stopping.
Wow people actually trying to debate you.
I concur: let's think about designing crafts that operate on other planets, or in the upper atmosphere or underwater. Enough cars!!!
Hells Angels Moon chapter incoming.
Thank you for allowing us to stretch our creative muscles in to areas I had not considered before.
There is something almost Café Racer about this design, it's so interesting!
This is another great review, Frank. That is a nice looking, and very interesting Moon Bike. I have seen some other single swing-arm Bike concepts like this before. However, it seems they only look good on one side, where both rims are visible. Nevertheless, many years ago I saw another single swing-arm bike with a staggered setup. Both front & back single swing-arms were facing opposite directions. This made both sides of the Bike photogenic in pictures. On the left side the front rims looked good, and on the right side the rear rims looked good. It appeared visually balanced that way.
Modular would be great. Attach two side by side.
The design is by Andrew Fabishevsky
I love the Lunar racing cars
Absolutely stunning and unique content! Appreciate you job pretty much, mr. Stephenson.
Could anyone tell me what's the music starting at 7:00?Thanks!
Yes! More bike content. Frank Stephenson reviews Eicma show bikes?
Sure Namas. ruclips.net/video/xOFs9-vtrVo/видео.html
The four wheeled moon buggies looks like the cars from the game GRIP!
Such a good looking design .
Frank, any chance you can do your top 3 on every major design atelier ( Pininfarina, Zagato, Italdesign, Bertone, Ghia, ect). That would be awesome watch. Thank you !!! Love your channel !!
I can tell you for the Bertone it would probably be the Stratos, Montreal, and Countach
@@stoneylonesome4062 can’t argue with your pics
they should also make a normal cycle maybe with wider tires. Imagine an astronaut doing bunny hops on moon, massive jumps over moon hills, man that would be funny.
i just realised, you and Uncle Bob from Clean Code look very much alike
is this the signature look of great work and wisdom?
9mph? damn we're really cracking speed records
... on the moon
Dear Frank,
Can you make an episode devoted to Shoes! Guys have seen you wearing some cool stuff. That'd be great to have your take on the topic.
Best Regards!
the video editor always out does himself
Just wanted to say thank you Frank, for your amazing channel! Really really cool episode, once again! You are doing god's work ❤
Thoughts on the design: looks great! but given the cost of bringing that thing up there, wouldn't it be possible to built that thing even lighter, even more minimalistic? I mean you only have like a fraction of the gravity and only go slow, so you wouldn't need the stability of a superbike, right? and aren't some of the edges a bit sharp, given that any damage to the space suit is some kind of death sentence? only an uneducated guess, I have probably seen too many scifi movies lol
I agree, for whichever their reasoning may be, I can't figure out why it would be that "heavy". I mean of course 130ish kgs is not heavy by street standards, but a simple dual sport bike will be just as light (or lighter), have a lot of carrying capacity, have far better range AND much more power. So what is it really that takes up this much weight, if the wheels indeed are carbonfibre based and they don't have to structurally rigidify it for road use with Earth's gravity. There is hardly even any grip and you won't be throwing it around corners like you're in a race, so something is indeed a bit questionable here.
I reckon the frame itself could be made much more minimal still, as well as the swingarm solutions that are implemented. This, imo, should never exceed 100 kg, preferably it should sit around 80kg - unless there is some specific requirement that demands the size and rigidity of the bike to be exactly this way. But no matter how you look at it, 130 kg is way too high and unnecessary with the technologies we have today.
If you spend 10 million developing manufacturing processes that can shave off 30 kg, you have already saved 20 million all combined, with a potential 20 million more to be saved if design and construction is min/maxed properly.
Regardless, a part of this story is that the designer himself didn't at first plan to put his work into production, but he was contacted by the company who asked if he wanted to collaborate and create a real life concept based on his design. So this should no matter what be viewed as a very early stage alpha prototype intended to display the idea, not the final product.
I'm curious what Frank thinks of the bike design in Death Stranding. Almost has this same modular look to it.
exactly!!!!!! 💯👆Hideo Kojima already solved the problem of the "Lunar cargo carrier vehicles category"
the dog scared the sht out of me lo, great video lolr
Your profession is the coolest ever! #SALUTE
It's cool but I have to ask why though? A quad or a buggy just seems to make more sense. More traction, more storage and more passengers. I love bikes but falling of on the moon and cracking your lid is a death sentence.
Next, we have to get the food/air/water/heat/shelter thing sorted out.
I think riding on 2 wheels in such a high risk environment would not be approved for launch. Something in the shape of a step-through scooter, but with 4 wheels would be much more stable.
It looks like it needs some soft suspension for such off-roading.
I would think there is a limited use case for a two wheeled lunar vehicle. Also the risk of falling and damaging your space suit on sharp lunar rocks makes it prohibitive. Just as with scuba diving there should always be a buddy rule when venturing off from the main lunar habitat.
what?! cars are gonna race on the moon?
According to designers, yes. But designers think this motorcycle idea is great, so I wouldn't trust them 😂😂
Frank, why don't you make centrally steered cars? Same as MacLaren F1? Wouldn't it be better for a super car? It would be nice for you to make a video explaining about it.
Ps: I'm Brazilian so I'm still learning English, sorry if I made any spelling mistakes 😅
how come i was expecting a Tesla pickup vid...^^
NASA should produce and sell cars looking like Mars rovers, just on Earth
Moral of the story: you don’t need to sacrifice function for form.
Nice video! Here are my thoughts:
1) Batteries are not a good solution since electricity is also produced with coal and nuclear. Hydrogen would make more sense
2) They added a taillight as a habit, but for real, I don’t think it’s useful on the moon
It’s the moon, solar works, same with nuclear.
Sigh..., hydrogen combustion engines are extremely heavy, and hydrogen electric motors are just electric with extra steps, so put that machinery for those extra steps at the base camp and convert hydrogen into electric energy at the base camp itself to save weight and use batteries in the bike. A better way would be to just use solar.
@@ritwikreddy5670 why would you use hydrogen combustion in a vacuum?
Hey Frank! I would love to see you design an airplane or analyse one.
Check out the Bugatti 100P Hugo.
@@FrankStephensondesign Wow. Thats one unique plane. Reminds me of the H-1
Sir, I am a 15 year old automotive design enthusiast and want to become a designer in future. Ive been watching you for a long time now and would love to get a feedback from you on a couple of my sketches. Is there any way I could send you my sketches?
thank you.
Sure Shivansh…critiques@frankstephenson.com
Is there a name for this minimal high contrast utilitarian style of design? It’s my favorite style and it’s become very popular lately.
5:41 Just an idea.. what if they had two of the bikes... and a foldout "bed" to go in between.. could turn two , two wheeled vehicles into one truck like four wheeled vehicle. just an idea
I wish to meet the madlad that would be willing to ride a moon bike, this seems beyond dangerous, 7mph top speed or not
i wanna see a fast and furious scene where they jump off the moon with a motorcycle and fly to the earth.
What about star citzen space ships so how would they work in real life and just a idea for you to react to?
This comment needs more likes. I'd love to hear Frank's opinion on SC's ship design.
@@gerardmontgomery280 thanks
Please can you tell me where can I buy that panther statue that you usually have on your background
Sorry Ruggero, it is a one-off piece.
@@FrankStephensondesign thanks for responding anyway
I think is just a fantasy styling exercise for an out-of-this-world motorcycle.In terms of styling, if the frame is made out of carbon, why do you need to recall a trellis frame if carbon gives you endless possibilities for styling? Hoping on and off this bike with a clumsy suit doesn't seem very easy nor practical either. The battery pack is what takes most room on an e-motorcycle, I would expect the battery technology by then to have evolved in such a way that their real state is minimal.
Can you react to the design of the new BMW XM? Would love to see what you think of it and why you hate it.
Regards, a concerned BMW fan.
I really disliked the lights positioning. It is all looks no function. The front wheel blocks half of the iluminated path
On the rover they used bees wax to keep the electronics cool.
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Heyyyyy heyyy Frank… hey Franky heyyyyyyyy 🍊
What’s your take on the new audi e-tron s quattro?
Vav-va-voom-boom!
@@FrankStephensondesign I take that as a 'hell yeah'
Bruichladdich Octomore! What a great choice.
Is that 07.2?
Great eye David, yes it is. 🥃👍
nasa uses stone age technology
Casually at says I’m designing racing cars for the moon WHAT, WHAT, WHAT? That’s a bombshell to leave us with. Who, how, when is this happening what’s that all about? Or have you or I consumed something hallucinogenic and I imagined that?
The development stage is all going on behind the scenes right now Jeremy. 👍
Frank, I already saw astronauts on the moon riding a rover.
Or was this part of the conspiracy?
Just take the BMW XM lol
Why would it have brake lights? Whose following you on the moon...
Martians.
are you kidding me, this is sick
I get death stranding vibes
Why they need stop lights on Moon?🥴
Because the others ones following behind you should know you’re braking maybe?
Cant see much. Twin motor or drive shaft in the rear casing. Need weight/mass on the moon . Least motors wont work hard
this "lunar" bike is sure looks cool, but did they think that moon surface are made of asphalt? no visible shock absorber, and forward riding position? i know it's a concept, but.. a useless concept??
Looks cool but also looks very unnecessarily uncomfortable, even on earth, how would a person with a full space suit sit on that I'm not sure, a scooter type of a design will be more useable
The moon is plasma bros.
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No one is going to the moon.
Crap, its not possible to land on the moon.
Cant wait for more videos like this. I love furturistic/cyberpunk and concept designs for cars and noq for bikes too... a glimpse into the future.