Revisiting Attack On Titan's CONTROVERSIAL Ending In 2023 | HONEST REVIEW
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My biggest gripe with the ending is that Zeke died before telling us the secret to how he wipes his ass
I bet he uses the two seashells.
@@TequilaToothpickclassic method, armin approved
-1/10 ending. Cant believe they would leave that unsaid
The joke is that, he doesn't
Since Eren said to Armin that the Founder's influence makes the past, present and future exist all at once and mess up the mind, it would have been ideal to show more Eren's perspective. You can go many ways to deliver something impactful of what he's experiencing in his mind as the Founder.
Not having him as a reliable POV after the timeskip was a major mistake. Him being an unreliable narrator just makes things confusing and I get that Isayama wanted to keep some questions and mysteries around, but I think it was hard to wrap up because some of these things hadn't been properly set up from Eren's POV
I don't mind the ending tbh ive had a few years to come to terms with it
Its been a while since I read the last chapter, but I remember some things that made me dislike this ending:-
1. Even though Eren crying is a completely natural reaction, but having him be this edgy and mysterious and emotionless person who commits genocide, only to then suddenly be so emotional and be in love with Mikasa seemed so anti climatic. There was no buildup, Eren showed no romantic affection towards Mikasa the entire series.He mostly seemed annoyed by her overprotectiveness. And it doesn't help that we get too little of Eren's POV except for the Marley visit.
2. Historia's pregnancy was literally not relevant to the plot. I understand that it was so that Historia didn't have to inherit the beast titan. But it didn't matter because the story would have still worked if Zeke simply carried out his plan to turn the scouts into titans before they could arrange for historia to eat him.
By getting her pregnant not only doesn't an important character like Historia get removed from the story for the rest if the series, but as a reader I felt betrayed when this was ultimately of no relevance at all.
3. The fact that Ymir had the power to just erase all titans entirely is thr most frustrating part. Why was Eren killing everyone then? Maybe he didn't know Ymir can do that. But that doesn't help this is still the deus ex machina moment for thr scouts and marleyans.
PS:- Also Eren causing Dina to kill his mom is a very sh*ty reveal. It's like if Spiderman goes back in time to kill uncle Ben so that he can learn the lesson. A very simple fix would be to just not mention that. His mom died, as simple as that, why do we need to have Eren pull the strings here too.
Eren did not want historia to inherit any titan because he did not want her lifespan to be reduced and also to stop her from being used to continue the cycle of children eating her parents.
It is literally explained that Ymir was waiting for Mikasa to make a choice to kill Eren. Because she wanted someone to help her be free from her toxic relationship to the king
@@KafuKemeh No I know that and I get it. But...
1. I think Historia being pregnant seemed to be a big deal and there was no payoff to it. I wish there could have been any other way to prevent her from inheriting a Titan.
2. I also understood what Isayama was going for with Ymir. But again there was no buildup or foreshadowing to Ymir loving Fritz. One of the best parts about AOT used to be the foreshadowing.
But despite that, the fact that Ymir could just make all Titan go away was way too convenient. It was like the scene from Avengers where all chitauri simply die with the mothership.
@@subhamdas943
1)Historia was the one that suggested getting pregnant tho.
2) the ymir loving the king was foreshadowed in chapter 122 where ymir saw the king kissing a woman
@@subhamdas943yimir had no free will in the paths not to mention the only reason all the titans disappeared was because Yimir was finally free to leave the paths
Its not something she could allways do or she would have allready left the paths before the story even started
Thats why When Mikasa actions free'd Yimir she was finally able to leave
You seriously need to watch or read again if you miss out obivious points that are pretty much explained in the series. What do you want hisu to do as a side charcter to be relevant again?
Maybe Isayama-san didn't get to flesh out the why Eren broke down, why Ymir loved King Fritz. Maybe if he foreshadowed a bit more, it would have hit the mark.
If you needed that spelled out to you, then brother, good luck in middle school
@@Jackson-qi4rw Silence ChatGPT bot.
Here post anime. I feel like that’s exactly what happened in the final episode. The convo was more fleshed out. But Ymir’s love is still 🤢🤢🤢
Isayama tried to pull a lelouch here and failed terribly lol 🤣
Plz know what you are talking about
I think the problem a lot of people have with the ending is the fact that Eldia is attacked in the future due to Eren not completing 100% of the Rumbling. However, the author’s intent was to demonstrate that no matter what, humanity will always fight against each other. Hypothetically speaking, even if Eren did complete the Rumbiling and only Eldians exist, they would eventually find a reason to fight in a long enough timeline. The case that Eldians fighting Eldians is better than the world fighting Eldians makes no sense. At the end of the day, people will always fight people regardless of their shared or unshared blood/ancestry. The point of Attack on Titan is to show the viewers that humanity will always fight itself - whether it be by difference of race or not. The world is cruel and no Rumbiling could ever stop human hate from propagating itself again in the future. We can see it with our world today, there’s been two world wars already and the fighting still continues.
no, the problem is definitely the plot points besides the rumbling were so awfully written
@@nuhwannnunhow ?
Exactly people want a happy shonen type ending where everyone lives happy
Which plot points? Honestly the only thing I hate about the ending is everything mikasa does except killing eren, but mikasa has always ruined the manga/anime so didn't really matter that much to me
@@AM17titan That's my issue with it. This canon ending is the common anime "happy(ish)" ending. If Eren did destroy the world (even his friends), only for Eldians to eventually war among themselves.. thus definitively proving that the cycle of hatred is inescapable.. I feel this would be more impactful rather than the surviving cast getting they typical sendoffs and whatnot.
The biggest misconception about memories scene is that people think eren got war for paradise and war for Marley arc memories when he kissed historai’s hand which is outright completely wrong
And the other misconception is about eren’s character
When eren says he was the way as he was a kid
Why does people neglect the crying eren in
s3 why does people neglect the crying eren in ramzi scene
It’s as if people hated s1 - s3 eren so much that when s4 came they were so overjoyed and they basically missed out eren’s complete character
Eren couldn't see everything but he definitely saw moments of those two arcs. I think a compelling piece of evidence is eren trying to get Gabi to lure out intruders on the radio before he has any evidence of or even knows Marley would attack.
@@TLGGorillahe knew pieck was there because they found her tracks, and obviously she wouldn’t come alone. And he was completely surprised by the full attack my Marley.
It's important to note the glasses guy among the Yaegerists as he is going to carry out Shadis's will in ultimately defeating the Yaegerist volatile ideology.
I feel like the main reason why people don't like the ending is bc fans made incredible theories that seemed so likely, that by the end anything other than those endings felt like it fell short. I like the end, but man that war hammer titan theory ending would have been incredible
I never really liked that theory, it has a lot of logistical oversight. Someway some how the alliance and paradis missed this long ass cable that stretched across paradis, the ocean and Marley. Secondly him making contact with historias baby would take awhile after the rumbling stopped because eren would be stuck in a crystal which is healing his body and is back in shinganshina and we don't know the gap between him and Historia. There's no way they would put her so close to shinganshina let alone that far out from the shina.
Now there are ways this could have technical worked. 139 suggest based on the wording of eren that the founding titan can amplify or strengthen the power of whatever titan power is paired with it (before he had access to the founding titan, he could only see his future memories from previous Attack titan users that were sent those memories. Bit now he could see it all). Taking this into account, the Warhammer ability could be strengthened by no longer needing a cable attached and can be controlled remotely like a separate titan. So erens back on paradise, he is fully healed, breaks out and heads to historia while the alliance is still fighting the final titan. This could lead to that same ending without the alliance looking like blind idiots as well as having an almost fast reactivation of the rumbling. But that's just me being a devils advocate.
@@kurokamina8429you make a good point. My understanding was always that if not strengthened by the founding titan where it doesn't need a cable, the cable would be hidden either under ground/ water or under all of the destruction of the colossal titans. As for unbreaking the crystal to get himself out, eren undid all hardening when the walls broke so he now has that power along with being able to make titans and control them at will, and whatever else. What really made me like the thought of the theory though, was imagining zeke dieing, all of the titans stop their March and the alliance celebrates. and then out of nowhere...they begin again a destruction that can't be stopped due to Eren being all the way back at home making contact with either historia or the baby. The dread of that situation would just feel so right.
Exactly that is why
Ppl thought they know the story better then the author 😅
@@kurokamina8429waaa waaaa cry more
Ways they could make the ending better without aoe(based on what i came across on net)-
*more action sequences to make it intense
*Have eren's idwant that scene better executated.maybe have him say it with painful voice instead of whiny.
*Make them say ymir craved affection and mistook king fritz to be the one to give instead of her falling in love suddenly
*Explain the ymir-mikasa parallel better.and how ymir-fritz and eren-mikasa are parallel to each other.
*Explain the post rumbling world better.
*Extra pages: would be better if they cared to show how jean/Mikasa are together now(not gonna lie their dynamic is weird considering the fact that she still wears the scarf and all she does after eren's death is mourn beside his grave)
*Show mikasa's grave beside eren's grave.
*Show thag mystery kid in a haunting way(will leave fans speculating:maybe the titans won't come back as Mikasa Ackerman is beside eren titan power immune to Ackerman)
Mikasa doesn’t mourn beside his grave lol
That mikasa with jean and kid seeing eren is like a one time thing where you know people visit graves
Eren’s main point was that Dina was about to eat Bertholdt which would’ve drastically changed events, so instead he sent her into the wall to avoid eating Betholdt and the death of Carla was the consequence of that action, and he found out he was the cause and that’s why he was about to cry but Armin interrupted him to spare his friend having to talk about himself being the cause of his mothers death.
He stopped him because the writer knew how freaking stupid that was.
I think people don’t like that the series didn’t leave off with an inspiring ending. Something with hope that most series do.
I think it’s really wise to leave the ending more or less realistic. War will always happen.
And for me, the ending is just an amplification of Mikasa’s quote, “This world is cruel. It is also very beautiful.”
I can not wait to see the adjustments Isayama will make in the finale. I’m confident that the ending will still be a masterpiece.
The people typically mad about the ending wanted Eren to 100% rumbling and hate Mikasa and Armin. It's quite absurd their reasonings as what they suggest would ruin the entire series and would be out of character for Eren.
@@SeaTacticsChad Eden does exist but so does Beta Eren. They are one and the same and it’s not off for him to legit sob and cry when he doesn’t get his way. We’ve seen time and time again when he loses he cries.
He lost his life, his friends and his love. That’s a realistic reaction from someone who doesn’t want to lose what’s important to him.
Crazy that people just ignore all the meat of this dish and only want the mash potato to carry the series. Meaning just the action instead of the story.
@@rawsushiiiiifacts
@@datwee7576 are you calling the author delusional? That’s a new take
@@rawsushiiiiiI still hate that scene, but not for the reason Eren cries. I do love the fact that he should break down before his death. But I still can't get over the fact that instead of breaking down over Ramzi or not caring for the people like his mom he killed, he suddenly has a huge declaration of love for mikasa.
I'm like yo, priorities my guy.
Not saying he doesn't mention mikasa (even though I still think that romance was poorly developed at the end) at all but after you break down about literally committing genocide, you can then mention "oh yea mikasa, I'd clap them cheeks" lol
hey ! i love all your videos on AoT ! thank you for your hard work ! were did you get the colored pages you used here ? is it online or from a book? i know the "best of attack on titan in colored" books, but none of them have the last chapter. thanks in advance for the answer !
Some of them have
just type Aot coloured and it has all the coloured pages from the ‘war for Marley ‘ arc
thanks mate !@@AM17titan
Seatatics isnt pregnant but he always delivers
what😂
Ymir x king fritz is uncomfortable but Ymir is a slave to love
When she saw king fritz was kissing somebody there were like blue petals coming as we see in the anime (maybe it is wedding flowers thrown or maybe ….it is Ymir thinking that she loves king fritz )
I mean even after she got the titans powers instead of killing him she returned back to him
Like Ymir mikasa was a slave to love for eren she was the exact person who will do what Ymir did
She was having problems when eren was rumbling the world and was not fighting him
So when she killed eren ymir realised
I totally remember there being a moment where there is a alternative time line where eren and Mikasa walk away from the scouts and live in a cabin for his span as a shifter. . But maybe i should reread it. I just thought that part was my favorite
That was ch 138. He was just reviewing ch 139 and extra pages for ending.
I think the ending could have been much better tbh. Definitely a flawed ending. 5/10
Nobody who thinks it through says it ain't.
They would either give it a 10/10 or a 0/10
This is an amazing critique of the ending because it addresses the flaws that it has but still gives Isayama credit for what he did do despite how much backlash he’s received
I like the ending of attack on Titan but i understand why others don't injoy it.
I don’t understand them they believed eren is a different character
Is a chad and completely misinterpreted his entire character
@@AM17titanthis!
@@AM17titanthat’s not true at all . We all loved Eren because he had conviction and had his motivations to do what he had to do for the survival of his people. In the end his character got assassinated because he literally became a plot device for Ymir with no motivation to why he did rumbling.
@@boppinboyz
He saved his friends
His primary and only goal was to save his friends
what more do you need ?
*Of his people *
Eren never cared about paradise !
If you don’t understand this then you didnt understood eren’s character at all
He cared about the people (his friends ) living in paradise
@@AM17titan I’m tired of people like you saying “we didn’t understand the story” no we understood it just how it was written.
Did Jean get Mikasa, techically he never had the ending he deserve.
Eremikas shippers are blocking jean path to happiness they're all selfish
If he ends up with anybody it should be Pieck. Mikasa never becomes an ambassador and basically goes into seclusion in Shiganshina. Her contribution to the world ended when she was forced to kill the love of her life.
@@rebelfighter5249 mikasa bcz he love hee
I strongly believe that Paradise island was always doom, I just wish she included the ecological damage and the long-term droughts and rainstorms Paradise island will face. Knowing the effects of the Permian mass extinction, and the Cretaceous mass, extinction, the Rumbling purge so much ecological life and water that Paradise island Will be trapped in a rain shadow for many decades and by the time were the wildlife recover, mega mega storms will kick in and acid rain will fall. By the time of the Late Triassic, it rained for over 1 million years thanks to the permian mass extinction. It’s clear, Paradise island would be destroy regardless if it was a partial or full rumbling. Basically, Eren doom his friends regardless if they stop the rumbling and only prove that Eren should I follow his friends decision on a partial, rumbling, and specified, which military location should be destroyed while also stealing that same Technology. All I think that Eren simply exacerbated the problem to the point where regardless of what the survey scout done, Yeagerist Will be successful on reversing all goodwill and only full the hatred towards the New Eldian Empire which is justified because of both the Rumbling and the invasion and poor treatment by the Yeagerist, also, how trustworthy can a ultranationalist organization can be. They probably already (if the rumbling haven’t destroyed relationship) backstabbed Hizuru and Onyankopon’s homeland and enslave their people. Basically, Paradise island destined for destruction and Eren simply delay that destruction for around 10 years if we include mega droughts and mega storms like Hypercane, and if the climatic chaos never happen, only 100 years before the world have their justifiable revenge. Knowing human nature and being a Maya, the Rumbling and Survey corps saving the world does not change how the Paradise island is view upon the world, all it does is change the enemy from all Eldian to only Paradise island and further justified Eldian’s hatred to Paradise island while only justifying the Eldian Protection Group that Paradise should been destroyed alone time ago. Sorry but Attack on Titan was always meant to have a very depressing ending no matter what our heroes can do and only shows how past mistakes and hatred drive people into uncontrollable madness.
Eren never talked to Pieck because Eren never liked Pieck lol he had a personal relationship with the ones he spoke with off screen
The scene between Eren and Armin is before the rumbling, not after he gets defeated
I'm more focused on what happened after the Rumbling. Sadly, peoples never truly cared about it. And when I asked, they just said that there will be peoples crying there and there and pirates and bandits will roamed all places outside of Paradis. But that's just it. They never bothered to dive in any further than that. They never thought about what is going to happen next. Did the Second Eldian Empire expand by forming its own massive navy? How many Eldians came to live on Paradis and the other territories the new Eldian imperial government acquired? Are the Eldians outside of the Empire's territories still being treated badly? How much dreduced is racism against the Eldians? What became of Hizuru? Who is in charge of Marley now? Did Onyankopon's homeland regain independence? Whatever happened to the nations that formed the Mid-East Allied Forces? What led to the bombing of Shiganshina?
Also, there is a page on Reddit that said about how to give the win-win situation to both Paradis and the rest of the world. Would you like to check it out?
What do you mean who is in charge of Marley now? There is no more Marley other than the people at the fort. Most nations are gone and there is no way to persecute Eldians anymore because you can't tell. The only way they were able to tell before was rebellion and blood tests. Blood tests can't detect it anymore can connection to Ymir is gone and no rebellion against nations that don't exist. Eldians can sneak into every place on the planet and no one would have any idea.
Aoe should not clearly happen, i think the ending is so good but has its own flaws like you mentioned how some charachter's dialogs can be much better. One thing i believe is that the anime would make a change in certain dialog and small scenes as of mentioned
It has a dialogue
‘ Eren is a slave to freedom’
Tbh I think it is a perfect dialogue for eren’s character
@@AM17titan eren said that dialogue in the previous trailer
@@danielpark123yea that’s why I think anime is gonna make some changes
Not aoe
The ending will be same but better explained
@@AM17titan that's right that is why we should be more than ready for heartbreak
Isayama told the director to make it his own creation. So we will most likely get an AOE. At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t changed at all
Tbh the only parts that I didn’t like was the whole spinal parasite thing with Ymir and that eren had his mom killed it kinda cheapens what Dina said to grisha how she’ll find him no matter what she turn into I just feel like her words and wrens mom dying is less impactful due to eren planning it out
I still hate the ending. Eren deserved a better, more complex death.
Wdym complex death?😂
Give me a example of how you think eren should have died.
Remember? There was a foreshadow to Eren telling the Armin inn the end that "he's just an idiot who got his hands on great powers", this was foreshadowed more than one time when Reiner said on more than one occasion way back in the 2nd season that Eren is the last person on earth who should have the Founding Titan's powers. Eren was called a "Suicidal Maniac" so many times, he had this reputation of being reckless and self-destructive while wanting avenge his long lost loved ones. He always went head-on into trouble to solve problems, remember Grisha scolding him with words "this is not the way to do it, throwing caution to the wind, you survived by pure luck" with Eren saying : "I didn't know how else to save Mikasa".. I guess, Isayama knew where he was going with Eren's character all along, leading up to his breakdown and ugly crying towards the end. It was not shocking.
Eren killed his mom and 80% of the world to give paradise a fighting chance to become a nation to defend themselves….Good ending!
Did all that so he could f**k Mikasa 💀
Someone on Reddit told me that the official Translation for whar Armin said is rather like this: 'You really were a....' and 'thank you Eren. You became a mass murderer for our sake. I won't let that terrible mistake go to waste' which kinda changes the view on Armin, because he is not thanking Eren for becoming a mass murderer but instead judges him despite the fact that Eren did it for them. It may still be not perfect but it doesn't feel out of character for Armin - I'm not sure if it is true tho, I haven't checked the official translation yet
I love that in a show as dark as this, and all the cast members we've lost along the way; the "fans" still somehow COMPLETELY miss the message told throughout the entire show and cant even appreciate the remaining characters probably living out the rest of their lives as peaceful as they ever have. The exteneded Ending is just there to show the repeated mistakes of humanity, why do you care about Eldia at this point anyways? All your beloved characters children's children's children are all gone, it's literally just there for the message yet people still find a way to whine about it...
Bro you can still have a interesting massage and a bad execution at the same time?i think your the one who just ignored the flaws of the endings
Majority of AOT later messages are terribly written. The messages are incredibly basic without ever dwelling into the "why".
@@platnumbreaker I'll tell you what I told the other guy; back up your claim.
@@platnumbreaker Nah bro, it is about the cycle of violence, so it is automatically good.
@@gugugugu1300 How is that any different from the "cycle repeats"?
My father was abusive to my mother for 17 years. But she stayed with him. Out of love. But its difficult to understand cause how could you love an abuser.
Its a little stalkhome syndrome and a little sacrificial for a greater good (my life in my case)
I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you and your mother are doing better now. 💜
@@juneray8749 much better. I didn't clarify that her love was for me, Not my father. 12 years ago they broke up and it was for the best.
who asked bro the aot ending is still ass
@@m.3tamorphos1s cause that is the explanation to all of the anime. Why anything. To live. To love. Despite the harsh realities
@@m.3tamorphos1s if we don't fight, we can't live
I personally have a problem with the Jaegerists still being a thing post rumbling. To me, all the chapters leading to the finale painted them as not great because of how radical they were and how they were being just as bad as the Marleyans they hated, but then the last chapter shows them being not only in control but they're also being sort of celebrated? It just didn't make sense to me, especially if the post epilogue ending is the Earth getting destroyed anyways. Both of these things together just make it feel like a bummer but somehow our characters are celebrating it, which doesn't fit well. It would have made more sense if the military weren't Jaegerists considering the MCs literally just came back from defying them and killing their idol.
Yeah, I agree too. But I think it just convey that humans will always be at war with each other. Because like Eren even though he even the playing fields, Marley will remember Paradise as the ones who supported the devil that wiped out 80% of humanity. The same as Jaegerists preparing for an attack eventually. Just a constant cycle of war, unfortunately.
I mean a fanatical right wing political group gaining traction and power in the wake of a world war isn’t exactly unheard of.
Isayama like realism and it makes no sense for Paradis to NOT HAVE a jeagerist army just after the rumbling and after learning the outside world hated them and might seek revenge. Remember it's still fresh and those people were still trapped behind walls 3 years ago
People are scared and when people are scared they vote for extremist groups. They were popular before Eren's death so 3 years after his death, it makes no sense for them to disappear.
For me it's a warning for the viewers : if you let your fears takes controle, radicalization will follow.
Isayama chose the logical version. But he added Mr Braus Family in the crowd looking unhappy to show us the good people are not supporting the jeagerist
@@solesofwind9543 I see your point but I still feel like him choosing realism is at the expense of thematic coherence in my opinion. The Braus family are the only ones shown to be unhappy and other characters that we previously liked like Hitch and Historia are shown to not only be in support of the Jaegerists by the end, but Historia's letter also celebrates the "Fight fight fight" mentality in a way that to me feels like it's giving strength to that faction on a thematic level.
Like, I don't have a problem with the violence continuing. My problem is that it continues at the expense of the main themes which were to try and get the children out of the forest and strive for a better future by breaking the old cycles of revenge and constant fighting. The story goes out of its way to point out how Eren's character flaw that led to his downfall was his unwavering need to be fighting, so for that to be celebrated in the ending is antithetical to him being killed off. In the same way, the Braus family being shown not in support doesn't work enough of a negative endorsement of the Jaegerists for me, and instead just felt like the themes they represented had "lost". That's why I don't like it.
Isayama being realistic in that manner weakens his main themes, and I would have rather seen the island not be so polarized by the end, but still show a few characters being supporters of the Jaegerists. Not the entire country! Especially not when the tone of the finale is very positive and hopeful. It's very confusing to me and made it hard to understand what was going on. Then the post epilogue with everything being destroyed just made it somehow worse. Like, pick a lane. Do you wanna be hopeful and poetic or pessimistic? It's not THAT bad, but I still feel like its ambiguous in a not so intentional manner. Like, it's ambiguous because I'm getting conflicting information about what is being shown in a positive light, and not ambiguous because the tone is ambiguous and open ended.
Haven't seen the anime version yet, but I hope the directors made the tone more clear one way or another.
There are always going to be haters. Usually people who feel entitled to get what they want. Twitter people in other words.
"Eren killed his mother"
-In my understanding, Eren being all powerful, breaker of slavery and the worlds free-est man on earth.... Is somehow still a slave to fate. No one is truly free 🤷🏻♂️
"Eren being a cry baby again"
-For goodness sake! He breakdown in fornt of his Best friend, only to him and nobody else. Most of us did that, I know bcuz I did that aswell 🤷🏻♂️
The "Thank you for being a Mass Murderer for us"
-Yeah.... I think that one needs to be fixed
"Erens work is all for nothing, they still got attack by paradis"
-Pretty sure, Eren manage to bring them peace for long years. And his friends lived long happy lives until they died.... But
"It sucks bcuz its going to happen again"
-.... But history repeats itself 🤷🏻♂️
The ending wasnt flawless, I understand why people dont like it. Personally I like it.... But if Isayama is indeed involved in the final episode, then some things must be fixed 👌
I dont know man😂 I can’t decide if I love or hate this after 3 YEARS😂 my friends and i still have 3-4 hour convos about why it sucks or why its perfect, like the fact that eren only allowed himself to be killed after he accomplished his goals, so he never really gave his friends “free will” as he claimed, Ymir and Mikasa is so messy with no real foreshadowing for Isayama who’s a master at it😂 idk mikasa got butchered(not completely but she needed more work to get to that point) imo but anyone can disagree w me and change my mind though😊always glad to hear new perspectives on this. Also isayama makiing eren kill his mom? Like why?😂 not needed
It's to highlight and emphasize the painful burden Eren had to bear in order to make sure that the correct timeline would happen. Having his mother killed in front of him would drive him to "kill all the titans in the world!". The ending or rather, the entire story wouldn't have happened without the death of eren's mother. Also, he can't have Bert killed which if it had happened, the timeline again wouldn't have happened. Maybe Isayama didn't have to have Eren kill his mum, however it perfectly exemplifies the gravity and weight of the choices Eren had to make to ensure the best possible ending. It gives you pathos and an emotional kick.
What a way to kill a series
You can always make your own manga about a different ending...Oh wait you cant so just stfu
-i think ymir loving king fritz was supposed to be more like "stockholm syndrome", not real love. as she was a slave she wouldn't have understood was love actually was, but i agree that and mikasa should have definitely been expanded upon it felt too underdeveloped
-i think people also misunderstand the "mass murderer" line, armin is clearly condemning eren for what he did but accepts that they have to go through with his plan and accepts that he is trying to save paradis (although it could have been better done)
-i don't get why people say that reiner's one line destroys his entire character, he was always a bit of a creep lol
-as someone else in the comments said i think that the message said in the extra pages that war would continuously repeat, however an ending with eren destroying the world and paradis suffering from internal conflict would show the message better
personally the ending that i would have done is the alliance failing to stop eren and most of them dying. the rumbling succeeds and the entire world is wiped out, but as eren returns he suffers from the guilt of killing all his friends and he realises that the new world he has created is literally a blank slate, devoid of life and anything, not like what was described in armin's book. in the future paradis suffers from internal conflict due to growing opposition to the yeagerists
well aot is a shonen so i doubt a dark ending like that would have been accepted anyway
@@jamesbrick250 1. its called i m p l i c a t i o n s, not everything has to be proven or fully confirmed
2. i agree, isayama said he wasn't very happy with that line, so i think he will change it
@@senarmstrongfanaccount That is not how Stockholm syndrom works. Stockholm syndrom requires that the person in the position of power treats the person he helds hostage nicely enough to gain sympathy.
It is the exact opposite of what Fritz did to Ymir.
@@gugugugu1300 ok maybe stockholm syndrome isn't the right term for it, but i think something around that was what isayama was aiming for. maybe just providing her a home or elevated status was enough for ymir
Eren was not manipulating Reiner or Bert
He only manipulated Dina titan to kill Carla because Carla’s death was the driving force for eren
When he was down in the debris almost crushed in stohess during female titan
His mother’s death put him in the driving force and we saw many flashbacks of it since of dina being eaten
How did eren control Dina?
@@Mariosonicguy due to founding titan powers
@@AM17titan so can he control every Titan throughout history. Why just Dina?
@@Mariosonicguy yes he can control all the titans throughout the history not just Dina
that is why we got battle of heaven and earth
@@AM17titan no I mean can he control every single Titan from their individual places in time. Like could he control a Titan from the great Titan war era the same way he controlled Dina’s Titan to kill his mom.
Understanding Ymir's complicated feelings about Fritz and his wishes and everything down the line involves understanding how abusive relationships work. Ymir had nothing, and when you have nothing and someone gives you a little piece food on a stick, you'll cling to it even if the person who gave it to you is a complete asshole. that little piece of food for her, was being given shelter, a home, and status, and even children, after spending her whole childhood as a slave. When youve been in desperate situations and just want some sort of validation and a place to call home, you'd get it. Fritz to her was his being who gave her SOMETHING and thats exactly what keeps her attached to their relationship even if its barely a real, worthy relationship.
Ymir was a little girl that didnt know any better, and to her that was love - obviously to us its toxic, but like i said, she didnt know any better. we as viewers can see from a 3rd person perspective how he essentially used her and barely respected her, but to her she sees someone who lifted her out of poverty and praised her power as a titan. Fritz took advantage of her naivete and so even if she was miserable the whole time, she thought all of this was a good love. you gotta remember that love comes in all forms - sadly, even toxic ones. the whole point of her struggling so hard to get over this,is that that love she had for him was toxic - if she had the strength to let it go, she wouldnt be spending eons looking through Paths to find someone who could do what she couldnt do : realize the person she loved was TERRIBLE and put an end to that person's BS.
This is the reason she takes a liking to mikasa. mikasa loves eren and we all know that he's treated her terribly but she clings to him. of course, Eren had more complicated reasons and motivations compared to Fritz; but Mikasa made the choice to do what was right (defy him and kill him) instead of what was selfish (confess her love and run away with him)
if youve ever had a friend or loved one who kept getting back into their relationship with some shitty on and off ex (or maybe your friend WAS the shitty ex in the equation) its similar.
it is not toxic, it is much worst lmao. you treating ymir and fritz relationship like a dumb teenage type of toxic . And also that is not how slavery works and obviously LOVE does not work that way.
Here after the anime.
I feel like the ending was improved upon In many ways. We got a moment between Mikasa and ymir. We got a bit more fleshing out of armins convo with eren. And we got a little bit more elaboration on how paradis was destroyed.
To be honest i have no problem with the ending i just want anime to expand somethings like mikasa and armin i would love to see what Eren said to Reiner at the end and Some scnene can be expanded which was fast in manga i really hope they could expand some scnes
Eren during the beginning of the chapter: explaining why he did the rumbling.
Eren later in the chapter when asked why he did the rumbling: “I don’t know why”
Eren: “I killed 80% of the world”
Armin: *shock face*
Eren when asked how he feels towards mikasa: “I don’t know”
Armin: *punches him in the face and knocks him down.
This ending just severely flawed and incredibly rushed
Your reading comprehension is 0 😂 he said he didn’t know why he is that way. Why he seeks freedom so hard… the next panel literally shoves it in your face yet you still don’t understand it
@@Lesterberne he does know why tho. This ain’t that hard to understand.
@@MariosonicguyI mean you can always make your own alternate ending...Can't draw? lol
So I just watched this right after finishing the final anime episode, and I certainly agree with your main point: a couple of awkward executions aside, _man_ did I love this ending! :D
Fr. It just made me cry cuz they all die of old age. I hate when shows do that
Same man. I don’t care what anyone says. It was a great ending. Not perfect. But great
Well said sir. I tip my hat to you
My problem is that they didn't answer the biggest question, why the titans are the way they are ?
Like, ok, they come from the parasite, but why specifically he made people big ?, The titans have a meaning ?, Or like a physical explanation of why they are the way they are ?
This is what frustate me the most, the rest i was fine, evn though i think eren actin his persona was forced, and man, they really need to change armin tanking him at the end.
Everything doesn’t have meaning like
How are you yourself created ?
How are dinosaurs created ?
Why does dinasours look so big compared to ants
Aot still is fiction story
Even in other stories like chainsaw man
Why is chainsaw devil a dog ?
So is katana devil a literal sword talking or is it another dog
Zeke touches on this when he talks with Armin in the Paths;
When the parasite made contact with Ymir, she was powerless, drowning and terrified of dying. Her only wish in that moment was to escape death and her powerlessness, so the parasite granted her wish with a massive, immortal body and later on the ‘afterlife’ of the Paths.
As far as why titans eat people, I’m pretty sure that stems from Fritz forcing Ymir’s daughters to eat her and creating this instinct in all titans that came after.
@@RepellentJeff yea exactly
Eren admitting to being in love with Mikasa did feel pretty off to me. It would have made more sense for him to be in love with Historia, as it was sorta hinted at somewhat. Mikasa is great and all, but her obsession with Eren felt off putting, most off all to Eren himself. We`ve seen Eren be annoyed with her clingyness and overprotectiveness time and time again. So to suddenly have him see more in her than family and actually be attracted to her made little sense.
Nah, it would've made more sense if he was in love with nobody! Tired of the ship wars and romance
He was not big at expressing love from the beginning. He even admits in season 1 while remembering his mother's death.. his exact words were ; "Why was i such a bra!.. i never told her that I loved her, and now I'll never get to."
The ending was realistic. I mean, if ppl wanted a fairy tale, then what show/manga were we reading/watching again?? Smh. 🤦
No most people wanted eren to do 100% rumbling and guarantee peace not half ass it and fk it leave it to armin lol
I know that there were mixed reactions about the ending but honestly I hated it. Like I see what Isayama is going for and I understand that but I found the ending so predictable and stupid on how they basically copied the same ending as Code Geass having Eren and Lelouch hate the world they live in and then getting these insane powers and in the end, both of them become villian in the eye of the world and with their death, world becomes a happy place for awhile.
Tbh If I were Isayama I would’ve gave it like a disney ending but also keeping some aspects of the ending the same like here me out.
When The Rumbling marches forth from Paradis with the alliance tailing close behind. As the Titans reach the shores of Marley, the world has set into full panic. It's over, the world is over, there is no hope. The alliance battles along Eren's Spine, as they face against a super powered remote controlled Attack Titan, the OG Eren Titan. As the world hangs in the balance. But the Titans stop at the shores, and wait, one by one Colossal Titans reach the shores of all nations but rather than trample everything... The Titans bow... One by one... Before the entire world.... They prostrate themselves.
Then we get a flashback of Uri prostrating before Kenny is shown
Eren Yeager uses the founding Titan to apologize to the people of the world for the brutal history caused by the Eldian people, and wishes to protect his friends and familv and evervone from more death caused by Titans. Eren proceeds to wipe the power of the Titans away from the world, all the Collosals crumble. Depsite having the power to crush them, as Uri did Kenny, Eren chooses to repent and ask for mercy, and gives his enemies the chance to kill him if they wish. Eren accepts defeat and decides to follow Armin's way of maintaining peace. Just like Uri and Kenny became friends, the world would rejoice at witnessing the Titans vanish from this world and embrace peace with Eldians.
Eren would end his fight with the alliance, "I didn't really want any of that! As much I love you guys, I had to pretend to be bad to protect y’all ." The war would end, and the ice burst crystal would usher forth a technological rennisance where people's needs were met, people loved long and good lives, and Paradis thrives as a cultural capital and a safeguard against brutality, violence and war. Atleast for the crimes he has committed, Eren would be imprisoned for a year and without his powers he can’t escape; however, Eren will be later be pardoned and gets freedom by Queen Historia and Armin who is now commander. Mikasa has been waiting for Eren this whole time and they finally accept their love for eachother. In the end, Armin becomes an ambassador for peace between Paradis and the outside world, using his intelligence for the common good while Eren would live out his days in isolation and live on a farm with Mikasa and as they both look at the beautiful sky, the anime concludes.
Yeah armins line is my least favorite part.
I've never had a problem with oat ending, it was perfect to me
Is bad, the autor had no clue how to tell anything, is a big joke
As if you could do anything even closer to this...All people like do is complain complain complain...Go make your own manga if you can...Wait you cant so just stfu
@@andreysokolov8974maybe you can stop dickriding the author
I loved and enjoyed watching every minute of it.
I've always loved the ending and love it even more the more days that go by
Within 10 min gang.
Honestly it’s the only ending to the story that should be. My only issue was everyone should’ve been harder on Eren.
Code Geass did it better....
I think the ending is near flawless. I remember catching up on the show and I just wanted to know how it ended so badly. So I read it and was blown away and I do not understand the hate that it gets.
@@jamesbrick250"it sucks from a technical standpoint" lol, what does that even mean?
@@TequilaToothpick The amount of potholes is kind of staggering lol
@@PartofHistory214 Such as?
I thought mikasa mirrored ymir
Glad that i watched this video. Now i know ur not a blind mikasa simp
I am a Mikasa simp. What does this matter? Oh wait, that's what the hivemind tells you think, right? Can't have any original thoughts, can we. 💀
@@SeaTactics yep has been consuming susbtance from the aoehopechads for 2yrs. Good for u tho💀keep going bro🤞
@SeaTactics I bet ur jeck off to mikasa hentai 💀
@@SeaTacticsand ur only need be a female character, has a hot body and that it ur will have a lot of simps
I think people don't understand Eren. They saw him as a hero who was justified in committing genocide. In reality, they didn't follow Yam's perspective that what he did was truly evil. So since Eren is so macho, he can't cry over love.. people forget that Eren has never changed. He's so hot-headed and doesn't share key information.. he holds it all in but finally shares it with his best friend at the end because it would be the last time he would see him. This was all Eren's choice.. he didn't have to do it, but he chose to.
I expected to hate the ending, but came away that it was a satisfying conclusion. I thought following what I’d heard from the manga it would be so so bad, which probably lowered my expectations, but i found myself liking it.
Everything came full circle, for a show that was built around cycles of war it felt complete.
Ymir loved Fritz, father to her children, king among men, she’s uneducated and in an abusive relationship no shock that she’s ‘trapped’ in her love. Just like Mikasa’s Ackerman trait has her trapped in her love Eren. In killing Eren, Mikasa was free to love Eren all on her own, and Ymir was free to love who she wanted (Not Fritz).
So many passing comments through the show from Eren came full circle too.
Then we end with the cycle of war continuing but also Paradis island growing as a society, technological advances and yes war war and war, but Eren allowed the island and his people the chance to fight the chance to be free. His friends lived long and happy lives (hopefully) and they became equals in the world around them, heroes even!
Not the best ending, and years of cock teases and blue balls, but I’ll take it.
I gave up on AOT after season 2. The show in my opinion doesn't have strong dynamic between its characters that keep my attention.
The show is also way to intense and without the balance of calm and intensity the show gets exhausting to watch.
I get this show is about survival and war, but doesn't mean you need to make so many moments feel like there a big shocking twist.
Watch it lol
There is a reason why this series is so highly regarded by many
By anime watchers and also who enter the anime completely new
Every season is captivating
Gave up in season 2 which actually means that you have actually dropped before it has even began :/||
@@Fourthbugbear You say that like it's a good thing. I've never liked this excuse, its a genetic line any fan could say to justify why they like something.
@@AM17titan I don't care how popular this series is. It didn't keep my attention.
Also, you can't argue a story is good just because it's popular. You want to make a solid argument talk about the story itself.
@@lesterwilliamsjr649 the show is about survival and war and there is a big history type war which you don’t know about and it is given hints throughout s1 and especially s2
I don’t know how you didn’t watched it after s2 because s2 was epic
Reiner and berthold reveal makes so much sense afterwards and also how beast titan zeke looks like eren’s father
Ending wasn’t bad 🗣️
I really really really feel like eren should’ve had some realization that he was being manipulated by Ymir and had some sort of separation from her. And the final fight was all of them including eren against Ymir. And then in the end eren died.
Eren was not being manipulated by ymir !!!
From where did you even get that ?
@@AM17titan 🙄
@@99centfacts82 from where did ymir manipulated eren ? Don’t watch random Twitter comments or random RUclips videos
Eren acted on his own !
It was his plan
He wanted to do the rumbling and would have completed it if armin and others wouldn’t have stopped him
@@AM17titan read my comment again
@@99centfacts82 I don’t see any sense in your comment bro
Ymir can’t manipulate eren
she just can’t
she doesn’t have that kind of power
And it wasn’t shown that eren was in control of ymir
I know it's worst anime ever
Its mikasa and erens love that parallels ymir and her love
The ending was never “controversial” or “bad”. People were just butthurt that everyone didn’t live happily ever after and they didn’t get what they wanted so they called it trash. The ending always made perfect sense to me because I used my brain and not my emotions.
The end is controversial in itself because people widely having polarized opinions on it, regardless if they on the side that thinks it's good or bad.
@@raec5426 you’re right but the thoughts that the ending was “bad” or “rushed” is just dumb.
@@h2egoalkeeper700 Well it's just opinions at the end of the day. Though can understand some aspects of criticism of why people could think aspects of it were bad.
People want a Disney fairytale happy ending... 😂😂😂
No most people wanted eren to do 100% rumbling and guarantee peace not half ass it and fk it leave it to armin lol