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I think Zeke alongside Reiner are two of the most complex characters in the series and I love both of them. I would also argue that Armin's conversation of Zeke is arguably the most important conversation in Attack On Titan in terms of its theme of finding meaning in one's life in the midst of the cycles of violence in humanity. It was so good, and I felt like Isayama was speaking through Armin to tell the audience his philosophy in life. The world is cruel, but it can also be beautiful.
i have noticed the parallel between Kenny’s conversation with Levi before his death and Armin’s conversation with Zeke.While Armin’s point answering the question "why you need to be born",Kenny’s point answering the question "why you need to stay alive”.Both points represents the beautiful side of this cruel world,.Both points shows us that there are things worth living your live.
Another thought just popped up. Armin is always repeating how- "Those who cannot sacrifice everything. Cannot change anything." However, Armin did. He gave up everything, even his dream as he got scorched. Yet, unlike everybody else, he got a second chance. Armin's whole S4 story is about finding a whole new dream to strive for - all while put in constant situations to sacrifice it all for survival. Zeke couldn't sacrifice Eren and his resentment towards his father. Ultimately resulting in him not changing anything. It was only when Armin was finally able to talk with Zeke. That convinced Zeke to sacrifice his old beliefs of life being meaningless, and ended up changing everything.
@rosy5233 the point they were making is that it was Armin who had that conversation with zeke resulting in the titans coming to help mikasa and the others, which in the end saved humanity
This scene made Zeke my favourite character. The nihilistic character finding the value in life is such a powerful message that i really love and appreciate isayama for sharing it.
But his parents and the resistance still counting on Zeke to be a Titan shifter and later to get the Founding Titan and Grisha will probably get the Attack Titan from Kruger but in different way cause Kruger will die soon because of Ymir curse
I’m pretty sure if Grisha’s sister wasn’t eaten by dogs, then Eren wouldn’t be born, because Grisha would have never joined the rebellion if not for his sisters death.
@biggamer7245 I'm pretty sure if Grisha's parents never met then Eren wouldn't have been born because there'd be no Grisha no Grisha sister no motive to join the resistance no zeke no betrayal no attack titan and no eren and Ymir would have to find someone else to help free her
Nothing would stop Eren from being born, future Eren would just influence previous attack titans by sending memories to each one with his super future powers causing him to be born
@@Zerow45yw Yea, that is what he did, although if he wasn’t the last attack titan and there was an attack titan after him, then he would have been influenced by that next attack titan and their will. The power of the attack titan is so damn complex lol.
While I already understand the value of life thanks to Armin, I cannot helped but reverting to Zeke's view on many occasions. After all, I saw, heard and read about many bad things that happened out there and even to me. P.S: While I like how Zeke's arc went with him coming to understand the value of life, I am still sulking at how naive Hange and Armin are when it comes to diplomacy and war. I will and always be baffled at the idea that talking to Marley is a good idea and not join the war against Marley along with the Mid-East Allied Forces.
Because we are only presented with the dominant voices of Marley. If you noticed, the show didnt dive deep into the Azumabitos, who were open with working with the island, nor the colonised lands of Marley, like the one Onyakapon was from. We dont know whether they would be open to collaborating with the island or not. We didnt get to know, because both Eren and Marley as a nation was set on trying to destroy each other. Tbh, I think Armin’s plan was the most reasonable but wasnt realised. His plan was for a small rumbling to occur and wipe out all military installations and infrastructure of Marley, so that more time would be given to Paradis to work out with an alternative plan besides war and destruction. It also makes sense if you think about it, given that Marley would also be too busy trying to defend itself from revenge from other nations who antagonised Marley. The island could also take an opportunity to establish a sort of truce with the other nations that were rivals to Marley. I don’t think Armin and Hange were naive. If anything, Armin and Hange are the reason why the world still had 20% left and Paradis didnt fall into a civil war sooner. If the 20% didnt survive, war would break loose among people of Paradis. But because Paradis is aware of other human beings still alive outside, they as a nation cannot afford to be divided. If we are talking about diplomacy, a mass genocide isnt the way to go. It would be akin to North Korea sending out nukes to the rest of the world despite not all nations wanting war with them.
@@daniaaal And that is my problem with Armin and Hange. They should know that talking with an enemy is useless unless the enemy is forced to do so. And partial Rumbling will not helped either because while Marley is totally defeated, it will only proven Marley's propaganda right. Instead, talking with an enemy of the enemy will sound liek the better option. Also, they can accomplished the same goal by joining Marley Mid-East War as a member of the Allies. If the Allies emerged victorious, Marley will lost territories to the Mid-East Eyalets while also being forced to accept humiliating peace from Paradis, thus allowing Paradis to gain a seat on the international stage at Marley's expense. And the best part is Marley cannot do anything about it because economic recovery in the aftermath of this war will be its first priority. And to make the matter worse, the possibility of the Marleyan society fell into a civil war similar to the American Civil War is high when the question regarding the Eldians' rights became a hot debate, especially when Ymir Fritz is set freed and the Powers of the Titans disappeared. However, Marley will definitely not forget such a humiliation and most likely fall into revanchism. And I doubted even a civil war can pulled the Marleyan society out of it. So if the Allies won this war, Paradis and Marley will have cold relations with one another similar to the one between Britain and Russia in our world back in the 19th century while the Mid-East Eyalets is most likely unified into a single Sultanate and became Paradis' main defender for the sake of its own interests. As for Hizuru, its desire for monopolization of Paradis' resources and playing both sides of the war will most likely resulted in Hizuru ended up being diplomatically isolated by Marley, Paradis and the Sultanate.
@@daniaaali massively disagree with you about Armin’s plan a small scale rumbling would be the worst case because it would show the sheer power the rumbling is which would then most likely make things a hell of a lot worse as now paradis not only are seen as devils but now their devils with a doomsday weapon best case the world would stall for time (depending upon their knowledge of titan shifters) till eren is dead or they have weapons suitable enough to deal with the wall titans and then it’s game over for paradis as their only defence is made useless also the founder would be useless not only because only someone of royal blood can use it but then they would fall under the influence of that one king (can’t remember his name the one who made the wall and wiped everyone’s memory) meaning that the rumbling might not even be useable after the attack,warhammer and founder are passed from eren as he was in a unique situation plus it would also perpetuate the cycle of children eating their parents as only historia and her children would be suitable ( no one would ever consider giving it to zeke) final note let’s say the go with armin’s plan but all diplomatic attempts fail eren is dead and somehow the founder is in both the hands of someone who can use it and not of royal blood (to avoid the king’s influence) would they have the will to actually activate the rumbling when it’s needed
@@dorcas7222 How do you know that? I mean, all we saw was just the so-called Paradis' "embassy" visited an association for the Eldians' rights and that's it, right?
@@transfo47 yup the perfect analogy would be a child living in a village that gets bombed by another country. they would grow up in poverty, hating that nation and demonizing them only to possibly realize they're just people and thought they were doing the right thing or possibly indoctrinated. in this process, the child that grew up may or may not have some sort of power (politically or militaristically) and may use that power despite learning they're all just people, just like eren, an idiot who got his hands on power
The writing in this show is top tier and will not be replicated! I’m so glad I got to experience it. No other show in media will match the tone and brutality of Titans and the rumbling.
@Anyone-AGTR15 same. I can't fathom how they think this is quality storytelling. I can stomach a sad or gruesome ending, but I will not for the love of glob praise bad and contrived writing.
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In between the war crimes and the carnage of the series, it's easy to forget that all of these people, not just Zeke and Armin, were at one point just kids who didn't know better. These two in particular always had that spark that, despite their unfair circumstances and cruel environments, kept them from not giving up, and kept them moving forward toward the goals that they've been fighting to accomplish for so long. But in pursuit of that, they've each earned themselves an entire adulthood of solitude and self-loathing with Zeke betraying everyone he knows and loves from his parents, his fellow warriors, and even his nation only to be stopped right before attaining his dreams, by the one person he had every intention of being with, the one family member he had left that he wanted to keep and truly ally with until the end, his very brother. Zeke not only loses his sense of morality and justification for the lives he has ruined but his his purpose, his very reason for committing such manslaughter has got to naught. He stays in the past, not just because he is trapped there, but because he gave up, on his dreams, his goals, on humanity, life, and in himself. It's why I find that 137 talks so fascinating since we have this character who was born into an environment that dictated that people like him were spawns of the devil and despite not seemingly failing for that propaganda, between his own experiences, his bond with Xavier and the cruel nature of the world, this anhedonic mindset that he should've just not been born has followed him from a child to adulthood, the only thing that has changed is his outlook from "_I_ should not have been born," to "_Eldians_ should not have been born," and then to "_No one_ should have been born." ThSo having Armin
Because he thinks all the suffering and the killing is that happening in the world is because of the Eldians and Titans, they will not be able to live a normal life and it’s better to die than being born and suffer and the hatred of Marley is justified
Thx for covering these type of topics bro. AOT is my favorite anime but although I’m super invested in the show, there were multiple things throughout season 4 that I didn’t understand
As a piece of fiction (specially an anime) it was unrealistic to expect a different outcome. This video is nice an all, but even after Zeke turned and helped (for the sake of the story continuing and nothing else), he made clear that he still believed his plan was the better approach and I agree. You have to be willfully dense to not see that having 80% of human life wiped out of the planet and the other 20% collectively traumatized is a better outcome, specially when it is implied in the end that the cycle will repeat rendering every sacrifice and action that helped stopped the rumbling meaningless and useless. A lovely sunset doesn't justify an orphanage being blown out with everyone inside being burned to a crisp. There's also the issue of lifespan, this take of "well at least I enjoyed the small moments" applies only to those that were lucky enough to live a long enough live span and through a lot of experiences. I hardly think a kid dying of cancer at 5 without getting to live their entire life as others will agree with this take. Nice video. Benatar, Ligotti and Schopenhauer are still right.
I'm tired of the whole argument between "ending sucks" and "ending good", or Wit vs MAPPA. I'm gonna ask the REAL question: how would AoT have looked if Studio Pierrot did it (aka Bleach and Naruto style)?
that quote made me realize the value of life and to not be controlled by others and just live a normal life without anyone controlling you like kids being controlled by school.
I think you greatly misinterpreted Zeke in the beginning. He wasn’t specifically referring to the Titan parasite organism. He was referring of life as in all living things. The manga is a little more clear about this because it shows the Cambrian explosion. Zeke was giving Armin an evolution lesson lol
Can i just say. I love small silly inside jokes. And i always love waiting to hear what you are going to call bert and you didnt disapoint today hahaha 😂 thank you for that
Growing up it was rough to understand why the world is the way it is and I felt it needed to change the way I thought it should be. But now I'm okay just knowing I am zeke in a sense we are the same
A 19-year-old isn't gonna convince a grown ass man to change his entire life philosophy in a 5-minute conversation. (Kudos to them (AOTNR) for reminding me why I loved Zeke's character.) Zeke should've never turned on his ideology to help the alliance.
I wasn't expecting a philosophical thought when watching the video. True, there is no second life, we just have one and we should better do the things we think would be great not for the next life, but for the current one, the only one
It seems like you're referring to characters and events from the manga or anime series "Attack on Titan." Both Armin and Zeke play significant roles in the story, and their perspectives on life and conflict are indeed distinct. Armin Arlert is known for his compassionate and idealistic nature. He often seeks diplomatic solutions and is willing to find understanding between different factions. On the other hand, Zeke Yeager initially appears more pragmatic and believes in a utilitarian approach to achieving his goals, even if it means sacrificing lives for what he perceives as the greater good. It's natural for viewers or readers to have differing opinions on the characters and their choices. In the case of Armin, his belief in diplomacy and understanding might stem from a desire to break the cycle of violence and find a peaceful resolution to conflicts. This perspective is rooted in a hope for a better future. Zeke, on the other hand, initially adopts a more fatalistic and utilitarian outlook, driven by the harsh realities of the world he lives in. However, as you mentioned, his character undergoes development, and he comes to understand the value of life in a different way. Regarding your thoughts on diplomacy and war, the narrative choices in "Attack on Titan" often explore the complexities and moral ambiguities of conflict. Armin and Hange's inclination towards diplomacy may reflect a desire to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and to break the cycle of hatred that has fueled the conflicts in the story. The decision not to join the war against Marley alongside the Mid-East Allied Forces could be a strategic choice, considering the potential consequences of escalating hostilities. Different characters in the series have diverse perspectives, and the story often challenges traditional notions of good and evil, right and wrong. It's part of what makes "Attack on Titan" a thought-provoking and emotionally impactful series. It's okay to have conflicting feelings about the characters and their choices; that complexity is a deliberate aspect of the narrative.
Watching your video made me realize something about Ymir and Eren, and why Zeke couldn't connect to Ymir like Eren did. It's because both Eren and Ymir use their Titans for the ones they love. Zeke doesn't have a driving force like that, he has a goal yes, but he doesn't understand the deep devotion and basically obsession the other two have for the people they love. That scene with Ymir looking at Fritz? That longing and desire to have the attention of the one you pine for, and to support them in their dreams, I think Ymir was looking for someone that understood that. But it's obviously unhealthy. Fritz basically groomed her. He didn't actually care about her. And I think that's why when Mikasa came into Ymir's view it was such a wakeup call for her. Here's the person that Eren is In love with, obsessed with. Here is Eren's Fritz. But Mikasa is nothing like Fritz, and I think Ymir Realizes this. Mikasa has morals, she cares about people, and she's devoted to Eren just as much as he is to her. If anything Eren is the Fritz of the relationship, Eren is the one choosing genocide. Eren is the one repeating the cycle, and in turn Ymir is too. I think that's why Mikasa had such an impact on her. I think that's why Mikasa giving up Eren for the good of the world but still loving him until the end allowed Ymir to let go. Just like Mikasa, Ymir finally let go of Fritz. She can still hold her love for him, but also hold the fact that he was a negative impact on the world, and in turn she was as well. AoT's story is a beautiful one of breaking cycles, holding life precious, and loving deeply.
I saw from a RUclipsr named Hangeus. She said that attack on Titan chapter 17 in another life is out. I don’t know if it is really out. But I wanted to tell you about if it is the new chapter of attack on titan.
"...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY IT IS." "IF ONLY REALIZED THAT EARLIER." Because Zeke had lived in his story. Playing catch is a event, not story. Why does not Eren realize that ? He still lives in his story. Attack on Titan is the Rashomon effect. They live in each stories. They are true stories for them.
@@chef8199 he needed Zeke to be a stand in for the king as a royal, as she was bound to obey the kings offspring. After she chose to help Eren and disobey Zeke’s wishes, there shouldn’t have needed to be a royal. That’s the story the way I understood it up to that point, and I think it’s a fair question that has been left vague by the author.
question guys, i just genuinely want to understand, this isn’t a criticism. if ymir followed eren’s directions instead of zeke’s & started the rumbling, why did the rumbling stop when levi killed zeke?
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I think Zeke alongside Reiner are two of the most complex characters in the series and I love both of them. I would also argue that Armin's conversation of Zeke is arguably the most important conversation in Attack On Titan in terms of its theme of finding meaning in one's life in the midst of the cycles of violence in humanity. It was so good, and I felt like Isayama was speaking through Armin to tell the audience his philosophy in life. The world is cruel, but it can also be beautiful.
i have noticed the parallel between Kenny’s conversation with Levi before his death and Armin’s conversation with Zeke.While Armin’s point answering the question "why you need to be born",Kenny’s point answering the question "why you need to stay alive”.Both points represents the beautiful side of this cruel world,.Both points shows us that there are things worth living your live.
Another thought just popped up. Armin is always repeating how- "Those who cannot sacrifice everything. Cannot change anything."
However, Armin did. He gave up everything, even his dream as he got scorched. Yet, unlike everybody else, he got a second chance. Armin's whole S4 story is about finding a whole new dream to strive for - all while put in constant situations to sacrifice it all for survival.
Zeke couldn't sacrifice Eren and his resentment towards his father. Ultimately resulting in him not changing anything.
It was only when Armin was finally able to talk with Zeke. That convinced Zeke to sacrifice his old beliefs of life being meaningless, and ended up changing everything.
That’s funny I don’t find them complex they suffered silently for their race but realized how wrong they were
I can’t help but to remember when Eren said it wasn’t going to be him or Erwin that would save humanity, but Armin.
Oof. Rewatched so many times and didn't click til now, granted haven't rewatched previous seasons since finale aired.
@rosy5233 the point they were making is that it was Armin who had that conversation with zeke resulting in the titans coming to help mikasa and the others, which in the end saved humanity
This Armin zeke moment is probably one of my favorite parts tbh it was beautiful
This scene made Zeke my favourite character. The nihilistic character finding the value in life is such a powerful message that i really love and appreciate isayama for sharing it.
beautiful analysis of what is, in my opinion, the absolute core of Attack on Titan. "The world is cruel, but absolutely beautiful"
it's absurdism
Im loving AOT even more thanks to your in-depth reviews. Awesome video as usual 🔥
Glad you enjoy it!
@Anyone-AGTR15 here we go with crybaby that nagging what the ending didn't meet your lame expectation
If Zeke hadn't snitched on Grisha, then Eren wouldn't be born.
But his parents and the resistance still counting on Zeke to be a Titan shifter and later to get the Founding Titan and Grisha will probably get the Attack Titan from Kruger but in different way cause Kruger will die soon because of Ymir curse
I’m pretty sure if Grisha’s sister wasn’t eaten by dogs, then Eren wouldn’t be born, because Grisha would have never joined the rebellion if not for his sisters death.
@biggamer7245 I'm pretty sure if Grisha's parents never met then Eren wouldn't have been born because there'd be no Grisha no Grisha sister no motive to join the resistance no zeke no betrayal no attack titan and no eren and Ymir would have to find someone else to help free her
Nothing would stop Eren from being born, future Eren would just influence previous attack titans by sending memories to each one with his super future powers causing him to be born
@@Zerow45yw Yea, that is what he did, although if he wasn’t the last attack titan and there was an attack titan after him, then he would have been influenced by that next attack titan and their will.
The power of the attack titan is so damn complex lol.
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Zeke is one of my top 10 fav characters his character was so well written
While I already understand the value of life thanks to Armin, I cannot helped but reverting to Zeke's view on many occasions. After all, I saw, heard and read about many bad things that happened out there and even to me.
P.S: While I like how Zeke's arc went with him coming to understand the value of life, I am still sulking at how naive Hange and Armin are when it comes to diplomacy and war. I will and always be baffled at the idea that talking to Marley is a good idea and not join the war against Marley along with the Mid-East Allied Forces.
Because we are only presented with the dominant voices of Marley. If you noticed, the show didnt dive deep into the Azumabitos, who were open with working with the island, nor the colonised lands of Marley, like the one Onyakapon was from. We dont know whether they would be open to collaborating with the island or not. We didnt get to know, because both Eren and Marley as a nation was set on trying to destroy each other.
Tbh, I think Armin’s plan was the most reasonable but wasnt realised. His plan was for a small rumbling to occur and wipe out all military installations and infrastructure of Marley, so that more time would be given to Paradis to work out with an alternative plan besides war and destruction. It also makes sense if you think about it, given that Marley would also be too busy trying to defend itself from revenge from other nations who antagonised Marley. The island could also take an opportunity to establish a sort of truce with the other nations that were rivals to Marley.
I don’t think Armin and Hange were naive. If anything, Armin and Hange are the reason why the world still had 20% left and Paradis didnt fall into a civil war sooner. If the 20% didnt survive, war would break loose among people of Paradis. But because Paradis is aware of other human beings still alive outside, they as a nation cannot afford to be divided.
If we are talking about diplomacy, a mass genocide isnt the way to go. It would be akin to North Korea sending out nukes to the rest of the world despite not all nations wanting war with them.
@@daniaaal And that is my problem with Armin and Hange. They should know that talking with an enemy is useless unless the enemy is forced to do so. And partial Rumbling will not helped either because while Marley is totally defeated, it will only proven Marley's propaganda right. Instead, talking with an enemy of the enemy will sound liek the better option.
Also, they can accomplished the same goal by joining Marley Mid-East War as a member of the Allies. If the Allies emerged victorious, Marley will lost territories to the Mid-East Eyalets while also being forced to accept humiliating peace from Paradis, thus allowing Paradis to gain a seat on the international stage at Marley's expense. And the best part is Marley cannot do anything about it because economic recovery in the aftermath of this war will be its first priority. And to make the matter worse, the possibility of the Marleyan society fell into a civil war similar to the American Civil War is high when the question regarding the Eldians' rights became a hot debate, especially when Ymir Fritz is set freed and the Powers of the Titans disappeared. However, Marley will definitely not forget such a humiliation and most likely fall into revanchism. And I doubted even a civil war can pulled the Marleyan society out of it. So if the Allies won this war, Paradis and Marley will have cold relations with one another similar to the one between Britain and Russia in our world back in the 19th century while the Mid-East Eyalets is most likely unified into a single Sultanate and became Paradis' main defender for the sake of its own interests. As for Hizuru, its desire for monopolization of Paradis' resources and playing both sides of the war will most likely resulted in Hizuru ended up being diplomatically isolated by Marley, Paradis and the Sultanate.
@@daniaaali massively disagree with you about Armin’s plan a small scale rumbling would be the worst case because it would show the sheer power the rumbling is which would then most likely make things a hell of a lot worse as now paradis not only are seen as devils but now their devils with a doomsday weapon best case the world would stall for time (depending upon their knowledge of titan shifters) till eren is dead or they have weapons suitable enough to deal with the wall titans and then it’s game over for paradis as their only defence is made useless also the founder would be useless not only because only someone of royal blood can use it but then they would fall under the influence of that one king (can’t remember his name the one who made the wall and wiped everyone’s memory) meaning that the rumbling might not even be useable after the attack,warhammer and founder are passed from eren as he was in a unique situation plus it would also perpetuate the cycle of children eating their parents as only historia and her children would be suitable ( no one would ever consider giving it to zeke) final note let’s say the go with armin’s plan but all diplomatic attempts fail eren is dead and somehow the founder is in both the hands of someone who can use it and not of royal blood (to avoid the king’s influence) would they have the will to actually activate the rumbling when it’s needed
They did not want to talk to the Marley mainly, but rather to all countries of the world
@@dorcas7222 How do you know that? I mean, all we saw was just the so-called Paradis' "embassy" visited an association for the Eldians' rights and that's it, right?
Zeke is definitely my most favorite character in the series.
He’s one of the most fascinating characters I’ve ever seen in my life!
I Never forget Aot bc of the lessons it tells. Look at the world today. All its wars and beauty. It can be related to this story
Yeah, but Aot seems a lot more tragic and more dramatic like good things rarely ever happens because in life there’s good things and bad things..
@@Omega-jg4oqSome people are living life as in AoT. People that are refugees from impoverished countries lead similar lives to the Eldians.
@@transfo47 yup the perfect analogy would be a child living in a village that gets bombed by another country. they would grow up in poverty, hating that nation and demonizing them only to possibly realize they're just people and thought they were doing the right thing or possibly indoctrinated. in this process, the child that grew up may or may not have some sort of power (politically or militaristically) and may use that power despite learning they're all just people, just like eren, an idiot who got his hands on power
The writing in this show is top tier and will not be replicated! I’m so glad I got to experience it. No other show in media will match the tone and brutality of Titans and the rumbling.
@Anyone-AGTR15 same. I can't fathom how they think this is quality storytelling. I can stomach a sad or gruesome ending, but I will not for the love of glob praise bad and contrived writing.
@BegeTobi mikasa is 1/2 eldian (or at least 1/4) 😂 just proves most of your points come from you NOT UNDERSTANDING the show
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This scene and analysis made me appreciate Armin and specially Zeke as characters. Thank you for this.
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In between the war crimes and the carnage of the series, it's easy to forget that all of these people, not just Zeke and Armin, were at one point just kids who didn't know better. These two in particular always had that spark that, despite their unfair circumstances and cruel environments, kept them from not giving up, and kept them moving forward toward the goals that they've been fighting to accomplish for so long.
But in pursuit of that, they've each earned themselves an entire adulthood of solitude and self-loathing with Zeke betraying everyone he knows and loves from his parents, his fellow warriors, and even his nation only to be stopped right before attaining his dreams, by the one person he had every intention of being with, the one family member he had left that he wanted to keep and truly ally with until the end, his very brother. Zeke not only loses his sense of morality and justification for the lives he has ruined but his his purpose, his very reason for committing such manslaughter has got to naught. He stays in the past, not just because he is trapped there, but because he gave up, on his dreams, his goals, on humanity, life, and in himself.
It's why I find that 137 talks so fascinating since we have this character who was born into an environment that dictated that people like him were spawns of the devil and despite not seemingly failing for that propaganda, between his own experiences, his bond with Xavier and the cruel nature of the world, this anhedonic mindset that he should've just not been born has followed him from a child to adulthood, the only thing that has changed is his outlook from "_I_ should not have been born," to "_Eldians_ should not have been born," and then to "_No one_ should have been born."
ThSo having Armin
Zeke has awesome character development. He’s one of my favorite characters
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Zeke is one of my most favourite character. He is also one of the greatest characters.
100k waita go, man! Great to make this video alongside this. This made me appreciate Armin more than I already do.
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Great message, great video.
13:00 Rest assured man, you completely got me
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That's why zeke is my favorite character in the show
Higher than both reiner & eren .....
Some monsterous well written characters AOT has
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Zeke seems to take a lot of inspiration from Shopenhour's "wille zum leben"
Whist Armin seems to be taking from Nietzsche's "amor fati"
Zeke was trying to do Marley a favor by eliminating Eldians out of mercy.
Because he thinks all the suffering and the killing is that happening in the world is because of the Eldians and Titans, they will not be able to live a normal life and it’s better to die than being born and suffer and the hatred of Marley is justified
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Thx for covering these type of topics bro. AOT is my favorite anime but although I’m super invested in the show, there were multiple things throughout season 4 that I didn’t understand
As a piece of fiction (specially an anime) it was unrealistic to expect a different outcome. This video is nice an all, but even after Zeke turned and helped (for the sake of the story continuing and nothing else), he made clear that he still believed his plan was the better approach and I agree. You have to be willfully dense to not see that having 80% of human life wiped out of the planet and the other 20% collectively traumatized is a better outcome, specially when it is implied in the end that the cycle will repeat rendering every sacrifice and action that helped stopped the rumbling meaningless and useless.
A lovely sunset doesn't justify an orphanage being blown out with everyone inside being burned to a crisp. There's also the issue of lifespan, this take of "well at least I enjoyed the small moments" applies only to those that were lucky enough to live a long enough live span and through a lot of experiences. I hardly think a kid dying of cancer at 5 without getting to live their entire life as others will agree with this take.
Nice video. Benatar, Ligotti and Schopenhauer are still right.
I'm tired of the whole argument between "ending sucks" and "ending good", or Wit vs MAPPA. I'm gonna ask the REAL question: how would AoT have looked if Studio Pierrot did it (aka Bleach and Naruto style)?
"It is a cruel, yet beautiful world"
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The music you have in the background is such a beautiful remix.
that quote made me realize the value of life and to not be controlled by others and just live a normal life without anyone controlling you like kids being controlled by school.
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I think you greatly misinterpreted Zeke in the beginning. He wasn’t specifically referring to the Titan parasite organism. He was referring of life as in all living things. The manga is a little more clear about this because it shows the Cambrian explosion. Zeke was giving Armin an evolution lesson lol
Can i just say. I love small silly inside jokes.
And i always love waiting to hear what you are going to call bert and you didnt disapoint today hahaha 😂 thank you for that
You have a beautiful narrative voice!
Just finished aot yesterday it is the first anime I ever watched I love it
what a beautiful analysis 👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽
Beautiful analysis ❤
With the advancement of technology, we will not have to die. We could live forever.
I would spend millions of dollars to obtain this.
The rumbling wasnt stopped when Zeke Was killed. It was stopped when they blew up the founding titans neck
@sabsain2399 watch it again. The titans are still moving after Levi beheads him
i think eren and armin dialogue is better, but this one has also seriously broken my 💔
Growing up it was rough to understand why the world is the way it is and I felt it needed to change the way I thought it should be. But now I'm okay just knowing I am zeke in a sense we are the same
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Zeke went from a depressed nihilist to an optimistic nihilist in the last episode
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And life is like that sandcastle will be washed away by the time and tide. Lost in the endless sands of time.
why did this video make me tear up
A 19-year-old isn't gonna convince a grown ass man to change his entire life philosophy in a 5-minute conversation. (Kudos to them (AOTNR) for reminding me why I loved Zeke's character.)
Zeke should've never turned on his ideology to help the alliance.
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I wasn't expecting a philosophical thought when watching the video.
True, there is no second life, we just have one and we should better do the things we think would be great not for the next life, but for the current one, the only one
Whether you believe in reincarnation or not, every life we live is unique and precious. Even if it is just one life.
Very heartwarming, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I thought I would’ve felt happier when he died but it was the opposite in the end…. 😔
this scene means so much to me
Brilliant video!
Congratulations on 100k
Damn that sandcastle y'all made at the end was hella nice
Excellent analysis.
congrats on 100k
Looking forward to that retrospective!
Read Albert Camus' myth of sysisphus and you will 10000% understand this conversation and aot as a whole.
This is one of the greatest scenes in the history of television.
Armin lied to Eren and to Zeke so that the rumbling would stop.
It seems like you're referring to characters and events from the manga or anime series "Attack on Titan." Both Armin and Zeke play significant roles in the story, and their perspectives on life and conflict are indeed distinct.
Armin Arlert is known for his compassionate and idealistic nature. He often seeks diplomatic solutions and is willing to find understanding between different factions. On the other hand, Zeke Yeager initially appears more pragmatic and believes in a utilitarian approach to achieving his goals, even if it means sacrificing lives for what he perceives as the greater good.
It's natural for viewers or readers to have differing opinions on the characters and their choices. In the case of Armin, his belief in diplomacy and understanding might stem from a desire to break the cycle of violence and find a peaceful resolution to conflicts. This perspective is rooted in a hope for a better future.
Zeke, on the other hand, initially adopts a more fatalistic and utilitarian outlook, driven by the harsh realities of the world he lives in. However, as you mentioned, his character undergoes development, and he comes to understand the value of life in a different way.
Regarding your thoughts on diplomacy and war, the narrative choices in "Attack on Titan" often explore the complexities and moral ambiguities of conflict. Armin and Hange's inclination towards diplomacy may reflect a desire to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and to break the cycle of hatred that has fueled the conflicts in the story. The decision not to join the war against Marley alongside the Mid-East Allied Forces could be a strategic choice, considering the potential consequences of escalating hostilities.
Different characters in the series have diverse perspectives, and the story often challenges traditional notions of good and evil, right and wrong. It's part of what makes "Attack on Titan" a thought-provoking and emotionally impactful series. It's okay to have conflicting feelings about the characters and their choices; that complexity is a deliberate aspect of the narrative.
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I'm tired so I misread the title as "Analyzing Zeke Yaeger's Armpits," and the thumbnail for the video did nothing to clear up that mistake.
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Eren could understand whether Ymir was going through??so what did eren understand you didn’t answer that
One of the only parts of the finale I liked from beginning to end.
Watching your video made me realize something about Ymir and Eren, and why Zeke couldn't connect to Ymir like Eren did. It's because both Eren and Ymir use their Titans for the ones they love. Zeke doesn't have a driving force like that, he has a goal yes, but he doesn't understand the deep devotion and basically obsession the other two have for the people they love. That scene with Ymir looking at Fritz? That longing and desire to have the attention of the one you pine for, and to support them in their dreams, I think Ymir was looking for someone that understood that.
But it's obviously unhealthy. Fritz basically groomed her. He didn't actually care about her.
And I think that's why when Mikasa came into Ymir's view it was such a wakeup call for her.
Here's the person that Eren is In love with, obsessed with. Here is Eren's Fritz.
But Mikasa is nothing like Fritz, and I think Ymir Realizes this. Mikasa has morals, she cares about people, and she's devoted to Eren just as much as he is to her. If anything Eren is the Fritz of the relationship, Eren is the one choosing genocide. Eren is the one repeating the cycle, and in turn Ymir is too.
I think that's why Mikasa had such an impact on her. I think that's why Mikasa giving up Eren for the good of the world but still loving him until the end allowed Ymir to let go. Just like Mikasa, Ymir finally let go of Fritz. She can still hold her love for him, but also hold the fact that he was a negative impact on the world, and in turn she was as well.
AoT's story is a beautiful one of breaking cycles, holding life precious, and loving deeply.
I will have liked seeing all the other out comes and decide by myself as a viewer whiche was better
I saw from a RUclipsr named Hangeus. She said that attack on Titan chapter 17 in another life is out. I don’t know if it is really out. But I wanted to tell you about if it is the new chapter of attack on titan.
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"...WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY IT IS."
"IF ONLY REALIZED THAT EARLIER."
Because Zeke had lived in his story.
Playing catch is a event, not story.
Why does not Eren realize that ?
He still lives in his story.
Attack on Titan is the Rashomon effect.
They live in each stories.
They are true stories for them.
I’m still confuse as to how did zeke dying stop the rumbling 🤷♂️
Because eren needed to in make contact with a human/titan with royal blood to use the founding titan, zeke dying meant eren wasn't in contact anymore
@@chef8199 he needed Zeke to be a stand in for the king as a royal, as she was bound to obey the kings offspring. After she chose to help Eren and disobey Zeke’s wishes, there shouldn’t have needed to be a royal. That’s the story the way I understood it up to that point, and I think it’s a fair question that has been left vague by the author.
@@chef8199 yeah he didn’t need royal blood anymore Yamir already made her choice
@@goose5761 facts
question guys, i just genuinely want to understand, this isn’t a criticism. if ymir followed eren’s directions instead of zeke’s & started the rumbling, why did the rumbling stop when levi killed zeke?
Hallugenia biological connection I think , still needed to access paths and royal blood biologally