Even *this* 4th movement is technically slow relative to Beethoven's metronome marking -- whole note = 84! This performance clocks in closer to 75, even 70 at times. Still, no one else seems to have the courage to even approach Orozco-Estrada's already slightly slow tempo and it's a huge disappointment. At this speed the movement just flies past with unmatched vigor and light-footedness. I can't listen to most other interpretations at all as they just slog all over the place. This orchestra also does an amazing job staying incredibly crisp and tight even at such a tempo. These are some absolutely world class players. And it seems like no matter which Beethoven symphony he touches, Orozco-Estrada always does a fantastic job bringing out its lighter side, producing some amazingly dance-like interpretations. The entire rest of the symphony is also just so wonderfully and tastefully done. What a wonderful achievement.
@@davidcarter3049 Paavo Järvi with the Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie Bremen reaches 84, it sounds fantastic. Järvi also has a performance of it with the Frankfurters, just a little bit faster than Orozco Estrada. Harnoncourt with the Chamber Orchestra of Europe is about the same tempo as Orozco Estrada (Harnoncourt is one of AOE's heros).
ruclips.net/video/djaOif5zHzI/видео.html Imo the best interpretation of Beethoven's 4th piano concerto. Unlikely, but maybe I will see your comment there as well.
@@organman52 This the conductor, as he chooses to lead the orchestra, his tempo (speed), which instruments we hear among the most and other little details.
#8 makes me happy. I can't help but smile from the opening bars to the last. This particular conductor / orchestra combo captures its positive energy perfectly!
Hi I love the 8th also. Have recently been listening to this conductor and orchestra, I really like them. I find Beethoven’s 4th symphony to be incredibly happy and joyous. May I suggest the performance with Leonard Bernstein on RUclips or the performance with Claudio Abbado also on RUclips. The 4th starts out dark but Beethoven tricks you and takes you on a great ride. Enjoy!
That reaction is precisely what Beethoven wants you to do and was doing so himself when he wrote his "little symphony in F". The "bigger" one being No 6 !!! He actually goes backwards from the 7th and almost makes fun of Haydn & Mozart. It's a very underestimated piece.
Orozco-Estrada has fast become one of my favorite conductors. He brings such freshness to time honored works. I feel as though I have hearing them for the first time.
@@tonkaGuy888 Every masterpieces remains 'fresh' for eternity. I for one routinely listen to the same works dozens of times and each time it sounds like the first time.
Hmmm , I thought that the older you get the more time you might have to listen . Anyways , looking forward to seeing and hearing this tomorrow night January 13 , Chicago Symphony
For me, there's a "sweet spot" that is definitely not too fast (if too hurried, it's impossible for the musicians to produce all the nuances) Pre-- 1980s: too ponderous. 1990s: too technically "advanced"= too fast; brittle. But this century, some PERFECT RENDITIONS.
always, he is in communication with the folks in the orchestra... eye contact and a nod... or... he is playing each piece in his mind, all at once... it's boggling... he is not so much telling them what and when... he's asking... it's mutual cooperation at its very very best Peace ✌☮
Dear Cameraman You need to show the cellist at least once in the end of 3rd mov. From Takt 46 where the Horn soli repeats. Jesus christ that was so good cello!!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 15:57 Edit: 16:47 it shows 🤣 Who is this guy??
It is easy to understand how his contemporaries and later composers would feel daunted to enter into this particular arena. His mastery of the form is so evident. These symphonies put on offer by the Frankfurt Radio Symphony are such fine performances. I'm a huge fan of this orchestra and this conductor. Thank you so much for offering these wonderful videos.
It was brilliant! Andrés is a 42 years old Colombian Director, resident in Vienna, Austria. He will conduct the Vienna Symphony Orchestra from 2021, replacing the Swiss Philippe Jordan and for a period of five years.
Andres and my favorite orchestra pull off another coup. The last movement was just thrilling. I can't get enough of it. I listen to it almost every morning to set my mood for the coming day.
That's how I'm feeling, too! Couldn't face overdue cleaning up kitchen without Beethoven's 7th, or his 8th. Wonderful to discover Andrés Orozco-Estrada's orchestra!
I have just discovered this version of the work and it has immediately become my favorite : each instrumental group is so perfectly distinct from the other, very lively !
Sehr schwungvoll und präzise, mit großem Engagement dargeboten. Dirigent und Orchester bestens aufeinander eingestimmt. Kann m. E. mit den "ganz Großen“ gut mithalten.
Kann ich nur zustimmen. Die Wirkung wird noch dadurch unterstützt, dass ventillose Hörner und Trompeten verwendet werden (zu sehen ab 6:05) - ähnlich übrigens bei der Deutschen Kammerphilharmonie unter Paavo Järvi - dort nur mit ventillosen Trompeten, aber mit Ventilhörnern.
Mais uma preciosidade. Dá gosto ver a interpretação de Andrés Orozco-Estrada com a HR. Firme no andamento, não deixa cair a velocidade e a expressividade. Um presente para todos os ouvintes. Gravação de Excelência!!! Altíssimo nível. BRAVO!!!
1st movement 0:36 begins 2nd movement 9:27 begins 3rd movement 13:46 begins 4th movement 18:31 begins | 19:44 preview of end | 25:04 begin end | 25:14 |
I very much like Andres, he is a great conductor and deserves more recognition, I like it’s similar in style to the great maestro Karajan . Brilliant symphony as well
The eight symphony brings to mind that extremely sage statement by Plato: “What is needed are not long or short speeches but speeches which are of the right length.” This symphony fills the bill, deluxe! PWG. P.S. I also perceive the first movement is that “Intergalactic Waltz.”
Excelente interpretación, en el más puro sentido beethoveniano. Un ¡Bravo! a la Orquesta y otro a su Director. Esta octava sinfonía es una de mis preferidas. Gracias por compartir tanta belleza y tanto arte. Me encanta tan exquisita "precisión".
It's not like I don't thoroughly enjoy the 9th and 5th, the 3rd and 6th, but more Beethoven please! I was really looking forward to the off-the-beaten-path Beethoven performances hat were lined up for his 250th anniversary year, didn't happen...
BRAVO!!! Ich liebe diese wundervolle Musik, vom super Meister Andre's Orozco-Estrada mit seinem exzellentem Orchester..Absolut Perfekt! Einfach Brillant. Sie macht mir sehr viel Freude. Herzlichen Dank für diesen wunderbaren Musikgenuss..ich liebe es
Your assumption lacks credibility resulting from your inability to comprehend and appropriate the genius of the depth that Beethoven achieved through the correct placement and employment of simple musical procedures. Perhaps you missed one of your "Music Appreciation" classes...?
I listened to #8 months before going to an orchestral concert where it's performed and I didn't thought much about it at first. But then I saw it live and I can't help but smiling and be excited from the beginning to the last bar. Oh Wonderful Beethoven and what an amazing performance from Paavo Järvi/ Paris Orchestra, I felt truly lucky!
Orozco Estrada is one of my favourite conductors. I would prefer some more excitement in some sections of the allegro ( he is sober, sometimes too much) but the overall result is outstanding.
@@stevenphillips2327 He emptied the spit. Modern trumpets have spit valves but they chose to use natural trumpets, which were used in the days of Beethoven.
This conductor exudes enormous competence and an equally great friendliness. Both make Beethoven's music sparkle.
Estoy muy de acuerdo.
And - he is unnecessary.
@@organman52 what?
0:36 - I. Allegro vivace e con brio
9:28 - II. Allegretto scherzando
13:47 - III. Tempo di Menuetto
18:31 - IV. Allegro vivace
Thank you for the time stamps mate
HVALA!
いいがにた
Even *this* 4th movement is technically slow relative to Beethoven's metronome marking -- whole note = 84! This performance clocks in closer to 75, even 70 at times. Still, no one else seems to have the courage to even approach Orozco-Estrada's already slightly slow tempo and it's a huge disappointment. At this speed the movement just flies past with unmatched vigor and light-footedness. I can't listen to most other interpretations at all as they just slog all over the place. This orchestra also does an amazing job staying incredibly crisp and tight even at such a tempo. These are some absolutely world class players. And it seems like no matter which Beethoven symphony he touches, Orozco-Estrada always does a fantastic job bringing out its lighter side, producing some amazingly dance-like interpretations. The entire rest of the symphony is also just so wonderfully and tastefully done. What a wonderful achievement.
I think John Eliot Gardener’s recording of this might be a little faster
@@davidcarter3049 Paavo Järvi with the Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie Bremen reaches 84, it sounds fantastic. Järvi also has a performance of it with the Frankfurters, just a little bit faster than Orozco Estrada. Harnoncourt with the Chamber Orchestra of Europe is about the same tempo as Orozco Estrada (Harnoncourt is one of AOE's heros).
I normally don't comment on RUclips videos, but this is far and away the best Beethoven 8 I've ever heard. Love this interpretation.
ruclips.net/video/djaOif5zHzI/видео.html
Imo the best interpretation of Beethoven's 4th piano concerto.
Unlikely, but maybe I will see your comment there as well.
❤
How exactly is it an 'interpretation?'
@@organman52
This the conductor, as he chooses to lead the orchestra, his tempo (speed), which instruments we hear among the most and other little details.
@@matmm75006hogwash
#8 makes me happy. I can't help but smile from the opening bars to the last. This particular conductor / orchestra combo captures its positive energy perfectly!
Hi I love the 8th also. Have recently been listening to this conductor and orchestra, I really like them. I find Beethoven’s 4th symphony to be incredibly happy and joyous. May I suggest the performance with Leonard Bernstein on RUclips or the performance with Claudio Abbado also on RUclips. The 4th starts out dark but Beethoven tricks you and takes you on a great ride. Enjoy!
That reaction is precisely what Beethoven wants you to do and was doing so himself when he wrote his "little symphony in F". The "bigger" one being No 6 !!! He actually goes backwards from the 7th and almost makes fun of Haydn & Mozart. It's a very underestimated piece.
@@katrinat.3032 Same here. Only a genius could've compose a master piece like this. Synonym of genius = Beethoven.
This Frankfurt audience should get off their butts and give their symphony a standing ovation!!
The german soul expresses its emotion in classical music. In body language we are a bit reluctant. 😉
I have seen footage from the 1940s that makes me question your claim.😉
@@kurtgodel5236ach komm hör auf
@@beethoven007 You started it! You invaded Poland.😂
@@kurtgodel5236 not a cool take in a world where Germans try to do better than their grand-grand-grandparents
Orozco-Estrada has fast become one of my favorite conductors. He brings such freshness to time honored works. I feel as though I have hearing them for the first time.
oh please. That is like saying that the symphony itself is not fresh. Ridiculous.
it is not fresh. it ages well with time
@@organman52 What else that's over 200 years old would you consider fresh?
@@tonkaGuy888 Every masterpieces remains 'fresh' for eternity. I for one routinely listen to the same works dozens of times and each time it sounds like the first time.
I love the fast tempo of the first movement. I guess the older I get the less time I have to listen to it and I need to play faster music I like.
Hmmm , I thought that the older you get the more time you might have to listen . Anyways , looking forward to seeing and hearing this tomorrow night January 13 , Chicago Symphony
For me, there's a "sweet spot" that is definitely not too fast (if too hurried, it's impossible for the musicians to produce all the nuances) Pre-- 1980s: too ponderous. 1990s: too technically "advanced"= too fast; brittle. But this century, some PERFECT RENDITIONS.
Don't think I got your logic. But whatever, if it saves one minute of your life by the faster tempo of the 1st movement, then yes. lol.
Orozco is fast becoming my favorite conductor.
y me... me mucho gusto
always, he is in communication with the folks in the orchestra... eye contact and a nod... or... he is playing each piece in his mind, all at once... it's boggling... he is not so much telling them what and when... he's asking... it's mutual cooperation at its very very best
Peace ✌☮
we make beautiful music through mutual cooperation.... it's a good thing 😌
Digo lo mismo.
Really cool and energetic style
Dear Cameraman
You need to show the cellist at least once in the end of 3rd mov. From Takt 46 where the Horn soli repeats.
Jesus christ that was so good cello!!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
15:57
Edit:
16:47 it shows 🤣
Who is this guy??
I'm a little late, but it's floris mijnders from the munich philharmonic
Perfect, absolutely perfect the "tempo". As that in the Eroica!
Congratulations to the excellent Orchestra and Maestro Orozco!
Stopped notes are perfect. I'm sure many don't even notice them.
It is easy to understand how his contemporaries and later composers would feel daunted to enter into this particular arena. His mastery of the form is so evident. These symphonies put on offer by the Frankfurt Radio Symphony are such fine performances. I'm a huge fan of this orchestra and this conductor. Thank you so much for offering these wonderful videos.
It was brilliant! Andrés is a 42 years old Colombian Director, resident in Vienna, Austria. He will conduct the Vienna Symphony Orchestra from 2021, replacing the Swiss Philippe Jordan and for a period of five years.
Thank you for this very interesting information.
Really? How did you find out? I am very curious. Andrés is one of my faves!
Good news, thanks, I didn't know
Me alegro muchísimo.
I just started to follow him. He brings out an excitement in the music. Similar to Dudamel
Andres and my favorite orchestra pull off another coup. The last movement was just thrilling. I can't get enough of it. I listen to it almost every morning to set my mood for the coming day.
That's how I'm feeling, too! Couldn't face overdue cleaning up kitchen without Beethoven's 7th, or his 8th. Wonderful to discover Andrés Orozco-Estrada's orchestra!
Andres and I went to the same preschool, he and his goons used to bully the disabled girl in class.
This is what I love about this profomence the first movement played quick it sounds great and very powerful this orchestra deserves a medel.
World best music symphony my favorite music symphony orchestra world best Beethoven
Sí, es una excelente orquesta.
Ummm
Just the perfect symphony to cheer people up and put a smile on their face in times of isolation.
This is the best Beethoven 8 I ever heard on modern instruments. Bravo!
However we see some natural trumpets in there.
@@diegoherrero4819 and horn
I adore this symphony.
Also nice use of natural brass.
Great to see somebody enjoy this great symphony in 2022!
What a fantastic recording!
congratulations for getting nominated for the Grammys 2022
In an emergency when I need a Beethoven fix.. The 8th first and last mvt, same with Archduke trio.
このテンポ ダイナミックな演奏 此れぞベートーベン 全て満点だね。
I have just discovered this version of the work and it has immediately become my favorite : each instrumental group is so perfectly distinct from the other, very lively !
Everything as it was in Beethoven's time.
@@ericanderson3534 Truly? what is your source of information?
What a wonderful shot of Andres at the very end.
Bravo, magnifique. Félicitation maestro Orozco !
Finally a Beethoven symphony which I did not remember at all. Wonderful!
Wunderschön!! Wunderbar der Klang dieses Orchesters!! Bravo weiter so !! Sie machen mir so große Freude!! Vielen herzlichen Dank !!
Nice!! I played this in orchestra last year, and I remember the 4th movement was particularly difficult :)
vaya dinámica expresiva no diré más ! y qué orquesta y director ! los felicito a todos por la magnifica ejecución !
Sehr schwungvoll und präzise, mit großem Engagement dargeboten. Dirigent und Orchester bestens aufeinander eingestimmt. Kann m. E. mit den "ganz Großen“ gut mithalten.
Kann ich nur zustimmen. Die Wirkung wird noch dadurch unterstützt, dass ventillose Hörner und Trompeten verwendet werden (zu sehen ab 6:05) - ähnlich übrigens bei der Deutschen Kammerphilharmonie unter Paavo Järvi - dort nur mit ventillosen Trompeten, aber mit Ventilhörnern.
Thank you to each and every one of this prestigious Philharmonic Orchestra. I admire them.
Mais uma preciosidade. Dá gosto ver a interpretação de Andrés Orozco-Estrada com a HR. Firme no andamento, não deixa cair a velocidade e a expressividade. Um presente para todos os ouvintes. Gravação de Excelência!!! Altíssimo nível. BRAVO!!!
Hipnotizante a regência do maestro, de fato.
1st movement
0:36 begins
2nd movement
9:27 begins
3rd movement
13:46 begins
4th movement
18:31 begins | 19:44 preview of end | 25:04 begin end | 25:14 |
MVT 4 - 18:31 Exposition 19:11 Dev #1 19:47 (20:00, 20:20) Dev #2 22:12 Coda 24:30
I very much like Andres, he is a great conductor and deserves more recognition, I like it’s similar in style to the great maestro Karajan . Brilliant symphony as well
The eight symphony brings to mind that extremely sage statement by Plato: “What is needed are not long or short speeches but speeches which are of the right length.” This symphony fills the bill, deluxe! PWG. P.S. I also perceive the first movement is that “Intergalactic Waltz.”
❤ ich liebe dich Ludwig Van Beethoven! 💗 🎩👑🍂💕🕯️🕊️⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐🧙🏻♀️
😮
Excelente. Muy buena interpretación. Excelente la orquesta y muy buena la dirección 👌. Bravo 👌💪
Brilliant, Maestro! Thanks to the orchestra too.
Excelente interpretación, en el más puro sentido beethoveniano. Un ¡Bravo! a la Orquesta y otro a su Director. Esta octava sinfonía es una de mis preferidas. Gracias por compartir tanta belleza y tanto arte. Me encanta tan exquisita "precisión".
I feel like 7 and 8 are Beethoven's "forgotten symphonies." Why does no one play them?? They are fabulous!
Totally agree! Both symphonies are incredible masterpieces!
It's not like I don't thoroughly enjoy the 9th and 5th, the 3rd and 6th, but more Beethoven please! I was really looking forward to the off-the-beaten-path Beethoven performances hat were lined up for his 250th anniversary year, didn't happen...
L'un des meilleurs orchestres a interpreter Beethoven..Brava!!
Many thanks!
Impresionante y divertida 8va Sinfonía de Beethoven.
My early encounter with Beethoven, but something new everytime I listen to it. A jewel from the genius.
Fantastique!
Great! Great!!!
BRAVO!!!
Ich liebe diese wundervolle Musik, vom super Meister Andre's Orozco-Estrada mit seinem exzellentem Orchester..Absolut Perfekt!
Einfach Brillant. Sie macht mir sehr viel Freude. Herzlichen Dank für diesen wunderbaren Musikgenuss..ich liebe es
Great performance.....
Delightful rendition. Thanks a lot
Excelente interpretación. Y con lo hermosa que es la Octava sinfonía de Beethoven. Gracias Andrés.
Spirited lively performance, paced well and finely played
Большое спасибо Франкфуртскому оркестру за концерт.
Absolutamente fantástico!!!! BRAVO!!!!
Excelente versión, diferente
4:49 to 5:44 is probably the most slept on section of any Beethoven Symphony.
A mí me encanta esta sinfonía. Es una de mis preferidas.
Your assumption lacks credibility resulting from your inability to comprehend and appropriate the genius of the depth that Beethoven achieved through the correct placement and employment of simple musical procedures. Perhaps you missed one of your "Music Appreciation" classes...?
WTF are you folks talking about?
Superbe... L Allegro Vivace grandiose et dans l'esprit du Maître. Merci :)
I listened to #8 months before going to an orchestral concert where it's performed and I didn't thought much about it at first. But then I saw it live and I can't help but smiling and be excited from the beginning to the last bar. Oh Wonderful Beethoven and what an amazing performance from Paavo Järvi/ Paris Orchestra, I felt truly lucky!
O forte o suave e o dançante, a magia dos contrastes na música.
Impressionante!! Bravo!!!
Beethoven 8 is the greatest Beethoven.
Very nice interpretation!
Fantastic performance.
Can't get enough of it.
Awesome!
MÜZİK RUHUN GIDASIDIR.
La musique est la nourriture de l'âme.
Great!!!
Wonderful interpretation!
Excepté la neuvième, l'intégrale d'Orozco est un miracle !
Wspaniale. Brawo
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Magnifique 🎉
Bravo!! Beethoven is ALIVE
4:09 Interesting art there...!
Beautiful!
Çok güzel emeğinize sağlık ❤❤❤ 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Orozco Estrada is one of my favourite conductors. I would prefer some more excitement in some sections of the allegro ( he is sober, sometimes too much) but the overall result is outstanding.
Rhythmische und zugleich warmherzige Leistung dieses pseudoklassischen Meisterwerks unter der perfekt artikulierten Leitung vom genialen Dirigenten.
notaire2 Leider hört man aber in der Aufnahme das umblättern der Noten
Beg to differ. I find the tempi on the whole rushed, but I find the phrasing well-nuanced. Hoomeyow!!
Nuancing is cool
Ihr seid genial! Ja!
I especially liked the period brass instruments.
überraschend leichtfüßig. interessante interpretation.
A mí me encanta así, aunque también me gustan las interpretaciones lentas, incluso las muy lentas.
ottimo
저항도 투쟁도 불굴의 의지도 없다.
불현듯 불어온 따뜻한 봄바람에 살짝 들뜨고 설렌 베토벤의 마음을 엿보다
Mükemmel bir eser
Ausgezeichnet
20:42 what did he do?
Hopefully did not drink from it!? Hello World from Australia, stay safe and well. Hope we can see each other soon>
@@stevenphillips2327 He emptied the spit. Modern trumpets have spit valves but they chose to use natural trumpets, which were used in the days of Beethoven.
One of the most crisp and clear performances of the 4th movement out there, Beethoven really was upto something!
“My little symphony” Beethoven called it, “a brilliant diamond” is nearer the truth, yes??
El cuarto movimiento es puro PODER!!!
@23:54 so powerful
4:37 and 20:12 ASU excerpt
très jolie
Baguette
Sinon oui très beau
the second movement sounds familiar. i knew i heard it somewhere but i forgot.
내가 너무 좋아하는 베토벤 교향곡 8번
Underrated
Есть истина , а есть ещё зерна от истины ...что вам лучше и нужнее решайте сами ...ибо выбор с вами всегда ...
что такое слово всегда ? оно обозначает слово воздух ибо Сей есть всегда ...вы можете представить жизнь без оного ??? я - нет .
Deleite auditivo!!!
E' la sinfonia di Beethoven che preferisco, saro' strano pero' questo sento
Anch'io
18:22 that cough was so clean