I love the 8th symphony - so tight and compact. Someone once summed it up by saying how the 9th symphony takes until the 4th movement to explode into joy whereas the 8th does it from the opening measure.
I was about 13 years old when I realised my love for Beethoven and the classical-music world. My dad had set aside his cassets in a box and I was exploring them; much where of different genres. Nad then I played that last casset, Beethoven's 8th symphony. That was it. I knew my self then.
@@Chris-cb4ig Pensare che dopo la settima sinfonia Beethoven cominciò a soffrire di sordità è tipico dei grandi compositori, guarda caso i veri capolavori escono quando i loro autori diventano completamente sordi: e io ripenso a Bedrich Smetana che durante la composizione della raccolta sinfonica 'La mia patria' stava soffrendo di sordità anche lui, tanto che quando scrisse la sua celebre 'Moldava' già non udiva perfettamente, eppure La Moldava diventò un capolavoro conosciuto da tutti.
Isn't it amazing that there are probably less than 50 symphonies in all the world that anyone cares much about! Each of these gems is like a fabulous piece of architecture; a building that we all love and revere. A building that never needs remodeling, and is perfect in every way, always and forever. It never ages, regardless of any new fashion. It lives and breathes and inspires throughout the ages. When this was composed there were no cars, trains, electric lights or telephones. No screens. Beethoven lives forever!
Brilliant execution. Beethoven makes you give 200% of what is expected of you. I see the musicians fight with their instruments as if in a battle. The energy needed to perform the last movement is extraordinary. A dedicated musician would rather die than not give his/her full body and soul full, unwavering commitment so that what Beethoven wrote comes to life and the symphony will ultimately reach the goal of its existence. Thank you, Beethoven. In his sufferings, he gave us the sublime.
Wow! This is the best interpretation and performance of this symphony that I've ever heard. Järvi really understands Beethoven's most misunderstood and underappreciated symphony. And he gets the privilege of conducting the very fine Frankfurt Radio Symphony! We listeners are the fortunate beneficiaries of this recording. Thank you!
Wow! is right. I've never heard it done better! And I'm particular about performances of this-actually my favorite Beethoven symphony of all, believe it or not. 🙂
Notice at 20:38 the extra long, unexpected pauses. They make you hold your breath. Brilliant decision. After the 3rd and 7th, this my favourite symphony. When asked by his pupil Carl Czerny why the Eighth was less popular than the Seventh, Beethoven is said to have replied, "because the Eighth is so much better."
@@ultimateconstruction Yes but to be fair, whether or not Beethoven ever actually said those words, it is a famous enough quote. Wikipedia cites "The Symphony: a listeners guide". pp. 44-47. Oxford University Press, 1995 (Michael Steinberg) as a source for this, but in any event, a quick google search returns ample evidence from credible sources that Beethoven is reputed to have said this.
Paavo Järvi ist ein genialer Beethoveninterpret. Im Unterschied zur 7. und 9. Sinfonie tobt in der 8. Sinfonie kein Krieg, kein erbitterter und leidvoller Kampf der Menschen. Es geht vielleicht hier mehr um uns selbst, als Einzelner. Wie frei und souverän sind wir? Ludwig zeigt es uns: er ist außerordentlich frei und macht, was er will, voller Energie und Originalität. Auch voller Ironie und Humor über sich selbst uns seinen Beruf als Komponist. Sehr oft läßt er die Musik in eine Sackgasse oder gegen eine Wand laufen. Er macht sich über die Formen und Stile lustig. Die Leichtigkeit der Musik ist so schwer zu spielen, dass die meisten Orchester verkrampfen oder die Musik zu seicht und flach interpretieren. Paavo dirigiert mit großer Leichtigkeit, Elastizität, Ausdruckskraft und Eleganz. Das Orchester kommt hörbar nicht an seine Grenzen. Im Finale des 4. Satzes kündigt sich kurz die 9. Sinfonie an, so als ob der Humor zu Ende wäre. Diese Sinfonie ist ein sehr guter Test, um die Klasse eines Orchesters zu prüfen. Paavo ist richtiger Vollblutmusikus, bei ihm ist die Musik völlig frei und nach allen Seiten ungezwungen offen.
So wunderbar gesagt, lieber Alexander . . . mit so viel Liebe und Sachverstand !! Ja, nur ein GENIE kann ein anderes Genie erkennen . . . womöglich bist du ja auch eines (Musiker, Maler, Philosoph?)
So, here's Beethoven sitting at his piano and he decides to experiment with the dynamics of sound and tempo. Simply brilliantly wonderful. Can't stop smiling!
This outstanding orchestra has given me such great pleasure during the pandemic by making so many full length videos available on RUclips. This is a wonderful performance of an under appreciated symphony. I've been giving special attention to even numbered Beethoven symphonies that get less attention and have loved the experience. So fine! Thanks for this beautiful rendition... filled with joy. And as always done with great skill. The camera work and sound production are outstanding.
I couldn't agree more with you Curtis. I felt the same. Thanks for the orchestra, and the wonderful team that make possible this very well filmed and edited videos. Greetings from Mexico City.
You are so right Curtis. These musicians are regularly so humble . . . since everyone is just a tiny part of a great orchestra . . . and yes, go on listening to master Beethoven ! He once said "He who hears my compositions will never EVER be depressed any more . . . My secret additional tip concerning Paavo as conductor: His wonderful NOTRE DAME interpretation (Franz Schmidt) Good luck to you !
P. Järvi has greatly influenced and shaped the HR SO as we know it today. He seems to be very beloved by both orchestra and audience. All sections, simply impeccable playing. At 14:20, the solo cello played in such masterly fashion, with perfect integration with the winds. Dynamics, rubattos... all there, perfect example of chamber music played within the orchestra. Listen again carefully if you will. Thank you HR SO for sharing such joyful videos.
I love this so much! Maestro Jaervi knows how to do a Beethoven..This symphony is full of really magic and very funny moments, but I think in time 22:17, that is something brilliant and exceptional!!! This transition from F sharp minor to F major, without any transposition!!! That is something amazing, never happened in music before Beethoven..I love this. (listen to this passage from approx. 22:00 and enjoy the moment later..).
A great joyful symphony which is a bit less famous than 5th, 6th, 7th and 9th by the same composer. But still a masterwork, and thanks again to the orchestra.
It is strange that there has been no Beethoven in recent decades. Today we probably have brilliant composers composing for other brilliant composers. But Beethoven is there for everyone, for amateurs (like me) and for true geniuses. 😊
The conductor certainly understands the role of double basses in this work. If you just concentrate on the bassline it's already a very enjoyable performance to listen to. Holding tune under a huge commotion above is just superb.
Absolutely. At 25:12 the cellist was asked to take a bow and was resoundingly applauded by the audience, and orchestra stamping their feet. Well deserved.
Wunderschöne und spannende Aufführung dieser pseudoklassischen doch perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit seidigen Tönen aller Streicher, milden Tönen aller Holzbläser und brillanten Tönen aller Blechbläser. Der zweite Satz klingt echt rhythmisch und auch erfreulich. Im Kontrast klingt der dritte Satz echt elegant und auch bezaubernd. Endlich kommt das begeisternde und übezeugende Finale. Der intelligente und geniale Maestro dirigiert das ausgezeichnete Orchester im relativ schnellen Tempo und mit möglichst effektiver Dynamik. Wunderbar und atemberaubend zugleich!
In den Schatten gestellt ist wohl etwas übertrieben. Ich würde so sagen: das HR-Sinfonieorchester gehört mit zu den Besten der Welt. Ich bin mir sicher, das wird auch so bleiben.
The fifth symphony played by the Ekseption was recoded in 1969 and the youngs of this year didn't wait "The Saturday Night Fever" for dancing rock and jerk on this Ekseptional cover! Beethoven couldn't say "no" to the using of his music for advertising and more with the misleading reason of making it famous among a larger number of people! The Doors were even more lucky because Jim Morrison asked for his music never be used in ads and his wishes has been respected
Anno 2025 ci avviciniamo ai 255 della nascita di Beethoven, che avrà culmine il 16 dicembre, giorno del 'compleanno' del grande artista. Mentre invece stanno per finire i 200 anni di Bedrich Smetana.
Dommage d'avoir supprimé plusieurs vidéos dont au moins 3 avec Hilary Hahn. Je ne pense pas que cela provienne de mon ordinateur. A noter que les 3 vidéos en question dataient d'1 an environ voire moins.
Je me réponds à moi-même : je suppose que cette suppression correspond à l'annonce de la parution le 7 octobre prochain du disque "ECLIPSE" enregistré par Hilary et Andrés dont deux extraits (superbes) sont déjà disponibles sur diverses plateformes numériques. Je me remercie de m'être répondu !!!
Jarvi in attack mode!, almost swallowing the first measure in his haste to win the race with Toscanini and Mengelberg, while along the way missing some of their warmth and character, not to mention their humor. He may have followed Beethoven's metronome markings, but certainly not my internal ones. I couldn't relax.
Your iternal markings are seriously off then. I heard Klemperer conduct it slow and at this speed and guess which is the better performance. The 8th loses all it's humour when the tempi are dragging. And I still can't for the life of me understand why 35 years after Norrington and Gardiner and others recorded, people still think this is being rushed. THIS is is how it is supposed to sound. Everything else is just too slow. Karajan, a drag. Solti, sleep inducing. Previn, boring.
If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times… people who complain when classical music is played “too fast” are dinosaurs who need to die out. They stand in the way of progress.
@@CFDavid847 I have no way of even beginning to understand what you're trying to say even if you repeat it a million times. What I think you ARE saying is that in different eras or times, interpretative styles change with prevailing preferences, often without regard to, and/or knowledge of, performance practices in use at the time the music in question was written. While that, admittedly, may not rightly be called "progress", it does reflect the resultant capacity to realize that great music can withstand - triumph over - any change in manner of interpretation that the years may impose upon it. In other words, I agree with you that such a stance is not progress, and if you read my original remarks, you'll also realize that I wasn't complaining about Jarvi's tempo choices, but only of his (relative) failure to imbue them with the amount of warmth, character, and humor, that Toscanini and Melgelberg did. I'm not a score reader, so I readily admit that all three conductors could be well within any indicated tempo markings. "...haste to win the race", was merely a rhetorical phrase used to indicate that tempo, after all, is not the real issue.
I love the 8th symphony - so tight and compact. Someone once summed it up by saying how the 9th symphony takes until the 4th movement to explode into joy whereas the 8th does it from the opening measure.
Comme un retour de jeunesse ... Mais avec un Beethoven murit et TOTALEMENT génial dans ce qu il compose .
I was about 13 years old when I realised my love for Beethoven and the classical-music world. My dad had set aside his cassets in a box and I was exploring them; much where of different genres. Nad then I played that last casset, Beethoven's 8th symphony. That was it. I knew my self then.
I hope that listening to Beethoven will make the world peaceful.🙂
It DOES mate ! Dont forget his 9th: "All men will be brothers! "
I hope too. Et pourtant Beethoven pouvait être bagarreur ( pour la bonne cause )
@@Chris-cb4ig Pensare che dopo la settima sinfonia Beethoven cominciò a soffrire di sordità è tipico dei grandi compositori, guarda caso i veri capolavori escono quando i loro autori diventano completamente sordi: e io ripenso a Bedrich Smetana che durante la composizione della raccolta sinfonica 'La mia patria' stava soffrendo di sordità anche lui, tanto che quando scrisse la sua celebre 'Moldava' già non udiva perfettamente, eppure La Moldava diventò un capolavoro conosciuto da tutti.
It hasn't yet, and I don't see how it could. But I still enjoy the symphony and the world - even as it is.
Isn't it amazing that there are probably less than 50 symphonies in all the world that anyone cares much about! Each of these gems is like a fabulous piece of architecture; a building that we all love and revere. A building that never needs remodeling, and is perfect in every way, always and forever. It never ages, regardless
of any new fashion. It lives and breathes and inspires throughout the ages. When this was composed there were no cars, trains, electric lights or telephones. No screens.
Beethoven lives forever!
👏 🙏 🤝 👍Bravissimo ! Such a wonderful statement . . .
E non c'erano nemmeno gli amplifon: se per un caso diventavi sordo dovevi andare ad orecchio. E Beethoven era un grande proprio per questo motivo.
Brilliant execution. Beethoven makes you give 200% of what is expected of you. I see the musicians fight with their instruments as if in a battle. The energy needed to perform the last movement is extraordinary. A dedicated musician would rather die than not give his/her full body and soul full, unwavering commitment so that what Beethoven wrote comes to life and the symphony will ultimately reach the goal of its existence. Thank you, Beethoven. In his sufferings, he gave us the sublime.
En effet , Beethoven était comme cela ... On comprend mieux sa sympathie pour le général Bonaparte .. Je n ai pas dit Napoleon .
@@Chris-cb4ig E' forse un riferimento alla sinfonia detta 'L'Eroica', vero?
The 9th may end with the Ode to Joy. But the 8th is pure Joy from beginning to end.
It definately is Beethoven's cheekiest symphony. It's like he is poking fun at Haydn's model of the symphony.
@@Quotenwagnerianer And Haydn not only gets the joke but is laughing along with Luigi.
Wow! This is the best interpretation and performance of this symphony that I've ever heard. Järvi really understands Beethoven's most misunderstood and underappreciated symphony. And he gets the privilege of conducting the very fine Frankfurt Radio Symphony! We listeners are the fortunate beneficiaries of this recording. Thank you!
I think Parvi helped to make it what it is.
Sorri, Jarvi!
Cello 🤣
Wow! is right. I've never heard it done better! And I'm particular about performances of this-actually my favorite Beethoven symphony of all, believe it or not. 🙂
Nothing compared to Toscanini
Notice at 20:38 the extra long, unexpected pauses. They make you hold your breath. Brilliant decision. After the 3rd and 7th, this my favourite symphony. When asked by his pupil Carl Czerny why the Eighth was less popular than the Seventh, Beethoven is said to have replied, "because the Eighth is so much better."
Wow interesting, source?
@@ultimateconstruction Yes but to be fair, whether or not Beethoven ever actually said those words, it is a famous enough quote. Wikipedia cites "The Symphony: a listeners guide". pp. 44-47. Oxford University Press, 1995 (Michael Steinberg) as a source for this, but in any event, a quick google search returns ample evidence from credible sources that Beethoven is reputed to have said this.
Paavo Järvi ist ein genialer Beethoveninterpret. Im Unterschied zur 7. und 9. Sinfonie tobt in der 8. Sinfonie kein Krieg, kein erbitterter und leidvoller Kampf der Menschen. Es geht vielleicht hier mehr um uns selbst, als Einzelner. Wie frei und souverän sind wir? Ludwig zeigt es uns: er ist außerordentlich frei und macht, was er will, voller Energie und Originalität. Auch voller Ironie und Humor über sich selbst uns seinen Beruf als Komponist. Sehr oft läßt er die Musik in eine Sackgasse oder gegen eine Wand laufen. Er macht sich über die Formen und Stile lustig. Die Leichtigkeit der Musik ist so schwer zu spielen, dass die meisten Orchester verkrampfen oder die Musik zu seicht und flach interpretieren. Paavo dirigiert mit großer Leichtigkeit, Elastizität, Ausdruckskraft und Eleganz. Das Orchester kommt hörbar nicht an seine Grenzen. Im Finale des 4. Satzes kündigt sich kurz die 9. Sinfonie an, so als ob der Humor zu Ende wäre. Diese Sinfonie ist ein sehr guter Test, um die Klasse eines Orchesters zu prüfen. Paavo ist richtiger Vollblutmusikus, bei ihm ist die Musik völlig frei und nach allen Seiten ungezwungen offen.
So wunderbar gesagt, lieber Alexander . . . mit so viel Liebe und Sachverstand !! Ja, nur ein GENIE kann ein anderes Genie erkennen . . . womöglich bist du ja auch eines (Musiker, Maler, Philosoph?)
I always love Paavo Jarvi's spirited conducting!
So, here's Beethoven sitting at his piano and he decides to experiment with the dynamics of sound and tempo. Simply brilliantly wonderful. Can't stop smiling!
Albeit he was fully deaf at this point so it was a conceptual thing.
Nice statement Vinny ! Master Ludwig once said he who has understand his music never EVER can be depressed . . . .
ｈｒ 少なくともベートーヴェンに関しては現代最高のオーケストラだね 指揮者が違ってもみんな魅力的な演奏なのもすごい
This outstanding orchestra has given me such great pleasure during the pandemic by making so many full length videos available on RUclips. This is a wonderful performance of an under appreciated symphony. I've been giving special attention to even numbered Beethoven symphonies that get less attention and have loved the experience. So fine! Thanks for this beautiful rendition... filled with joy. And as always done with great skill. The camera work and sound production are outstanding.
I couldn't agree more with you Curtis. I felt the same. Thanks for the orchestra, and the wonderful team that make possible this very well filmed and edited videos. Greetings from Mexico City.
I second that emotion! Thank you all, h-r!
You are so right Curtis. These musicians are regularly so humble . . . since everyone is just a tiny part of a great orchestra . . . and yes, go on listening to master Beethoven ! He once said "He who hears my compositions will never EVER be depressed any more . . .
My secret additional tip concerning Paavo as conductor: His wonderful NOTRE DAME interpretation (Franz Schmidt) Good luck to you !
@@martincaracoche4657 EL VIVA MEXICO ! So great to see fans of classical music world wide . . .
Interpretazione precisa, pulita e allo stesso tempo armoniosa e piacevole...
Bravo Maestro Järvi e brava l'orchestra sinfonica HR!
A wonderful performance of this elegant symphony! Thank you!
Such a good, clear reading of this symphony. Bravo.
快適なテンポ。透明な音、気分のよくなる熱演に大満足！ウキウキうれしくなる８番を聞けて幸せ。ヤルヴィの解釈に新鮮さと深みがある。オケも優秀で見事。
P. Järvi has greatly influenced and shaped the HR SO as we know it today. He seems to be very beloved by both orchestra and audience. All sections, simply impeccable playing.
At 14:20, the solo cello played in such masterly fashion, with perfect integration with the winds. Dynamics, rubattos... all there, perfect example of chamber music played within the orchestra. Listen again carefully if you will.
Thank you HR SO for sharing such joyful videos.
great cello playing in the trio, but a lighthearted yet firm boo is merited to the film editors for not giving any visuals!
This is german precision and quality at its best (imho)
I love this so much! Maestro Jaervi knows how to do a Beethoven..This symphony is full of really magic and very funny moments, but I think in time 22:17, that is something brilliant and exceptional!!! This transition from F sharp minor to F major, without any transposition!!! That is something amazing, never happened in music before Beethoven..I love this. (listen to this passage from approx. 22:00 and enjoy the moment later..).
Díky!! Paavo Järvi kombinuje sílu a virtuozitu:)
I love 8th symphony of beethoven and paavo jarvi is my favorite conductor.
thanks for this channel.
A great joyful symphony which is a bit less famous than 5th, 6th, 7th and 9th by the same composer. But still a masterwork, and thanks again to the orchestra.
Thank you for posting this a little "forgotten" symphony by Beethoven. I specially like the Allegro vivace at 16:50.
I thank Paavo and his wunderbar orchestra very VERY much. So overwhelmingly well done ! Without sweet music I would have been gone long ago . . .
Maravillosa orquesta !!! Maravilloso teatro !!!!!! El mejor nivel musical !!!!
Buenos dias ! ! !
Quel Orchestre !! Quelle Direction !!!!!!
It is strange that there has been no Beethoven in recent decades. Today we probably have brilliant composers composing for other brilliant composers. But Beethoven is there for everyone, for amateurs (like me) and for true geniuses. 😊
Schwungvoll, bei elegischer Linie mit sanftem Anhub.Schön zu hören.
When I want to introduce my son to one of Beethoven's symphonies, I look for Paavo Järvi.
The conductor certainly understands the role of double basses in this work. If you just concentrate on the bassline it's already a very enjoyable performance to listen to. Holding tune under a huge commotion above is just superb.
Lovely symphony
Wonderful 8th!!!
Carl Czerny asked the Master, "why does the public love the 8th symphony less than the 7th?" The Master: "Because it's so much better."
Yes it is.
Such an underrated symphony.
Ninth Symphony, an Ode to Joy.
Eighth Symphony, a truly Joyous Ode.
Under Maestro Järvi's baton, this symphony is uplifting!
Yes Maurice ! Master Ludwig himself would´ve cherished it VERY much !!!
Wonderful. Go to THIER concerts THIER great. BRAVO BRAVO
1st movement
0:04 begins |
They should re-edit the video at 14:22 to show the impressively played and wildly difficult cello except :)
Absolutely. At 25:12 the cellist was asked to take a bow and was resoundingly applauded by the audience, and orchestra stamping their feet. Well deserved.
14:19 horn
یادش به خیر سی سال پیش با واکمن سونی گوش میدادم این شاهکار را
me encanta ese ritmo afrancesado que tiene esta melodía muy relajante y hermosa
Brilliant performance!!!
Muhteşemdi. Kendimi akışına bıraktım. Özel bir ruh coşması...
Kõik, mida Paavo Järvi puudutab, muutub kullaks!
Wonderful!
14:20
I read this was Beethoven’s favorite symphony
Wunderschöne und spannende Aufführung dieser pseudoklassischen doch perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit seidigen Tönen aller Streicher, milden Tönen aller Holzbläser und brillanten Tönen aller Blechbläser. Der zweite Satz klingt echt rhythmisch und auch erfreulich. Im Kontrast klingt der dritte Satz echt elegant und auch bezaubernd. Endlich kommt das begeisternde und übezeugende Finale. Der intelligente und geniale Maestro dirigiert das ausgezeichnete Orchester im relativ schnellen Tempo und mit möglichst effektiver Dynamik. Wunderbar und atemberaubend zugleich!
ach, ich hatte Sie schon vermisst.
👏 🙏 🤝 👍 besser und schöner kann auch ich es nicht ausdrücken . . .
Well done!
Extraordinário!
Tja, da hat der hr doch glatt die Berliner Philharmoniker in den Schatten gestellt 😍
In den Schatten gestellt ist wohl etwas übertrieben. Ich würde so sagen: das HR-Sinfonieorchester gehört mit zu den Besten der Welt. Ich bin mir sicher, das wird auch so bleiben.
@@tribonian3875 Werden somit der guten alten Goethestadt voll gerecht
14:20
clarinet excerpt
bravo!
Bella sinfonia: ce l'avevo su un vecchio nastro.
Maestosa sin dall'inizio, nel tipico stile beethoveniano.
Clarinet Excerpt
14:20
22:07 magic
00:04
03:48
04:00
04:13
05:57
07:12
14:27
Sublime
4kなら電気屋さんのテレビに、デモ映像で流されるかもしれませんね
Interesing speed.
👍👍👍
They switched clarinets and bassoons?!
Bravi
No es muy conocida 😃 pero tiene como todas sus sinfonías el regusto Beethoven
excerpt 20:00 !!
Felicidades..... .....
. . . con mucho BRIO !
why doesn’t the description show a list of the musicians involved? they deserve it, no?
Absolutely ! Every single one is a proud part of it !
The fifth symphony played by the Ekseption was recoded in 1969 and the youngs of this year didn't wait "The Saturday Night Fever" for dancing rock and jerk on this Ekseptional cover! Beethoven couldn't say "no" to the using of his music for advertising and more with the misleading reason of making it famous among a larger number of people! The Doors were even more lucky because Jim Morrison asked for his music never be used in ads and his wishes has been respected
14:25
14:25
14:25
I like to watch Sebastián play the flute.
Me parece a única peça clássica do Beethoven!Fez as pazes com o período anterior
4:22
20/20
👏
自分用
14:28
空いてるのが驚き😮
beni tanrıya en yaklaştıran şey müziktir.
la musique est ce qui me rapproche le plus de Dieu.
Beethoven
Uff buena versión, tenía que ser de Paavo Jarvi
Beethoven is the greatest musical genius of all time. Nobody but Tchaikovsky comes close
Bach, Mozart ?
Agreed but don't leave out Mahler, son.
And there is this force of the universe called Bach. Come to think of it, throw in the latter Bruckner too.
@@netizencapet 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 yeah, Gustav is a VERY special genius. . . his Adagietto ALONE deserved him the temple of fame . . .
@@netizencapet E ci metterei anche Smetana
❤
Anno 2025 ci avviciniamo ai 255 della nascita di Beethoven, che avrà culmine il 16 dicembre, giorno del 'compleanno' del grande artista. Mentre invece stanno per finire i 200 anni di Bedrich Smetana.
American composers: study Beethoven's and Brahms' symphonies and apply your genius.
14:20 cl
The bassoonist kinda looks like the Once-ler from the new Lorax movie
Dommage d'avoir supprimé plusieurs vidéos dont au moins 3 avec Hilary Hahn.
Je ne pense pas que cela provienne de mon ordinateur.
A noter que les 3 vidéos en question dataient d'1 an environ voire moins.
Je me réponds à moi-même :
je suppose que cette suppression correspond à l'annonce de la parution le 7 octobre prochain du disque "ECLIPSE" enregistré par Hilary et Andrés dont deux extraits (superbes) sont déjà disponibles sur diverses plateformes numériques.
Je me remercie de m'être répondu !!!
Jarvi in attack mode!, almost swallowing the first measure in his haste to win the race with Toscanini and Mengelberg, while along the way missing some of their warmth and character, not to mention their humor. He may have followed Beethoven's metronome markings, but certainly not my internal ones. I couldn't relax.
Your iternal markings are seriously off then.
I heard Klemperer conduct it slow and at this speed and guess which is the better performance.
The 8th loses all it's humour when the tempi are dragging.
And I still can't for the life of me understand why 35 years after Norrington and Gardiner and others recorded, people still think this is being rushed. THIS is is how it is supposed to sound.
Everything else is just too slow. Karajan, a drag. Solti, sleep inducing. Previn, boring.
If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times… people who complain when classical music is played “too fast” are dinosaurs who need to die out. They stand in the way of progress.
@@CFDavid847 I have no way of even beginning to understand what you're trying to say even if you repeat it a million times. What I think you ARE saying is that in different eras or times, interpretative styles change with prevailing preferences, often without regard to, and/or
knowledge of, performance practices in use at the time the music in question was written. While that, admittedly, may not rightly be called "progress", it does reflect the resultant capacity to realize that great music can withstand - triumph over - any change in manner of interpretation that the years may impose upon it. In other words, I agree with you that such a stance is not progress, and if you read my original remarks, you'll also realize that I wasn't complaining about Jarvi's tempo choices, but only of his (relative) failure to imbue them with the amount of warmth, character, and humor, that Toscanini and Melgelberg did. I'm not a score reader, so I readily admit that all three conductors could be well within any indicated tempo markings. "...haste to win the race", was merely a rhetorical phrase used to indicate that tempo, after all, is not the real issue.
Don't you get it ??? He had a beautiful sense of humor...the 8th is his Musical joke !!!???
Why so many empty seats in the audience?
The concert was probably given during the C19 restrictions.
Airship assault theme💀
Ha ha ha, much more a "nerve" assault thing . . . but a VERY excellent one anyway ., ., .,
Great but fast.
. . . like Beethoven liked it
XVIII c. symphony parody
贝八
Wilson Karen Young Charles Wilson William
Almost all of them are too fast
? ? ? Say that to Paavo - if you have the guts . . .
Do NOT forget that master Beethovens BRIO was exactly this way ! So no, sorry, NOT too fast . . .
wow completely ignoring the poor cello in movement 3 😂
2025?
Terrible. Too fast. Too light. This is not Beethoven's music.
Ha ha ha, are YOU a conductor ? How can you be so sure . . .
Beethoven - slow and ponderous. Really?
Great, but a bit on the slow side.
And we all know what opinions are like because everybody's got one.
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