DesertTech WLVRN 223: The Perfect Upgrade from Its Heavier Predecessor?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Unboxing and comparison of the 223 Gen3 MDR aka WLVRN (DT is apparently an X-Men fan)
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Great video!
I really like all the up close comparisons with the MDRX.
Looking forward to more WLVRN videos!!!
Thankyou! I was hoping the comparison to the earlier rifle would be helpful.
When you test the ammo please try that psa 77gr sierra loads. Got a bunch for cheap and I've been getting killer groups. Good thing they also got rid of that stupid gas block. Great content and glad I found this.
Aw...they are out of stock..Ill keep an eye out...
They got rid of the "finger burner 9000" picatiney rail on the gas block. Which..now makes my Mdrx look weird without an updated handgaurd.
RUclipsr Parrot Tactical shot that ammo out of his MDRX..Looks like 0.9 to 1moa out of his rifle..Might be an interesting ammo to acquire.
@@Odinforever2000 brASS facts put me on it. Sells out fast
@@monkey6430 No wonder I can't find any..
Looking forward to more accuracy testing. From what I've heard so far, the "upgrades" seem to look great on paper but in actual range reports the wlvrn only seems marginally better than the MDRx. Time will tell.
My assumption is..at least in 223/300blk..Its AS accurate as the previous generations (with it being noticeably lighter). My hope in 308/6.5CM that is is more accurate.
@@Odinforever2000 Thanks for taking the time to do the review. This was helpful.
The 5.56 and 6.5 variants were already really accurate for a system with quick swap barrel system. Should be interesting to see how it does in .308 now.
@haaake 100% agree. Which is why I don't think the claim was for anything other than the 308.
@@Odinforever2000 yeah the ammo is only so accurate can’t see it doing much better in 5.56.
Please take them apart and show us side by side comparison of the rear take down pins on both the lower and upper. Thanks for the content
I can do that! Hrmm..so just a separate take down video?
@@Odinforever2000 that would be great!
@@Odinforever2000 If you dont mind. When you take it apart, could you also show the difference between the magazine release system from the MDR to the Wlvrn? Asking because i had issues with my MDR magazine release bar.
@JesseJames38 I do have a picture In this vid of the new mag release bar (at the 530 mark..its bigger), but I can add a side by side in the next vid
Heya. Saw you in the comments over at MAC. Liked, commented and subbed.
Cheers
Thaynkyou!
@@Odinforever2000 You're welcome.
I've only watched a few minutes, to be honest, I've got like 5 tabs open on mobile as I celebrate Friday with liquid libation.
Bur I look forward to moar!
Perfect, Just the man i was waiting on to do a review! Will you be testing the AAC OTM 77gr? I would love to do a interview with you in the future!
I probably will.Thats the psa 77gr load folks have been wanting me to shoot?
Future interview? Sure!
@@Odinforever2000PSA manufactures both a 77gr load with the Sierra Match King projectile, and a cheaper variant with their own "clone" of the Sierra projectile made in-house. I've shot them both and can't tell the difference. Both shoot sub-MOA in my 16" AR (1:7 twist). The version with their in-house projectile regularly goes on sale for $0.55/rnd. It's by far the best bang-for-buck 5.56 round on the market. It's incredibly cheap for a MK262 Mod1 clone. The next cheapest option (IMI Razor Core) is over $1/rnd. I get identical groups and POI with both AAC and Razor Core.
Looks like that ammo shot good in the ParrotTacticals MDRX review vid.. 0.9-1moa..
Should be an interesting comparison
Great video! I think you are one of the first (if not THE first) to do a real review of the WLVRN.
Small critique, I think your audio is really dragging down the perceived quality of your videos. It's kind of boomy, and you clip the mic several times throughout the video. Everything else is there, but I'd definitely record at a lower volume (-18dBFS, you can bring it back up in post) and either invest in a better mic or spend some time getting the EQ right. Also, when you mix audio for RUclips, you'll want to make sure you're as close to -14 LUFS with true peaks at -1dB without going over either. Your video was normalized by RUclips to 65% of the volume you sent them, which can also degrade the quality of the audio. Right-click the video and select "Stats for nerds" to see what I mean. If you use DaVinci Resolve for your editing, the Fairlight page has a built in meter to monitor LUFS.
Anyway, I hope this helps!
Very good.
Thankyou. I tried to put together something intersting
Great video! Subbed! Great research and thorough testing, well commented.
Thankyou!
It's so lightweight that it's actually hard for me to control. It's so easy to induce vibration.
Ill have to train a lot with it, if i get my own.
Thanks for the video.
Thankyou!
How’s the rigidity of the handguard for lasers etc?
i feel plastic is plastic. if i want to put ir laser on it i would go with their 2 other option for hand guard in metal
They are supposedly coming out with their own aluminum handguard that is allegedly much stiffer and can fit over larger muzzle devices.
I agree with you guys, but I can’t escape the fact the the factory product (which isn’t cheap) has such an incomplete execution. Not just for lasers, resting the rifle on the handguards can cause shifting too. Remember, the flat range doesn’t emulate the real fight.
@@javierdiaz7825 I have not experienced any zero shift of my optics by resting the gun on the handguard while I shoot. Are you referring to lasers, etc?
Yes, if you use lasers on the handguard, you should get the BLKLBL aluminum handguard. But probably 99% of customers are not going to put anything more than a light and/or bipod on their handguard. So for them, the polymer one works just fine and stays cooler.
100% agree @@AverageJoe4063
good vid!
Thankyou! I tried to get something interesting out
accuracy testing, canned and bare, of the 308 would be much lovely. If it can generate 1.2-ish moas with a chrome barrel in a weight package comparable to a small frame ar308, I'll be saving pennies
I'll post it here when I have enough material for a vid.
Or should I do a short?
1.2moa is what I can get in the Mdrx (5)shot groups with 168gr Fed Gold medal.
id get one if their screws, springs other mechanical parts didn't break so easily
Thanks for the shoutout! Looking forward to the rest of your testing (esp with and without suppressor.)
What do you think overall? If you had to pick between the MDRx and the WLVRN… is the upgrade worth the price premium? Or is it different strokes for different folks?
Mostly different strokes..
I only have the FE models of MDRX...and I really wanted the rifle in that caliber to be even lighter.
Since your an SE owner..I'm not sure its really worth it, unless you want to jump to the latest caliber (6mm max), which the WLVRN should be able to do in the future.
Performance wise in (from what I've seen) 223, the WLVRN and the MDRX in 223 and 6.5Creedmore seem to be about the same.
Want the lightest 308 bullpup? Wlvrn is it. No word on if its better than the MDRX in that caliber. I also really like the forward ejection system.
I personally will be keeping my 308 MDRX (I didn't find the weight to be an issue in that caliber) and will probably spring for a 300blk kit for the Wlvrn.
Also..You did alot of work in your video and its certainly worth a shout out
@@Odinforever2000 that’s about where my mind is at… $500 to reduce a pound or more off the rifle. Interested to see if people are getting the promised accuracy increase, or if that will be primarily in the .308 variants. .300blk will be interesting to see as well- bonus points if you do it in a micron!
@@ParrotTactical
I'm hoping to see others results for an accuracy increase. So far..In my testing (ill do a vid later)..I'm just not seeing it..Even ColdboreMiracle posted a group that's within the envelope of the MDRX.
Also..That Barnes 85gr...Is neat!..I will get more of that.
I was gonna do a side by side in 308..But..I think Id rather have a 300blk kit.
Micron eh? Dunno if I wanna do a 2 stamper..Maybe later..Or..Maybe I can find someone locally who already did that :p
id love to get one in 6.5 creed as a deer rifle but id prefer a 16" barrel, not the 20" they insist on selling. i know the desert tech srs rifle i used to own was stupid accurate. excellent rifles.
Probably could get a gunsmith to cut a barrel down for you
id love one with a 16" barrel chambered in 277 fury
I think Sig reduced the Psi to 70k instead of 80k..So..not as cool anymore
Really think they ought to drop the multi caliber thing for at least the civilian version to further reduce weight and likely overall cost.
The multicaliber thing is what makes this a neat bullpup..1 rifle,multiple caliber options (especially of you only have space for a rifle or 2 in the home). its future proofed to some extent..If you had a favorite non standard caliber..It might work in this rifle..450 bushmaster comes to mine (was available for the Mdrx)..I'm sure 6mm max is next on the list..
It's also the only 6.5cm capable bullpup..That caliber change is what makes this rifle great (in all generations) ..For a while there..It was also the only 300blk bullpup (MDRX) available when IWI stopped importing 300blk kits for the x95...Interestingly the new 300blk Aug costs a much as this.
Bullpups are spendy.. no way around it. Always have been (outside of keltec).
Until several companies start making parts for 1 bullpup (like you see with the ar15),they will continue to be spendy.
How light do you think a bullpup should be?
@@Odinforever2000 The multi caliber thing has always been a gimmick in both civilian and military rifles. At the end of the day most people would just buy a whole other rifle/carbine and configure it accordingly. Or in the case of the military/law enforcement have a variety of options already available.
For the select fire variant it makes sense since you Could do the paperwork for just one and convert to anything else you want.
They already lightened it up. But I imagine if they removed the multi caliber and for instance built one specifically around 5.56 or .300 blk they could probably shave off a bit more weight.
Some folks are that way, yes. But not everyone.
I wouldn't say its multi caliber chassis is a gimmick if folks are asking for and buying these alternate calibers (for any rifle not just DT rifles). I will say it seems more like a point of sale choice. Get the rifle you want in the caliber you want and ship it home. (Kinda like "have it your way at subway" lol).
If you like using digital optics (thermal or Day/night scopes) you could save caliber/bullet zero combo to switch to when changing calibers.(A little boujee..but make 1 rifle and multiple calibers options very easy)
8.6 Black out sounds like another very interesting cartridge to try out in a bullpup.Even if it ends up being a 16" bbl version.
The..Select fire variant..is not even worth discussing since that's not available to us Civilians.
At this point. I think its the Wlvrn is as light as its gonna get (Which is already fantastic).
Its the 2nd lightest 223 bullpup on the market (Only the Keltec RDB is lighter, everything with Military linage is heavier) In 308 the WLVRN is lightest 308 Bullpup on the market by quite a margin (competing in weight even with AR10s)
You also didn't answer my question: How light do you think a bullpup should be?
@@Odinforever2000 Well I'm going to have to answer your question with a question. Depends on caliber and setup. There's going to be a difference in weight between a RFB Hunter (24" .308) versus a RDB Defender (16" Pencil .223) for instance.
The WLVRN weight wise is lighter than everyone else besides the RDB tho which makes sense since Keltec obviously makes very liberal usage of Polymers to reduce weight and manufacturing cost.
@@PlazmaZ5 So..your answer was:
"Depends on Calber and Set up"..
Your commenting on the 223 Wlvrn video..So the assumption should be in 223.
So..Ill rephrase..
"How light should a Bullpup in 223 be?"
Woot. Nice job on the review. Not so pleased with performance I’m hearing about (at least in 308)…
Yup..So far 1 review ion 308..Im hoping thats a 1 off...
Wow over 1lb lighter than FE MDRX is actually pretty significant.
More than..more like 1.4 lbs...Tho..my setups eat up the weight difference.
A firearm pushing almost 3000 and that’s how they ship it in that type of box😅
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You must be rich being able to buy these, or just a really good job.
Rich? Nope..Bought the Mdr and Mdrx used for a deal..Spread the purchases out 2 years peice..
Had to get rid of a gun to afford the Wlvrn..and even then..Found it for 100$ off..
I’ve had two train wrecks, an mdr and mdrx. I want to like this. I want it to be successful. But boy, I dunno if I can risk a third kick in the balls
What happend to your Mdr and Mdrx? I have both of those (shown in the video)
@@Odinforever2000 I noticed. The mdr had feeding issues and the mdrx ejection amd feeding issues. Dt couldn’t resolve the issue. Spent more time with them than home. I sold them at a loss. I’m considering the Wolverine but I will probably wait a pretty long time before I pull the trigger.
@digitalpunk5365 Well,that would do it for me too.
Dude, throw those shitty mags away. Not even sure why bring them up. Of course you had malfunctions with those shitty mags. You will always have malfunctions with those shitty mags until you just throw them in the trash can
Thankyou for the comment.
Looks like a mrd :/
It does! Its the 3rd Generation if that same rifle.
The main changes are all internal...beneath the purdy exterior 😀.
The release vid from Desert Tech covers that pretty in depth if you want to see the ins and outs
Using cheap shitty optics on a $2k+ rifle is an interesting approach for a review.
I mean..its not Monstrum cheap and only at 100yards. I just need to be able to see my fine aiming point..(Aim small miss small)..
Plus I wanted to get something out sooner rather than later since..we have had nothing since shotshow
I think I can get it under 1.4moa
DO you have a favorite optic?
@Odinforever2000 I shoot a lot of long range and group shooting and I'd recommend at least a 20x for paper punching if you really want to see how it will group. my advice is pick up a used Vortex gen 2 razor 4.5-27 power. they're great scopes for the cash. if you're near kentucky you can swing by and we will mount my tangent theta on there
@codyshields3797 I have a few 5 - 25s on other riflesI use for 2/3 ipsc targets at 800 yards.
For 100 yard paper targets I find I can get away with with a 3x.
As long as I can see my finer aiming point, it's all good. The Mdr in the vid shot a 1moa 5 shot group with a Holographic and a 3x magnifier.
Yeah, I absolutely loved the trigger pull. Probably the best I've ever used.
Thanks for the review, can't wait to see how it does in 308.
Me too.
Got any predictions?
I think Dt will be doing an accuracy vid here..before I get my 308 kit.
Nice! Subbed
Thankyou!
Lemme guess. Another desert tech $2000+ rifle?
And if you bought the obsolete MDRX within months of this you just took a $2000 kick to the groin.
Yea..Guilty as charged..
Takes over the spot the Forward eject Mdrx was for pricing
2k is cheap as far as desert tech goes lol
i doubt it but, what about the handguard? does that still have holding Zero issues?
It's mounted the same as the previous version(s).
They have a new handguard you have to buy separately that uses a different lockup if you want one that holds zero. comes standard on the LE versions but i guess us plebians need to shell out extra cash to be worthy of a rigid handguard.
@varcaic9170 let's be real though, would you even use it? I wouldn't personally.
Look at you, you sound so professional! Didn't recognize it at first 😂 (jk jk)
What’s that horrendous looking retro bullpup at the beginning?…. I NEED ONE
Oh...that..Is a Muzzlelite kit for a Ruger Mini14..It is why I started looking a factory made bullpups instead of conversion kits.
Also: how you liking that Arken EP8? Thinking about it for my 1st lpvo on my MDRX…
Edit: I commented before reaching the part about the Arken reticle…lol, not sounding good. Might just being sticking to my Eotech/magnifier…
Thats what I did with the MDR (Eotech plus Magnifier) , lol..Worked fine :D
I've been struggling to keep that particular 1-8 scope on any rifle.Its just not for me.
@@Odinforever2000 yah…for my purposes I’m coming around to the idea that an lpvo, while cool to have, would be more of a “ooooh I wanna keep accessorizing my fav rifle” purchase rather than a “this would truly improve my intended capability” purchase.
Side note: man o man I hope that whole JB Weld MDRX thing both happens & isn’t hokey bullshit. I’ve decided that unless someone wants to sell me their new 308, 16” WLVRN for $500 or less (any takers? Any? Cmoooooooon 😁), I’m just gonna keep doing more pushups & commit to my heavy bitch MDRX
@methodsocratic The Arken Lpvo might be just fine for you..For my eyes..It just wasn't.. But I clearly still run Lpvos 😜
As for the Mdrx. I'm also interested in the accuracy upgrade..25-45% Dt says with no qualifiers on how they got that number..So..maybe your Mdrx will be more accurate than the Wlvrn.
Your Mdrx in 308?
@@Odinforever2000 Yerp. Pretty certain we’ve messaged on the fb groups for a while now lol unless I’m way off about our shared MDRX journeys
@@Odinforever2000 I think an lpvo at this point would be more of a “toy” type purchase, I’ve got so much time behind an eotech/magnifier both as civilian & combat vet that really it’s just curiosity I think.
More toys, plz n thank you 😂
How does that WLVRN compare to the Hellion?
The Wlvrn is lighter,better trigger, better safety and bolt release placement vs the Hellion (If you like ARs)
They say accuracy is better with suppressor…. Can you test that?
Its on my list. I can confirm that the MDRX in 308 does shoot better groups with a Huxworks can vs (several) muzzle brake(s)
I'll get one if they make it 6.5 grendel
I honestly don't know why they dont..Even the custom barrel shop (Es Tactical) never offered that option.
Looking forward to more on accuracy. I'm thinking about the 762. Strange the 308 is lighter than the 556...
Mostly due to it being designed 308 first..The magazine insert is what adds the weight on the previous gen guns..I cant see this one being any different.
adding a can wont make a gun more accurate, if you do it wrong it may hurt accuracy. what it will do is make the gun easier and more pleasant to shoot and will generally make you a better shooter. i run cans on all my guns now.
For the Mdrx (in 308), adding an Oss/Hxworks can has improved my groups.. I was using An Sjc titan and Ultradyne appollo before the Oss Supressor (very good recoil reduction). Never could get to 1-1.4 moa with 168gr Fed gmmk until that was added.
Dt Ceo has also stated the Mdr(x)/Wlvrn shoot more accurately with a (hxworks) supressor.
So..I will side by side test this in the Wlvrn (all of Dts accuracy tests are done with that can on it)
Desert Tech, on top of making the WLVRN and Precision bolt rifles makes suppressors. They released a video 3 weeks ago detailing the accuracy improvement when attaching a suppressor to their Rifles. They indicated that by evacuating the gas around the bullet as it exits the muzzle there is less force perpendicular to the trajectory which improves accuracy. A DT employee and suppressor expert on the AR15 forums claims 10 to 30% improvement in accuracy with his Rifles and his cans on average. He said he would do a WLVRN to MDRx suppressed vs unsuppressed test.
@frozeniceman6319 I've owned many of their products, big fan. suppressors do not add to the accuracy of a gun, they add to the shoot-ability.
@@codyshields3797
I am willing to bet that Desert Tech has owned more guns, more suppressors, and characterized more precision guns than you have.
223 ugh.
Is there a caliber you wanted to see?
@@Odinforever2000 308
@@Odinforever2000 308 or bust.
As I say in the Vid..Just waiting for the kit..ill test it side by side my 308 Mdrx.
Anything in particular you want to see the 308 do?
@@Odinforever2000 Accuracy testing, reliability.
You should have done the review on that 22!?! That desert tech is a piece of shit! Trolls 🖕🏿❄️
Buuuut...I dont have the Ruger Mini 14 that was in that kit..