So basically, for a long story short. We found out a lot of things during the R&D portion when developing the NGSW. And now we are incorporating them into our next firearm. Unfortunately, these new modifications are not compatible with previous models.
More importantly the news guns are not ambidextrous and can't be shot left handed with out a massive parts change. The new P0S is garbage as you can't shoot it from right and left.
You have to be one of the most transparent companies I’ve ever seen in the defense and arms industry. You’re always upfront about issues and always working towards making things better, through leaps like this or the incremental upgrades done to the MDRx. I’ll be voting with my wallet and buying a WLVRN.
This company does a fantastic job of listening to its customers, taking ownership, and improving its designs. I love the fact that the CEO gets on RUclips to present the product. Personally, I think scrapping the forward eject may be the best move in the present, but the idea should be perfected in the background. It’s an innovative design that can be a real game changer. If I may offer an opinion, maybe an easy fix for the safety check would be to just make the ejection port transparent, like a lancer mag. I’m sure there is a way to simplify the malfunction clearing, it’s just going to take more out of the box thinking. I hope you continue to work on the idea in the background and perfect it. These new models sound the the vision of the MDRX finally realized. For me, the cons of bullpups have always outweighed the pros, particularly the ergos and trigger, until the MDRX came around. It seemed to solve all those issues. But after watching review after review I was disappointed with the flaws of the MDRX. Since its release I kept coming back to see if any improvements had been made. I can’t wait for guntubers to get their hands on these and start dishing out reviews. Maybe I’ll finally take the leap into bullpups.
1 Mag and the window would have too much carbon built up to see through. It works on mags because they’re somewhat shielded from the action and burnt powder
Desert Tech should split the MDR family into large and small frame. A combat reliable 5.56 (and .300blk) size bullpup. No .308 size and weight, no mag inserts. Just the gun the AUG, Tavor and L85 wanted to be. 16" and 12" (and 8" 300blk) options. Stronger handguard rail (monolithic?). Give us comfy/ changable cheek pads and either a steep or even better exchangable AR pistol grips. Oh, and maybe an improved trigger pack. Maybe even work with Triggertech or Hiperfire. We would absolutely pay for even better (reliable!) triggers. And then the big boy rifle for .308, 6.5creed and nowadays 8.6blackout. >>>No barrel touching picatinny slot that burns up your hand.No fancy ejection, a little less modularity. Just reliable, compact and lightweight.stronger internals, no mim parts. Stronger charging handle.
I really dislike the idea of making separate "large and small frame" versions. Multi caliber potential, with as many options as possible, is huge and prevents me from having to own multiple rifles. Better in my view to spend development and materials on further improving reliability while maintaining compatibility. What exactly does one gain by making the platform less compatible?
@@murdurmuffin7872Nah, I have very little interest in this weapon in large frame. A dedicated small frame that’s smaller, lighter and cheaper (it should be cheaper as it should be a bit more simple and less material overall). Even if I could I wouldn’t shove 556 parts into my LaRue 308 because it’s just bulky. They should easily be able to make it lighter than the AUG if they went to a dedicated 556.
@@Berserkableit wouldn't be cheaper without scale of economy. You'd end up paying more, which is why they build a single platform. And for guys like me, I prefer the multical frame. That said, I don't disagree with a future frame option as you outline. They need to get big before it'll happen, though.
I'm a huge fan of everything you've said here. Only thing I'd add is a 20" 5.56 option for that sweet sweet M193 poor-boy lifestyle. Changing calibers is only ever a good thing on paper. The one exception being countries that allow only X firearms per person.
An upgrade that makes it lighter, simpler and hopefully both more accurate yet also more reliable sounds great. Even if the name is dumb and you should fire the naming guy. Same dude that came up with HUXWRX name? But you missed a great opportunity to split the 5.56 sized rifle from the .308 battle rifle. Nobody switches calibers and rezeroes optics so much that a lighter and more dedicated small frame rifle wouldn't be a benefit. And if you double down on caliber conversions, 7.62x39 and 9mm would be cool additions.
@@robertsears8323the gun is more reliable, robust and lighter. I'm a lefty, but calling a downgrade because it doesnt have the front ejection anymore is hating.
The fact that DT has improved the MDR platform and evolved it into the Wolverine is exciting as they have essentially perfected the design. The fact that the design has become more simple, and with less parts is awesome. I also love that this is essentially “Americas Bullpup” it is a good thing to know that it is domestically made, and innovated. I also don’t think we should mourn the loss of the forward eject, as Nick stated, large amounts of customer preferred the ease of operation and reliability. Those two aspects are king. It also doesn’t discount the fact that there are very effective shell deflectors that can be designed by DT, or the aftermarket that will throw brass forward at an angle. It definitely can be done. All in all, both products look to be a fantastic offering. I am glad DT had learned, and continued to innovate and perfect their products. It is awesome to see. I will be picking one up down the line for sure.
As an informal member of the testing division and fortunate owner of a well running MDRX: I am depressed, but glad to see the platform expanding and improving. I'll pick one up eventually and, by then, I hope all the kinks are worked out...and you give it the option of working with AR grips. Also, MDR is a better name and I'll die on that small hill.
What’s good for the LEO/Military market SHOULD be good for(and AVAILABLE to) the Civilian Market! I am sick of the misconception of the 2A. We should have everything available to US that is to them!
I have a SBRed MDRx. Is there any path for me to get access to future developments and design features of the WLVRN on my current receiver? For example sending my gun in for a conversion. If not it kind of seems like this is abandoning the early adopters.
@DesertTechUT is there no way to further lighten the MDRx line? Accurizing upgrades is nice, and I appreciate that, but I also just SBRd a Micron recently and feel a bit let down with my timing
I'm really excited for this weapon system however it's kinda messed up to know that the current hand guard doesn't hold zero but continue to use it anyway while hiding the improved model behind another pay wall on an already expensive rifle especially when it comes stock on the Mil/LE model. It would also be nice to have that anti bounce feature on the civilian guns but it could be an ATF reason stopping that regardless it's great to see further innovation in the firearms world and I one day hope to see this become as big as the AR
I can absolutely sympathize with your take on this. I don't own an MDRx because I'm a late adopter type, however, I have followed DT for many years and am a total fanboy. This might become the generation I finally commit to buying, and it would only be because of early adopters.
Very true without the forward ejection system this new gun is crap and only good for people shooting at paper on a flat range. This new gun is a massive downgrade.
A minor downgrade for getting tapped in the face by brass, but a massive upgrade when you need to clear malfunctions in a combat situation. I'll take ease of clearing over lack of love taps from brass.
@@ThatGuy-fx9sq This new gun is worse in everyway. Without the forward ejection this gun is completely useless for anything other than shooting paper on a flat range. Any gun that will jam just by shooting it from the side it is not set up from is unusable. I hate ARs and AKs both but I can shoot both of then right and left handed without changing any parts.
Yeah, if that thing turns out to shoot as good as it looks, and can run reliably, it'll be on my buy list. Can you folks at Desert Tech rush one over to Flannel Daddy so he can beat it up for us?
You have made amazing efforts in engineering these @DesertTechUT now please refine the human aspect before you launch it in Q2. If the grip is AR compatible and cheek rest is more adjustable / plush, this would become a much more friendlier package for operators.
Now if you could incorporate the QUATTRO-15 magazine well into the sabretooth model, WOW, that would be even more innovation. I love all the products you all have made as a company and hope to own some of your products in the future.
I’d love to see Forgotten Weapons do another mud test video with this. If it’s comparable in reliability to the Hellion, it would be one of the more expensive bullpups on the market but it would worth the premium.
I wish you guys would take my MDRX off my hands and replace it with the new rifle. Knowing it will always be inferior and won't ever be fixed leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
The FE is very innovative in its own accord. The MDRX is still a great rifle just like the Lamborghini Gallardo is a great car. It's just that the Huracan is the next performance level up!
@@DesertTechUT Not for me. My rifle has NEVER ran right. I've sent it to RMA twice, tried 3 different conversion kits (fool me twice), and its never been reliable. I wish you guys would just replace the entire rifle or refund me for all the kits I've purchased trying to get this thing to run. I've probably had 2-3 mags run flawless.
The forward eject is a brilliant concept, maybe a bit too far ahead of it's time. I assume it would be difficult to manage the varying pressure loads without electronic venting assistance. Don't give up on it, as technology should catch up in the future. Secondly, the multi calibre chassis aspect may benefit LE/military logistically as they would be able to transport up to 4x as many conversion kits per firearm, saving on weight and space.
I really hope that this thing at least has an effective brass deflector. Brass in the face sucks. Also I wish more companies would use an AR style dust cover. Also does this new rifle feature a forward assist?
Looking forward to this hitting the market. I've always wanted an MDRx, but looks like being patient has rewarded me with a further improved platform. If only those quad-stack mags could fit lol.
I love how y’all simplified the design and eliminated some parts. Sad to see the forward ejection go, as I think it was a really cool feature, but it’s understandable. Oh man that full auto is a thing of beauty, basically no recoil and an excellent cyclic rate. Well done! 👍🏻
Posting here too in hopes of getting seen-- I had to bump my MDRx review to release this morning since the WLVRN will replace it at SHOT. Idea for using the QMAG53s with bullpups... consider using cable linkages rather than solid bars. The AN94 used cables in its mechanism, and maybe the lower intensity use-case for steel cables actuating mag releases or triggers would allow more flexibility around the wider magazine in a way the bars can't. Thanks for all you do!
@@DrWolfensteinznah, buy when you are ready to buy. There will always be something new over the horizon. If you play the waiting game, you will always be waiting
These are some magnificent improvements, especially if there is a 30% accuracy improvement in 308. Guess I'll know which rifle I'll be buying in the future. Only problem is deciding if I should keep my MDRx or sell it. May just leave MDRx in 556 then get the WLVRN in 308.
My poor wallet. I have been ogling the MDRX for a couple years, and was thinking of finally footing the money to get one within the next year. I'm excited to see Desert Tech has done so much refining and tweaking to the designs with this new offer. I hope this gets picked up by a handful of reviewers to give their two cents, but this sounds promising.
Love the shirt! The forward eject was a neat idea, also proof that not all good ideas are marketing successes. I can see why the military wasn't big on it, it is not grunt proof.
So just to be clear, is the Sabertooth available in a semi-auto only version, or are the parts hand guards compatible across both variants? That new handguard design looks like exactly what was keeping me from the MDRX before (aside from being poor, lol) as I do shoot under NODs a lot and my main 5.56 suppressor is reflexed about three inches. If those inches can fit under the handguard (and I could SBR it and switch to a micro setup with a suppressor under the handguard in .300 blk in the same gun sometime if I want to) then it solves two of my hang-ups very handily. Speaking of, can you tell us the inner diameter of the handguard about the barrel axis? It looks like it fits 1.55" suppressors but I'd hate to get one and find out otherwise.
This video does an excellent job explaining everything I wanted it to and really answers all my questions. I'm very happy to see the improvements made to the platform and hope they end up materializing in the real world.
Hey since you guys are into future aesthetics and next get tech you should swap pmags for magpuls new tmags on all your guns, they only offer 5.56 30 round TMAGs for now but I’m sure 308 ones will come
A little bummed that my MDRx is getting phased out, but I'm really glad to see the improvements and evolutions the platform is getting overall. All you need to do is get Magpul's fancy computer scope and we'll finally have the UNSC's service rifle.
To cut weight even more, release ultra light version with skeleton frame, or near skeleton cuts, and heavy profile deep fluted barrel. Titanium rod for gas piston.
Some pins and small parts can also switch to cast or milled aluminum. Extra cost, but some will pay for ultra light versions. Especially when decked with accessories and rigs that will add weight for all day use.
I guess it's harder to scale manufacturing with smaller/larger frames, but it would be cool to see how light and mobile a dedicated 5.56 would be. Appreciate the openness of communication!
I had been considering getting an MDRX forward eject for some time and saving my pennies to that end. I had been hesitating before because it seemed like the platform was going through some growing pains and I've never been keen on getting the first run of anything until the product has a proper shakeout period. Despite that I was still impressed with the design and features and was willing to splurge on a pricey rifle. Now though, given the abandonment of the MDRX and the fact that the new rifle costs just as much despite getting less I'm left with a negative impression of desert tech. Caveat emptor. That's $2500+ that will remain in my bank account.
This was a very bad surprise. This company went from making the only good bull pup ever made to just making a unusable range toy like all other toy bull pups. This new gun is a massive step backwards.
@@robertsears8323 The popular service bullpups are all side eject... AUG, VHS-2, Tavor... I'm no operator, but I'm guessing in life or death situations, I wouldn't mind the love kiss from brass shooting off-hand if it means the rifle is lighter, magnitudes more reliable, quicker to clear malfunctions, easier to brass check the chamber.
As a prior serving Marine and former weapons instructor while serving, I have slowly and begrudgingly been drawn to bullpups. I am a supporter and fan of the IDF and their main rifle, which is a bullpup. There are many options out there, however, it took me a while to stumble upon Desert Tech and the MRDX and learn this is an American bullpup manufacturer. I have yet to acquire a bullpup to add to my loadout options. However, after thoroughly researching all the manufacturers, I know that I want an American made rifle. Desert Tech like any company has had success and challenges. The thing that sticks out to me about DT, they NEVER down play issues and concerns from their consumers. They appear to be upfront and transparent about the evolutionary steps they've taken to make consistent improvements of each iteration of their bullpup based on user feedback. That is uncommon in the firearms manufacturing industry. I liked what I saw in the MRDX with a few reservations, however, I think the WLVRN may have pushed me over the edge to acquire my first bullpup with the intention of making it my main rifle load out option. The sheer shortness of bullpups by default is a huge advantage without a reduction in barrel length, maintaining the potential for maximizing intended powder burn.
I want that DMR Wolverine in 6.5 CM. The only competition I’m considering is the Scar 20s in 6.5 CM. Desertech is currently building my HTI in Barrett 416 and just waiting for the shipping notification to my FFL.
Why are there no half-pups like the WW2 German FG-42 and the M-60 that followed? Put the Quattro on a half-pup to replace the Marines IAR. No forward ejection needed. Better balance. Shorter overall length. More space for recoil like the Ultimax or Surefire MGX. That handguard and bipod is already slick for an IAR. The Quattro would be perfect for the Surefire MGX too.
I have always loved the look of the MDR, recently got to shoot one and I was saving to get one as my next rifle. Think I might spring for the WLVRN instead with its improvements. Definitely Dream gun material; beautiful work
Glad to see these new products benefiting from all of your R&D. Really hoped you guys would capitalize on the interest in bullpups by making a bullpup lower that will fit any mil spec AR upper. Imagine a Desert Tech bullpup universal lower that accepts Quattro magazines. Man! That would rule.
This new iteration of the Desert Tech semi-auto bullpup might finally be better than a Kel-tec and might actually work as a DMR now. Great sport utility. The Quattro is a good addition to the Marines open air IAR concept with their H&K's... provided the manifestation of equal reliability to standard capacity magazines, all high-caps have their developmental issues. With a longer barrel and 77 grain pills, that would overcome a lot of the disadvantages of the 5.56. I still don't know what long stroke and short stroke operation are for? Direct Impingement is always potentially lower cost, lighter weight, more accurate, less recoil, and more reliable even though it might have to be cleaned between firefights. The grass was never greener, hot and dirty American was always the way to be.
As a whole I can’t contest that this seems to be a substantial improvement over the MDRX platform. You seem to really be pushing for a share of the LEO/MIL market, which makes sense, so I hope you’re successful in that. I understand your reasoning as to removing the forward ejection system, but it’s still sad to see it go. That was without a doubt the most compelling feature of the MDR platform as a left handed shooter. I’m sure it’ll be easy to configure to left hand use, but the ability to swap shoulders has now been removed, which removes the true ambidexterity that was touted originally. This leaves people who wanted the FE either SOL or scrambling to buy a now abandoned platform. Like I said though, I get the LEO/MIL reasoning for moving away from it. Additionally, I have some concerns about the lack of rigidness in the handguard. It seems to use the same mounting system as the MDRX, which isn’t known to be strong enough to hold zero for IR/Laser. I look forward to seeing real world reviews of the rifle. This also explains why y’all weren’t rushed to cover the gap from the removal of the pic rail on the gas block with regard to the MDRX haha.
Thanks for the honest feedback. It’s not just the LE MIL contracts we are chasing. The Forward ejection was holding the rifle back: 1. It killed accuracy - It required fierce bolt cycle which was destroying ammo during feeding cycle and generating fierce barrel harmonics 2. It increased recoil 3. It added a LB to the rifle weight 4. It was stalling MIL/LE adoption. 5. It was too expensive The FE was a learning lesson to stop innovations at the point they start to hurt performance. We became more concerned with how bullets were feeding and firing in the gun rather than how the brass was ejecting. You still can swap ejection sides which I understand isn’t as convenient. As far as the handguard the new Sabertooth handguard is the solution. It will be an optional accessory for mdr and WLRVN owners it clamps with 2800 lbs of force and doesn’t budge you will love it! 👍🏻
@@DesertTechUTman, what a great comment to give insight. I wonder if a brass deflector can have appropriate geometry to cause ejection patterns that more closely resemble the forward ejection's intent? Either way, DT being willing to innovate is what makes you stand out. I hope future videos can showcase some of these concepts and potential prototypes, because it'd be sad to see that part of your brand go altogether.
When do they hit the shelves? Meruca bullpup first bullpup!!🎉 Keep that forward eject for a rainy after market day. Maybe have it lock to a slide plate so it could be actuated back or tipped out like a dust cover at a whim
Ditch the modular concept... make a small frame an large frame.. u can make it even lighter an more compact! an alot more people would be looking very hard at this... No one wants to shoot 556 or 6arc from a rifle they could shoot a 308 or 6 creedmoor from.... come on man!
Why are the rounds ejecting in different directions in full auto? Due to the difference in the manufacturing process of the ammo and some are faster than normal?
I appreciate you publishing this video quickly, even if production values were slightly less. Especially for those of us who (intentionally) purchased heavily into the MDR-X (Gen2) knowing the limitations. Engineering breakdowns especially. The "barrel block" screws were a community note of consternation. Iteration is normal in product design. But proper support and warranty follow-through of prior designs is also appreciated (and sets tone for future).
Customers are going to ask you for every calibre under the sun so you might as well start selling barrel blanks and gas blocks for gunsmiths to assemble. Give the market enough to work with and you might start seeing all kinds of wildcats being shot out of your rifles.
Did you know the Attorney General of the United States can change the Hugh's Amendment you people are on a bigger platform than I am. Get machine guns back on the registry
Absolutely can not wait to get my hands on one. From here all i need is the shotgun foregrip attachment and all my firearm needs will be completed. Also wouldnt mind a Micron in 300blk. Hahaha! You guys are doing great things!!
Could we please get a conversion kit to 6.8x51? I would love to see what that new round can do out of a 20 or even 16 inch barrel, I would gladly pay a premium over your other caliber conversions for the uniqueness of it and because I would assume there would be additional R&D on it
Sad to see the FE go but on balance its probably a good change. Ive been waiting in the wings to see these improvements, especially to accuracy/reliability, and am glad to see DT taking customer feedback and continuing to innovate with their product. I look forward to seeing the 3rd party reviews, hopefully this will be the year i can finally justify buying one
@@DesertTechUT fantastic, thank you! When it's available, I'm looking forward to purchasing the compliant 308 WLVRN with a 223 conversion kit and the sabertooth hand guard! Knowing I can use the shorter barrels in the future if desired is awesome!!
MDRX Forward Eject owner here, sad to hear you are ditching the feature but, side eject is more practical. Really impressed that you listened to your customers feedback on the MDR platform, my biggest complaints were how awful the safety selector was and the durability of the QD slot that held the upper and lower receiver together. Both were addressed in these new iterations.
In other words, if I want forward eject. I'll have to reverse engineer the side ejection system. Then, improve the new rifle with the updated forward ejection system...
Well then, bought the 308 mdrx last year with the updated gas system and charging handle, honestly might sell it now and get a wlvrn in 308 cause i just prefer side eject which the mdrx cant do in 308 and overall reliability(and every other aspect) seems just better on the new one.
Wolverine and Sabertooth.
X-MEN nerds confirmed.
I love this so much. I really hope they make a 300 BLK and 6.5x35mm conversion kit
@@guusvangerrevink2484What is 6.5×35? Grendel?
@@almaadams3631 knights armament PDW
@@guusvangerrevink2484 Unobtainum
@@guusvangerrevink2484 Ancient history unobtainium
So basically, for a long story short. We found out a lot of things during the R&D portion when developing the NGSW. And now we are incorporating them into our next firearm. Unfortunately, these new modifications are not compatible with previous models.
Darn. I have a micron MDRX but I’m sad the new barrel and bolt carrier and gas system and bolt won’t fit. Screw the NFA.
More importantly the news guns are not ambidextrous and can't be shot left handed with out a massive parts change. The new P0S is garbage as you can't shoot it from right and left.
@@robertsears8323Calm down kid
@@robertsears8323 you again? dedicated hater 😂
Just like every car, TV, cell phone, computer I've ever purchased.
You have to be one of the most transparent companies I’ve ever seen in the defense and arms industry. You’re always upfront about issues and always working towards making things better, through leaps like this or the incremental upgrades done to the MDRx.
I’ll be voting with my wallet and buying a WLVRN.
Consider the next closest thing is the Tavor 7 which runs about $2200, a 6.5 CM bullpup for $2700, if it works, isn't too much more.
Retired military here. i mean RETIRED, and broke. If I could afford a WLVRN, I would have one!!!!!!!!!!!!
They should offer special VET discount
This company does a fantastic job of listening to its customers, taking ownership, and improving its designs. I love the fact that the CEO gets on RUclips to present the product.
Personally, I think scrapping the forward eject may be the best move in the present, but the idea should be perfected in the background. It’s an innovative design that can be a real game changer. If I may offer an opinion, maybe an easy fix for the safety check would be to just make the ejection port transparent, like a lancer mag. I’m sure there is a way to simplify the malfunction clearing, it’s just going to take more out of the box thinking. I hope you continue to work on the idea in the background and perfect it.
These new models sound the the vision of the MDRX finally realized. For me, the cons of bullpups have always outweighed the pros, particularly the ergos and trigger, until the MDRX came around. It seemed to solve all those issues. But after watching review after review I was disappointed with the flaws of the MDRX. Since its release I kept coming back to see if any improvements had been made. I can’t wait for guntubers to get their hands on these and start dishing out reviews. Maybe I’ll finally take the leap into bullpups.
1 Mag and the window would have too much carbon built up to see through. It works on mags because they’re somewhat shielded from the action and burnt powder
Desert Tech should split the MDR family into large and small frame.
A combat reliable 5.56 (and .300blk) size bullpup. No .308 size and weight, no mag inserts. Just the gun the AUG, Tavor and L85 wanted to be.
16" and 12" (and 8" 300blk) options. Stronger handguard rail (monolithic?). Give us comfy/ changable cheek pads and either a steep or even better exchangable AR pistol grips.
Oh, and maybe an improved trigger pack. Maybe even work with Triggertech or Hiperfire. We would absolutely pay for even better (reliable!) triggers.
And then the big boy rifle for .308, 6.5creed and nowadays 8.6blackout.
>>>No barrel touching picatinny slot that burns up your hand.No fancy ejection, a little less modularity. Just reliable, compact and lightweight.stronger internals, no mim parts. Stronger charging handle.
I really dislike the idea of making separate "large and small frame" versions. Multi caliber potential, with as many options as possible, is huge and prevents me from having to own multiple rifles. Better in my view to spend development and materials on further improving reliability while maintaining compatibility. What exactly does one gain by making the platform less compatible?
@@murdurmuffin7872Nah, I have very little interest in this weapon in large frame. A dedicated small frame that’s smaller, lighter and cheaper (it should be cheaper as it should be a bit more simple and less material overall). Even if I could I wouldn’t shove 556 parts into my LaRue 308 because it’s just bulky. They should easily be able to make it lighter than the AUG if they went to a dedicated 556.
@@Berserkableit wouldn't be cheaper without scale of economy. You'd end up paying more, which is why they build a single platform. And for guys like me, I prefer the multical frame. That said, I don't disagree with a future frame option as you outline. They need to get big before it'll happen, though.
I'm a huge fan of everything you've said here. Only thing I'd add is a 20" 5.56 option for that sweet sweet M193 poor-boy lifestyle.
Changing calibers is only ever a good thing on paper. The one exception being countries that allow only X firearms per person.
@@murdurmuffin7872您知道中口径和小口径的自动机只是向下兼容吗😅😅😅
An upgrade that makes it lighter, simpler and hopefully both more accurate yet also more reliable sounds great.
Even if the name is dumb and you should fire the naming guy. Same dude that came up with HUXWRX name?
But you missed a great opportunity to split the 5.56 sized rifle from the .308 battle rifle. Nobody switches calibers and rezeroes optics so much that a lighter and more dedicated small frame rifle wouldn't be a benefit. And if you double down on caliber conversions, 7.62x39 and 9mm would be cool additions.
They got rid of the forward eject system so this new gun is a massive downgrade in every way.
This new gun is just a crappy toy not a real gun.
@@robertsears8323the gun is more reliable, robust and lighter. I'm a lefty, but calling a downgrade because it doesnt have the front ejection anymore is hating.
Watch the naming guy turn out to be nick. Has to fire himself now lol.
If you don't like changing calibers, you can just get a Helion.
@@Barbaroossa but that thing has the length of pull optimized for a giraffe and some meh ergos. I prefer my Ar-15 and MDR controls.
The fact that DT has improved the MDR platform and evolved it into the Wolverine is exciting as they have essentially perfected the design. The fact that the design has become more simple, and with less parts is awesome. I also love that this is essentially “Americas Bullpup” it is a good thing to know that it is domestically made, and innovated.
I also don’t think we should mourn the loss of the forward eject, as Nick stated, large amounts of customer preferred the ease of operation and reliability. Those two aspects are king. It also doesn’t discount the fact that there are very effective shell deflectors that can be designed by DT, or the aftermarket that will throw brass forward at an angle. It definitely can be done.
All in all, both products look to be a fantastic offering. I am glad DT had learned, and continued to innovate and perfect their products. It is awesome to see. I will be picking one up down the line for sure.
As an informal member of the testing division and fortunate owner of a well running MDRX:
I am depressed, but glad to see the platform expanding and improving. I'll pick one up eventually and, by then, I hope all the kinks are worked out...and you give it the option of working with AR grips.
Also, MDR is a better name and I'll die on that small hill.
Ill die with you.
They could of played on the mdrx and just called it the
MdrW
Been waiting for this ever since the military contract attempt ( dod already picked before companies submitted).
Wolverine and Sabre-tooth! Like what you guys did there! 😉
i like it and i appreciate that they admit that some concepts weren't working as planned so got ditched.
Because it adds $200 to the rifle price and 95% of users will never run a laser on their rifle.
@@DesertTechUTas a guy who does run a laser, I sincerely appreciate having the option made available.
What’s good for the LEO/Military market SHOULD be good for(and AVAILABLE to) the Civilian Market! I am sick of the misconception of the 2A. We should have everything available to US that is to them!
I have a SBRed MDRx. Is there any path for me to get access to future developments and design features of the WLVRN on my current receiver? For example sending my gun in for a conversion. If not it kind of seems like this is abandoning the early adopters.
It is possible to offer the new piston and guide rod to improve accuracy and the stock panel upgrade for more positive magazine retention.
I too have a fully kitted out MDRx that would love some upgrades that were mentioned@@DesertTechUT
@DesertTechUT is there no way to further lighten the MDRx line? Accurizing upgrades is nice, and I appreciate that, but I also just SBRd a Micron recently and feel a bit let down with my timing
Will there be a 300blk Micron available?
I'm really excited for this weapon system however it's kinda messed up to know that the current hand guard doesn't hold zero but continue to use it anyway while hiding the improved model behind another pay wall on an already expensive rifle especially when it comes stock on the Mil/LE model. It would also be nice to have that anti bounce feature on the civilian guns but it could be an ATF reason stopping that regardless it's great to see further innovation in the firearms world and I one day hope to see this become as big as the AR
These improvements look great! I'm really impressed by all of the innovation coming from Desert Tech!
I hate the fact my MDR is going the way of the dodo, but I can’t fault you for improving the rifle. Weighting a pound less than the MDRX is awesome!
1.5 lbs less. 🤓
The MDRX was 100% perfect. This new crappy gun is not even worth using as a paperweight because they got rid of the forward ejection system.
I can absolutely sympathize with your take on this. I don't own an MDRx because I'm a late adopter type, however, I have followed DT for many years and am a total fanboy. This might become the generation I finally commit to buying, and it would only be because of early adopters.
@@JamesMelton Why would you buy a downgraded gun. The MDRX was perfect in everyway this new gun is a massive P0S and is not even usable.
@@robertsears8323 WTF would you know? The gun hasn’t even been released. You sound like a butthurt spoiled child. Grow up and act like an adult.
Sad to see the FE system go, it was useful for shooting offhand around barricades and was the only thing that truly made this fully ambidextrous.
Very true without the forward ejection system this new gun is crap and only good for people shooting at paper on a flat range.
This new gun is a massive downgrade.
@robertsears8323 bruh it ain't the end of the world but it is a downgrade it doesn't make the new rifle useless just worse.
A minor downgrade for getting tapped in the face by brass, but a massive upgrade when you need to clear malfunctions in a combat situation. I'll take ease of clearing over lack of love taps from brass.
@@ThatGuy-fx9sq This new gun is worse in everyway. Without the forward ejection this gun is completely useless for anything other than shooting paper on a flat range. Any gun that will jam just by shooting it from the side it is not set up from is unusable.
I hate ARs and AKs both but I can shoot both of then right and left handed without changing any parts.
@@PocketDrummer A good gun dosen't have malfunction so this is pointless.
“JAKL, HELLION, WLVRN”….
dear gun industry, can you guys stop it with the cringe ass super soaker names?
I love water fights! :D
Holy smokes, I love that DMR aesthetics. If the reliability and accuracy improvements are verified, then this is my next rifle.
Me too it is fantastic to shoot!
Yeah, if that thing turns out to shoot as good as it looks, and can run reliably, it'll be on my buy list. Can you folks at Desert Tech rush one over to Flannel Daddy so he can beat it up for us?
You have made amazing efforts in engineering these @DesertTechUT now please refine the human aspect before you launch it in Q2. If the grip is AR compatible and cheek rest is more adjustable / plush, this would become a much more friendlier package for operators.
Now if you could incorporate the QUATTRO-15 magazine well into the sabretooth model, WOW, that would be even more innovation. I love all the products you all have made as a company and hope to own some of your products in the future.
I’d love to see Forgotten Weapons do another mud test video with this. If it’s comparable in reliability to the Hellion, it would be one of the more expensive bullpups on the market but it would worth the premium.
I wish you guys would take my MDRX off my hands and replace it with the new rifle. Knowing it will always be inferior and won't ever be fixed leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
The FE is very innovative in its own accord. The MDRX is still a great rifle just like the Lamborghini Gallardo is a great car. It's just that the Huracan is the next performance level up!
@@DesertTechUT Not for me. My rifle has NEVER ran right. I've sent it to RMA twice, tried 3 different conversion kits (fool me twice), and its never been reliable. I wish you guys would just replace the entire rifle or refund me for all the kits I've purchased trying to get this thing to run. I've probably had 2-3 mags run flawless.
This company has an outstanding Future !🎉
The DMR WLVRN would be absolutely of interest! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹 😀
The forward eject is a brilliant concept, maybe a bit too far ahead of it's time. I assume it would be difficult to manage the varying pressure loads without electronic venting assistance. Don't give up on it, as technology should catch up in the future.
Secondly, the multi calibre chassis aspect may benefit LE/military logistically as they would be able to transport up to 4x as many conversion kits per firearm, saving on weight and space.
I really hope that this thing at least has an effective brass deflector.
Brass in the face sucks.
Also I wish more companies would use an AR style dust cover.
Also does this new rifle feature a forward assist?
I love it and btw screw all the haters just keep doing you.
Looking forward to this hitting the market. I've always wanted an MDRx, but looks like being patient has rewarded me with a further improved platform. If only those quad-stack mags could fit lol.
I love how y’all simplified the design and eliminated some parts. Sad to see the forward ejection go, as I think it was a really cool feature, but it’s understandable. Oh man that full auto is a thing of beauty, basically no recoil and an excellent cyclic rate. Well done! 👍🏻
So now I have to sell my MDRX with both .556 and .308 to get this. You should offer an upgrade program!
Posting here too in hopes of getting seen-- I had to bump my MDRx review to release this morning since the WLVRN will replace it at SHOT. Idea for using the QMAG53s with bullpups... consider using cable linkages rather than solid bars. The AN94 used cables in its mechanism, and maybe the lower intensity use-case for steel cables actuating mag releases or triggers would allow more flexibility around the wider magazine in a way the bars can't. Thanks for all you do!
7:28 amazing lesson in barrel harmonics.
Ive never owned a bullpup. But if/when i do its now going be a desert tech. Glad to see you guys are working hard on reliability..Very cool.
Why would you buy a gun from this crappy company that is going backwards with there new guns.
I went Bullpup and never looked back. Come on in. The water is fine.
@@robertsears8323why would a take advice from someone who hasn’t mastered ‘their’ and ‘there’?
Make sure to wait a few years, who knows if they'll wind up making a WLVRNX or a whole new variant.
@@DrWolfensteinznah, buy when you are ready to buy. There will always be something new over the horizon. If you play the waiting game, you will always be waiting
Sad to see the forward eject go, but understandable.
These are some magnificent improvements, especially if there is a 30% accuracy improvement in 308. Guess I'll know which rifle I'll be buying in the future. Only problem is deciding if I should keep my MDRx or sell it. May just leave MDRx in 556 then get the WLVRN in 308.
My poor wallet. I have been ogling the MDRX for a couple years, and was thinking of finally footing the money to get one within the next year. I'm excited to see Desert Tech has done so much refining and tweaking to the designs with this new offer. I hope this gets picked up by a handful of reviewers to give their two cents, but this sounds promising.
Love the shirt! The forward eject was a neat idea, also proof that not all good ideas are marketing successes. I can see why the military wasn't big on it, it is not grunt proof.
So just to be clear, is the Sabertooth available in a semi-auto only version, or are the parts hand guards compatible across both variants? That new handguard design looks like exactly what was keeping me from the MDRX before (aside from being poor, lol) as I do shoot under NODs a lot and my main 5.56 suppressor is reflexed about three inches. If those inches can fit under the handguard (and I could SBR it and switch to a micro setup with a suppressor under the handguard in .300 blk in the same gun sometime if I want to) then it solves two of my hang-ups very handily.
Speaking of, can you tell us the inner diameter of the handguard about the barrel axis? It looks like it fits 1.55" suppressors but I'd hate to get one and find out otherwise.
Handguard is cross compatible. If don’t have the measurement handy.
This video does an excellent job explaining everything I wanted it to and really answers all my questions. I'm very happy to see the improvements made to the platform and hope they end up materializing in the real world.
Glad it was helpful!
I want a wlvrn...I don't really have a need or a place to shoot it...but I still want it...awesome....
So with all of the improvements and reduction in parts will the wlvrn be cheaper than the MDRX?
They're still 2,499-2,699 from what I've seen.
Hey since you guys are into future aesthetics and next get tech you should swap pmags for magpuls new tmags on all your guns, they only offer 5.56 30 round TMAGs for now but I’m sure 308 ones will come
I saw those they look great!
A little bummed that my MDRx is getting phased out, but I'm really glad to see the improvements and evolutions the platform is getting overall. All you need to do is get Magpul's fancy computer scope and we'll finally have the UNSC's service rifle.
That’s funny as hell, I purchased an MDRX yesterday, I am glad to see new weapons systems but hope you continue support the mdrx.
mac is gonna be all over thiss
To cut weight even more, release ultra light version with skeleton frame, or near skeleton cuts, and heavy profile deep fluted barrel. Titanium rod for gas piston.
Some pins and small parts can also switch to cast or milled aluminum. Extra cost, but some will pay for ultra light versions. Especially when decked with accessories and rigs that will add weight for all day use.
With the changes, did the trigger get affected?
Is the .300 blk available in the micron configuration?
I guess it's harder to scale manufacturing with smaller/larger frames, but it would be cool to see how light and mobile a dedicated 5.56 would be. Appreciate the openness of communication!
Wow amazing 🤩
I had been considering getting an MDRX forward eject for some time and saving my pennies to that end. I had been hesitating before because it seemed like the platform was going through some growing pains and I've never been keen on getting the first run of anything until the product has a proper shakeout period. Despite that I was still impressed with the design and features and was willing to splurge on a pricey rifle. Now though, given the abandonment of the MDRX and the fact that the new rifle costs just as much despite getting less I'm left with a negative impression of desert tech. Caveat emptor. That's $2500+ that will remain in my bank account.
This company keeps surprising me, even after all those years❤
This was a very bad surprise.
This company went from making the only good bull pup ever made to just making a unusable range toy like all other toy bull pups.
This new gun is a massive step backwards.
@@robertsears8323 It seems like they just made a lot of improvements. How is it a step backwards from the MDR?
@@robertsears8323 how so? changing the ejection direction to well known and understood way of doing things is a good thing
@@robertsears8323 The popular service bullpups are all side eject... AUG, VHS-2, Tavor... I'm no operator, but I'm guessing in life or death situations, I wouldn't mind the love kiss from brass shooting off-hand if it means the rifle is lighter, magnitudes more reliable, quicker to clear malfunctions, easier to brass check the chamber.
Me too but not in good ways.
As a prior serving Marine and former weapons instructor while serving, I have slowly and begrudgingly been drawn to bullpups. I am a supporter and fan of the IDF and their main rifle, which is a bullpup. There are many options out there, however, it took me a while to stumble upon Desert Tech and the MRDX and learn this is an American bullpup manufacturer. I have yet to acquire a bullpup to add to my loadout options. However, after thoroughly researching all the manufacturers, I know that I want an American made rifle.
Desert Tech like any company has had success and challenges. The thing that sticks out to me about DT, they NEVER down play issues and concerns from their consumers. They appear to be upfront and transparent about the evolutionary steps they've taken to make consistent improvements of each iteration of their bullpup based on user feedback. That is uncommon in the firearms manufacturing industry.
I liked what I saw in the MRDX with a few reservations, however, I think the WLVRN may have pushed me over the edge to acquire my first bullpup with the intention of making it my main rifle load out option. The sheer shortness of bullpups by default is a huge advantage without a reduction in barrel length, maintaining the potential for maximizing intended powder burn.
Nice shirt 😂
I want that DMR Wolverine in 6.5 CM. The only competition I’m considering is the Scar 20s in 6.5 CM. Desertech is currently building my HTI in Barrett 416 and just waiting for the shipping notification to my FFL.
Why are there no half-pups like the WW2 German FG-42 and the M-60 that followed? Put the Quattro on a half-pup to replace the Marines IAR. No forward ejection needed. Better balance. Shorter overall length. More space for recoil like the Ultimax or Surefire MGX. That handguard and bipod is already slick for an IAR. The Quattro would be perfect for the Surefire MGX too.
I have always loved the look of the MDR, recently got to shoot one and I was saving to get one as my next rifle. Think I might spring for the WLVRN instead with its improvements. Definitely Dream gun material; beautiful work
Glad to see these new products benefiting from all of your R&D. Really hoped you guys would capitalize on the interest in bullpups by making a bullpup lower that will fit any mil spec AR upper. Imagine a Desert Tech bullpup universal lower that accepts Quattro magazines. Man! That would rule.
Nick is like your friend's dad who shows you things you shouldnt see yet cause hes so excited XD
PAUSE
I love the new innovations I see a bullpup in my future
This new iteration of the Desert Tech semi-auto bullpup might finally be better than a Kel-tec and might actually work as a DMR now. Great sport utility.
The Quattro is a good addition to the Marines open air IAR concept with their H&K's... provided the manifestation of equal reliability to standard capacity magazines, all high-caps have their developmental issues. With a longer barrel and 77 grain pills, that would overcome a lot of the disadvantages of the 5.56.
I still don't know what long stroke and short stroke operation are for? Direct Impingement is always potentially lower cost, lighter weight, more accurate, less recoil, and more reliable even though it might have to be cleaned between firefights. The grass was never greener, hot and dirty American was always the way to be.
I ended up dropping my preorder back in 2016 due to the delays, but looks like I might be getting an MDR (WLVRN) after all. Love my SRS A2.
Only one question, will it be possible for a 300blk micron in the Wolverine? Did you redesign the gas system in it enough to make that possible?
As a whole I can’t contest that this seems to be a substantial improvement over the MDRX platform. You seem to really be pushing for a share of the LEO/MIL market, which makes sense, so I hope you’re successful in that.
I understand your reasoning as to removing the forward ejection system, but it’s still sad to see it go. That was without a doubt the most compelling feature of the MDR platform as a left handed shooter. I’m sure it’ll be easy to configure to left hand use, but the ability to swap shoulders has now been removed, which removes the true ambidexterity that was touted originally. This leaves people who wanted the FE either SOL or scrambling to buy a now abandoned platform. Like I said though, I get the LEO/MIL reasoning for moving away from it.
Additionally, I have some concerns about the lack of rigidness in the handguard. It seems to use the same mounting system as the MDRX, which isn’t known to be strong enough to hold zero for IR/Laser.
I look forward to seeing real world reviews of the rifle.
This also explains why y’all weren’t rushed to cover the gap from the removal of the pic rail on the gas block with regard to the MDRX haha.
Thanks for the honest feedback. It’s not just the LE MIL contracts we are chasing. The Forward ejection was holding the rifle back:
1. It killed accuracy - It required fierce bolt cycle which was destroying ammo during feeding cycle and generating fierce barrel harmonics
2. It increased recoil
3. It added a LB to the rifle weight
4. It was stalling MIL/LE adoption.
5. It was too expensive
The FE was a learning lesson to stop innovations at the point they start to hurt performance. We became more concerned with how bullets were feeding and firing in the gun rather than how the brass was ejecting. You still can swap ejection sides which I understand isn’t as convenient.
As far as the handguard the new Sabertooth handguard is the solution. It will be an optional accessory for mdr and WLRVN owners it clamps with 2800 lbs of force and doesn’t budge you will love it! 👍🏻
@@DesertTechUTman, what a great comment to give insight. I wonder if a brass deflector can have appropriate geometry to cause ejection patterns that more closely resemble the forward ejection's intent?
Either way, DT being willing to innovate is what makes you stand out. I hope future videos can showcase some of these concepts and potential prototypes, because it'd be sad to see that part of your brand go altogether.
When do they hit the shelves? Meruca bullpup first bullpup!!🎉
Keep that forward eject for a rainy after market day. Maybe have it lock to a slide plate so it could be actuated back or tipped out like a dust cover at a whim
That looks like it has an incredible slow rate of fire.
660 RPM
I’m only two minutes and 25 seconds into the video and you’re already making me want to buy one I don’t own a bull pup but this sounds exciting
Those that just purchased a MDRX in the last few months are going to be kicking themselves...
Ditch the modular concept... make a small frame an large frame.. u can make it even lighter an more compact! an alot more people would be looking very hard at this...
No one wants to shoot 556 or 6arc from a rifle they could shoot a 308 or 6 creedmoor from.... come on man!
Your shorter bullpup rifles should have a whole-hand guard option, like a Tavor.
Why are the rounds ejecting in different directions in full auto? Due to the difference in the manufacturing process of the ammo and some are faster than normal?
Damn the lack of quadmag is a bummer. Good about the weight and accuracy though
agreed!
I appreciate you publishing this video quickly, even if production values were slightly less.
Especially for those of us who (intentionally) purchased heavily into the MDR-X (Gen2) knowing the limitations.
Engineering breakdowns especially. The "barrel block" screws were a community note of consternation.
Iteration is normal in product design. But proper support and warranty follow-through of prior designs is also appreciated (and sets tone for future).
We will make sure that we have good support for the MDR and MDRX product
Would be pretty cool if the NFA was abolished. I want.
Customers are going to ask you for every calibre under the sun so you might as well start selling barrel blanks and gas blocks for gunsmiths to assemble. Give the market enough to work with and you might start seeing all kinds of wildcats being shot out of your rifles.
Man those are slick. The MDR carries me through the early wipe of Tarkov and ive always wanted to own one.
Did you know the Attorney General of the United States can change the Hugh's Amendment you people are on a bigger platform than I am. Get machine guns back on the registry
4:13 how can you not love this guy?
Easy. I’m left handed
Absolutely can not wait to get my hands on one. From here all i need is the shotgun foregrip attachment and all my firearm needs will be completed. Also wouldnt mind a Micron in 300blk. Hahaha! You guys are doing great things!!
I don't care if I need to sell a kidney...I want one!!!
Why the name change and not just call it the mdr 3rd gen?
Because it really is a new rifle and it will be easier for customers to differentiate it from previous generations of mdr rifles.
Could we please get a conversion kit to 6.8x51? I would love to see what that new round can do out of a 20 or even 16 inch barrel, I would gladly pay a premium over your other caliber conversions for the uniqueness of it and because I would assume there would be additional R&D on it
Finally, M-Lok at the 2 and 10 Positions!
Excellent and sincere review on two advanced compact and powerful bullpups. Peace
Is the integrated bipod going to be a basic feature of the WLVRN? That's really the only thing of interest here...
Sad to see the FE go but on balance its probably a good change. Ive been waiting in the wings to see these improvements, especially to accuracy/reliability, and am glad to see DT taking customer feedback and continuing to innovate with their product. I look forward to seeing the 3rd party reviews, hopefully this will be the year i can finally justify buying one
Is the compliant model able to convert to other calibers and barrel lengths?
yes all the same but ensure you stick to the legal barrels lengths in your area.
@@DesertTechUT fantastic, thank you! When it's available, I'm looking forward to purchasing the compliant 308 WLVRN with a 223 conversion kit and the sabertooth hand guard! Knowing I can use the shorter barrels in the future if desired is awesome!!
MDRX Forward Eject owner here, sad to hear you are ditching the feature but, side eject is more practical. Really impressed that you listened to your customers feedback on the MDR platform, my biggest complaints were how awful the safety selector was and the durability of the QD slot that held the upper and lower receiver together. Both were addressed in these new iterations.
In other words, if I want forward eject. I'll have to reverse engineer the side ejection system. Then, improve the new rifle with the updated forward ejection system...
When I decide to get a bullpup ill be supporting this new version. I like to see innovation and support US companies
Not too many left side ejection available that are well made. Desrt Tech. is one of them. Much appreciated.
Also the cam pin should be a roller cam pin like the design that POF uses in their bolt carriers. That will increase smoothness.
Well then, bought the 308 mdrx last year with the updated gas system and charging handle, honestly might sell it now and get a wlvrn in 308 cause i just prefer side eject which the mdrx cant do in 308 and overall reliability(and every other aspect) seems just better on the new one.
Definitely would love to T&E one of these guys !
You guys are the dream company, always improving.
Will it be available for sale in the EU/Germany and if so, when? Thanks!
I hope that the availability of calibers like 8.6 blk and a video on how a suppressor can affect the function
Super glad to hear you guys keep developing and refining this platform