US Army's NGSW Program - Desert Tech's 6.8 cal Submission
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- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2023
- Join Nick Young our CEO to go behind the scenes of Desert Tech's participation in the NGSAR and NGSW US Military Programs and listen to his opinions of the 6.8 round and firearms that are slotted to replace the M249 SAW and M4 rifles.
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I think that is one of the most beautiful and well thought out rifles I have ever seen. I hope your company can bring your NGSW rifle submission to the civilian market one day soon.
Definitely the coolest bullpup of all the NGSW bullpups.
Except for that POS wobbly ass Magpul Bipod.
I seem to recall that a number of the improvements from NGSW made its way into the civilian rifle when they upgrade from the MDR to the MDRX.
definitely should. no doubt it'll sell well if ammunition is available.
It would be great if it could be paired with the 6.8 True Velocity round. =) That would be a dream team come true.
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Reducing weight by 8 lbs for an infantry soldier over Sig Spear is huge! Great work.
Especially if it has to be carried by some petitte people.
And yet it wasn’t adopted interesting
@@willpugh8865 the decision makers have too much M14 nostalgia.
@@Mr00Ted right, we all know the decision makers for the US military have been retarded as of late. bad decision after bad decision. i still doubt the sig spear will actually be adopted
@@willpugh8865 Maybe just maybe the weight isn't the only requirement they look at?
Didn't he say in this video they weren't down-selected because there was a problem in their paperwork, so they never got past that phase. That isn't the fault of anyone but their own, no?
It's a shame that paperwork ended up being an issue for submission. I know updates with the fwd eject system to help address reliability issues have been fixed, but a more open fwd eject chute is a great idea for the Civilian market along with the monolithic rail. It would get rid of the complaint people make about not seeing what's going on in the chamber area.
The game was probably rigged. Remember several iterations of M9 replacement competition where the competition was ended or thrown out because the "Correct Gun" didn't win.
@@AKloveryeah Robinson Armament got knocked out of a competition due to not supplying an ordinary m16 blank firing device with their submission. The game is very rigged, and it is mostly a way to get new ideas to feed to their preferred supplier.
@@JinKee A newly seated President should walk in Day 1 and fire everybody up rank "Acquisitions" for D.O.D. every election cycle. Save the taxpayers billions immediately. DT's rifle got passed over on the order of A sociopath who will likely "retire" and immediately go to work for Sig as soon as his exit paperwork clears.
That's the first thing I thought of @@JinKee
@@JinKeenot exactly, they didn’t supply a BFA for their rifle which is pretty critical if you are going to have a military rifle.
Let’s be honest, the SIG deal probably had some money stuff involved. In terms of a truly new service rifle, I think you guys and True Velocity hit the nail on the head
ABSOLUTELY
Even the Textron NGSW was a new/unique system. It was literally just Sig that copied the M4.
Dude I remember reading an article about you when I was a young man, I thought it was so cool how you just decided to make new guns and start a company doing it. Even went and told my Dad all about how cool it was. All these years later it’s awesome to see you doing well.
That’s cool! Thanks for being a fan! It’s been a crazy journey but i get to live my dream!
Seems like part of the equation is wait why not carbon fiber barrels
@@damonbehnke5817because they aren’t as good as steel.
@@damonbehnke5817 Remember that billionaire sub a while back ? Non metal materials are not good against repeated stress.
Just saying, MA5C in Halo is like 9 lbs loaded in 26th century. I think you guys are catching up fast already considering we don't have some sci-fi material available. Keep up the good work👍
Good point
Ah yes the most unergonomic rifle, ugly as heck, physically impossible to fit 60 7.62Nato rounds in the MA5B. Plus that ugly top computer, no rails, and cant hit shit past 50 yards. The MDR is already light years ahead of every Halo gun, except the M7 SMG.
MA5C could also accept a smartlink sight, setup with a scorpion style HMD. I'm sure deserttech could cook up something similar.
... no, actually it's just ones and zeros, it doesn't weigh anything.
@@camojoe83 my 3d print model would beg to differ
As someone who was trained on the British SLR/FN and then trialled the SA80 mid eighties, the most important issue with bullpups is the issue of ejection. When we trialed the SA80 in Arctic Norway, I thought we were trialing prototype rifles and we had an extensive list of issues to be sorted. Imagine my surprise the next year when the rifle was issued to RM Units with most of the problems still in place. If an assault rifle is not ambidextrous then it is not truly an assault rifle. You have sorted that issue quite well, so hats off to you! I like the modularity , the weight reduction and I`m sure you will be able to reduce the suppressor length.
I wish you success !
The kids running around upstairs in the video translated perfectly through the headphones and had me in a spin for a minute.
I got LOUD kids playing in the driveway next to my window - I was _incredibly_ confused for a second.
Sorry about that. It’s what happens when I’m filming in my home studio on the weekends. LOL
@@DesertTechUTDon't worry. That's life.
i live alone … and i don’t have an upstairs. this was really confusing for me
@@jacobnunya Desert Tech trolling for months with this one simple trick!
This is something I really enjoyed watching. Seeing and hearing about the actual process of the overall program, plus getting a chance to hear about "what I think would've been" was really special and is very deeply appreciated. Sig is a dumpster, and so are the politicians that make these decisions. Much love, and even more respect.
Thanks for the positive feedback. We are extremely passionate about firearms innovation and it is great that folks like you can appreciate it! 💪🏻
The same politicians lauching unprovoked, illegal wars around the planet.
This platform shared a lot of similarity with General Dynamics entry. I'm with you about Spear going the way of the SCAR, time will tell.
I think Sig has a better chance getting the Spear light to replace the M4 than the Spear heavy. I am not saying that is what should happen though.
It would be pretty cool if you could release this presumably ruggedized MDR version. In 6.8 or just normal .308 and 6.5creed.
The over the barrel suppressor, the rugged rail (minus electric wizardry), all of that sounds fantastic.
Also, not having a 80kpsi explosion right in your face, plus having barrel life past 3000 rounds, sounds like a better deal than Sig. Even if the whole marksman rifle against level 4 plates idea of the army is kinda suspect in it's own. But for hunting larger animals, a civilian version would be pretty cool.
6 arc would be sweet
Our guy la get taken out of the fight wearing plates , 556 to the groin/inner thigh will bleed a man dry in minutes , still a big target
How bout we focus on simplicity, ease of maintenance etc . Idk , I think stoner did it right , kinda hard to beat .
The mcx definitely tweaked every little detail of the ar to perfection now let’s move that action back in bullpup configuration so 20” bbl is the size of a 10.5” ar with actual ergonomics and trigger that on par with aftermarket ar options and still be able to swing the lower /bottom of stock down and you’ve solved a couple more shortcomings mostly getting 20” ballistics in a 28” or less package .
And I’ve come up with some great ideas for this but nobody will ever pay me for it so I’ll keep it to myself I guess, maybe one day I’ll build the prototype .
I never fired a desert tech
I like the concept but i wonder how nice the triggers are
My friend bought one. After a lot of research I bought one. Best all around-the-clock rifle. Battle rifle, close quarters, good long range, low recoil, reliable. All this in compact bull pup. Also most people accurately in studies go up in bull pup vs AR platforms (including people who prefer the AR)
Greetings from Russia! It was very interesting to watch this contest and its unexpected result from the sidelines. An attempt to give an infantryman a rifle with a magnum and a machine gun with a magnum looks really interesting, it is clear that for your conditions and capabilities, the barrel is expendable, as for us magazine). You are talking very sensibly and logically, I also think that this project is stillborn. By the way, we recently introduced a new cartridge and AK, caliber 6 mm, almost a copy of the 6mm Arc, (the case is one from 7.62x39). We have a saying: "Fools have the same thoughts")))
The cartridge intrigues me I will dig into it more!
I think a mdr that takes Quatro 15 mags in 5.56 or 300blk would be wicked. Keep up the innovating, I'm always excited to see what comes next from you guys!
300blk sounds sweet ❤
Desert Tech should split the MDR family into large and small frame.
A combat reliable 5.56 (and .300blk) size bullpup. No fancy ejection, no .308 size and weight, no magazine inserts.
16" and 12" (and 8" 300blk) options. A little less modularity. Just reliable, compact and lightweight. Stronger barrel lockup (plus high temp locktite on the screws) for better accuracy and reliability, even if caliber swaps are slower. Stronger upper (monolithic?) and stronger internals, no mim parts. Stronger charging handle. And give us comfy/ changable cheek pads and maybe swappable AR pistol grips. A micron handguard with suppressor cover.
Oh, and maybe an improved trigger pack. Maybe even work with Triggertech or Hiperfire. We would absolutely pay for even better (reliable!) triggers.
And then the big boy rifle for .308, 6.5creed and nowadays 8.6blackout.
Also, small frame MDRX in 6.5 Grendel, 6 ARC and 350 Legend
@@diceman624 well yes, but actually no. While all 3 of these cartridges were developed to meet AR OAL, they cut the bolt walls too thin and also are too fat to properly work in AR magazines. As Nick Young said in the video above, 6max is the way to go for AR systems going forward.
An 8 in 300 blk bullpup?? Is that even going to make it past the trigger guard?
A monolithic rail would be a big improvement by itself. The way the handguard attaches to the MDRX is not good. The BLK LBL gets rid of the chintzy polymer handguard, but it can't do anything to fix the instability inherent in the interface/attachment method.
@@samgoral4it's not supposed to, you just need a hadguard as in the video that clears your suppressors diameter. 8" blk guns are supposed to be run exclusively suppressed.
Your ideal M4 replacement reminds me of the FN IWS in .264 LLC, developed for IWTSD, and the Serbian army's new AK in 6.5 grendel. A round of similar performance seems to be the way forward for service rifles. I agree about the ngsw might be ditch in a few years but 277 fury might get to stay as a mg round.
Thanks for making me aware of that Serbian rifle. Sounds like they had a good plan. I’m going to do some research on it.
It's completely unreasonable for SAW gunners to carry ammo that isn't shared with other riflemen in the squad, not only you limit the amount of ammo the squad can share, you also create a logistical hell of shipping two different types of ammo in large numbers
It's definitely the most aesthetically pleasing submission.
For replacing the M4, I think your 6max idea is ideal. 6.5 is also tempting, but the reduction in capacity hurts too much.
For close quarters I think 8.6 suppressed is The Way going forward. Massive honking bullets spinning faster and going a bit slower is where it's at.
Would adore a conversion kit for the MDRX in 8.6 ;)
I love how stoked this dude is. He's like a seven year old talking about dinosaurs. =)
Can you blame him? He gets to run his own company where he gets to design cutting edge firearms. Dudes got an amazing job
@@totenfurwotan4478 for sure man
Thank you for showing us your fantastic designs. Whilst many hate bullpups I do not mind them, as and ex British soldier I’ve used the SA80A1 & A2 over 24 years, I know many hated them, but I found the A2 great to use down range. I think your designs and weapons are great and love the innovation, thanks for showing us your brilliant designs✊🏻🇬🇧
Thanks!
I think your rifle is a great candidate for 6ARC because you have the space for a strong bolt that isn’t just a hollowed out 5.56 bolt like we see in AR-15s. Maybe 6MAX is the one that’s going to take off though because of the AR-15 market.
I think 6 max will be king because higher capacity mags will be easier to get running with it.
I think a lighter MDRX dedicated to smaller calibers like the 6 Max, 5.56, etc that could use your quad mags would sell well.
Also make a .308 sized MDRX that can handle the WSM cartridge your entry was based on that can also use your quad mags. But make lower capacity quad mags too for easier use hunting and shooting prone.@@DesertTechUT
@@DesertTechUTis there going to be a 6 max conversion kit coming out?
6 max is exclusive with sons of liberty Gunworks right now and will be for most of 2024.
This...was a JAM PACKED video! Seeing a monolthic Upper 6.8mm Mdr in the Back was neat..Also seeing the alternatives of a possible extendable stock..That was cool..I had never heard of 6mm Max..So now I gotta look that up..Also..Hearing that the QD barrel change system doesnt detract from the accuracy vs your tested fixed system was great to hear.!! WOW Lots Of fun stuff here!
Thanks! Check out X Rings channel is is winning comps with the 6 max now.
The rifle on the wall is another NGSW rifle just without the power rail handguard attached. 👍🏻
@@DesertTechUT I figured I just didn't know what to call it other than a 6.8 Mdr
*Desert Tech* Bravo well done, thank-you sir for taking the time to bring us along. GOD Bless.
Our pleasure!
LOL I watched this video at night with headphones, and I thought my kids got up out of bed and ran to the kitchen.
That’s hilarious! Sorry about the background noise.
First thing I thought was that this rifle looks like a real-life version of something from Halo. Looks really badass, and it looks like it works really well.
This is a way better option than the XM7. Why? Because of wear and tear. XM7, with the crazy overpressured round simply damages the barrel way too fast. With this rifle, you get a longer barrel, and as such, you can get the same velocity out of it as with the shorter barreked XM7. This is a huge deal as the barrel and all the important components will last much longer, saving money for the user.
For the military all non serialized parts on small arms are considered a consumable if necessary. And realistically in a combat situation you aren't going have to worry all that much as you shouldn't be in a situation where you would shoot the amount of ammo needed to cause a catastrophic failure before an armorer would get their hands on the small arm and deem it needing repairs.
For civilians like myself that over pressured shite is worthless when equivalent or better performance is available without needing the fancy cases.
The polymer cased 6.8 wouldn't be something I'd care for either though. I like my cases to be reusable which, again, the military wouldn't care about.
The only thing is they need to upgrade the locking pins because a guntuber who shot the gun had zero shift due to the front of flexing and getting loose. He had to replace the front with a metal handguard and honestly that should be included from the start but otherwise I'd love to see this rifle win
@@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672 Which is worse now, zero shift or XM7's mag over-insertion
@@BloPsy__ probably the mag over insertion since it'll just outright break the gun but both can get you killed in combat it's just the latter will render your primary weapon absolutely useless
What Bipod is that?
Also, for a CEO you feel strangely relatable and genuine!
Looks like a Magpul bipod.
Thanks! Genuine gun nut I am! 🤓 Yes it’s a magpul bipod, very lightweight.
@@DesertTechUT Thanks for that! Looking forwards to more videos like this!
Fascinating stuff. I think I like this round more than Sigs'. That power rail sounds a significant jump forward, a real paradigm shift in mounting options for all the rail accessories. That's what really caught my eye - Can we buy that?
No we don’t have plans to produce the NGSW rifle. Also if you watch later in the video I give my opinion on the future of power rail tech.
@@DesertTechUT
I appreciate the response, breakfast needed to happen so I'll watch the rest of the video now.
I'm huge fan of what you've done with the bullpup platform, best of luck on your future endeavors and a Happy New Year.
@@DesertTechUT I hope you run with your idea on a replacement for the M4. I agree with everything you've said.
Very little of the Sig is untested technology. One thing you have to remember is the Military is not a fan of brand new mechanisms in the hands of the common soldier. There is very little retraining for the Sig needed because it is extremely similar to the layout of the M4. I really like the Desert Tech submission but it made the mistake of being too different without being overwhelmingly better. Even if it wasn't a paperwork situation, there is very little chance they would have won because they offered up something significantly different.
Right… they said the powered rail kinda sucks BUT with improvements i bet in 20 years its gunna be the standard especially with lighter weight batteries and the attachments themselves not being half a million dollars
What a beautiful sleek rifle, I think polymer ammo will be the next big step in firearms design and I love what you guys are doing with this would-be submission
Your MDRs are some of my favorite rifles in Escape From Tarkov, Thanks for making such good guns!
This dude fucks. There are lots of guys selling stuff they don't care about but this dude is all in on his passion and it shows how much he thinks about making it better. Desert tech is doing awesome stuff!
the stats on that 6 MAX seems awesome, very minor weight increase for significantly better performance vs. 5.56
You should do a video with Ian! At least a Q&A! Maybe go shooting together too! Thanks for this video!
Good idea!
Really really appreciate an explanation of the program and your experience. Was really excited at the prospect of polymer case ammo being accepted. It’s super cool to get insight as a consumer and I hope you guys bring your innovations to the private consumer pool.
Your welcome!
love to see yall pushing the envelope, looking forward to more videos like this from yall in the future
seems like a great rifle, probably should have won the bid
Sig has a large presence and strong lobby with key players. They did NOT have the best submission, however they satisfied the right interested parties. You can do your own digging and see what I'm talking about.
I'm still honestly shocked that they even picked a candidate from the NGSW instead of cancelling the program like they did the IC program.
The whole thing stinks of stupidity and corruption.
Sig's SAW submission was clealry the best, infact the only real option.
The companies that lost with their Saws.
The mistake was doing cartridge, rifle and saw all in 1 program. Should have picked a cartridge, then done separate programs for rifle and saw.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Everybody seems to agree that the new LMG is a huge improvement over current platforms. They should have adopted that and dropped the spear in the nearest garbage bin.
@@raifsevrenceBut you then run into the problem of a 6.8 LMG and 5.56 AR. Granted SIG has the money to fix that.
Thanks for sharing this with us. Your passion for the industry is palpable.
You’re very welcome!
great idea to replace m4 with 6max in quad stack and increase range at same time. everything u said was spot on. great job
Thanks 👍
You very clearly love the industry, I’m stoked just watching your enthusiasm. Thank you for bringing so much innovation and passion. I dream of one day being a part of a company like yours.
I freaking love the stuff you guys at Desert Tech come up with. I so very much wish I had the money for an MDRX. I want one so bad
I'd love to see that monolithic reciever concept in the mdrx. The handguard has probably been my least favorite part of building them. They're not fun to deal with on pin/welds and certain muzzle adaptors, don't hold any zero for lasers/irons, and require additional tooling and steps for barrel swaps.
Second!
That would be awesome on the mdrx
I appreciate the feedback.
I appreciate that you guys listen to your customers and keep updating the designs.@@DesertTechUT
I think the modular handguard is still a viable approach if it didn't rely entirely on the friction of T-nuts to keep it in place (the take down pin tolerance leaves a lot of play which it can shift in when the rifle goes through normal use). Something self-indexing like an indexing pin/extrusion or taper interface would let it hold and repeat zero and something toolless like a cam lever instead of countersink bolts would add a lot of value to it. LaRue's handguard lockup on their OBR and Siete rifles are a good example of what I'm thinking of and take a similar footprint to the current mounts.
@@cruzcontrol474👍🏻
Glad you guys put this much care into the guns
You guys make really iconic looking Guns! Thank you for making the Scify guys under us Very happy!
This was an awesome video and I had no idea Desert Tech submitted anything to the NGSW program. I’d trust a Desert Tech MDR variant far more than the Sig 6.8x51 rifle that mysteriously won that contract.
Some companies have politician payoff/bribe money💰... Mystery solved.😉 Same way Colt won the CQB Pistol contract despite multiple catastrophic failures (at less than 10k rounds!) during trials. 💸
The Sig won because the other two competitors couldn't meet the accuracy requirements.
@@kumarsalib722 Where did you hear that? I'm not trying to be an ass but I've never heard tell of that.
Sig won because of their machinegun saw replacement.
People forget the contract was for both the rifle and the saw. And only sig's saw was any good.
The program wasn't for the rifle, it was for the SAW replacement, and the SIG had the only good one by the looks of it. It was the Next Generation Squad Weapon program after all.
Beautiful bit of kit, looks a lot nicer than the other submissions. :)
I think so too!
I always enjoyed using the Cronen Squall. She was teh Meta for awhile.
A study was done on the lethality of the M4 vs the Ak. The higher velocity of the M4 round did substantially
more damage because of that higher velocity. Whatever replaces the M4 must maintain or surpass the M4s fps.
I don't think the Pentagon is going give up that advantage.
That powered rail would open up so many possibilities. IR devices and lights could be absolutely tiny, and all powered by a large rechargeable battery. Such a cool idea. Theoretically you could even have the IR laser match any adjustments made to your scope automatically.
General Dynamics: "We chose a streamlined bullpup design for both our NGSW rifle and automatic rifle to maintain a compact and maneuverable profile while fulfilling all of this program's performance requirements with flying colors and our partner's at TV are not only perfecting hybrid polymer-metal cased ammunition which will be a drop-in upgrade for small arms used throughout the US Military but are revolutionizing the industry with their containerized production line in a way that might transform military logistics forever."
Textron: "We've perfected cased-telescope ammunition which offers a night-and-day enhancement to ammunition performance and our rifle and automatic rifle entries bring to fruition decades of research and development conducted for the LSAT program in forms that will be welcome mainstays for the American Infantryman."
SIG Sauer: "WE GOT HOOKERS AND BLOW!"
Desert Tech: "Alright, sure, we were rejected before the final round of trials, but we made THE rifle we've always wanted to make, fulfilled the program requirements better than SIG, and we did all of this to support PCP Ammunition (a company we're proud we became partners with) when they made their bid in this program and we still believe we have a complete package that's a competitive and practical alternative."
Did someone say hookers n blow 😂😂
Desertech's submission would've been amazing to see. The SIG Spear is seriously front heavy and low capacity, your submission would've been the antithesis.
Your commentary on the drawbacks of NGSW is also hilariously accurate: it really feels like history is repeating itself! Looking forward to seeing calls for lighter rifles with intermediate rounds 50 years in the future
Watching this video with headphones made me think someone broke into my house downstairs. Hope we see some cool stuff at SHOT this year from you guys!
I had an opportunity to handle the NGSW Project submissions and never knew desert tech had worked on a possible option. How utterly disappointing I hadn’t been given a chance to fire this.
I was hoping to get a Military version of your guys MDRX. I would love to have it as a service weapon.
I follow desert tech work and trajectory since i was a kid, and i love it, keep the great work
That’s awesome!!
I loved his analysis at the end. Never heard of the 6 ARC, but I have been very impressed with 8.6 BLK.
I want to see a monolithic MDRX in 6 MAX now
That would be sweet!
some really interesting and cool ideas in here. i wouldve loved to see one of those fully developed rifles.
Me too
I think it is such a great reflection on you and your company that you create your gun, publish a video on it and then come on to RUclips to listen to us all and reply to our comments!
To me it signifies the best traditions of honesty and integrity! Bravo, Sir!
If I may make 1 quibble, would you consider or would it possible in the manufacturing process to make the magazine port a separate piece of the gun? So that it could be varied from accepting 20rd mags for riflemen to adaptable for your 40/50rd mags for the machine gunner?
That is a good idea however the MDRX linkages are in the way of the qmags unfortunately and it would be a complete rifle redesign to make it happen.
Looks like a PDR profile. It looks very promising!
Great video. I love the idea of rechargable battery packs which go into the grip housing. and able to power lights and optics. It would be amazing if you created a handguard which had an integrated light / switch.
Right on
The rifle looks great and i would love to see it contuonally improve and get released to the civilian market, a sister to the MDRX. The over the barrel suppressor getting even shorter and quieter and the quad stacked mags both are very exciting. At the least seeing some of these integrated into the MDRX or be options would be great
Desert tech is probably one of the best gun innovators these days, honestly such a good company
Awesome engineering DT! Not suprised the government made the decision they did. Everyone knows it's not about the best or most advanced weapons.
This is the most promising conversation I’ve seen on US small arms in 50 years, and I don’t say that lightly. NGSW is an abortion when it comes to trying to mass-issue that AR-10 carbine to 11Bs, 12Bs, 13Fs, and everyone that normally carries an M4A1 in the Infantry right now. It’s just a non-starter when you go down the duty position list in an Infantry Company. It’s even too heavy with too much sight picture disturbance for DMs in my opinion. I want minimal sight picture movement during the shot, so I can track the impact cleanly and get great follow-ups, without need of a spotter. The small frame AR-15 is where it’s at in that respect, but with some significant updates.
Thanks for the positive feedback!
Nathan formerly of TFB and I were bouncing around specs several years ago in chat over there that pretty much match something like 6.5 ARC to 6 ARC and 6 MAX. I think there's definitely something there. Especially since it doesn't really require heavier rifles than 5.56.
Is the 6.8 that you partnered on going to be commercially available? Any chance they could do that approach to a 6 ARC?
No there are no plans to produce the 6.8 PCP ammo more our NGSW rifle. However a 6 ARC or 6 Max could be retrofitted to our MDRX rifle platform.
That updated ngsw dream spec mdrx with the monolithic rail and quad mags in 6arc or 6max sounds awesome. A real next gen weapon
I liked and subscribed before he even mentioned it! LOVE this rifle! LOVE the recoil mitigation and love watching this, didn't even know Desert Tech has a channel!
I have my Quattro 15, and I love the new standard for capacity. Put the quad mag on your mdrx or some new bullpup variant and I will absolutely buy one
As much as I want to see the qmag on the MDRX rifle the trigger and mag linkages are in the way and it would take a complete redesign. With government development funds a redesign would have been funded. For now the qmag is constrained to the Quattro 15.
ahh thanks, we've all been wondering about that. seems like a natural fit. @@DesertTechUT
I am glad you guys continued ahead with the Quatro 50. Maybe Dt can make a Quatro Conversion Kit for the 556 AK or the Brens (805 or 806)
Or the MDRX. 🤔
Not really into bullpups, but DAYUM that's a beautiful rifle.
Definitely the absolute best , well thought out breakdown of this subject I've seen to date! Y'all's weopon systems are clearly the superior option in pretty much all categories an I'm not a rich man, yet! But I sure as hell would save all the nickels an dimes required to purchase a civilian version of your NGSW rifle submission. No contest, keep up the amazingly innovative hard work an have a happy new year 🎉👌✌️
Thanks!
Defeating body armor plates at distance is just not the goal to center an infantry cartridge around. The entire NGSW program is misguided, it's based on doctrine which was soundly refuted in the 60's, and if the army does anything with this other than replace .308 then they're making an unforced error which will cost lives and treasure.
If they want to replace 5.56 then going much larger in any dimension is probably a mistake, departing from the .378 bolt face is probably a mistake, and dropping the AR platform is probably a mistake. Other than that it's a great idea! Take something like BC Precision's 6mm max, work the polymer case shenanigans on it, quad-stack them; job done...and job done cheaply!
EDIT: Just watched to the end, I'm surprised we agree to that extent.
proof is in the pudding right now on the battlefields of Ukraine. And surprise surprise, there are still waaaay more casualties on battlefield made with artillery and explosion/shrapnel than with individual arms. individual marksmanship - to hell with it. when you watch war fottage, there are two types of trench fighting you can see: they are either firing in general direction of the nemy that you can't even see or you shooting a guy in a trench 3 feet from you. at that distance a burst of 5.45/5.56 does just as well as 6.8. Same argument as in the 30-40s 9mm sub-gun vs full-size battle rifle. equation still the same. point blank if enemy already in the trench or on tope of you OR in general direction if they are still not. Oh, and one thing nobody ever thought of - FPV drones. now going even after individual combatants. The more i think about it the more i agree with 6.8/spear as cartridge/platform was the dumbest goalpost and conclusion since m14/.308 adoption.
lol, that is great!
I think that the US Army has made a colossal mistake by not standardizing the 6.8 caliber before asking companies to submit their prototypes for the NGSW-AR and the NGSW-R programs. They should've done like the Soviets did in the mid 1940s, create a cartridge specifically fit for their needs and after arriving at a final design, ask each company to submit their own weapons instead of creating a fruit salad of different guns and cartridges.
Historically the Soviets did the exact same thing with (IIRC) three different cartridges and five different guns before they settled on 7.62x39. On top of this they also then dumped all five original guns they tried and told everyone to start making new guns around the new cartridge they selected. The US Army program is just a heck of a lot less efficient because they don't have the pressure of WW2 bearing down on them and they don't have communism's disregard for IP (all Soviet designers were told to freely "borrow" elements of their rivals' proposals).
Id argue this was actually better for the trial as it allowed the army to evaluate different designs without having to invest their own money into developing a new cartridge. Polymer cased ammo is just not worth it due to the problems we are seeing with true velocity and PCP ammo. The only other viable candidate was the Textron submission with it's careless ammo which had a lot of development behind it by the Army however that design was plagued with issues. The Spear was definitely the most sensible candidate because it was a conventional design and utilizes mostly M4 controls and battery of arms which saves the Army money on retraining soldiers.
I can't wait for this to hit the market
Keep innovating!, love your rifles!
I wonder how this would perform if configured as a battle rifle. Very interesting design.
I genuinely don't believe sig won this contract fairly. There were definitely deals going on behind closed doors that completely scuffed the other competitors who had arguably better rifle submissions.
Welcome to military arms trials; this is the way it's been since 1776, and it's probably the way it'll always be.
My understanding is they underbid the competition.
They charged the government cost only with no markup.
In return they got a grant to build the facilities, and can use the new facilities for production of this and other products.
Yor dream spec is fascinating, thank you for the video!
My pleasure!
I agree with this 100%! A 6ARC or 6MAX polymer case in a 40rnd mag and you have everything you need and more. It’s everything they have been asking for. That’s the beauty of the AR stoner design. A couple tweaks and you can have it up and running multiple calibers. As far as optics/lasers/range finders, those companies are inching closer every day to an all in one design.
I think the issue Desert Tech is gonna have with the military is you guys are way too innovative. Stuff like that scares the government. You also need a bigger loddying force. It’s not about the product it’s about how to line pockets. I want more than anything for you guys to do well because I absolutely love my MDRX. Keep up the great work and innovating.
That’s the primary reason why we released the QMag in Quattro 15 so they can make baby steps to innovation.
Anything is better than sig.
Could not agree more. That's a winner. Build it and they will come. (well build the creadmore interim version as a civ option. And an upgrade pathway to the PCP 5.6 version). You caaaan dooooo eeet!
The ideas that this had me thinking about ended up being a massive wall of text, mostly involving materials science, coatings, and techniques to reduce weight and keep strength. One part that I would add to the suggested weapon system is Finite Element Analisys ( FEA). FEA uses some very complex math to allow for the strategic removal of material from something to get the maximum strength-to-weight ratio. Very expensive software, more CNC time, but a performance gain that has no moving parts, no need for brain power from the end user, and it just keeps working.
When it comes to making a new cartridge, I would like to see a polymer hybrid of .300blk. Increasing the speed and keeping the stander 30rd magazine's.
That would be cool!
I don't really like bullpups. But I really don't like the Sig spear. Good God is the world ending all of a sudden? Why are we living in a world where I would prefer a bullpup over all the other options in this program? Hell just froze over, Jesus Christ.
audio quality so good I thought my niece was running around on my roof. Minor heart attack
lol sorry about that. That’s what you get in my home studio on the weekend. 👍🏻
I didn’t know I needed this.
One of the things you quickly learn about firearms design and design in general is that there are materials you could use to reduce weight, increase strength, etc. They just cost a tremendous amount. Titanium components, carbon fiber, etc. The real mastery of end-product design is getting it done with what's commonly available. A few innovations integrated into established concepts and designs can net significant improvements to functionality and usability without breaking the bank, and accomplishing that kind of balance of innovation and practical, affordable materials is no small task. I'm not only impressed, I'm inspired by some of the choices and ideas you're working with. While I'm not an expert in firearms design (merely an informed enthusiast) I am a conceptual artist that tries to give serious credence to ergonomics, material, and believable, practical design. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and perspective, and I look forward to seeing what you folks come up with next!
what a great system. the quad stack mag is very innovative.
Thanks for sharing this beast of engineering!
You bet!
Count me in💥. The muzzle velocity is awesome. New subscriber here..👍🏼👍🏼
It baffles me how Textron was able to get as far as it did with the sliding chamber, yet here you guys are with a far more reasonable and proven rifle.
Awesome video and great perspective
Glad you enjoyed it!
5:16 you can hear the kids running around having a blast at dads work 😂😂
Home office studio. That’s what happens when I work on the weekends. Lol
Yup. Weekend warriors.
Another great video!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
556 in poly case with quad mag is awesome. Civilian market would be all over both.
definitely will be paying close attention to anything u develop in the future; very forward thinking, great designs and solid reasoning all around.
Much appreciated!
Cool to see 3D printing be used in the design and prototype process
This is a brilliant answer to the design questions posed by the NGSAR/NGSW programs. Hugely impressive given the time frame. The powered rail is a great execution aesthetically and technically.
Thanks!