I worked with Desert Tech for my engineering senior project (similar to an internship) designing assembly jigs and instructional 3D assembly animation videos for the MDR. The amount of engineering and R&D that went into that rifle was mind blowing. Its cool to see something I had a part in make an appearance on Forgotten Weapons.
Thank you for assisting in designing the inspiration for one of my favorite weapons in Arma 3 + ACE... though not including the magical 100 round 7.62 NATO mags that are less than half the weight they should be that you had nothing to do with.
That's nothing. The US nearly adopted a rifle that did that in the 20's with the Thompson Rifle. Admittedly, you had to have 2 enemies at 90 degrees to each other, but that's just details!
@@gabenplznerf1093 Probably the most complex part of a firearm is in the ammo it fires. That's why bullets aren't dirt cheap compared to BBs. For airsoft the most complex part is also the propulsion for the projectile. It's just held inside the gearbox rather than inside a brass tube.
Holden McKroin most guns are engineered to be as simple as possible. Aside from the obvious need for being sturdy for military use,a firearm also has to survive pretty huge amount of force for a long time compared to something like a BB gun
That and the magazine. The military probably spends most of their budget on magazines and ammo. Magazines are also the fulcrum of any modern day gun. If the magazine sucks the whole thing sucks
@@24YOA I suppose the cost is linked to the thing that makes the projectile fly. Modern cartridges contain the propellant, where airsoft BBs are powered by the gun.
Its not forgotten its a boutique gun that's way to expensive even compared to a tavor. Its like the Q fix bolt action. Its expensive for the sake of expensive. Purely a status thing for people with way to much expendable money.
I shall not be satisfied that this weapon is worthy until it is chambered in .45 ACP, can make 1 pot of coffee per minute, and has defeated an ACR, SCAR, M107, and a Mosin in the Pugil Stick Pit without scuffing the logo.
We need a weapon highly reliable in desert applications where fine grains of sand easily get in the weapon. Desert Tech: *Creates one of the most complicated ejection systems ever*
I foresee a cheap television military murder mystery episode made with this and somehow the killer is gonna get rid of all the casings but the one held in the port and that's gonna be his downfall.
@@SandyAndy90245 CSI in its heyday would have happily included it. They regularly built episodes around weird shit from the headlines, or some cool gadget a producer discovered.
As a left handed shooter, we are already used to having to pay an extra premium for left handed guns so spending a little more on a gun as cool as this that is completely ambidextrous is hardly even an issue.
He stated in an interview he does some engineering and appreciates the engineering behind a fire arm ( not exactly what he said but along those lines), and basically the main reason he does forgotten weapons is to try and save the engineering designs and known knowledge about a fire arm.
@@kyleschafer6275 You can really tell the difference between the guys that actually use weapons and the guys who read books and make RUclips videos about guns.
According to their Shot Show video on the Desert Tech MDR (and the .308 Tavor), both Ian and Karl found the MDR to be wildly superior to the Tavor - to the point where they tried to arrange rifles so they could do this takedown and shooting review.
vastly less reliable too. Biggest one for me is they reduced the size of the extractor over what *everyone* uses, thus making it rip the rims off cases if *anything * is slightly off. Ejection system needs hand tuning to not suck from several reports, as sharp edges catch the case jamming it up. Gas system was (is?) a mess, using overgassing to try and force stuff to work through high energy.
I really liked it until you began to take it apart - this screw, and that screw, and here a pin, then there a pin. It has got some nice design ideas, mostly for left-handed shooters. But especially regarding taking it apart for cleaning, changing barrels, maintenance etc., the AUG has already been doing a much better job for over 40 years.
That's the thing with the AUG - it's easily serviceable and durable as hell simply because the mechanism is so simple. In both terms it beats the AR15 with ease. In my opinion there's only one thing about the AUG that sucks - and that's the trigger. Apart from that a modern AUG is just fantastic in every way.
@@Skyfox94 Trigger pull issues have been the bane of many a bull pup design, and the chief reason (IMO) why bull pups haven't taken off as a main-stream battle rifle.
While there are more than the usual 'fiddly bits' than what would be desirable in a rifle, the fact that it's a short-stroke gas system instead of direct impingement translates into simpler cleaning to maintain it. This rifle has two levels of maintenance: battle cleaning, and a full take-down cleaning; having shot an M16 for many years, this weapon is not as bad in terms of "field cleaning", and *far more* forgiving if it's only casually cleaned. Something you can NEVER do with an M16... you clean it religiously, or it WILL fail you at the worse possible moment. Been there, done that, and still have the OD t-shirts to prove it.
Except it doesn't work unlike the SCAR. SCAR is quite a capable rifle, mild recoiling for such a light .308 and very reliable. The MDR .308 recoils harshly, is very unreliable and almost as expensive as the SCAR H.
Funny story. There were 2 or 3 companies working on lowers to convert scars to bull pups since the action is in the upper reciever like an ar180. Hadnt heard if any making it into production however.
Note, you don't have to remove the barrel or hang guard first and the pins that do separate the lower and upper do not require the tool, just something to punch them forward.
@@neilhightower2270 you know that’s precisely who is supposed to field strip any piece of equipment are the regular front line troops, right? Hence the term field strip- to tear down in the field.
@@opforind After watching the InRange video my suspicions where met, the ejection system isn't reliable and neither are the other mechanics. It's a real shame. Perhaps best to stick to what has been done in the past because you really can't beat or not yet anyway a good AK or a good AR.
This is one of the first bullpups that I absolutely love. I am left handed so most I dont even bother with, but this ones setup perfectly to cater to both left and right.
I absolutely love seeing you look at newer guns because you pay attention to and address several details that most other reviewers gloss over if they mention at all.
Technically it looks absolutely brilliant, with the possible exception of relying on way too many fasteners. Practically speaking though...... I guess I've got three major problems with it. The first may be solved with time, and that is reliability. How well it'll function over time and in adverse conditions is just a big unknown. The second is support. Anyone remember the SIG 556xi for example? Or how about the "magpul" ACR? Lots of promises were made about manufacture, support, and conversions and largely it just didn't materialize. I have similar concerns for this platform, especially since if Desert Tech goes under there is a whole lot of nothing in the way of support for the rifle. And third is price. The base rifle is a bit dear at 2.5K while a Tavor is 1.5K, but okay fine it is more advanced and all that. However the conversion kits are 750-1000$ each. You could buy some really nice rifles in each and every caliber for the price of a single MDR to cover the range. And this is where my concerns all converge. At this price few people will want to be the first to try, which will lead to low sales, maintained high prices due to low volume, low volume means fewer conversions and less support, and all of this makes it more likely Desert Tech won't be around in 10 years and the MDR will really belong on Forgotten Weapons as a clever quirk of weapon design which just didn't catch on. *shrug*
Whatfor5 IMHO Desert Tech is akin to a much higher end Kel-Tec. They release some pretty sweet looking and high quality designs but don’t have a big enough pedigree to be considered a true “military” firearms company. Albeit, their guns are designed with combat in mind, like the SRS. Give this rifle a few years and we’ll see if it lives up to the hype (and price) or just becomes another ACR/XCR/F2000. P.S., huge fan of yours, I still remember the first time watching your RHOP tutorial for my Ares UMP-45.
Seems like the proper market strategy would be to come in to the game with a ‘budget’ rifle at around $1000 and then build off of that. Put out a product that represents proof of concept and is cheaper to produce while maintaining reliability. Then have higher higher/priced options(all the fancy shit like chromed, fluted, ported barrels, stainless internals). Like buying a $1000 AR as opposed to a $2000 AR. Because as it stands I’d rather buy a ptr if I wanted a 308. The ONLY thing this rifle has going for it, from my perspective, is that it’s bullpup, which is arguably a bad thing.
I think it would be great if IWI bought DeserTech. That would assure long term support and they could position it as a subsidiary with various good quality niche designs.
This gun is more appropriate for this Channel than I would've hoped. It's good to get a Christmas present though, now I don't have to wait 20 years for the episode.
What I love about this ejection system is it throws .308(7.62x51) cases out a port that looks about the size of a pistol case. A really short pistol case. Not a whole lot of area to get stuff stuck in there, even with the dust cover open. Considering the fact that it's a full Battle Rifle ejection port!
As a lefty, this is one of the guns I’m excited about. If they could come down on price to about the $1400 range to compete with the AR10 market then I would bite on it. I have a left ejection AR 10 that I hunt with but it’s a little unwieldy in the woods with my suppressor attached.
My inner CAD/gun-design/all-mechanical-things-are-awesome nerd is deeply pleased by the clever mag release and ejection system. I'm pretty impressed by how short the length of pull looks. I've tried to design bullpups before, and could hardly get a 5.56 to be that small.
It might as well be vaporware. This is, as delivered, crap. Overly complex, unreliable junk. If one wan't an overpriced jam prone range toy, then yeah, at least it actually exists.
Yeah, I saw the InRange review. I will pass on this one for sure. I don't mind if a cheap gun isn't totally polished or needs some work to run at its full potential. If I'm dropping $2K or more on a gun it has to run almost flawlessly out of the box. This thing couldn't even run surplus ammo, which is my minimum standard for reliability. I understand this is new and hasn't had decades of work done on the design, but I've been an early adopter of a few guns in the past. While they were quickly surpassed by improved models they still ran perfectly on day one.
Interesting weapon, I would like to have one, but I can not help imagining when seeing more mechanical elements, more pieces more things to give problem or break.
@@ArtyTheta In theory. Watching their shooting video it seems to be a great advertisement for the KISS principal. This thing is a temperamental, jam prone POS currently. With a terribly designed ejection port, gas controls that you have to dissemble the gun to use, and obnoxious recoil. So maybe they succeed in the "better materials" side... but manufacturing techniques and QA? Nope. Sorry, but for an Infantry Combat Weapon, complex is bad. Period.
@@ravissary79 I am not advocating for unnecessary complication. Something like the AN94 is just bonkers I am advocating for technological advancements, that, most of the time, imply more complicated designs. Complicated designs do not exclude intuitive use
Great video as usual! Years ago, I dismissed this as too little too late, but thanks to your In depth look into this weapon system, it is an amazing piece of engineering....no wonder it has taken this long.....maybe one day I can add one to my bullpup collection....
I always like it when Ian says 'At any rate' as he transitions between topics, because it's a very appropriate phrase for a gun-person to be using. "Rate of fire" being the obvious comparison.
If this can get enough financial backing for volume production (keltec never figured this one out), and for advertising, It should sell well honestly. I know there are issues. price fasteners etc. But it's american made, bullpup, true ambi. It cumulatively tics a number of very big boxes that nobody else does. If the price got down to tavor money I'd likely buy it. Vegas is only a couple hours from their headquarters in salt lake, so any warranty is easy for me. I'm lefty, so this is one of the few bulpups I can really run without compensating for the gun's setup. and I prefer to put my money back into the american economy, not overseas. It creates american jobs, allows them to create more guns that create more jobs moving forward. I honestly don't care about the amount of hardware as it means I can simply unbolt and replace worn parts, and bolt in aftermarket parts if I so choose plus I'd rather replace a 40-50 dollar rail than an upper receiver.
Seeing some of the comments on the takedown, i was expecting it to be bad. But no that's honestly not that bad for a complete teardown. Plus for if you just gotta pop it open you water out some stuff or something else, you just have to pop two pins. So i don't really getting what people are complaining about. Also i don't think they designed this to be a military gun, at most a rifle for higher end security groups. It just comes off as more of a gun you'd use for private use.
Would have been neat having this on the L85A2 I used. I was doing a field experience and the person next to me was a bunched up. When they did their rapid fire drill they spewed casing straight into my face and down my shirt.
Hi, Ian. That looks like a very well engineered design. Totally ambidextrous, clever ejection method, and other goodies. I hope they can add a muzzle brake. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
As convenient as it is, i don't see much advantage in it being user reversible. Once it's on the users preferred side, it'll sit in that position forever, won't it?
This is going to be great for a civilian rifle but how will it stand up to five automatic fire mag dumps after being humped through scrub for two days? Militaries won’t except a level of reliability that civilian shooters will.
When I fired the F88 Austeyer years ago shortly after it was introduced they got us to remove the barrel and check the chamber when we were on the range. You could just see the chamber through the ejection port though you know it’s definitely clear if you are looking into the chamber with the barrel out. Not sure if they still check it like that. I”m guessing it was more to show the range officer it was clear.
The ejection system is pretty slick with everything being only two pieces that could be easily swapped. Some say bullpups are a dead end of development but this shows people are willing to improve the idea till it works just as fine as conventional rifles. Also Ian would you think of a military using a family of bullpups in 5.7, 5.56, and 7.62 with PDW, mag fed LMG, DMR, and basic assault rifle? Or a 6.4 by 38 military round? I have both ideas in my 200 years in the future on Mars science fiction novel. Your videos have been a great help for me to get ideas or information for my book.
I am manly figuring the Martian nations would at first get old surplus till they would either have a large civilian arms industry or government run armories. The Russian colony in my book who is going through an independent war has Mosin Nagant and AKs being issued to militia units from old military warehouses.
But that's all the independent movement have. They do have more modern equipment for front line units and the only the over energetic volunteer militias which are never meant to see action are armed with the older equipment. It makes them look good for the people for parades but that all their good. Even the characters all of ohm are military members of a different nation can see it is all a show and nothing more.
That is Slick Ian, I enjoyed using Australia's AUG (F88 Austyer) as a left hander, even if it was 5.56, 7.62 was my preference back then.. I want one..oh wait, I'm an Aussie.. Maybe I need to wait for things to change again..
Simon van Eeden There are several “star shaped” drives similar to the Torx, so it could be said that Ian was just being generically safe with his terminology......but it’s probably a Torx. 🧐😜
I took apart a Tavor recently, very similar including the locking pin that has to be rotated to release the barrel. It had a lot more pins than screws though which was a pain but perhaps more sand resistant than threads? Also has the swappable ejector ports thank goodness as I'm left handed too! I also added similar foam to the cheek rest as I like to keep my teeth on full auto!!
Same. They had a bad experience, sucks to suck but I still want it a lot. Just going to use one type of ammo, find the right gas settings and keeping it there and I am gucci. I am not shooting garbage steel ammo through my $2,500 rifle lol if you can purchase the gun but not quality ammo then you need find another gun
What I find to be quite interesting about the MDR is that it seems to be completely designed from the ground up. It's not a derived from any other platform that I'm aware of, nor is it a conversion of an existing platform. It's quite mechanically interesting as a firearm. This seems like one of the few guns I'd be interested in, but at the price it's out of reach at the moment. I've also heard a lot of issues with the rifles, so that also scares me a bit. If nothing else... it looks cool. It also seems to be well thought out in terms of ergonomics and handling.
Nice rifle with a lot of features. Some basic similarities to the Steyr AUG but man this rifle is difficult to strip in comparison. In recruit training with the Australian Army I could clear the chamber to make safe, FULLY strip including disassembling the gas regulator and the bolt group (bolt, firing pin, bolt sleeve, spring, etc) and re-assemble the AUG in 45 seconds. IIRC: Remove the magazine. Cock the rifle. Look in the ejector port to see if the chamber is clear. Push the thumb button on the receiver near the front hand grip, twist the barrel and pull it out. Release the action so the receiver doesn't fly out when unlocked. Push the slide button through the body to unlock the receiver. Pull out the receiver and bolt group. Place them down and flip the stock so the front end is on on a surface and the butt is pointing upward. Press the centre of the butt in and pull the sling swivel/pin though the side. Take the end cap off the butt. Pull the trigger group out of the back. Pick up the barrel and undo the gas regulator head and pop out its internals. Pull the bolt group out of the receiver and disassemble the bolt group. Fuzzy on the steps for that last bit but it has been over 20 years. All takes about 20 seconds with no tools required. Slightly longer to put it back together as re-assembling the bolt is a little fiddly. But I reckon a really experienced operator could fully strip and assemble including the bolt and gas regulator in 30 seconds. Obviously there are features of this rifle that the AUG did not have, the ease of use both left and right handed and the ease of swapping it over being a huge one, and being able to easily check if there is a round chambered also significant, but ease of disassembly and re-assembly does not seem to be one of them. One major bummer with disassembling the MDR is that if the barrel is hot you will have fun gripping it to pull it out. The AUG's integrated front hand grip is great for this as you don't have to touch the hot barrel. Standard procedure at the range for clearing at the end of a shoot included standing with the removed barrel on the left shoulder and the open ejection port of the cocked body on the right shoulder while NCOs walked along the line and checked that all were empty. That front hand grip was great.
that is some really nifty engineering. ive always like the look of bullpups but knew the downsides over a traditional rifle. this looks like it fixed the main problems in the system and seems like it would be as reliable as any. ill have to get one someday.
I concede, I give up, I yield. I have been a sworn opponent of Bullpups for the longest time, always weary of all the inherent issues. But this rifle really gives me hope for the category as a whole. With since minor adjustments I'd happily use this as a service rifle
Why not a conversion to 6.5 Creedmoor, wouldn't that be easier with 7.62 NATO as a basis? A 20" - 24" barrel would also be much more compact with a bullpup.
@@jimbotheassclown AFAIK the US SOCOM and DHS adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor for their DMRs and the Mk20 (FN SCAR). It would only be logical for Desert Tech to adopt this cartridge and take some of the SCAR market share from FN. Especially as the necessary barrel lengths for the Creedmoor are less of a pain with a bullpup.
lol 6.5 creedmoor are burning barrels on bolt action guns its not the just the heat and Socom has the budget to rebarrel the few rifles they have their not big army with millions of rifles so who gives a shit about a couple thousand?
The L98 A2 is manually operated NOT semi-automatic,you have to pull back the charging handle/cocking handle after every shot to chamber a new round,we had one NCO who would flip the rifle upside down and fire left handed or fire from the hip and would actually hit the target most of the time which is wicked considering he couldn't use the sights that way
@@Scrump_Can I stand corrected,it wasn't introduced till a year after I left Air cadets,wish I stayed longer lol because the A1 used to always fuck jam especially if we were doing rapid fire nobody could get through more than 3 rounds with out some problem
@@Scrump_Can with the A1 the magazines were supposed to be 30/32 rounds but if you put more than 28, you'll never guess what happened 😂😂jam it really was a pile of junk,but I guess a rifle is better than no rifle
I still want to see a production bullpup with one of those electronically actuated triggers. Feel like it would completely get rid of that entire problem, and I don't think it would be all that expensive to actually manufacture.
K&M M17S has a phenominal trigger, even compared to some of the AR match triggers on the market. The AUG triggers tend to be 8 pounds, but fairly crisp. They are good combat triggers.
I’ve read in multiple places that the main reason that the us never adopted a bullpup was the danger associated with a case failure. Glad to see a serious attempt to address that issue
Ian, have you ever designed or considered designing a pistol or rifle? I would think that with your knowledge and experience that it would be pretty damn cool!
If I were Elbonia, I’d love to outfit my army with these. Weird, but actually really damn good. Edit: It saddens me this rifle is not very CA compliant as the fact it has an over pressure hole cut into the barrel to prevent catastrophic failure is amazing. Safety is obviously paramount, beyond it working and working well.
MDR: Micro Dynamic Rifle
Brain: Mesignated Darksman Rifle
Ya beat me to it
legendary comment
This made me laugh more than it should have hahahahaha
Marksman's Designated Rifle
Darksman lol
I worked with Desert Tech for my engineering senior project (similar to an internship) designing assembly jigs and instructional 3D assembly animation videos for the MDR. The amount of engineering and R&D that went into that rifle was mind blowing. Its cool to see something I had a part in make an appearance on Forgotten Weapons.
That's so cool.
thank you for assisting in designing one of my favorite weapons in tarkov.
Thank you for assisting in designing one of my favourite weapons in Insurgency Sandstorm
Please nerf mdr ergo
Thank you for assisting in designing the inspiration for one of my favorite weapons in Arma 3 + ACE... though not including the magical 100 round 7.62 NATO mags that are less than half the weight they should be that you had nothing to do with.
Not only are you shooting bullets at the enemy, you're shooting empty shells at them too.
To quote Cave Johnson: "Plus, we're shooting the whole bullet. That's 65% more bullet, per bullet."
Germans have been doing that for years...just look at the ejection pattern of the G3/HK91!
That's nothing. The US nearly adopted a rifle that did that in the 20's with the Thompson Rifle. Admittedly, you had to have 2 enemies at 90 degrees to each other, but that's just details!
@@DerplingKing tactical maneuvering. It takes practice, but not impossible :-)
should be a borderlands gun
As yes, the MDR. The Many Dollars Required rifle.
Lmao
million dollar rifle
These are great lmao 🤣
Cheap compared to their bolt guns.
2000 per I'm pretty sure not the worst.
>Basic trained on AK
>"The rifle comes with a tool for disassembly"
>Brain: *error*
I started with airsoft guns so everything short of an AN94 it’s easier. Weird how the “toys” are so much more complex.
@@gabenplznerf1093 Probably the most complex part of a firearm is in the ammo it fires. That's why bullets aren't dirt cheap compared to BBs. For airsoft the most complex part is also the propulsion for the projectile. It's just held inside the gearbox rather than inside a brass tube.
Holden McKroin most guns are engineered to be as simple as possible. Aside from the obvious need for being sturdy for military use,a firearm also has to survive pretty huge amount of force for a long time compared to something like a BB gun
That and the magazine. The military probably spends most of their budget on magazines and ammo.
Magazines are also the fulcrum of any modern day gun. If the magazine sucks the whole thing sucks
@@24YOA I suppose the cost is linked to the thing that makes the projectile fly. Modern cartridges contain the propellant, where airsoft BBs are powered by the gun.
*Slaps top of MDR receiver*
"This bad boy can fit THIS many pins in it."
This certainly was a forgotten weapon after they announced it 4 years ago.
Micro Dynamic Marketing (MDM)
Its not forgotten its a boutique gun that's way to expensive even compared to a tavor. Its like the Q fix bolt action. Its expensive for the sake of expensive. Purely a status thing for people with way to much expendable money.
Like that MHG Sturmgewehr
@@DzheiSilis Except the Hill and Mac Sturmgewehr clones cost less than the MDR.
@@praetorxian Mom's Demand Money (.org)
The old InRange/Forgotten Weapons Double Feature Razzle Dazzle
DING DONG!
Youuuuu son of a bitchhhh
I shall not be satisfied that this weapon is worthy until it is chambered in .45 ACP, can make 1 pot of coffee per minute, and has defeated an ACR, SCAR, M107, and a Mosin in the Pugil Stick Pit without scuffing the logo.
YES!!
Given the InRange video, This seems more like foreshadowing
Design for manufacture is an underrated thing in all industries.
We need a weapon highly reliable in desert applications where fine grains of sand easily get in the weapon.
Desert Tech: *Creates one of the most complicated ejection systems ever*
I really like the whole idea of having the mag release accessible by your index finger, but man that reliability looks like a hot mess
Same for wet, Muddy, jungle environment.
Isnt covering the ejection port making it way harder for the elements to affect the rifle?
That ejection system is slick, reminds me a lot of old 1900's era machine guns because of the mechanism.
The first that came to my mind is Maxim machine gun. Not the same, but shells didn't just fly everywhere
That blowout plug system is probably the most innovative safety system in a rifle I've seen to date. Very cool!
I foresee a cheap television military murder mystery episode made with this and somehow the killer is gonna get rid of all the casings but the one held in the port and that's gonna be his downfall.
Hollywood is too lazy to write that into a script.
@@SandyAndy90245 CSI in its heyday would have happily included it. They regularly built episodes around weird shit from the headlines, or some cool gadget a producer discovered.
As a left handed shooter, we are already used to having to pay an extra premium for left handed guns so spending a little more on a gun as cool as this that is completely ambidextrous is hardly even an issue.
it's going to benefit for mass productions I think, and it's a cool feature
I feel like Ian appreciates the engineering as much as the firing / history.
He stated in an interview he does some engineering and appreciates the engineering behind a fire arm ( not exactly what he said but along those lines), and basically the main reason he does forgotten weapons is to try and save the engineering designs and known knowledge about a fire arm.
Ian is literally an engineer lmao
@@kyleschafer6275 You can really tell the difference between the guys that actually use weapons and the guys who read books and make RUclips videos about guns.
Desertech designers be like "What if Tavor but more money and more pins?"
Spot on lol
According to their Shot Show video on the Desert Tech MDR (and the .308 Tavor), both Ian and Karl found the MDR to be wildly superior to the Tavor - to the point where they tried to arrange rifles so they could do this takedown and shooting review.
And was also fathered by Magpul and MOE
@Bhum Brahmavira Not sure that is a good thing either.
vastly less reliable too. Biggest one for me is they reduced the size of the extractor over what *everyone* uses, thus making it rip the rims off cases if *anything * is slightly off. Ejection system needs hand tuning to not suck from several reports, as sharp edges catch the case jamming it up. Gas system was (is?) a mess, using overgassing to try and force stuff to work through high energy.
I really liked it until you began to take it apart - this screw, and that screw, and here a pin, then there a pin.
It has got some nice design ideas, mostly for left-handed shooters. But especially regarding taking it apart for cleaning, changing barrels, maintenance etc., the AUG has already been doing a much better job for over 40 years.
You feel like they spent all the time on the clever bits and kinda rushed the basics, which is a shame because the clever bits are really quite cool
That's the thing with the AUG - it's easily serviceable and durable as hell simply because the mechanism is so simple. In both terms it beats the AR15 with ease. In my opinion there's only one thing about the AUG that sucks - and that's the trigger. Apart from that a modern AUG is just fantastic in every way.
@@Skyfox94 Trigger pull issues have been the bane of many a bull pup design, and the chief reason (IMO) why bull pups haven't taken off as a main-stream battle rifle.
Everywhere a pin pin.
While there are more than the usual 'fiddly bits' than what would be desirable in a rifle, the fact that it's a short-stroke gas system instead of direct impingement translates into simpler cleaning to maintain it. This rifle has two levels of maintenance: battle cleaning, and a full take-down cleaning; having shot an M16 for many years, this weapon is not as bad in terms of "field cleaning", and *far more* forgiving if it's only casually cleaned. Something you can NEVER do with an M16... you clean it religiously, or it WILL fail you at the worse possible moment.
Been there, done that, and still have the OD t-shirts to prove it.
sees 7.62 in the title
sees tan color
*CONFUSED AND TERRIFIED TARKOV SCREAMING*
The one in tarkov chambered in 7.62 is black, the one in tan is chambered in 5.56
@@hp_3266 thank you for that context lol
@@hp_3266 Thank you, dude. I had no context.
And in tarkov its full auto lmao
Let's just call it
"Bullpup SCAR"
Tar-21's bastard brother
Tavor " 'murica " edition
I was thinking more of a tacr-h (tavor scar) lol
Except it doesn't work unlike the SCAR. SCAR is quite a capable rifle, mild recoiling for such a light .308 and very reliable. The MDR .308 recoils harshly, is very unreliable and almost as expensive as the SCAR H.
Funny story. There were 2 or 3 companies working on lowers to convert scars to bull pups since the action is in the upper reciever like an ar180. Hadnt heard if any making it into production however.
Things you cannot field strip: This rifle.
Standard troops really dont need to field strip a rifle
Note, you don't have to remove the barrel or hang guard first and the pins that do separate the lower and upper do not require the tool, just something to punch them forward.
@@neilhightower2270 you know that’s precisely who is supposed to field strip any piece of equipment are the regular front line troops, right? Hence the term field strip- to tear down in the field.
@@flyboy89ify Also really wonder why one would think you actually have to remove the handguard and barrel to be able to separate upper and lower ;-))
The ejection port is really neat although I have no idea how reliable that is. I love the safety venting hole, that's a really nice addition.
Time will tell
Yeah I found the ejection system very novel but couldn’t help but wonder if there was a simpler way to achieve it.
@@opforind After watching the InRange video my suspicions where met, the ejection system isn't reliable and neither are the other mechanics. It's a real shame. Perhaps best to stick to what has been done in the past because you really can't beat or not yet anyway a good AK or a good AR.
Kuddlesworth NA yep just watched it as well. At least it’s modular design leaves the door open for an improved ejection system .
@@opforind Perhaps you can't polish a turd?
This is one of the first bullpups that I absolutely love. I am left handed so most I dont even bother with, but this ones setup perfectly to cater to both left and right.
I absolutely love seeing you look at newer guns because you pay attention to and address several details that most other reviewers gloss over if they mention at all.
True, He is my favorite also
Technically it looks absolutely brilliant, with the possible exception of relying on way too many fasteners. Practically speaking though...... I guess I've got three major problems with it.
The first may be solved with time, and that is reliability. How well it'll function over time and in adverse conditions is just a big unknown.
The second is support. Anyone remember the SIG 556xi for example? Or how about the "magpul" ACR? Lots of promises were made about manufacture, support, and conversions and largely it just didn't materialize. I have similar concerns for this platform, especially since if Desert Tech goes under there is a whole lot of nothing in the way of support for the rifle.
And third is price. The base rifle is a bit dear at 2.5K while a Tavor is 1.5K, but okay fine it is more advanced and all that. However the conversion kits are 750-1000$ each. You could buy some really nice rifles in each and every caliber for the price of a single MDR to cover the range.
And this is where my concerns all converge. At this price few people will want to be the first to try, which will lead to low sales, maintained high prices due to low volume, low volume means fewer conversions and less support, and all of this makes it more likely Desert Tech won't be around in 10 years and the MDR will really belong on Forgotten Weapons as a clever quirk of weapon design which just didn't catch on.
*shrug*
Whatfor5 IMHO Desert Tech is akin to a much higher end Kel-Tec. They release some pretty sweet looking and high quality designs but don’t have a big enough pedigree to be considered a true “military” firearms company. Albeit, their guns are designed with combat in mind, like the SRS. Give this rifle a few years and we’ll see if it lives up to the hype (and price) or just becomes another ACR/XCR/F2000. P.S., huge fan of yours, I still remember the first time watching your RHOP tutorial for my Ares UMP-45.
Seems like the proper market strategy would be to come in to the game with a ‘budget’ rifle at around $1000 and then build off of that.
Put out a product that represents proof of concept and is cheaper to produce while maintaining reliability.
Then have higher higher/priced options(all the fancy shit like chromed, fluted, ported barrels, stainless internals).
Like buying a $1000 AR as opposed to a $2000 AR.
Because as it stands I’d rather buy a ptr if I wanted a 308.
The ONLY thing this rifle has going for it, from my perspective, is that it’s bullpup, which is arguably a bad thing.
I think it would be great if IWI bought DeserTech. That would assure long term support and they could position it as a subsidiary with various good quality niche designs.
A seal did test it in combat for about 6 months. I think they decided they didnt need a 308 bulpup.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
Man, the Master Chief collection PC port is looking really good.
Timhouse gun jesus for halo infinite
This gun is more appropriate for this Channel than I would've hoped. It's good to get a Christmas present though, now I don't have to wait 20 years for the episode.
Rifle like this make you truly appreciate beautiful simplicity of the the AR and AK.
What I love about this ejection system is it throws .308(7.62x51) cases out a port that looks about the size of a pistol case. A really short pistol case. Not a whole lot of area to get stuff stuck in there, even with the dust cover open. Considering the fact that it's a full Battle Rifle ejection port!
"only needs two tools to disassmble"
*P90 has entered the chat*
As a lefty, this is one of the guns I’m excited about. If they could come down on price to about the $1400 range to compete with the AR10 market then I would bite on it. I have a left ejection AR 10 that I hunt with but it’s a little unwieldy in the woods with my suppressor attached.
I see pinhead got into firearm design after the hell raiser movies.
My inner CAD/gun-design/all-mechanical-things-are-awesome nerd is deeply pleased by the clever mag release and ejection system.
I'm pretty impressed by how short the length of pull looks. I've tried to design bullpups before, and could hardly get a 5.56 to be that small.
Neat, glad to see it's not just vaporware. Everyone I knew who preordered them canceled and bought whatever new hotness was on the market at the time.
And they were better off, this thing is an unreliable expensive heap of junk.
Maybe Keltec RFB or RDB.
If you want a rifle with a similar concept.
It might as well be vaporware. This is, as delivered, crap. Overly complex, unreliable junk. If one wan't an overpriced jam prone range toy, then yeah, at least it actually exists.
Yeah, I saw the InRange review. I will pass on this one for sure. I don't mind if a cheap gun isn't totally polished or needs some work to run at its full potential. If I'm dropping $2K or more on a gun it has to run almost flawlessly out of the box. This thing couldn't even run surplus ammo, which is my minimum standard for reliability. I understand this is new and hasn't had decades of work done on the design, but I've been an early adopter of a few guns in the past. While they were quickly surpassed by improved models they still ran perfectly on day one.
@@illegalclown surplus ammo... reliability...
Pick one.
This has to be the nicest looking bullpup rifle i have ever seen.
Interesting weapon, I would like to have one, but I can not help imagining when seeing more mechanical elements, more pieces more things to give problem or break.
Better materials, manufacturing techniques and better quality control allow for more complex weapons
@@ArtyTheta In theory. Watching their shooting video it seems to be a great advertisement for the KISS principal. This thing is a temperamental, jam prone POS currently. With a terribly designed ejection port, gas controls that you have to dissemble the gun to use, and obnoxious recoil. So maybe they succeed in the "better materials" side... but manufacturing techniques and QA? Nope. Sorry, but for an Infantry Combat Weapon, complex is bad. Period.
@@killerpeaches7
By that principle we should be using pumps/bolt actions cause they are way simpler
@@ravissary79
I am not advocating for unnecessary complication. Something like the AN94 is just bonkers
I am advocating for technological advancements, that, most of the time, imply more complicated designs.
Complicated designs do not exclude intuitive use
I own one. It is such a cool idea but I wouldn't advise buying one. I've had problems with it. It is pretty picky with ammo
Ian is the ultimate Weapons geek. Love how he can geek out on neat features :)
Killed a guy on customs with one of these today
Found this video becasue I wanted 2 know how it worked after seeing the bolt so far up from the mag in game. lol
@@ld1728 well duh they had better ammo and higher firerate
killed a guy on customs using a mosin and got one of these off of him today ;)
Nice copy comment from that val video
He even has the pk-06 on it
Great video as usual! Years ago, I dismissed this as too little too late, but thanks to your In depth look into this weapon system, it is an amazing piece of engineering....no wonder it has taken this long.....maybe one day I can add one to my bullpup collection....
Even though I never have handled this weapon (and probably, never will), I still think this gun is awesome, just because of it's design.
I live in Utah always cool to see local firearms talent we have a weird amount of it for most of us being anti violence
"Uh, staff sergeant? I lost my takedown tool."
I always like it when Ian says 'At any rate' as he transitions between topics, because it's a very appropriate phrase for a gun-person to be using. "Rate of fire" being the obvious comparison.
If this can get enough financial backing for volume production (keltec never figured this one out), and for advertising, It should sell well honestly. I know there are issues. price fasteners etc. But it's american made, bullpup, true ambi. It cumulatively tics a number of very big boxes that nobody else does. If the price got down to tavor money I'd likely buy it. Vegas is only a couple hours from their headquarters in salt lake, so any warranty is easy for me. I'm lefty, so this is one of the few bulpups I can really run without compensating for the gun's setup. and I prefer to put my money back into the american economy, not overseas. It creates american jobs, allows them to create more guns that create more jobs moving forward. I honestly don't care about the amount of hardware as it means I can simply unbolt and replace worn parts, and bolt in aftermarket parts if I so choose plus I'd rather replace a 40-50 dollar rail than an upper receiver.
Can be bought and sold from standard licensed firearm retailers - but pro tip, you can find one in any Marked Room.
Desert Tech MDR. Because you can't fight the covenant with an AR.
Sez who??????!!!!!!!
And after the Master Chief lost his sidearm I tossed him my trusty AR15 and he greassed at least 15 or16 more of the Covanent fighters!!!!!
@@bassmith448bassist5 That’s when you toss him the MP17 (aka the SMG from Halo 3: ODST)
I mean, plonk a little display and flashlight on there and it’s pretty close to a UNSC assault rifle.
There are so many good guns coming out now, like this one.
"Enough with goofy ejection hijinks"
NO KEEP GOING
I can absolutely see this rifle in a military setting. And I like the sound effects for the ejection.
Seeing some of the comments on the takedown, i was expecting it to be bad. But no that's honestly not that bad for a complete teardown. Plus for if you just gotta pop it open you water out some stuff or something else, you just have to pop two pins. So i don't really getting what people are complaining about.
Also i don't think they designed this to be a military gun, at most a rifle for higher end security groups. It just comes off as more of a gun you'd use for private use.
Damn, that has some really neat tricks for a bullpup! Glad they took their time engineering it.
Would have been neat having this on the L85A2 I used.
I was doing a field experience and the person next to me was a bunched up. When they did their rapid fire drill they spewed casing straight into my face and down my shirt.
Hi, Ian. That looks like a very well engineered design. Totally ambidextrous, clever ejection method, and other goodies. I hope they can add a muzzle brake. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
Love your videos but I'm waiting for the 20mm machine gun from South Africa 😋😋😋😋
@@Mr_Makina. SAME
@@Mr_Makina just wait till Christmas
@@TerribleToaster im so hyped for that
20mm? Smfh. We want the space magic!
..and the 12 ga Spider vehicle defense gun from Rhodesia
Super solid in depth teardown 👍
Man i wish all bullpup rifle use this extraction system,it's convenient and simple for the user.
As convenient as it is, i don't see much advantage in it being user reversible. Once it's on the users preferred side, it'll sit in that position forever, won't it?
LoL did you not watch the video?
There's a good reason why they don't though. Those assemblies are pretty complicated.
This is going to be great for a civilian rifle but how will it stand up to five automatic fire mag dumps after being humped through scrub for two days? Militaries won’t except a level of reliability that civilian shooters will.
@@jenkinsonian The actual mechanism really doesn't look that complicated, and cause it just swaps out would be super easier to clean/improve
I've had my eye on these since MAC did his videos. Thanks Ian
"I think I'll ignore that..." :) Gun Jesus at his best.
When I fired the F88 Austeyer years ago shortly after it was introduced they got us to remove the barrel and check the chamber when we were on the range. You could just see the chamber through the ejection port though you know it’s definitely clear if you are looking into the chamber with the barrel out. Not sure if they still check it like that. I”m guessing it was more to show the range officer it was clear.
Yeah, I don't see this weapon getting many military contracts - tool needed for disassembly and the millions of pins.
Cool looking rifle, i never used a bullpup before,but look at this mdr.. Its beautifull.. I must have it !!
MDR=
Mormon
Designed
Rifle
I found one in a military box located in a community housing project in custom not long ago, sold it for quite a bite of rubles
Can you do a video on the history of the RPK ? I never understood where and why it came about
I think he touched on that on the video about the HK M27
@@Klovaneer He said RPK, not RPD
@@Myyra-games he also said about rpk. Read what he said again.
The answers to those questions are pretty simple.
Russians and Russians
Fantastic looking and great engineering.
Sad to see it doesn’t work yet.
As a fellow lefty, I fnd most bullpup designs useless. This one looks very well thought out!
Hear hear!
*hasn't watched the InRange video yet*
We're talking ergos here, not reliability. The 556 version might remedy the issues InRangeTv presented. Time will tell.
Have u seen arx 100 /160 rifle both side ejection system ? If they can design bullpup with thay you still have chance to get best one
"...blood all over the rifle. Not a good day." Dry humor. Gotta love it.
The ejection system is pretty slick with everything being only two pieces that could be easily swapped. Some say bullpups are a dead end of development but this shows people are willing to improve the idea till it works just as fine as conventional rifles. Also Ian would you think of a military using a family of bullpups in 5.7, 5.56, and 7.62 with PDW, mag fed LMG, DMR, and basic assault rifle? Or a 6.4 by 38 military round? I have both ideas in my 200 years in the future on Mars science fiction novel. Your videos have been a great help for me to get ideas or information for my book.
5.56 and 7.62 wont last 200 years. They might not last 50
@@mkfldargfv
For what i've heard the USA is looking to develop something more powerful than a 556 and something more controllable than a 308
I am manly figuring the Martian nations would at first get old surplus till they would either have a large civilian arms industry or government run armories. The Russian colony in my book who is going through an independent war has Mosin Nagant and AKs being issued to militia units from old military warehouses.
@@elliottbollinger3006
That would be like fighting today in Siria with a musket.
I dont think its a good idea
But that's all the independent movement have. They do have more modern equipment for front line units and the only the over energetic volunteer militias which are never meant to see action are armed with the older equipment. It makes them look good for the people for parades but that all their good. Even the characters all of ohm are military members of a different nation can see it is all a show and nothing more.
That is Slick Ian, I enjoyed using Australia's AUG (F88 Austyer) as a left hander, even if it was 5.56, 7.62 was my preference back then..
I want one..oh wait, I'm an Aussie..
Maybe I need to wait for things to change again..
Haha, silly Ian, the "star screw" is called Torx by tech normies like me
Simon van Eeden
There are several “star shaped” drives similar to the Torx, so it could be said that Ian was just being generically safe with his terminology......but it’s probably a Torx. 🧐😜
Doc T’Soni,
I was just having a little fun. Evidently your fun comes from being an insulting
“complete jerk”.
i changed out all my screws to Robertson
@@ridermak4111 No problem bro, you did not bully me. No reason to feel sad.
Doc is a silly angry little fellow.
@@ridermak4111 I appreciated your comment lol completely correct with a light tone, I don't see where that other guy found offence
I took apart a Tavor recently, very similar including the locking pin that has to be rotated to release the barrel. It had a lot more pins than screws though which was a pain but perhaps more sand resistant than threads? Also has the swappable ejector ports thank goodness as I'm left handed too! I also added similar foam to the cheek rest as I like to keep my teeth on full auto!!
What an awesome design. This must have cost a lot to produce.
Great content! Breath of fresh air, this would be nice weapon to have here in AZ.
Dear Santa... I think I've found what I want this year...
Did you watch the InRange video yet? This thing is hot garbage. They were reluctant to say so, but they didn't have to.
@@jimbob9049 I did, i still want it
Same
*hasn't watched the InRange video yet*
Same. They had a bad experience, sucks to suck but I still want it a lot. Just going to use one type of ammo, find the right gas settings and keeping it there and I am gucci.
I am not shooting garbage steel ammo through my $2,500 rifle lol if you can purchase the gun but not quality ammo then you need find another gun
Looking forward to the post shooting review. Cool firearm.
man, this looks properly Starship Troopers.
It’s been a good while since a newer rifle has actually seemed good to me. Good on those guys for making this.
Seems to me the ejection process is the weak point of the design, just seems like too much to go wrong.
As a former owner of the "good" version, the MDRX, you are very correct.
What I find to be quite interesting about the MDR is that it seems to be completely designed from the ground up. It's not a derived from any other platform that I'm aware of, nor is it a conversion of an existing platform. It's quite mechanically interesting as a firearm. This seems like one of the few guns I'd be interested in, but at the price it's out of reach at the moment. I've also heard a lot of issues with the rifles, so that also scares me a bit.
If nothing else... it looks cool. It also seems to be well thought out in terms of ergonomics and handling.
This thing has more screws than a Yoji Shinkawa drawing.
Nice rifle with a lot of features. Some basic similarities to the Steyr AUG but man this rifle is difficult to strip in comparison. In recruit training with the Australian Army I could clear the chamber to make safe, FULLY strip including disassembling the gas regulator and the bolt group (bolt, firing pin, bolt sleeve, spring, etc) and re-assemble the AUG in 45 seconds.
IIRC: Remove the magazine. Cock the rifle. Look in the ejector port to see if the chamber is clear. Push the thumb button on the receiver near the front hand grip, twist the barrel and pull it out. Release the action so the receiver doesn't fly out when unlocked. Push the slide button through the body to unlock the receiver. Pull out the receiver and bolt group. Place them down and flip the stock so the front end is on on a surface and the butt is pointing upward. Press the centre of the butt in and pull the sling swivel/pin though the side. Take the end cap off the butt. Pull the trigger group out of the back. Pick up the barrel and undo the gas regulator head and pop out its internals. Pull the bolt group out of the receiver and disassemble the bolt group. Fuzzy on the steps for that last bit but it has been over 20 years. All takes about 20 seconds with no tools required. Slightly longer to put it back together as re-assembling the bolt is a little fiddly. But I reckon a really experienced operator could fully strip and assemble including the bolt and gas regulator in 30 seconds.
Obviously there are features of this rifle that the AUG did not have, the ease of use both left and right handed and the ease of swapping it over being a huge one, and being able to easily check if there is a round chambered also significant, but ease of disassembly and re-assembly does not seem to be one of them. One major bummer with disassembling the MDR is that if the barrel is hot you will have fun gripping it to pull it out. The AUG's integrated front hand grip is great for this as you don't have to touch the hot barrel. Standard procedure at the range for clearing at the end of a shoot included standing with the removed barrel on the left shoulder and the open ejection port of the cocked body on the right shoulder while NCOs walked along the line and checked that all were empty. That front hand grip was great.
EFT Fans:
*Heavy Breathing*
*heavy breathing increases*
Ian's got Gear Fear, unless he's just waiting to get his hands on some M61 to bring that out. His Peacekeeper Rep is insane though, max level for sure
that is some really nifty engineering. ive always like the look of bullpups but knew the downsides over a traditional rifle. this looks like it fixed the main problems in the system and seems like it would be as reliable as any. ill have to get one someday.
Me: sees this video
Also me: *happy tarkov noises*
Téo Calvignac hopefully in tarkov it actually works
@@redbullsauberpetronas why?
Opachki
That ejector is some wizard shit
Looks a bit like copy of Polish MSBS in bull-pup configuration.
Except the MSBS-B is no longer developed
@@44Jervis I have no idea where did you hear this BS.
@@tomaszsiudak2807 MSPO
Jan Moszczuk fragout.uberflip.com/i/1055276-frag-out-magazine-22-pl/115?
Correct me if im wrong isnt the MSBS just a polish bullpup acr?
Watched the videos in the wrong order. Excellent as usual.
Ya da...ya da.....ya da, yah it's a interesting looking gun, but the most important question is..... will it hold up under the MUD & SAND test?
I love the shell ejection on this gun. My new favorite bullpup
MDR: Money, Dollars, REEEEEE
I concede, I give up, I yield.
I have been a sworn opponent of Bullpups for the longest time, always weary of all the inherent issues.
But this rifle really gives me hope for the category as a whole. With since minor adjustments I'd happily use this as a service rifle
Why not a conversion to 6.5 Creedmoor, wouldn't that be easier with 7.62 NATO as a basis? A 20" - 24" barrel would also be much more compact with a bullpup.
Exactly. Same mag, same bolt...
Why you like burning through barrels for shits and giggles?
@@jimbotheassclown just dont overheat the gun... I suppose you could rebore a 6.5 to 308 once the throat goes.
@@jimbotheassclown AFAIK the US SOCOM and DHS adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor for their DMRs and the Mk20 (FN SCAR). It would only be logical for Desert Tech to adopt this cartridge and take some of the SCAR market share from FN. Especially as the necessary barrel lengths for the Creedmoor are less of a pain with a bullpup.
lol 6.5 creedmoor are burning barrels on bolt action guns its not the just the heat and Socom has the budget to rebarrel the few rifles they have their not big army with millions of rifles so who gives a shit about a couple thousand?
That ejection port/dust cover is adorable. Sooo tinyy 7:00
As a cadet I shoot the l98 a2 frequently (semi-auto only l85) and I can verify I have seen people swallow teeth when shooting left handed
The L98 A2 is manually operated NOT semi-automatic,you have to pull back the charging handle/cocking handle after every shot to chamber a new round,we had one NCO who would flip the rifle upside down and fire left handed or fire from the hip and would actually hit the target most of the time which is wicked considering he couldn't use the sights that way
@@TheGingerburger that's the a1 model the a2 is semi auto only
@@Scrump_Can I stand corrected,it wasn't introduced till a year after I left Air cadets,wish I stayed longer lol because the A1 used to always fuck jam especially if we were doing rapid fire nobody could get through more than 3 rounds with out some problem
@@TheGingerburger yeah the a2 is gloriously fun, if it's clean you can dump a full 30 rounds without a single complaint
@@Scrump_Can with the A1 the magazines were supposed to be 30/32 rounds but if you put more than 28, you'll never guess what happened 😂😂jam it really was a pile of junk,but I guess a rifle is better than no rifle
Yay the one M congrats Ian &Karl
Everybody: name one bullpup that doesn't have a long, creepy trigger.
The AUG
Agreed, but i havent seen any serious trigger jobs for bullpups. Military m16/m4 triggers suck too but there are good aftermarket trigger packa
I still want to see a production bullpup with one of those electronically actuated triggers. Feel like it would completely get rid of that entire problem, and I don't think it would be all that expensive to actually manufacture.
K&M M17S has a phenominal trigger, even compared to some of the AR match triggers on the market.
The AUG triggers tend to be 8 pounds, but fairly crisp. They are good combat triggers.
X95
I’ve read in multiple places that the main reason that the us never adopted a bullpup was the danger associated with a case failure. Glad to see a serious attempt to address that issue
So they moved the mag well and ejection port behind the grip, only to shoot hot brass back towards the grip?
i owned one of these loved it ran about 3000 through it with 2 failures sadly i needed money but i am going to get another in the near future
Ian, have you ever designed or considered designing a pistol or rifle? I would think that with your knowledge and experience that it would be pretty damn cool!
The alt-flight He talks about it in the Q&As. Short answer: he has no interest.
@@bDEREZZED thanks, I must have missed that one, he would be a good technical advisor for some company.
Razor he hates the g3 with a passion, won't even shoot it if offered , he's like no thanks I'm good when it's a g3
If I were Elbonia, I’d love to outfit my army with these. Weird, but actually really damn good.
Edit: It saddens me this rifle is not very CA compliant as the fact it has an over pressure hole cut into the barrel to prevent catastrophic failure is amazing. Safety is obviously paramount, beyond it working and working well.