No one given 1000 do-overs could predict that Brady would be what he is. But looking back just on what he did at Michigan, 6th round? I could see 3rd or 4th based on a lack of volume and measurables. Maybe scouting departments didn't have the resources in 2000, or maybe they were just lazy. It wasn't like they always wanted freak athletes with cannon arms. Peyton Manning was 1st overall in 98. A bit more of a polished version of Brady with higher volume numbers in college.
Watching the film, to me, Brady looks significantly better in 2001 than he did in college. They read his talent right, they just didn’t know he was gonna become obsessive about every little detail. Brady had enough talent to be a reliable starter but it was his obsessive nature that made him great
It is still strange. Lamar Jackson was picked at 32 and really pissed when that happened. Before him were Darnold and Rosen for example. This year Achane was picked at 84, he looked to me like the nr. 3 pick behind Young and Stroud.
Also, it is hard to say that Brady would have been that great if it wasn't for Belichick and the Patriots. Not saying Brady is only the GOAT because of that, but probably wouldn't have as many rings and recognition.
The Patriots were 5-11 in 2000. Belichick was on his way to getting fired before Bledsoe got hurt. The Patriots was not this bed of roses situation in 2001 when he became starter.
10th in PRating may be the most impressive as it's like BAvg in Baseball, the longer you play the harder it is to maintain that stat, and Brady played longer than any of them
The scouting report you listed was MEL KIPPUR...Brady was not ranked high because it was political as Michigan was still trying to push Henson in the draft..that's why it took brady years to go back to Michigan... brady in his last 2 years was 20-5...was the last qb until recently to beat Ohio and Alabama...broke records in both the citrus and orange bowl...came back from 2 digit deficits in orange bowl thst was inspired....bradys greatness even in college had nothing to do with stats...it was his leadership and his ability to galvanized a team to believe and follow him....all you heard after that orange bowl victory was his teammates saying how Brady carried the team on his back....no Brady was a victim of politics on draft day...I for one am glad, because it MADE BRADY A LIVING LEGEND...BRADY ONCE SAID " I DONT WANT TO BE KNOWN AS THE GREATEST I WANT TO BE THE MOST UNFORGETTABLE " he wanted that when football was mentioned you coukd not do it with his name NOT being mentioned...AND BY GOLLY HE DID THAT
Will to _cheat_ to win you mean. Not will to win. Had he not cheated, then his will would have not been enough. Why does everyone consistently overlook this? Do you all _want_ to look up to cheats?
@@choosecarefully408 because he didn't do anything any other quarterback hasn't tried. Let's be real this is sports player's and coaches will do anything they can to get the upper hand.
@@bradstrayer485 Sometimes people say more by leaving stuff out. Jerry Rice admitted to using something that was technically illegal according to The Written Rules in the NFL at that time. If everyone else did, then what you just said applies to him. Deflate-gate _and_ the illegal recording of other teams' practices had been going on *for years* before either was discovered. One was uncovered *during a playoff game.* Simply reverse this. Had it been Brady & Bellichick who had _lost_ due to another team doing this to them, would we ever have heard the end of it? It's something quite interesting in the American Psyche. We want heroes, but we don't want to look _too_ high to see them. So we dismiss their faults. But imagine Tom having to explain to his own kids once they're old enough how or why he did that. I doubt it would do well for their self-esteem for him to just say "others _would have_ done the same." Wtf does that even _mean_ when others all had that exact same opportunity & _didn't_ do it? It's utterly empty rhetoric.
@@choosecarefully408 You are extremely naive to believe that the Patriots were the ONLY team to film practices, or try to use tactics to win. Secondly, deflategate is the dumbest excuse any Brady/Patriots haters use. The difference in PSI is minimal, not enough to provide a benefit. The required PSI is 12.5-13.5, 11 of the 12 balls tested at 11.5-12 PSI. Again I want to reiterate that you would be extremely naive to believe other teams didn't do things like film practices, or try and get coaches play books. I sincerely hope you don't genuinely believe that to be true.
@@Shurtz2012 1) We have evidence that the Patriots filmed others teams' practices. 2) You have none that any other team did so. 3) An assertion that they tried to or that they weren't the only ones _to_ try to means... what? That it's not illegal? 4) So if deflate-gate was not effective, again, what is that supposed to mean? That it shouldn't be illegal? Is diminishing its effects just something you do out of total ignorance? Or is it to make the Patriots more stupid for risking doing it? Have _you_ ever played football with or without these differences in psi & can you tell the difference? Hey, why not go all the way & imply it made life _harder_ for the team? After all, they'd only bothered doing it for years. You can't have it both ways. It either was cheating or it wasn't worth doing/risking fines, suspension, heck, total ejection from the league. Also, again, reverse it. Who wants to be the ones to lose to cheats? One way or another, it tarnishes everything. It's like steroids & baseball. Mark McGwire wouldn't have made the majors without 'em, & it diminishes what hitters like Stan Musial or Willie Mays did. & if it "weren't a big deal" no one would _do_ 'em. 5) Btw, saying that other teams also try & would love to film other teams' practices kind of _emphasizes that_ it's illegal & always should be, not diminishes, dismisses or reduces its impact.
If you asked 1000 of the greatest draft analysts back in 2000, not a single one of them would say that Brady would become a 7 time superbowl winner, 5 time superbowl mvp, 3 time mvp, 80k+ passing yards and 600+ touchdowns or anything even remotely close to what he was. That was because they focused on the physical aspects like his 5.28 40 yard dash or his terrible 3 cone drill but not a single one of them saw the intense drive to win that Brady had or his ability to perform when it mattered the most.
I watched Brady at Michigan and thought he might be a good backup or spot starter in the NFL. He was a good college QB, not a great one. Nobody here was shocked that he wasn't drafted higher.
@@billdang3953 I think Montana had more people interested in him than Brady. Sam Wyche said that there were fights in other teams' draft rooms over Montana. One example was in Green Bay. Scout Red Cochrane had watched him for four years at ND, and said that he just wins (sounds like Tebow). He was beside himself when Bart Starr took two guys from Maryland in Rounds 2 and 3 that didn't make much impact. Besides the Packers, there were other interested teams. The Bears were all set to take Joe early in Round 3, but Jim Finks got retarded and took a backup for Payton that fizzled. The Chiefs' QB coach (Kay Dalton) liked Montana, but their a@@hat team president (Jack Steadman) forced them to trade back into Round 1 and take the crappy Steve Fuller. Also, the Cowboys would have taken him if they didn't have three QB's, and Todd Haley's dad (who was an assistant with the Steelers in 1979) liked Montana.
So what metrics should have been used to measure the difference between him and the rest during the draft? Or did he just improve over the years? Or is it something you can’t measure or predict? Can you measure leadership if that was the defining characteristic? BTW I know nothing about football and am just here after the roast. 😂
There are visible metrics and invisible metrics. The great teams/scouts can see the invisible metrics. There are many variables. Because the player has to take advantage of the opportunity he is given and the team needs to do everything they can to provide the best environment for their players to develop. That is a short summary. It is a lot more complex than that. You are always welcome to join us. Hopefully, you can learn something from our videos.
@@MShot98 Peninnington was barely healthy because the Jets and Dolphins couldn’t protect him. That being said, Brady probably would have never gotten the chance to become Brady had he been drafted by the Jets, either. Nor would he have even been allowed to continue in the starting QB role on most other teams after their QB1 came back from injury. So Brady’s success is as much to do with who drafted him (Patriots, with Belicheck willing to trust in him long term) and when he was drafted (late 6th round so no pressure to perform immediately on a garbage team with no protection) as it was with his abilities. That being said, Brady made absolutely sure that when he got his chance, he would be able to take advantage of his shot, because he knew he might not get a second chance. So from the time he was drafted, he made sure that he kept working and improving his play (which he continued to do throughput his career). He could have resigned himself to being a career backup (which is usually best case scenario for late round picks), but he refused. It’s said that the first day of training camp, he showed up and told one of his coaches (don’t remember which coach) that he (Brady) was the best pick the Patriots ever made.
@@powerofk Pennington never had the greatest throwing power in the first place and two torn rotator cuffs doesn’t help but what’s your point in telling me something a patriots and Brady fan that knows all that for? I don’t get what you’re saying
I always wondered what would have happened if the St. Louis Rams picked Brady instead of Bulger, Bulger was good, but Brady was everything Bulger was but way better.
No Brady should not have been the first pick. He stock drop because he didn't impress the scouts in person. But he still got drafted. Supposedly only 259 players get drafted out of a pool of 16,000. So Tom was part of the 1.6% of players that got drafted. But by getting drafted low he was able to improve, something 70% of players that get drafted fail to do. So in conclusion, everything went just right.
mostly because of Michigan University politics. They only started Henson because there were donors to appease. And they didnt want Henson to solely commit to baseball.
Chad Pennington was a Pro Bowl quarterback on a below average Jets team before injuries took away his arm strength. Tom Brady was not good enough to start his rookie season. At best Brady was Jordan Love type project needing a year of development; he was average his third season.
He was never drafted with the intention of becoming a starter. At the time, the mindset was hed be a backup and they already signed Drew Bledsoe to a massive contract. He was no project I can tell you that. And no he was elite even in his 3rd season, not average.
Let's be honest. He was an average player on a team that was caught cheating during multiple seasons. Any of the 6 QBs selected before him could have done the same on the same teams (cept Wynn, he was awful)
No one given 1000 do-overs could predict that Brady would be what he is. But looking back just on what he did at Michigan, 6th round? I could see 3rd or 4th based on a lack of volume and measurables. Maybe scouting departments didn't have the resources in 2000, or maybe they were just lazy.
It wasn't like they always wanted freak athletes with cannon arms. Peyton Manning was 1st overall in 98. A bit more of a polished version of Brady with higher volume numbers in college.
Watching the film, to me, Brady looks significantly better in 2001 than he did in college. They read his talent right, they just didn’t know he was gonna become obsessive about every little detail. Brady had enough talent to be a reliable starter but it was his obsessive nature that made him great
It is still strange. Lamar Jackson was picked at 32 and really pissed when that happened. Before him were Darnold and Rosen for example. This year Achane was picked at 84, he looked to me like the nr. 3 pick behind Young and Stroud.
If Tom Brady had gone pro after his junior season, would he have been drafted higher? There would have been no Drew Henson complicating matters.
You didn’t mention Brady’s comebacks in college.
That tells me a lot about him.
Also, it is hard to say that Brady would have been that great if it wasn't for Belichick and the Patriots. Not saying Brady is only the GOAT because of that, but probably wouldn't have as many rings and recognition.
Agree, Brady going to the worst team in the 2000 draft; Cleveland Browns; Brady would have likely gotten injured and struggled early in his career.
The Patriots were 5-11 in 2000. Belichick was on his way to getting fired before Bledsoe got hurt. The Patriots was not this bed of roses situation in 2001 when he became starter.
You kidding me?? Look at the Patriots after Brady left.
10th in PRating may be the most impressive as it's like BAvg in Baseball, the longer you play the harder it is to maintain that stat, and Brady played longer than any of them
also consider the fact that Tom essentially played in 2 eras. The 2000s were more defensive and less pass friendly.
how has this guy not had enough attention
your content is crazy!. keep going man
The scouting report you listed was MEL KIPPUR...Brady was not ranked high because it was political as Michigan was still trying to push Henson in the draft..that's why it took brady years to go back to Michigan... brady in his last 2 years was 20-5...was the last qb until recently to beat Ohio and Alabama...broke records in both the citrus and orange bowl...came back from 2 digit deficits in orange bowl thst was inspired....bradys greatness even in college had nothing to do with stats...it was his leadership and his ability to galvanized a team to believe and follow him....all you heard after that orange bowl victory was his teammates saying how Brady carried the team on his back....no Brady was a victim of politics on draft day...I for one am glad, because it MADE BRADY A LIVING LEGEND...BRADY ONCE SAID " I DONT WANT TO BE KNOWN AS THE GREATEST I WANT TO BE THE MOST UNFORGETTABLE " he wanted that when football was mentioned you coukd not do it with his name NOT being mentioned...AND BY GOLLY HE DID THAT
Keep up your fantastic videos, God bless you
Great video, I’m sun number 600! Keep going your content is Amazing and well researched.
When Destiny is written there’s no stopping it and we all got to see Brady’s Destiny play out !!!!
Because gms were in love with drew Henson,akili Smith and tee martin 😂
Sad
He went where he needed to go
Spergon Wynn was obviously the better option
Bro you’re content is amazing I’m surprised you don’t have more subscribers honestly it’s a crime you don’t man honestly keep up the great work
He wasnt the first overall pick because the scouts were idiots.
Because you can't measure heart and a pure will to win in the combine or at a pro day.
Will to _cheat_ to win you mean. Not will to win. Had he not cheated, then his will would have not been enough.
Why does everyone consistently overlook this? Do you all _want_ to look up to cheats?
@@choosecarefully408 because he didn't do anything any other quarterback hasn't tried. Let's be real this is sports player's and coaches will do anything they can to get the upper hand.
@@bradstrayer485 Sometimes people say more by leaving stuff out. Jerry Rice admitted to using something that was technically illegal according to The Written Rules in the NFL at that time. If everyone else did, then what you just said applies to him.
Deflate-gate _and_ the illegal recording of other teams' practices had been going on *for years* before either was discovered. One was uncovered *during a playoff game.*
Simply reverse this. Had it been Brady & Bellichick who had _lost_ due to another team doing this to them, would we ever have heard the end of it?
It's something quite interesting in the American Psyche. We want heroes, but we don't want to look _too_ high to see them. So we dismiss their faults.
But imagine Tom having to explain to his own kids once they're old enough how or why he did that. I doubt it would do well for their self-esteem for him to just say "others _would have_ done the same." Wtf does that even _mean_ when others all had that exact same opportunity & _didn't_ do it? It's utterly empty rhetoric.
@@choosecarefully408 You are extremely naive to believe that the Patriots were the ONLY team to film practices, or try to use tactics to win. Secondly, deflategate is the dumbest excuse any Brady/Patriots haters use. The difference in PSI is minimal, not enough to provide a benefit. The required PSI is 12.5-13.5, 11 of the 12 balls tested at 11.5-12 PSI.
Again I want to reiterate that you would be extremely naive to believe other teams didn't do things like film practices, or try and get coaches play books. I sincerely hope you don't genuinely believe that to be true.
@@Shurtz2012 1) We have evidence that the Patriots filmed others teams' practices. 2) You have none that any other team did so. 3) An assertion that they tried to or that they weren't the only ones _to_ try to means... what? That it's not illegal?
4) So if deflate-gate was not effective, again, what is that supposed to mean? That it shouldn't be illegal? Is diminishing its effects just something you do out of total ignorance? Or is it to make the Patriots more stupid for risking doing it? Have _you_ ever played football with or without these differences in psi & can you tell the difference? Hey, why not go all the way & imply it made life _harder_ for the team? After all, they'd only bothered doing it for years.
You can't have it both ways. It either was cheating or it wasn't worth doing/risking fines, suspension, heck, total ejection from the league. Also, again, reverse it. Who wants to be the ones to lose to cheats?
One way or another, it tarnishes everything. It's like steroids & baseball. Mark McGwire wouldn't have made the majors without 'em, & it diminishes what hitters like Stan Musial or Willie Mays did. & if it "weren't a big deal" no one would _do_ 'em.
5) Btw, saying that other teams also try & would love to film other teams' practices kind of _emphasizes that_ it's illegal & always should be, not diminishes, dismisses or reduces its impact.
If you asked 1000 of the greatest draft analysts back in 2000, not a single one of them would say that Brady would become a 7 time superbowl winner, 5 time superbowl mvp, 3 time mvp, 80k+ passing yards and 600+ touchdowns or anything even remotely close to what he was. That was because they focused on the physical aspects like his 5.28 40 yard dash or his terrible 3 cone drill but not a single one of them saw the intense drive to win that Brady had or his ability to perform when it mattered the most.
I watched Brady at Michigan and thought he might be a good backup or spot starter in the NFL. He was a good college QB, not a great one. Nobody here was shocked that he wasn't drafted higher.
You could also say similar things about Joe Montana.
@@billdang3953 I think Montana had more people interested in him than Brady. Sam Wyche said that there were fights in other teams' draft rooms over Montana.
One example was in Green Bay. Scout Red Cochrane had watched him for four years at ND, and said that he just wins (sounds like Tebow). He was beside himself when Bart Starr took two guys from Maryland in Rounds 2 and 3 that didn't make much impact.
Besides the Packers, there were other interested teams. The Bears were all set to take Joe early in Round 3, but Jim Finks got retarded and took a backup for Payton that fizzled. The Chiefs' QB coach (Kay Dalton) liked Montana, but their a@@hat team president (Jack Steadman) forced them to trade back into Round 1 and take the crappy Steve Fuller. Also, the Cowboys would have taken him if they didn't have three QB's, and Todd Haley's dad (who was an assistant with the Steelers in 1979) liked Montana.
That's not how to pronounce "Mark Bulger!!!!!!"
His draft class is kinda similar to last year's draft.
So what metrics should have been used to measure the difference between him and the rest during the draft? Or did he just improve over the years? Or is it something you can’t measure or predict? Can you measure leadership if that was the defining characteristic?
BTW I know nothing about football and am just here after the roast. 😂
There are visible metrics and invisible metrics. The great teams/scouts can see the invisible metrics. There are many variables. Because the player has to take advantage of the opportunity he is given and the team needs to do everything they can to provide the best environment for their players to develop. That is a short summary. It is a lot more complex than that.
You are always welcome to join us. Hopefully, you can learn something from our videos.
Brady developed on a team with excellent pieces around him. Nobody saw that coming.
excellent pieces like Troy Brown? a 5-11 roster?
how does this guy only have 442 subs
Lets go i was the 200th subscriber
I don’t knowwwww I think I’m taking prime bulger over prime pennington, Pennington was just the most nfl ready qb in the draft
To be fair to pennington he played with the jets and dolphins in the early 2000s
@@why-km6lo truuue but he was also barely healthy, Rams just lost star power, but put Pennington on the Rams you think they continue?
@@MShot98 Peninnington was barely healthy because the Jets and Dolphins couldn’t protect him. That being said, Brady probably would have never gotten the chance to become Brady had he been drafted by the Jets, either. Nor would he have even been allowed to continue in the starting QB role on most other teams after their QB1 came back from injury. So Brady’s success is as much to do with who drafted him (Patriots, with Belicheck willing to trust in him long term) and when he was drafted (late 6th round so no pressure to perform immediately on a garbage team with no protection) as it was with his abilities. That being said, Brady made absolutely sure that when he got his chance, he would be able to take advantage of his shot, because he knew he might not get a second chance. So from the time he was drafted, he made sure that he kept working and improving his play (which he continued to do throughput his career). He could have resigned himself to being a career backup (which is usually best case scenario for late round picks), but he refused. It’s said that the first day of training camp, he showed up and told one of his coaches (don’t remember which coach) that he (Brady) was the best pick the Patriots ever made.
@@powerofk Pennington never had the greatest throwing power in the first place and two torn rotator cuffs doesn’t help but what’s your point in telling me something a patriots and Brady fan that knows all that for? I don’t get what you’re saying
@@powerofk I was talking about bulger and Pennington, other than Brady those were the better QBs in the draft. We all know Brady’s story lol
I don’t know how I have more subs than you dawg keep up the great work! ❤
Just added 14 mins of watch time for you
I always wondered what would have happened if the St. Louis Rams picked Brady instead of Bulger, Bulger was good, but Brady was everything Bulger was but way better.
Kippers for breakfast Aunt Helga?
4:15 you mean ints?
God bless
No Brady should not have been the first pick. He stock drop because he didn't impress the scouts in person. But he still got drafted. Supposedly only 259 players get drafted out of a pool of 16,000. So Tom was part of the 1.6% of players that got drafted. But by getting drafted low he was able to improve, something 70% of players that get drafted fail to do. So in conclusion, everything went just right.
I appreciate your comment, it is an excellent take Gio!
Well now 30 because he was on the buccaneers
Tom could not even start regularly on his college team.
mostly because of Michigan University politics. They only started Henson because there were donors to appease. And they didnt want Henson to solely commit to baseball.
Chad Pennington was a Pro Bowl quarterback on a below average Jets team before injuries took away his arm strength. Tom Brady was not good enough to start his rookie season. At best Brady was Jordan Love type project needing a year of development; he was average his third season.
He was never drafted with the intention of becoming a starter. At the time, the mindset was hed be a backup and they already signed Drew Bledsoe to a massive contract.
He was no project I can tell you that. And no he was elite even in his 3rd season, not average.
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Why was Tom Brady not the #1 draft pick? Because he was the last draft pick
There were seven rounds; 252 picks in the draft.
To anyone hurry watching this video its because he sucked in college
He made his team better; not sure how that validates your comment?
Let's be honest. He was an average player on a team that was caught cheating during multiple seasons. Any of the 6 QBs selected before him could have done the same on the same teams (cept Wynn, he was awful)
Explain the MVP worthy numbers Brady put up his first two seasons with Tampa. At worst Brady is third behind Montana and Unitas.
Dude he had to ball out in two of those first three superbowls, you are coping hard.
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You never made a point! I watched to the end, you feigned a "conclusion,' quoted Brady's stats instead, and ... ended?!?!?!?!?! YOU MADE ZERO POINT!
Its kIper emphasis on the I not keper!! You’re supposed to know about the NFL draft and you can’t pronounce the main guy on ESPN?
man I wonder who your dad is 🤭
Because it was harder for him to cheat in college so he kind of sucked
Montana is better than Brady
In your delusional mind.. Maybe 🤷🏻♂️