after hearing Alistair Begg tell a grandma to go to her grandson transgender wedding & take a gift !I am so thankful to hear Pastor Piper stick with the Bible says...Brother Begg needs to repent...
But you have to be fair to him, by that he did not mean she should affirm the wedding, but he only meant she should do it as a demonstration of love. His advice is still disagreeable, but we should be accurate about what he precisely meant
It really doesn't apply. While he quotes 1 Cor 6 he forgets 1 Cor 5:9-12 I wonder how many people invite unbelieving friends to their Christian weddings, does that then make their wedding acceptable and unbelieving, well looking at the divorce rate maybe they are unbelieving to begin with, or valid why would we think our attendance in some way means affirmation. When you protest something you can do it in many ways I would have taken a Bible as a gift and highlight every passage. We are to make disciples use your opportunities as you can. Maybe it would be good to sit and cry at these physicalist humanist "weddings" or "marriages" or "unions" because it is truly a sad occasion. It should be attended as anyone attends a funeral.
@SavioursWon but what you're saying when you state, "use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means. But we know that we have to do what is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. Just because we we might be able to "disciple" them by showing love at their wedding (if we can call it that), doesn't mean it's the right thing.
@@mhwt565 ("use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means) that is clearly a false equivalence, making disciples is pleasing to the Lord. It is the duty of all Christians. Further "17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. 20But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. 22Be merciful to those who doubt; 23save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear-hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." Try to understand, Christians are like people who have a cold and are contagious and they go around to others who also have a cold and they sit there giving each other c cold when what we are supposed to do is be contagious to others. You cannot live in isolation and be effective in the ministry. This is the reason I previously posted 1 Cor 5. God bless.
@@SavioursWon Watch Justin Peter's pastoral response to Beggs. This should help to unpack the deeper principles of what is acceptable/unacceptable and why according to the Bible as long as you are one of us that follow that, not our own understandings or feelings
@@KNIGHTFOX80 yeah long winded and sorry they never once show why going to this event was actually sinful, they just make weak analogies and make up things about what Jesus would or would not doand try and say that the gospel accounts for everything that Jesus did, they poison the well, make strawman arguments about what the sermon was about and I get they felt offended by his response but he really never needed to respond to begin with or apologise, nor should the church act like cancel culture thugs we see running around, what they have to do is show the sinfulness of being in attendance is sinful and this they are unable to do, the only reason I would not send someone to this event is because it may affect them seeing the degradation but not everyone is so thin skinned that they are unable to stand firm on the truth in the face of evil and show God's love that He came down and walked among filthy disgusting constantly sinning sinners in all their daily and constant filth and hatred and blasphemy of God. Please we really need to see God's love clearly and not invent this idea to not infiltrate and influence the culture the world or the church will become irrelevant. Hey but maybe I'm just not so bright and all these clever people are just far too smart. You have to deal with 1 Cor 5 and other passages which tell us to influence the culture. Please notice not once didBegg and neither have I affirmed this marriage as such or claimed it tobe a valid marriage/wedding etc.
So it's okay and not foolish if you sell your Daughter as a sex slave, who can then sell her to his son when he is bored with her too as per Exodus 21:7?
@@msladymack1960 She's making a hypocritical point on a public comment forum, I'm calling it out. SIMPLE. What point are you making other than posting a useless question?
@@j.n.3577 You have to understand the Bible and the sequence of events. Old Testament deals with Israel being under "The Law". They were far from perfect people, but they were chosen by God. For them, God issued 10 commandments and 600+ laws because they were so corrupted in their hearts that no one would survive if every sin was punishable by death. Those laws were made for Israel and they are not to be taken out of context. Those laws don't reflect the personality of God, they just reflect the corruption of Israel. Jesus on the other hand reflects the personality of God, He gave the 2 commandments that overwrite all 600 of them. Matthew 22:37-40 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. People try too hard to depict God anything else but love. You have to study the Bible and see for yourself.
@@tygerovi Those evil laws cannot be dismissed since it was cruel behavior condoned. There isn't any context that makes it morally acceptable unless you condone/passively endorse human (sex) trafficking which the Scripture there clearly does. I'm not claiming it reflects any god, esp. since the Bible was written by men. Ceremonial laws may have been abolished, but that is the only thing I've seen, such as certain dietary and clothing restrictions.
*Finally, a real man of God, with an obedient heart for God!* I'd rather stand with God and against the world, rather than with the world and against God.
My son is gay and almost married his lover. I was sick at heart and torn because we believe it is wrong. We keep praying none of his relationships will last. He was raised in Christian home but has left his faith and is angry that God made him gay. His name is Aaron. Please pray for him. We love him so. Our arms are open wide too but he has also left us.
Why are you sick at heart ? There is not one of us without sin ...your son you say is angry at god for making him gay ..... understand please ...his anger is because man judges him so called Christians judge him ...n yet ...whom of us can say we no longer sin ,? If the lord met with him n he will .his response to him would be very very different from the response of the church that he was brought up in ....pray for him ....yes but also I pray for all those whom made him feel the worst ..and excluded.. actually Paul said he was the worst of sinners ....don't worry ...his ways are not our ways neither his thoughts ours ....my prayers are for healing for you ...nnin so too healing for him
Unconditional love ...that is the lord's way ...I sense in your heart your inclined to that ...n it is right ...do not do not say look your wrong it's against God ...unless you yourself are totally without sin ....because even a thought a passion a small sin is still against God ....n we all fall short...but the problem is your telling him he falls way shorter than you ....missing the mark is missing the mark ....that's why he came ...for all of us n that's why Saint Paul in the new testiment said he was the cheif of sinners ...may God bless you n trust he hears the heart of man humbled xxxxccmuch love ...ask God to deal with you .n me ...n then once that happens healing will come....I can tell you this because me n my family have been thru this
Being a ‘Christian ‘ is hard in a satanic world, going through this now, and have had many a difficult discussions in my family. Dealing with a prodigal is most heart wrenching, but remember God honors the commitment to His word, be strong in the Lord.
@@ToninoterRessort We put our complete trust in Christ, turn from our sin and to His righteousness and He will change us! I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
Whether it uses the term or not, the meaning is still the same. The original text was translated so all can read it and understand it, not to change the meaning. If we are going to follow your logic then maybe stealing and all the other sins should be thrown out as well because it was originally written in a different language.
imdaboss426 He never used a word that said or means homosexual - that is the point. It has been re and mistranslated to say something that is not in the original text. Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible.
Please may I share my testimony with you. I always knew that I was gay, and from a very young age I prayed to God asking Him to take these tendencies away. Many years later on one particularly bad night, I believed I was going to die. In the depth of my despair, I asked Lord Jesus for forgiveness and to my surprise He answered me. My spirit has burst into such powerful flames of love and mercy that it has seemed as if I was totally dissolved in Him. By this stage I was already in a loving relationship with my partner, and when I asked Jesus if I should leave my partner. The Lord told me to regard him as my husband
@@jasonhockly8655 Unfortunately many do not possess the correct orthodox understanding on scripture and Christians feel that repentance is a once off act. Repentance is a life long struggle, one that continually demands that we analyse the sinfulness within our selves and seek the mercy of God to overcome these sinful tendencies. Pointing out the sinfulness in others is a judgmental sinful tendency that needs to be repentances of. The Pharisees were very happy to point out the sinfulness and shortcomings in others but failed to see their own. Jesus condemned this behavior. By pointing out the sinfulness in others we become like the Pharisees who were very happy to have St Mary Madelaine stoned. We behave the same way when we throw scripture to others to highlight their sinfulness. But Jesus said that those are are free from sin may cast the first stone. I always find it helpful to regard myself as the worst of all sinners. As this puts me in a position of humility and powers where it makes it easier to never judge others.
Hey Craig, Wow. Someone's done some research here. I'll reply to this but I really can't let it turn into a debate. As for it being my opinion, the Scriptures say what they say. It's pretty clear. Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Judges 19: 22-23, 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, and there are a couple of others. The scriptures never use the word "homosexual" in the original languages because the word wasn't used then, just as it wasn't in many of the earlier English translations. But the truth is there. As for them being "unchanged by man," they were translated into English. But that doesn't invalidate the meaning. God intended man to be with woman in marriage and sexual intimacy (which is only within marriage). I highly recommend reading the scriptures I listed above in many of the translations you listed. Read them in light of both Romans chapter 1 and Jude vs. 7. And also search out the meanings of the words in the Greek and Hebrew, including the moods, tenses, etc. Honestly, I doubt either of us will be able to change the opinions of the other but as I said in my previous comment, if the scriptures contradict what I've listed or said here, I'm certainly open to seeing them. And please understand, as I said, it's not about opinions. I follow Jesus Christ as my King. He is the Word of God. And if God says something is against His will, I must line up with it. Thanks for the comments Craig.
@@SuperFreeamerican And what were marriages, in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, intended to be there, and executed how, and how consensually, also? Expansion potentially desired, here. Also, what was His will, during the blood libel, Inquisition, and the slave trade, within past Christendom? That was explicit, I mean? Rather than inferred.
An easy search: BIBLE + FREEMASONRY, through which lies and truth becomes easy listed. So far i have listed 28 lies and 28 truth. Have you started to dig? What have you found? What do you know about masonry club? About the evil rulers of this world, masons, what you know about them?
Almost 3 years ago, I attended my male cousin's wedding to another man. Coming from a Catholic family, some of my family members did not agree with nor attend the wedding, but I went even though I didn't agree with homosexuality. I was still a young Christian and I never felt like it was my place to directly tell them they were wrong, since my cousin is quite a few years older than I am and we were never really that close growing up. But I can say that at the wedding, I did not really enjoy myself. I felt like a huge part of what marriage is meant to be was missing and it just didn't feel real. I ended up dancing for one song and then sat at the table and wanted to go to bed. I feel sad for my cousin and I don't really know how to help him. And now, he and the guy he calls his husband have created 2 beautiful baby girls via in-vitro fertilization and a surrogate mother, and I also don't know how to react to this process. They are innocent babies created in the image of God and I am trying to celebrate their lives. But at the same time I am heartbroken that they aren't being raised by their mother and instead have two fathers. Also I'm scared that they won't teach these precious babies about Jesus and that when they grow up, they will only see a god who is against their fathers. Please pray for my family and these baby girls. Thank you!
Im sure those baby girls are going to grow up loved and free to find Jesus just the same. I have several friends of same sex marriage raising children and those children are precious and perfect and doing perfectly fine. Celebrate their life as much as you can without judging their circumstance because that’s the true way to love others in the face of disagreement
Perverse and mentally sick world we live in, when we even consider the abomination of 2 men getting married as even close to legitimate. Marriage is for a man and woman. Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve.
I totally agree with Pastor John and I thank him for listings the reasons. I have to say the thought of it made made me feel sick. Keep up the good work Pastor John.
This reply is most apt and based on the Word of God. Thank you, I'm certainly going to use this reply to teach this fundamental truth about marriage to the unlearned.
Hearing pastor's voice make me believe again that there are still people in this world who will pay the highest price to tell the truth. I thank God for it.
sad to see a young lady indoctrinated with this kind of hatred. I hope you will spend time to think about the evidence for your specific God and the inexistence of the thousands of others you just happen to not have been born into.
This whole debate boils down to whether you believe in what the bible says or not. If you do, then you'll agree with Piper, otherwise go with the flow. My personal opinion is to agree with him, but I want to emphasize that this doesn't justify any kind of hate towards anyone. You may disagree with or hate their acts, but Jesus teaches us to always love and wisely serve everyone as they are.
@@mnight207 No. It would be unloving to condemn them though. It would also be unloving to condone their sin which would ultimately destroy them (unless they repent).
But if you believe in the bible then you're contradicting yourself it is a sin to follow false prophets right so how do you know these were the prophets of god who wrote this bullshit you don't because no man can claim theyre the prophet of god I listen to god not men #Getwoke
Your son was lucky then. Hope he and his husband had a lovely day. You are the one that missed out on one of the most important days in his life and he was better off without you there.
I understand his answer, I think it is a logically consistent, and loving response response. But I have a question - don't we, as Christians, do the same thing when we celebrate the marriages of heterosexual couples who aren't getting married under God, or who are living in lifestyles of sin? How can we separate the two? Thanks.
LINDSAY BENITEZ you’re right on, it’s the same thing! Marriage is a covenant & when you attend a wedding you are being a witness to the covenant. So it’s definitely important for us to be in prayer and have discernment about whether or not to attend a wedding!
Just a quick thought but I disagree. Whenever a marriage occurs with one man and one woman, God recognizes that as a marriage whether they attribute it to Him or not. Versus a "same-sex marriage" is more just a worldy ritual and doesn't have any Biblical support whatsoever.
@@ayoiawe Ahh, I see. If that's the case then it depends on the life status of the other divorcee (if the former spouse is dead then the marriage covenant is broken). But otherwise I would treat it the same as the same-sex ritual.
If an all BUT “Baby Christian” couldn’t give this answer they, and/or their pastor are guilty of inadequate or poor Bible study and teaching. Maranatha!
Really? It just seemed nasty and full of hate. Oddly the bible does not mention lesbianism, although obviously this represents the patriarchal time in which it was written.
Actually paster I think if you read the words of Jesus he said in heaven no man or woman will be given unto marriage so maybe you may not know him ..as you think you do we should all be careful to not make god in our own image or understanding ....now I know the typical protestant answer ...but we have the mind of Christ .....so we can say n declare ....jesus wrote on the sand when the prostirute stood accused ...turned to the pharacies n said let the first among you without sin cast first stone ...n then he turned to her n said woman were are your accusers ...? So therefore you have none ..neither do I ....go n sin no more .....sin ? What is sin ? .it's the act of selfishness ..doing something to put yourself n own needs before another ..or God ....when you judge these people paster ...be careful ...you do not know what is within there hearts ..n trust that in many hetrosexual relationships there is the seed of terrible self gratification ...
@@93Current Oh but it does. "That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other." - Romans 1:26
Steven Mcleish lol it seems full of hate... sheesh. Someone is overly obsessed with modern living and doesn’t understand the Biblical literature. He said it as politely and calmly as possible, just clarifying that it is a sin based on the information found in the Bible. That, to God, a marriage is between a man and a woman. So while the “marriage” is a cultural, or lawful marriage in the eyes of the culture or government, it is not a Marriage as defined by the Old Testament nor New Testament. In fact, both Testaments define it as sin, so to attend and pretend it isn’t sinful in accordance to the Word of God is just that, it would be pretending.
That was an excellent, biblically based response. Thank you for that. Full of love and understanding, and yet not compromising on truth. We need more of that today.
WAIT! So your saying that not accepting someone for who they truly are is full of LOVE? How does that make sense? If anyone in the comments can answer me that, I would greatly appreciated.
Alex, you can love someone but disagree with them, or believe they are doing something wrong. If your dog chews up your living room, you think that was bad of your dog but you still love him. If someone you love killed someone, committed adultery, robbed a bank, etc., you might think those actions are wrong, but you still love them and care about them. Tolerance is being civil with that person, even if they are doing things you don't accept as moral. If your brother keeps annoying you and you take it patiently, you are being tolerant. To be tolerant suggests there is something you are being tolerant of that you dislike, or else there's no need to tolerate it. You are happy! Did that give clarity? Another thing to note is that there is no evidence of a gay gene. People are not born homosexual or lesbian. It's certainly a multifactoral thing, very complex, but this is something that God can heal.
Dawn, I fully accept that the reason you think that homosexuality is wrong is because of your religion. It says in the bible that it is wrong, ergo it is wrong. But I do wish that people of your persuasion would not then make unsubstantiated statements such as ' people are not born homosexual or lesbian' Really? Are you an expert on homosexuality? If not, what research are you quoting? I assume you must be quoting convincing scientific research, otherwise you wouldn't make such a statement as if it were an undisputed fact. And what exactly do you mean by it's a 'multifactoral' thing? Explain, please.
John, that's a fair question. Yes, I have done research on this very topic as I wrote a book called, "Fully Persuaded." www.amazon.com/Fully-Persuaded-Dawn-Foss/dp/1632688875. I had a section on homosexuality in this book. I'm also a family nurse practitioner. Here is a link from the Christian Medical and Dental Association, of which I'm a member. which will give you a wonderful outline about the basic beliefs from a medical standpoint, with a biblical worldview. You see, science doesn't change, but perspectives on the data do. If you are anti-God, you will view it through those lenses. If you are pro-God, you will view life through those lenses. It's called a biblical vs. secular world view. The links below are statements from the Christian Medical and Dental Assoc. and then I also included a link to Focus on the Family's site on this topic as well. Let me know if you have any questions. cmda.org/resources/publication/homosexuality-ethics-statement www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/sexuality/understanding-same-sex-attractions/are-people-really-born-gay
and homosexuality is not a sin. This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
Sarah Flara If you say Piper is not wrong - then you are saying God is wrong. God never said 1 word about homosexuality why is Piper. God said many kinds of relationships, marriage was ok. Fact is the Bible does not say or mean homosexuality is a sin - in the original text - why do you and Piper thing otherwise. It is not Christian to go against God. Its time real Christian step up and stop the crap dogma this is not Christ Like.
Sarah Flara If you believe homosexuality is a sin - then yep you are not with Christ; you are not a true Christian. Like Piper you twist and turn God's Word. Just like when you say read Rom. In the original text homosexuality was not a sin - so how it is a sin in your Bible?
Sarah Flara There is no argument - Biblical fact - original text - homosexuality is not a sin. Yes, God gave you free will, believe as you wish. What I, and many others are doing and will continue to do is untwist what has been twisted. Know God loves you no matter, same as God loves me. Bye
Im sincerely curious why or why not JP would attend a non-Christian heterosexual wedding who remove God/Christ/Spirit from their celebration, covenant and marriage?
Because in every wedding there is a ceremony of procreation, but in a gays function, there is no such procreation ceremony and so it cannot be called wedding.
What a great answer: thorough, Biblical, loving, humble. When I became a new believer in Jesus Christ in the early 1980's, my mother invited me to attend "an exchange of vows" between two women. Of course, it was not "legal" then, but some homosaxuals were exchanging vows. I gave similar reasoning for not attending, and my mother exploded with profanity and accusation. I think her reason for inviting me in the first place, was so that she'd have a reason to unload this animosity against Christ, primarily. How sad. But as a new believer, it was difficult for me to choose loyalty to Christ first, since she was the only (birth) family that I had. There is sufficient reward in Christ for choosing what honors Him, and of course the whole body of Christ is my spiritual family. But I can certainly empathize with believers who are put into this circumstance, and the family implications that surround it. Thank God for the clarity of His Word. And thank God for Pastors who are courageous and do not cave in to the world and society.
Isn't it awful to have a mother who doesn't share or at least understand your reverence to God's will? The Bible says that He will come between a father and son, a mother and daughter...etc. and that we are to choose God first over everyone, including ourselves and our families. I hope all is well with you since that day 40 years ago. The reward for your faithfulness is waiting for you!
I came across your comment as i was watching the video. Currently my fiance is in a similar situation, his sister is getting "married" she invited us both, in which i say thanks for the invite but i can't attend. But his mother said he needs to go, even though she knows he does not agree with this union to begin with, she "believes in God' but she is not a firm believer. My mother in law is permitting this, and she is okay with it or seems like it, and i think her way of showing love is by going and being present. My fiance's dad is more of a solid believer and sound in scripture but he pretty much does what the wife says or feels obligated to go because is his daughter and also bc my mother in law makes it seem like a "you must go" My mother in law even told my fiance that she wouldn't come to our wedding if he doesn't go to his sisters, that broke my heart tbh. We both know we would not feel comfortable at all attending and pretending to be okay with it and how piper mentioned "lying" about it being okay. I can see he is very hurt by this because is his family and to be put in a situation like this "if you dont go... then i wont.." especially from his mother. I just pray the Lord continue to give him the strength to stay firm and faithful to the Lord and do what honors him.
@@saturn722 However, after 2 Samuel 24, and Hosea 9, why on Earth should I do that? And how do you view 'marriages' such as in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, also?
Fair Point 1 second ago The usual unoriginal thoughts of those inured in Bronze Age fairy tales. Not one iota of tangible evidence to support their flatulent musings.
I am in a difficult situation because I got saved 5 years ago and from the age of 4 I’ve known my dad to be homosexual, I had always grown up knowing it wasn’t ‘normal’ but I loved and still love my dad a lot I used to celebrate his sexuality and if anyone spoke against him or made fun of him because of it o would get very angry. My dad announced he was getting married last year and I couldn’t celebrate it, I couldn’t go to it or wish him congratulations because I know what I didn’t know before, I love my dad and I was bold enough to tell him why I couldn’t go or celebrate it, I tried to tell him in the gentle and kindest way I could and explained that we are all sinners in need of saving and gossip or lying is no greater than homosexuality, it has completely ruined our relationship I’m heartbroken and hurt because dad has taken this as a rejection from me and I’m a bigoted Christian labelled as hateful towards the gay community. I have tried to explain to him but I can’t do anymore he lives abroad so I never see him which makes it worse. This had been a testing time for me these past 3 years. But I know he needs saving I know he needs Jesus so I can’t celebrate what god calls sin and watch my dad walk into hell, I love him and want to tell him the truth even if that means our relationship is fractured. Please pray for me for wisdom and understanding and please pray for my dad Neil, thank you
Charlene Bains:stay the course, run the race, endure. We are to love God more than man, even our very own family. If your Dad truly loved with the agape love he should have for his child, then your opinion of his lifestyle would not stop him loving you. Sadly the human heart is more wicked, more deceptive than most of us begin to acknowledge. Sexual preference is not something we are born with. This one of the greatest lies of the devil. If people were born 'gay' then people are born 'pedophile'. Taste for certain things is not what we are, it is simply we get a taste and a liking and so have preferences through experiences and by how our minds process these experiences. Love your Dad, pray for him daily, never give up hope. Being reborn in the spirit changes not only hearts (love of evil) but changes mind (having the mind of Christ in us) and we turn from sin which is essentially everything that harms us and separates us from God.
I really have sympathy for what u going through with ur father. But also i praise u for standing so strong and so bold in ur faith. U can do exactly what our Lord has warn us in Matthew 10:34-39. i doubt that i can do the same if i were in ur place. so cheer up and always look to our Lord Jesus face, let the holy spirit comfort u n give u strength. u have experience what a follower of Jesus must experience. Let's what is said in acts 5:41 comfort u, that u were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name. Keep pray for the work of Holy Spirit so ur father can know and accept the truth n changed.
Charlene Bains good for you Charlene! What you did was actually much more loving and caring than attending would have been. Love is seldom about going along with what looks good, sounds good, or feels good.
You did NOT do anything wrong. I pray that your dad will see the error of his ways and repent knowing that God loves him very much but not his sin. Most of all I pray that you are alright and that you never ever give up...give in...or compromise because those who are in sin have a tendency to make those who are obedient to God feel bad. And make you feel the emotional blackmail. But you are not alone. Know that there are other ppl facing the same test and trials in their walk with God. Amen.
I am not a Christian but I hope my thoughts are welcomed here. I thought Pastor John presented an empassioned case for what naturally follows if one accepts the tenets of Christianity. For me, my means of empathising with this is to liken Christian tenets to mathematical axioms in that, if they are accepted, what follows can be internally consistent. But what struck me more and what motivated me to comment is not necessarily this consistency, but more that I discerned an earnest compassion and a heartfelt remorse in John's voice imagining his son spending an eternity in hellfire for following a path towards a sincere, if axiomatically misguided, conception of love. This must be a struggle for Christians when love is invoked in support of acceptance of LBG+ lifestyles for, of course, who would dare argue against love? That's the definition of hate. But if one wholeheartedly accepts the tenets of Christianity, the most loving thing one can do for a loved one is to guide them on a pathway away from eternal damnation. That must be so tough to grapple with day-to-day. I do feel for you. I know we're all just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones.
Well, sexuality and relationships derived from it are not analogous to math. Secondly, a belief system that does not distinguish between consenting adults and what they do and people transgressing others in some way isn't one I have any interest in at all.
Can we go to a wedding where the couple was living together before marriage? Can we go to a wedding where the couple was sleeping together before they got married? Seems like it is the same issue.
To make it even more general, would Piper say that a Christian should not attend the wedding of a non-believer? How is their union (or perhaps he would say "union") as unrepentant sinners, any different than a gay couple marrying? Equally, would he claim that sitting down to dinner at a gay couple's home is sinful because it "blesses" their sin? I think his approach to this question leaves a gaping hole regarding how Christians love sinners even in the midst of their sin. Which is, of course, exactly what Christ did for us.
@Ann As a devout christian, I see no problem with attending a marriage where the couple sinned before their union they will have together with themselves and with the Lord. Sinning or making a mistake does not make their marriage any less valid or beautiful or real in God's eyes. But when talking about a gay "marriage" the whole thing is an absolute fraud and a rebellion against God's holy created order. God defines marriage because he created it, we have absolutely no right to change it or practice it in any other way then he decreed.
I agree with you @swtor. Paraphrase the bi le if you are burning you should get married. That means to correct all wrong. So if you are in fornication you get married. Marriage is still to create union, if they marry then it is a repentance because they will have sex the way it was meant.
I have a question for Pastor John. If someone is attending a church regularly and a decon stands on the pulpit telling blond jokes every Sunday. the pastor lets him do it. then what should the person attending the church do?
meinerHeld The original text of the Bible tells me, the Bible is silent on homosexuality, and does not mention - 2 of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning. Actually God is all about love, so how can two in a loving and committed relationship be sinning or against God - can't be. Piper is a bigot.
***** I want to give you advice directly from the Bible. This is meant in love and completely truly. "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." I Corinthians 6:9-10 Be blessed, friend.
meinerHeld What you are sending is not the original text of the Bible therefore cannot be the True Word of God can it? The Greek word malakoi, which is the plural of malakos, and the Greek word arsenokoites are both used in 1 Cor 6:9. Here is how the KJV translates I Cor 6:9. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (malakoi), norabusers of themselves with mankind, (arsenokoites)" -1 Corinthians 6:9, KJV Malakoi In 44 Translations The Apostle Paul - AD 55 - Greek - malakoi Wycliffe - 1380 - neische Wycliffe - 1388 - letchouris ayen kinde Tyndale - 1526 - weaklinges Martin Luther - 1534 - weichlinge Coverdale - 1535 - weaklinges Matthews - 1537 - weaklinges Great Bible - 1539 - weaklynges Swedish Version - 1541 - weaklingar Geneva Bible - 1560 - wantons Bishops Bible - 1568 - weaklinges Valera Spanish - 1602 - effeminados Rheims-Douay - 1609 - effeminat King James Version - 1611 - effeminate Portuguese - 1690 - efeminados Daniel Mace New Testament - 1729 - the effeminate Darby - 1884 - those who make women of themselves Darby French - 1885 - effemines Young’s Literal - 1898 - effeminate ASV - 1901 - effeminate Weymouth - 1903 - any who are guilty of unnatural crime Louis Segund French - 1910 - effemines Moffat - 1913 - catamites (boys who have sex with men) Lamsa Translation - 1933 - men who lie down with males New American - 1941 - sodomites Revised Standard - 1952 - sexual perverts Amplified - 1958 - those who participate in homosexuality NASB - 1963 - effeminate New American Bible - 1970 - boy prostitutes New English - 1970 - guilty of homosexual perversion NIV - 1973 - male prostitutes NKJV - 1979 - homosexuals JW-NWT - 1984 - men kept for unnatural purposes New Century - 1987 - male prostitutes Green’s Interlinear - 1986 - abusers NRSV - 1989 - male prostitutes Bible In Basic English - 1994 - one who is less than a man CEV - 1995 - pervert NLT - 1996 - male prostitute Complete Jewish Bible - 1998 - active or passive homosexuality International Standard Version - 2000 - male prostitutes The Message - 2002 - those who use and abuse each other World English Bible - 2005 - male prostitutes God’s Word Translation - 2006 - homosexuals The NET Bible - 2006 - passive homosexual partners The Remarkable Semantic Shift The remarkable semantic shift in the meaning of malakoi, which by 1958, came to equate malakoi with homosexuality instead of softness, moral weakness or effeminacy, was not prompted by new linguistic evidence. Instead, cultural factors influenced modern translators to inject anti-homosexual bias into their translation. In ancient times, the malakos word group never referred exclusively to homosexuals and lesbians. The malakos stem rarely, if ever, referred to homosexual behavior. Further, I have never seen any indication that the ancients used the malakosword group to refer to lesbians. Yet, translating malakoi today as homosexuals causes the word to include lesbians, something the original text never said and translations never said for 1900 years. It should be clearly understood that most antigay Christians today interpret 1 Corinthians 6:9 as a universal prohibition of homosexuality including lesbian relationships, this in spite of the fact that most of our spiritual ancestors did not understand the text to say that. Scripture cannot mean now what it did not mean then. Translating malakoi as homosexuals imposes a twentieth or twenty first century cultural meaning on the text which malakoi did not mean in the first century. If malakoi was not a universally understood reference to homosexuals in the first century when Paul used it, then malakoi does not mean homosexual today. The Malakos Word Group The word malaka, with the general meaning soft, is used three times in the New Testament, Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 10:1. It is translated disease in the KJV and sickness in the NAS. The Greek word malaka has nothing to do with homosexuality The word malakos occurs four times, in three verses in the New Testament. In Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25, Jesus uses the word to refer to soft clothing. In the Bible, Jesus never used the malakos word group to mean homosexual. Paul uses malakoi (the plural of malakos) in 1 Corinthians 6:9. Some translations translate malakoi as "male prostitutes." (NIV, New Century, NRSV, NLT, ISV, WEB). However, that malakoi means male prostitutes in Paul's usage is highly unlikely since Paul has already mentioned pornoi, meaning male prostitutes, in this vice list. Because Paul's reasoning is tight and his writing style spare, it is unlikely Paul would repeat himself by using malakoi with the meaning of male prostitutes. English translations did not translate malakoi to mean homosexual until the Amplified Bible in 1958. The word malakoi in New Testament times, was sometimes an epithet for being effeminate, not homosexual. The ancients did not equate effeminate with homosexuality. Some of the mightiest warriors in ancient times were homosexuals yet they were not called malakoi. Our ancestors used the malakos word group in a way similar to a high school baseball coach who chides a lazy jock by saying, “You throw like a girl” or a drill instructor barking at his male, boot camp recruits, “Okay ladies, drop and give me 50” [push ups]. The coach isn't calling his players homosexuals and the drill instructor isn't calling his recruits homosexuals. The truth is, the word malakoi, in antiquity, was rarely, if ever, used to indicate homosexuals. How Was Malakoi Used In Ancient Times? Pericles, 495-429 BC, in his funeral oration, lauded the Greeks because they cultivated knowledge without malakia,meaning softness or effeminacy. Here malakia referred to intellect, not homosexuality. -Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War, 431 BC, Book Two, Chapter VI. Plato, 427-347 BC, in The Republic, has Socrates opine that too much music effeminates a warrior, causing him to be malakoteroi, soft, feeble, sensitive. Plato expressed an ancient Greek concept, that too much music made a man soft, not homosexual. -Plato, The Republic, 360 BC, Book III. Aristotle, 384-322 BC, in Nicomachean Ethics, used malakos to describe lack of restraint and excessive enjoyment of bodily pleasures. Aristotle wrote: He “who pursues the excesses of things pleasant, and shuns those of things painful, of hunger and thirst and heat and cold and all the objects of touch and taste... that men are called 'soft' [malakos] with regard to these pleasures... Now of appetites and pleasures... with reference to all objects whether of this or of the intermediate kind men are not blamed for being affected by them, for desiring and loving them, but for doing so in a certain way, i.e. for going to excess.” -Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, 7.4.4. Dionysius of Halicarnassus, 60-7 BC, in Roman Antiquities, explains how Aristodemus Malacus, 504 BC, tyrant of Cumae [situated northwest of Naples, the first Greek colony on the Italian mainland], made the male children of Cumae effeminate (meaning soft or womanly, not homosexual), so they would not rise up against him. In ancient Greek society, the education of young men involved separation from effeminizing, womanly influence. Young men were educated by older male friends of the family, who taught sports, ethics, fighting and philosophy in the gymnasium. Aristodemus suppressed the all-male gymnasiums and limited male influence by giving male children into the care of female governesses. “3 These children, accordingly, forsaking the houses of their fathers, were brought up in the country like slaves, serving the murderers of their fathers. And to the end that no noble or manly spirit might spring up in any of the rest of the citizens,he resolved to make effeminate by means of their upbringingall the youths who were being reared in the city, and with that view he suppressed the gymnasiums and the practice of arms and changed the manner of life previously followed by the children. 4 For he ordered the boys to wear their hair long like the girls, adorn it with flowers, to keep it curled and to bind up the tresses with hair-nets, to wear embroidered robes that reached down to their feet, and, over these, thin and soft mantles, and to pass their lives in the shade. And when they went to the schools kept by dancing-masters, flute-players and others who, like these, pay court to the Muses, their governesses attended them, taking along parasols and fans; and these women bathed them, carrying into the baths combs, alabaster pots filled with perfumes, and looking-glasses. 5 By such training he continued to enervate the youth till they had completed their twentieth year, and from that time permitted them to be considered as men.” -Dionysius, Roman Antiquities, Book VII.9.3, p. 172. Josephus, AD 37-100, used malakosto describe men who appeared soft or weak through lack of courage in battle or who were reluctant to commit suicide in defeat or who enjoyed too much luxury. This usage does not indicate homosexuality. -Wars of The Jews,7.338; Antiquities of The Jews, 5.246; 10.194. Epictetus, AD 55-135, used malakos to refer to soft-headed persons, whom he regarded as unable to absorb true philosophy. This usage does not indicate homosexuality. -Epictetus, Discourse 3:9. Dio Chrysostom, AD 40-120, used malakosto refer to those made soft by too much learning. This usage does not indicate homosexuality. -Dio Chrysostom 49:25. John The Faster, around AD 575. For centuries, malakia was said to mean masturbation. Use of malakia, with the meaning of masturbation, is attributed to John the Faster around AD 575. The Catholic Church has long interpreted malakia to mean masturbation. -John The Faster, Penitential. Does not indicate homosexuality. Our honest factual conclusion about malakoi The citations on this page indicate that the malakos word group was not used by our ancestors as a general reference to gay men and lesbians. When anti-gay conservative Calvinists like Phil Johnson support the gay Christian view, that the cultural, historical, religious context of 1 Corinthians 6 was temple prostitution, that is an important admission. It is historically inaccurate and factually incorrect to translate the malakos word group to mean homosexual. The evidence indicates that 1 Corinthians 6 is dealing with temple prostitution - even our most ardent foes agree with us about that. Christian honesty requires non-gay Christians to come clean on this issue. Non-gay Christians must stop wresting 1 Corinthians 6:9 from its context to assault gay and lesbian Christians. God Love you as God loves me Bye
I have to ask about your ideology. Do you believe that there is a difference between the soul of a women and the soul of a man? If the answer is yes, do you believe that it is possible for a women to be born in the body of a man? Personally I don't think that there is a difference. If the answer is no, why is it wrong if the union is joined in heaven? When you go to heaven will it matter, or do you even believe marriage carries into heaven? Do you believe if a women can not have babies that she can never marry someone? What is your definition of biblically moralized sex? What is the purpose of sex if procreation is no longer possible for an individual? Do you believe that people who are unable to have babies must become eunuchs? Do you believe that divorce is wrong? Do you believe that the reason God created women was solely for sexual enjoyment? What do you believe the Bible is talking about when it says that he made man and women in his image? Did God make man and women physically in his image or spiritually? Why would God create a difference in gender in the first place, considering that some animals reproduce with only one gender and sometimes even asexually? I mean I'm not someone who can easily answer all these questions by myself. I think these questions are very complex and require an understanding that only multiple people can truly answer. I do know that Paul also wrote to look at the principles of the Bible and not get hung up on specific lines. Keep in mind that the word homosexuality wasn't invented until at least a millennium after Paul had written parts of the new testament and even then, what they would have defined that term as would be closer to adultery than monogamy. Unfortunately, we can't go ask Paul what he thinks about modern day homosexuality. We can, however, follow translation throughout the centuries. People used to translate those parts as child molester. It seems to me that further study is needed to verify that this is the case. There are documents from the ancient Roman era that explain how men of status would raise the status of young boys in exchange for sexual favors. Is this the abomination that Paul is referring to? Again, I believe multiple people have to dig into this and come up with more arguments. There's a lot of evidence and some of it makes sense while others don't. It's hard to make an argument because we don't really have a definition for love. Sure, you can find it in a dictionary, but believe me I've tried to define love and it still never quite grasps what the words really means. I supposed it's because you can't tell someone what love is without first feeling it in some way. It's like explaining what the color blue looks like to a blind man. I think we should let people decide for themselves if they truly love someone, and hope to God that they'll listen to God. It is not our place to judge someone based on their beliefs. If it is a family member and it means a lot to them, I think you should go. It's not to approve of the couple being together, it's to be there for someone because it matters to them that you're there. Ultimately, you have to be the bigger man and do what's right even if you disapprove of what someone else is doing.
This is probably the first video that you've answered a yes or no question with an actual YES OR NO before the one minute mark which is quite the record.
Love is NOT accepting EVERYTHING about a person. There are things that I will not accept even in my own children. That does not mean I don't love them. My love FOR THEM is unconditional. However, I don't have to love everything they do... just them. I'm sure that most of you calling this man a bigot or whatever would not and do not accept certain behaviors from people that you love. They cannot do whatever they want to do to you or around you. That does not mean that you do not love them. It just means that some of their behaviors go against something you believe in. If you don't want to be a Christian, then don't be. You don't have to believe in the Bible. But as in every type of organization there are rules you must adhere to to be a part of that organization. If you want to actively participate in that lifestyle, then you cannot be a Christian. We are talking about a lifestyle... there are certain lifestyles, homosexuality is one of them, that I do not support. That does not mean that I don't love the people who say they are. It just means that I don't /won't support what I don't believe in. I don't have to love homosexuality to love them as individuals. I love my God more than I love sin. I have friends that love the New York Giants. I HATE the Giants and all that goes into supporting them. But I love my friends that support them. Same premise. So stop calling people names when they don't love EVERYTHING you do. That is not a prerequisite for love. Love should be unconditional. Also remember that everything you "LOVE" is not always good for you... Just because two adults find common ground in something doesn't make it the right thing to do, especially as it pertains to the Bible. If you don't want to be Christian, then don't be. But don't level dispersions at those of us that want to be. Something to think about.
What an ENLIGHTENING & BEAUTIFUL explanation!! He laid it out so thoughtfully & explained we're not to celebrate ANY Sin and didn't single it out how fair!!🤗
Yes!!! Finally someone not afraid to tell the absolute truth! I have honestly never heard many pastors speak about this topic so honest and raw...so there is NO confusion about what he believes. I honestly think some of these high profile pastors should take notes. Imagine the deliverance and salvation as a result.
@@pastorbri Not sure what you mean here but I see you are all over the comments with this homophobic rhetoric. Either way, I still stand by what I said. Praise God for the undiluted word of God!!! Hallelujah!! I guess the truth makes people feel uncomfortable. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Can any1 explain 2 me how come divorce is allowed when part of the wedding vow is...' till death do us part'...i'm not criticizing Christianity...just a question that i've been wondering about
Romans 1:31 addresses this head on: "they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them". Attending would be giving approval, something we are commanded not to do.
and wrong as homosexuality is not a sin This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
Hello,@@craigd9896! I've read your replies littered throughout the comments sections below. Sorry, but I'm not going to get into it with you. One thing I will say, though, is that I am happy you have thought through this issue so thoroughly. It's so very important that people know where they stand on issues because we all will be held accountable for them when we stand before the Lord on Judgement Day.
@@jeffreywp - I know if you answer the question its either God creates sin or homosexuality is not a sin. Yes we will all account and no one should be worried in the least to be as God created they to be. The question stands: This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
@@jeffreywp That sounds like a veiled threat to me in terms of how you are speaking to Craig. What you are really saying is - you had better watch out if you have views like that kiddo because on that final day MY God is going to ZAP you to kingdom come! And by the way - everyones replies here are "littered" - it is the way this comments section works. What you mean with your innuendo is that because his views don't coincide with your own they are sloppy and worthless.
While it should be obvious, so many have been deluded & are afraid of “offending” anyone. There are so many who fall for the lies of the devil & bow to the desires of man.
One of the pastors at our church said she went to one to let the people know she loved them, right where they were. I had a hard time understanding her because just showing up is affirmation.
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? 1 tim 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. First is God and his ways, than anybody else. Even is your close relative. Mat 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
pastor brian if you’re saying we should support gay marriage I would ask where? It says it finds no joy in unrighteousness but rejoices in truth. And chapter 6 speaks of this
@@williamkilgore6899 should we support people who are left handed? If so Id ask where? Don't laugh as religious folk also condemned the left handed too.....so we should condemn homophobia yes.
I was at work and a work,m ate asked me to sign a card for one of the others lesbian wedding. I politely refused because by signing the card I felt I would be technically speaking a blessing over it. It wasn’t easy to do and I felt the social pressure but I’m glad I made a simple low key stand.
@Mason Moore yeah but if you are wrong about this whole god thing, then you are wrong for eternity. If the believers were wrong, well, then it would have only mattered to them for the life they lived, for how many years, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway because their existence doesn't exist anymore.
Ps is not preaching the truth, he is preaching his truth, not God's truth. No where in the Bible does it say - two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning. Homosexuality is not a sin, love is love, and God is love
@@bil.johnson_ Truth may hurt, but if you are talking about homosexuality its not a sin, and therefore, not hurtful in the least. Be who God created you to be, not what someone whats you to be.
I'm about to get married (in less than 2 months), I'm a divorce(e/r?) My ex wife has remarried, my fiancee hasn't been married. Would it be disrespectful for me to remarry?
You can tell the very thought cuts him to the heart on so many levels. On the one hand, he immediately says no and points to biblical truth and on the other hand he immediately affirms the love for and the value of the parties involved, in not wanting to cause further stumbling on their part perhaps by his very endorsement.
Really?? Can you show me in the Greek New Testament where the condemnation of "homosexuals" would be?? I am sure you can point it out in the English translation, but NOT in the original Greek! Because it ISN'T THERE! The word "homosexual" wasn't even in the Bible until 1946!! PLEASE do your homework before spewing ignorance!!
@Tara King His message was from 2 years ago... let us hope he is now a brother in Christ rather than sling mud at 2 year old words. Let us both remember that if it wasn't for the Spirit opening our eyes, we would still be blind.
What is the moral reason adult consensual same sex relationships should be prohibited? There is no harm and there are infertile people having marital sex that isn't for procreation.
@@questionasker8791 Here is a bit of a clue to answering your deeply sensible question. There isn't any reason. Still less a moral one! People believe the bible because the bible says the bible is the word of God. People believe pastor John because they do what they are told and he offers them intellectual candyfloss and a Big Mac and Fries. And when they die there will be pie in the sky and all the wicked people will be in hell which is their own silly fault and what they deserve so don't worry about it too much. And beneath that people (including the bearded patriachs who wrote and edited the bible) have a deep deep pathological fear about other people who either look different from how they do and/or in some way behave different from how they do and they lack the courage and maturity to cast a rational moral eye on this jibbering irrational fear in their minds and pluck it out.
There is nothing brave and nothing loving about associating loving relationships between two people and ceremonies to represent that love with theft and greed. I have dear dear friends who are gay and who are married. One of them does absolutely brilliant and tireless and gruelling work for a charity that is just down the road from me. He loves his partner very very dearly and many other people have benefitted from the warmth and from the strength of their relationship. They love each other and are devoted to each other and as yet no major disaster has happened because they have sex together and are married to each other. But as soon as they cause an earthquake or one of them goes onto the local university campus and starts shooting people I will let you know. After all these events are just as hideous as the marriage this sinful hell bound pair have initiated themselves in. The charity in question saves lives by offering a loving and listening service for people who are so broken and mentally ill or have so many problems they have run from their own homes. Perhaps pastor John would like to meet some of the people that my friend has helped away from suicide and into safety before he tells him his relationship is an abomination and his marriage no better than a celebration of lust or greed. We can give him a tour of the place and he can meet the other gay people who tirelessly work there too.
His ability to speak without moving his lips is truly miraculous.
fred smith Thank you for being the comic relief in this comment section. LOL
Your ability to hate is what impresses me even more!
fred smith 😂😂
YouAreNotCool 😂👏🏼
Lmao u funny
"Anyone who joins in celebrating sin is sinning." This man just preached and spoke on "pride month" without even having to mention it
Amen.
Yes, you're right.I just came across Pastor John now , as one does on this platform..Bless you.May God keep you in good stead
Nice story lol
Exactly!!!
Modern day Pharisee ..when jesus went to the home of the tax collector they said exactly the same thing to him ......
after hearing Alistair Begg tell a grandma to go to her grandson transgender wedding & take a gift !I am so thankful to hear Pastor Piper stick with the Bible says...Brother Begg needs to repent...
But you have to be fair to him, by that he did not mean she should affirm the wedding, but he only meant she should do it as a demonstration of love. His advice is still disagreeable, but we should be accurate about what he precisely meant
@@ead630 agreed and thats a fair point. however, showing up is affirmation in and of itself which would not be a demonstration of love.
This has great value today in light of the Alistair Begg controversy. I like Piper's answer.
It really doesn't apply. While he quotes 1 Cor 6 he forgets 1 Cor 5:9-12 I wonder how many people invite unbelieving friends to their Christian weddings, does that then make their wedding acceptable and unbelieving, well looking at the divorce rate maybe they are unbelieving to begin with, or valid why would we think our attendance in some way means affirmation. When you protest something you can do it in many ways I would have taken a Bible as a gift and highlight every passage. We are to make disciples use your opportunities as you can. Maybe it would be good to sit and cry at these physicalist humanist "weddings" or "marriages" or "unions" because it is truly a sad occasion. It should be attended as anyone attends a funeral.
@SavioursWon but what you're saying when you state, "use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means. But we know that we have to do what is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. Just because we we might be able to "disciple" them by showing love at their wedding (if we can call it that), doesn't mean it's the right thing.
@@mhwt565 ("use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means) that is clearly a false equivalence, making disciples is pleasing to the Lord. It is the duty of all Christians. Further "17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
20But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22Be merciful to those who doubt; 23save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear-hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." Try to understand, Christians are like people who have a cold and are contagious and they go around to others who also have a cold and they sit there giving each other c cold when what we are supposed to do is be contagious to others. You cannot live in isolation and be effective in the ministry. This is the reason I previously posted 1 Cor 5. God bless.
@@SavioursWon Watch Justin Peter's pastoral response to Beggs. This should help to unpack the deeper principles of what is acceptable/unacceptable and why according to the Bible as long as you are one of us that follow that, not our own understandings or feelings
@@KNIGHTFOX80 yeah long winded and sorry they never once show why going to this event was actually sinful, they just make weak analogies and make up things about what Jesus would or would not doand try and say that the gospel accounts for everything that Jesus did, they poison the well, make strawman arguments about what the sermon was about and I get they felt offended by his response but he really never needed to respond to begin with or apologise, nor should the church act like cancel culture thugs we see running around, what they have to do is show the sinfulness of being in attendance is sinful and this they are unable to do, the only reason I would not send someone to this event is because it may affect them seeing the degradation but not everyone is so thin skinned that they are unable to stand firm on the truth in the face of evil and show God's love that He came down and walked among filthy disgusting constantly sinning sinners in all their daily and constant filth and hatred and blasphemy of God. Please we really need to see God's love clearly and not invent this idea to not infiltrate and influence the culture the world or the church will become irrelevant. Hey but maybe I'm just not so bright and all these clever people are just far too smart. You have to deal with 1 Cor 5 and other passages which tell us to influence the culture. Please notice not once didBegg and neither have I affirmed this marriage as such or claimed it tobe a valid marriage/wedding etc.
I encourage you piper to speak the truth no matter what people say about the matter. The Gospel is only foolish to those who are perishing.
So it's okay and not foolish if you sell your Daughter as a sex slave, who can then sell her to his son when he is bored with her too as per Exodus 21:7?
@@j.n.3577 Why does it matter ro "you" what she takes literally...? 🤔
@@msladymack1960 She's making a hypocritical point on a public comment forum, I'm calling it out. SIMPLE. What point are you making other than posting a useless question?
@@j.n.3577 You have to understand the Bible and the sequence of events. Old Testament deals with Israel being under "The Law". They were far from perfect people, but they were chosen by God. For them, God issued 10 commandments and 600+ laws because they were so corrupted in their hearts that no one would survive if every sin was punishable by death. Those laws were made for Israel and they are not to be taken out of context. Those laws don't reflect the personality of God, they just reflect the corruption of Israel. Jesus on the other hand reflects the personality of God, He gave the 2 commandments that overwrite all 600 of them.
Matthew 22:37-40
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
People try too hard to depict God anything else but love. You have to study the Bible and see for yourself.
@@tygerovi Those evil laws cannot be dismissed since it was cruel behavior condoned. There isn't any context that makes it morally acceptable unless you condone/passively endorse human (sex) trafficking which the Scripture there clearly does. I'm not claiming it reflects any god, esp. since the Bible was written by men. Ceremonial laws may have been abolished, but that is the only thing I've seen, such as certain dietary and clothing restrictions.
*Finally, a real man of God, with an obedient heart for God!*
I'd rather stand with God and against the world, rather than with the world and against God.
Aren't you *so* brave?
Nik L amen I'm with you I'm tired of cowards and people that's not standing up for truth
This pastor believes Catholics will go to heaven
@@mayacharrat6401 Why would God call them out of Babylon if there were none to be saved there?🤔
A real man of God....??? Really
My son is gay and almost married his lover. I was sick at heart and torn because we believe it is wrong. We keep praying none of his relationships will last. He was raised in Christian home but has left his faith and is angry that God made him gay. His name is Aaron. Please pray for him. We love him so. Our arms are open wide too but he has also left us.
My sympathy for you.
Please don't stop praying and loving on your son!
Why are you sick at heart ? There is not one of us without sin ...your son you say is angry at god for making him gay ..... understand please ...his anger is because man judges him so called Christians judge him ...n yet ...whom of us can say we no longer sin ,? If the lord met with him n he will .his response to him would be very very different from the response of the church that he was brought up in ....pray for him ....yes but also I pray for all those whom made him feel the worst ..and excluded.. actually Paul said he was the worst of sinners ....don't worry ...his ways are not our ways neither his thoughts ours ....my prayers are for healing for you ...nnin so too healing for him
Unconditional love ...that is the lord's way ...I sense in your heart your inclined to that ...n it is right ...do not do not say look your wrong it's against God ...unless you yourself are totally without sin ....because even a thought a passion a small sin is still against God ....n we all fall short...but the problem is your telling him he falls way shorter than you ....missing the mark is missing the mark ....that's why he came ...for all of us n that's why Saint Paul in the new testiment said he was the cheif of sinners ...may God bless you n trust he hears the heart of man humbled xxxxccmuch love ...ask God to deal with you .n me ...n then once that happens healing will come....I can tell you this because me n my family have been thru this
Unconditional love that is the lord's way
Being a ‘Christian ‘ is hard in a satanic world, going through this now, and have had many a difficult discussions in my family. Dealing with a prodigal is most heart wrenching, but remember God honors the commitment to His word, be strong in the Lord.
Walking with Christ as He commands will only get harder, but the cost of falling away is just too great to go any other way
Amen
@@josephzanes7334 So true and when you love God and are in a relationship with Him, being without Him is not an option...
It is really tough I also have a prodigal cousin, and No did not attend, but love him with all my heart❤
@@ToninoterRessort We put our complete trust in Christ, turn from our sin and to His righteousness and He will change us! I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
I just love anyone who is not afraid to speak the truth!
+Cindy w Thanks - the truth is homosexuality is not in the original text of the Bible, its not a sin to be homosexual
Whether it uses the term or not, the meaning is still the same. The original text was translated so all can read it and understand it, not to change the meaning. If we are going to follow your logic then maybe stealing and all the other sins should be thrown out as well because it was originally written in a different language.
+imdaboss426 Amen! That's true!
+imdaboss426 Amen! That's true!
imdaboss426 He never used a word that said or means homosexual - that is the point. It has been re and mistranslated to say something that is not in the original text.
Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible.
That last part almost got a tear out of me. I am such a prodigal son. And can have no pride or boasting in such a thing. God bless you, Pastor John.
Yeah - God defines marriage. It does not need to be re-defined.
Please may I share my testimony with you. I always knew that I was gay, and from a very young age I prayed to God asking Him to take these tendencies away.
Many years later on one particularly bad night, I believed I was going to die. In the depth of my despair, I asked Lord Jesus for forgiveness and to my surprise He answered me.
My spirit has burst into such powerful flames of love and mercy that it has seemed as if I was totally dissolved in Him.
By this stage I was already in a loving relationship with my partner, and when I asked Jesus if I should leave my partner.
The Lord told me to regard him as my husband
@@jean-pauldebeer8151 God can not more clearer on teaching of sexual immortality.
@@jasonhockly8655 Unfortunately many do not possess the correct orthodox understanding on scripture and Christians feel that repentance is a once off act.
Repentance is a life long struggle, one that continually demands that we analyse the sinfulness within our selves and seek the mercy of God to overcome these sinful tendencies.
Pointing out the sinfulness in others is a judgmental sinful tendency that needs to be repentances of.
The Pharisees were very happy to point out the sinfulness and shortcomings in others but failed to see their own. Jesus condemned this behavior.
By pointing out the sinfulness in others we become like the Pharisees who were very happy to have St Mary Madelaine stoned. We behave the same way when we throw scripture to others to highlight their sinfulness.
But Jesus said that those are are free from sin may cast the first stone.
I always find it helpful to regard myself as the worst of all sinners. As this puts me in a position of humility and powers where it makes it easier to never judge others.
Mesopotamians defined marriage as they had the first documented marriage thousands of years before Christianity even existed.
@@sjoperdje God is technically before the age of Christianity.
The best answer, concise & hearfelt, based on the truth of the Bible. Thank you for your profound answer Pastor John
God doesn't exist
Wow! God bless this faithful Brother. This man truly has a heart for God in him.
Hey Craig,
Wow. Someone's done some research here. I'll reply to this but I really can't let it turn into a debate.
As for it being my opinion, the Scriptures say what they say. It's pretty clear. Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Judges 19: 22-23, 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, and there are a couple of others.
The scriptures never use the word "homosexual" in the original languages because the word wasn't used then, just as it wasn't in many of the earlier English translations. But the truth is there. As for them being "unchanged by man," they were translated into English. But that doesn't invalidate the meaning. God intended man to be with woman in marriage and sexual intimacy (which is only within marriage).
I highly recommend reading the scriptures I listed above in many of the translations you listed. Read them in light of both Romans chapter 1 and Jude vs. 7. And also search out the meanings of the words in the Greek and Hebrew, including the moods, tenses, etc.
Honestly, I doubt either of us will be able to change the opinions of the other but as I said in my previous comment, if the scriptures contradict what I've listed or said here, I'm certainly open to seeing them.
And please understand, as I said, it's not about opinions. I follow Jesus Christ as my King. He is the Word of God. And if God says something is against His will, I must line up with it.
Thanks for the comments Craig.
@@SuperFreeamerican And what were marriages, in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, intended to be there, and executed how, and how consensually, also?
Expansion potentially desired, here.
Also, what was His will, during the blood libel, Inquisition, and the slave trade, within past Christendom? That was explicit, I mean? Rather than inferred.
Amazing response, don't be like the other Christians that have gone against the word because of what society says, well done Pastor John
Amen
He is right though! I am conflicted by attending one myself so I think I will stay at home.
He is a clown
@@cfoodsmella1041 i think you are
@@blossom86branche70 I bet you do, I think your full of hate
That's such a good answer. Thank you for your honesty and for not caving into the current politically correct culture. You are a man of integrity.
An easy search: BIBLE + FREEMASONRY, through which lies and truth becomes easy listed.
So far i have listed 28 lies and 28 truth.
Have you started to dig? What have you found?
What do you know about masonry club?
About the evil rulers of this world, masons, what you know about them?
A very well thought out response actually.
Almost 3 years ago, I attended my male cousin's wedding to another man. Coming from a Catholic family, some of my family members did not agree with nor attend the wedding, but I went even though I didn't agree with homosexuality. I was still a young Christian and I never felt like it was my place to directly tell them they were wrong, since my cousin is quite a few years older than I am and we were never really that close growing up. But I can say that at the wedding, I did not really enjoy myself. I felt like a huge part of what marriage is meant to be was missing and it just didn't feel real. I ended up dancing for one song and then sat at the table and wanted to go to bed. I feel sad for my cousin and I don't really know how to help him. And now, he and the guy he calls his husband have created 2 beautiful baby girls via in-vitro fertilization and a surrogate mother, and I also don't know how to react to this process. They are innocent babies created in the image of God and I am trying to celebrate their lives. But at the same time I am heartbroken that they aren't being raised by their mother and instead have two fathers. Also I'm scared that they won't teach these precious babies about Jesus and that when they grow up, they will only see a god who is against their fathers. Please pray for my family and these baby girls. Thank you!
All you can do is share the Word of GOD with them. After that your job is done, it is now their decision to make
Good Grief….
Im sure those baby girls are going to grow up loved and free to find Jesus just the same. I have several friends of same sex marriage raising children and those children are precious and perfect and doing perfectly fine. Celebrate their life as much as you can without judging their circumstance because that’s the true way to love others in the face of disagreement
Perverse and mentally sick world we live in, when we even consider the abomination of 2 men getting married as even close to legitimate. Marriage is for a man and woman. Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve.
I totally agree with Pastor John and I thank him for listings the reasons. I have to say the thought of it made made me feel sick. Keep up the good work Pastor John.
This reply is most apt and based on the Word of God.
Thank you, I'm certainly going to use this reply to teach this fundamental truth about marriage to the unlearned.
Very will said sir, God bless you for taking a stand for truth
"I am where I have always been" is so incredibly true. Thank you.
I think Alistair Begg should listen in.
You know what I love about Him speaking, the humility in his voice backed up by scripture is everything!!!
Dang I was expecting him to take the full 4 minutes to answer lol. Straight to the point!
I agree with you pastor John. God bless
Great answer, God bless your ministry ~
Hearing pastor's voice make me believe again that there are still people in this world who will pay the highest price to tell the truth. I thank God for it.
Just like in Elijahs time God is showing us that there’s many still out there who have not bowed their knee to the false gods of this generation
Okay Karen
Lucarara you're welcome, Karen 😆
sad to see a young lady indoctrinated with this kind of hatred. I hope you will spend time to think about the evidence for your specific God and the inexistence of the thousands of others you just happen to not have been born into.
you're gonna have to explain to the big man one day why you had so much hate in your heart during your time here
Spoken with so much love and grace. This is the truth! Thank you Pastor John for being God’s beacon in this dark world.
This whole debate boils down to whether you believe in what the bible says or not. If you do, then you'll agree with Piper, otherwise go with the flow. My personal opinion is to agree with him, but I want to emphasize that this doesn't justify any kind of hate towards anyone. You may disagree with or hate their acts, but Jesus teaches us to always love and wisely serve everyone as they are.
I didn't go to my sons either.I couldn't pretend I am happy with it....
Brick Shots TV is it unloving to not attend because of their orientation?
@@mnight207 No. It would be unloving to condemn them though. It would also be unloving to condone their sin which would ultimately destroy them (unless they repent).
But if you believe in the bible then you're contradicting yourself it is a sin to follow false prophets right so how do you know these were the prophets of god who wrote this bullshit you don't because no man can claim theyre the prophet of god I listen to god not men #Getwoke
Your son was lucky then. Hope he and his husband had a lovely day. You are the one that missed out on one of the most important days in his life and he was better off without you there.
I understand his answer, I think it is a logically consistent, and loving response response. But I have a question - don't we, as Christians, do the same thing when we celebrate the marriages of heterosexual couples who aren't getting married under God, or who are living in lifestyles of sin? How can we separate the two? Thanks.
LINDSAY BENITEZ you’re right on, it’s the same thing! Marriage is a covenant & when you attend a wedding you are being a witness to the covenant. So it’s definitely important for us to be in prayer and have discernment about whether or not to attend a wedding!
Yes exactly. I agree with everything he says but your question is so valid too.
Just a quick thought but I disagree. Whenever a marriage occurs with one man and one woman, God recognizes that as a marriage whether they attribute it to Him or not.
Versus a "same-sex marriage" is more just a worldy ritual and doesn't have any Biblical support whatsoever.
@@wengel_eth I think theyre referring to cases like say a divorcee who is remarrying.
@@ayoiawe Ahh, I see. If that's the case then it depends on the life status of the other divorcee (if the former spouse is dead then the marriage covenant is broken). But otherwise I would treat it the same as the same-sex ritual.
This is so POWERFUL!!
God bless you, Pastor John. Thanks for being a rock solid man of God and speaking thr truth.
Thank you for using Scripture, truth, and kindness to answer the question.
even though u should go to a friends same sex wedding eh
pastor brian Who even said that? You must have been listening to an entirely different video.
@@drdianneLc on this video.
You seem like a Karen
Kindness? Fuck off
So well said! God bless this man for speaking the truth in love! ❤
Amen! glad too see we are standing on the truth of the word of God. John 1:1.
So if you're gay and get killed in a car accident, do you go straight to hell since you didnt have time to repent your sin of being gay?
One of the best responses I have ever heard...
If an all BUT “Baby Christian” couldn’t give this answer they, and/or their pastor are guilty of inadequate or poor Bible study and teaching. Maranatha!
Really? It just seemed nasty and full of hate. Oddly the bible does not mention lesbianism, although obviously this represents the patriarchal time in which it was written.
Actually paster I think if you read the words of Jesus he said in heaven no man or woman will be given unto marriage so maybe you may not know him ..as you think you do we should all be careful to not make god in our own image or understanding ....now I know the typical protestant answer ...but we have the mind of Christ .....so we can say n declare ....jesus wrote on the sand when the prostirute stood accused ...turned to the pharacies n said let the first among you without sin cast first stone ...n then he turned to her n said woman were are your accusers ...? So therefore you have none ..neither do I ....go n sin no more .....sin ? What is sin ? .it's the act of selfishness ..doing something to put yourself n own needs before another ..or God ....when you judge these people paster ...be careful ...you do not know what is within there hearts ..n trust that in many hetrosexual relationships there is the seed of terrible self gratification ...
@@93Current Oh but it does.
"That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other." - Romans 1:26
Steven Mcleish lol it seems full of hate... sheesh. Someone is overly obsessed with modern living and doesn’t understand the Biblical literature. He said it as politely and calmly as possible, just clarifying that it is a sin based on the information found in the Bible. That, to God, a marriage is between a man and a woman. So while the “marriage” is a cultural, or lawful marriage in the eyes of the culture or government, it is not a Marriage as defined by the Old Testament nor New Testament. In fact, both Testaments define it as sin, so to attend and pretend it isn’t sinful in accordance to the Word of God is just that, it would be pretending.
That was an excellent, biblically based response. Thank you for that. Full of love and understanding, and yet not compromising on truth. We need more of that today.
Yes Amen!
WAIT! So your saying that not accepting someone for who they truly are is full of LOVE? How does that make sense? If anyone in the comments can answer me that, I would greatly appreciated.
Alex, you can love someone but disagree with them, or believe they are doing something wrong. If your dog chews up your living room, you think that was bad of your dog but you still love him. If someone you love killed someone, committed adultery, robbed a bank, etc., you might think those actions are wrong, but you still love them and care about them. Tolerance is being civil with that person, even if they are doing things you don't accept as moral. If your brother keeps annoying you and you take it patiently, you are being tolerant. To be tolerant suggests there is something you are being tolerant of that you dislike, or else there's no need to tolerate it. You are happy! Did that give clarity?
Another thing to note is that there is no evidence of a gay gene. People are not born homosexual or lesbian. It's certainly a multifactoral thing, very complex, but this is something that God can heal.
Dawn, I fully accept that the reason you think that homosexuality is wrong is because of your religion. It says in the bible that it is wrong, ergo it is wrong.
But I do wish that people of your persuasion would not then make unsubstantiated statements such as ' people are not born homosexual or lesbian'
Really? Are you an expert on homosexuality? If not, what research are you quoting? I assume you must be quoting convincing scientific research, otherwise you wouldn't make such a statement as if it were an undisputed fact.
And what exactly do you mean by it's a 'multifactoral' thing? Explain, please.
John, that's a fair question. Yes, I have done research on this very topic as I wrote a book called, "Fully Persuaded." www.amazon.com/Fully-Persuaded-Dawn-Foss/dp/1632688875. I had a section on homosexuality in this book. I'm also a family nurse practitioner. Here is a link from the Christian Medical and Dental Association, of which I'm a member. which will give you a wonderful outline about the basic beliefs from a medical standpoint, with a biblical worldview. You see, science doesn't change, but perspectives on the data do. If you are anti-God, you will view it through those lenses. If you are pro-God, you will view life through those lenses. It's called a biblical vs. secular world view. The links below are statements from the Christian Medical and Dental Assoc. and then I also included a link to Focus on the Family's site on this topic as well. Let me know if you have any questions. cmda.org/resources/publication/homosexuality-ethics-statement www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/sexuality/understanding-same-sex-attractions/are-people-really-born-gay
I love this answer and will keep it for the future🙏
Always appreciate the truth spoken with grace and sincerity of faith. Thank you, Ps John
But Piper is not speaking the Truth.
That’s my dads name!
His name was Pastor John too. I miss him terribly.
He would have also answered the question the same way.
Awwww, so sorry ☹☹
Sounds like your dad was the man. I believe you’ll see him again.
Very well said with love and compassion. Thank You!!
and homosexuality is not a sin. This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
homophobia is neither love or compassion
@@craigd9896 Did you ever read Judges 9:23? Or Amos 9:4? Or 2 Kings 10, too, potentially?
There is more muddiness, here, than you might think.
Wow! It will be hard to beat Pastor John's perfect answer. The best answer ever on this with convincing reasons!
Nice advice.. Thank you pastor John
So much truth and wisdom filled in John Piper’s response. We love, in Truth! God bless you 💓
Joel Osteen needs to take notes. Somebody send him this video, so he can learn what a christianity is about.
+Claudia Romanov Biblical fact - homosexuality is not wrong. Piper needs to repent for spreading false Gospel
Sarah Flara If you say Piper is not wrong - then you are saying God is wrong.
God never said 1 word about homosexuality why is Piper. God said many kinds of relationships, marriage was ok.
Fact is the Bible does not say or mean homosexuality is a sin - in the original text - why do you and Piper thing otherwise. It is not Christian to go against God. Its time real Christian step up and stop the crap dogma this is not Christ Like.
Sarah Flara If you believe homosexuality is a sin - then yep you are not with Christ; you are not a true Christian. Like Piper you twist and turn God's Word. Just like when you say read Rom. In the original text homosexuality was not a sin - so how it is a sin in your Bible?
Sarah Flara There is no argument - Biblical fact - original text - homosexuality is not a sin.
Yes, God gave you free will, believe as you wish. What I, and many others are doing and will continue to do is untwist what has been twisted.
Know God loves you no matter, same as God loves me.
Bye
***** Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible. If you knew the Word of God like you claim - you would know the truth.
Thank you for speaking truth in a loving way. For being bold and forthright.
homophobis is not truth
Just because you do not join in to other peoples activities does not make you prejudice . Its called keeping yourself unspotted from the world.
So much truth and so much grace! The glory of God on display.
This is why i love john Piper!
Truth, truth? From who’s perspective.
@@davidmeyers8230 the Bible
Im sincerely curious why or why not JP would attend a non-Christian heterosexual wedding who remove God/Christ/Spirit from their celebration, covenant and marriage?
Because in every wedding there is a ceremony of procreation, but in a gays function, there is no such procreation ceremony and so it cannot be called wedding.
Because of love. People can get bornagain anytime.
www.anewcreationinchrist.nl/english
What a great answer: thorough, Biblical, loving, humble. When I became a new believer in Jesus Christ in the early 1980's, my mother invited me to attend "an exchange of vows"
between two women. Of course, it was not "legal" then, but some homosaxuals were exchanging vows. I gave similar reasoning for not attending, and my mother exploded with
profanity and accusation. I think her reason for inviting me in the first place, was so that she'd have a reason to unload this animosity against Christ, primarily. How sad. But as
a new believer, it was difficult for me to choose loyalty to Christ first, since she was the only (birth) family that I had. There is sufficient reward in Christ for choosing what honors
Him, and of course the whole body of Christ is my spiritual family. But I can certainly empathize with believers who are put into this circumstance, and the family implications that
surround it. Thank God for the clarity of His Word. And thank God for Pastors who are courageous and do not cave in to the world and society.
Thank you for sharing your experience. New-ish to Christ 🙏 and this comment helped me. Gracias
Isn't it awful to have a mother who doesn't share or at least understand your reverence to God's will? The Bible says that He will come between a father and son, a mother and daughter...etc. and that we are to choose God first over everyone, including ourselves and our families. I hope all is well with you since that day 40 years ago. The reward for your faithfulness is waiting for you!
I came across your comment as i was watching the video. Currently my fiance is in a similar situation, his sister is getting "married" she invited us both, in which i say thanks for the invite but i can't attend. But his mother said he needs to go, even though she knows he does not agree with this union to begin with, she "believes in God' but she is not a firm believer. My mother in law is permitting this, and she is okay with it or seems like it, and i think her way of showing love is by going and being present. My fiance's dad is more of a solid believer and sound in scripture but he pretty much does what the wife says or feels obligated to go because is his daughter and also bc my mother in law makes it seem like a "you must go" My mother in law even told my fiance that she wouldn't come to our wedding if he doesn't go to his sisters, that broke my heart tbh. We both know we would not feel comfortable at all attending and pretending to be okay with it and how piper mentioned "lying" about it being okay. I can see he is very hurt by this because is his family and to be put in a situation like this "if you dont go... then i wont.." especially from his mother. I just pray the Lord continue to give him the strength to stay firm and faithful to the Lord and do what honors him.
@@saturn722 However, after 2 Samuel 24, and Hosea 9, why on Earth should I do that?
And how do you view 'marriages' such as in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, also?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Why don’t you just ask me your question?
Amazing...he hit the nail by the head......beautiful
but we should go to a friends wedding
Fair Point
1 second ago
The usual unoriginal thoughts of those inured in Bronze Age fairy tales. Not one iota of tangible evidence to support their flatulent musings.
God bless you pastor! Thanks to be an example, not being ashamed of Christ, among people that oppresses us to be complacent with sin.
I am in a difficult situation because I got saved 5 years ago and from the age of 4 I’ve known my dad to be homosexual, I had always grown up knowing it wasn’t ‘normal’ but I loved and still love my dad a lot I used to celebrate his sexuality and if anyone spoke against him or made fun of him because of it o would get very angry. My dad announced he was getting married last year and I couldn’t celebrate it, I couldn’t go to it or wish him congratulations because I know what I didn’t know before, I love my dad and I was bold enough to tell him why I couldn’t go or celebrate it, I tried to tell him in the gentle and kindest way I could and explained that we are all sinners in need of saving and gossip or lying is no greater than homosexuality, it has completely ruined our relationship I’m heartbroken and hurt because dad has taken this as a rejection from me and I’m a bigoted Christian labelled as hateful towards the gay community. I have tried to explain to him but I can’t do anymore he lives abroad so I never see him which makes it worse. This had been a testing time for me these past 3 years. But I know he needs saving I know he needs Jesus so I can’t celebrate what god calls sin and watch my dad walk into hell, I love him and want to tell him the truth even if that means our relationship is fractured. Please pray for me for wisdom and understanding and please pray for my dad Neil, thank you
Charlene Bains:stay the course, run the race, endure. We are to love God more than man, even our very own family. If your Dad truly loved with the agape love he should have for his child, then your opinion of his lifestyle would not stop him loving you. Sadly the human heart is more wicked, more deceptive than most of us begin to acknowledge. Sexual preference is not something we are born with. This one of the greatest lies of the devil.
If people were born 'gay' then people are born 'pedophile'. Taste for certain things is not what we are, it is simply we get a taste and a liking and so have preferences through experiences and by how our minds process these experiences. Love your Dad, pray for him daily, never give up hope. Being reborn in the spirit changes not only hearts (love of evil) but changes mind (having the mind of Christ in us) and we turn from sin which is essentially everything that harms us and separates us from God.
I really have sympathy for what u going through with ur father.
But also i praise u for standing so strong and so bold in ur faith.
U can do exactly what our Lord has warn us in Matthew 10:34-39.
i doubt that i can do the same if i were in ur place.
so cheer up and always look to our Lord Jesus face, let the holy spirit comfort u n give u strength.
u have experience what a follower of Jesus must experience.
Let's what is said in acts 5:41 comfort u, that u were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.
Keep pray for the work of Holy Spirit so ur father can know and accept the truth n changed.
Charlene Bains good for you Charlene! What you did was actually much more loving and caring than attending would have been. Love is seldom about going along with what looks good, sounds good, or feels good.
Praying for you and your father. Hoping that the relationship may not sever any deeper and that reconciliation may happen.
You did NOT do anything wrong. I pray that your dad will see the error of his ways and repent knowing that God loves him very much but not his sin. Most of all I pray that you are alright and that you never ever give up...give in...or compromise because those who are in sin have a tendency to make those who are obedient to God feel bad. And make you feel the emotional blackmail. But you are not alone. Know that there are other ppl facing the same test and trials in their walk with God. Amen.
I am not a Christian but I hope my thoughts are welcomed here. I thought Pastor John presented an empassioned case for what naturally follows if one accepts the tenets of Christianity. For me, my means of empathising with this is to liken Christian tenets to mathematical axioms in that, if they are accepted, what follows can be internally consistent.
But what struck me more and what motivated me to comment is not necessarily this consistency, but more that I discerned an earnest compassion and a heartfelt remorse in John's voice imagining his son spending an eternity in hellfire for following a path towards a sincere, if axiomatically misguided, conception of love.
This must be a struggle for Christians when love is invoked in support of acceptance of LBG+ lifestyles for, of course, who would dare argue against love? That's the definition of hate. But if one wholeheartedly accepts the tenets of Christianity, the most loving thing one can do for a loved one is to guide them on a pathway away from eternal damnation.
That must be so tough to grapple with day-to-day. I do feel for you. I know we're all just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones.
That's the best insight into the Christian view of this topic I have read, and it didn't come from a Christian either.
You’re so right. Thank you
The way you explained it was beautiful!
Well, sexuality and relationships derived from it are not analogous to math. Secondly, a belief system that does not distinguish between consenting adults and what they do and people transgressing others in some way isn't one I have any interest in at all.
Can we go to a wedding where the couple was living together before marriage? Can we go to a wedding where the couple was sleeping together before they got married?
Seems like it is the same issue.
I'd like to hear a response to this
To make it even more general, would Piper say that a Christian should not attend the wedding of a non-believer? How is their union (or perhaps he would say "union") as unrepentant sinners, any different than a gay couple marrying? Equally, would he claim that sitting down to dinner at a gay couple's home is sinful because it "blesses" their sin?
I think his approach to this question leaves a gaping hole regarding how Christians love sinners even in the midst of their sin. Which is, of course, exactly what Christ did for us.
@Ann
As a devout christian, I see no problem with attending a marriage where the couple sinned before their union they will have together with themselves and with the Lord. Sinning or making a mistake does not make their marriage any less valid or beautiful or real in God's eyes.
But when talking about a gay "marriage" the whole thing is an absolute fraud and a rebellion against God's holy created order. God defines marriage because he created it, we have absolutely no right to change it or practice it in any other way then he decreed.
Morlovitch that is exactly how I see it too, but I am open to being corrected.
I agree with you @swtor. Paraphrase the bi le if you are burning you should get married. That means to correct all wrong. So if you are in fornication you get married. Marriage is still to create union, if they marry then it is a repentance because they will have sex the way it was meant.
Thank you, Dr. Piper, for this concise and loving response.
I have a question for Pastor John. If someone is attending a church regularly and a decon stands on the pulpit telling blond jokes every Sunday. the pastor lets him do it. then what should the person attending the church do?
Huh?
Thank God some people still speak the truth.
meinerHeld I agree, but Piper is not speaking the truth.
***** Did the God of all, the Father of Jesus the Christ tell you that?
meinerHeld The original text of the Bible tells me, the Bible is silent on homosexuality, and does not mention - 2 of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning. Actually God is all about love, so how can two in a loving and committed relationship be sinning or against God - can't be.
Piper is a bigot.
***** I want to give you advice directly from the Bible. This is meant in love and completely truly.
"Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
I Corinthians 6:9-10
Be blessed, friend.
meinerHeld What you are sending is not the original text of the Bible therefore cannot be the True Word of God can it?
The Greek word malakoi, which is the plural of malakos, and the Greek word arsenokoites are both used in 1 Cor 6:9.
Here is how the KJV translates I Cor 6:9.
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (malakoi), norabusers of themselves with mankind, (arsenokoites)" -1 Corinthians 6:9, KJV
Malakoi In 44 Translations
The Apostle Paul - AD 55 - Greek - malakoi
Wycliffe - 1380 - neische
Wycliffe - 1388 - letchouris ayen kinde
Tyndale - 1526 - weaklinges
Martin Luther - 1534 - weichlinge
Coverdale - 1535 - weaklinges
Matthews - 1537 - weaklinges
Great Bible - 1539 - weaklynges
Swedish Version - 1541 - weaklingar
Geneva Bible - 1560 - wantons
Bishops Bible - 1568 - weaklinges
Valera Spanish - 1602 - effeminados
Rheims-Douay - 1609 - effeminat
King James Version - 1611 - effeminate
Portuguese - 1690 - efeminados
Daniel Mace New Testament - 1729 - the effeminate
Darby - 1884 - those who make women of themselves
Darby French - 1885 - effemines
Young’s Literal - 1898 - effeminate
ASV - 1901 - effeminate
Weymouth - 1903 - any who are guilty of unnatural crime
Louis Segund French - 1910 - effemines
Moffat - 1913 - catamites (boys who have sex with men)
Lamsa Translation - 1933 - men who lie down with males
New American - 1941 - sodomites
Revised Standard - 1952 - sexual perverts
Amplified - 1958 - those who participate in homosexuality
NASB - 1963 - effeminate
New American Bible - 1970 - boy prostitutes
New English - 1970 - guilty of homosexual perversion
NIV - 1973 - male prostitutes
NKJV - 1979 - homosexuals
JW-NWT - 1984 - men kept for unnatural purposes
New Century - 1987 - male prostitutes
Green’s Interlinear - 1986 - abusers
NRSV - 1989 - male prostitutes
Bible In Basic English - 1994 - one who is less than a man
CEV - 1995 - pervert
NLT - 1996 - male prostitute
Complete Jewish Bible - 1998 - active or passive homosexuality
International Standard Version - 2000 - male prostitutes
The Message - 2002 - those who use and abuse each other
World English Bible - 2005 - male prostitutes
God’s Word Translation - 2006 - homosexuals
The NET Bible - 2006 - passive homosexual partners
The Remarkable Semantic Shift
The remarkable semantic shift in the meaning of malakoi, which by 1958, came to equate malakoi with homosexuality instead of softness, moral weakness or effeminacy, was not prompted by new linguistic evidence. Instead, cultural factors influenced modern translators to inject anti-homosexual bias into their translation.
In ancient times, the malakos word group never referred exclusively to homosexuals and lesbians. The malakos stem rarely, if ever, referred to homosexual behavior.
Further, I have never seen any indication that the ancients used the malakosword group to refer to lesbians.
Yet, translating malakoi today as homosexuals causes the word to include lesbians, something the original text never said and translations never said for 1900 years.
It should be clearly understood that most antigay Christians today interpret 1 Corinthians 6:9 as a universal prohibition of homosexuality including lesbian relationships, this in spite of the fact that most of our spiritual ancestors did not understand the text to say that.
Scripture cannot mean now
what it did not mean then.
Translating malakoi as homosexuals imposes a twentieth or twenty first century cultural meaning on the text which malakoi did not mean in the first century. If malakoi was not a universally understood reference to homosexuals in the first century when Paul used it, then malakoi does not mean homosexual today.
The Malakos Word Group
The word malaka, with the general meaning soft, is used three times in the New Testament, Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 10:1. It is translated disease in the KJV and sickness in the NAS.
The Greek word malaka has nothing to do with homosexuality
The word malakos occurs four times, in three verses in the New Testament. In Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25, Jesus uses the word to refer to soft clothing.
In the Bible, Jesus never used the malakos word group to mean homosexual.
Paul uses malakoi (the plural of malakos) in 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Some translations translate malakoi as "male prostitutes." (NIV, New Century, NRSV, NLT, ISV, WEB).
However, that malakoi means male prostitutes in Paul's usage is highly unlikely since Paul has already mentioned pornoi, meaning male prostitutes, in this vice list.
Because Paul's reasoning is tight and his writing style spare, it is unlikely Paul would repeat himself by using malakoi with the meaning of male prostitutes.
English translations did not translate malakoi to mean homosexual until the Amplified Bible in 1958.
The word malakoi in New Testament times, was sometimes an epithet for being effeminate, not homosexual.
The ancients did not equate
effeminate with homosexuality.
Some of the mightiest warriors in ancient times were homosexuals yet they were not called malakoi. Our ancestors used the malakos word group in a way similar to a high school baseball coach who chides a lazy jock by saying,
“You throw like a girl”
or a drill instructor barking at his male, boot camp recruits,
“Okay ladies, drop
and give me 50”
[push ups]. The coach isn't calling his players homosexuals and the drill instructor isn't calling his recruits homosexuals.
The truth is, the word malakoi, in antiquity, was rarely, if ever, used to indicate homosexuals.
How Was Malakoi Used
In Ancient Times?
Pericles, 495-429 BC, in his funeral oration, lauded the Greeks because they cultivated knowledge without malakia,meaning softness or effeminacy.
Here malakia referred to intellect, not homosexuality.
-Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War, 431 BC, Book Two, Chapter VI.
Plato, 427-347 BC, in The Republic, has Socrates opine that too much music effeminates a warrior, causing him to be malakoteroi, soft, feeble, sensitive.
Plato expressed an ancient Greek concept, that too much music made a man soft, not homosexual. -Plato, The Republic, 360 BC, Book III.
Aristotle, 384-322 BC, in Nicomachean Ethics, used malakos to describe lack of restraint and excessive enjoyment of bodily pleasures.
Aristotle wrote: He “who pursues the excesses of things pleasant, and shuns those of things painful, of hunger and thirst and heat and cold and all the objects of touch and taste... that men are called 'soft' [malakos] with regard to these pleasures...
Now of appetites and pleasures... with reference to all objects whether of this or of the intermediate kind men are not blamed for being affected by them, for desiring and loving them, but for doing so in a certain way, i.e. for going to excess.” -Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, 7.4.4.
Dionysius of Halicarnassus, 60-7 BC, in Roman Antiquities, explains how Aristodemus Malacus, 504 BC, tyrant of Cumae [situated northwest of Naples, the first Greek colony on the Italian mainland], made the male children of Cumae effeminate (meaning soft or womanly, not homosexual), so they would not rise up against him.
In ancient Greek society, the education of young men involved separation from effeminizing, womanly influence.
Young men were educated by older male friends of the family, who taught sports, ethics, fighting and philosophy in the gymnasium.
Aristodemus suppressed the all-male gymnasiums and limited male influence by giving male children into the care of female governesses.
“3 These children, accordingly, forsaking the houses of their fathers, were brought up in the country like slaves, serving the murderers of their fathers. And to the end that no noble or manly spirit might spring up in any of the rest of the citizens,he resolved to make effeminate by means of their upbringingall the youths who were being reared in the city, and with that view he suppressed the gymnasiums and the practice of arms and changed the manner of life previously followed by the children.
4 For he ordered the boys to wear their hair long like the girls, adorn it with flowers, to keep it curled and to bind up the tresses with hair-nets, to wear embroidered robes that reached down to their feet, and, over these, thin and soft mantles, and to pass their lives in the shade.
And when they went to the schools kept by dancing-masters, flute-players and others who, like these, pay court to the Muses, their governesses attended them, taking along parasols and fans; and these women bathed them, carrying into the baths combs, alabaster pots filled with perfumes, and looking-glasses.
5 By such training he continued to enervate the youth till they had completed their twentieth year, and from that time permitted them to be considered as men.”
-Dionysius, Roman Antiquities, Book VII.9.3, p. 172.
Josephus, AD 37-100, used malakosto describe men who appeared soft or weak through lack of courage in battle or who were reluctant to commit suicide in defeat or who enjoyed too much luxury.
This usage does not indicate homosexuality. -Wars of The Jews,7.338; Antiquities of The Jews, 5.246; 10.194.
Epictetus, AD 55-135, used malakos to refer to soft-headed persons, whom he regarded as unable to absorb true philosophy.
This usage does not indicate homosexuality. -Epictetus, Discourse 3:9.
Dio Chrysostom, AD 40-120, used malakosto refer to those made soft by too much learning.
This usage does not indicate homosexuality. -Dio Chrysostom 49:25.
John The Faster, around AD 575. For centuries, malakia was said to mean masturbation. Use of malakia, with the meaning of masturbation, is attributed to John the Faster around AD 575. The Catholic Church has long interpreted malakia to mean masturbation. -John The Faster, Penitential. Does not indicate homosexuality.
Our honest factual
conclusion about malakoi
The citations on this page indicate that the malakos word group was not used by our ancestors as a general reference to gay men and lesbians.
When anti-gay conservative Calvinists like Phil Johnson support the gay Christian view, that the cultural, historical, religious context of 1 Corinthians 6 was temple prostitution, that is an important admission.
It is historically inaccurate and factually incorrect to translate the malakos word group to mean homosexual. The evidence indicates that 1 Corinthians 6 is dealing with temple prostitution - even our most ardent foes agree with us about that.
Christian honesty requires non-gay Christians to come clean on this issue. Non-gay Christians must stop wresting 1 Corinthians 6:9 from its context to assault gay and lesbian Christians.
God Love you as God loves me
Bye
I have to ask about your ideology. Do you believe that there is a difference between the soul of a women and the soul of a man? If the answer is yes, do you believe that it is possible for a women to be born in the body of a man? Personally I don't think that there is a difference. If the answer is no, why is it wrong if the union is joined in heaven? When you go to heaven will it matter, or do you even believe marriage carries into heaven? Do you believe if a women can not have babies that she can never marry someone? What is your definition of biblically moralized sex? What is the purpose of sex if procreation is no longer possible for an individual? Do you believe that people who are unable to have babies must become eunuchs? Do you believe that divorce is wrong? Do you believe that the reason God created women was solely for sexual enjoyment? What do you believe the Bible is talking about when it says that he made man and women in his image? Did God make man and women physically in his image or spiritually? Why would God create a difference in gender in the first place, considering that some animals reproduce with only one gender and sometimes even asexually? I mean I'm not someone who can easily answer all these questions by myself. I think these questions are very complex and require an understanding that only multiple people can truly answer. I do know that Paul also wrote to look at the principles of the Bible and not get hung up on specific lines. Keep in mind that the word homosexuality wasn't invented until at least a millennium after Paul had written parts of the new testament and even then, what they would have defined that term as would be closer to adultery than monogamy. Unfortunately, we can't go ask Paul what he thinks about modern day homosexuality. We can, however, follow translation throughout the centuries. People used to translate those parts as child molester. It seems to me that further study is needed to verify that this is the case. There are documents from the ancient Roman era that explain how men of status would raise the status of young boys in exchange for sexual favors. Is this the abomination that Paul is referring to? Again, I believe multiple people have to dig into this and come up with more arguments. There's a lot of evidence and some of it makes sense while others don't. It's hard to make an argument because we don't really have a definition for love. Sure, you can find it in a dictionary, but believe me I've tried to define love and it still never quite grasps what the words really means. I supposed it's because you can't tell someone what love is without first feeling it in some way. It's like explaining what the color blue looks like to a blind man. I think we should let people decide for themselves if they truly love someone, and hope to God that they'll listen to God. It is not our place to judge someone based on their beliefs. If it is a family member and it means a lot to them, I think you should go. It's not to approve of the couple being together, it's to be there for someone because it matters to them that you're there. Ultimately, you have to be the bigger man and do what's right even if you disapprove of what someone else is doing.
I've never heard a more candid message than this. Indeed, God still has his remnants even in America. God bless Pastor John Piper!
This is probably the first video that you've answered a yes or no question with an actual YES OR NO before the one minute mark which is quite the record.
Love is NOT accepting EVERYTHING about a person. There are things that I will not accept even in my own children. That does not mean I don't love them. My love FOR THEM is unconditional. However, I don't have to love everything they do... just them. I'm sure that most of you calling this man a bigot or whatever would not and do not accept certain behaviors from people that you love. They cannot do whatever they want to do to you or around you. That does not mean that you do not love them. It just means that some of their behaviors go against something you believe in.
If you don't want to be a Christian, then don't be. You don't have to believe in the Bible. But as in every type of organization there are rules you must adhere to to be a part of that organization. If you want to actively participate in that lifestyle, then you cannot be a Christian. We are talking about a lifestyle... there are certain lifestyles, homosexuality is one of them, that I do not support. That does not mean that I don't love the people who say they are. It just means that I don't /won't support what I don't believe in. I don't have to love homosexuality to love them as individuals. I love my God more than I love sin.
I have friends that love the New York Giants. I HATE the Giants and all that goes into supporting them. But I love my friends that support them. Same premise. So stop calling people names when they don't love EVERYTHING you do. That is not a prerequisite for love. Love should be unconditional.
Also remember that everything you "LOVE" is not always good for you... Just because two adults find common ground in something doesn't make it the right thing to do, especially as it pertains to the Bible. If you don't want to be Christian, then don't be. But don't level dispersions at those of us that want to be. Something to think about.
Great, well articulated response.
Greg Miller Thank you... You have a blessed and wonderful day.
Well said!
I totally agree! Well said!
ORIGINAL MAN CONCEPTS / DIATRIBE
Your kids are gay
I would most certainly go to a gay wedding. The food is good and your drink is always full and the girls are spectacular.
You weren't asked.
@@tofunwatoyinbo Yes I was, the question is the title.
Kenny Johnson lol true
That was beautiful. Thank you
Excellent and balanced. Heartfelt truth
Ready to forgive anything..... wow.... that last line gave me goosebumps...
+Coby Vance he is not bronze age, you're the bullshit
Wow, thank you for this clear answer!
homophobia is a sin .....even more clear an answer
“My not going is not my drawing away from my son it is him drawing away from me. I am where I have always been.”
That about days it all.
Thank you for these eternal truths.
Please counsel Begg.
I’m gay and I honestly have no idea what to do. I’m aggravated and frustrated
Same
What would you even do?
You'll love who you love when you love them, there's not much else you can do.
Just go. You will 100% regret not going,
Such a biblical response. Suscribed boii
By far the most complete answer I've ever heard, and in only four minutes!
What an ENLIGHTENING & BEAUTIFUL explanation!! He laid it out so thoughtfully & explained we're not to celebrate ANY Sin and didn't single it out how fair!!🤗
Finally someone on this Internet to believe and be PROUD OF! THANK YOU ..
hate and homophobia doesn't make me feel pride
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Yes!!! Finally someone not afraid to tell the absolute truth! I have honestly never heard many pastors speak about this topic so honest and raw...so there is NO confusion about what he believes. I honestly think some of these high profile pastors should take notes. Imagine the deliverance and salvation as a result.
@@Natasha-kg1zw assume lies are truth then for u?
@@pastorbri Not sure what you mean here but I see you are all over the comments with this homophobic rhetoric. Either way, I still stand by what I said. Praise God for the undiluted word of God!!! Hallelujah!! I guess the truth makes people feel uncomfortable. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Can any1 explain 2 me how come divorce is allowed when part of the wedding vow is...' till death do us part'...i'm not criticizing Christianity...just a question that i've been wondering about
Romans 1:31 addresses this head on: "they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them". Attending would be giving approval, something we are commanded not to do.
Wow, what a great (and heart-felt) response!
and wrong as homosexuality is not a sin
This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
Hello,@@craigd9896! I've read your replies littered throughout the comments sections below. Sorry, but I'm not going to get into it with you. One thing I will say, though, is that I am happy you have thought through this issue so thoroughly. It's so very important that people know where they stand on issues because we all will be held accountable for them when we stand before the Lord on Judgement Day.
@@jeffreywp - I know if you answer the question its either God creates sin or homosexuality is not a sin.
Yes we will all account and no one should be worried in the least to be as God created they to be.
The question stands:
This is all gender based, male / female. What do you do with people born both sexes, intersex (AIS)? They were created by God, yet at birth, with your concept of the Bible, sin for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do. We know God does not create sin. This along proves your take on Cor, Rom, Tim is incorrect - homosexuality is not a sin.
@@jeffreywp That sounds like a veiled threat to me in terms of how you are speaking to Craig. What you are really saying is - you had better watch out if you have views like that kiddo because on that final day MY God is going to ZAP you to kingdom come! And by the way - everyones replies here are "littered" - it is the way this comments section works. What you mean with your innuendo is that because his views don't coincide with your own they are sloppy and worthless.
Amen- speak the truth in and out of season.
The truth is never out of season
Yes,amen!
Thank you for your wise and biblical words-
I live in Indonesia and I attend my muslim friends' wedding all the time. What do you say about that?
Glory be to God!!!! Thx Pastor
I like this guy he stands on the Truth
This question does not need to be asked by anyone who is a Christian. The answer is so obvious.
While it should be obvious, so many have been deluded & are afraid of “offending” anyone. There are so many who fall for the lies of the devil & bow to the desires of man.
I think they ask the question so that non believers can understand why we think the way we think.
@@drdianneLc yes i agree.
@@truth-Hurts375 true and good point.
One of the pastors at our church said she went to one to let the people know she loved them, right where they were. I had a hard time understanding her because just showing up is affirmation.
Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
1 tim 5:22
Lay hands suddenly on no man,
neither be partaker of other men's sins:
keep thyself pure.
First is God and his ways, than anybody else. Even is your close relative.
Mat 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Thank you Piper for passionately answering this question
but we should support love
pastor brian what do you mean by love?
@@williamkilgore6899 try 1 cor 13;4-7!
pastor brian if you’re saying we should support gay marriage I would ask where? It says it finds no joy in unrighteousness but rejoices in truth. And chapter 6 speaks of this
@@williamkilgore6899 should we support people who are left handed? If so Id ask where?
Don't laugh as religious folk also condemned the left handed too.....so we should condemn homophobia yes.
Thank you for being bold to express God's heart
I was at work and a work,m
ate asked me to sign a card for one of the others lesbian wedding. I politely refused because by signing the card I felt I would be technically speaking a blessing over it. It wasn’t easy to do and I felt the social pressure but I’m glad I made a simple low key stand.
mans knowledge < Gods knowledge
I doubt it is healthy to automatically assume that someone is more important than you
@Mason Moore yeah but if you are wrong about this whole god thing, then you are wrong for eternity. If the believers were wrong, well, then it would have only mattered to them for the life they lived, for how many years, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway because their existence doesn't exist anymore.
mans love > god's love apparently if people are able to accept homosexual love but god isn't
@@jmalta2 Where do you think, we have a sense to love? Where do you think it comes from lol
Given that there is no god, this comparison is false.
Thank you Pastor John.
for homophobia?
pastor brian you’re problem is with the Bible and God, not John Piper, who is merely a believer in the word of God
@@jtgrace10 NOOOO YOU'RE problem is with the Bible and God, PERIOD
@@pastorbri and homosexuality they don't like that
@@asterkuriko585 if its not heterosexual, they hate it
Amen Pastor speak the Word in truth without fear
Thank you Ps , Keep preaching the truth !!!
Ps is not preaching the truth, he is preaching his truth, not God's truth. No where in the Bible does it say - two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning. Homosexuality is not a sin, love is love, and God is love
@@craigd9896 Exactly!
YEAH! Tell him to preach shit!
The truth hurts them
@@bil.johnson_ Truth may hurt, but if you are talking about homosexuality its not a sin, and therefore, not hurtful in the least.
Be who God created you to be, not what someone whats you to be.
excellent!!!
Pastor John is speaking truth!
Sorry, he is not speaking Biblical fact.
Yes, he is and you know it
N.... No
@@erinisatree9970 y...yes and if you read the bible you would know it to.
its rare for homophobics to speak truth
I'm about to get married (in less than 2 months), I'm a divorce(e/r?) My ex wife has remarried, my fiancee hasn't been married. Would it be disrespectful for me to remarry?
You can tell the very thought cuts him to the heart on so many levels. On the one hand, he immediately says no and points to biblical truth and on the other hand he immediately affirms the love for and the value of the parties involved, in not wanting to cause further stumbling on their part perhaps by his very endorsement.
Once again, Piper hits the nail on the head perfectly. It's not a wedding if it's two people of the same sex.
i beg to differ, it is a wedding if it is two people of the same sex
Only a man and woman makes a wedding according to God. Shalom.
dar win
see while that may be your belief, the fact is that god has nothing to do with marriages
atheistsrnumber1 Marriage is God's creation, design, and idea.
dar win only to you and other liars, but the fact is that god has nothing to do with it
The wisdom of God is coming out of this man, thank you for teaching and preaching.
Really?? Can you show me in the Greek New Testament where the condemnation of "homosexuals" would be?? I am sure you can point it out in the English translation, but NOT in the original Greek! Because it ISN'T THERE! The word "homosexual" wasn't even in the Bible until 1946!! PLEASE do your homework before spewing ignorance!!
Mountain Guy Romans 1:26-27 explain that to me...
Very courage man of God
@@wendygarbhe-fleming2626 assume u never read all romans 1?
@Tara King His message was from 2 years ago... let us hope he is now a brother in Christ rather than sling mud at 2 year old words. Let us both remember that if it wasn't for the Spirit opening our eyes, we would still be blind.
This is absolutely phenomenal. The word of God is pure always. Amazing response. Good food.
What is the moral reason adult consensual same sex relationships should be prohibited? There is no harm and there are infertile people having marital sex that isn't for procreation.
@@questionasker8791 Here is a bit of a clue to answering your deeply sensible question. There isn't any reason. Still less a moral one! People believe the bible because the bible says the bible is the word of God. People believe pastor John because they do what they are told and he offers them intellectual candyfloss and a Big Mac and Fries. And when they die there will be pie in the sky and all the wicked people will be in hell which is their own silly fault and what they deserve so don't worry about it too much. And beneath that people (including the bearded patriachs who wrote and edited the bible) have a deep deep pathological fear about other people who either look different from how they do and/or in some way behave different from how they do and they lack the courage and maturity to cast a rational moral eye on this jibbering irrational fear in their minds and pluck it out.
With out compromising to the world Pastor John spoke! All glory to His matchless name!
You are a brave, brave, brave and loving man John Piper! Bless you.
+Lorna Seneiya Sempele And Piper needs to repent for spreading false Gospel. Fact - homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible.
+Craig D IT IS A SIN WHETHER YOU LKE IT OR NOT!
VICKY SAKELLARIOU Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible,
There is nothing brave and nothing loving about associating loving relationships between two people and ceremonies to represent that love with theft and greed. I have dear dear friends who are gay and who are married. One of them does absolutely brilliant and tireless and gruelling work for a charity that is just down the road from me. He loves his partner very very dearly and many other people have benefitted from the warmth and from the strength of their relationship. They love each other and are devoted to each other and as yet no major disaster has happened because they have sex together and are married to each other. But as soon as they cause an earthquake or one of them goes onto the local university campus and starts shooting people I will let you know. After all these events are just as hideous as the marriage this sinful hell bound pair have initiated themselves in. The charity in question saves lives by offering a loving and listening service for people who are so broken and mentally ill or have so many problems they have run from their own homes. Perhaps pastor John would like to meet some of the people that my friend has helped away from suicide and into safety before he tells him his relationship is an abomination and his marriage no better than a celebration of lust or greed. We can give him a tour of the place and he can meet the other gay people who tirelessly work there too.