We have a 70 year old man at church who was set free of homosexuality after his entire life. He cried out to God and said he wanted to be holy as God is holy and our Lord delivered him. It's a beautiful testimony.
I talked to one guy who has been living in a monogamous homosexual relationship with the same partner for 45 years until his partner died for age related reasons and then this person got saved too.
@@aj7710 you need to pray and fast alot, starting immediately. (Matthew 17:21). Read and re-read Romans 1 as well.
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sexual relations between a man and woman produce a healthy child sexual relations between a man and man produce disease, infections,cancers and physical suffering. The science is irrefutable and clear.
I've lost friends once they found out I was Christian. Come to find out, they were "in the closet," and automatically snapped to the conclusion that because I'm Christian that I hate them. I didn't get to explain to them that I don't hate them... Just straight up RAGE cussed me out and dropped me. I didn't get a chance to explain that while I don't agree with their lifestyle, let's keep in mind they don't agree with mine, either. Didn't get to point out how intolerant *they're* being. Nope. Just RAGED at me, out of left field and left me there like 😲 Oh, but *I'm* the hateful, intolerant one. 🤷 This was all when I became a new Christian. I still don't have a problem telling people I'm Christian, but if I find out someone is homosexual, I will explain the above first, as a seque. Just because someone likes soccer but you like hockey, does it mean you hate each other? We tell them that what they're doing is wrong out of love; we don't want them to go to Hell. But they see it as hate.😞 If you tell a child not to put his or her hand on the stove because it's hot, is *that* hate? Of course not! You're trying to warn them of danger. But it's seen as hate.
Yeah its sad they don't see who's the intolerant one. I also understand that some Christians have been less than loving to everyone claiming to be perfect and better than everyone. Plus rampant programming keeps telling them Christianity is the enemy of their lifestyle which they convince them is their identity. I think their identity is much bigger than that. Keep reaching out to them, treat them with love. You will minister to them by your love and actions. Maybe one day they will be your friends again and know Jesus one day for themselves and become children of God.
@@Perfectlyradiant_ surely it's good he asked you about spriritual gifts? So you can then have a conversation about your beliefs. Why would that be from the devil?
Because when I worked there he mad fun of Jesus all the time and blasphemed him. Telling jokes about Jesus and nails. He wasn’t asking for direction. He was also unkind to another Christian that worked with me until she quit. I do still pray for him though. Sometimes people set you up because they want to argue. And sometimes it’s legit I felt that was a set up.
I mean... i kinda understand, especially after all the things on the media with christians shaming, discriminating the lgbtq community. You should check out the war of loves; an unexpected story of a gay activist discovering jesus. It will give u an idea of the whole lgbtq-christian complex relationship dynamic, amazing book!
The problem is that today, people often knowingly disregard the Bible and yet claim Christianity. These people are not practicing Christians, and they need to repent for this sin.
@@walterdaems57 I'd rather support a man who tolerates Christianity instead of a woman who would cause far more damage than Obama ever did. I don't discredit his sin and stupidity- both exist. Yet the conversation becomes "a lesser of two evils."
Elisha McFarland see, this kind of retarded rhetoric based on presumption and disregard of facts is the reason why I keep repeating that every religion should be banned and make place for philosophy so people start to think instead of believing and parroting so called ‘scriptures’ and ‘holy books’ written by the most common of men.
@@walterdaems57 And in doing that, you become the communists. You'd ban religion because of your faulty grasp on what religion even is. Pathetic to see what today's atheists have turned into
We seek to please Man instead of God. Lord have mercy on us and grant us the grace to not move from your solid foundation no matter the pressure Amen 🙏🏼
The most high God does not recognise same sex union as marriage and he wrote creation. All believers will agree with him. Those that are not really believers will agree with the prince of the powers of the air who does affirm such unions
Tell that to the dolphins and all the other animals created by god who are full blown homosexual. But that’s not the point. If a god exists he couldn’t care less, and if he exist, it’s simply none of your business.
@@walterdaems57 I may tell it to any creature with the capacity to understand. Sin affects animals too, or did you think nature meant "good" you suppose cannibalism is ok because it is seen in nature too? As for my business it is as much mine as this comment section is yours, If it is God's business you ought to know his people are often privy to it. You however speak for your god who is called the prince of the powers of the air.
INCORRUPTIBLE WORD sinners are god’s favorite, otherwise his only son died for nothing. Apart from that, get real, grow up and read a book that teaches you something
@@walterdaems57 sinners God's favorite? I suppose you got that from books other than the bible because it certainly doesn't say that in there. Even you must see that to believe that is ill advised. It is good to read and from different sources I will give you that. As for growing up well we are all growing children in the eyes of God albeit some refuse to grow and others believe they have already attained perfection.
You seem to be upset, but the fate of Protestantism is that it has at least as many opinions as it has denominations. But what is it? With regard to the christian bible the dogma is 1600 years old. The catholic church canonized the new testament by recognizing a number of scriptures that floated in the ancient world, were divinely inspired (aka the word of God) at the end of the fourth/beginning of the fifth century. With regard to the church Jesus founded (Mat 16,18) the dogma is 2000 years old. So the first 400 years of Christianity there was no new testament but the catholic church that has/had, like nowadays, the final word in faith and morals (e.g. see Acts 15). Only the catholic church can trace back its origin to the event in Mat. 16.18. The gates of hell will not prevail against her.
Prayer is a good start. I've been praying that I would be more in love with God. May your knowledge of God turn to passion. Praying Numbers 6.24-26 over you. "May the Lord bless you and protect you. May the Lord smile on you and be gracious to you. May the Lord show you His favor and give you His peace."
Brother, don’t give up hope that God can work in our darkest spots. If you’re numb to sin, hardened in heart, even there God can save you. Isaiah 57: 16-18 and Micah 7:8-9 have been bringers of hope to me. Continue in prayer
I found myself giving into that as well and just accepting the world how it was, when before I used to argue every nonsense. I will pray for you 'cause there's a way out. God always grants us that when we repent and go back to Him. I will advice that you pray, fast, read the Word and keep yourself away or tone down your intake on worldly influences, whether that be movies, shows, music, etc. Also, friendships and family members that are liberal and take this matters lightly. Gotta change your environment. God bless you ♥
If you realize your predicament, you're not so numb beyond repentance. Your desire to change and request for prayer are possible (not certain) signs the Spirit is working in your life to draw you to Him. Respond to that call, immerse yourself in the Word and in prayers of surrender, read (and reread) the Gospel and pray God makes it real in your heart. Also, find a good Bible-centered church and talk with a pastor/elder. God bless!
"Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; FOR THEY LOVED THE PRAISE OF MAN MORE THAN THE PRAISE OF GOD." (John 12:42-43) Moral cowardice fueled by not wanting to look bad in front of and/or be rejected by other people. Surrendering to the desire for fleeting human acceptance. Wanting to appear "progressive" and in step with the times in the eyes and opinions of mortal men rather than standing up for the truth of God's word. In short: PRIDE. Jesus was despised and rejected by men (lsaiah 53:3) and those who are TRULY his disciples will be as well (John 15:18-20, Matthew 5:11-12, 2Timothy 3:12). The FEAR OF MAN lays a snare but he who trusts in the Lord is safe (Proverbs 29:25). Either we fear man and compromise with sin or we fear God and depart from evil (Matthew 10:28, lsaiah 8:11-13, Proverbs 8:13).
How about this pastor John. How about the so called Christian leaders in this nation call for prayer and fasting like the old days. And not for show, as is the habit of some. Not for publicity on social media, or so you can promote your next book. But how about we as Christians March into the battlefield, fall on our knees in the dirt in the town square, drop our faces to the dust and weep and beg for forgiveness for this nation. The nation burns because the churches have become businesses that are more interested in playing it safe than they are seeking God’s will no matter the cost. We should all be ashamed and repent.
Wise Virgin you don’t know the Bible and you don’t know god .... we pretend to have understanding and we pretend to seek him .... may his judgment come quickly to purge us of false Christians and true devils
My pastor and associate pastors don’t teach this, however, my women’s study affirms a member who is gay. I had addressed this with our Bible study leader a year ago. She dismissed my comment that we are all sinners. A month ago our small group asked who were our mentors. She said a person who supported her when she came out. I sent her an email expressing my concern about how she is living, and what the Bible says about same sex relationships. She has not responded. So I had a zoom meeting with my small group leader and her husband. Her husband believes the Bible implicitly. Her husband suggested I contact the small group leader pastor. The pastor immediately contacted the Bible study leader to address this with her. The husband’s of these Bible studies believe the Bible the way it is written, but not their wives. The other pastors are trying to figure out how to approach this wisely. Please pray this issue would be handled biblically.
Yes, we ARE all sinners, but God calls us to repent from our sins and seek to root out the sin in our lives. Jesus repeatedly told people to “sin no more.”
Charles Luckey Exactly, that is what I told the small group pastor who talked to the women’s Bible study leader. It’s very sad how people are influenced by the culture and bringing this opinion into the church.
Taking 3 minutes and Reading Romas 1 should put this to bed pretty quickly. It's clear as day what the correct position is in the New Testament. If the church you attend dilly-dallies for too long on this, then, they are more interested in pleasing the world than in obeying God's word.
@@mechelledesigns there's a legal exemption for religious institutions; they are under no legal obligation to admit anyone as a congregant and can just about exclude anyone. For example, many churches do not allow people who are living together but are unmarried to be congregants. Harassment from gays is entirely another matter - they can either stand up for the word of God and take it, or be more interested in pleasing man. I know it's not easy, and dont mean to make light of it, but, it might be time for a new church
Remember to always speak in love. Matthew 19:4-5 reads “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh" This addresses gender identity, gender fluidity, the trans population and homosexuality. Jesus says men are men and women are women and only acknowledges that a man should be joined with a wife. He only refers to a man and a wife because that is the only legitimate marriage/approved sexual relationship.
Exactly. And if you look more into it, male and female can create life, but same sex couples can't. This next verse may be used in another way, but I believe it fits here too. Look at Matthew 7:19, "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." There is no good fruit in the LGBTQ community because they don't follow God's law.
They say, we were born that way. What can we do about it? So was I. I was born a thief, adulterous, a liar. But I refuse to claim that as my identity becomes Christ's blood had set me free from all those sins. Is a sin! not identity....
Grim Reefer Be patient with those who don’t understand the dynamic of the sin nature. She’s on the right track with identity as something outside of human desire. If your church experience has been one of legalistic thinking you should express your distaste for legalism...don’t make it personal.
I call them Libertarian Christians. In my experience, if you sit down and actually talk with people like this you’ll quickly find that it’s not just a “one issue” deal. That is, if they’re lenient on same-sex marriage then they’re also fine with cohabiting before marriage (and are probably doing it) and the like. They only draw the line at “obvious” sins that they’re detached from/don’t directly affect them, like polygamy and murder.
I think any Christian should be saying there's no such thing as same-sex marriage. As the video title says, it's "so-called." Affirming it goes against what's written in God's Word.
What our Lord Almighty has stated in his Word is what is stated. Our God is a God of immense love, mercy and compassion but his standards are not negotiable. Unless the church looks for God's presence and will and it's filled with power, authority, anointment and sanctification by the Holy Spirit, they will be swayed to other currents of influences and mindsets incompatible with God's principles. Without holiness, we will not see the Lord. The church MUST return to the WORD and to GOD. No more needs to be said.
"Favoring allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally" is NOT the same as "affirming same-sex marriage," in my opinion, and I dislike that they're treated as equal in this video. Do I think you _should_ marry a man if you're a man, or a woman if you're a woman? Of course I don't, and I never will. But the world's law has nothing to do with whether or not people sin. It's _God's kindness_ that leads to repentance (Romans 2:4), not illegality. The world's concept of marriage already wasn't the Biblical one to begin with, and that will never change. Same-sex romance will exist regardless. I really don't think that recognizing it from a legal standpoint changes anything, honestly. With that being said, do I favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally? I'm more-so indifferent about it than against it for the reasons above. I will never _affirm_ same-sex romance. It's the same thing with pornography. How on _earth_ are you going to enforce porn's illegality, especially when things as horrific as the dark web exist? It'd be prohibition all over again. Almost every male (and more females than you think) would be in prison. Do I affirm the porn industry? Not in the slightest. But I don't think that making it illegal solves the problem. Although I absolutely think traffickers should be punished by law here on earth because they pose an imminent threat to the humanity of others, throwing people in jail or denying them marital representation will not change their hearts. We're after people's _hearts_ as Christ's followers. We're not politicians.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging
I suggest you study Colossians 2:16-23 ☺️ I believe most of your questions are answered by Paul in these texts! And may God bless you and reveal to you His good and perfect will!
@@meekofortin14 So it doesn't tell me how much I could sell my daughter for, does it? Nor, does it tell me about owing slaves, does it? So my question stand.
@@craigd9896 Because it shows in these verses that the things of the old have passed. We’ve been given a new commandment that far exceeds the old in importance. There is no point anymore in dwelling in the old things, like all of your questions because we are now to focus on loving God and others! Jesus simplified the law! ♥️ we don’t need to burden ourselves with these questions. Instead replace it with worship and sharing the gospel!
@@meekofortin14 So they why is same sex marriage a no no, and homosexuality a sin? Ya know in Rom and Cor its all about prostitutes (both female and male), orgies, pederasty...not about homosexuality.
We are one in Christ. His Kingdom is made up of every people and tongue, every nation and tribe. God is no respecter of persons, and we shouldn't be either since we are all precious souls created in His image. God bless you.
"Dr Gerald McDermott, recently retired professor of theology at Beeson Divinity School in the U.S., describes the abandonment of male-female marriage as the most serious false teaching facing the church. "Same-sex marriage, he says, is ‘the great creation heresy of our age on marriage and sexuality’. Marriage is central to the Christian faith, he explains, ‘because marriage is the principal metaphor in the Bible for God's relationship to his people’. Thus, ‘getting marriage wrong means getting God wrong.’ "This is why it is not something on which Christians can agree to disagree. ‘Progressives who embrace gay marriage worship another Jesus ... These are not two ways of being Christian; they are two religions worshipping different gods.’ "
You tell them what the bible says. It is an abomination unto the Lord. A man shall not lay with a man as one lays with a woman. Repent of sin and follow Yeshua/Jesus...You get eternal life instead of eternal Damnation...Romans Chapter one.
It's also a matter of how you tell Them. Some People are broken inside when it comes to them struggling with such Type of sexual Sin, they're overburdened with Shame, Guilt and self condemnation, hence they try hard to find and cling on to any place/idea of solace/love and peace of mind. We would have to show them(through the word) that there is someone out there, that truly and authentically cares and loves them, and that is Jesus Christ, who comes not to condemn nor persecute, but to save and bring hope to all that are willing to receive him into their hearts.
yes homophobia is an abomination and the old law is dead so why are u mentioning it, is this why God said what he did in 1 tim 2;8-14? More so v.12? Sounds like this might be written for you!
@@pastorbri No, all of the law is not dead, if it were you would be able to lie,cheat, steal and kill and get away with it. All of the law is not done away with... Read Romans the first chapter. Paul says, those who do such things deserve death, which is what God Almighty said himself...
God gave them over to a reprobate mind , they exchanged the natural function of a woman to have sex with a man. God calls it an ABOMINATION! look up the word!
At the end it all amounts to who do you love the most, God or yourself?. If you love God above all thinks (to love Jesus is to deny yourself and trust God) you will do his will but if you love yourself above all thinks you will do the thinks that make you happy (love, all types of pleasure, leisure, ect) and make you contempt. When you set your self esteem and self centered attitude/goal higher than your love for God then you make a bridge (spiritual bridge with a locked gate) between you and God. God wants to have an intimate spiritual relation with us, he wants to be 100% a part of our lives and decisions so he could help us make the right ones in all parts of our lives. We weren't made for the purpose of self exaltation and for the purpose of seeking a happy and enjoyable live on this earth. We were made for the purpose of sharing God's kingdom , love and friendship with God. Adam was considered God's friend, he spoke to God on a one to one basis, and to worship God in spirit and in truth we must reach that relationship through Christ. If we understand that reality we will want to reconnect with God and reestablish that intimate relationship we were meant to have from the beginning of creation but to reestablish that relationship we must accept God's terms and conditions (it was man who rebelled against God and disobeyed God not the other way around). The starting point is accepting by faith his grace through Jesus atonement in the cross. When we do that our sinful carnal nature is buried with Christ and our spiritual nature is risen with our Lord and Savior in his resurrection. That's exactly what Saint Paul meant when he was describing different sins that people do (homosexuals, effeminate, murderers, idolaters, ect) then he goes on saying that some of them were like that but by the grace of God they were transformed.. If you are struggling with homosexuality, pornography or any other sexual sin but you allow Jesus, The Holy Spirit and The Father to enter your live and break the chains that have you under submission and imprisoned you will never be alone and an outcast from God's Kingdom!. Take my word for it, I once WAS an outcast from God's kingdom but by the grace and mercy of God I am NOW counted among His children!. ALLELUIA , glory be to the ALL MIGHTY GOD AND HIS HOLY SON JESUS CHRIST WHO SET ME FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF SIN!!!!!!!!!
Homosexuality is not a sin and it's also a natural variation in sociology archeology you need to read. Please educate yourself I know when you realize you're a gay person if frightens you cuz all you've ever heard is propaganda well you need to educate yourself because that is the way to peace and acceptance and the way to get healthy. And by the way LGBT community is very religious as well we just see through our eyes. Just like black people can see racism in a way that white people cannot. 🌈😇👍
@@pastorbri you are rught. I just have noticed pastors really go on about homosexual realatio ships compared to just breezing over premarital sex and sex outside of marriage.
I think people know in their heart this is wrong. That’s why most of the world spends a majority of their time trying to paint real Christians as hateful. Or trying to get them to agree that their not sinning. If people really believed what they were doing was ok. They would rest on that and not care what anyone else thought. Now they’ve been given all the same rights as everyone else. And they are still complaining. Wanting everyone to bow down to their beliefs. So they feel better. As if to say if everyone says it’s right then they might believe it themselves.
The word "homophobia or transphobia," when broken down, roughly means being scared of Trans and Gay. Its loaded suffix suggests that it's a clinical term, just as arachnophobia refers to people with a fear of spiders. The FBI are corrupt protecting Biden who is weakening our nation fearing these hater's. No surprise to see corrupt police coward to weaken our nation by fearing these hater's. They hate Christians by dressing up like Jesus on the cross to mock Him as evil provoking Christians to hate them. They use God's name in vain. They dress up like Satan to mock God that are stones throwed at Christian's. They hate us that wars to hate God that we do hate these stones but not any person. They take and make evil the rainbow. They provoke Christians to hate which some fall in the trap that they show their trophy that they shot up. They are so starved to hate Christians that they hit us by striking at God that hates this abomination. Sin of any kind God hates because Sin separates us from God to the torments of Satan that hates us all. All that don't warn these demon infested people are the true haters. True Christians with truth that Jesus loves to set them free indeed. Turn to God will bless our Satan hated land. Turning to Satan then curse God brings more hate to our land. Yet lost man blames God to hate him as Satan does.
The church is a group of born again believers and subject to God's laws. You do not get to change God's word. If you favour this lifestyle then you are going contrary to God's word and to live this lifestyle is to face God's wrath.
Thomas... you are wrong. Jesus taught [Mat 13] the "church" contains BOTH many unsaved "tares" sown by Satan and relatively few saved "wheat" sown by God. The Bible speaks of TWO churches. One is the temporal "church" on the corner and the other is the eternal "church" which contains ONLY the saved "wheat". Therefore, when you say "church" you should define WHICH church you are talking about. --------
@@wisevirgin3405 The church are the elect of God . Not the building or a group of People meeting together in that building. The true church is the bride.
@@55tamcam .... No child... you are just WRONG (or Jesus was a liar). As I already told you, JESUS explained the "church" consists of MANY unsaved "tares" sown by Satan and relatively FEW saved "wheat" sown by God. So that is how JESUS DEFINED the "church" in Matthew 13. ----------------- As I ALSO told you, the Bible uses the word "church" to represent ONLY the saved "wheat" in some verses. And in THOSE verses the "church" is the "Body of Christ" or the "Bride". ------------------ You seem to be having some mental challenges being able to understand that the BIBLE uses the word "church" in TWO different ways... whether it is talking about the TEMPORAL "church" of BOTH "wheat and tares" or the ETERNAL "church" of ONLY saved people. ------------------ BTW... I don't know WHY you talk about buildings... I never mentioned that. Is that a strawman argument you like to make? ------------------ Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. ------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ----------------------
@@55tamcam ... If you care about Bible Truth then this 10 minute read is well worth it. ------------------------------- www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-1 -------------------------------
@@wisevirgin3405 You are correct that Jesus knew there were people who were not saved amount those that followed him and he knew who they were. He also made it clear there was a need for repentance and he made it clear that sinners must turn from their sin. The bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin that will prevent people from entering heaven. We can not affirm this behaviour but need to try and lead them to Christ. Approving off their lifestyle is not showing them God's love.
I respond by saying that though you believe they are simply lying, they are not. They have within them the same kind of attraction that you have and just like you it is not adjustable. You are attracted to a person of the opposite sex and just as you are powerless to change that so they are too powerless. You just don't believe them. You think they are lying because in your pride you believe that others who are different from you are lying on purpose just to go against God. Why would they do that? Wouldn't it be alot easier to go with the flow and seek to do good each day just as we do with anger, pride or selfishness. Obviously they would if they could. But they can't, and you simply refuse to believe that. In fact your intense stubbornness and violent protest are such that one may begin to wonder if this is more about you and your confusion and self hate than it is about anyone else. Further you are cruel. Asking them, forcing them would be akin to forcing a man born with only one arm to grow a new one, or else be in sin. He simply cannot no matter how loud you yell. We would consider such an act extremely cruel. So we too with those who are homosexual. I do not understand why, I just know it is. I do not understand why the Bible is in contradiction, but the Bible is in contradiction with many, many things applicable to our daily lives. I just trust God in His wisdom, knowing that the whole of the ocean could not contain that which is God, how conceited to think I could. I do know this. I worship God. I do not worship the Bible. I believe in the Father Son and the Holy Spirit not the Father Son and the Holy Bible. When I come to a passage that I do not understand or that confuses or conflicts me in any way, I do not let it affect my faith and trust in the Father. Nor do I take such conflicts out in public causing grief and strife to those who seek to follow Him. That's how I respond and how Jesus responds. We are to Go and Tell, not go and yell.... Amen.
Ecclesiastes 3:18, Psalm 73:21-22 and Galatians 5:15 say/prove otherwise. When people choose not to be led by the Spirit of God (which unfortunately the vast majority of human beings do) all we have left are SELF-centered animal urges. They may be disguised with human intelligence but ultimately we seek our own base, animalistic instincts. Look at how we describe ourselves in this "dog eat dog world" full of predatory lenders and loan sharks. As it is written: "All we like sheep have gone astray..." (lsaiah 53:6). God says, Jesus says we are sheep.
"Excommunication from the church is NOT unloving". Right, and I know many gay people who experienced that 'love'. Piper also says that shunning your gay kids, "Godly Ostracism" is his sweet euphemism for it, - that is NOT unloving either. - And I know plenty of gay kids who were shunned and disowned by their 'Godly' Parents. It's Horseshit!
@@joshuatheo1419 bro, u dont know all mankind, just because u r not loving or forgiving does not every body is like u...jesus is love he is forgiving and he is god,..i am not darkness...
@@roderickcruz5234 .... Child, please get serious. Jesus called people fools and serpents and children of hell and liars and hypocrites and vipers an swine and dogs and goats and children of Satan and infidels and heathen and wolves in sheep's clothing.... which one of those names shows Jesus taught to "love" the sinner? Please be specific if you want to be taken seriously. --------------------- Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. --------------------- When Jesus said to not "cast your pearls" (preach the Gospel) to SWINE... was He saying to "LOVE" the swine? --------------------- Clearly you do not even understand the "milk" of the Gospel. What hope do you have to understand the "meat"? -----------------------
@@wisevirgin3405 ,you should help the person understand then, you don't have to criticize them. We are all together on this as Christians, we have to build each other up,& learn from our mistakes.
@@wisevirgin3405 but didn't Jesus also say love thy neighbor? Including our enemies, at least keeping them close? Not every gay person is of Satan and a follower, just lost. That's who he mention those things about that are ill--INTENTIONAL evildoers. Didn't He walk in love with all the transgressors of the world, atoning everyone's sins, including the people who put him on the cross? (Isaiah 53:12) What about Paul, although he wasn't gay, he still did every other bad deed and would seem the farthest of being saved, and yet, God chose him. You're response isn't coming out of love like the Gospels teach, but rather judgment and fear. Jesus loves YOU, a sinner. He loved you so the Gospel could reach you, which i see you adore. Although your name isn't specifically in the bible, you're technically still in the plan of salvation. Why not give the basic respect but belittle their comment? Would Christ say same to you if you said something "folly". Yes, love the sinner, hate the sin. HELP them (out of love, not just conviction or anything solely less) to overcome and see the beauty of Christ and his life and the law of God. All the best though
Rom 1:ff speaks to the natural order that Abba Yahweh has set. That order is evident with Adam and Eve. One man and one woman. I have confronted many homosexuality. It just another sin that has to be broken
I’m pretty sure pastor John gets divorce and remarriage wrong. That is an even bigger threat because you are in adultery if you are married to another person’s spouse. Romans 7:3. Then look at 1 Cor 6:9 and it’s not good news. Pray for all in unrepentant sin. God bless! This article will explain it as well as possible. Nypastor.com
Every Sin we commit, we reap the consequences of it here on earth, this is God's justice. In the end, at the white throne judgment, only God who will judge through Christ every sinners in Righteousness, whether it be administered by grace, mercy, and justice. And the Power that drives Him to do so is His Great Love. Even those He will destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire is His compassion and mercy bourne out of His Love.
@@westb1028 for those destroyed in the lake of fire is God's mercy, after serving their hellish prison time in the outer darkness, this is God's justice.
@@westb1028 have you heard of mercy killing? Is this of God or of satan? Mercy killing is allowing the person to die to free him from the agony of pain, suffering, and torment. You do that to someone you love, and not because you dont want to incur anymore so much loses from ballooning hospital bills.
The bible is the laws from God given to man. The laws of God is timeless, the laws of man can be changed and adjusted on a whim. These so called christians have capitulated to the laws of man. When you try to rationalize God you go into a never ending cycle of confusing. Have simple belief and simple faith as a child.
Maybe we should tell them the truth. And save them from Hell. Which is the point of the church. We love them. But God does not like sin. He wants them to repent. Sex is a struggle. Just because we can. Does not mean we should.
Slippery slope though... doesn't the Bible say that God has appointed teachers we should learn from, and they should prove themselves by rightly dividing the word?
@@wisevirgin3405 Do you think God is holding their sin against them and that He is mindful of their wrong doing?...if So, then God must be keeping record of the entire worlds wrong doing... Most unbelievers dont repent because false Christians keeping pointing out their sin, instead of telling them the good news about their forgiveness which has the power to break chains of bondage.
@@brendonburdett7015 .... Child, do you not realize the Lake-of-Fire will be heavily populated? Even among the Christians.... Many are called (called by the Gospel) but FEW are chosen (chosen to be saved). In fact, MANY of those in hell are "Christians" who called Jesus "Lord". ------------------------- Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ------------------------------ Let me explain a BASIC and ESSENTIAL element of the (true) Gospel. --------------------- The Bible explains [Mat 13:24-30] there are three types of people: (1) The saved "wheat/sheep" in the church (the children of God) and (2) The unsaved "tares/goats" in the church (the children of Satan) and (3) All the lost souls OUTSIDE of the church - like Jews, Moslems, Buddhists Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Secular Humanists, Pagans and Satanists etc, etc, ------------------------ The Bible ALSO explains there are four (4) temporal "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth before the Lord Returns (during the Seventh Trumpet) and the resurrection occurs at the beginning of the (5th) "Kingdom of Heaven"... specifically NAMED by Jesus. ------------------------ The (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom [the only Kingdom NOT NAMED by Jesus] The (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS specifically NAMED [Mat 22:2] The (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS specifically NAMED [Mat 13:24-30] The (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS specifically NAMED [Mat 25:1] -------------------------- EACH of these "Kingdoms of Heaven" were TEMPORAL and they contained BOTH saved people and unsaved people [Mat 7:21-23] since MANY people who call Jesus their "Lord" will be spending eternity in torment. They were never saved (and they demonstrated that in the "fruit" of their false doctrines). --------------------------- The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS NAMED [Mat 5 and 7 and 8 and 19] is the final "Kingdom of Heaven". It contains all the saved from EACH of the previous four (temporal) Kingdoms - but it contains NONE of the unsaved from the temporal Kingdoms. It is DIFFERENT from both the Christian Kingdom and the Great Tribulation Kingdom as: (a) it is eternal instead of temporal and (b) it contains ONLY the saved "wheat/sheep". --------------------------- READ chapter 3 for SCRIPTURES on the WHEN of any Bible passage. (theology 101) READ chapter 5 for SCRIPTURES on the WHO of any Bible passage. (theology 102) READ chapter 6 for SCRIPTURES on the DIFFERENCE with the one "Kingdom of God" ------------------------ www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-3 www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-5 www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-6 ---------------------------
@@brendonburdett7015 ... you said (and I quote) ---------------------- Do you think God is holding their sin against them and that He is mindful of their wrong doing?... if So, then God must be keeping record of the entire worlds wrong doing... ------------------------ Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. ----------------------- Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. ----------------------- The Gospel declares that men must PAY for their sins... it says every idle word. In fact, it says you will even be Judged for your THOUGHTS. Have you never read the Bible? ----------------------- BTW.... there is no "good news" until you FIRST understand that ONE SIN will result in you PAYING for that sin with an eternity of torment. The Gospel STARTS with the result of Adam's "original sin" and ALL of his offspring being born spiritually DEAD and destined to eternal torment. THEN (after you understand the BAD NEWS) the Gospel also show the Good News of Jesus being the Savior of those who were "ordained" to believe and those who were "chosen" to be saved... and those who were "elected" to eternal life. If you don't understand the BAD NEWS... there is no NEED for any good news. ----------------------
@@wisevirgin3405Yes yes...You speak as if I do not know because you fail to understand. You have ears yet you do not hear. You speak paragraphs of so called wisdom trying to correct and going down many paths, yet you fail to perceive. You refer to Me as "child", when You are the "adult" who should start believing like a child. Empty your cup and stop trying to defend your bad news gospel which is the very reason why so many people are going there.
This is the fault of church leadership. Started with allowing women to pastor. Downhill from there. Women, by nature (not all, but most) are more sympathetic and emotional, and welcomed in Romans 1 reprobates.
lovelover i understand that first part and okay thats fine. i was just assuming bc of how many homophobes exist on videos like these. have a great day though
Great answer Pastor Piper! My two cents: You show practical, tangible love to homosexuals just like Jesus showed kindness to you "while you where yet a unredeemed sinner." At the same time, you warn them of the coming judgement in a heartfelt way and share the gospel message with precision and passion as the LORD gives you the opportunity. Above all, you stand on the Word of God no matter the cost. Lastly, we should keep in mind that everyone is born in sin and we all choose to some degree which sin we will serve. One man may bow to homosexuality while another bows to fornincation. Either way we all must turn from sin and bow to Jesus. I have a blood-brother who is bound to homosexuality and the LORD has shown me through His Word how to repond to him. May the LORD guide us all.
“Those who do such things will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” That contradicts the Gospel of Grace (Faith in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection causes your sins to be blotted our from the record). Also, the Bible calls lying lips and a proud look “abominations,” just like homosexuality. (That same verse continues: your self-righteousness is as filthy rags.) Furthermore, 2 Corinthians 12:7 is the verse in which Paul explains what it’s like to have sinful tendencies that can’t be overcome. In fact, those tendencies are used to knock him down a peg when he is exalted above his measure. Don’t forget that we are all sinners and we are covered by Grace... so rest in him. There is a difference between personal weaknesses and joyfully, openly defying GOD. Don’t condemn yourselves by condemning homosexuals, whom have just as much access to Grace as you. Only non-believing homosexuals (like every other sin group) will be judged like that. I’m not promoting homosexuality. It’s not on par with heterosexual marriage. It’s a mercy because the simple fact is some people can’t help it. Not affording this sort of mercy can cause other vices to creep up in a state of stress. The Apostle Paul tells us both: keep the Commandments and that we’re incapable of keeping them. So, use GOD’s standards as a reference point while structuring civil laws around what people can be reasonably expected to rein-in. GOD did tell us His standards. But He also tells us that none of us can live up to them. We have a limited ability to choose right and wrong in our fallen flesh. (By the way, none of our flesh enters the Kingdom of Heaven. We get glorified bodies, which correct our current corruptions! You didn’t take that into account.) When GOD puts it on your heart to change something, change it. But, if He doesn’t take a sinful tendency away from an individual, realize that this happens all the time and for EVERY sinful tendency. Do not hypocritically condemn one another. Preach the Gospel of Grace (not works), and leave the rest up to GOD. Don’t promote homosexuality, but give mercies on par with the many mercies you are given for lying, accusing, condemning others, and so forth.
First of, the Bible tells us that is a sin, and an abomination before the sight of God. That is very clear. 2nd, sanctification is a lifetime process, God will sanctify us and get rid of every thing/sin that defiles us. 3rd if you are truly a christian you will never tolerate what nailed Jesus Christ on the cross (sin). So yes preach the True Gospel, preach grace but preach sin as well, cause we should be informed of what is wrong before God. Remember hell is as real as heaven. It is love to tell people that eternal damnation awaits them if they continue practicing homosexuality& homosexual acts.
Zini Narciso - That’s not my particular vice. But, I have a grasp on other vices. Keep in mind that the Bible considers lying lips and a proud look to also be abominations... same word as sexual immorality. I think my place in the Body of Christ is to remind others of mercy and forgiveness. Self-righteousness (which the Bible says is as filthy rags) can be easily hidden in one’s pursuit of Christ... like a blind spot. I’m not chucking out any standards or calling evil good. All I’m doing is making sure mercy isn’t thrown out over simplistic, technocratic rule assertions. May GOD bless you and your family.
@@brandonburum8279 I agre with you mercy should not be forgotten but informing people most especially christians of what sin is, how evil sin is, and what are sins? are of the same impotance as well. Thank you. God bless you also and may you grow more in your relationship with God.
Zini Narciso - OK. But, I just want to make sure that people know that none of us are righteous. When we come to faith in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins, burial, and resurrection, His righteousness is credited to us. We don’t earn righteousness any other way. That truth gets lost along the way.
Zini Narciso - I was with you for those first couple sentences. The reason homosexuality doesn’t continue in the Kingdom is that we’re given glorified bodies: a different flesh that isn’t of a sinful nature. Saying that a believer practicing homosexuality in our current flesh bans someone from the Kingdom is a backdoor way of suggesting works again. You’re only held accountable for it in this lifetime if you’re not in Christ.
Those who believe that from a functional point of view men and women are equal will have as their next stop that there is no good reason why two people of the same sex can’t marry and parent. If the only reason we say people of the same sex can’t marry or parent is that there is a verse somewhere which says they cannot it means we have more work to do - to search for God’s heart behind gender. The verse which lays down a rule is of course not to be ignored - but if all we have is a verse that’s not enough - we must seek to understand God’s heart - and keep seeking until we can EVANGELISE in the area of sexuality as well as in any other.
Just because two things are functionally equal doesn’t necessitate that they are interchangeable. That premise is flawed logically. Additionally, anyone who would say that “we have more work to do” as a refutation against scripture means that they are obviously not reading scripture and aligning their life to scripture. Instead, such a person is really saying that he/she would rather align the scripture to how they think/feel. There is danger of allowing false doctrine to corrupt your thinking in this path. Also, there are many scriptures that state that homosexuality is not God’s design. In fact!...you only need to read Romans 1:21-28 to see that God Himself warns that if we form our version of God to what we think is best instead of what he really tells us through his word, then a byproduct would be that men and women in such a society would turn to homosexuality. It’s a direct effect and judgment of a society that seeks to change the attributes of God unto something they want. So now I ask you, is your goal to have a God that makes you feel all warm and tingly, or is it to know what the Bible really says? You gave a hint already by saying that “just because a verse says....we have more work to do.” That one sentence will condemn you in the eyes of God so please repent and turn away from this thinking. Read your bible and don’t try to change what it says because it is the word of the most high. If you cannot do this and instead wish to twist the scriptures then you are not a follower of Christ, but you are self deceived and in danger of deceiving others.
Lunarius You’ve missed the point of what I said. My point was not that we should ignore verses of scripture but that in order for us not to communicate empty rules - legalism - we must seek to understand the heart of God in respect of gender/sexuality. And so my point (responding to your first paragraph) is not that men and women are interchangeable - they are not! My point was that people who think they are go on to then change the rules to match that belief.
Jrive075 wrong answer-- you missed the point- where are the manly Christian church leaders today? They’re on Twitter and Instagram i guess. Gotta be in the culture right....
Cody Zanini I don’t believe I missed the point. As followers of Christ we should be those men you refer to, we don’t need to look for them. In the body of Christ we all play a role, some on Twitter and instagram as you say and some in the field. I don’t like social media at all but I do understand that God can use anything and everything for His good
@dale The one that knows Paul's Greek. The one who lets the Bible interpret itself instead of reading in their own interpretation. Knowledge of outside Biblical sources that sheds light on these verses, and understanding how some interpret these verses the way they do.
@dale About both knowing the Greek. An example. The Greek word "Arsenokoite" is interpreted as a homosexual in 1 Cor. 6:9 by MacArthur, but the word is never used, anywhere, in the Greek to mean "homosexual." Because I go to other sources that mention the word in the Greek around the time of Paul and go with those interpretations, my Greek understanding of the word is correct and not MacArthur's who puts his own interpretation of the word unlike myself.
@dale Two things. Going to outside sources is what all scholars/theologians do on both side of this debate when trying to understand certain Biblical passages and words. There aren't any need for "interpretations' with these outside sources because they're meaning is usually pretty clear-cut. The closest instance of the word 'arsenokoite' around the time of Paul is from a pagan source called the Sibylline Oracles that uses the word for an economic exploitation, We look at that and say; "O.K. that's probably what the word means." Now 'arsenokoite' is tricky because it's in a vice list with no context, BUT has word has been used by early church fathers and other texts to mean everything from pederasty to idolatry practices making it harder for us to know what interpretation Paul had in mind, but we can say the word was never used to mean a homosexual. So no sound interpreter of the word can say this means "homosexual" if the word was never used in any other instance to convey that. If they do, that's called eisegesis, putting your own interpretation in a Bible word or passage that people like MacArthur are blatantly doing with arsenokoite, inventing a modern-day interpretation of the word with having no bases anywhere other than because that's how they want the word to read. I wrote you instances of how the Bible interprets itself and the comment was deleted by this channel author (this time I'm going to copy my comment, so if they try to pull this again, I'll just re-post it... cheeky monkeys). People like MacArthur will tell you Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality, but if you look in the book of Ezekiel, It tells you why Sodom was destroyed, pride and the lack of hospitality they showed other with hospitality being such a big thing in the ancient world, the tribes of Israel went to war over it. Jesus backs this interpretation in the book of Matthew with saying the towns not showing hospitality to the apostles will suffer the same fate as Sodom. So this is the Bible interpreting itself. In this case, showing why Sodom was destroyed in other parts of the Bible. Another example. If you look at Romans 1, it says that men turned to from God into believing a lie. MacArthur will tell you that it's the lie of homosexuality, but if you go to the books of Jeremiah and Isaiah,. idols are called "lies." So now we know it's talking about idolatry and not homosexuality. The Old Testament interpreting what's stated in the New Testament.
@@inYTbio_SiteLINKs2Verses_Bruv Could you make this explanation more concise? And also, if you believe in God's supreme authority and control, would you think He would allow His scripture to be misinterpreted not just for several generations, but for the greater part of history? I would think not so. If God is all-knowing, why would he made two genders? Explicitly stating that a man leaves his family to be with his wife, as one flesh?
To those evangelicals I would say it's fine. Jesus was probably gay. He never had a wife and there's no mention of a girlfriend. If he were in a same-sex marriage I would say it's fine.
I get that the Bible says that and that we have to obey it, but why? Why did God make marriage only between a man and a woman? I feel like He could’ve been so much more creative. But oh well, guess we’ll never know
Jesus gives us the 2 greatest commandments. If same sex couples can uphold these like heterosexual couples it means other scripture has been misinterpreted. It actually strongly suggests this is the case.
Don’t flame me here but I think the argument is that Paul says alot of things and they sound consistent with God’s message but he was not there to witness Jesus - perhaps the better and more accurate recounting of what Jesus/God had to say comes from the disciples. Too much of the faith is built upon what Paul said and not the orginal 11 disciples - I am sure they talked about a lot of things with Jesus - the fact homosexuality is not in those books means it is an open question. Is that incorrect?
Yo. I guess the thing here is that Peter affirms the validity of what Paul writes, even calling it "Scripture" here: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+pet+3%3A15-16&version=NASB so it doesn't really seem to me that Peter is in disagreement with the stuff that Paul is saying in his letters
Jesus didn't talk about pedophilia either and pedophilia is definitely a sin. It doesn't really matter if Jesus talked about a subject or not - it just matters that it's in the Bible (it's all Jesus' words anyway).
Matt 19 says otherwise: Matthew 19:3-6 NKJV The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" [4] And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' [5] and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? [6] So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
@@aqqibabs me personally i dont get involved in politics, its all evil to me,but if you read any of the gospel books mathew,mark,luke and jhon. Jesus talks about it a little. I dont have my bible on me or id give you some verses. But there in there
So what if they voted for Trump? They’re just like any other Americans who exercised their right to vote. We’re all the same in God’s eyes. We’re just humans and nobody’s perfect.
Wise Virgin you can’t explain anything without referring to the text.... and yet a 5 year old could stump you on your knowledge.... we are ignorant and deserve judgment
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We have a 70 year old man at church who was set free of homosexuality after his entire life. He cried out to God and said he wanted to be holy as God is holy and our Lord delivered him. It's a beautiful testimony.
I talked to one guy who has been living in a monogamous homosexual relationship with the same partner for 45 years until his partner died for age related reasons and then this person got saved too.
I want out of mine. :/
@@aj7710 what do you want out of?
@@aj7710 Pray and continue to hope. We fight the sin, we resist the sin because we ultimately desire to be like our Lord.
@@aj7710 you need to pray and fast alot, starting immediately. (Matthew 17:21). Read and re-read Romans 1 as well.
sexual relations between a man and woman produce a healthy child
sexual relations between a man and man produce disease, infections,cancers and physical suffering.
The science is irrefutable and clear.
Not all homosexual relationships produce those things, and some heterosexual relationships do.
Nah honey that isn't science thats homophobia
I've lost friends once they found out I was Christian. Come to find out, they were "in the closet," and automatically snapped to the conclusion that because I'm Christian that I hate them. I didn't get to explain to them that I don't hate them... Just straight up RAGE cussed me out and dropped me. I didn't get a chance to explain that while I don't agree with their lifestyle, let's keep in mind they don't agree with mine, either. Didn't get to point out how intolerant *they're* being. Nope. Just RAGED at me, out of left field and left me there like 😲
Oh, but *I'm* the hateful, intolerant one. 🤷 This was all when I became a new Christian. I still don't have a problem telling people I'm Christian, but if I find out someone is homosexual, I will explain the above first, as a seque. Just because someone likes soccer but you like hockey, does it mean you hate each other? We tell them that what they're doing is wrong out of love; we don't want them to go to Hell. But they see it as hate.😞 If you tell a child not to put his or her hand on the stove because it's hot, is *that* hate? Of course not! You're trying to warn them of danger. But it's seen as hate.
Yeah its sad they don't see who's the intolerant one. I also understand that some Christians have been less than loving to everyone claiming to be perfect and better than everyone. Plus rampant programming keeps telling them Christianity is the enemy of their lifestyle which they convince them is their identity. I think their identity is much bigger than that. Keep reaching out to them, treat them with love. You will minister to them by your love and actions. Maybe one day they will be your friends again and know Jesus one day for themselves and become children of God.
@@Perfectlyradiant_ surely it's good he asked you about spriritual gifts? So you can then have a conversation about your beliefs. Why would that be from the devil?
Because when I worked there he mad fun of Jesus all the time and blasphemed him. Telling jokes about Jesus and nails. He wasn’t asking for direction. He was also unkind to another Christian that worked with me until she quit. I do still pray for him though. Sometimes people set you up because they want to argue. And sometimes it’s legit I felt that was a set up.
I mean... i kinda understand, especially after all the things on the media with christians shaming, discriminating the lgbtq community. You should check out the war of loves; an unexpected story of a gay activist discovering jesus. It will give u an idea of the whole lgbtq-christian complex relationship dynamic, amazing book!
Im sorry that happened though...
The problem is that today, people often knowingly disregard the Bible and yet claim Christianity. These people are not practicing Christians, and they need to repent for this sin.
Yes, and it's waaaaay more widespread than most people realize.
The problem today is that so called Christians support an abomination like Trump; knowing full well that even Jesus would throw up meeting him
@@walterdaems57 I'd rather support a man who tolerates Christianity instead of a woman who would cause far more damage than Obama ever did. I don't discredit his sin and stupidity- both exist. Yet the conversation becomes "a lesser of two evils."
Elisha McFarland see, this kind of retarded rhetoric based on presumption and disregard of facts is the reason why I keep repeating that every religion should be banned and make place for philosophy so people start to think instead of believing and parroting so called ‘scriptures’ and ‘holy books’ written by the most common of men.
@@walterdaems57 And in doing that, you become the communists. You'd ban religion because of your faulty grasp on what religion even is. Pathetic to see what today's atheists have turned into
“Have you no wish for others to be saved? Then you're not saved yourself, be sure of that!” ~ Charles Haddon Spurgeon
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We seek to please Man instead of God. Lord have mercy on us and grant us the grace to not move from your solid foundation no matter the pressure Amen 🙏🏼
true, homophobics do like to please man above God.
The most high God does not recognise same sex union as marriage and he wrote creation. All believers will agree with him. Those that are not really believers will agree with the prince of the powers of the air who does affirm such unions
Tell that to the dolphins and all the other animals created by god who are full blown homosexual. But that’s not the point. If a god exists he couldn’t care less, and if he exist, it’s simply none of your business.
@@walterdaems57 I may tell it to any creature with the capacity to understand. Sin affects animals too, or did you think nature meant "good" you suppose cannibalism is ok because it is seen in nature too? As for my business it is as much mine as this comment section is yours, If it is God's business you ought to know his people are often privy to it. You however speak for your god who is called the prince of the powers of the air.
INCORRUPTIBLE WORD sinners are god’s favorite, otherwise his only son died for nothing. Apart from that, get real, grow up and read a book that teaches you something
@@walterdaems57 sinners God's favorite? I suppose you got that from books other than the bible because it certainly doesn't say that in there. Even you must see that to believe that is ill advised. It is good to read and from different sources I will give you that. As for growing up well we are all growing children in the eyes of God albeit some refuse to grow and others believe they have already attained perfection.
@Grim Reefer - we're looking INSIDE, because the sprirt of Christ, who raised him from the dead - lives inside of us!
Yup. The bible is Gods book. All of it, not just the parts I agree with.
Led by the same spirit, men come to different, even contradicting, conclusions after reading the bible. But what is it?
@Grim Reefer God is big enough and powerful enough to perserve his word, stop mocking him🙏
You seem to be upset, but the fate of Protestantism is that it has at least as many opinions as it has denominations. But what is it? With regard to the christian bible the dogma is 1600 years old. The catholic church canonized the new testament by recognizing a number of scriptures that floated in the ancient world, were divinely inspired (aka the word of God) at the end of the fourth/beginning of the fifth century. With regard to the church Jesus founded (Mat 16,18) the dogma is 2000 years old. So the first 400 years of Christianity there was no new testament but the catholic church that has/had, like nowadays, the final word in faith and morals (e.g. see Acts 15). Only the catholic church can trace back its origin to the event in Mat. 16.18. The gates of hell will not prevail against her.
@Grim Reefer not believing it ..... makes you a fool ...........
@@aadschram5877 nope .... not the same spirit ..... just not led to Christ by the Father ............. and so not saved ...........
True love: a genuine outward concern for other with detailed attention and affection constrained and guided by God's word and truth.
which is why we must out reach to the lost homophobic community.
Amen Brother. The church needs to understand this.
I’ve stopped making war with sin. I’m numb to sin. I still want to change. I need help. Please pray for me. How can I change again
Prayer is a good start. I've been praying that I would be more in love with God. May your knowledge of God turn to passion. Praying Numbers 6.24-26 over you. "May the Lord bless you and protect you. May the Lord smile on you and be gracious to you. May the Lord show you His favor and give you His
peace."
Brother, don’t give up hope that God can work in our darkest spots. If you’re numb to sin, hardened in heart, even there God can save you. Isaiah 57: 16-18 and Micah 7:8-9 have been bringers of hope to me. Continue in prayer
I found myself giving into that as well and just accepting the world how it was, when before I used to argue every nonsense. I will pray for you 'cause there's a way out. God always grants us that when we repent and go back to Him. I will advice that you pray, fast, read the Word and keep yourself away or tone down your intake on worldly influences, whether that be movies, shows, music, etc. Also, friendships and family members that are liberal and take this matters lightly. Gotta change your environment. God bless you ♥
If you realize your predicament, you're not so numb beyond repentance. Your desire to change and request for prayer are possible (not certain) signs the Spirit is working in your life to draw you to Him. Respond to that call, immerse yourself in the Word and in prayers of surrender, read (and reread) the Gospel and pray God makes it real in your heart. Also, find a good Bible-centered church and talk with a pastor/elder. God bless!
jesuguru thank you
They chose to be politically correct, rather than biblically correct.
Bingo. Jesus was not politically correct. If you're politically correct, you're not following Jesus.
"Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; FOR THEY LOVED THE PRAISE OF MAN MORE THAN THE PRAISE OF GOD." (John 12:42-43) Moral cowardice fueled by not wanting to look bad in front of and/or be rejected by other people. Surrendering to the desire for fleeting human acceptance. Wanting to appear "progressive" and in step with the times in the eyes and opinions of mortal men rather than standing up for the truth of God's word. In short: PRIDE. Jesus was despised and rejected by men (lsaiah 53:3) and those who are TRULY his disciples will be as well (John 15:18-20, Matthew 5:11-12, 2Timothy 3:12). The FEAR OF MAN lays a snare but he who trusts in the Lord is safe (Proverbs 29:25). Either we fear man and compromise with sin or we fear God and depart from evil (Matthew 10:28, lsaiah 8:11-13, Proverbs 8:13).
So sad, they would rather be friends of this evil world
i care more about politics than a book
Politics brings division but the word of God brings salvation to everyone who wants it
You're not really an evangelical if you affirm same sex marriage
@Grim Reefer Yes, pure hate in our hearts for everything evil
@Grim Reefer
So how does loving what God hates and hating what God loves work?
How is that improvement?
@Grim Reefer ... how do you know God does not hate? Does He not love?
What makes you think God has no emotions?
and ur not christian if you affirm homophobia.
How about this pastor John. How about the so called Christian leaders in this nation call for prayer and fasting like the old days. And not for show, as is the habit of some. Not for publicity on social media, or so you can promote your next book. But how about we as Christians March into the battlefield, fall on our knees in the dirt in the town square, drop our faces to the dust and weep and beg for forgiveness for this nation. The nation burns because the churches have become businesses that are more interested in playing it safe than they are seeking God’s will no matter the cost. We should all be ashamed and repent.
Wow Cody, you are 100 percent correct. I am so heartbroken to see the church utterly submitted to the culture these days
That's a good call to action. Will you be willing to set an example of what you're calling for?
Dale Stevens your sarcasm is noted.... so excited for this nation to be brought to its knees... send us back to the Stone Age Lord, we have failed you
Cody, the END of this story is already written in stone and men get worse not better.
Your scenario is the opposite of Bible prophecy.
Wise Virgin you don’t know the Bible and you don’t know god .... we pretend to have understanding and we pretend to seek him .... may his judgment come quickly to purge us of false Christians and true devils
My pastor and associate pastors don’t teach this, however, my women’s study affirms a member who is gay. I had addressed this with our Bible study leader a year ago. She dismissed my comment that we are all sinners. A month ago our small group asked who were our mentors. She said a person who supported her when she came out. I sent her an email expressing my concern about how she is living, and what the Bible says about same sex relationships. She has not responded. So I had a zoom meeting with my small group leader and her husband. Her husband believes the Bible implicitly. Her husband suggested I contact the small group leader pastor. The pastor immediately contacted the Bible study leader to address this with her. The husband’s of these Bible studies believe the Bible the way it is written, but not their wives. The other pastors are trying to figure out how to approach this wisely. Please pray this issue would be handled biblically.
Yes, we ARE all sinners, but God calls us to repent from our sins and seek to root out the sin in our lives. Jesus repeatedly told people to “sin no more.”
Charles Luckey Exactly, that is what I told the small group pastor who talked to the women’s Bible study leader. It’s very sad how people are influenced by the culture and bringing this opinion into the church.
Taking 3 minutes and Reading Romas 1 should put this to bed pretty quickly. It's clear as day what the correct position is in the New Testament. If the church you attend dilly-dallies for too long on this, then, they are more interested in pleasing the world than in obeying God's word.
George I think the concern is about being sued and possibly harassed by the gay community.
@@mechelledesigns there's a legal exemption for religious institutions; they are under no legal obligation to admit anyone as a congregant and can just about exclude anyone. For example, many churches do not allow people who are living together but are unmarried to be congregants. Harassment from gays is entirely another matter - they can either stand up for the word of God and take it, or be more interested in pleasing man. I know it's not easy, and dont mean to make light of it, but, it might be time for a new church
Remember to always speak in love.
Matthew 19:4-5 reads “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh"
This addresses gender identity, gender fluidity, the trans population and homosexuality. Jesus says men are men and women are women and only acknowledges that a man should be joined with a wife. He only refers to a man and a wife because that is the only legitimate marriage/approved sexual relationship.
Exactly thank you!
Exactly. And if you look more into it, male and female can create life, but same sex couples can't. This next verse may be used in another way, but I believe it fits here too. Look at Matthew 7:19, "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." There is no good fruit in the LGBTQ community because they don't follow God's law.
why do homophobics use a verse about divorce to support marriage lol. Talk about irony! ruclips.net/video/-h1Qz4Va640/видео.html
@@yancyarrechea you agree with homophobia?
They say, we were born that way. What can we do about it? So was I. I was born a thief, adulterous, a liar. But I refuse to claim that as my identity becomes Christ's blood had set me free from all those sins. Is a sin! not identity....
@Grim Reefer I will pray for you.
Grim Reefer
Be patient with those who don’t understand the dynamic of the sin nature. She’s on the right track with identity as something outside of human desire.
If your church experience has been one of legalistic thinking you should express your distaste for legalism...don’t make it personal.
no, im gay and was born gay
1. I don't think people choose to be oppressed
2. If people choose to be gay I would of had myself a girlfriend by now
Naveh Bruggeman exactly
I call them Libertarian Christians. In my experience, if you sit down and actually talk with people like this you’ll quickly find that it’s not just a “one issue” deal. That is, if they’re lenient on same-sex marriage then they’re also fine with cohabiting before marriage (and are probably doing it) and the like. They only draw the line at “obvious” sins that they’re detached from/don’t directly affect them, like polygamy and murder.
I hold libertarian values politically, but am 100% bible believing. No exceptions. Call them worldly. Lol. God bless us all.
I just find the very hard core far right christians turn out to be satanists.
I feel like the only sin that I believe was mistranslated was same sex relations and marriage. But everything else seems to be a sin. 🤷🏾♀️
I think any Christian should be saying there's no such thing as same-sex marriage. As the video title says, it's "so-called." Affirming it goes against what's written in God's Word.
Hear God's Word please put no comment on this post for me thanks
It is ok I do not remember all the rules but I do know equality is. Vital
Depends what you mean. Civil Partnerships give equality.
We are the LOVE our Enemies opposers opposition
Can you edit that so that it's a proper sentence as you're not making any sense. The devil is our enemy, they are the mission field.
What our Lord Almighty has stated in his Word is what is stated. Our God is a God of immense love, mercy and compassion but his standards are not negotiable. Unless the church looks for God's presence and will and it's filled with power, authority, anointment and sanctification by the Holy Spirit, they will be swayed to other currents of influences and mindsets incompatible with God's principles. Without holiness, we will not see the Lord. The church MUST return to the WORD and to GOD. No more needs to be said.
true but the homophobic community does like to ignore Gods word.
"Favoring allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally" is NOT the same as "affirming same-sex marriage," in my opinion, and I dislike that they're treated as equal in this video. Do I think you _should_ marry a man if you're a man, or a woman if you're a woman? Of course I don't, and I never will. But the world's law has nothing to do with whether or not people sin. It's _God's kindness_ that leads to repentance (Romans 2:4), not illegality. The world's concept of marriage already wasn't the Biblical one to begin with, and that will never change. Same-sex romance will exist regardless. I really don't think that recognizing it from a legal standpoint changes anything, honestly.
With that being said, do I favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally? I'm more-so indifferent about it than against it for the reasons above. I will never _affirm_ same-sex romance.
It's the same thing with pornography. How on _earth_ are you going to enforce porn's illegality, especially when things as horrific as the dark web exist? It'd be prohibition all over again. Almost every male (and more females than you think) would be in prison. Do I affirm the porn industry? Not in the slightest. But I don't think that making it illegal solves the problem. Although I absolutely think traffickers should be punished by law here on earth because they pose an imminent threat to the humanity of others, throwing people in jail or denying them marital representation will not change their hearts. We're after people's _hearts_ as Christ's followers. We're not politicians.
so when did love become a sin for you?
@@pastorbri what does this mean?
@@BlueGrovyle well u disagree with 2 men or 2 women being married in love so when was love a sin?
Excellent! Thank you pastor!
you knew homophobia was a sin then?
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.
A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24.
The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9.
The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.
Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging
NICE ONE. Homophobics can not answer this.
I suggest you study Colossians 2:16-23 ☺️ I believe most of your questions are answered by Paul in these texts! And may God bless you and reveal to you His good and perfect will!
@@meekofortin14 So it doesn't tell me how much I could sell my daughter for, does it? Nor, does it tell me about owing slaves, does it? So my question stand.
@@craigd9896 Because it shows in these verses that the things of the old have passed. We’ve been given a new commandment that far exceeds the old in importance. There is no point anymore in dwelling in the old things, like all of your questions because we are now to focus on loving God and others! Jesus simplified the law! ♥️ we don’t need to burden ourselves with these questions. Instead replace it with worship and sharing the gospel!
@@meekofortin14 So they why is same sex marriage a no no, and homosexuality a sin? Ya know in Rom and Cor its all about prostitutes (both female and male), orgies, pederasty...not about homosexuality.
Thank you pastor John Piper
So, what do black evangelicals think? Curious omission.
that the Bible is the Word of God
We are one in Christ. His Kingdom is made up of every people and tongue, every nation and tribe. God is no respecter of persons, and we shouldn't be either since we are all precious souls created in His image. God bless you.
Pleading the message of the Gospel is construed mostly by unbelievers as "forcing" a religious belief upon them and they hate it.
"Dr Gerald McDermott, recently retired professor of theology at Beeson Divinity School in the U.S., describes the abandonment of male-female marriage as the most serious false teaching facing the church.
"Same-sex marriage, he says, is ‘the great creation heresy of our age on marriage and sexuality’. Marriage is central to the Christian faith, he explains, ‘because marriage is the principal metaphor in the Bible for God's relationship to his people’. Thus, ‘getting marriage wrong means getting God wrong.’
"This is why it is not something on which Christians can agree to disagree. ‘Progressives who embrace gay marriage worship another Jesus ... These are not two ways of being Christian; they are two religions worshipping different gods.’
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and homophobia is just SIN
You tell them what the bible says. It is an abomination unto the Lord. A man shall not lay with a man as one lays with a woman. Repent of sin and follow Yeshua/Jesus...You get eternal life instead of eternal Damnation...Romans Chapter one.
Amen
It's also a matter of how you tell Them. Some People are broken inside when it comes to them struggling with such Type of sexual Sin, they're overburdened with Shame, Guilt and self condemnation, hence they try hard to find and cling on to any place/idea of solace/love and peace of mind.
We would have to show them(through the word) that there is someone out there, that truly and authentically cares and loves them, and that is Jesus Christ, who comes not to condemn nor persecute, but to save and bring hope to all that are willing to receive him into their hearts.
@@andrejayc3464 yes, of course. Many people simply do not want to change and love their life style.
yes homophobia is an abomination and the old law is dead so why are u mentioning it, is this why God said what he did in 1 tim 2;8-14? More so v.12? Sounds like this might be written for you!
@@pastorbri No, all of the law is not dead, if it were you would be able to lie,cheat, steal and kill and get away with it. All of the law is not done away with... Read Romans the first chapter. Paul says, those who do such things deserve death, which is what God Almighty said himself...
Read Romans 1.
Repent of your sins, and become a follower of Christ.
Amen
@Grim Reefer Kinda confused as to your replies to comments, they don't really add up
@Grim Reefer We are merely repeating what God said Himself, read the Bible lately?
God gave them over to a reprobate mind , they exchanged the natural function of a woman to have sex with a man. God calls it an ABOMINATION! look up the word!
Hit the nail on the head. Further, Jesus referenced Sodom and Gomorrah twice during his earthly ministry
@Grim Reefer Actually the Bible is God breathed. He had men write as He spoke.The Word of God is inspired by the Holy Spirit!
At the end it all amounts to who do you love the most, God or yourself?. If you love God above all thinks (to love Jesus is to deny yourself and trust God) you will do his will but if you love yourself above all thinks you will do the thinks that make you happy (love, all types of pleasure, leisure, ect) and make you contempt. When you set your self esteem and self centered attitude/goal higher than your love for God then you make a bridge (spiritual bridge with a locked gate) between you and God. God wants to have an intimate spiritual relation with us, he wants to be 100% a part of our lives and decisions so he could help us make the right ones in all parts of our lives. We weren't made for the purpose of self exaltation and for the purpose of seeking a happy and enjoyable live on this earth.
We were made for the purpose of sharing God's kingdom , love and friendship with God. Adam was considered God's friend, he spoke to God on a one to one basis, and to worship God in spirit and in truth we must reach that relationship through Christ. If we understand that reality we will want to reconnect with God and reestablish that intimate relationship we were meant to have from the beginning of creation but to reestablish that relationship we must accept God's terms and conditions (it was man who rebelled against God and disobeyed God not the other way around).
The starting point is accepting by faith his grace through Jesus atonement in the cross. When we do that our sinful carnal nature is buried with Christ and our spiritual nature is risen with our Lord and Savior in his resurrection. That's exactly what Saint Paul meant when he was describing different sins that people do (homosexuals, effeminate, murderers, idolaters, ect) then he goes on saying that some of them were like that but by the grace of God they were transformed..
If you are struggling with homosexuality, pornography or any other sexual sin but you allow Jesus, The Holy Spirit and The Father to enter your live and break the chains that have you under submission and imprisoned you will never be alone and an outcast from God's Kingdom!. Take my word for it, I once WAS an outcast from God's kingdom but by the grace and mercy of God I am NOW counted among His children!. ALLELUIA , glory be to the ALL MIGHTY GOD AND HIS HOLY SON JESUS CHRIST WHO SET ME FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF SIN!!!!!!!!!
Homosexuality is not a sin and it's also a natural variation in sociology archeology you need to read. Please educate yourself I know when you realize you're a gay person if frightens you cuz all you've ever heard is propaganda well you need to educate yourself because that is the way to peace and acceptance and the way to get healthy. And by the way LGBT community is very religious as well we just see through our eyes. Just like black people can see racism in a way that white people cannot. 🌈😇👍
and God hates homophobia
Those who believe (myself included), please remember...
Ephesians 4:32
Colossians 3:12
Galatians 6:2
1 Peter 3:8
Matthew 7:12
Luke 10:30-35
Galatians 5:22-23
Matthew 9:36-38
1 Peter 4:10
1 John 3:17
1 Thessalonians 5:11-14
Zechariah 7:8-10
Matthew 5:9
Mark 6:34
Matthew 9:36
Psalm 86:15
Romans 12:15
Deuteronomy 16:17
Matthew 14:14
2 Corinthians 1:3-4
Psalm 112:4
Luke 22:27
Psalm 103:13
Galatians 2:10
Zechariah 7:9
Zechariah 7:10
Isaiah 30:18
Hebrews 4:15
1 Peter 5:3-5
2 Timothy 2:24
Lamentations 3:22-23
Proverbs 4:23
Colossians 3:15
Philippians 4:8
Romans 12:13
Proverbs 19:17
Zechariah 7:9-10
Galatians 6:9
Psalm 51:1
Ephesians 4:31
Luke 7:13
Psalm 111:4
Micah 6:8
James 5:11
2 Corinthians 2:7-9
Exodus 33:19
Matthew 7:1-2
James 1:27
1 Corinthians 13:3
Luke 10:33
Colossians 3:12-13
Romans 12:12
Psalm 23:6
Deuteronomy 31:6
Luke 15:20
Luke 7:13-15
Romans 14:12-13
Romans 12:17
Psalm 116:5
Matthew 20:34
1 Timothy 5:22
2 Corinthians 2:7
Romans 12:20
Luke 15:10
1 John 4:4
2 Timothy 2:25
Matthew 19:16
Proverbs 14:21
1 Corinthians 12:25-26
Psalm 119:105
Psalm 119:77
Psalm 112:5
1 John 1:9
Philippians 4:7
Matthew 6:14-15
Psalm 103:8
Hebrews 10:34 f
John 7:24
Luke 6:36
Mark 8:2
Ephesians 5:21
Ephesians 4:21-32
Matthew 18:26-27
Ephesians 4:23
2 Corinthians 1:3
Acts 4:34-35
Mark 1:41
John 16:33
Luke 10:25-37
Psalm 145:9
Jude 1:22
James 1:22
Ephesians 4:28-30
Lamentations 3:32
Romans 5:8
Psalm 145:8
2 Corinthians 1:1-24
As a Christian I would like for them to include adultery which includes people who have had sex outside of marriage in the same context homosexuality.
so we must get same sex couples to marry!
@@pastorbri I understand how you interrupted my comment. I should have been more clear.
I would be interested in hearing pastors talk wrong.
@@laurao8099 well if they support the homophobic lifestyle, they are wrong.
@@pastorbri you are rught. I just have noticed pastors really go on about homosexual realatio ships compared to just breezing over premarital sex and sex outside of marriage.
"If you don't believe in Hell, you might as well close the book". So true.
I think people know in their heart this is wrong. That’s why most of the world spends a majority of their time trying to paint real Christians as hateful. Or trying to get them to agree that their not sinning. If people really believed what they were doing was ok. They would rest on that and not care what anyone else thought. Now they’ve been given all the same rights as everyone else. And they are still complaining. Wanting everyone to bow down to their beliefs. So they feel better. As if to say if everyone says it’s right then they might believe it themselves.
I bet homophobics know they are wrong too
You tell them they are being deceived and repent! Why? Because only the truth will set them free.
We are all at fault for the state of this nation
yes, homophobics have a lot to answer for
The word "homophobia or transphobia," when broken down, roughly means being scared of Trans and Gay. Its loaded suffix suggests that it's a clinical term, just as arachnophobia refers to people with a fear of spiders. The FBI are corrupt protecting Biden who is weakening our nation fearing these hater's. No surprise to see corrupt police coward to weaken our nation by fearing these hater's.
They hate Christians by dressing up like Jesus on the cross to mock Him as evil provoking Christians to hate them. They use God's name in vain. They dress up like Satan to mock God that are stones throwed at Christian's. They hate us that wars to hate God that we do hate these stones but not any person. They take and make evil the rainbow. They provoke Christians to hate which some fall in the trap that they show their trophy that they shot up. They are so starved to hate Christians that they hit us by striking at God that hates this abomination. Sin of any kind God hates because Sin separates us from God to the torments of Satan that hates us all. All that don't warn these demon infested people are the true haters. True Christians with truth that Jesus loves to set them free indeed. Turn to God will bless our Satan hated land. Turning to Satan then curse God brings more hate to our land. Yet lost man blames God to hate him as Satan does.
No one seeks Him
The church is a group of born again believers and subject to God's laws. You do not get to change God's word. If you favour this lifestyle then you are going contrary to God's word and to live this lifestyle is to face God's wrath.
Thomas... you are wrong. Jesus taught [Mat 13] the "church" contains BOTH
many unsaved "tares" sown by Satan and relatively few saved "wheat" sown by God.
The Bible speaks of TWO churches. One is the temporal "church" on the corner and
the other is the eternal "church" which contains ONLY the saved "wheat". Therefore,
when you say "church" you should define WHICH church you are talking about.
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@@wisevirgin3405 The church are the elect of God . Not the building or a group of People meeting together in that building. The true church is the bride.
@@55tamcam .... No child... you are just WRONG (or Jesus was a liar).
As I already told you, JESUS explained the "church" consists of MANY unsaved "tares"
sown by Satan and relatively FEW saved "wheat" sown by God. So that is how JESUS
DEFINED the "church" in Matthew 13.
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As I ALSO told you, the Bible uses the word "church" to represent ONLY the saved "wheat"
in some verses. And in THOSE verses the "church" is the "Body of Christ" or the "Bride".
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You seem to be having some mental challenges being able to understand that the BIBLE
uses the word "church" in TWO different ways... whether it is talking about the TEMPORAL
"church" of BOTH "wheat and tares" or the ETERNAL "church" of ONLY saved people.
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BTW... I don't know WHY you talk about buildings... I never mentioned that.
Is that a strawman argument you like to make?
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Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven
is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept,
his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when
the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So
the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good
seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy
hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,
Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:
but gather the wheat into my barn.
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@@55tamcam ... If you care about Bible Truth then this 10 minute read is well worth it.
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@@wisevirgin3405 You are correct that Jesus knew there were people who were not saved amount those that followed him and he knew who they were. He also made it clear there was a need for repentance and he made it clear that sinners must turn from their sin. The bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin that will prevent people from entering heaven. We can not affirm this behaviour but need to try and lead them to Christ. Approving off their lifestyle is not showing them God's love.
I respond by saying that though you believe they are simply lying, they are not. They have within them the same kind of attraction that you have and just like you it is not adjustable. You are attracted to a person of the opposite sex and just as you are powerless to change that so they are too powerless. You just don't believe them. You think they are lying because in your pride you believe that others who are different from you are lying on purpose just to go against God. Why would they do that? Wouldn't it be alot easier to go with the flow and seek to do good each day just as we do with anger, pride or selfishness. Obviously they would if they could. But they can't, and you simply refuse to believe that. In fact your intense stubbornness and violent protest are such that one may begin to wonder if this is more about you and your confusion and self hate than it is about anyone else.
Further you are cruel. Asking them, forcing them would be akin to forcing a man born with only one arm to grow a new one, or else be in sin. He simply cannot no matter how loud you yell. We would consider such an act extremely cruel. So we too with those who are homosexual. I do not understand why, I just know it is. I do not understand why the Bible is in contradiction, but the Bible is in contradiction with many, many things applicable to our daily lives. I just trust God in His wisdom, knowing that the whole of the ocean could not contain that which is God, how conceited to think I could. I do know this. I worship God. I do not worship the Bible. I believe in the Father Son and the Holy Spirit not the Father Son and the Holy Bible. When I come to a passage that I do not understand or that confuses or conflicts me in any way, I do not let it affect my faith and trust in the Father. Nor do I take such conflicts out in public causing grief and strife to those who seek to follow Him. That's how I respond and how Jesus responds.
We are to Go and Tell, not go and yell.... Amen.
This is what happens when your faith is 'man' centered and not 'God' centered.
@@ecard98 thats why we have so many homophobics....its man centered.
What I am hearing now is "attending the wedding is not affirming, it's showing my love", from church leadership no less!
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well love is not a sin, did u not know?
So many churches do. Just ask them "why didn't God create two men to procreate?"
Chile...anyways so..
Even animals know better...and we are not animals.
Amen.
Ecclesiastes 3:18, Psalm 73:21-22 and Galatians 5:15 say/prove otherwise. When people choose not to be led by the Spirit of God (which unfortunately the vast majority of human beings do) all we have left are SELF-centered animal urges. They may be disguised with human intelligence but ultimately we seek our own base, animalistic instincts. Look at how we describe ourselves in this "dog eat dog world" full of predatory lenders and loan sharks. As it is written: "All we like sheep have gone astray..." (lsaiah 53:6). God says, Jesus says we are sheep.
@@josedopwell9645 yes. Our flesh is a beast.
humans are mammals. mammals are animals. therefore we are animals and many animals, like frogs, are gay. also im gay
yes, animals don't follow homophobia
"Excommunication from the church is NOT unloving". Right, and I know many gay people who experienced that 'love'. Piper also says that shunning your gay kids, "Godly Ostracism" is his sweet euphemism for it, - that is NOT unloving either. - And I know plenty of gay kids who were shunned and disowned by their 'Godly' Parents. It's Horseshit!
STAND YOUR GROUND❗ STAND ON THE BIBLE❗
We’re sinners going to hell but Jesus died so you can have eternal life. Repent and trust in Him only as your savior (not on being a good person)…
Good for you. It’s nobody else’s business.
Look at the wisdom of his words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!’
I prefer Gods words.
What?!
If you oppose my right to marry, I oppose your right to breathe. I refuse to respect homophobic religions and denominations.
I tell them they are still lost.
Really helpful video. Thank you 🙏 God Bless
marriage is defined for different sexes. No one is interfering with people living with their own sexes.
and so marriage can be for 2 men and 2 women then also, awesome.
We do not know love. We do not know forgiveness. We do not know God
Talk for your self don't talk for we, u don't no we.,
@@broelius4230 his comment is a universal truth about humans in their fallen state.
@@joshuatheo1419 bro, u dont know all mankind, just because u r not loving or forgiving does not every body is like u...jesus is love he is forgiving and he is god,..i am not darkness...
broelius I do know we... we are lost and deserving judgment.... god has abandoned this nation because of we
@@cezanini23 How can u be lost when u have Jesus, ..
Love the sinners. Hate the sin.
The Bible does NOT teach "love the sinners, hate the sin"... why do you think it does?
@@wisevirgin3405 Jesus did.
@@roderickcruz5234 .... Child, please get serious. Jesus called people fools and serpents
and children of hell and liars and hypocrites and vipers an swine and dogs and goats
and children of Satan and infidels and heathen and wolves in sheep's clothing....
which one of those names shows Jesus taught to "love" the sinner?
Please be specific if you want to be taken seriously.
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Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence,
shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you,
It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
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When Jesus said to not "cast your pearls" (preach the Gospel) to SWINE...
was He saying to "LOVE" the swine?
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Clearly you do not even understand the "milk" of the Gospel.
What hope do you have to understand the "meat"?
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@@wisevirgin3405 ,you should help the person understand then, you don't have to criticize them.
We are all together on this as Christians, we have to build each other up,& learn from our mistakes.
@@wisevirgin3405 but didn't Jesus also say love thy neighbor? Including our enemies, at least keeping them close? Not every gay person is of Satan and a follower, just lost. That's who he mention those things about that are ill--INTENTIONAL evildoers. Didn't He walk in love with all the transgressors of the world, atoning everyone's sins, including the people who put him on the cross? (Isaiah 53:12) What about Paul, although he wasn't gay, he still did every other bad deed and would seem the farthest of being saved, and yet, God chose him. You're response isn't coming out of love like the Gospels teach, but rather judgment and fear. Jesus loves YOU, a sinner. He loved you so the Gospel could reach you, which i see you adore. Although your name isn't specifically in the bible, you're technically still in the plan of salvation. Why not give the basic respect but belittle their comment? Would Christ say same to you if you said something "folly". Yes, love the sinner, hate the sin. HELP them (out of love, not just conviction or anything solely less) to overcome and see the beauty of Christ and his life and the law of God. All the best though
Rom 1:ff speaks to the natural order that Abba Yahweh has set. That order is evident with Adam and Eve. One man and one woman. I have confronted many homosexuality. It just another sin that has to be broken
Matthew 7:21-23
they are not saved..... and thats all that counts....they can beleive what they want..only the saved will go to heaven..
thats all homophobics stuffed then eh
You tell them repent and get saved!
i am saved, from men
yes I say this to all homophobics
I’m pretty sure pastor John gets divorce and remarriage wrong. That is an even bigger threat because you are in adultery if you are married to another person’s spouse. Romans 7:3. Then look at 1 Cor 6:9 and it’s not good news. Pray for all in unrepentant sin. God bless! This article will explain it as well as possible. Nypastor.com
only modern bibles slyly add the word homosexual in the list of sins in 1 cor 6;9.
Every Sin we commit, we reap the consequences of it here on earth, this is God's justice. In the end, at the white throne judgment, only God who will judge through Christ every sinners in Righteousness, whether it be administered by grace, mercy, and justice. And the Power that drives Him to do so is His Great Love. Even those He will destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire is His compassion and mercy bourne out of His Love.
Well the last part is his justice, not compassion and mercy, otherwise they would be in heaven.
@@westb1028 for those destroyed in the lake of fire is God's mercy, after serving their hellish prison time in the outer darkness, this is God's justice.
lets hope homophobics repent then
@@westb1028 have you heard of mercy killing? Is this of God or of satan?
Mercy killing is allowing the person to die to free him from the agony of pain, suffering, and torment. You do that to someone you love, and not because you dont want to incur anymore so much loses from ballooning hospital bills.
Tell them they are doing the work of the devil, and show them that from the bible in thier hand,,.Simple
How about you spend your time worrying about actual important thing's going on right now instead of being homophobic
@@navehbruggeman3266 the fear of .oo.?
@@broelius4230 Homophobia is prejudice against homosexual people
@@navehbruggeman3266 What does a person have to do to become a homosexual.??
@@broelius4230 You can't become a homosexual you are just born that way
Wow. Really well said. Thank you once again Pastor JP
The bible is the laws from God given to man. The laws of God is timeless, the laws of man can be changed and adjusted on a whim. These so called christians have capitulated to the laws of man. When you try to rationalize God you go into a never ending cycle of confusing. Have simple belief and simple faith as a child.
true, homophobics have always m ade Gods word not so timeless
Good video 👍 👍
Maybe we should tell them the truth. And save them from Hell. Which is the point of the church. We love them. But God does not like sin. He wants them to repent. Sex is a struggle. Just because we can. Does not mean we should.
yes we must tell homophobics the truth to save them from hell.
I'm right, everyone else is wrong. Thus John Piper. Love the 'so-called' same-sex marriage. Like 'so-called' honest Jews.
This is why I stopped listening to Christians. Like secularists, they pick and choose the Bible. Just obey the Bible, without picking and choosing.
Slippery slope though... doesn't the Bible say that God has appointed teachers we should learn from, and they should prove themselves by rightly dividing the word?
Tell them How much God loves them and has forgiven them.
Brendon.... what makes you think God has forgiven an unrepentant sinner?
@@wisevirgin3405 Do you think God is holding their sin against them and that He is mindful of their wrong doing?...if So, then God must be keeping record of the entire worlds wrong doing...
Most unbelievers dont repent because false Christians keeping pointing out their sin, instead of telling them the good news about their forgiveness which has the power to break chains of bondage.
@@brendonburdett7015 .... Child, do you not realize the Lake-of-Fire will be heavily populated?
Even among the Christians.... Many are called (called by the Gospel) but FEW are chosen
(chosen to be saved). In fact, MANY of those in hell are "Christians" who called Jesus "Lord".
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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Let me explain a BASIC and ESSENTIAL element of the (true) Gospel.
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The Bible explains [Mat 13:24-30] there are three types of people:
(1) The saved "wheat/sheep" in the church (the children of God) and
(2) The unsaved "tares/goats" in the church (the children of Satan) and
(3) All the lost souls OUTSIDE of the church - like Jews, Moslems, Buddhists
Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Secular Humanists, Pagans and Satanists etc, etc,
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The Bible ALSO explains there are four (4) temporal "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth
before the Lord Returns (during the Seventh Trumpet) and the resurrection occurs
at the beginning of the (5th) "Kingdom of Heaven"... specifically NAMED by Jesus.
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The (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom [the only Kingdom NOT NAMED by Jesus]
The (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS specifically NAMED [Mat 22:2]
The (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS specifically NAMED [Mat 13:24-30]
The (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS specifically NAMED [Mat 25:1]
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EACH of these "Kingdoms of Heaven" were TEMPORAL and they contained BOTH
saved people and unsaved people [Mat 7:21-23] since MANY people who call Jesus
their "Lord" will be spending eternity in torment. They were never saved
(and they demonstrated that in the "fruit" of their false doctrines).
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The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" JESUS NAMED [Mat 5 and 7 and 8 and 19] is the
final "Kingdom of Heaven". It contains all the saved from EACH of the previous four
(temporal) Kingdoms - but it contains NONE of the unsaved from the temporal Kingdoms.
It is DIFFERENT from both the Christian Kingdom and the Great Tribulation Kingdom as:
(a) it is eternal instead of temporal and (b) it contains ONLY the saved "wheat/sheep".
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READ chapter 3 for SCRIPTURES on the WHEN of any Bible passage. (theology 101)
READ chapter 5 for SCRIPTURES on the WHO of any Bible passage. (theology 102)
READ chapter 6 for SCRIPTURES on the DIFFERENCE with the one "Kingdom of God"
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www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-3
www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-5
www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-6
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@@brendonburdett7015 ... you said (and I quote)
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Do you think God is holding their sin against them and that He is mindful of their wrong doing?...
if So, then God must be keeping record of the entire worlds wrong doing...
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Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever
worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
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The Gospel declares that men must PAY for their sins... it says every idle word.
In fact, it says you will even be Judged for your THOUGHTS. Have you never read the Bible?
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BTW.... there is no "good news" until you FIRST understand that ONE SIN will result in
you PAYING for that sin with an eternity of torment. The Gospel STARTS with the result
of Adam's "original sin" and ALL of his offspring being born spiritually DEAD and destined
to eternal torment. THEN (after you understand the BAD NEWS) the Gospel also show
the Good News of Jesus being the Savior of those who were "ordained" to believe and
those who were "chosen" to be saved... and those who were "elected" to eternal life.
If you don't understand the BAD NEWS... there is no NEED for any good news.
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@@wisevirgin3405Yes yes...You speak as if I do not know because you fail to understand.
You have ears yet you do not hear.
You speak paragraphs of so called wisdom trying to correct and going down many paths, yet you fail to perceive.
You refer to Me as "child", when You are the "adult" who should start believing like a child.
Empty your cup and stop trying to defend your bad news gospel which is the very reason why so many people are going there.
This is the fault of church leadership. Started with allowing women to pastor. Downhill from there. Women, by nature (not all, but most) are more sympathetic and emotional, and welcomed in Romans 1 reprobates.
hein????
@@RDCFemmes ruclips.net/video/0U_S1USGnKE/видео.html 10 min video. Explains things pretty clearly
homophobia and sexism are the real crimes.
Within 50 years evangelucals will brag on how they fought for same sex marriage. Just as they fought against slavery and interracial marriage /s
and good on em
Great!
it is against bible so you have to repent and bring you life to normal
no, im forever gay
@@allisonl.6201 As you should
Naveh Bruggeman my replies get so stupid
homophobia is against bible so you have to repent and bring you life to normal
im gay
As you should
Naveh Bruggeman yes, welcome to homophobic youtube, it's quite stupid but funny
lovelover as he should, god don't discriminate
lovelover im happy that you enjoy your religion but no thanks. im atheist and dont have to "heal" from being gay if thats what you mean.
lovelover i understand that first part and okay thats fine. i was just assuming bc of how many homophobes exist on videos like these. have a great day though
They need one of two things: #1-True SALVATION. #1-REPENTANCE and right doctrine!
and a therapist for their homophobia
What do you say to evangelicos that affirm same-sex marriage, nothing.
🔥
These Evangelicals are of the UCC United Church of Christ which claim to be Evangelical so its a false negative.
AND HOMOPHOBIA IS JUST SIN
Great answer Pastor Piper!
My two cents:
You show practical, tangible love to homosexuals just like Jesus showed kindness to you "while you where yet a unredeemed sinner." At the same time, you warn them of the coming judgement in a heartfelt way and share the gospel message with precision and passion as the LORD gives you the opportunity. Above all, you stand on the Word of God no matter the cost. Lastly, we should keep in mind that everyone is born in sin and we all choose to some degree which sin we will serve. One man may bow to homosexuality while another bows to fornincation. Either way we all must turn from sin and bow to Jesus. I have a blood-brother who is bound to homosexuality and the LORD has shown me through His Word how to repond to him. May the LORD guide us all.
“Those who do such things will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” That contradicts the Gospel of Grace (Faith in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection causes your sins to be blotted our from the record). Also, the Bible calls lying lips and a proud look “abominations,” just like homosexuality. (That same verse continues: your self-righteousness is as filthy rags.) Furthermore, 2 Corinthians 12:7 is the verse in which Paul explains what it’s like to have sinful tendencies that can’t be overcome. In fact, those tendencies are used to knock him down a peg when he is exalted above his measure. Don’t forget that we are all sinners and we are covered by Grace... so rest in him. There is a difference between personal weaknesses and joyfully, openly defying GOD. Don’t condemn yourselves by condemning homosexuals, whom have just as much access to Grace as you. Only non-believing homosexuals (like every other sin group) will be judged like that.
I’m not promoting homosexuality. It’s not on par with heterosexual marriage. It’s a mercy because the simple fact is some people can’t help it. Not affording this sort of mercy can cause other vices to creep up in a state of stress. The Apostle Paul tells us both: keep the Commandments and that we’re incapable of keeping them. So, use GOD’s standards as a reference point while structuring civil laws around what people can be reasonably expected to rein-in.
GOD did tell us His standards. But He also tells us that none of us can live up to them. We have a limited ability to choose right and wrong in our fallen flesh. (By the way, none of our flesh enters the Kingdom of Heaven. We get glorified bodies, which correct our current corruptions! You didn’t take that into account.) When GOD puts it on your heart to change something, change it. But, if He doesn’t take a sinful tendency away from an individual, realize that this happens all the time and for EVERY sinful tendency. Do not hypocritically condemn one another. Preach the Gospel of Grace (not works), and leave the rest up to GOD. Don’t promote homosexuality, but give mercies on par with the many mercies you are given for lying, accusing, condemning others, and so forth.
First of, the Bible tells us that is a sin, and an abomination before the sight of God. That is very clear. 2nd, sanctification is a lifetime process, God will sanctify us and get rid of every thing/sin that defiles us. 3rd if you are truly a christian you will never tolerate what nailed Jesus Christ on the cross (sin). So yes preach the True Gospel, preach grace but preach sin as well, cause we should be informed of what is wrong before God. Remember hell is as real as heaven. It is love to tell people that eternal damnation awaits them if they continue practicing homosexuality& homosexual acts.
Zini Narciso - That’s not my particular vice. But, I have a grasp on other vices. Keep in mind that the Bible considers lying lips and a proud look to also be abominations... same word as sexual immorality. I think my place in the Body of Christ is to remind others of mercy and forgiveness. Self-righteousness (which the Bible says is as filthy rags) can be easily hidden in one’s pursuit of Christ... like a blind spot. I’m not chucking out any standards or calling evil good. All I’m doing is making sure mercy isn’t thrown out over simplistic, technocratic rule assertions. May GOD bless you and your family.
@@brandonburum8279 I agre with you mercy should not be forgotten but informing people most especially christians of what sin is, how evil sin is, and what are sins? are of the same impotance as well. Thank you. God bless you also and may you grow more in your relationship with God.
Zini Narciso - OK. But, I just want to make sure that people know that none of us are righteous. When we come to faith in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins, burial, and resurrection, His righteousness is credited to us. We don’t earn righteousness any other way. That truth gets lost along the way.
Zini Narciso - I was with you for those first couple sentences. The reason homosexuality doesn’t continue in the Kingdom is that we’re given glorified bodies: a different flesh that isn’t of a sinful nature. Saying that a believer practicing homosexuality in our current flesh bans someone from the Kingdom is a backdoor way of suggesting works again. You’re only held accountable for it in this lifetime if you’re not in Christ.
What do you say to Evangelicals support Donald Trump???!!!!
why!!!!!
VERY GOOD
Those who believe that from a functional point of view men and women are equal will have as their next stop that there is no good reason why two people of the same sex can’t marry and parent.
If the only reason we say people of the same sex can’t marry or parent is that there is a verse somewhere which says they cannot it means we have more work to do - to search for God’s heart behind gender. The verse which lays down a rule is of course not to be ignored - but if all we have is a verse that’s not enough - we must seek to understand God’s heart - and keep seeking until we can EVANGELISE in the area of sexuality as well as in any other.
Just because two things are functionally equal doesn’t necessitate that they are interchangeable. That premise is flawed logically.
Additionally, anyone who would say that “we have more work to do” as a refutation against scripture means that they are obviously not reading scripture and aligning their life to scripture. Instead, such a person is really saying that he/she would rather align the scripture to how they think/feel. There is danger of allowing false doctrine to corrupt your thinking in this path.
Also, there are many scriptures that state that homosexuality is not God’s design. In fact!...you only need to read Romans 1:21-28 to see that God
Himself warns that if we form our version of God to what we think is best instead of what he really tells us through his word, then a byproduct would be that men and women in such a society would turn to homosexuality. It’s a direct effect and judgment of a society that seeks to change the attributes of God unto something they want.
So now I ask you, is your goal to have a God that makes you feel all warm and tingly, or is it to know what the Bible really says? You gave a hint already by saying that “just because a verse says....we have more work to do.” That one sentence will condemn you in the eyes of God so please repent and turn away from this thinking. Read your bible and don’t try to change what it says because it is the word of the most high. If you cannot do this and instead wish to twist the scriptures then you are not a follower of Christ, but you are self deceived and in danger of deceiving others.
Lunarius
You’ve missed the point of what I said. My point was not that we should ignore verses of scripture but that in order for us not to communicate empty rules - legalism - we must seek to understand the heart of God in respect of gender/sexuality.
And so my point (responding to your first paragraph) is not that men and women are interchangeable - they are not! My point was that people who think they are go on to then change the rules to match that belief.
@Grim Reefer ... you NEVER heard of Sodom? That's strange.
Amen
amen, homophobia is a sin?
@@pastorbri and who is saying that exactly?
@@JayBando213 Gods word
Where are the real men? Where are the Christian prayer warriors of old?
Don’t ask for them, be them
Jrive075 wrong answer-- you missed the point- where are the manly Christian church leaders today? They’re on Twitter and Instagram i guess. Gotta be in the culture right....
Valpurgis Karosnikov so excited for God to purge this pagan nation of the false Christians who preach a false gospel
Cody, when you read the Bible does it say that men get more evil or less evil?
That is the answer to your question.
Cody Zanini I don’t believe I missed the point. As followers of Christ we should be those men you refer to, we don’t need to look for them. In the body of Christ we all play a role, some on Twitter and instagram as you say and some in the field. I don’t like social media at all but I do understand that God can use anything and everything for His good
John is bearing false witness to the testimony of those who are affirming and to the very Word of God.
@dale Obviously, but I will gladly put my apologetics against his and see who's right.
@dale The one that knows Paul's Greek. The one who lets the Bible interpret itself instead of reading in their own interpretation. Knowledge of outside Biblical sources that sheds light on these verses, and understanding how some interpret these verses the way they do.
@dale About both knowing the Greek.
An example. The Greek word "Arsenokoite" is interpreted as a homosexual in 1 Cor. 6:9 by MacArthur, but the word is never used, anywhere, in the Greek to mean "homosexual." Because I go to other sources that mention the word in the Greek around the time of Paul and go with those interpretations, my Greek understanding of the word is correct and not MacArthur's who puts his own interpretation of the word unlike myself.
@dale Two things.
Going to outside sources is what all scholars/theologians do on both side of this debate when trying to understand certain Biblical passages and words. There aren't any need for "interpretations' with these outside sources because they're meaning is usually pretty clear-cut. The closest instance of the word 'arsenokoite' around the time of Paul is from a pagan source called the Sibylline Oracles that uses the word for an economic exploitation, We look at that and say; "O.K. that's probably what the word means." Now 'arsenokoite' is tricky because it's in a vice list with no context, BUT has word has been used by early church fathers and other texts to mean everything from pederasty to idolatry practices making it harder for us to know what interpretation Paul had in mind, but we can say the word was never used to mean a homosexual. So no sound interpreter of the word can say this means "homosexual" if the word was never used in any other instance to convey that. If they do, that's called eisegesis, putting your own interpretation in a Bible word or passage that people like MacArthur are blatantly doing with arsenokoite, inventing a modern-day interpretation of the word with having no bases anywhere other than because that's how they want the word to read.
I wrote you instances of how the Bible interprets itself and the comment was deleted by this channel author (this time I'm going to copy my comment, so if they try to pull this again, I'll just re-post it... cheeky monkeys).
People like MacArthur will tell you Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality, but if you look in the book of Ezekiel, It tells you why Sodom was destroyed, pride and the lack of hospitality they showed other with hospitality being such a big thing in the ancient world, the tribes of Israel went to war over it. Jesus backs this interpretation in the book of Matthew with saying the towns not showing hospitality to the apostles will suffer the same fate as Sodom. So this is the Bible interpreting itself. In this case, showing why Sodom was destroyed in other parts of the Bible.
Another example.
If you look at Romans 1, it says that men turned to from God into believing a lie. MacArthur will tell you that it's the lie of homosexuality, but if you go to the books of Jeremiah and Isaiah,. idols are called "lies." So now we know it's talking about idolatry and not homosexuality. The Old Testament interpreting what's stated in the New Testament.
@@inYTbio_SiteLINKs2Verses_Bruv Could you make this explanation more concise? And also, if you believe in God's supreme authority and control, would you think He would allow His scripture to be misinterpreted not just for several generations, but for the greater part of history? I would think not so. If God is all-knowing, why would he made two genders? Explicitly stating that a man leaves his family to be with his wife, as one flesh?
To those evangelicals I would say it's fine. Jesus was probably gay. He never had a wife and there's no mention of a girlfriend. If he were in a same-sex marriage I would say it's fine.
Boring
AMEN! So tired of Christians obsessing over gays and abortion..... they have thoroughly beaten that horse to death
I get that the Bible says that and that we have to obey it, but why? Why did God make marriage only between a man and a woman? I feel like He could’ve been so much more creative. But oh well, guess we’ll never know
God did not make marriage for just a man and a woman, in the OT he said marriage was also 1 man and many wives.
Jesus gives us the 2 greatest commandments. If same sex couples can uphold these like heterosexual couples it means other scripture has been misinterpreted. It actually strongly suggests this is the case.
Good for them. Next question.
Stop calling yourself Christians
if only homophobics would stop.
@@pastorbri what exactly does that mean?
@@gaildrake5940 homophobia is a sin, thought that was obvious?
@@pastorbri are you really a pastor
@@gaildrake5940 are you really a christian?
Don’t flame me here but I think the argument is that Paul says alot of things and they sound consistent with God’s message but he was not there to witness Jesus - perhaps the better and more accurate recounting of what Jesus/God had to say comes from the disciples. Too much of the faith is built upon what Paul said and not the orginal 11 disciples - I am sure they talked about a lot of things with Jesus - the fact homosexuality is not in those books means it is an open question. Is that incorrect?
Yo. I guess the thing here is that Peter affirms the validity of what Paul writes, even calling it "Scripture" here:
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+pet+3%3A15-16&version=NASB
so it doesn't really seem to me that Peter is in disagreement with the stuff that Paul is saying in his letters
Jesus didn't talk about pedophilia either and pedophilia is definitely a sin. It doesn't really matter if Jesus talked about a subject or not - it just matters that it's in the Bible (it's all Jesus' words anyway).
Matt 19 says otherwise:
Matthew 19:3-6 NKJV
The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" [4] And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' [5] and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? [6] So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
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Billy Graham waffled on God!
Can you do one on "what do you say to evangelicals that voted for Trump and are silent or support his racism?"
Great video by the way.
Not American but am a Christian. Genuinely want to know what is unbiblical about voting for Trump? Would Hillary be biblical?
@@aqqibabs Ask the preacher man
@@aqqibabs me personally i dont get involved in politics, its all evil to me,but if you read any of the gospel books mathew,mark,luke and jhon. Jesus talks about it a little. I dont have my bible on me or id give you some verses. But there in there
So what if they voted for Trump? They’re just like any other Americans who exercised their right to vote. We’re all the same in God’s eyes. We’re just humans and nobody’s perfect.
@@vanessapangkey8319 Right. Exercise a right... Now where have I heard others say they are exercising a right?
No one knows Him
That is NOT what the Bible says of those who are "indwelt" by Him
Wise Virgin you can’t explain anything without referring to the text.... and yet a 5 year old could stump you on your knowledge.... we are ignorant and deserve judgment
Wise Virgin save your caps lock emphasis for the simple minded