@James Brashears more than once, it's stated that the heart is treacherous. Leading with the flesh only takes you away from God and that is why we as Christians are told to lead with the spirit. We all have feelings and desires but that doesn't mean we should act on them. Shalom brother.
@May I halik you?: Insults? No, you cloud your own stupidity. You've proven nothing. You're argument begins with a foregone conclusion. You have no truth. You're guessing what 2000 year old fables from the middle east mean.
@Boom Bam: Really? Does your precious Bible predict 534,000 innocent people to suffer horribly and die from Covid 19. While an Almighty Powerful Loving God Silently & Invisibly stands by & watches? I predict more will die, so am I a God? Like .... so what man.... Get Real.
@@eric-qs8ii doesn't really matter. I'll know how he or she thinks even if I talk first because of this video. I can see where they come from and understand what they're saying.
Every one of my siblings and I were unable to form meaningful relationships due to watching the godly, toxic marriage of our parents who only stayed together because "god said so". Took years of therapy for us to learn what basic respect was in a relationship. Turned out we werent the only family in this situation. It was the common experience of the majority of kids we grew up with in our fundamentalist christian community that was unsurprisingly riddled with domestic violence and child abuse.
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 i take it you didnt watch the video. Otherwise you would know why Jordi addressed what was discussed in the video....which wasn't just homosexuality.
Correct. Same reason they dont preach that divorce is not allowed by God bc only death breaks the marital Covenant. AND, that remarriage after a divorce while the original Covenant spouse is still alive puts one into CONSTANT ADULTERY.
..and or they in it themselves. It's all fornication and adultery (some cases). The church will continue to struggle to have conviction and deliverance because we not addressing the real sexual issues on a spiritual level. Flee fornication is easy to say but can we expound on why. Amen Luie
@yellowleaf Ohhhh. Thank you for sharing that. I find myself getting caught up in the wordly ---can I say "crap?" Like you said, "built on sand." I appreciate your post. I hope you have a good, positive, productive day.
@yellowleaf I respect your search for truth and your study of the Bible. I am intrigued by the people who so adamantly refuse to believe. Like you, I pray for them, and hope they find some peace somewhere. I In your opinion, Yellowleaf, what makes some atheists so angry? Some atheists don't seem to even think about God and don't seem to care. It is the angry, vicious atheists who intrigue me. Why are they so angry about something in which they don't believe?
You're clearly a bigot if you can't respect that these people have a different viewpoint than you do. A lot of people think there is something spiritually and/or morally wrong with homosexuality.
To the people who think that being gay is a choice, does that mean when you were young you could have chosen to be gay if you wanted to? If you answer no to that question, why would you think that someone else could choose to be gay? I honestly don't know why I am gay, but I do know that it had nothing to do with how my parents raised me. I was nowhere near a "momma's boy". I was actually much closer to my dad and spent more time with him than I did with my mom, and he treated me just like any "normaI" dad would treat his son. I was raised exactly the same way and in the same house as my older brother, who turned out to be straight. And I was never sexually abused when I was a kid. I never even knew anyone who was gay until I was 17. Nothing about my childhood was abnormal or out of the ordinary. If it were as easy as just being a choice, I would have chosen to be straight a long time ago, because the discrimination and hatred that many gay people face has tormented me for most of my life. Because of that, I still haven't accepted myself for being gay, unfortunately, from the time I knew that I was different when I was 8-9 years old, all the way up until today. I thank God that there are caring people out there who support and understand the LGBTQ community.
@Viktor Petrov Sweetie, you're that troll using 4-5 burner troll accounts because you're embarrassed by your inability to defend your arguments. Everything you're prattling on about, you've already lost numerous times over, and you just keep repeating it. Why are you so obsessed with the attention of gay men, troll? Hmmm? Is it internalized homophobia because you're gay and this is the only way you can interact with gay men?
@Viktor Petrov so are you saying that if you wanted to, you could choose to turn gay and be sexually attracted to other men? Do you think you could ever be tempted and enjoy having sex with men, and have the desire for that kind of relationship? If you think that you could never have the desire to be with a man and enjoy having sex with men, that means that your sexual orientation probably isn't something you could ever change, no matter how badly you wanted to be gay. What do you think causes homosexuality? Like I said before in my comment above, I don't know what the cause was in my case. I have never really believed the argument that gay people are "born that way", but I am sure that your sexual orientation isn't fluid, and that it will never be possible for me to find women sexually attractive, even though I would give my right arm to be straight.
@Viktor Petrov "It's a choice. All sin is a choice." 1. There is no "sin". 2. Your silly list of rules has little to do with real morality. 3. Who you are attracted to and the strength of that attraction is the result of very complex biology and physiology and is NOT a choice of the individual.
As long as there’s been human history, people have raised children within groups and practiced polygamy. Claiming humans have always been monogamous between one man and one woman is completely false. Colonialism & Patriarchy wants to believe that’s true, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
As of June 2020, Voddie has stood firm on the word of God and has not conformed to this world, but has stood firm on the inerrancy and sufficiency of the word of God for every real world event and decisions.
Or when it approves of slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, pillory, terrorism, misogyny, and discrimination against handicapped people. Yeah, it's not a good "moral" guide at all.
Mark 9:42 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.
@@virtuoussoulhealer3644 if homoxesuality was wrong, you'd expect it say "men don't lie with men" and "women don't lie with women". it says neither. the hebrew is unclear but the conventional rendering says not to use a man or boy like a woman in bed. under patriarchy, women were considered inferior, so a male taking a woman's role was denigrating. regardless, haven't you heard we no longer follow the OT law? the news went out 2K years ago, I'm surprised you haven't heard.
There is no such thing as them and us. We are all sinners. The only thing saves us is blood of Jesus, covers all sinns. My God is strong fortress, I am safe in him.
@saint of jesus Christ a convenient way to dodge guilt and resist personal growth which is why christianity in its fundamental form is psychologically detrimental.
The question isn’t about marriage though, it’s “How can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone” as a gay atheist who wouldn’t get married, you’ve just skimmed over the whole question by banging in about same sex marriage rather than the sexuality itself.
You are denying yourself a happy life, in love with somebody else, having a family, children to raise..because your faith makes you think you’re an abomination - you are not. You are loved and would still be loved for accepting yourself. You are enough, even without somebody else telling you that you are.
@@BlapwardKrunkle you don’t need a partner nor children to have a happiness. If they don’t want that, then they don’t have to. Not everyone desires a family or romantic relationships.
@@christworks3458 well of course if somebody doesn’t want that they shouldn’t feel pressured to, but neither should they be pressured not to do something they do want to do.
As a gay cancer patient, I have to ask what the hell makes Christian think they have the right to force gay people to live and die alone? I ask this because people with partners in cancer wards are more likely to survive than those who don’t have partners.
Whut? "Children have always been brought forth in monogamous marriage"? You should try reading the Bible. Abraham had one wife (his half-sister, by the way) and at least one concubine. We don't _know_ if Isaac had any concubines, but there's nothing to indicate that he would have thought it was wrong. Jacob had _two_ wives and _two_ concubines. Mosaic Law - God's Perfect Law - allows for marrying more than one woman. Gideon, a champion of Israel, had two wives. King David, who was "a man after the God's own heart" had _eight_ wives. Polygamy and concubinates are _everywhere_ in the Old Testament.
Those families from the OT that you mentioned had a lot of conflict and problems in the home. Hence why God said that we should only have one man and one wife.
@@efearioga5117 Where did he say that again? Not in the Mosaic Law. Also, God really shouldn't have to learn that multiple wives lead to problems. He should already know.
@@efearioga5117 There is conflict between monogamous couples as well: Adam and Eve, Isaac and Rebecca, Samson and Delilah. There is conflict in all relationships. Just because there is conflict means it's a sin?
In this life, there is truth in alot of things but God is the Ultimate Truth. Let those who are without God be as liars because they Deny The Ultimate Truth. Because if you Deny the Truth, Your a liar. When we tell the Truth, We uphold it and Strengthen its Hold.
@@lionbolt2136 No, if you deny the truth, you are either ignorant or delusional. Which creationists often are. What's the ultimate truth? How do you know it is ultimate?
@@katamas832 Truth is not a concept, is a person, just like love is not a concept, but a person. You don’t know Who Truth and Love is, then what you think you know doesn’t matter.
AcerMaple72 "Why should my religion dictate the lives of others?" Go tell that to the Right-Wing Conservatards. They want their interpretation of Christianity to dictate the lives of others and take away their first amendment rights (especially freedom of speech, freedom of choice, separation of "church" and state, freedom of and from religion, etc). I'm a Center-Left Christian, and I can tell you this, If the Right-Wing Conservatards had their way, society would regress back into the Dark Ages, and everyone except for the Right-Wing Fundies (non-Christian religious people, Atheists, progressive Christians, etc) would be jailed, beaten, tortured, killed, burned at the stake for questioning, disagreeing with, or rejecting Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology. They already started bringing fascism to America, taking people's basic rights away, and attempting to dictate the lives of others like banning sex education, birth control, safe and legal life-saving abortion for women who were abused by men and little girls who were abused by child predators, gay marriage, gay adoption, interracial marriage, medically assisted suicide for people who are in excruciating pain all the time and have very little to no quality of life, etc, etc. Your beliefs and you values are between you and Jesus/God, it's none of the Conservatives' business, so when they try to lecture you or try to force you to live by their messed up Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology, tell them to fuck off, that's what I do.
@@dove6069 No, you are wrong. There are thousands of religions and all members of each faith truly believe in their religion. Our society will fall apart if we do not separate church from state. It is unfair and dangerous.
Though i havent been able to accept homosexuality completely but if we go by the logic that marriage should be accredited by Society, there was a time when interracial marriage too was considered to be a sin.
Also, marriage wasn’t about love in ancient days; it was about biological heirs and economics. Marriage has changed and why is it that only Christians get to decide what it is and isn’t?
@Steve Roberts negative sir. God did not make a race of homosexuals. He created woman to be his helper as it was not good for man to be alone. Spin scripture any way you like, it is incorrect. I suppose you also believe in evolution as well? You cannot justify homosexuality, no matter how much you twist scripture, 2 men cannot created a child. Never have never will.
As a atheist I cat help but laugh.... I don't have a shit if someone if gay or straight.. I'm not s pervert thinking of someone's sexual orientation all the time
When the question is asked; "How can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn't harm anybody?" the argument is over. Morality is all about what helps or harms people. Homosexuality does not harm anyone. Therefore, there is nothing immoral about homosexuality.
That’s because Christians aren’t concern about it harming anybody. They are concern about them gambling with their souls when they receive the final judgment from God
@@heseesyou582 Wrong. Christians are simply concerned with asserting the primacy of their particular myth over all beings. It's a problem among the adherents of the Abrahamic myths. They all seem to think everyone else must follow it just as they do.
@@GavinAlexander. if you heard that Christians are suppose to make people believe in God, you heard wrong. Christians mission is to spread the gospel around the world. Christians will tell people what they are doing is wrong and a sin in Gods eyes. If the person or people don’t listen, then that’s their choice, God doesn’t force anybody to follow him so Christians should do the same.
@@heseesyou582 Your attempt at gaslighting is cute. This isn't about what I've heard. It's about the history of those who follow the Abrahamic myths. A history of a collection of people who, as Christopher Hitchens put it so well, all claim to have this belief that will bring about peace and happiness, yet cannot seem to be peaceful or happy unless everyone else believes it exactly as they do. If you believe this myth, it governs YOUR life alone. End of story.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead '"
I have a question for the religious people. Sexuality doesn't change as things like conversion therapy don't work and actually severely harm the people who undergo it. This would imply that sexuality is a part of a person, and they were born with or naturally developed their sexuality. Why would God purposefully put someone on this Earth who is gay or lesbian if it's wrong? Why would He set someone up for failure?
@@mariemzobiri5793 So this all loving God wants people to give up happiness and the potential for a fulfilling, loving relationship for him? Why? To assert some weird sense of servitude and dominance? That's one thing I'll never understand. Some people phrase God as a loving father-figure that they have a personal relationship with and others phrase him as a dictator. Do you want to be ruled by someone who has a personal relationship with you or a dictator?
@@mariemzobiri5793 Why does this benevolent God torture His creation in hell, or if you don't believe in hell, deny them happiness for something as simple as loving another person. Isn't the most integral teaching of most religions loving the people around you?
Child marriage is already legal in all but 4 states in the U.S. the attempt to outlaw it is opposed by religious groups, mainly Christian. So the people in this video will be addressing that right? Will we see videos about the dangers of child marriage?
@@gryph346 see but the Bible doesn’t condemn it so is it okay ?? even tho we know morally it’s wrong. That’s why it’s belived a lot of homosexual verses are about pedophilla.
@@marquicetaylor3941 You need a book that plenty of people myself included do not believe in to teach you about morality ? If you wanna talk about the bible, Mary was suposedly between 13 and 14 years old when she gave birth to jesus. She would've been married or engaged to Joseph, which would make him 19 or 20. So the god from the bible literally choose a child bride. Ew. And you want morals out of this ?
@Brazilian Goddess lol ridiculous. You might as well say "you worship a literal lamb, because Jesus is called a lamb many times" twisting words and scripture doesn't do you any favours
@Brazilian Goddess that's King David talking about after an invasion, and he is angry. That is not a command from God. He is speaking out of what happened to the Israelites and that they would feel the same pain. Honestly, you might as well say "the bible says Jesus is a lamb, therefore Christians worship animals". I doubt you think Christians really believe God tells them to do that. I can't change your hatred of the way the bible puts things, such as the flood for instance. But I pray you do seek after the truth
@Brazilian Goddess exactly. Npw you understand, to just say 'impossible' to everything. the Bible also says God made the world in 7 days, that's impossible!! Says God loves you, impossible!
@Hineni John3:16 Let her/him be - he/she is trying to create a debate where there is none - nobody is as blind as those who do not want to see. He/She is just a sign of society so dont judge ignorance.
Since when have we begun to define our walk with Christ without sacrifice. The truth is it cost all of us to follow Jesus. How then do we define love without sacrifice. Love costs. Just read “the Book.” No one is exempt. Everyone has a choice, obey or disobey. But if you love HIM more than you “love” self, you would make the sacrifice.
I believe you may be mistaking what we believe as followers of Christ. We seek all to follow HIM. Perhaps you knew that bug wanted me to express my for your taunting. In any case, I’ll oblige. We believe that there is only ONE way. So, no my comment does not include other faith systems, since we don’t recognize their eternal value. You may view this as arrogant, we accept this as Truth.
@@normantaylor1711 I have specifically asked thousands of Christians if Buddhist go to hell simply for not converting, and all but 3 have answered yes, and then tried to justify that evil. That is more than arrogance, that's willful immorality.
@@normantaylor1711 Here is an example of what I'm talking about. lion fish 5 minutes ago @Spurious Effect Buddhist do not go to Heaven, those non believers go to hell. That's the truth. Non believers can exercise their free will whether to accept Christ or not.
That's a pretty cavalier statement to make FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Assuming you're straight could you simply deny your heterosexuality for your entire life because you believe "a god" demanded it. Don't bother answering, because it is EASY to make this proclamation when you'll never have to put it to the test. This is why it's so fundamentally offensive to hear all these hetero christians flippantly tell gay people to "just deny" who they are while simultaneously NEVER having to live up to the same standards they set.
Great point, not every gay person has sex, i know many who dont. But they can still be attracted to others of the same sex emotionally, spiritually, intellectually...even have close relationships (without sex). Also, being LGBT you join movement, with its own cultural distinctions...shared interests and activities such as: music, fashion, games, comedy, etc. I see it has still very young in its development, but as the years go im sure it will evolve into something else. So yes... homosexuality, pansexual, bisexual, etc. can simply be love expressions toward any gender, with or without sex. I think religious judeo-christians dont understand all the nuances because they mainly perceive same sex attraction has 2 naked guys/girls in bed together...which honestly is the most shallow way to look at any relationship.
You didn’t answer the question that you yourselves asked, “Can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone?” I wasted 10 minutes of three guys rambling about marriage and divorce without even actually tackling homosexuality and it’s problems. Maybe that’s because there are no problems and none of you can give real answers without consulting the Bible
Yeah. They presented same sex marriage as a slippery slope to a 50 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl, completely ignoring the issue of whether there is harm in such relationships, as there obviously is in such an unbalanced relationship as the latter.
And looking again, "Can homosexuality be wrong ...", wasn't even the question they asked. It was " *How* can homosexuality be wrong...". It is clear that they started with the conclusion that it is wrong, and are desperately trying to find reasons.
@@briantitchener4829 If that's what they thought, then they should have just said that and saved ten minutes. Of course, it wouldn't have convinced anybody who didn't already believe it, any more than it does when you say it.
GAY RIGHTS Also like stfu this comment section is anoyingggggg, Like im gonna go marry a man, and you all can go cry abt it. Also hello fellow gays in the comments, you aren't alone!
lol those type of people are funny they try to find a hole so they can stimulate themselves it's like if a earhole was large enough to fit their members in they would probably go for that if it was safe. goofy people wanting that interaction 👨💻🐒 its low key sad
@@explodingheart2824 gay people are not different from straight people. We humans found out that we love pleasure, and we're civilized enough to know how to pleasure ourselves without hurting anyone. Your God or your book don't dictate what is moral and what is not, neither does nature.
I'm 41 and so far in my life my church first stopped preaching about divorce, then about premarital sex and know gay sex is acceptable. In one generation. My family thinks I'm overreacting and judgmental because I left that denomination. Sorry, I struggle with sin enough without the church telling me sin is just made up by the patriarchy trying to control me.
If that’s what was being taught, then good on you. There is one church, one body, one faith, one baptism, and one Lord. The truth is, anyone teaching that is not in the church, which is by definition the assembly of true believers.
@Gary Richardson People often attempt to discredit that verse because it’s in the Law of Moses. However, it is also written: “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” ~Romans 1:26-27 and also: “Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” ~1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Plus, marriage is taught as between a man and a woman, with no connection to the Law of Moses mind you but how God created the established order from the very beginning, even since the days of Adam and Eve
Indeed, just like interracial marriages. Its only been 55 years that “good old fashioned, Southern, Christian practice” of persecuting interracial couples was stopped by the Supreme Court. Up to that point many Southerners believed interracial marriages as “unnatural”. Human rights.
Christian really have a problem with keeping their religion to themselves. Same sex relationships has been going on throughout history, you can’t change nor deny that.
Same sex is immorality just as much as the use of porn is , it's a abuse of free will revolving around sex .. let me know if the gay sex leads to joy and life after years of being in it , it leads to disease, heartache and even death
1 Corinthians 2:14 “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” The natural man is unregenerate, and his mind is still darkened by enslavement to sin. It’s the illuminating work of the Holy Spirit that brings saving faith and repentance.
I don't think it would be fair to me as a woman to have a man who has homosexual desires marry me and deny those desires because he will always have them and I want to be with a man who sexually desires me, not one who is trying to please God by 'doing the right thing' and being with me.
BVale just because someone does a video on RUclips doesn't mean they can't lie.......i know plenty who did change and now are married with kids so it's possible because god is possible.....god knows peoples heart....and if you really want to be righteous or not.........he sees a soul that wants to be clean and free from sin...and he won't take it those demons away...?...i doubt that....and remember anybody who says jesus can't save that's the spirit of the antichrist
BVale a therapy session isn't gonna change that.....that was doomed from the start......only jesus can change a person.....abd that comes from a personal relationship with him....and the holy spirit
@@timothymccray6034 you think that the people going to Exodus International didn't ask Jesus to change their hearts? You are so quick to dismiss it as a 'therapy session' When People that went there desperately desired Jesus to change their hearts so much that they begged for help and believed it would happen and here you are discounting that as though its nothing.
Here's a tip for you, (free, at no charge) homosexuality isn't wrong. Now with that out of the way you can get on with living your life and let others live theirs.
@@stopcensorship7705, _"there are well documented risks associated to such lifestyle."_ If you don't like the risks, then don't live the lifestyle (whatever "the lifestyle" is supposed to mean). No one is trying to force you to live such a lifestyle, are they?
@Darth Sidious, writes _"It [homosexuality] is wrong"_ If you feel that way then I recommend you not do it. But since other disagree with you and their actions don't affect you in any way what so ever, hows about you just leave them be?
You dont 'have marriage', pagans married long before christianity or judaism or islam existed. Yes, pastors shouldn't be forced to marry gays or pagans, but they don't get to keep them from marrying through secular means. Marriage is human, you don't get a monopoly on it. This is what it's all about.
I think that when we talk about same sex marriage nobody seems to mention that this question originally arose not necessarily for the sake of marriage as a contract but that in certain countries being married grants you certain perks such as reduced prices on certain services or tax brakes etc. Taking this into consideration there is no reason why gay people should be denied this option which everyone else has access to. I also understand the opposite view on the matter as well as the arguments behind it and while I disagree with it and can discuss it I will also accept it as one of several views on the matter.
Those preachers are against divorce. Amazing. So I believe inside abusive relationships, the woman must suffer all the violence done by an abusive husband. And as well the children must suffer the abuses of a violent father? I hope you were talking to divorce in general, as something that should not be done as easily.
Marriage is a covenant made between two humans and God, not two humans that marry in ritual with a Priest supposedly under God. If there is abuse within a legally acknowledged marriage, it was never made in God’s covenant but a partnering made in the flesh. Following the path of the flesh will always lead to disaster. Legal marriage is only a flimsy manifestation based on True spiritual marriage, and legal divorce may not be equivalent to a spiritual divorce.
Very true, those who abandone their children should be put in jail by the government, just like governments can put you in jail for not paying your tax.
No not at all. Some parents literally cannot care for their children well, and it’s not always through deliberate choice. Some do not have parenting capacity or instinct
I agree with everything here... Almost. The "why are you surprised" part, I'm completely with it. Like why are we surprised that in this era, marriage like birth control and pornography and adultery are at their highest when it comes to how many people are affected by those things, even church people?! Why are we surprised?! It's challenging for the Church, but we shouldn't be surprised of their mere existence. It's written. It's supposed to be happening. The apostle Paul warned us to not be surprised of those things but to keep our faith and to continue to tell the truth... So, no I'm not surprised and you shouldn't be either.
The "wait to have children" is that precious children take so much of a young couples time (travel, going out with friends, sex etc) and introduce many difficulties to a brand new marriage. Waiting is fine. Children are a blessing, but let's be real.
God said, "All children belong to me". These fornicating slugs that jump into bed with anyone for sex & make babies should be imprisoned. ALL parents should have been trained by their parents (& their parents etc) the instructions of God's teachings, commands, & judgments that are set down in the Bible so that these Heavenly laws are instilled into the growing child to be passed on to every generation AS GOD INTENDED. This would turn the tide of the evil in this world that predominates over good & Godly intent.
You’re honestly comparing pedophelia and incest with two gay adults loving each other? Shame on you. You have ZERO right to post videos and make yourself sound educated and reasonable when you make statements like this. Also, by your logic I’m assuming that neither of you ever have sex out of pleasure - only for purpose for reproduction?
I am gay, always have been. My twin brother was gay as well. I say was because he was Murdered!! He was a nurse and helped to get people better. Someone killed him possibly because of the hate thrown at gays, maybe he figured my brother's life didn't matter. Some woman came up to me and said his murder was a sighn from God and that my brother is in Hell and I must change or I will go there too!!!! God knew us in our mother's woumb did he not?!! Being Gay is Not a Choice. I run, not walk from people like the woman who said my brother is in Hell, she called herself born again, sanctified whatever it is she boasts to be. I have a personal relationship with God, my best friend and Always has been!! I have No time for preachers, religion or church. God is here with me and loves me, loved my brother and I have Peace!! 🙏
Actually a 2019 genetic study proved that homosexuality cannot be predicted by a single gene in the entire genome and thus is not genetic. Meaning nobody is born with any kind of sexual orientation. If you end up being gay, its something that developed early on in childhood due to your environment and circumstances and level of curiosity. It is an influenced choice.
katamas You can have a relationship with him. He is waiting for you. God has always wanted a relationship with you. But, he is a loving God and does NOT force himself on you. He longs for you. He loves you, but will not force you. He gives us free will. The choice is yours, but please know he has and is waiting for you because he loves you so much he gave his one and only son on the cross to be the bridge between you and him
@@dberd9149 Why is he waiting for me when he wants a relationship? Does he not know human relationship 101, where someone won't come up and talk to you without even knowing you exist? No, more like, he sacrificed his son to himself to forgive me for things he is ultimately responsible for.
This whole dialogue is conflated with perpetuating and reinforcing misinformation. Sexual orientation is an instinct, it’s not a behavior or a choice. It is not an issue of morality.
I respectfully ask each of these gentlemen (and anyone who listens to this discussion)...at which age did you decide I will be attracted to girls/women/females and not be attracted to the same sex? Seriously....when? At what age? If you are attracted to the opposite sex, I suspect (if you are honest) you NEVER "chose" but it was just a natural part of your humanity and development.
You can't reason with these people they are the same ones who claim abortion is wrong and forget that the Lord God commanded the death of babies in Jericho as well as literally prescribed an abortion during the test of the unfaithful wife. These people are trying to impose their religious views that are not even biblically accurate onto other people and society as a whole and government, they want a theocracy which will undoubtedly oppress people that are not Christian.
Even if you believe that you are born like that, you are an adult now. If you want to honor God and base your faith in Him, you will want do what is right and fight against it and the continued lust and what you consider to be acceptable. Many men and woman who are "straight", even struggle with lust and desire to commit adultery all the time. It's a fight each and every day. If possible, we should rather struggle with living a celibate life. It is unfortunately a struggle man has. Do not do what God says we should fight against. It is a different matter if someone does not care about God and His commandments. It says adulterous, haters of truth, homosexuality etc, shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
@@benvelthuysen6545 If God is real and he made people homoesexual while at the same time condeming them for it, then he's evil. That's not a god worthy of worship.
@@SirFriess What you say about being born this way is very strong and believable to those who struggle with same sex attraction. We all have pasts and struggles, but as we mature in life we come to realizesee that not all that we are taught and used to is right in life. I know that most of us have past life stories to tell about ourselves, but not all are prepared, or have the lengthy time in order to do so. Well, Sabian and all who wish to listen/read, here is my life history so far. Believe it or not that's up to you. In short, at 6 I was molested sexually by 2 men in their early 20's. These 2 men dealt so gently with me that I enjoyed it and I knew nothing else, and this went on for years (family of course). I wanted nothing else but males, as this is all I knew and I became obsessed with it. At age 13 I was tricked by a 34 year old married woman to have sex, and guess what, after a few times I also enjoyed that. At this young age of 13, I was so confused and lost, still at school. Where do I fit in, and does this now mean that I am bisexual ⚤ ? I still had a stronger pull to my 1st experience however. To end short I found God Jehovah (and believed and believe in Him still), and my whole perspective changed towards how my life was living as a bisexual and being content with that. I even thought of joining porn before I met God, but thankfully never ended up there like Joshua Broome ex gay pornstar, now living for Christ. Knowing what God's Word says and because I believe in Him, I started fighting to live by His expectations. I got married and we plan to have children. Guess what guys? I still live with this continuous lust battle for men and women, but I know where my reality and true love is and that is with and in my wife. I choose to do what God wants because I believe in Him. If you don't believe in Him it does not matter then as to how you live your life. I still struggle but I now know what the truth is, and that is Jesus Christ.
@@benvelthuysen6545 Hey thank you for sharing your story. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I believe my point still stands however. A little bit about me: I came out as gay last year and have been in a relationship with a guy for almost 7 months. I’ve known basically my whole life that I’m gay but I deeply suppressed those thoughts about the same sex because I knew it was a sin according to god. That was up until I deconverted from Christianity. Now, I didn’t deconvert because I was gay but I just became unconvinced of the Bible. So touching on one the points you made, you are absolutely correct that being gay is meaningless to people like me that aren’t trying to “honor” god. Addressing one of your other points, about being molested, I hope you weren’t insinuating that gay kids are gay because they’ve been sexually abused by someone. I myself have never been molested/raped and I’m still gay. Again, I’m sorry you had to go through what you’ve experienced in life but I just can’t agree with your views nor the views of the Bible. They’re immoral in my eyes.
they're saying: we love you, just don't love or care of have feeling for anyone, we'll be ok with you but only if you go far away and live alone forever without loving anyone even tho that love is so much pure and real than a lot of other "straight" love.
I discovered this to be true first-hand. I went through years of conversion therapy, “ex-gay” church programs, followed by years of celibacy. It was very lonely and miserable. Then I realized that God loves me unconditionally as I am. It was the teachings of men that asked me to deny my very capacity to love and express love. My life with God is so much deeper and richer than it was when I was hating myself out of a misguided attempt at holiness.
@@tres-adames nope. God does not love those who refuse to repent of their sinful ways. You must repent and believe the gospel. No repentance = no salvation.
@@tyc4587 no god loves them just the way they are. It kills you to see others happy and that is why you want to make others believe that God hates them. You are not Gods favorite child. He has helped my gay ass get through times he even blessed me so much. So you can suck it I don’t care. God loves us soooooo much and you know it, you jealous bigot!
I don't understand the comments about the state getting involved in marriage when the unmarried birth rate was nearly 40% in 2018. Ex-husbands aren't the only men paying child support.
Notice how no one commented just shows u how twisted society is I ask this question all the time under these discussions but it is seen as ok because u had sex with the opposite sex they say being gay is bad for society I’m like have u seem the destruction that heterosexual dynamics have caused there r so many abused children and children in foster care smh but ppl being with the same sex is what’s causing all the trouble make it make sense ppl
@@ellerocvisionz I'll say it here and now. I think some churches pay too much attention to homosexuality and forget that sex before marriage is a sin. Luckily my church isn't like that, but a lot are. This isn't me saying that we should disregard any of God's rules, but I understand that the church pays attention to other rules more than others. I hope I was speaking alright
Wow. These guys are insanely out of touch. I suppose getting all your morals and world view from a book written thousands of years ago doesn’t allow for much personal development. The dude on the left said he shouldn’t have to hire homosexuals😂
Same here Jonas simkins. I only watched this video because I’m trying to understand why people are offended by normal down to earth gay people (there are some crazy people who have sorta occupied the movement these days lol) who just want to live there lives. I didn’t find those answers in this video lol just more ‘god said’ BS
I kind of agree with you. People shouldn’t be forced to hire women, black people, asians, disabled people, gingers....etc if they don’t want to either I suppose. I think tho that we can agree choosing not to associate/hire someone based entirely on a bias against the category you chose to put them in is something we are trying to evolve beyond as a society and for good reason.
I'm a female that cannot have kids. Does that mean I shouldn't get married? I also believe that divorce is necessary for many different reasons. It is said that divorce hurt kids, you know what hurt kids seeing their parent beaten, abused, emotionally and mentally a mess. I don't know if homosexuality is wrong or not, all I know is that I will try to love everyone as Christ said.
#1 God said, "If you love me, keep my commandments". IF you love God, you would have made sure that you became aware of his instructions that are all found in the Bible. #2 The Bible CLEARLY states what is allowed and what is forbidden by God. This is God's world that is run on God's rules. #3 IF you want to know God, then you want to know what his instructions are for your life. Part of what God expects you to do during your lifetime is spread the Gospel to the lost, which you have no idea what it says. What's stopping you from knowing him? How on earth can you love the lost "as Christ" unless you KNOW Christ?
They spend the whole time talking about how gay marriage is wrong and make assumptions that all gays are non-monogamous and didn't answer the question. What if there are two homosexuals in a monogamous relationship whom keep to themselves and live a life of faithfulness and integrity? There is not one logical argument anyone can make as to why this scenario would be amoral. Just saying "because it says so in the Bible" is NOT a good enough answer and having a response as such is a genuine insult to God's intelligence.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 No it isn't. You don't need marriage to reproduce and straight couples don't need to reproduce to get married. Still does not answer my original question.
@@TheCrimsonGhostt But it's not possible so it can never be real, right? It's already real whether you like it or not, so why don't you continue to close your eyes and pretend it isn't? You're running in circles, you lose.
@Nathan Desta okay, but that just means that their lust in general was bad. Not per se which gender each angel and human had so that wouldnt really say anything about gay rights or wether or not it makes senses for them to get married, right?
@Nathan Desta yeah, I get what youre on about. I dont even think it matters what the bible say about these things since I'm not a Christian and dont believe that it is the word of god or any god for that matter
@Nathan Desta one thing tho. Saying that god wouldnt let the bible get polluted is not really true since it has a lot of other awful stuff in it(slavery, genocid etc that he orders his people to commit) so I dont really see why homophobia would be out of the question. Unless you think these things are A okay
@@poppafly635 I could be wrong but I think it has to do with Greear and the SBC being lead into so much social justice and Voddie standing up for biblical justice.
When you are born again as a gay person & realize that the Bible was written over 1000 years ago by men, not GOD! Also Jesus never even mentioned or condemned Homosexuality!!!
As someone who largely agrees with the traditional interpretation of marriage, there is less than a minute of compelling argument in this video. The vast majority of arguments put forward don’t hold water when critically examined, and stem from a position of misunderstanding of their opponents and fallacious slippery slope arguments.
I just don't understand why it's always compared to pedophilia. Love is all you need sure but pedophilia is a completely different matter as it can happen heterosexually as well. With a mentality like that heterosexuality is wrong too. It's a deeper issue than homosexuality on its own when it enters the idea of pedophilia.
@@BorisVixen Sexual sin can include adultery , sex before marriage, porn, etc. so under that umbrella term it’s all essentially the same as pedophilia, right? Why not focus on existing bigger issues like that fact that marriages don’t last! Address the core issue of lacking love than to focus on consenting adults already in love. Because they’re so comparable as you say…what a joke!
It's contrary to God's design, nature, society, community, the human body. It's pretty straight forward. Wrong has to do with morality. And God is the only one that has authority over morality. He's designated it as wrong.
The spirit of John the Baptist is with us today, working to prepare the way for the Second Coming of Christ. So much of this world is a lost cause, and the only thing that can truly save it is the return of our Lord and Saviour. The spirit of John the Baptist is working within those saints of Revelation 12 who are doing spiritual warfare with the god of this world, who is Satan, and principalities of darkness which rule over this world. This is a spiritual battle we are fighting, not one of flesh and bone.
It very pathetic of not one not two but three men. Adult and matured to come together and say they are talking about why something is wrong and then say absolutely nothing relevant..One of you says "It is impossible, based on what sexuality is" referring to same sex marriage and proceeds to not even explain..no evidence not explanation just an authoritative proclamation..Another one of you says that the current debate on it being a private matter is a lie..Again proceeds to give no explanation why...then he continues to say that law is established under principle and precedent and gives an onroute that we the existence of same sex marriage comes other sexual vices..This coming from a black man whose ancestors faced discrimination....it is hilarious. How do you come to establish that homosexuality is a leeway or gateway to things like pedo****? Another one of you comes and says monogamy does not exist in same sex relationships...and again I ask...from whom and where are you making these assertion????....It is utterly disappointing to just see people spreading hate masked as the truth..with no evidence or concrete justification apart from belief...If there is a God I hope he had mercy on your damned souls.
"We're not saying we don't want you to get married, we're saying you can't get married. We aren't trying to disappoint anyone its just the truth" God, why am I watching this video
What they mean by, "You can't get married," is that God defined marriage as being between man and woman. What two men do on that day is something other than what God instituted. Therefore, it's impossible for two men to get married.
I find it funny that they never actually answered the question. The question isn’t about marriage, it’s how is Homosexuality bad if it doesn’t harm anyone? Also, Christians always make the same mistake in an argument: They try to use Christian ideology in their arguments, when the opposing side does not believe in their ideology. You can’t say that you’re speaking “truth” when the person you’re talking to doesn’t believe in your version of “truth”. Outside the strict and harmful Christian lifestyle, there is nothing morally wrong with 2 men being happy in a relationship.
You know, that's definitely an interesting thought, it seemed like they kind of talked around the question in a sense...but you said the question isn't about marriage, but it in fact is. Either a homosexual, or straight marriage. Although that sentence doesn't even really work because of the fact that biblically, it's impossible to have a homosexual marriage. It's not a marriage. You also mentioned that they used christian stuff, and you're totally right. If the opposing side disagrees, it might not change their mind. But Voddie once said that even if they disagree, we can't just put away the truth. If someone says "oh I don't believe in the Bible" to put it away is to put away THE authority. I know you'll probably disagree with everything I said, but that's my stance. You also mentioned there's nothing morally wrong with two men in a homosexual relationship, and I'm curious where you get your standard of morally wrong from?
@@vunenenthani6640 They really didn't. They more or less avoided the question directly and never gave a TL;DR response. They never really get to the point, but that's just me.
@@rgpearce5847 They indeed talked around the question. Well, you got to understand that not everyone believes in Biblical stuff. Your authority isn't my authority. When I meant morally wrong, I meant that in the sense that if they're happy and not hurting anyone in the process, why should it matter? "Morally wrong" to me is someone going out of their way to do something harmful to someone or a group of people. "Morally wrong" to me is to break morals and do something awful, either in general or to someone or something. If two men are happy being together, happier than forcing themselves to be with a woman, then I don't understand the problem.
These arguments aren't logical at all. Two adults who don't conform to heteronormative, Christian principles, who choose to marry with lucid minds, are not harming anyone else. Pushing your religion on others is the real breach of ethics. Thank goodness we now have equality in marriage!
"We're saying that same sex marriage is impossible..." This why I'm an atheist. It's not that I'm angry at God, or reject God (or any other gods) - it's that I find the concept of God, especially as the big three conceive it, impossible and ridiculous.
Tips for Evangelizing: When I am a Christian without Christ, I go regularly to church, carry out activities in the church, and also go to bars, attend social parties and nightclubs as I wish. When I am a Christian Without Christ, I have my Bible and also my Pornographic Magazines, each of them placed in its place. The Bible visible at the Bedside and the Pornographic magazines and videos at the bottom of the cupboard known only to me. When I am Christian without Christ, I have in my Laptop series of Gospel Songs and another of profane or secular music(songs) and films. Of course, I take care not to mix the two categories of songs that I listen to and watch in an alternate (alternative) manner. When I am a Christian without Christ, I have two types of clothes; the "decent type"(decent dresses), used for worships, church meetings AND the so- called "stylishly or Chic type". That is Sexy and Fashionable dresses, used for few days, with friends. When I am a Christian without Christ, I play the most current artist from Monday to Saturday and on Sunday, I animate praises to the glory of God the Father. When I am a Christian without Christ, One of my favourite biblical verses after "God is Love" is "Do not judge". "God is love" and "do not judge" means: let me live my life as I want. When I go to Rome, I do like the Romans & when I go to church, I do like a saint. I live my life according to where I find myself. When I am a Christian without Christ, I have no Power over Sin. To me, repentance is every time I pray. I say "oh God forgive my(our) sins", but I continue in practising Theft (stealing), cheating, lies telling, unforgiving, masturbation, duplicity, fighting, homosexuality, lesbianism, gambling, pool betting, ego bloating, fornication, adultery, drunkenness, prostitution, cheating and so on, with the biblical verse that "no one is just, not even one...", supported by "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). I justify my actions with "if God will count iniquities, who will stand? And also "God understand my weakness". I look for solution to my problems anywhere anyhow once my problems will go even when my mind tells me not to go there because God is not there! I believe the Bible says heaven help those who help themselves! In fact, when I am a Christian without Christ, I am not a *Christian*! Let us review and amend our Christianity! The time is short! Jesus is coming soon Share this spiritual message to awaken someone from spiritual death. N.B: Jesus is the way to our salvation. God loves you.
@@liveandlove._. yes, because the Spirit of lust (a evil spirit ) is the one making you do it and you also sin when you give into it. Plus is not Holy since GOD ask us to live Holy. 1 peter 1:16
They talk as if their bible doesn't have contradictions and violence, how could they use as an example the relationship of minor and adult to TWO CONSENTING ADULTS. This video is full of guilt tripping and lies. The bible was copied from Mesopotamian culture.
Hi, I am a lesbian. I think that people really just completely underestimate the fact that it’s not a choice. I tried dating guys and everything would be going well as friends until they would want to make it official or do some sort of romantic interaction and I would feel sick. Like my stomach would crawl out my throat. And these were good guys who hadn’t done anything wrong. Then I met this girl. I didn’t even know what love felt like until I met her. Asking me too marry a man is asking me to live with out love.
@@primeminister1040 There is also no scientific evidence that being gay or lesbian is a result of enviroment. The current stance of science is that it's a bit of both.
@@katamas832 what? How is it a bit of both if there is no scientific evidence that people are born gay or lesbian? This is a logical contradiction. We do have evidence that the environment and upbringing have effects, because there are many many cases of people so called gay or lesbian who have gone through therapy and ended getting rid of their homosexual tendencies
@@primeminister1040 There is no scientific evidence for one or the other, only suggestions as to having some effect. According to a study 5 genes have been discovered to play some sort of role, 1% in them. So, genetics do play some role. Rather than born with it, maybe genetics predispose you to it, and something else might trigger it. But you are born with those genes. "So called" nice underplaying their testimony, while listening to others. But no, there is no scientific evidence that conversion therapy works. There is overwhelming evidence that it doesn't work most of the time, and it's hard to trust what abused, indoctrinated people say about their feelings in this case. You'd need an actual measurement of their reaction to the opposite sex to say anything conclusive.
@@katamas832 there is 0 genetic evidence, stop bullshitting, otherwise provide a link for this study and it'd better be peer reviewed not some pro lgbt website. Conversion therapy works because we can actually talk to these people who converted and they're very happy, some of them even got married and had kids.
So near the beginning of the video let's say starting at 2:30 . It is private it's not harming anybody it is a civil rights issue and it won't harm the church because you are to separate church and state. His argument for this is that you don't separate church and state and it will start harming the church. And in no popular opinion is it OK for an older gentleman to be with an underaged person. He's trying to use sensationalized examples to exaggerate a point. Even if it was a popular opinion we have a standard for age of consent. Also for him to say later on in the video that's how the the world is a ridiculous statement is a bit of a hypocritical statement. . back in biblical times it was OK for a much older gentleman to be with somebody 12 or 13. It was OK to start your family at that age in back then if you didn't start your family at that age you risked not starting a family at all. times were different back then but according to him you can't use the phrase that's how the world is. Because that is "ridiculous"
"Homosexuality is present in over 500 hundred species. Homophobia is only present in one. If an insect can get over it so can you"- Some Random Guy On Gay TikTok
@@verafosnow5858 you should get a life. My gay fathers are using that shit app. I live them more than anything, they adopted me and made me feel special and part of a family. But that is not an excuse to use tiktok. They think that I feel embrassed by them being gay, bur it's actually what they do on that app. I'm gonna call the orphanage to bring me back.
@@chuksdagamer6523 The thing is, there is no victim to homosexuality. The only reason people are against it is because of a book written thousands of years ago with zero evidence to prove its true. People just mindlessly follow whatever's ina and use it for hateful, discriminatory, purposes.
@@lekem9617 But, if you don't follow their religion or even believe in God, then it's immediately irrelevant. Why try to enforce your own religious principles upon others? Marriage is far from just a Judea Christian act, only meant for them.
@@GABA-Gool I'll attempt to answer you on that. The first thing to understand is that the Church doesn't try to enforce anything just to have its way (I can't speak for politicians representing Christianity though. Many there want to guarantee their own). The Church pushes for a traditional marriage agenda because it genuinely believes that same sex marriage is harmful to all society and the future of humanity, just like dysfunctional traditional homes, abortions, etc. The Church believes it's extremely harmful from a spiritual perspective for the lives of the people involved in that family, and from a societal perspective as a whole. So coming against certain things is a protective measure, out of love, not a tyranical move like we're made believe. People tend to assume that love is when people just let us do whatever we want, whatever makes us happy. Under that logic, a mother that loves a son wouldn't discipline him. A person who does drugs would be left alone self-destroying while the family watches. The second thing is by enforcing the homosexual right of marriage, the lgbt community is also pushing for laws to force churches to lose their religious freedom, to break their loyalty to their God in order to cater to their wants. It's very selfish if you think about it. I'm gonna force you to lose your religious freedom because I want you to marry me and my partner, even if it makes you break your moral principles, even though I can just move in together with that partner. If they want to get married and the state allows so, then let them be married by who is OK marrying them and not forcing an entire world to accept you and normalize who you believe you are when being born gay is not even proved Scientifically and it's extremely obvious that homosexuality has increased over the years, and not just not talked about like some claim to defend the matter. I can give you respect without having to accept your lifestyle if I don't believe you're meant to have it, the same way they don't have to accept the lifestyle I choose to have and the identity I choose to incorporate as a person. A drug addict's mother loves her son without accepting his lifestyle as a drug addict or criminal, for example. It doesn't make it any less love, but forcing me to accept you the way you are when I already give you respect as a human being is insecurity and manipulation. Trying to force someone to love you.
@@GABA-Gool they are not trying to enforce anything on you.. Just as you have your right to disagree, hold on and express your beliefs , they are also doing the same. With emphasis that the government should not force them to accept same sex marriage or join them either.
@@hhhsss7432 From your atheistic pov. Yes it does not commit harm. If you are of faith, then yes it does commit harm. It is sin against yourself and God and you're simply damaging your relationship with him. Now that's not the issue, the issue is that you're assuming that because we don't support homosexuality, we are against homosexuals and hate them, which is not true. Frankly it is the opposite. Plus homosexuality is a choice via lifestyle
Sorry guys, and especially Mr. Baucham: you want to say that homosexuals are harming the heterosexual marriage? If that would be so then there is nothing wrong with homosexuals , there is something wrong with heterosexual marriages as you propose them. Civil rights in a society with different believes and worldviews and based on human rights cant respect believes when they are agaisnt human rights (the Tolerance paradoxon of Karl Hoppe). Based on your interpretation of the bible you think homosexuals shouldnt be allowed to marry, tahst your interpretation, your believe and should never become a standart in our society as you support promiscuity and weaken those homosexuals who want to live in monogamous relationsships.
I think the fact that we’re commenting on it shows it wasn’t at all done for them, but for communities that are interested in what Christians believe about marriage and homosexuality.
@@EGM369 kudos to Voddie, my big brother in Christ. He is increasingly becoming the voice of John the Baptist in our society, something we have been lacking for decades. Great shall be his reward in heaven!
Brian, why are you spreading lies and rumors? It's ungodly and gross. JD Greear and Russell Moore have not walked back on this issue. You're being slanderous.
Sorry but your bible based bigotry towards other people behavior that does not impact on you is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I do not care what your bible says about anything, it is NOT a moral basis and your ignorance and judgemental attitude shows that with perfect clarity.
@Possum I am here calling out the BIGOTRY and IGNORANCE of this homophobia. I am calling it out this ignorance because I have seen first hand the suffering brought on by these holier than thou assholes talking about what they know nothing about. You have NO right to tell others how to live their lives.
You should be one. This is a very tiny and irrelevant conversation in comparison to your salvation. You need Jesus. It's so big! Please pray about this. Ask Jesus to reveal himself to you!
I wish Chrostianity was just a religion but it isn't. Jesus loves you! Oh yes he does! S. The And there's a whole eternity after here, where you'll be super duper excited all through eternity. That's what I pray we all do not mis
@@jamalhoosaney8614 Yea maybe I was overreacting. It's just there have been so many people trying to force religion on other people. It gets really annoying. I didn't mean to come off as a bitch or anything. So sorry about that
@Κύκλωπας depravity? lack of boundaries? total lack of respect for ones self and others? what do you mean by this? these are subjective and not based in reality. who's being disrespected? what boundaries are being skirted? how is it depraved?
I tried very hard to change into a straight man! Got married to a woman & had 2 sons & because of religion & Society I was sure I could become straight! It doesn’t work! I even tried to pray it away! It doesn’t work!
@@GavinAlexander. Hmsxlity is a net negative to society as it perverses natural gender roles and lead to further degeneracy and break down of nuclear family roles in society. All great socities that have accepted and normalized said behavior have collapsed. Polygamy runs rampant in said hmsxual cultures. A lot of evidence points to it being a paraphilia due to is deviation from the species. ;)
@@shidfard *"Hmsxlity is a net negative to society as it perverses natural gender roles"* First, this is an Argument from Nature logical fallacy. What is deemed "natural", is not the arbiter of what is right or wrong, good or bad. Cancer is natural, but that classification does not make cancer right or good. Glasses are unnatural, but that classification does not make glasses bad or wrong. Secondly, just because YOU proclaim it's against nature, does not mean it actually is. When did nature arise with a sentient consciousness, then impart its intent to you? Meanwhile, what can be observed in nature, is natural. And same-sex attraction and gender fluidity can be observed all throughout nature. Some species are asexual, some can change gender at will, and then there are intersex humans (google it). So your notions of nature, are directly contradicted by examples in nature. in short, not a rational argument. *"and lead to further degeneracy"* Your opinion, and not a rational argument. *"and break down of nuclear family roles in society."* Your opinion, and not a rational argument. *"All great socities that have accepted and normalized said behavior have collapsed. Polygamy runs rampant in said hmsxual cultures."* Nice claim. Now list the specified "all great societies", then demonstrate evidence they "accepted and normalized said behavior", and that historians agree this was THE causal agent to those societies collapse. Meanwhile, the Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 2001, and shows no sign of this "break down of nuclear family", nor societal collapse. Nor has any other nation that has legalized it. Modern examples, directly contradict your opinion regarding this. So this argument is not only errant, but it's also a variation on a Slippery Slope Logical Fallacy. So not a rational argument. *"A lot of evidence points to it being a paraphilia due to is deviation from the species. ;)"* This is just a word salad of nonsense. And it's an attempt to employ an Argument from Normality fallacy. So again, not a rational argument.
It is based on psychological acceptation rather than mental and biological behavior. In 1977 APA just removed the homosexuality from a mental issue just by voting there was and is plenty of scholar studies that probes that is indeed a mental problem. However, society has changed this to a simply something psychological.
this is a bunch of guys pontificating about something they have no personal experience of. why isn't there representation from actual gay Christians in the discussion, people who know what they're talking about?
@@MusicalRaichu God's Word is the beginning & end of every debate. Any train of thought that doesn't align itself with God's teachings are false opinions. When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan. Sinners will never, ever achieve self-acceptance or self-worth; disobedience will prove to be their lifetime adversary.
@@beantrader4723 God's word might be "useful" (2 Tim 3.16) but it's not the end of any debate. If that were the case, there would be no nicene creed, no doctrines of the trinity or incarnation or atonement, no catechisms or hymn books or liturgies, ... What you quote wasn't God saying it, it was Paul saying it, and you misquoted him. He never mentioned homoxesuals. That would have been impossible since there was no such concept at the time. You seem to be propounding legalism, an unbiblical approach to morality (e.g. Gal 5.1). Everything God said is based on two principles, to give him our allegiance and to do good and not harm other people. While I don't doubt these speakers' allegiance to God, I believe they are harming people and need to repent. For straight men to pontificate about people not represented is discriminatory, hurtful and harmful. If you're suggesting that gay people can change their orientation, then you are incorrect. Medical, psychological and religious interventions have been tried and all failed with disastrous results. People died. To persist in pushing deadly ideas is, putting it bluntly, murder. Don't do it.
This is what Jesus himself said about marriage in Matthew 19: 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them *male* and *female*,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become *one flesh*’?
One thing that I have noticed about Christians on RUclips in the comment section is that a lot of times, they only quote parts of the Bible that help their cause. God also says that it's an abomination to cut your hair, touch a pig's skin, mix fabrics, etc. I'm sorry to say, but either follow all the nonsensical rules, or realize that quite a lot about Christianity doesn't make any sense at all and become an Atheist. It's your decision. Choose what you think is correct. Have a good day. Good bye.
Connor, that is an improper understanding of how to read the Bible. Christians aren't Jews (although some Jews are Christians). The Bible is 66 different books compiled over millennia, and really only the New Testament is "enforceable" to gentiles (non-Jews). The book of Romans explicitly tells us NOT to live by the law, but rather by the Spirit. The Old Testament is valuable context to explain how we got here and what led up to what Jesus did including prophecy foretelling his arrival, but the laws you speak of apply to the ancient theocracy of Israel, not Christians.
I doubt anyone, let alone my target audience will see this, but there is nothing wrong with being lgbt. It is impossible to change who you’re attracted to, or the way you feel about your body. I understand that these people love to hate on queer people, but their opinion of you does not change one simple fact. You were born with infinite dignity, value, and worth, and nothing can take that away. Why am I watching this video if I disagree with them? The internalized homophobia and transphobia. I’ve tried to change. Many, many times. I have not succeed in the least. Someone once told me, “it’s your relationship with god, not the church.” Take this as you will
First of all: We don’t hate the people, only the sin involved. You’ve tried to change but you couldn’t, so perhaps you should consider reading the Bible if you haven’t, and praying to God as well. Because in Him and only Him alone can he truly help you. I promise that if you give Him a chance that he can change you for the good.
@Viktor Petrov that argument is useless. Obviously being attracted to children is wrong. I know that. That is because children cannot consent. Your argument about “they are responsible for acting on it” can just as well be turned around on you as a heterosexual male. So when someone is falling in love, feelings and emotions play no part in that? My guess is you’ve never been in love. Feelings and emotions are literally what make you fall in love 🤣 Reason and reality also play a part in falling in love, yes. Reason, to be able to look beyond just your feelings in order to see if the person is actually right for your and in order to see past manipulation that may occur, and reality. You need to present in this reality in order to fall in love. You cannot fall in love if the reality inside your head is so drastically different from the reality of this world. I do agree that queer people need to seek help. They have received so much hate and some even murdered for not being able to change who they love. You straight people aren’t being killed for being straight. You Christian’s aren’t being killed for your religion. Some of you are, but nowhere near the numbers and severity that you make it out to be. I bet most Christian’s killed are not killed for their faith but for the way they treat others. The violence that exists today towards LGBTQ people, and POC for that matter, disgusts me. The color of peoples skin, of who their attracted to, doesn’t affect you. Gay marriage isn’t going to get rid of straight marriage. The LGBTQ community isn’t trying to erase straight people. They’re trying to get equality.equal treatment, because they are just as much human as anyone else. Bizarre desires? How so? Just because you don’t know what it’s like doesn’t automatically make it bizarre. You know what’s bizarre? How well over 500 species also practice homosexuality. Yet in only one species are their killed and raped for it. Can you guess which one? You guessed it! Humans! I don’t care what you believe, that doesn’t give anyone a right to rape, kill, hate crime, or harass anyone you please. Let alone shove your Christianity down our throats because you think we need to be fixed.
@@That1Guy112 I promise you that god cannot change me. You have not seen the countless hours I sobbed in pray begging him to change me because I so desperately believed there was something wrong with me. I have read the Bible, and I’m trying to slowly work through it deeply before I reside on my faith for myself, as I am currently agnostic. I just prayed the other night in fact. Just about my day. Asked god to give me a dream (which, when I was Christian, he seemed to follow through on more) about a girl I like I may like. That that if he did, it would mean that it’s was him who made me this way, and that there is nothing wrong with it. And he did. And before you say anything against it, he always answered when I asked for a dream about his second coming. That if was coming back, if he would give me a dream. Hell, he would give them without me asking 🤣 “Love the sinner, hate the sin” I hate this phrase so much. It is so incredibly toxic. This phrase seems to spread love to the person, but it actually spreads hate. This phrase tells the person, that whatever it is you’re talking about, you hate the part of them that does that or feels that. It delivers a message that the person must stop immediately because it is so incredibly wrong and they’ll burn for all eternity with no escape. Like being LGBTQ or having premarital sex (which isn’t as bad as you make it out to be. I can plain more if you’d like). But these things are not wrong if they are don’t consensually. In fact, they aren’t even the same thing. If they are done unconsensually, that’s rape. Not sex or gay sex. Rape. And I don’t know what you believe to a T, but rape is wrong. Which, correct me if I’m wrong, but the Bible never condemns rape. Pretty bizarre to me.
@@ffrostedblakess I don’t understand how the phrase that I presented is “toxic.” What that means is that even though I don’t love the sin, I won’t condemn the person for it. It’s not saying I hate a part of that person at all, because that is not what us Christians believe in. Also, dreams have more meaning than you think. After all, Joseph was able to interpret pharaohs dreams which had an interesting meaning. Also, even though the Bible never explicitly states that rape is wrong, we as a people still define it as wrong and you can be given long sentences for doing such an act. This is because of our moral standards, and knowing what God days is sin gives us enough understanding to realize that God would say that rape is wrong because he never intended for that to happen.
You're absolutely right, do not even try to change for these people, you are who you are. There's nothing wrong with that. I do hope there are no people in your life who think homosexuality is a sin and you should change, especially your family, not anymore at least.
I think Christian's forget they don't belong to themselves but God. Reference scripture [Corinthians 6:9-20] I just want Christian's to be bold like Paul was, no chance for games. Let no one full you, repent your sins and turn to God. Let's all stop interpreting the word of God our way. The Bible is very clear.
I'll just end my two cents with saying this: it doesn't matter how you were born, but you must be born again.
You know the God that you worship said that it's okay not just to own slaves but also to beat them, right? Exodus 21:20-21, Leviticus 25:44-46.
It also says a permanently injuried soace was to be set free.
+Patrick MC Yeah, it also says that in the old testament. Come back when you have a violent verse in the new testament.
Oh so the God speaking, giving those instructions to Moses to pass on to his people has nothing to do with the God you believe in?
+Patrick MC - Read, think, comprehend and read some more.
*"The heart is deceitful above all things" Jeremiah 17:9*
@James Brashears more than once, it's stated that the heart is treacherous. Leading with the flesh only takes you away from God and that is why we as Christians are told to lead with the spirit. We all have feelings and desires but that doesn't mean we should act on them. Shalom brother.
Boom Bam BOOM BAM! Amen.
Hahaha! 🤣 Sounds like Jeremiah has loved & lost. That guy needs psychiatric counselling.
@May I halik you?: Insults? No, you cloud your own stupidity. You've proven nothing. You're argument begins with a foregone conclusion.
You have no truth. You're guessing what 2000 year old fables from the middle east mean.
@Boom Bam: Really? Does your precious Bible predict 534,000 innocent people to suffer horribly and die from Covid 19. While an Almighty Powerful Loving God Silently & Invisibly stands by & watches? I predict more will die, so am I a God? Like .... so what man.... Get Real.
Honestly I'm just here to see how the other half thinks. You can't step into an argument without listening to the person you disagree with.
Darn right!
@Mason Moore This woman might not agree with this video, but she's respectfully stepping out of her echo chamber, which is a great thing to do
than who’s gonna talk first?🤔
@@AJCVYC93 thank you.
@@eric-qs8ii doesn't really matter. I'll know how he or she thinks even if I talk first because of this video. I can see where they come from and understand what they're saying.
Yes, divorce hurts children. Almost as much as having parents who constantly fight and visibly hate each other
Every one of my siblings and I were unable to form meaningful relationships due to watching the godly, toxic marriage of our parents who only stayed together because "god said so". Took years of therapy for us to learn what basic respect was in a relationship. Turned out we werent the only family in this situation. It was the common experience of the majority of kids we grew up with in our fundamentalist christian community that was unsurprisingly riddled with domestic violence and child abuse.
What does that have to do for homosexuality
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 i take it you didnt watch the video. Otherwise you would know why Jordi addressed what was discussed in the video....which wasn't just homosexuality.
@@jaclo3112 You didn't really have Christian parents then .
@@saved217 no, that's exactly what Christian parents act like
People don’t preach it because they fear their church attendance will shrink.
Correct. Same reason they dont preach that divorce is not allowed by God bc only death breaks the marital Covenant. AND, that remarriage after a divorce while the original Covenant spouse is still alive puts one into CONSTANT ADULTERY.
Therefore their incoming money will shrink.
..and or they in it themselves. It's all fornication and adultery (some cases). The church will continue to struggle to have conviction and deliverance because we not addressing the real sexual issues on a spiritual level. Flee fornication is easy to say but can we expound on why. Amen Luie
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 infidelity also breaks the covenant
@@Shield60 No it doesn't brother. Sorry that's a man made myth. Read the following verses for proof...
Mark 10:9
Romans 7:1-3
1 Corinthians 7:39
I like "we are in the world but not of this world." That helps me a lot.
@yellowleaf Ohhhh. Thank you for sharing that. I find myself getting caught up in the wordly ---can I say "crap?" Like you said, "built on sand."
I appreciate your post. I hope you have a good, positive, productive day.
@yellowleaf I respect your search for truth and your study of the Bible.
I am intrigued by the people who so adamantly refuse to believe. Like you, I pray for them, and hope they find some peace somewhere. I
In your opinion, Yellowleaf, what makes some atheists so angry? Some atheists don't seem to even think about God and don't seem to care. It is the angry, vicious atheists who intrigue me. Why are they so angry about something in which they don't believe?
We're ambassadors part of a Kingdom not of this worldly flesh mentality. So as we live in the spirit we see God's laws and love.
@@yaheard215 I like "not of this worldly flesh mentality. It's interesting to me how different I feel being a Christian. Do you feel that?
Yes, its another way saying we are full of bullshit.
Well at least these people can have a conversation with the most polite manners and cordiality in the world.
Watching people politely debate a prejudicial viewpoint has an odd way of being worse than watching the knuckle-draggers scream about it.
You're clearly a bigot if you can't respect that these people have a different viewpoint than you do. A lot of people think there is something spiritually and/or morally wrong with homosexuality.
Admittedly so.
+Greed777
Rightly so.
Quite quite.
To the people who think that being gay is a choice, does that mean when you were young you could have chosen to be gay if you wanted to? If you answer no to that question, why would you think that someone else could choose to be gay? I honestly don't know why I am gay, but I do know that it had nothing to do with how my parents raised me. I was nowhere near a "momma's boy". I was actually much closer to my dad and spent more time with him than I did with my mom, and he treated me just like any "normaI" dad would treat his son. I was raised exactly the same way and in the same house as my older brother, who turned out to be straight. And I was never sexually abused when I was a kid. I never even knew anyone who was gay until I was 17. Nothing about my childhood was abnormal or out of the ordinary. If it were as easy as just being a choice, I would have chosen to be straight a long time ago, because the discrimination and hatred that many gay people face has tormented me for most of my life. Because of that, I still haven't accepted myself for being gay, unfortunately, from the time I knew that I was different when I was 8-9 years old, all the way up until today. I thank God that there are caring people out there who support and understand the LGBTQ community.
@Viktor Petrov
Sweetie, you're that troll using 4-5 burner troll accounts because you're embarrassed by your inability to defend your arguments. Everything you're prattling on about, you've already lost numerous times over, and you just keep repeating it. Why are you so obsessed with the attention of gay men, troll? Hmmm? Is it internalized homophobia because you're gay and this is the only way you can interact with gay men?
@Viktor Petrov so are you saying that if you wanted to, you could choose to turn gay and be sexually attracted to other men? Do you think you could ever be tempted and enjoy having sex with men, and have the desire for that kind of relationship? If you think that you could never have the desire to be with a man and enjoy having sex with men, that means that your sexual orientation probably isn't something you could ever change, no matter how badly you wanted to be gay. What do you think causes homosexuality? Like I said before in my comment above, I don't know what the cause was in my case. I have never really believed the argument that gay people are "born that way", but I am sure that your sexual orientation isn't fluid, and that it will never be possible for me to find women sexually attractive, even though I would give my right arm to be straight.
@@djhutcherson6761 I don't recommend engaging with him, he's just making assertions and playing games, not worthy of your time.
@Viktor Petrov Sin is a choice. The fact that being gay is not a choice proves it's not a sin.
@Viktor Petrov "It's a choice. All sin is a choice."
1. There is no "sin".
2. Your silly list of rules has little to do with real morality.
3. Who you are attracted to and the strength of that attraction is the result of very complex biology and physiology and is NOT a choice of the individual.
As long as there’s been human history, people have raised children within groups and practiced polygamy. Claiming humans have always been monogamous between one man and one woman is completely false. Colonialism & Patriarchy wants to believe that’s true, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
I just remembered how many times that was practiced in multiple cultures, it's still somewhat practiced too by some people
As of June 2020, Voddie has stood firm on the word of God and has not conformed to this world, but has stood firm on the inerrancy and sufficiency of the word of God for every real world event and decisions.
Yeah now they want to force doctrine on 4, 5, 6 year Olds etc about transgender identity in schools Just focus on ACBs jeez....so sad.
did God speak directly to Voddie?
@@camerong5513 he speaks to us through his word. The Bible.
@@tazzyt5269 so God doesn't speak directly to you. Got it
@@tazzyt5269 I second that!
“We don’t hide the truth and place it under a bushel” 🙌🏼
homophobics do
@nickj14711 true, homophobics are not even christian anyway.
@nickj14711 yeah, thats homophobics for ya!
@nickj14711 I get ur not educated on the bible but God said the old law is dead now so why are u calling God a liar?
@nickj14711 but I agree......so Im not doing it for selfish reasons
When the bible says homosexuality is wrong but fails to condemn pedophilia, I cannot consider the bible to be a moral guide.
Or when it approves of slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, pillory, terrorism, misogyny, and discrimination against handicapped people. Yeah, it's not a good "moral" guide at all.
the bible does NOT say homoxesuality is wrong. it's just people have convinced themselves it does.
Mark 9:42
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.
@@MusicalRaichu Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
@@virtuoussoulhealer3644 if homoxesuality was wrong, you'd expect it say "men don't lie with men" and "women don't lie with women". it says neither.
the hebrew is unclear but the conventional rendering says not to use a man or boy like a woman in bed. under patriarchy, women were considered inferior, so a male taking a woman's role was denigrating.
regardless, haven't you heard we no longer follow the OT law? the news went out 2K years ago, I'm surprised you haven't heard.
There is no such thing as them and us. We are all sinners. The only thing saves us is blood of Jesus, covers all sinns. My God is strong fortress, I am safe in him.
@Ddot Norreh We must pray for them. Blood of Crist is more than enough for all.
there is no greater us and them concept than the sheep and the goats, heaven or hell.
@saint of jesus Christ a convenient way to dodge guilt and resist personal growth which is why christianity in its fundamental form is psychologically detrimental.
Brad Crampton the Bible is all about pain in life and then growing from it lol what are you talking about? 😂
The spirit and flesh can not meet.
The question isn’t about marriage though, it’s “How can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone” as a gay atheist who wouldn’t get married, you’ve just skimmed over the whole question by banging in about same sex marriage rather than the sexuality itself.
You are denying yourself a happy life, in love with somebody else, having a family, children to raise..because your faith makes you think you’re an abomination - you are not. You are loved and would still
be loved for accepting yourself. You are enough, even without somebody else telling you that you are.
@@BlapwardKrunkle you don’t need a partner nor children to have a happiness. If they don’t want that, then they don’t have to. Not everyone desires a family or romantic relationships.
@@christworks3458 well of course if somebody doesn’t want that they shouldn’t feel pressured to, but neither should they be pressured not to do something they do want to do.
😂😂😂
As a gay cancer patient, I have to ask what the hell makes Christian think they have the right to force gay people to live and die alone?
I ask this because people with partners in cancer wards are more likely to survive than those who don’t have partners.
It's the goodness of God that leads men to repentance.
"And by the fear of the LORD one departs from evil."-Proverbs 16:6
I don't want to repent.
@@flunkiebubs2002 - then you must not have thought much about eternity
@@Charles.Wright Well, I have
@@flunkiebubs2002 then your going to hell
Whut? "Children have always been brought forth in monogamous marriage"? You should try reading the Bible. Abraham had one wife (his half-sister, by the way) and at least one concubine. We don't _know_ if Isaac had any concubines, but there's nothing to indicate that he would have thought it was wrong. Jacob had _two_ wives and _two_ concubines. Mosaic Law - God's Perfect Law - allows for marrying more than one woman. Gideon, a champion of Israel, had two wives. King David, who was "a man after the God's own heart" had _eight_ wives. Polygamy and concubinates are _everywhere_ in the Old Testament.
Those families from the OT that you mentioned had a lot of conflict and problems in the home. Hence why God said that we should only have one man and one wife.
@@efearioga5117 Where did he say that again? Not in the Mosaic Law.
Also, God really shouldn't have to learn that multiple wives lead to problems. He should already know.
@@Valdagast It says so in the NT (specifically in Paul’s letters)
@@efearioga5117 There is conflict between monogamous couples as well: Adam and Eve, Isaac and Rebecca, Samson and Delilah. There is conflict in all relationships. Just because there is conflict means it's a sin?
I think you guys should differentiate man's will from God's will.
Let GOD be true and every man a liar.
So you're lying right now
@@katamas832 so are you 😆 hehe
In this life, there is truth in alot of things but God is the Ultimate Truth. Let those who are without God be as liars because they Deny The Ultimate Truth. Because if you Deny the Truth, Your a liar.
When we tell the Truth, We uphold it and Strengthen its Hold.
@@lionbolt2136 No, if you deny the truth, you are either ignorant or delusional. Which creationists often are.
What's the ultimate truth? How do you know it is ultimate?
@@katamas832 Truth is not a concept, is a person, just like love is not a concept, but a person. You don’t know Who Truth and Love is, then what you think you know doesn’t matter.
Why should my religion dictate the lives of others?
It's not dictate gadha
If they follow the same religion
AcerMaple72
"Why should my religion dictate the lives of others?"
Go tell that to the Right-Wing Conservatards. They want their interpretation of Christianity to dictate the lives of others and take away their first amendment rights (especially freedom of speech, freedom of choice, separation of "church" and state, freedom of and from religion, etc). I'm a Center-Left Christian, and I can tell you this, If the Right-Wing Conservatards had their way, society would regress back into the Dark Ages, and everyone except for the Right-Wing Fundies (non-Christian religious people, Atheists, progressive Christians, etc) would be jailed, beaten, tortured, killed, burned at the stake for questioning, disagreeing with, or rejecting Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology. They already started bringing fascism to America, taking people's basic rights away, and attempting to dictate the lives of others like banning sex education, birth control, safe and legal life-saving abortion for women who were abused by men and little girls who were abused by child predators, gay marriage, gay adoption, interracial marriage, medically assisted suicide for people who are in excruciating pain all the time and have very little to no quality of life, etc, etc. Your beliefs and you values are between you and Jesus/God, it's none of the Conservatives' business, so when they try to lecture you or try to force you to live by their messed up Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology, tell them to fuck off, that's what I do.
It shouldn't
eexactly, religion is an IDEOLOGY at the end of the day, not everyone has to believe in it
If marriage is thought to be a religious institution then it should be separate from the state.
Wrong.
Lol i love this 😆 in a good way
@@dove6069 No, you are wrong. There are thousands of religions and all members of each faith truly believe in their religion. Our society will fall apart if we do not separate church from state. It is unfair and dangerous.
Marriage is a legal institution, not necessarily a religious one.
@@devinligtelyn915 I agree!
Though i havent been able to accept homosexuality completely but if we go by the logic that marriage should be accredited by Society, there was a time when interracial marriage too was considered to be a sin.
Also, marriage wasn’t about love in ancient days; it was about biological heirs and economics. Marriage has changed and why is it that only Christians get to decide what it is and isn’t?
I think that half of these commenters didn't even watch this video.
David Hudgins It's really hard to get through when you want to yell at the screen.
I do yell at the screen.
David Hudgins there's no god
It is okay to be gay
It is okay to act on your 'gayness'
Be born again. Accept Jesus as your Lord and savior! There is power the name of Jesus to break every chain.
@Steve Roberts who is your authority?
@Steve Roberts not the God of the bible.
Why would God not condemn homosexuality? It is not in the created order.
@Steve Roberts negative sir. God did not make a race of homosexuals. He created woman to be his helper as it was not good for man to be alone. Spin scripture any way you like, it is incorrect. I suppose you also believe in evolution as well? You cannot justify homosexuality, no matter how much you twist scripture, 2 men cannot created a child. Never have never will.
@Steve Roberts and by the by the way you talk about the bible, God is not your authority. You seem to think you are.
@Steve Roberts If you were a Christian, born again believer in our Saviour, you would not diminish God as you do.
As a atheist I cat help but laugh.... I don't have a shit if someone if gay or straight.. I'm not s pervert thinking of someone's sexual orientation all the time
Then why are you here? This discussion is for gays and straights that DO give a shit about God and heaven.
Same i don't care if you are gay or straight or what your race or religion is
When the question is asked; "How can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn't harm anybody?" the argument is over.
Morality is all about what helps or harms people. Homosexuality does not harm anyone. Therefore, there is nothing immoral about homosexuality.
That’s because Christians aren’t concern about it harming anybody. They are concern about them gambling with their souls when they receive the final judgment from God
@@heseesyou582 Wrong. Christians are simply concerned with asserting the primacy of their particular myth over all beings. It's a problem among the adherents of the Abrahamic myths. They all seem to think everyone else must follow it just as they do.
@@GavinAlexander. if you heard that Christians are suppose to make people believe in God, you heard wrong. Christians mission is to spread the gospel around the world. Christians will tell people what they are doing is wrong and a sin in Gods eyes. If the person or people don’t listen, then that’s their choice, God doesn’t force anybody to follow him so Christians should do the same.
@@heseesyou582
Your attempt at gaslighting is cute. This isn't about what I've heard. It's about the history of those who follow the Abrahamic myths. A history of a collection of people who, as Christopher Hitchens put it so well, all claim to have this belief that will bring about peace and happiness, yet cannot seem to be peaceful or happy unless everyone else believes it exactly as they do. If you believe this myth, it governs YOUR life alone. End of story.
@@GavinAlexander. so your basically saying that this Arabic myth is suppose to govern my life alone? Right?
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead '"
Amen 🙏
Wow! .... Very deeeeeep!
where can I find your comment
in The Bible
Luke 16:19-31
I have a question for the religious people.
Sexuality doesn't change as things like conversion therapy don't work and actually severely harm the people who undergo it. This would imply that sexuality is a part of a person, and they were born with or naturally developed their sexuality.
Why would God purposefully put someone on this Earth who is gay or lesbian if it's wrong? Why would He set someone up for failure?
It's a test humans are tested with issues all the time and its a huge temptation god is testing what you can give up for him
@@mariemzobiri5793 So this all loving God wants people to give up happiness and the potential for a fulfilling, loving relationship for him? Why? To assert some weird sense of servitude and dominance? That's one thing I'll never understand. Some people phrase God as a loving father-figure that they have a personal relationship with and others phrase him as a dictator. Do you want to be ruled by someone who has a personal relationship with you or a dictator?
@@eve4685 cause heaven isn't easy it takes hard work and sacrifice for someone to deserve also am genuinely sorry I don't make these rules
@@mariemzobiri5793 Why does this benevolent God torture His creation in hell, or if you don't believe in hell, deny them happiness for something as simple as loving another person. Isn't the most integral teaching of most religions loving the people around you?
@@eve4685 you can love it's just forbidden to get sexual
Homosexuality cannot be wrong because it's right for you to be who you are
@Viktor Petrov that is correct but some people who have parents disapprove of being gay
@@vivianmckinzie8771 He's a troll, not really worth your time
@@katamas832 I know
@Viktor Petrov I’m sorry, but it’s not really worth my time
@Viktor Petrov I was getting the truth about lgbt
Child marriage is already legal in all but 4 states in the U.S. the attempt to outlaw it is opposed by religious groups, mainly Christian.
So the people in this video will be addressing that right? Will we see videos about the dangers of child marriage?
@Red Skull excuse me what?
Why child marriage is wrong in your opinion though? (If it is mutually agreed)
@@MoLtenMetaL7 What ? Because it's a child. If a child cannot consent to sexual actions, why would marriage suddenly be okay ?
@@gryph346 see but the Bible doesn’t condemn it so is it okay ?? even tho we know morally it’s wrong. That’s why it’s belived a lot of homosexual verses are about pedophilla.
@@marquicetaylor3941 You need a book that plenty of people myself included do not believe in to teach you about morality ?
If you wanna talk about the bible, Mary was suposedly between 13 and 14 years old when she gave birth to jesus. She would've been married or engaged to Joseph, which would make him 19 or 20.
So the god from the bible literally choose a child bride. Ew.
And you want morals out of this ?
And now over 4 years later Voddie's words have proven to be prophetic
Brazilian Goddess was that supposed to and 2 weeks later your words have proven to be stupid
@Brazilian Goddess lol ridiculous. You might as well say "you worship a literal lamb, because Jesus is called a lamb many times" twisting words and scripture doesn't do you any favours
@Brazilian Goddess that's King David talking about after an invasion, and he is angry. That is not a command from God. He is speaking out of what happened to the Israelites and that they would feel the same pain.
Honestly, you might as well say "the bible says Jesus is a lamb, therefore Christians worship animals". I doubt you think Christians really believe God tells them to do that.
I can't change your hatred of the way the bible puts things, such as the flood for instance. But I pray you do seek after the truth
@Brazilian Goddess exactly. Npw you understand, to just say 'impossible' to everything. the Bible also says God made the world in 7 days, that's impossible!! Says God loves you, impossible!
@Hineni John3:16 Let her/him be - he/she is trying to create a debate where there is none - nobody is as blind as those who do not want to see. He/She is just a sign of society so dont judge ignorance.
Since when have we begun to define our walk with Christ without sacrifice. The truth is it cost all of us to follow Jesus. How then do we define love without sacrifice. Love costs. Just read “the Book.” No one is exempt. Everyone has a choice, obey or disobey. But if you love HIM more than you “love” self, you would make the sacrifice.
That's YOUR religion. There are billions of people in the world with other religions.
I believe you may be mistaking what we believe as followers of Christ. We seek all to follow HIM. Perhaps you knew that bug wanted me to express my for your taunting. In any case, I’ll oblige. We believe that there is only ONE way. So, no my comment does not include other faith systems, since we don’t recognize their eternal value. You may view this as arrogant, we accept this as Truth.
@@normantaylor1711 I have specifically asked thousands of Christians if Buddhist go to hell simply for not converting, and all but 3 have answered yes, and then tried to justify that evil. That is more than arrogance, that's willful immorality.
@@normantaylor1711 Here is an example of what I'm talking about. lion fish
5 minutes ago @Spurious Effect Buddhist do not go to Heaven, those non believers go to hell. That's the truth. Non believers can exercise their free will whether to accept Christ or not.
That's a pretty cavalier statement to make FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Assuming you're straight could you simply deny your heterosexuality for your entire life because you believe "a god" demanded it. Don't bother answering, because it is EASY to make this proclamation when you'll never have to put it to the test. This is why it's so fundamentally offensive to hear all these hetero christians flippantly tell gay people to "just deny" who they are while simultaneously NEVER having to live up to the same standards they set.
Jesus said
“The time is coming when they shall say
how blessed are the barren.”
Captain Underpants said: LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@Johhny Johnstone ref. Please ?
@Johhny Johnstone sorry, your reference doesn’t mention “how blessed are the barren”
@Johhny Johnstone it doesn’t help me because it doesn’t mention what Jesus said
Never in your reference does it say
The barren were blessed ?
@Johhny Johnstone this ain’t my first rodeo
Homosexuality is not just a form of sex, it is a form of love.
Great point, not every gay person has sex, i know many who dont. But they can still be attracted to others of the same sex emotionally, spiritually, intellectually...even have close relationships (without sex). Also, being LGBT you join movement, with its own cultural distinctions...shared interests and activities such as: music, fashion, games, comedy, etc. I see it has still very young in its development, but as the years go im sure it will evolve into something else.
So yes... homosexuality, pansexual, bisexual, etc. can simply be love expressions toward any gender, with or without sex. I think religious judeo-christians dont understand all the nuances because they mainly perceive same sex attraction has 2 naked guys/girls in bed together...which honestly is the most shallow way to look at any relationship.
You didn’t answer the question that you yourselves asked, “Can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone?”
I wasted 10 minutes of three guys rambling about marriage and divorce without even actually tackling homosexuality and it’s problems. Maybe that’s because there are no problems and none of you can give real answers without consulting the Bible
Yeah. They presented same sex marriage as a slippery slope to a 50 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl, completely ignoring the issue of whether there is harm in such relationships, as there obviously is in such an unbalanced relationship as the latter.
And looking again, "Can homosexuality be wrong ...", wasn't even the question they asked. It was " *How* can homosexuality be wrong...". It is clear that they started with the conclusion that it is wrong, and are desperately trying to find reasons.
@@djhalling God says it's wrong. Good enough.
@@briantitchener4829 If that's what they thought, then they should have just said that and saved ten minutes. Of course, it wouldn't have convinced anybody who didn't already believe it, any more than it does when you say it.
@@briantitchener4829 I loved this reply🤣🥰
GAY RIGHTS Also like stfu this comment section is anoyingggggg, Like im gonna go marry a man, and you all can go cry abt it. Also hello fellow gays in the comments, you aren't alone!
@@Wshm10 nah i think gay is amazing
@@Wshm10 brainwashing? Im just living my life. Love is love. You can be anyone you want to be, you can be free
Did you not just watch the video?
@@timothyshevchuk8280 wdym
There are so many problems with this argument I don't even know where to begin
Me too brother, me too.
it’s easy to say that being gay is wrong when you’re straight and have never experienced same sex attraction
lol those type of people are funny they try to find a hole so they can stimulate themselves it's like if a earhole was large enough to fit their members in they would probably go for that if it was safe. goofy people wanting that interaction 👨💻🐒 its low key sad
@@explodingheart2824 gay people are not different from straight people. We humans found out that we love pleasure, and we're civilized enough to know how to pleasure ourselves without hurting anyone. Your God or your book don't dictate what is moral and what is not, neither does nature.
I'm 41 and so far in my life my church first stopped preaching about divorce, then about premarital sex and know gay sex is acceptable. In one generation.
My family thinks I'm overreacting and judgmental because I left that denomination. Sorry, I struggle with sin enough without the church telling me sin is just made up by the patriarchy trying to control me.
If that’s what was being taught, then good on you. There is one church, one body, one faith, one baptism, and one Lord. The truth is, anyone teaching that is not in the church, which is by definition the assembly of true believers.
@Gary Richardson
People often attempt to discredit that verse because it’s in the Law of Moses. However, it is also written:
“Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
~Romans 1:26-27
and also:
“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
~1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Plus, marriage is taught as between a man and a woman, with no connection to the Law of Moses mind you but how God created the established order from the very beginning, even since the days of Adam and Eve
It is
Indeed, just like interracial marriages. Its only been 55 years that “good old fashioned, Southern, Christian practice” of persecuting interracial couples was stopped by the Supreme Court. Up to that point many Southerners believed interracial marriages as “unnatural”.
Human rights.
oh, do you know what sin is?
Homosexuality is not objectively wrong because religion is not a fact. Without religion there is nothing wrong with it
@UTube how exactly
@UTube Heterosexuals use it for that purpose too. FYI, even heterosexual men sometimes :)
@UTube why is there a pleasure organ there then? It also triggers orgasm.
@UTube biology. Look it up.
@UTube have you heard of the prostate?
Christian really have a problem with keeping their religion to themselves. Same sex relationships has been going on throughout history, you can’t change nor deny that.
Same sex is immorality just as much as the use of porn is , it's a abuse of free will revolving around sex .. let me know if the gay sex leads to joy and life after years of being in it , it leads to disease, heartache and even death
Deep respect for this channel not turning the comments off.
1 Corinthians 2:14 “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” The natural man is unregenerate, and his mind is still darkened by enslavement to sin. It’s the illuminating work of the Holy Spirit that brings saving faith and repentance.
Amen
Right back at ya I reckon
Amen
I don't think it would be fair to me as a woman to have a man who has homosexual desires marry me and deny those desires because he will always have them and I want to be with a man who sexually desires me, not one who is trying to please God by 'doing the right thing' and being with me.
FeelTheLack god doesn't have the power to change his desires?
BVale he has the power and he won't use the power unless you want him too......you have to want it...
BVale just because someone does a video on RUclips doesn't mean they can't lie.......i know plenty who did change and now are married with kids so it's possible because god is possible.....god knows peoples heart....and if you really want to be righteous or not.........he sees a soul that wants to be clean and free from sin...and he won't take it those demons away...?...i doubt that....and remember anybody who says jesus can't save that's the spirit of the antichrist
BVale a therapy session isn't gonna change that.....that was doomed from the start......only jesus can change a person.....abd that comes from a personal relationship with him....and the holy spirit
@@timothymccray6034 you think that the people going to Exodus International didn't ask Jesus to change their hearts? You are so quick to dismiss it as a 'therapy session' When People that went there desperately desired Jesus to change their hearts so much that they begged for help and believed it would happen and here you are discounting that as though its nothing.
Here's a tip for you, (free, at no charge) homosexuality isn't wrong.
Now with that out of the way you can get on with living your life and let others live theirs.
@Possum Are you talking about he 1961 team (male & female) that died in a plane crash?
there are well documented risks associated to such lifestyle.
@@stopcensorship7705, _"there are well documented risks associated to such lifestyle."_
If you don't like the risks, then don't live the lifestyle (whatever "the lifestyle" is supposed to mean). No one is trying to force you to live such a lifestyle, are they?
@Darth Sidious, writes _"It [homosexuality] is wrong"_
If you feel that way then I recommend you not do it. But since other disagree with you and their actions don't affect you in any way what so ever, hows about you just leave them be?
@Darth Sidious What makes it wrong?
You dont 'have marriage', pagans married long before christianity or judaism or islam existed. Yes, pastors shouldn't be forced to marry gays or pagans, but they don't get to keep them from marrying through secular means. Marriage is human, you don't get a monopoly on it. This is what it's all about.
I think that when we talk about same sex marriage nobody seems to mention that this question originally arose not necessarily for the sake of marriage as a contract but that in certain countries being married grants you certain perks such as reduced prices on certain services or tax brakes etc. Taking this into consideration there is no reason why gay people should be denied this option which everyone else has access to.
I also understand the opposite view on the matter as well as the arguments behind it and while I disagree with it and can discuss it I will also accept it as one of several views on the matter.
Theocracy is inherently un American why are they trying to impose their religious views on to the law of the land
Those preachers are against divorce. Amazing. So I believe inside abusive relationships, the woman must suffer all the violence done by an abusive husband. And as well the children must suffer the abuses of a violent father?
I hope you were talking to divorce in general, as something that should not be done as easily.
Thats why God express not to be un equally yoked
It's not the preacher's against divorce ....it's Gods word against divorce (Malachi 2:16)
Marriage is a covenant made between two humans and God, not two humans that marry in ritual with a Priest supposedly under God. If there is abuse within a legally acknowledged marriage, it was never made in God’s covenant but a partnering made in the flesh. Following the path of the flesh will always lead to disaster. Legal marriage is only a flimsy manifestation based on True spiritual marriage, and legal divorce may not be equivalent to a spiritual divorce.
Divorce would hardly ever happen if people thought through their marriages more before getting married
One thing a covenant is between man and woman not the same gender
Very true, those who abandone their children should be put in jail by the government, just like governments can put you in jail for not paying your tax.
Fuck gruberment.
Child abandonment is a crime.... Are you talking about putting kids up for adoption?
No not at all. Some parents literally cannot care for their children well, and it’s not always through deliberate choice. Some do not have parenting capacity or instinct
@@ChristianJay7 he’s probably talking about the thousands of homophobic parents that kick out their kids just because they’re gay
America was build by slavery and white orphans...
I wonder how they feel now that gay marriage has been legal for 8 years.
I agree with everything here... Almost. The "why are you surprised" part, I'm completely with it. Like why are we surprised that in this era, marriage like birth control and pornography and adultery are at their highest when it comes to how many people are affected by those things, even church people?! Why are we surprised?! It's challenging for the Church, but we shouldn't be surprised of their mere existence. It's written. It's supposed to be happening. The apostle Paul warned us to not be surprised of those things but to keep our faith and to continue to tell the truth... So, no I'm not surprised and you shouldn't be either.
What do you have against birth control?
The "wait to have children" is that precious children take so much of a young couples time (travel, going out with friends, sex etc) and introduce many difficulties to a brand new marriage. Waiting is fine. Children are a blessing, but let's be real.
Yes I agree 🙏🏽
God said, "All children belong to me". These fornicating slugs that jump into bed with anyone for sex & make babies should be imprisoned. ALL parents should have been trained by their parents (& their parents etc) the instructions of God's teachings, commands, & judgments that are set down in the Bible so that these Heavenly laws are instilled into the growing child to be passed on to every generation AS GOD INTENDED. This would turn the tide of the evil in this world that predominates over good & Godly intent.
Wow. This was a really great conversation. I have a short attention span and I actually sat through the discussion seamlessly.
Nick Jones um okay
Being against gay marriage is no different than being against interracial marriage.
You’re honestly comparing pedophelia and incest with two gay adults loving each other? Shame on you. You have ZERO right to post videos and make yourself sound educated and reasonable when you make statements like this.
Also, by your logic I’m assuming that neither of you ever have sex out of pleasure - only for purpose for reproduction?
I am gay, always have been. My twin brother was gay as well. I say was because he was Murdered!! He was a nurse and helped to get people better. Someone killed him possibly because of the hate thrown at gays, maybe he figured my brother's life didn't matter. Some woman came up to me and said his murder was a sighn from God and that my brother is in Hell and I must change or I will go there too!!!! God knew us in our mother's woumb did he not?!! Being Gay is Not a Choice. I run, not walk from people like the woman who said my brother is in Hell, she called herself born again, sanctified whatever it is she boasts to be. I have a personal relationship with God, my best friend and Always has been!! I have No time for preachers, religion or church. God is here with me and loves me, loved my brother and I have Peace!! 🙏
Actually a 2019 genetic study proved that homosexuality cannot be predicted by a single gene in the entire genome and thus is not genetic. Meaning nobody is born with any kind of sexual orientation. If you end up being gay, its something that developed early on in childhood due to your environment and circumstances and level of curiosity. It is an influenced choice.
@@mpdebate6239 BEING👏GAY👏 IS👏 NOT👏 A👏CHOICE.
@@mpdebate6239 and? Being str8 is a choice???
@@camerong5513 Heterosexuality is predictable by genetics but homosexuality is not. Meaning only one is a choice and only one is in a person's nature
@@mpdebate6239 and...? If that's the case, so what if they choose it?
Being Disobedient To GOD'S Order, Harms Our Relationship With GOD/Our Heavenly FATHER...
What if you don't have a relationship with him?
@@katamas832 that is clearly impossible for them. They want their beliefs to be yours and everyone elses. Very arrogant in a way.
katamas You can have a relationship with him. He is waiting for you. God has always wanted a relationship with you. But, he is a loving God and does NOT force himself on you. He longs for you. He loves you, but will not force you. He gives us free will. The choice is yours, but please know he has and is waiting for you because he loves you so much he gave his one and only son on the cross to be the bridge between you and him
@@dberd9149 Why is he waiting for me when he wants a relationship? Does he not know human relationship 101, where someone won't come up and talk to you without even knowing you exist?
No, more like, he sacrificed his son to himself to forgive me for things he is ultimately responsible for.
katamas Blaming him for your lack is not the answer. You have a sinful nature in blaming instead of taking responsibility for your actions.
This whole dialogue is conflated with perpetuating and reinforcing misinformation. Sexual orientation is an instinct, it’s not a behavior or a choice. It is not an issue of morality.
I respectfully ask each of these gentlemen (and anyone who listens to this discussion)...at which age did you decide I will be attracted to girls/women/females and not be attracted to the same sex? Seriously....when? At what age? If you are attracted to the opposite sex, I suspect (if you are honest) you NEVER "chose" but it was just a natural part of your humanity and development.
You can't reason with these people they are the same ones who claim abortion is wrong and forget that the Lord God commanded the death of babies in Jericho as well as literally prescribed an abortion during the test of the unfaithful wife. These people are trying to impose their religious views that are not even biblically accurate onto other people and society as a whole and government, they want a theocracy which will undoubtedly oppress people that are not Christian.
Even if you believe that you are born like that, you are an adult now. If you want to honor God and base your faith in Him, you will want do what is right and fight against it and the continued lust and what you consider to be acceptable. Many men and woman who are "straight", even struggle with lust and desire to commit adultery all the time. It's a fight each and every day. If possible, we should rather struggle with living a celibate life. It is unfortunately a struggle man has. Do not do what God says we should fight against. It is a different matter if someone does not care about God and His commandments. It says adulterous, haters of truth, homosexuality etc, shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
@@benvelthuysen6545 If God is real and he made people homoesexual while at the same time condeming them for it, then he's evil. That's not a god worthy of worship.
@@SirFriess What you say about being born this way is very strong and believable to those who struggle with same sex attraction. We all have pasts and struggles, but as we mature in life we come to realizesee that not all that we are taught and used to is right in life. I know that most of us have past life stories to tell about ourselves, but not all are prepared, or have the lengthy time in order to do so. Well, Sabian and all who wish to listen/read, here is my life history so far. Believe it or not that's up to you. In short, at 6 I was molested sexually by 2 men in their early 20's. These 2 men dealt so gently with me that I enjoyed it and I knew nothing else, and this went on for years (family of course). I wanted nothing else but males, as this is all I knew and I became obsessed with it. At age 13 I was tricked by a 34 year old married woman to have sex, and guess what, after a few times I also enjoyed that. At this young age of 13, I was so confused and lost, still at school. Where do I fit in, and does this now mean that I am bisexual ⚤ ? I still had a stronger pull to my 1st experience however.
To end short I found God Jehovah (and believed and believe in Him still), and my whole perspective changed towards how my life was living as a bisexual and being content with that. I even thought of joining porn before I met God, but thankfully never ended up there like Joshua Broome ex gay pornstar, now living for Christ. Knowing what God's Word says and because I believe in Him, I started fighting to live by His expectations. I got married and we plan to have children. Guess what guys? I still live with this continuous lust battle for men and women, but I know where my reality and true love is and that is with and in my wife. I choose to do what God wants because I believe in Him. If you don't believe in Him it does not matter then as to how you live your life. I still struggle but I now know what the truth is, and that is Jesus Christ.
@@benvelthuysen6545 Hey thank you for sharing your story. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I believe my point still stands however.
A little bit about me: I came out as gay last year and have been in a relationship with a guy for almost 7 months. I’ve known basically my whole life that I’m gay but I deeply suppressed those thoughts about the same sex because I knew it was a sin according to god. That was up until I deconverted from Christianity. Now, I didn’t deconvert because I was gay but I just became unconvinced of the Bible. So touching on one the points you made, you are absolutely correct that being gay is meaningless to people like me that aren’t trying to “honor” god.
Addressing one of your other points, about being molested, I hope you weren’t insinuating that gay kids are gay because they’ve been sexually abused by someone. I myself have never been molested/raped and I’m still gay.
Again, I’m sorry you had to go through what you’ve experienced in life but I just can’t agree with your views nor the views of the Bible. They’re immoral in my eyes.
they're saying: we love you, just don't love or care of have feeling for anyone, we'll be ok with you but only if you go far away and live alone forever without loving anyone even tho that love is so much pure and real than a lot of other "straight" love.
Thissss...
I discovered this to be true first-hand. I went through years of conversion therapy, “ex-gay” church programs, followed by years of celibacy. It was very lonely and miserable. Then I realized that God loves me unconditionally as I am. It was the teachings of men that asked me to deny my very capacity to love and express love. My life with God is so much deeper and richer than it was when I was hating myself out of a misguided attempt at holiness.
@@tres-adames nope. God does not love those who refuse to repent of their sinful ways. You must repent and believe the gospel. No repentance = no salvation.
@@tyc4587 no god loves them just the way they are. It kills you to see others happy and that is why you want to make others believe that God hates them. You are not Gods favorite child. He has helped my gay ass get through times he even blessed me so much. So you can suck it I don’t care.
God loves us soooooo much and you know it, you jealous bigot!
@@tyc4587 god said that to you?
I don't understand the comments about the state getting involved in marriage when the unmarried birth rate was nearly 40% in 2018. Ex-husbands aren't the only men paying child support.
Notice how no one commented just shows u how twisted society is I ask this question all the time under these discussions but it is seen as ok because u had sex with the opposite sex they say being gay is bad for society I’m like have u seem the destruction that heterosexual dynamics have caused there r so many abused children and children in foster care smh but ppl being with the same sex is what’s causing all the trouble make it make sense ppl
@@ellerocvisionz I'll say it here and now. I think some churches pay too much attention to homosexuality and forget that sex before marriage is a sin. Luckily my church isn't like that, but a lot are. This isn't me saying that we should disregard any of God's rules, but I understand that the church pays attention to other rules more than others. I hope I was speaking alright
@@blaqgirlssss correct u r right on the money
@@blaqgirlssss when god has a conversation with you then you can tell people what was said about the rules He has
Wow. These guys are insanely out of touch.
I suppose getting all your morals and world view from a book written thousands of years ago doesn’t allow for much personal development.
The dude on the left said he shouldn’t have to hire homosexuals😂
thank god i found another sane person in this comment section
Same here Jonas simkins. I only watched this video because I’m trying to understand why people are offended by normal down to earth gay people (there are some crazy people who have sorta occupied the movement these days lol) who just want to live there lives.
I didn’t find those answers in this video lol just more ‘god said’ BS
I kind of agree with you. People shouldn’t be forced to hire women, black people, asians, disabled people, gingers....etc if they don’t want to either I suppose. I think tho that we can agree choosing not to associate/hire someone based entirely on a bias against the category you chose to put them in is something we are trying to evolve beyond as a society and for good reason.
To Jonas simkins-
Same here buddy🤟
@Wombat but if the employee is only not hired cuz theyre gay then that’s discrimination.
I'm a female that cannot have kids. Does that mean I shouldn't get married? I also believe that divorce is necessary for many different reasons. It is said that divorce hurt kids, you know what hurt kids seeing their parent beaten, abused, emotionally and mentally a mess. I don't know if homosexuality is wrong or not, all I know is that I will try to love everyone as Christ said.
#1 God said, "If you love me, keep my commandments". IF you love God, you would have made sure that you became aware of his instructions that are all found in the Bible. #2 The Bible CLEARLY states what is allowed and what is forbidden by God. This is God's world that is run on God's rules. #3 IF you want to know God, then you want to know what his instructions are for your life. Part of what God expects you to do during your lifetime is spread the Gospel to the lost, which you have no idea what it says. What's stopping you from knowing him? How on earth can you love the lost "as Christ" unless you KNOW Christ?
Thank you for your pastor's heart. The truth received and believed does set you free.
What truth?
a bunch of straight guys talking about something they know nothing about!?
They spend the whole time talking about how gay marriage is wrong and make assumptions that all gays are non-monogamous and didn't answer the question.
What if there are two homosexuals in a monogamous relationship whom keep to themselves and live a life of faithfulness and integrity? There is not one logical argument anyone can make as to why this scenario would be amoral.
Just saying "because it says so in the Bible" is NOT a good enough answer and having a response as such is a genuine insult to God's intelligence.
Give us a straight answer- If gay marriage is impossible then why do you try so hard to fight it? It doesn't exist, right? Way to not make sense.
Gay marriage is impossible because marriage is built around reproduction.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 No it isn't. You don't need marriage to reproduce and straight couples don't need to reproduce to get married. Still does not answer my original question.
People can be stubborn at times
The reason we fight it is because people like you try and make it real.
@@TheCrimsonGhostt But it's not possible so it can never be real, right? It's already real whether you like it or not, so why don't you continue to close your eyes and pretend it isn't? You're running in circles, you lose.
What happened to the city of Sodom?🤔🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@Nathan Desta Jesus himself stated that it was because they didnt show kindness to those who seeked shelter...
@Nathan Desta okay, but that just means that their lust in general was bad. Not per se which gender each angel and human had so that wouldnt really say anything about gay rights or wether or not it makes senses for them to get married, right?
@Nathan Desta and in the end they were angels so their "strange flesh" was not human so... dont try to fuck with angels?
@Nathan Desta yeah, I get what youre on about. I dont even think it matters what the bible say about these things since I'm not a Christian and dont believe that it is the word of god or any god for that matter
@Nathan Desta one thing tho. Saying that god wouldnt let the bible get polluted is not really true since it has a lot of other awful stuff in it(slavery, genocid etc that he orders his people to commit) so I dont really see why homophobia would be out of the question. Unless you think these things are A okay
So crazy to see these three sitting together. TGC and these SBC elites would never sit down with Voddie nowadays
I must be late to the party or I have missed something. Why would they not sit down with Voddie today?
@@poppafly635 Rt, what happened?
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@@poppafly635 I could be wrong but I think it has to do with Greear and the SBC being lead into so much social justice and Voddie standing up for biblical justice.
@@carlosc20 If that is the case, then shame on the SBC. If they cannot handle the truth of scripture, then they have bigger issues than this!!!
what happened? tell me
When you are born again as a gay person & realize that the Bible was written over 1000 years ago by men, not GOD! Also Jesus never even mentioned or condemned Homosexuality!!!
As someone who largely agrees with the traditional interpretation of marriage, there is less than a minute of compelling argument in this video. The vast majority of arguments put forward don’t hold water when critically examined, and stem from a position of misunderstanding of their opponents and fallacious slippery slope arguments.
Keep speaking English. All these beautiful words put together and you still don’t make any sense
Keep the marriage bed pure and undefiled amen
Or just do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone...
@@katamas832 you missed the point of the video entirely.
@@sarahminton4111 The point of the video boils down to "the Bible tells us so". I didn't miss it. I simply don't care what the Bible says
I just don't understand why it's always compared to pedophilia. Love is all you need sure but pedophilia is a completely different matter as it can happen heterosexually as well. With a mentality like that heterosexuality is wrong too. It's a deeper issue than homosexuality on its own when it enters the idea of pedophilia.
@@BorisVixen Sexual sin can include adultery , sex before marriage, porn, etc. so under that umbrella term it’s all essentially the same as pedophilia, right? Why not focus on existing bigger issues like that fact that marriages don’t last! Address the core issue of lacking love than to focus on consenting adults already in love. Because they’re so comparable as you say…what a joke!
They didn't make one good point about it being wrong in the whole video.
It's contrary to God's design, nature, society, community, the human body. It's pretty straight forward. Wrong has to do with morality. And God is the only one that has authority over morality. He's designated it as wrong.
@@Monzerratz You just cant help yourself with all these troll accounts.
It's three straight guys pontificating about something they neither understand or even want to.
@@Monzerratz God does not exist and it is only a guide to ignorants. Others should not live based on your lies.
Deliverance ,Jesus christ is a deliverer 🙏
Amen
"The spirit of John the Baptist's enemy is at work within them, but where is the spirit of John the Baptist in our culture?"
The spirit of John the Baptist is with us today, working to prepare the way for the Second Coming of Christ. So much of this world is a lost cause, and the only thing that can truly save it is the return of our Lord and Saviour. The spirit of John the Baptist is working within those saints of Revelation 12 who are doing spiritual warfare with the god of this world, who is Satan, and principalities of darkness which rule over this world. This is a spiritual battle we are fighting, not one of flesh and bone.
@@EndTimesHarvest the lost cause is you - presuming to speak on God's behalf
It very pathetic of not one not two but three men. Adult and matured to come together and say they are talking about why something is wrong and then say absolutely nothing relevant..One of you says "It is impossible, based on what sexuality is" referring to same sex marriage and proceeds to not even explain..no evidence not explanation just an authoritative proclamation..Another one of you says that the current debate on it being a private matter is a lie..Again proceeds to give no explanation why...then he continues to say that law is established under principle and precedent and gives an onroute that we the existence of same sex marriage comes other sexual vices..This coming from a black man whose ancestors faced discrimination....it is hilarious. How do you come to establish that homosexuality is a leeway or gateway to things like pedo****? Another one of you comes and says monogamy does not exist in same sex relationships...and again I ask...from whom and where are you making these assertion????....It is utterly disappointing to just see people spreading hate masked as the truth..with no evidence or concrete justification apart from belief...If there is a God I hope he had mercy on your damned souls.
"We're not saying we don't want you to get married, we're saying you can't get married. We aren't trying to disappoint anyone its just the truth" God, why am I watching this video
Lmao i wonder why i watch this too
Because God want's you to see this. He loves you
What they mean by, "You can't get married," is that God defined marriage as being between man and woman.
What two men do on that day is something other than what God instituted. Therefore, it's impossible for two men to get married.
@@Shawnjames777 preach..Amen
@@Nonalhomophobie There are many examples look up testimonys from people who see him. You will regret denouncing God. Repent
I find it funny that they never actually answered the question. The question isn’t about marriage, it’s how is Homosexuality bad if it doesn’t harm anyone? Also, Christians always make the same mistake in an argument: They try to use Christian ideology in their arguments, when the opposing side does not believe in their ideology. You can’t say that you’re speaking “truth” when the person you’re talking to doesn’t believe in your version of “truth”. Outside the strict and harmful Christian lifestyle, there is nothing morally wrong with 2 men being happy in a relationship.
They actually answered a whole lot then just the question itself. They answered the why, the how and what is bad about it.
You know, that's definitely an interesting thought, it seemed like they kind of talked around the question in a sense...but you said the question isn't about marriage, but it in fact is. Either a homosexual, or straight marriage. Although that sentence doesn't even really work because of the fact that biblically, it's impossible to have a homosexual marriage. It's not a marriage. You also mentioned that they used christian stuff, and you're totally right. If the opposing side disagrees, it might not change their mind. But Voddie once said that even if they disagree, we can't just put away the truth. If someone says "oh I don't believe in the Bible" to put it away is to put away THE authority. I know you'll probably disagree with everything I said, but that's my stance.
You also mentioned there's nothing morally wrong with two men in a homosexual relationship, and I'm curious where you get your standard of morally wrong from?
2 happy got damn man just listen to what ur saying
@@vunenenthani6640 They really didn't. They more or less avoided the question directly and never gave a TL;DR response. They never really get to the point, but that's just me.
@@rgpearce5847 They indeed talked around the question. Well, you got to understand that not everyone believes in Biblical stuff. Your authority isn't my authority. When I meant morally wrong, I meant that in the sense that if they're happy and not hurting anyone in the process, why should it matter? "Morally wrong" to me is someone going out of their way to do something harmful to someone or a group of people. "Morally wrong" to me is to break morals and do something awful, either in general or to someone or something. If two men are happy being together, happier than forcing themselves to be with a woman, then I don't understand the problem.
These arguments aren't logical at all. Two adults who don't conform to heteronormative, Christian principles, who choose to marry with lucid minds, are not harming anyone else. Pushing your religion on others is the real breach of ethics. Thank goodness we now have equality in marriage!
These people seem to think we live in a theocracy, but we don’t so why would we base our laws around unverified scripture.
You do know we humans are born either male & female right?
@@KhalilSonic What does that have to do with the op?
@@KhalilSonic Biological sex exists? Damn bro thats crazy!!1!1!
@@basicytgamer9983 so how do you see Homosexuality being natural when it clearly isn't
Welcome ladies and gentleman to the mental gymnastics face off the the century.
"We're saying that same sex marriage is impossible..." This why I'm an atheist. It's not that I'm angry at God, or reject God (or any other gods) - it's that I find the concept of God, especially as the big three conceive it, impossible and ridiculous.
What do you mean exactly?
Why do you find that to be the case?
@@brynnhatcher8279 Which part? My implied thoughts on marriage or my atheism?
And that's your right. God did give you free will with the idea you might use it after all.
Exactly what the kingdom that opposes God wants you to believe. Sadly, you have been deceived.
Tips for Evangelizing: When I am a Christian without Christ, I go regularly to church, carry out activities in the church, and also go to bars, attend social parties and nightclubs as I wish. When I am a Christian Without Christ, I have my Bible and also my Pornographic Magazines, each of them placed in its place. The Bible visible at the Bedside and the Pornographic magazines and videos at the bottom of the cupboard known only to me. When I am Christian without Christ, I have in my Laptop series of Gospel Songs and another of profane or secular music(songs) and films. Of course, I take care not to mix the two categories of songs that I listen to and watch in an alternate (alternative) manner. When I am a Christian without Christ, I have two types of clothes; the "decent type"(decent dresses), used for worships, church meetings AND the so- called "stylishly or Chic type". That is Sexy and Fashionable dresses, used for few days, with friends. When I am a Christian without Christ, I play the most current artist from Monday to Saturday and on Sunday, I animate praises to the glory of God the Father. When I am a Christian without Christ, One of my favourite biblical verses after "God is Love" is "Do not judge". "God is love" and "do not judge" means: let me live my life as I want. When I go to Rome, I do like the Romans & when I go to church, I do like a saint. I live my life according to where I find myself. When I am a Christian without Christ, I have no Power over Sin. To me, repentance is every time I pray. I say "oh God forgive my(our) sins", but I continue in practising Theft (stealing), cheating, lies telling, unforgiving, masturbation, duplicity, fighting, homosexuality, lesbianism, gambling, pool betting, ego bloating, fornication, adultery, drunkenness, prostitution, cheating and so on, with the biblical verse that "no one is just, not even one...", supported by "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). I justify my actions with "if God will count iniquities, who will stand? And also "God understand my weakness". I look for solution to my problems anywhere anyhow once my problems will go even when my mind tells me not to go there because God is not there! I believe the Bible says heaven help those who help themselves! In fact, when I am a Christian without Christ, I am not a *Christian*! Let us review and amend our Christianity! The time is short! Jesus is coming soon Share this spiritual message to awaken someone from spiritual death. N.B: Jesus is the way to our salvation. God loves you.
Masturbating is wrong?
@@liveandlove._. yes, because the Spirit of lust (a evil spirit ) is the one making you do it and you also sin when you give into it. Plus is not Holy since GOD ask us to live Holy. 1 peter 1:16
@@angelinedimanche7114 oh, that is like touching yourself right?
They talk as if their bible doesn't have contradictions and violence, how could they use as an example the relationship of minor and adult to TWO CONSENTING ADULTS. This video is full of guilt tripping and lies. The bible was copied from Mesopotamian culture.
@@liveandlove._. so when you're doing masturbation you are sinning against you're self and God
Hi, I am a lesbian. I think that people really just completely underestimate the fact that it’s not a choice. I tried dating guys and everything would be going well as friends until they would want to make it official or do some sort of romantic interaction and I would feel sick. Like my stomach would crawl out my throat. And these were good guys who hadn’t done anything wrong. Then I met this girl. I didn’t even know what love felt like until I met her. Asking me too marry a man is asking me to live with out love.
Idk about choice, what I do know is that people aren't born gay or lesbian because there is no scientific evidence for that.
@@primeminister1040 There is also no scientific evidence that being gay or lesbian is a result of enviroment. The current stance of science is that it's a bit of both.
@@katamas832 what? How is it a bit of both if there is no scientific evidence that people are born gay or lesbian? This is a logical contradiction. We do have evidence that the environment and upbringing have effects, because there are many many cases of people so called gay or lesbian who have gone through therapy and ended getting rid of their homosexual tendencies
@@primeminister1040 There is no scientific evidence for one or the other, only suggestions as to having some effect. According to a study 5 genes have been discovered to play some sort of role, 1% in them. So, genetics do play some role. Rather than born with it, maybe genetics predispose you to it, and something else might trigger it. But you are born with those genes.
"So called" nice underplaying their testimony, while listening to others. But no, there is no scientific evidence that conversion therapy works. There is overwhelming evidence that it doesn't work most of the time, and it's hard to trust what abused, indoctrinated people say about their feelings in this case. You'd need an actual measurement of their reaction to the opposite sex to say anything conclusive.
@@katamas832 there is 0 genetic evidence, stop bullshitting, otherwise provide a link for this study and it'd better be peer reviewed not some pro lgbt website.
Conversion therapy works because we can actually talk to these people who converted and they're very happy, some of them even got married and had kids.
So near the beginning of the video let's say starting at 2:30 . It is private it's not harming anybody it is a civil rights issue and it won't harm the church because you are to separate church and state. His argument for this is that you don't separate church and state and it will start harming the church. And in no popular opinion is it OK for an older gentleman to be with an underaged person. He's trying to use sensationalized examples to exaggerate a point. Even if it was a popular opinion we have a standard for age of consent. Also for him to say later on in the video that's how the the world is a ridiculous statement is a bit of a hypocritical statement. . back in biblical times it was OK for a much older gentleman to be with somebody 12 or 13. It was OK to start your family at that age in back then if you didn't start your family at that age you risked not starting a family at all. times were different back then but according to him you can't use the phrase that's how the world is. Because that is "ridiculous"
"Homosexuality is present in over 500 hundred species. Homophobia is only present in one. If an insect can get over it so can you"- Some Random Guy On Gay TikTok
OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU QUOTED THAT
@@dimitrifeher1232 I knew my extensive hours on tiktok would pay off one day.
@@verafosnow5858 you should get a life. My gay fathers are using that shit app. I live them more than anything, they adopted me and made me feel special and part of a family. But that is not an excuse to use tiktok. They think that I feel embrassed by them being gay, bur it's actually what they do on that app. I'm gonna call the orphanage to bring me back.
anonymous person so... guess we can kill our children since species do it too 😊
@@chuksdagamer6523 The thing is, there is no victim to homosexuality. The only reason people are against it is because of a book written thousands of years ago with zero evidence to prove its true. People just mindlessly follow whatever's ina and use it for hateful, discriminatory, purposes.
"Same sex marriage is impossible." Then... how exactly have gay couples been able to get married and have it legally recognized?
It wasn't meant in that context.. They were referring to marriage as defined by God.
Simple stupid people exist
@@lekem9617 But, if you don't follow their religion or even believe in God, then it's immediately irrelevant. Why try to enforce your own religious principles upon others? Marriage is far from just a Judea Christian act, only meant for them.
@@GABA-Gool I'll attempt to answer you on that. The first thing to understand is that the Church doesn't try to enforce anything just to have its way (I can't speak for politicians representing Christianity though. Many there want to guarantee their own). The Church pushes for a traditional marriage agenda because it genuinely believes that same sex marriage is harmful to all society and the future of humanity, just like dysfunctional traditional homes, abortions, etc. The Church believes it's extremely harmful from a spiritual perspective for the lives of the people involved in that family, and from a societal perspective as a whole. So coming against certain things is a protective measure, out of love, not a tyranical move like we're made believe. People tend to assume that love is when people just let us do whatever we want, whatever makes us happy. Under that logic, a mother that loves a son wouldn't discipline him. A person who does drugs would be left alone self-destroying while the family watches. The second thing is by enforcing the homosexual right of marriage, the lgbt community is also pushing for laws to force churches to lose their religious freedom, to break their loyalty to their God in order to cater to their wants. It's very selfish if you think about it. I'm gonna force you to lose your religious freedom because I want you to marry me and my partner, even if it makes you break your moral principles, even though I can just move in together with that partner. If they want to get married and the state allows so, then let them be married by who is OK marrying them and not forcing an entire world to accept you and normalize who you believe you are when being born gay is not even proved Scientifically and it's extremely obvious that homosexuality has increased over the years, and not just not talked about like some claim to defend the matter. I can give you respect without having to accept your lifestyle if I don't believe you're meant to have it, the same way they don't have to accept the lifestyle I choose to have and the identity I choose to incorporate as a person. A drug addict's mother loves her son without accepting his lifestyle as a drug addict or criminal, for example. It doesn't make it any less love, but forcing me to accept you the way you are when I already give you respect as a human being is insecurity and manipulation. Trying to force someone to love you.
@@GABA-Gool they are not trying to enforce anything on you.. Just as you have your right to disagree, hold on and express your beliefs , they are also doing the same. With emphasis that the government should not force them to accept same sex marriage or join them either.
this comments section is scary
how tf does it hurt u if some1 is gay wtf
Did you not watch the video? I say this as a gay guy myself
@@triplemoyagames4195 the video is completely unnecessary
Your point?
@@hhhsss7432 You didn't come to listen. You came to disagree as your mind was already made up. Are you a christian?
@@triplemoyagames4195 no
There points are completely invalid bcz that is NOT even a question homosexuality does NOT harm any1
@@hhhsss7432 From your atheistic pov. Yes it does not commit harm. If you are of faith, then yes it does commit harm. It is sin against yourself and God and you're simply damaging your relationship with him. Now that's not the issue, the issue is that you're assuming that because we don't support homosexuality, we are against homosexuals and hate them, which is not true. Frankly it is the opposite. Plus homosexuality is a choice via lifestyle
Sorry guys, and especially Mr. Baucham: you want to say that homosexuals are harming the heterosexual marriage? If that would be so then there is nothing wrong with homosexuals , there is something wrong with heterosexual marriages as you propose them.
Civil rights in a society with different believes and worldviews and based on human rights cant respect believes when they are agaisnt human rights (the Tolerance paradoxon of Karl Hoppe).
Based on your interpretation of the bible you think homosexuals shouldnt be allowed to marry, tahst your interpretation, your believe and should never become a standart in our society as you support promiscuity and weaken those homosexuals who want to live in monogamous relationsships.
Three guys sitting around patting each other on the back for their same views is accomplishing EXACTLY NOTHING.
Precisely!
as if commenting about your frustration does.
I think the fact that we’re commenting on it shows it wasn’t at all done for them, but for communities that are interested in what Christians believe about marriage and homosexuality.
Worse. They are rallying hate.
@@stopcensorship7705 "Better out than in." - Shrek 3:14
It's 2021 and only 1 of these dudes hasn't walked this issue back a bit or try to reframe it.
Which one
@@emeldacampbell417 The gentleman Voddie Baucham, big fella on the left.
@@EGM369 kudos to Voddie, my big brother in Christ. He is increasingly becoming the voice of John the Baptist in our society, something we have been lacking for decades. Great shall be his reward in heaven!
Lol, hypocrites.
Brian, why are you spreading lies and rumors? It's ungodly and gross. JD Greear and Russell Moore have not walked back on this issue. You're being slanderous.
Sorry but your bible based bigotry towards other people behavior that does not impact on you is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I do not care what your bible says about anything, it is NOT a moral basis and your ignorance and judgemental attitude shows that with perfect clarity.
You need to be born again.
@@jasonjasper9097 Nope. I have no use for your death cult. I saw through it's nonsense as a teenager.
@Possum I am here calling out the BIGOTRY and IGNORANCE of this homophobia. I am calling it out this ignorance because I have seen first hand the suffering brought on by these holier than thou assholes talking about what they know nothing about. You have NO right to tell others how to live their lives.
@@walkergarya are you going to call out the racism among alphabet people too ?
@@stopcensorship7705 If that becomes a problem, I will but I am not holding my breath.
This just seems to be 3 guys agreeing with each other. No opposing opinions
Not a Christian but I appreciate this dialogue
You should be one. This is a very tiny and irrelevant conversation in comparison to your salvation. You need Jesus. It's so big!
Please pray about this. Ask Jesus to reveal himself to you!
@@tedimolaolayinka2513 They don't have to be christian if they don't want to. Please stop shoving your religion down people's throat
I wish Chrostianity was just a religion but it isn't. Jesus loves you! Oh yes he does!
S. The
And there's a whole eternity after here, where you'll be super duper excited all through eternity. That's what I pray we all do not mis
He not shoving down anyone's throat. Mostly a misconception, only happens when your ACTUALLY forced to do so.
@@jamalhoosaney8614 Yea maybe I was overreacting. It's just there have been so many people trying to force religion on other people. It gets really annoying. I didn't mean to come off as a bitch or anything. So sorry about that
still didn't answer the question. who's it harming? no one. why's it wrong? it's not
@Κύκλωπας what do you mean by that?
@Κύκλωπας i've read a fair bit about LGBT history, what specifically are you referring to and what relevance does it have?
@Κύκλωπας quite a lot. I'm one of them 😅
@Κύκλωπας that gay relationships are pretty much the same as straight ones... Obviously
@Κύκλωπας depravity? lack of boundaries? total lack of respect for ones self and others?
what do you mean by this? these are subjective and not based in reality. who's being disrespected? what boundaries are being skirted? how is it depraved?
There is not hate like a Christians “love”
Christians follow Christ. If you have a problem with Christians, you have a problem with Jesus Christ.
Wat?
@@evanalec5403Christians preach about love but they hate like nobody’s business
I tried very hard to change into a straight man! Got married to a woman & had 2 sons & because of religion & Society I was sure I could become straight! It doesn’t work! I even tried to pray it away! It doesn’t work!
There is NO rational argument anyone can present to define homosexuality as being "wrong". PERIOD.
I have plenty of rational arguments ;)
@@shidfard yet you didn't present one.
@@GavinAlexander. Hmsxlity is a net negative to society as it perverses natural gender roles and lead to further degeneracy and break down of nuclear family roles in society. All great socities that have accepted and normalized said behavior have collapsed. Polygamy runs rampant in said hmsxual cultures. A lot of evidence points to it being a paraphilia due to is deviation from the species. ;)
@@shidfard
*"Hmsxlity is a net negative to society as it perverses natural gender roles"*
First, this is an Argument from Nature logical fallacy. What is deemed "natural", is not the arbiter of what is right or wrong, good or bad. Cancer is natural, but that classification does not make cancer right or good. Glasses are unnatural, but that classification does not make glasses bad or wrong. Secondly, just because YOU proclaim it's against nature, does not mean it actually is. When did nature arise with a sentient consciousness, then impart its intent to you? Meanwhile, what can be observed in nature, is natural. And same-sex attraction and gender fluidity can be observed all throughout nature. Some species are asexual, some can change gender at will, and then there are intersex humans (google it). So your notions of nature, are directly contradicted by examples in nature. in short, not a rational argument.
*"and lead to further degeneracy"*
Your opinion, and not a rational argument.
*"and break down of nuclear family roles in society."*
Your opinion, and not a rational argument.
*"All great socities that have accepted and normalized said behavior have collapsed. Polygamy runs rampant in said hmsxual cultures."*
Nice claim. Now list the specified "all great societies", then demonstrate evidence they "accepted and normalized said behavior", and that historians agree this was THE causal agent to those societies collapse. Meanwhile, the Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 2001, and shows no sign of this "break down of nuclear family", nor societal collapse. Nor has any other nation that has legalized it. Modern examples, directly contradict your opinion regarding this. So this argument is not only errant, but it's also a variation on a Slippery Slope Logical Fallacy. So not a rational argument.
*"A lot of evidence points to it being a paraphilia due to is deviation from the species. ;)"*
This is just a word salad of nonsense. And it's an attempt to employ an Argument from Normality fallacy. So again, not a rational argument.
It is based on psychological acceptation rather than mental and biological behavior. In 1977 APA just removed the homosexuality from a mental issue just by voting there was and is plenty of scholar studies that probes that is indeed a mental problem. However, society has changed this to a simply something psychological.
Thank you for sharing on this subject yes churches should talk about this more often.
this is a bunch of guys pontificating about something they have no personal experience of. why isn't there representation from actual gay Christians in the discussion, people who know what they're talking about?
We just need to follow Gods commement love your as yourself. There is NO exceptions. God bless you
@@ph9687 precisely my point. these people think they love their neighbour, but they're actually hurting them.
@@MusicalRaichu God's Word is the beginning & end of every debate. Any train of thought that doesn't align itself with God's teachings are false opinions. When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan. Sinners will never, ever achieve self-acceptance or self-worth; disobedience will prove to be their lifetime adversary.
@@beantrader4723 God's word might be "useful" (2 Tim 3.16) but it's not the end of any debate. If that were the case, there would be no nicene creed, no doctrines of the trinity or incarnation or atonement, no catechisms or hymn books or liturgies, ...
What you quote wasn't God saying it, it was Paul saying it, and you misquoted him. He never mentioned homoxesuals. That would have been impossible since there was no such concept at the time.
You seem to be propounding legalism, an unbiblical approach to morality (e.g. Gal 5.1). Everything God said is based on two principles, to give him our allegiance and to do good and not harm other people. While I don't doubt these speakers' allegiance to God, I believe they are harming people and need to repent. For straight men to pontificate about people not represented is discriminatory, hurtful and harmful.
If you're suggesting that gay people can change their orientation, then you are incorrect. Medical, psychological and religious interventions have been tried and all failed with disastrous results. People died. To persist in pushing deadly ideas is, putting it bluntly, murder. Don't do it.
This is what Jesus himself said about marriage in Matthew 19: 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them *male* and *female*,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become *one flesh*’?
One thing that I have noticed about Christians on RUclips in the comment section is that a lot of times, they only quote parts of the Bible that help their cause. God also says that it's an abomination to cut your hair, touch a pig's skin, mix fabrics, etc. I'm sorry to say, but either follow all the nonsensical rules, or realize that quite a lot about Christianity doesn't make any sense at all and become an Atheist. It's your decision. Choose what you think is correct. Have a good day. Good bye.
Connor, that is an improper understanding of how to read the Bible. Christians aren't Jews (although some Jews are Christians). The Bible is 66 different books compiled over millennia, and really only the New Testament is "enforceable" to gentiles (non-Jews). The book of Romans explicitly tells us NOT to live by the law, but rather by the Spirit. The Old Testament is valuable context to explain how we got here and what led up to what Jesus did including prophecy foretelling his arrival, but the laws you speak of apply to the ancient theocracy of Israel, not Christians.
I doubt anyone, let alone my target audience will see this, but there is nothing wrong with being lgbt. It is impossible to change who you’re attracted to, or the way you feel about your body. I understand that these people love to hate on queer people, but their opinion of you does not change one simple fact. You were born with infinite dignity, value, and worth, and nothing can take that away.
Why am I watching this video if I disagree with them?
The internalized homophobia and transphobia. I’ve tried to change. Many, many times. I have not succeed in the least.
Someone once told me, “it’s your relationship with god, not the church.”
Take this as you will
First of all: We don’t hate the people, only the sin involved. You’ve tried to change but you couldn’t, so perhaps you should consider reading the Bible if you haven’t, and praying to God as well. Because in Him and only Him alone can he truly help you. I promise that if you give Him a chance that he can change you for the good.
@Viktor Petrov that argument is useless. Obviously being attracted to children is wrong. I know that. That is because children cannot consent. Your argument about “they are responsible for acting on it” can just as well be turned around on you as a heterosexual male. So when someone is falling in love, feelings and emotions play no part in that? My guess is you’ve never been in love. Feelings and emotions are literally what make you fall in love 🤣 Reason and reality also play a part in falling in love, yes. Reason, to be able to look beyond just your feelings in order to see if the person is actually right for your and in order to see past manipulation that may occur, and reality. You need to present in this reality in order to fall in love. You cannot fall in love if the reality inside your head is so drastically different from the reality of this world.
I do agree that queer people need to seek help. They have received so much hate and some even murdered for not being able to change who they love. You straight people aren’t being killed for being straight. You Christian’s aren’t being killed for your religion. Some of you are, but nowhere near the numbers and severity that you make it out to be. I bet most Christian’s killed are not killed for their faith but for the way they treat others. The violence that exists today towards LGBTQ people, and POC for that matter, disgusts me. The color of peoples skin, of who their attracted to, doesn’t affect you. Gay marriage isn’t going to get rid of straight marriage. The LGBTQ community isn’t trying to erase straight people. They’re trying to get equality.equal treatment, because they are just as much human as anyone else.
Bizarre desires?
How so? Just because you don’t know what it’s like doesn’t automatically make it bizarre. You know what’s bizarre? How well over 500 species also practice homosexuality. Yet in only one species are their killed and raped for it. Can you guess which one? You guessed it! Humans! I don’t care what you believe, that doesn’t give anyone a right to rape, kill, hate crime, or harass anyone you please. Let alone shove your Christianity down our throats because you think we need to be fixed.
@@That1Guy112 I promise you that god cannot change me. You have not seen the countless hours I sobbed in pray begging him to change me because I so desperately believed there was something wrong with me. I have read the Bible, and I’m trying to slowly work through it deeply before I reside on my faith for myself, as I am currently agnostic. I just prayed the other night in fact. Just about my day. Asked god to give me a dream (which, when I was Christian, he seemed to follow through on more) about a girl I like I may like. That that if he did, it would mean that it’s was him who made me this way, and that there is nothing wrong with it. And he did. And before you say anything against it, he always answered when I asked for a dream about his second coming. That if was coming back, if he would give me a dream. Hell, he would give them without me asking 🤣
“Love the sinner, hate the sin”
I hate this phrase so much. It is so incredibly toxic. This phrase seems to spread love to the person, but it actually spreads hate. This phrase tells the person, that whatever it is you’re talking about, you hate the part of them that does that or feels that. It delivers a message that the person must stop immediately because it is so incredibly wrong and they’ll burn for all eternity with no escape. Like being LGBTQ or having premarital sex (which isn’t as bad as you make it out to be. I can plain more if you’d like). But these things are not wrong if they are don’t consensually. In fact, they aren’t even the same thing. If they are done unconsensually, that’s rape. Not sex or gay sex. Rape. And I don’t know what you believe to a T, but rape is wrong. Which, correct me if I’m wrong, but the Bible never condemns rape. Pretty bizarre to me.
@@ffrostedblakess I don’t understand how the phrase that I presented is “toxic.” What that means is that even though I don’t love the sin, I won’t condemn the person for it. It’s not saying I hate a part of that person at all, because that is not what us Christians believe in. Also, dreams have more meaning than you think. After all, Joseph was able to interpret pharaohs dreams which had an interesting meaning. Also, even though the Bible never explicitly states that rape is wrong, we as a people still define it as wrong and you can be given long sentences for doing such an act. This is because of our moral standards, and knowing what God days is sin gives us enough understanding to realize that God would say that rape is wrong because he never intended for that to happen.
You're absolutely right, do not even try to change for these people, you are who you are. There's nothing wrong with that. I do hope there are no people in your life who think homosexuality is a sin and you should change, especially your family, not anymore at least.
Great words spoken here ..... The church needs to wake up from its sleep and be the salt and light
Marino2duper Not really. The church needs to stay asleep. Or maybe in a coma. Or maybe just die.
LOL BUT WE CAN STILL GET MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS AND LEAD FULFILLING LIVES AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! YOU LOSE!
Be the salt and Light by hating people that were born a certain way? Yup. You are definitely not preaching the God of Love and Peace.
No. The church needs to stop sticking its nose into the lives of gay Christians and leave them alone.
Speaking as a Christian, I agree with you.
I think Christian's forget they don't belong to themselves but God. Reference scripture [Corinthians 6:9-20]
I just want Christian's to be bold like Paul was, no chance for games. Let no one full you, repent your sins and turn to God. Let's all stop interpreting the word of God our way. The Bible is very clear.
when god has a conversation with you then you can tell people what was said