How Can Homosexuality Be Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Voddie Baucham, J. D. Greear, and Russell Moore discuss one of the most complex and pressing questions of our day for Christians, "How Can Homosexuality Be Wrong if it Doesn't Harm Anyone?".
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I'll just end my two cents with saying this: it doesn't matter how you were born, but you must be born again.
You know the God that you worship said that it's okay not just to own slaves but also to beat them, right? Exodus 21:20-21, Leviticus 25:44-46.
It also says a permanently injuried soace was to be set free.
+Patrick MC Yeah, it also says that in the old testament. Come back when you have a violent verse in the new testament.
Oh so the God speaking, giving those instructions to Moses to pass on to his people has nothing to do with the God you believe in?
+Patrick MC - Read, think, comprehend and read some more.
*"The heart is deceitful above all things" Jeremiah 17:9*
@James Brashears more than once, it's stated that the heart is treacherous. Leading with the flesh only takes you away from God and that is why we as Christians are told to lead with the spirit. We all have feelings and desires but that doesn't mean we should act on them. Shalom brother.
Boom Bam BOOM BAM! Amen.
Hahaha! 🤣 Sounds like Jeremiah has loved & lost. That guy needs psychiatric counselling.
@May I halik you?: Insults? No, you cloud your own stupidity. You've proven nothing. You're argument begins with a foregone conclusion.
You have no truth. You're guessing what 2000 year old fables from the middle east mean.
@Boom Bam: Really? Does your precious Bible predict 534,000 innocent people to suffer horribly and die from Covid 19. While an Almighty Powerful Loving God Silently & Invisibly stands by & watches? I predict more will die, so am I a God? Like .... so what man.... Get Real.
Yes, divorce hurts children. Almost as much as having parents who constantly fight and visibly hate each other
Every one of my siblings and I were unable to form meaningful relationships due to watching the godly, toxic marriage of our parents who only stayed together because "god said so". Took years of therapy for us to learn what basic respect was in a relationship. Turned out we werent the only family in this situation. It was the common experience of the majority of kids we grew up with in our fundamentalist christian community that was unsurprisingly riddled with domestic violence and child abuse.
What does that have to do for homosexuality
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 i take it you didnt watch the video. Otherwise you would know why Jordi addressed what was discussed in the video....which wasn't just homosexuality.
@@jaclo3112 You didn't really have Christian parents then .
@@saved217 no, that's exactly what Christian parents act like
To the people who think that being gay is a choice, does that mean when you were young you could have chosen to be gay if you wanted to? If you answer no to that question, why would you think that someone else could choose to be gay? I honestly don't know why I am gay, but I do know that it had nothing to do with how my parents raised me. I was nowhere near a "momma's boy". I was actually much closer to my dad and spent more time with him than I did with my mom, and he treated me just like any "normaI" dad would treat his son. I was raised exactly the same way and in the same house as my older brother, who turned out to be straight. And I was never sexually abused when I was a kid. I never even knew anyone who was gay until I was 17. Nothing about my childhood was abnormal or out of the ordinary. If it were as easy as just being a choice, I would have chosen to be straight a long time ago, because the discrimination and hatred that many gay people face has tormented me for most of my life. Because of that, I still haven't accepted myself for being gay, unfortunately, from the time I knew that I was different when I was 8-9 years old, all the way up until today. I thank God that there are caring people out there who support and understand the LGBTQ community.
@Viktor Petrov
Sweetie, you're that troll using 4-5 burner troll accounts because you're embarrassed by your inability to defend your arguments. Everything you're prattling on about, you've already lost numerous times over, and you just keep repeating it. Why are you so obsessed with the attention of gay men, troll? Hmmm? Is it internalized homophobia because you're gay and this is the only way you can interact with gay men?
@Viktor Petrov so are you saying that if you wanted to, you could choose to turn gay and be sexually attracted to other men? Do you think you could ever be tempted and enjoy having sex with men, and have the desire for that kind of relationship? If you think that you could never have the desire to be with a man and enjoy having sex with men, that means that your sexual orientation probably isn't something you could ever change, no matter how badly you wanted to be gay. What do you think causes homosexuality? Like I said before in my comment above, I don't know what the cause was in my case. I have never really believed the argument that gay people are "born that way", but I am sure that your sexual orientation isn't fluid, and that it will never be possible for me to find women sexually attractive, even though I would give my right arm to be straight.
@@djhutcherson6761 I don't recommend engaging with him, he's just making assertions and playing games, not worthy of your time.
@Viktor Petrov Sin is a choice. The fact that being gay is not a choice proves it's not a sin.
@Viktor Petrov "It's a choice. All sin is a choice."
1. There is no "sin".
2. Your silly list of rules has little to do with real morality.
3. Who you are attracted to and the strength of that attraction is the result of very complex biology and physiology and is NOT a choice of the individual.
I like "we are in the world but not of this world." That helps me a lot.
@yellowleaf Ohhhh. Thank you for sharing that. I find myself getting caught up in the wordly ---can I say "crap?" Like you said, "built on sand."
I appreciate your post. I hope you have a good, positive, productive day.
@yellowleaf I respect your search for truth and your study of the Bible.
I am intrigued by the people who so adamantly refuse to believe. Like you, I pray for them, and hope they find some peace somewhere. I
In your opinion, Yellowleaf, what makes some atheists so angry? Some atheists don't seem to even think about God and don't seem to care. It is the angry, vicious atheists who intrigue me. Why are they so angry about something in which they don't believe?
We're ambassadors part of a Kingdom not of this worldly flesh mentality. So as we live in the spirit we see God's laws and love.
@@yaheard215 I like "not of this worldly flesh mentality. It's interesting to me how different I feel being a Christian. Do you feel that?
Yes, its another way saying we are full of bullshit.
People don’t preach it because they fear their church attendance will shrink.
Correct. Same reason they dont preach that divorce is not allowed by God bc only death breaks the marital Covenant. AND, that remarriage after a divorce while the original Covenant spouse is still alive puts one into CONSTANT ADULTERY.
Therefore their incoming money will shrink.
..and or they in it themselves. It's all fornication and adultery (some cases). The church will continue to struggle to have conviction and deliverance because we not addressing the real sexual issues on a spiritual level. Flee fornication is easy to say but can we expound on why. Amen Luie
@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 infidelity also breaks the covenant
@@Shield60 No it doesn't brother. Sorry that's a man made myth. Read the following verses for proof...
Mark 10:9
Romans 7:1-3
1 Corinthians 7:39
The question isn’t about marriage though, it’s “How can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone” as a gay atheist who wouldn’t get married, you’ve just skimmed over the whole question by banging in about same sex marriage rather than the sexuality itself.
You are denying yourself a happy life, in love with somebody else, having a family, children to raise..because your faith makes you think you’re an abomination - you are not. You are loved and would still
be loved for accepting yourself. You are enough, even without somebody else telling you that you are.
@@breakingboundaries3950 you don’t need a partner nor children to have a happiness. If they don’t want that, then they don’t have to. Not everyone desires a family or romantic relationships.
@@christworks3458 well of course if somebody doesn’t want that they shouldn’t feel pressured to, but neither should they be pressured not to do something they do want to do.
😂😂😂
As a gay cancer patient, I have to ask what the hell makes Christian think they have the right to force gay people to live and die alone?
I ask this because people with partners in cancer wards are more likely to survive than those who don’t have partners.
Why should my religion dictate the lives of others?
It's not dictate gadha
If they follow the same religion
AcerMaple72
"Why should my religion dictate the lives of others?"
Go tell that to the Right-Wing Conservatards. They want their interpretation of Christianity to dictate the lives of others and take away their first amendment rights (especially freedom of speech, freedom of choice, separation of "church" and state, freedom of and from religion, etc). I'm a Center-Left Christian, and I can tell you this, If the Right-Wing Conservatards had their way, society would regress back into the Dark Ages, and everyone except for the Right-Wing Fundies (non-Christian religious people, Atheists, progressive Christians, etc) would be jailed, beaten, tortured, killed, burned at the stake for questioning, disagreeing with, or rejecting Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology. They already started bringing fascism to America, taking people's basic rights away, and attempting to dictate the lives of others like banning sex education, birth control, safe and legal life-saving abortion for women who were abused by men and little girls who were abused by child predators, gay marriage, gay adoption, interracial marriage, medically assisted suicide for people who are in excruciating pain all the time and have very little to no quality of life, etc, etc. Your beliefs and you values are between you and Jesus/God, it's none of the Conservatives' business, so when they try to lecture you or try to force you to live by their messed up Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology, tell them to fuck off, that's what I do.
It shouldn't
eexactly, religion is an IDEOLOGY at the end of the day, not everyone has to believe in it
Honestly I'm just here to see how the other half thinks. You can't step into an argument without listening to the person you disagree with.
Darn right!
@Mason Moore This woman might not agree with this video, but she's respectfully stepping out of her echo chamber, which is a great thing to do
than who’s gonna talk first?🤔
@@AJCVYC93 thank you.
@@eric-qs8ii doesn't really matter. I'll know how he or she thinks even if I talk first because of this video. I can see where they come from and understand what they're saying.
As of June 2020, Voddie has stood firm on the word of God and has not conformed to this world, but has stood firm on the inerrancy and sufficiency of the word of God for every real world event and decisions.
Yeah now they want to force doctrine on 4, 5, 6 year Olds etc about transgender identity in schools Just focus on ACBs jeez....so sad.
did God speak directly to Voddie?
@@camerong5513 he speaks to us through his word. The Bible.
@@tazzyt5269 so God doesn't speak directly to you. Got it
@@tazzyt5269 I second that!
There are so many problems with this argument I don't even know where to begin
Me too brother, me too.
Welcome ladies and gentleman to the mental gymnastics face off the the century.
“We don’t hide the truth and place it under a bushel” 🙌🏼
homophobics do
@nickj14711 true, homophobics are not even christian anyway.
@nickj14711 yeah, thats homophobics for ya!
@nickj14711 I get ur not educated on the bible but God said the old law is dead now so why are u calling God a liar?
@nickj14711 but I agree......so Im not doing it for selfish reasons
Well at least these people can have a conversation with the most polite manners and cordiality in the world.
Watching people politely debate a prejudicial viewpoint has an odd way of being worse than watching the knuckle-draggers scream about it.
You're clearly a bigot if you can't respect that these people have a different viewpoint than you do. A lot of people think there is something spiritually and/or morally wrong with homosexuality.
Admittedly so.
+Greed777
Rightly so.
Quite quite.
Child marriage is already legal in all but 4 states in the U.S. the attempt to outlaw it is opposed by religious groups, mainly Christian.
So the people in this video will be addressing that right? Will we see videos about the dangers of child marriage?
@Red Skull excuse me what?
Why child marriage is wrong in your opinion though? (If it is mutually agreed)
@@MoLtenMetaL7 What ? Because it's a child. If a child cannot consent to sexual actions, why would marriage suddenly be okay ?
@@gryph346 see but the Bible doesn’t condemn it so is it okay ?? even tho we know morally it’s wrong. That’s why it’s belived a lot of homosexual verses are about pedophilla.
@@marquicetaylor3941 You need a book that plenty of people myself included do not believe in to teach you about morality ?
If you wanna talk about the bible, Mary was suposedly between 13 and 14 years old when she gave birth to jesus. She would've been married or engaged to Joseph, which would make him 19 or 20.
So the god from the bible literally choose a child bride. Ew.
And you want morals out of this ?
Deep respect for this channel not turning the comments off.
I love Voddie! Such a man of God who is never afraid to speak the truth! Thank you brother!!!!
You think this is truth? Oh wow 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sunray9315 Absolutely don't think, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is Truth.
The God of the bible is a murderous thug that endorses Slavery..How's that for not being afraid of speaking truth
@@dignerds Where in the Bible does god "Endorse slavery." I'll wait...
Ditto
I needed this. This is TRUTH. Many churches are scared to teach this. It’s truth!!! Thank God for people who are standing on the word. I have been saying the exact same things.
They are scared because they allow activists and such criminals to dictate and silence our freedom of speech. It's time we stood up to them.
@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 Really because homophobes are the criminals considering many gays get ingured or even die in hate crimes which also says homophobes dont say there point they hurt people to get there point across
@@Cierraritchey6969 homophobia,phobia means fear,dont call persons who aint scared bout gays/lesbians homophobes....amigo
@@sadlover8146 A phobia is a fear OR aversion/dislike of something. If you don't approve of gay relationships you are a homophobe full stop no debate.
Agreed.
I love how Neil Patrick Harris was in the advertisement for this video lmao
Thank you for sharing on this subject yes churches should talk about this more often.
this is a bunch of guys pontificating about something they have no personal experience of. why isn't there representation from actual gay Christians in the discussion, people who know what they're talking about?
We just need to follow Gods commement love your as yourself. There is NO exceptions. God bless you
@@ph9687 precisely my point. these people think they love their neighbour, but they're actually hurting them.
@@MusicalRaichu God's Word is the beginning & end of every debate. Any train of thought that doesn't align itself with God's teachings are false opinions. When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. God said, "Neither Adulterers, Fornicators, Homosexuals, liars, thieves, gossipers, murderers, blasphemers, revilers, or idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven". God set down laws, teachings & judgments depicting what was allowed & forbidden. Man was told to 'choose' whom he would serve between good or evil. Sin is not OF God, but sin is OF evil; evil will not be allowed in Heaven. God put his laws into every man's heart, therefore, everyone born 'knows' good from evil. Christ's entire purpose was to remove man's sin nature by teaching him how to stop thinking, speaking & acting AS it is in Hell, & start living AS it is in Heaven by changing his thoughts, words & actions according to the laws of Heaven. When man rejects God & his teachings, he's 'choosing' to embrace the forbidden evils of the world. It's impossible for God to create a man AS an abomination, attach an unforgiveable sin, then not allow him into Heaven. "Impossible"! Man is not "born hated by God". Man "chooses" to think, speak, & act as sins that are hated & forbidden by God. This is God's world with God's rules. The laws of Heaven will never accept sin, nor give "equality" to sinners that has been ordained only for the righteous. The purpose of a life is to know, love & serve God, not Satan. Sinners will never, ever achieve self-acceptance or self-worth; disobedience will prove to be their lifetime adversary.
@@beantrader4723 God's word might be "useful" (2 Tim 3.16) but it's not the end of any debate. If that were the case, there would be no nicene creed, no doctrines of the trinity or incarnation or atonement, no catechisms or hymn books or liturgies, ...
What you quote wasn't God saying it, it was Paul saying it, and you misquoted him. He never mentioned homoxesuals. That would have been impossible since there was no such concept at the time.
You seem to be propounding legalism, an unbiblical approach to morality (e.g. Gal 5.1). Everything God said is based on two principles, to give him our allegiance and to do good and not harm other people. While I don't doubt these speakers' allegiance to God, I believe they are harming people and need to repent. For straight men to pontificate about people not represented is discriminatory, hurtful and harmful.
If you're suggesting that gay people can change their orientation, then you are incorrect. Medical, psychological and religious interventions have been tried and all failed with disastrous results. People died. To persist in pushing deadly ideas is, putting it bluntly, murder. Don't do it.
This men are most to be admired for standing up for christ.
the bible say many many time love and respect everyone these men arent loving and respecting everyone, there more of a bad person then I am because they hate and dont respect a whole comunity but the only person I hate is, trump
I love and respect you,even though i dont know you,this men love and respect you,i have watched this video through and through,no hate in their words,just the truth about Jesus and God,he doesn't condone sin,any sin for that matter,so forget the way you think born,every man must be born again,thats the only way to God,we all must do what he says,if you lie,you must quit lying,if you kill you must quit it and surrender to God,if you are a man and you say you re attracted to a man,you must turn to christ to help you overcome that sin and be free. No hate,just the truth,we Christians don't hate,but we are compelled to speak the truth,even though the media will have you believe the opposite.
@@Nonalhomophobie debs husband says I am curious to know what you base your opinion on? All I have done is stated what the Bible says. A person either believes it or they don't. You can't have it both ways. I have not called anyone names or used hateful rhetoric. Some people get mad when they hear what the Bible says because it exposes their sins and people don't like being exposed. They want someone to pat them on the head and tell them what they want to hear. People can believe whatever they want but it doesn't change the truth.
@@Nonalhomophobie There is everything to admire about them.
Debs husband says you can believe whatever you want but I have chosen to believe God. What God says is far more important than what you, me, or anyone else says. If a person chooses to live in sin that is their right to do so. At the judgement their blood will be on their head not mine.
Let GOD be true and every man a liar.
So you're lying right now
@@katamas832 so are you 😆 hehe
In this life, there is truth in alot of things but God is the Ultimate Truth. Let those who are without God be as liars because they Deny The Ultimate Truth. Because if you Deny the Truth, Your a liar.
When we tell the Truth, We uphold it and Strengthen its Hold.
@@lionbolt2136 No, if you deny the truth, you are either ignorant or delusional. Which creationists often are.
What's the ultimate truth? How do you know it is ultimate?
@@katamas832 Truth is not a concept, is a person, just like love is not a concept, but a person. You don’t know Who Truth and Love is, then what you think you know doesn’t matter.
Whut? "Children have always been brought forth in monogamous marriage"? You should try reading the Bible. Abraham had one wife (his half-sister, by the way) and at least one concubine. We don't _know_ if Isaac had any concubines, but there's nothing to indicate that he would have thought it was wrong. Jacob had _two_ wives and _two_ concubines. Mosaic Law - God's Perfect Law - allows for marrying more than one woman. Gideon, a champion of Israel, had two wives. King David, who was "a man after the God's own heart" had _eight_ wives. Polygamy and concubinates are _everywhere_ in the Old Testament.
Those families from the OT that you mentioned had a lot of conflict and problems in the home. Hence why God said that we should only have one man and one wife.
@@efearioga5117 Where did he say that again? Not in the Mosaic Law.
Also, God really shouldn't have to learn that multiple wives lead to problems. He should already know.
@@Valdagast It says so in the NT (specifically in Paul’s letters)
@@efearioga5117 There is conflict between monogamous couples as well: Adam and Eve, Isaac and Rebecca, Samson and Delilah. There is conflict in all relationships. Just because there is conflict means it's a sin?
I think you guys should differentiate man's will from God's will.
As a atheist I cat help but laugh.... I don't have a shit if someone if gay or straight.. I'm not s pervert thinking of someone's sexual orientation all the time
Then why are you here? This discussion is for gays and straights that DO give a shit about God and heaven.
Same i don't care if you are gay or straight or what your race or religion is
It's the goodness of God that leads men to repentance.
"And by the fear of the LORD one departs from evil."-Proverbs 16:6
I don't want to repent.
@@flunkiebubs2002 - then you must not have thought much about eternity
@@Charles.Wright Well, I have
@@flunkiebubs2002 then your going to hell
UK Christians, how should we approach this topic as were far more liberal than USA, without compromising truth?
Just preach the gospel.
Praying for you sir. Stand strong in the Lord & in the power of His might!!
Mel L Thank you for your encouragement!
Accept the fact that being gay is an innate, natural, unchosen and unchangeable characteristic of the human condition, which God bestows upon some of His children. Teach this truth, and you will be on the right path!
Preach the truth in love. Preach about God and His love. It's difficult to understand the things of God if you don't fully understand God Himself. Hypocrisy and history have caused a skewed perception of God, represent Him correctly and rely on Him.
I also encourage you to read books by Ravi Zacharias, one of the leading apologists out there. Check out his RUclips videos too!
When the bible says homosexuality is wrong but fails to condemn pedophilia, I cannot consider the bible to be a moral guide.
Or when it approves of slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, pillory, terrorism, misogyny, and discrimination against handicapped people. Yeah, it's not a good "moral" guide at all.
the bible does NOT say homoxesuality is wrong. it's just people have convinced themselves it does.
Mark 9:42
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.
@@MusicalRaichu Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
@@virtuoussoulhealer3644 if homoxesuality was wrong, you'd expect it say "men don't lie with men" and "women don't lie with women". it says neither.
the hebrew is unclear but the conventional rendering says not to use a man or boy like a woman in bed. under patriarchy, women were considered inferior, so a male taking a woman's role was denigrating.
regardless, haven't you heard we no longer follow the OT law? the news went out 2K years ago, I'm surprised you haven't heard.
One of the things they say about starting a family , is that you can adopt because there are enough children to do so , if a family wants to be started
I think that half of these commenters didn't even watch this video.
David Hudgins It's really hard to get through when you want to yell at the screen.
I do yell at the screen.
David Hudgins there's no god
It is okay to be gay
It is okay to act on your 'gayness'
And now over 4 years later Voddie's words have proven to be prophetic
Brazilian Goddess was that supposed to and 2 weeks later your words have proven to be stupid
@Brazilian Goddess lol ridiculous. You might as well say "you worship a literal lamb, because Jesus is called a lamb many times" twisting words and scripture doesn't do you any favours
@Brazilian Goddess that's King David talking about after an invasion, and he is angry. That is not a command from God. He is speaking out of what happened to the Israelites and that they would feel the same pain.
Honestly, you might as well say "the bible says Jesus is a lamb, therefore Christians worship animals". I doubt you think Christians really believe God tells them to do that.
I can't change your hatred of the way the bible puts things, such as the flood for instance. But I pray you do seek after the truth
@Brazilian Goddess exactly. Npw you understand, to just say 'impossible' to everything. the Bible also says God made the world in 7 days, that's impossible!! Says God loves you, impossible!
@Hineni John3:16 Let her/him be - he/she is trying to create a debate where there is none - nobody is as blind as those who do not want to see. He/She is just a sign of society so dont judge ignorance.
As long as there’s been human history, people have raised children within groups and practiced polygamy. Claiming humans have always been monogamous between one man and one woman is completely false. Colonialism & Patriarchy wants to believe that’s true, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
"And a hearty amen to that"
I’m so glad the internet wasn’t around when I was confused about my sexuality
Meaning
@Jarhe Hunkkuhll your comment shows how full of satan, your father, you are
@Jarhe Hunkkuhll no it’s not
Wow. This was a really great conversation. I have a short attention span and I actually sat through the discussion seamlessly.
Nick Jones um okay
The "wait to have children" is that precious children take so much of a young couples time (travel, going out with friends, sex etc) and introduce many difficulties to a brand new marriage. Waiting is fine. Children are a blessing, but let's be real.
Yes I agree 🙏🏽
God said, "All children belong to me". These fornicating slugs that jump into bed with anyone for sex & make babies should be imprisoned. ALL parents should have been trained by their parents (& their parents etc) the instructions of God's teachings, commands, & judgments that are set down in the Bible so that these Heavenly laws are instilled into the growing child to be passed on to every generation AS GOD INTENDED. This would turn the tide of the evil in this world that predominates over good & Godly intent.
So near the beginning of the video let's say starting at 2:30 . It is private it's not harming anybody it is a civil rights issue and it won't harm the church because you are to separate church and state. His argument for this is that you don't separate church and state and it will start harming the church. And in no popular opinion is it OK for an older gentleman to be with an underaged person. He's trying to use sensationalized examples to exaggerate a point. Even if it was a popular opinion we have a standard for age of consent. Also for him to say later on in the video that's how the the world is a ridiculous statement is a bit of a hypocritical statement. . back in biblical times it was OK for a much older gentleman to be with somebody 12 or 13. It was OK to start your family at that age in back then if you didn't start your family at that age you risked not starting a family at all. times were different back then but according to him you can't use the phrase that's how the world is. Because that is "ridiculous"
Each time I think of America, Babylon comes to mind but I thank God for men like Voodie
Babylon!?? More like Sodom and Gomorrah!
Just waiting for the brimstone nd fire, Bless Jesus for saving us
More like spiritual Egypt,
and Sodom and Gomorrah.
Jude.1:
Sodom and Gomorrah was a Example what will happen to the ungodly people,
the wrath will come on the children of disobedience
Wow! My pastor says the same thing!!!
If u don't live here be thankful. Bc I do and I'm in agreement with you. I hate it, but on that note I can also say I see all the things done in America all across the entire world. Maybe not as prevalent as here but just the same. Sin is in every part of the world. America just has more of it and sin is justified here and legal more, so I think America is what they talk about in the Bible as mystery Babylon in the end times. Read it, I believe revelation is where it says that. Or John.
I have a question for the religious people.
Sexuality doesn't change as things like conversion therapy don't work and actually severely harm the people who undergo it. This would imply that sexuality is a part of a person, and they were born with or naturally developed their sexuality.
Why would God purposefully put someone on this Earth who is gay or lesbian if it's wrong? Why would He set someone up for failure?
It's a test humans are tested with issues all the time and its a huge temptation god is testing what you can give up for him
@@mariemzobiri5793 So this all loving God wants people to give up happiness and the potential for a fulfilling, loving relationship for him? Why? To assert some weird sense of servitude and dominance? That's one thing I'll never understand. Some people phrase God as a loving father-figure that they have a personal relationship with and others phrase him as a dictator. Do you want to be ruled by someone who has a personal relationship with you or a dictator?
@@eve4685 cause heaven isn't easy it takes hard work and sacrifice for someone to deserve also am genuinely sorry I don't make these rules
@@mariemzobiri5793 Why does this benevolent God torture His creation in hell, or if you don't believe in hell, deny them happiness for something as simple as loving another person. Isn't the most integral teaching of most religions loving the people around you?
@@eve4685 you can love it's just forbidden to get sexual
Though i havent been able to accept homosexuality completely but if we go by the logic that marriage should be accredited by Society, there was a time when interracial marriage too was considered to be a sin.
Homosexuality cannot be wrong because it's right for you to be who you are
@Viktor Petrov that is correct but some people who have parents disapprove of being gay
@@vivianmckinzie8771 He's a troll, not really worth your time
@@katamas832 I know
@Viktor Petrov I’m sorry, but it’s not really worth my time
@Viktor Petrov I was getting the truth about lgbt
It's 2021 and only 1 of these dudes hasn't walked this issue back a bit or try to reframe it.
Which one
@@emeldacampbell417 The gentleman Voddie Baucham, big fella on the left.
@@EGM369 kudos to Voddie, my big brother in Christ. He is increasingly becoming the voice of John the Baptist in our society, something we have been lacking for decades. Great shall be his reward in heaven!
Lol, hypocrites.
Brian, why are you spreading lies and rumors? It's ungodly and gross. JD Greear and Russell Moore have not walked back on this issue. You're being slanderous.
There is no such thing as them and us. We are all sinners. The only thing saves us is blood of Jesus, covers all sinns. My God is strong fortress, I am safe in him.
@Ddot Norreh We must pray for them. Blood of Crist is more than enough for all.
there is no greater us and them concept than the sheep and the goats, heaven or hell.
@saint of jesus Christ a convenient way to dodge guilt and resist personal growth which is why christianity in its fundamental form is psychologically detrimental.
Brad Crampton the Bible is all about pain in life and then growing from it lol what are you talking about? 😂
The spirit and flesh can not meet.
I wonder how they feel now that gay marriage has been legal for 8 years.
it’s easy to say that being gay is wrong when you’re straight and have never experienced same sex attraction
lol those type of people are funny they try to find a hole so they can stimulate themselves it's like if a earhole was large enough to fit their members in they would probably go for that if it was safe. goofy people wanting that interaction 👨💻🐒 its low key sad
@@explodingheart2824 gay people are not different from straight people. We humans found out that we love pleasure, and we're civilized enough to know how to pleasure ourselves without hurting anyone. Your God or your book don't dictate what is moral and what is not, neither does nature.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead '"
Amen 🙏
Wow! .... Very deeeeeep!
where can I find your comment
in The Bible
Luke 16:19-31
Be born again. Accept Jesus as your Lord and savior! There is power the name of Jesus to break every chain.
@Steve Roberts who is your authority?
@Steve Roberts not the God of the bible.
Why would God not condemn homosexuality? It is not in the created order.
@Steve Roberts negative sir. God did not make a race of homosexuals. He created woman to be his helper as it was not good for man to be alone. Spin scripture any way you like, it is incorrect. I suppose you also believe in evolution as well? You cannot justify homosexuality, no matter how much you twist scripture, 2 men cannot created a child. Never have never will.
@Steve Roberts and by the by the way you talk about the bible, God is not your authority. You seem to think you are.
@Steve Roberts If you were a Christian, born again believer in our Saviour, you would not diminish God as you do.
Thank you for your pastor's heart. The truth received and believed does set you free.
What truth?
a bunch of straight guys talking about something they know nothing about!?
Jesus said
“The time is coming when they shall say
how blessed are the barren.”
Captain Underpants said: LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@Johhny Johnstone ref. Please ?
@Johhny Johnstone sorry, your reference doesn’t mention “how blessed are the barren”
@Johhny Johnstone it doesn’t help me because it doesn’t mention what Jesus said
Never in your reference does it say
The barren were blessed ?
@Johhny Johnstone this ain’t my first rodeo
So crazy to see these three sitting together. TGC and these SBC elites would never sit down with Voddie nowadays
I must be late to the party or I have missed something. Why would they not sit down with Voddie today?
@@poppafly635 Rt, what happened?
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@@poppafly635 I could be wrong but I think it has to do with Greear and the SBC being lead into so much social justice and Voddie standing up for biblical justice.
@@carlosc20 If that is the case, then shame on the SBC. If they cannot handle the truth of scripture, then they have bigger issues than this!!!
what happened? tell me
This just seems to be 3 guys agreeing with each other. No opposing opinions
Where did they actually explain why it's wrong?
It's not God's design for marriage. Marriage is to make a man and woman into one unit and produce children and extended family. It's not private. It influences society as a whole. Marriage isn't just about love. You have to look at the long term effect . It's not just an individual decision between 2 people.
@@georgewagner7787 So if god doesn't want gay people to get married then why did god create gay people? Also, don't even try the "they became gay argument because scientifically speaking that's not true.
@@georgewagner7787 Tell me one reason why it's wrong without mentioning religion. Because I'm not religious, so why should I follow your beliefs?
@@laravioliiii2832It's still God's design but nonetheless, nature tells you its wrong. The etymology of a female means to perforate, hollow out or excavate that means her vagina is made for male penetration. With two men it goes where the waste from your body is expelled. Hence why there's so much death and disease with the lifestyle. The vagina is made to clean itself and receive man's seed. It is possible by doing so they can create another man or woman child. This is how the generations are and have been created. If left to themselves, two men (or women) kill their lineage. It dies when they do.
Misspelled Voddie's name in the video overlay. My guy deserves way more respect than that!
"The spirit of John the Baptist's enemy is at work within them, but where is the spirit of John the Baptist in our culture?"
The spirit of John the Baptist is with us today, working to prepare the way for the Second Coming of Christ. So much of this world is a lost cause, and the only thing that can truly save it is the return of our Lord and Saviour. The spirit of John the Baptist is working within those saints of Revelation 12 who are doing spiritual warfare with the god of this world, who is Satan, and principalities of darkness which rule over this world. This is a spiritual battle we are fighting, not one of flesh and bone.
@@EndTimesHarvest the lost cause is you - presuming to speak on God's behalf
That’s just great you have a conversation about homosexuality I never once mentioned anything on how the church can show love toward those who live that lifestyle
Don’t you see the irony in that
“That lifestyle”? I am abstinent but am required to be out to obtain a security clearance. I have a doctorate in applied math. The largest employer of mathematicians is the NSA which require us to be honest about our orientation so that we can’t be blackmailed.
What your lifestyle other than
intellectual laziness.
The people discussing this could have done with someone at the table to discuss and challenge their ideas.
@Κύκλωπας these ideas have been challenged. You just refuse to acknowledge it
@Κύκλωπας
There are a number of things presented that I wouldn't accept without question.
One that stands out particularly is the "slippery slope" argument that is suggested in the video. This is made on the assumption that a "love is all you need" principle is being established through the acceptance of same sex relationships. I see no good reason to imagine this is the case and none is offered. Restrictions on the age at which someone can consent to a sexual relationship would be less appropriate. They would seem to have nothing at all to do with sexual orientation - why should/would they?
I suspect the argument is made in the video merely to paint a broad-brush view of same sex relationships as equivalent to abusive ones. But it isn't substantiated ... hence the interest in challenging it to see if there is any merit in it at all or if it is just invention.
3:14 was a good point, also I recommend Loveology to anyone, just finished it and it is seriously so good! (:
How is lying inherently wrong though? That analogy is flawed.
+gannonscrub
Good afternoon, I'm curious to know why you think the analogy is wrong?
+gannonscrub wait was this question meant for me..?
+Nando Nando what analogy? In the video or my comment, bc I recommended a book .?
Veni Vidi Amavi No ma'am, it was for gannon. My fault, I didn't add his/her name.
I think that when we talk about same sex marriage nobody seems to mention that this question originally arose not necessarily for the sake of marriage as a contract but that in certain countries being married grants you certain perks such as reduced prices on certain services or tax brakes etc. Taking this into consideration there is no reason why gay people should be denied this option which everyone else has access to.
I also understand the opposite view on the matter as well as the arguments behind it and while I disagree with it and can discuss it I will also accept it as one of several views on the matter.
Theocracy is inherently un American why are they trying to impose their religious views on to the law of the land
I tried very hard to change into a straight man! Got married to a woman & had 2 sons & because of religion & Society I was sure I could become straight! It doesn’t work! I even tried to pray it away! It doesn’t work!
It's exceptionally rare when someone steals the show from Voddie.
Wow, the gospel coalition sounds not crazy here
This guy in the middle looks so much like Ryan Reynolds. I was about to say since when did Ryan Reynolds get saved?
I don't think you know who Ryan Reynolds is.
😂😂 I thought so too
Go to my channel. Look in the biblical Truth playlist. Find the show
TEST, TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS..
It can help in the homosexual conversation..
Leave a comment. Also what does the bible say on l.g.b.t.q.+.. find out.. watch the show from start to finish and find out.
Have to confess, I didn't get what Voodie was saying in his first couple of points re: people practising "their religion" ... I'd love clarification ...
3:11 - 3:16 You could say that it doesn’t affect anyone in a harmful way if you get away with lying and cheating on your wife. And that is true. It is still unfair to the other. They may not have knowledge of it, but they could. I don’t really have much more to say about that one. Still doesn’t make homosexuality harmful. Is cheating or lying inherently wrong? Well as I’ve said on my previous comment, right or wrong is whatever it means to you. It is relative. So that doesn’t really help us. Lying is a whole other thing. Lying doesn’t directly harm someone yes, but it all depends on the context of the lie. Lies can be used for many things. It can be harmful, but it could also save your life. I’d argue in many cases that you should be truthful to others in order to build trust and then lying afterward would be a betrayal of that trust. However, not choosing to lie could very well be the thing that leads to someone being harmed. Lying is a tool, it depends on how you use it. Every little thing we do will have an affect and that little, tiny, seemingly insignificant thing that we have no idea of how it could affect anything could end up getting someone killed. Life isn’t black and white, it is very, very random.
the difference is that if someone finds out you cheated that is soul crushing and horrible, while you being gay has no chance of hurting anyone in the future
I have seen this convo pop up in my news feed for a few years and I never thought about clicking on till today. Hearing individuals like this speak like this is peaceful to the soul. God is truth, and Jesus is God 😌
Same!!!
Actually GOD is the FARTHER
And JESUS is the LORD
JESUS is GOD Child
Just like us
And Trout is center field, Jeter is at short. Amen
@@MoonBer
That’s funny, I don’t remember being the Eternal God, through whom everything was made…
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
“There was a man sent from God whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
“The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God- children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
“(John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, ‘This is the one I spoke about when I said, “He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.” ‘) Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”
~John 1:1-18
@@littlefishbigmountain john 17:3??
I agree with everything here... Almost. The "why are you surprised" part, I'm completely with it. Like why are we surprised that in this era, marriage like birth control and pornography and adultery are at their highest when it comes to how many people are affected by those things, even church people?! Why are we surprised?! It's challenging for the Church, but we shouldn't be surprised of their mere existence. It's written. It's supposed to be happening. The apostle Paul warned us to not be surprised of those things but to keep our faith and to continue to tell the truth... So, no I'm not surprised and you shouldn't be either.
What do you have against birth control?
Anyone else notice that they didn't answer the question?
Voddie talking about how this used to be about them claiming "what happens in the bedroom shouldn't be anyone's problem" is right on. We're entirely in the world he was foreseeing. It's utterly demanded that it be publicly affirmed and celebrated today. They've made sure it's not the "private matter" they claimed then.
Bless your heart.
@@GavinAlexander. ...becauuuse?
@@AndrewKendall71 Again, bless your heart...
@@GavinAlexander. What a tremendous point. I'm truly changed.
@@AndrewKendall71 So glad I could help you with that cross you're bearing.
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@Nathan Desta Jesus himself stated that it was because they didnt show kindness to those who seeked shelter...
@Nathan Desta okay, but that just means that their lust in general was bad. Not per se which gender each angel and human had so that wouldnt really say anything about gay rights or wether or not it makes senses for them to get married, right?
@Nathan Desta and in the end they were angels so their "strange flesh" was not human so... dont try to fuck with angels?
@Nathan Desta yeah, I get what youre on about. I dont even think it matters what the bible say about these things since I'm not a Christian and dont believe that it is the word of god or any god for that matter
@Nathan Desta one thing tho. Saying that god wouldnt let the bible get polluted is not really true since it has a lot of other awful stuff in it(slavery, genocid etc that he orders his people to commit) so I dont really see why homophobia would be out of the question. Unless you think these things are A okay
Remember when TGC still let Voddie in their videos?
I'm not familiar with the news
What happened?
I have been told that men misinterpreted the bible, and it really doesn't say that homosexuality is a sin. Also, they now have their own Bible. New Queen James Bible.
Just know that if you hide it doesn't go away.
Great video! I pray it ministers to whoever responds!
‘You shouldn’t be gay’ doesn’t really help somebody who is already confused and feels different. Arrogance and ignorance to the highest degree.
@@StuartFuckingLittle not quite sure how this comment relates to my comment
@@elizabethc9843 RUclips literally keeps adding my comment to the wrong comment lol
Only the gullible would respond
I love love love pastor voudie.... Amazing
To quote reinhardt bonke when you put gas in your car do you put it in the tank or the exhaust? God made adam andceve not adam and steve needi say more?
So tell us Voddie, which church is more of a pillar. Oh, the ones you approve of, of course.
You did not answer the question about what is harmful in homosexuality. You present it as a commandmend, not to engage in it. OK. That is true. Its in the bible. What is confusing is, that with f.e. murder or theft, it is obvious why this is wrong and how it harms people. But what harm does it, if a tiny percentage of gays marry each other or have sex in the first place?
As long as christians cannot come up with arguments parallel to the bible, they will not convince people. And it is possible, that the anti-gay rules are outdated. Maybe they made sense in ancient times, bc back then it was a means to distinguish from heathen cults and societies. Just like animal sacrifieces and weird rules about how to corporal punish your slaves and that you should stone your kids, if they dont obey. Is there any conclusive argument, why this rule should still apply in the 21st Century?
Here’s some arguments I can think of, some are devil’s advocate:
-Some ancient philosophers like Plato condemned it because he considered it to be an act of pure lust since it could not result in procreation.
-Gay subcultures tend to be highly promiscuous. The average number of partners a straight man will have in his lifetime is 7, for a gay man it’s 50. This is also a high contributing factor to the STD epidemic in the gay subculture as well.
-Gay subcultures tend to encourage hedonistic lifestyles with not a lot of moderation. Drug use is rampant as is unbridled kink practices.
-Many ancient philosophers (and some modern ones) believe engaging in same sex attraction long term makes men effeminate or keeps them from becoming fully masculine. An understandable anxiety if you lived in an ancient tribe because in those days if your men weren’t manly you got conquered by your neighbors.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 Thank you. These are valid arguments. I heard about the STD-aspect and it seems a real problem. The only problem that remains now is, how they can deal with it. Bc Celibacy seems not very realistic for most men. Even Jesus and Paul agreed to that. What should they do - being not interested in women? So called "conversion-Therapies" seem to do a lot of harm to gay people and not work out. Any idea about that?
@@petervonbergen5364 A decent question. One more argument against it I can think of is that for submissive men in gay relationships, they will inevitably receive anatomical damage since the male body isn’t designed to be penetrated. As they age, this often makes them incontinent.
I’d say that the idea that sexuality can never be changed is a pretty modern idea. The very term “straight” comes from “the straight and narrow.” This term originated from the phenomenon of gay men stopping their behavior and “going straight”, which apparently happened a lot in the past before our culture pushed this idea that it never happens. Amusingly, the term “straight” used to refer to a gay individual who had chosen to stop engaging in that behavior.
Tastes change. I used to love peas as a kid, now I hate them. I used to hate carrots, now I love them. Anything is possible.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 I am no expert on this. But all I read about studies and research points in the direction, that it is a given if you are gay and that it cant be changed. Some christians claim that, but its very likely that they just live in denial, because many victims of "conversion therapy" have admitted that they pretended to be straight now bc of the social pressure. That cant be good, if it leads to forced bigotry. The argument, that in former times it was seen that way is not very strong. In former times, people knew literally nothing about psychology and science. They believed the earth is flat. I have seen the testimony of many gay men, who claimed to have been always that way, as long as they can remember.
I admit this is not a comfortable view for christians. But should we not be honest more than apologetic?
Imagine christians - who ought to love their next like themselves - terrorize and invalidate people, who literally have no choice. They can either live as shamed outsiders or deny who they are. Isnt that horrible? Sadly we have no direct word from the lord about it. And Paul admitted that he offered his personal opinions concerning these things and always pointed out, if it is somehting directly from God that he speaks about. Is it possible, that Paul was a child of his time and just judged it as bad, bc everybody did?
On the other hand, the anal health issues are really disgusting. That cant be the way either. I am still confused about the issue.
@@petervonbergen5364 I don’t personally buy the idea that behavior can never change, and even if certain desires don’t change, every one of us deals with our own temptations and inclinations. This doesn’t give us free reign to engage in all our temptations. Some are prone to alcohol abuse and so take steps to avoid it. Some are more prone to violence and so try to keep themselves calm with various methods. Some of us suffer with depression and so go to therapy. Even if it were true that our base desires don’t change, our chosen behavior certainly can.
For example, I’ve had same sex encounters before, but I don’t consider myself gay and I haven’t had an encounter in years now, because I simply chose not to pursue them, combined with prayers for the strength to do so. Am I permanently changed? The temptation sometimes appears, but my behavior has definitely changed on that front and if it happens again I will repent and seek forgiveness as we should all do whenever we fall short.
If we don’t believe that anything is possible with God then we’re saying he’s not all powerful, and if he isn’t, why would he be worthy of worship?
If marriage is thought to be a religious institution then it should be separate from the state.
Wrong.
Lol i love this 😆 in a good way
@@dove6069 No, you are wrong. There are thousands of religions and all members of each faith truly believe in their religion. Our society will fall apart if we do not separate church from state. It is unfair and dangerous.
Marriage is a legal institution, not necessarily a religious one.
@@devinligtelyn915 I agree!
At 4:22, you want to revisit the claim on not monogamous. Many would argue differently..
Violent video games aren’t hurting anyone but I know they aren’t good for me. I really struggle with that. I don’t feel well after a long violent gaming session. It’s a subtle change in me but I can feel it.
You just said violent video games aren't hurting anyone, then proceeded to outline how they literally and specifically hurt you. So that's a nice contradiction and false analogy that has nothing to do with the actual topic of sexual orientation.
Who others have sex with doesn't bother me in no way. I am not affected by it.
they're saying: we love you, just don't love or care of have feeling for anyone, we'll be ok with you but only if you go far away and live alone forever without loving anyone even tho that love is so much pure and real than a lot of other "straight" love.
Thissss...
I discovered this to be true first-hand. I went through years of conversion therapy, “ex-gay” church programs, followed by years of celibacy. It was very lonely and miserable. Then I realized that God loves me unconditionally as I am. It was the teachings of men that asked me to deny my very capacity to love and express love. My life with God is so much deeper and richer than it was when I was hating myself out of a misguided attempt at holiness.
@@tres-adames nope. God does not love those who refuse to repent of their sinful ways. You must repent and believe the gospel. No repentance = no salvation.
@@tyc4587 no god loves them just the way they are. It kills you to see others happy and that is why you want to make others believe that God hates them. You are not Gods favorite child. He has helped my gay ass get through times he even blessed me so much. So you can suck it I don’t care.
God loves us soooooo much and you know it, you jealous bigot!
@@tyc4587 god said that to you?
I think Voddie's last name is spelled Baucham
still didn't answer the question. who's it harming? no one. why's it wrong? it's not
@Κύκλωπας what do you mean by that?
@Κύκλωπας i've read a fair bit about LGBT history, what specifically are you referring to and what relevance does it have?
@Κύκλωπας quite a lot. I'm one of them 😅
@Κύκλωπας that gay relationships are pretty much the same as straight ones... Obviously
@Κύκλωπας depravity? lack of boundaries? total lack of respect for ones self and others?
what do you mean by this? these are subjective and not based in reality. who's being disrespected? what boundaries are being skirted? how is it depraved?
So if you have built your family; .... no more sex!!
bro
Deliverance ,Jesus christ is a deliverer 🙏
Amen
You didn’t answer the question that you yourselves asked, “Can homosexuality be wrong if it doesn’t harm anyone?”
I wasted 10 minutes of three guys rambling about marriage and divorce without even actually tackling homosexuality and it’s problems. Maybe that’s because there are no problems and none of you can give real answers without consulting the Bible
Yeah. They presented same sex marriage as a slippery slope to a 50 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl, completely ignoring the issue of whether there is harm in such relationships, as there obviously is in such an unbalanced relationship as the latter.
And looking again, "Can homosexuality be wrong ...", wasn't even the question they asked. It was " *How* can homosexuality be wrong...". It is clear that they started with the conclusion that it is wrong, and are desperately trying to find reasons.
@@djhalling God says it's wrong. Good enough.
@@briantitchener4829 If that's what they thought, then they should have just said that and saved ten minutes. Of course, it wouldn't have convinced anybody who didn't already believe it, any more than it does when you say it.
@@briantitchener4829 I loved this reply🤣🥰
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Two men recorded on a camera, on a social media platform, broadcast on the internet, that you’re watching on a smart phone or computer, argue for the fixed definition of a social institution from a 2,000 year old dogma. Funny how they’ll accept progress in some areas (that benefits them) but not others (that benefits others).
I don't understand the comments about the state getting involved in marriage when the unmarried birth rate was nearly 40% in 2018. Ex-husbands aren't the only men paying child support.
Notice how no one commented just shows u how twisted society is I ask this question all the time under these discussions but it is seen as ok because u had sex with the opposite sex they say being gay is bad for society I’m like have u seem the destruction that heterosexual dynamics have caused there r so many abused children and children in foster care smh but ppl being with the same sex is what’s causing all the trouble make it make sense ppl
@@ellerocvisionz I'll say it here and now. I think some churches pay too much attention to homosexuality and forget that sex before marriage is a sin. Luckily my church isn't like that, but a lot are. This isn't me saying that we should disregard any of God's rules, but I understand that the church pays attention to other rules more than others. I hope I was speaking alright
@@blaqgirlssss correct u r right on the money
@@blaqgirlssss when god has a conversation with you then you can tell people what was said about the rules He has
Great collaberation of wisdom and multiple angles on this touchy issue here!
That's debatable. From my perspective, it looks like a circle-jerk of bigotry and prejudice.
there was only one angle, in an echo chamber, in a discussion of whether or not a certain group of people are inherently wrong and deserve exclusion.
@@lila133 A certain kind of action. All people are inherently sinful according to Christian preposition, and there is inherent wrongness according to any human angle, such as the inherent wrongness of calling certain group of people inherently wrong according to your angle, which is a misconception to begin with.
Can I point out that all sexuality has purpose, whether it follows your beliefs other other people’s there’s a purpose behind everything, right?
Seems Satan saw 👀 the unspoken truth 🤔 at churches & in Christiandom, then gave unbelieving sinners doctrine surrounding the unspoken truth to silence the church.
The sheer amount of hate in these comments proves the necessity of videos like these.
Jan Hertsens Too bad that's hardly the case.
That's some nice ad hominem shit ya got there. On top of that, misrepresenting oppositions position. Nice touch.
You should tip your fedora elsewhere.
Spin? I'm not the one spinning anything. You're blatantly misrepresenting the positions of people you don't agree with. Whilst, may I add, painting them in a purely negative fashion in order to make your position look like the moral high ground.
I won't argue with those who don't start at a rational point. You didn't come here to have a civil discussion, that's clear. You came here to bash and misrepresent the people you hate. It doesn't matter that you disagree, it matters that you won't be civil about how you conduct yourself. You are wrong in this.
So, pickup your fedora and leave.
naa
Gladium Spiritus
Circular reasoning. The criticism something receives , justifies it's existence.
Amen and God bless 😇😇
How did you know I sneezed
Christian really have a problem with keeping their religion to themselves. Same sex relationships has been going on throughout history, you can’t change nor deny that.
[Homosexual holds hands with another homosexual]
Christians: You can't do that!
lol
Wow, how the Gospel Coalition, Greear and Moore have given way to the cultural tides of the day! God bless Pastor Vodie Baucham. He has been roundly criticized and worse for boldly standing on God's Word while so many are capitulating.
He's an idiot. Give him your money.
@@jordanblarson Yes, strange comment from Jack Jones. The three of them are discussing the issue in agreement.
so God speaks directly to him, eh?
The Bible specifically tells how children were raped and murdered for the glory of God *by his own command.* Clearly God is the one who's sick in the head.
You know whose even more criticized, Matthew Vine a pastor who stands on the fact that being gay is not a sin. You know whose persecuted more than the Christian community? Gay people all around the world. You know who struggles to be accepted by the faith community? Gay people. If we’re talking about Christian’s who are more persecuted, gay Christian’s are far more persecuted than any other Christian out there.
Great point about this issue "Not private, but Public" loved this mans whole point, said with power and love.
Jack Stewart that’s a personal thing, doesn’t mean it should be forced on other ppl.
Max Cohen How is it forced on other people. Your religion doesn’t allow you to dictate a persons legal behavior in a public area. Couldn’t the same be said going the other way? Religion is a personal matter and shouldn’t be forced upon other people.
Jack Stewart that’s cute
you are as stupid as he is. he doesn't understand that 2 consenting adults is the standardized. pedophilia and the rest are a different issue.
God see everything and people heart we not to love sin not to part of the sin but to expose them. If you love the thing of this world you become a enemy of god and dont be Lukewarm read more of the bible and pray so you dont fall temptation Ephesians 5:10-13 and find out what pleases the Lord.Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.But everything exposed by the light becomes visible-and everything that is illuminated becomes a light.
It's a matter of how we look on sexuality...I wish that word itself would change.
I grew up with christian traditional views and the focus ln sex is crazy. For the most part my gay friends were longing for companiship, someone to hold hands with!!😊
TCG has changed so much in ten years
Their showing their true colours now. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
So then by this logic.. birth control, oral and anal sex, and pulling out are all sins too..