SAILBOATS | Fix up VS buy new?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- It’s been a long while since we released a video. So much has happened and it’s been quite a blow. We’ve learnt so much over these past two months alone, and this video was just the beginning. In this video we discuss some concerns and questions surrounding fixing up VS buying a ready-to-go sail boat. We hope you enjoy this video, it wasn’t the easiest to film.
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Another tip, I was in real estate and told all of our young sales people, when talking to prospective clients remember the , Wise old owl, shut up and listen. Don't talk for the sake of talking, listen to what you are being told and decipher the facts.
If your boat still floats any surface damage can be repaired, so thats good news. Sounds like the marina is not the marina for you especially if its damaging your boat. To be honest as soon as you bought the boat you should have taken it out of the water to fix it up. Its very difficult to work on your boat while its still in the water. The boat keeps moving, you could possibly feel sea sick while working inside and painting or varnishing is difficult while everything is moving. I know I've done it. I bought my 1973 Kings Cruiser 29 three years ago, took it out of the water for 10 months then had to go back in because the yard needed the space. Still doing jobs in my spare time while afloat which takes ages. Hard work but still the best thing I've ever done 😀😀😀
Study & Research before making decisions. Find a mentor, you can't afford to learn on your own all the lessons in sailing. Don't worry you will learn a lot on your own. An inexperienced person in a boat is not unusual. Watch youtube videos and learn from others mistakes. Take notes of important things to remember. Also note in note-books all the things not to do by catagoty, Docking, Anchoring, Engine/Prop, Safety, Navigation, Electronics, Electrical, Sails, Rigging, Deck Maintance, Hull/Rudder, Storm Sailing, Weather, Rules of the Road, Good Habits, Checklists, Pre-Trip Planning, Departure Check List, Filing a Sail Plan with family/friends, Life Raft, Dangers of Ocean Life, Emergency Procedures & Preparation, Fishing, Cooking, Spare Parts, and more!
Get Organized and use a check list and a plan until new habits are automatic.
Learning is fun, enjoy the human race until you can't breath anymore.
Keep living and loving. Do take care of each other and don't be selfish. Learn to say I am sorry and mean it. Happy people need love so don't forget the hugs and kisses.
Keep your promises and don't ever give up on each other. Ladies in boats set the emotional energy most of the time. People are either complainers or thankful and contented. I don't need to say which group makes a happy crew.
Don't take unnecessary risks. If you fall off your boat remember make sure it is in the water, and the other person loves you enough to be able to turn around and pick you up. If you fall off your boat it will be that you were not wearing a short safety harness.
Fair winds and pleasant anchorages.
YMS, I feel your pain. Wifey and I recently bought our first boat and faced many of the same things you are facing. I understand the feeling of being overwhelmed. Remember what drove you to buying a boat. Remember that. Pursue that life and let the journey take you where it may. Maybe you rehab this boat. Maybe you sell it and buy something different. You two decide what is best for you. We were fortunate enough to meet a retired salty mechanic who lived at our marina, knows everything about everything on a sailboat and we have learned so much hiring him and working along side him, from motor mounts, engine gaskets, sea water pumps to electrical overhaul to haul out and rehabbing the paint from top to bottom. Like you, I wanted to learn but hoped not to have to, but fate chose otherwise and I decided to go along for the journey. Fortunately I do work that allows me to save up a pile of money then take a little time to tackle a project. It would be absolutely overwhelming if I didn’t absolutely love it. Oh, and guess what, our mechanic rehabbed a ferro-cement boat from the ground up. He talks about it all the time and loved it. Not sure where you guys are located, but I really appreciate you sharing your journey. It’s valuable to the sailing community. Wifey and I are planning to move aboard our Gib’ Sea 114 this May, work our way into early retirement and shove off. We would be delighted to visit with you guys. You inspire us. I don’t know how contact you but if you care to connect, I guess you could reply to this and we could figure it out. Either way, just take a breath, regroup, figure out what you want to do and get after it!! SV Genesis.
Hi, I don't no anything about sailing or Boats in general but I have watched and enjoy watching people buy boats, fix them up and live that dream that I guess to some degree we all wish for. But the one thing I have observed whilst watching these U Tube Videos is that you must, must, must, get a boat surveyed and checked before parting with your hard earned coin and even more so in your situation with the limited knowledge you both have, however in saying that, I sincerely hope the news is not all bad and you can salvage both the boat and your dreams. Unlike others that have commented, I cannot offer you my expertise as I have none, but I can wish you all the very best, and look forward to your next video. Best of Luck to you Both.
It took me two years on the hard to get my boat ready but I got it ready don't give up it just takes a little while but in the end you will enjoy it trust me always make multiple year plan it's just reality you guys are doing great at least you're trying the way of your dream most people don't even try they just work but their heads in the sand don't do anything good luck guys hope to see you out there
As to sailing & boat owning experience, once you take a basic sailing course - start volunteering to crew in some nice mellow club races. You will learn a TON that way. You will also meet a lot of old salts who will help guide you with all things boat. Their experience is born of decades of the mistakes you will consequently avoid. Invaluable. Life is an adventure and we learn as we go along. That is why we are alive! Don't let the naysayers dampen your spirit.
Well ferro has some good features like less water noise when sleeping, stability under sail and cooler inside than other hull types.
Repairs to the hull are easy enough.
The Nz built one's are built well.
It is ment to be an adventure so have some fun with it. Just take the safety gear with you.
You can get a skeg keel mono hull and that can be beached easily if needed.
Look into newer rope types of rigging because you can diy it and replace it any place if you have extra rope.
No old boat is perfect. Good luck.
I love your channel. I’m sorry to hear about your troubles I wish you all the best. Good winds ☮️
In a Marina you run lines fore and aft ( spring lines) but in your case you would have to run lines from the mooring post to the bow of your boat so it can't move forward with the tidal surge . Hope your survey isn't as bad as you think .
Thank you for the honest discussion, and anything sitting in salt water need almost constant maintenance and $$$ to keep afloat. Many have found this out the hard way.
We want to be honest and real with everyone so we share our experiences and help anyone willing to take it.
This is like a manual of what not to do when buying a boat. You should have definitely gotten a survey and boat inspection. And if you have zero experience don't just buy a boat and sail off. I would recommend you sell that boat or at least get it out of the water to have a trained boat contractor insect it then, save up your own money, volunteer or take sailing lessons for a few months on a boat you think you will want to buy so you are familiar with it. Don't just wing it!
Best wishes as you work on your boat.On the hard is far more straightforward,try to stay positive,don't take any shortcuts,and don't be afraid to ask questions of people who know what they are doing 😊
Good to see you back. Hope you had a great Christmas and a great New Year start. Looking forward to the next adventure and survey. From our experience listen to the surveyor with your head not your heart. Ask lots and lots of questions.
Sounds like and old story my grandfather told me, Two men meet one has the experience and the other has the money, when they part, the man with the experience has the money and the man with the money has the experience. Good time ,to sit down do some research, get a large piece of paper draw a line down the center , heading , one "good points" , the other " bad points" If the bad outweighs the good. Get rid of it and put it down to experience.
Hey guys, love the video. My wife and I are looking to buy a boat as well, 50k CAD budget and no serious sailing experience as well. But great RUclips channel, keep it coming. Trials and tribulations happen, keep the dream alive. Read the more serious comments and learn from them.
In 10 years time - all of this will be good memories
Spring line is how you keep them moving back in forth
Sorry to hear of your troubles, just wanted to add a 3rd choice to you buy new vs old and that is Build your own boat..... which is the path I have decided to take. I have seen so many channels of people fixing old boats and to be honest it ends up costing and takeing more time then just building one themselves (due to all the supprises these old boats have).... in the end you have a new boat for the cost of a second hand one.... and you know every Square millimeter of the boat..... there is a learning curve, but with the resourses online and in the crusing community (and with the boat designer that you get the plans from) it is very doable..... the skills are not different then refiting an old boat..... I wish you all the best and look forward to seeing how your dream evolves.
Don't worry you are on an adventure.....maybe not the adventure you set out for but it's all an adventure nonetheless! If the boat is afloat there is hope for it. It seems like what you need is education. Work on your boat , learn all you can, and crew for others. Most sailors I've known love to share their passion and are happy to get crew to go out with them. Remember, experience is that thing you get.....right after it would've been useful. Fact is, nobody has done anything until after they go and do it. Don't be discouraged, it's all part of the adventure
P.S. Buy "Sailing for Dummies" if you don't already have it. It's a great book and once you back up all you've absorbed from it with a bit of practical experience you will begin to build your confidence.
These are the memories that you will look back on! We all been at this point once! That’s the boat life, watch the movie Captain Ron! It’s the fun and the adventure after all the hard work!
Captain Ron has been suggested to us by multiple of people. We are on the look out for it
I just found this channel, obviously there are issues with this boat, but what exactly are they? I'm also confused about your mooring situation, why cant you secure that thing? I know you have sold it now, but it would be nice for a little more detail just for learning purposes. I do not have much sailing experience but iam a charter fishing captain and I think that just a basic boating course where you are taught how to tie the boat off and place buoys for protection dock the boat....ETC would be very helpful. Honestly those things in my opinion can be the hardest/most stressful to learn.
Go with galvanized cables for your rigging. Yes time is something we forget in the passion on taking on a new project good luck guys
galvanized. I have never seen galvanized boat rigging. Are you kidding me. Stainless steel.
Yes, nothing wrong with galvanised standing rigging. It is much cheaper and does not suffer from crevice corrosion like SS, and there is no risk of buying the inferior marine grade like many people have done. You do have to treat it with boiled linseed oil every season and it doesn't look as nice, but is quite acceptable on a cheap boat. Eric Hiscock reckoned he got 14 years' life out of his and it was still going strong.
Sell the damn thing - ferro boats are ok if you know what you're doing and you don't (yet). Your mooring situation is a nightmare and prone to damage the boat further. Buy a simple, easy to sail shorthanded, fibreglass boat that's been produced in the hundreds. A C&C comes to mind, or a CAL30. Get experience, then buy your bluewater boat in a couple of years.
If you don't want to sell, or can't, stop work on the interior until you've hauled out. And, haul out as soon as possible so if this is a total loss, you don't continue to throw money at it. If the hull is solid and you decide to go ahead, finish your work on the hard, where you don't have to worry about the weather and your mooring situation so much.
Fitting out a boat that's afloat is a nightmare. You're doing everything the hardest way possible.
A boat isn't like a car or van, you can't just park it and walk away. I don't understand how any company would insure a concrete boat with no engine and unsafe rigging when on an end mooring next a rock wall. It's also appalling for the seller to take your money when clearly you have no sailing experience or knowledge of boats. You are never going to sail anywhere on this boat without years and years of work if on a limited budget. A concrete hull can make a cheap live-a-board for an experienced, resourceful and practical sailing couple, but not for clueless, unwary dreamers (just being honest). It would be best to remove all the plastic and other contaminates from the boat before towing it out to sea and scuppering it in a safe place. Sorry if this sound hard, but better to cut your losses now than to waste time and hard earned cash on this doomed project. There is nothing wrong with being dreamers, you just have to manage your expectations to work with your budget. Good luck!
Sorry to hear about the damage. Weigh down your stern lines in the middle with 20kg each (old chain, old anodes, an old anchor) that way your bow lines are always tight and the boat stays off the dock.
Hi are you two still sailing? Or trying to get going?
Cut off the man bun, its bringing you bad luck.
zero experience and buying a fixer upper? fixer uppers are a challenge for people with serious skills and knowledge..
If it would be easy, everyone would do it! Heads up! You will find a solution to make your dream true! Good luck!
Lessons are expensive but you guys are young carry on you ll get there some day
B.O.A.T. Bust out another thousand.
You guys can do it just keep moving forward
hey guys forget the sorveyer and haul the boat out and keep it on the hard so you can work on it..i would start looking at the haul first and then go after the thru holes and second shaft and bearing and prop make sure she water tight at the bottom first then worry about the top side..hope that helps you guys and be patient cheers
to be honest until you get the boat iinto a dry to assess what has to be done you will not know what you will to do
as for buying new vs used I always find if or when money isn't an issue then new is a better option
as used can be a money pit and a half to keep maintained and ocean going
Since you are based in WA you might want to go down to freo and sign up for a boat handling course before you go out sialling on your boat
as for motors check to see what you got as outboards typically run either on a 2-stroke or 4-stroke mix and builtin uis typically marine diesel
you will not allowed weigh anchor without your boat license
Also note you will be needing a deep water anchorage looks like you are down towards jurien bay and moorings this far south can typically land the keel on bottom of the harbour and given most of the places towards that area typically land on the lime stone blocks ..
A damaged hull isn't the end of the world, it can be fixed. Always remember that you can't buy the type of hands on experience and invaluable knowledge that comes with building your own boat the way you want it.
keep going guys
Step 1 ~ Crew on a Yacht & Go offshore, at night, in boisterous conditions.. If you can hack that then think about buying one. This nice Yacht doesnt deserve two inept owners
Glad to hear it was just a near miss! So scary
Looks like it would make a great live aboard. Not sure how much you paid for it but enjoy it . If it were me I wouldn't put much more money into it. Maybe put a decent engine in it and motor it around. As long as it can motor under its own power it has value.
New boats really aren’t an option. Unless you’re rich and just wanna show off.
Old boats are the best way to start.
A rather big and really run down ferro cement one on the other hand, especially if you don’t know any salts to help you out. Yeah, that’s hard mode.
If you wanna continue with this boat, you should really get it out of the water first. Take the rigg down, inspect the hull and work on an engine. But all in all this boat is gonna be a money pit and you don’t even know if sailing’s for you. Seasickness is real.
Best course of action I see is read sailing blogs/ books, do a course, meet sailors, help out on a longer leg. If you enjoy that, buy a smaller fiberglass boat with an outboard engine. 18 -25 ft. With okay sails, as those are pretty pricey to replace.
You won’t sail around Oz with that, but maybe tow it to Airlie beach, or Adelaide.
Whatever you do, all the best and heads up
Hi guys love your energy, but guys nobody buy a car and drive on the motorway without now how drive, but we buy boat, without having any idea, I make the same mistake that you guys and I learn the hard way. Like others say get a sailing course, they are say that advertise boat that need a crew and they will take for a trip for free or minimum cost. Please think guys you not only risk money, but also yours life's. I wish you all the best.
Don't listen to the negative shi* that so many are peddling in what appears to be reason. I told you, don't take comments too seriously. The quitters have never achieved anything and never will do. Press on.
If you feel sailing courses will help then do them.
Come on its not so bad . Love joy peace wealth & abundance from Thailand . I also am having a hard time finding a cheap enough sailboat.
Enjoy the bad days as they will get less and less.You got to have them to reconize the good days and you will have thousands of them.Value the times you get to work together.At the least your giving it a go.Any one can buy not everyone can build.
Either new or used you need to be shown how to moor a boat and handle the lines etc. a few days crewing for someone else would sort you out.
remember guys ill rather feel stupid for 5 minutes then feeling stupid for the rest of my life for not asking questions I don't care how stupid the question might be...just ask guys remember knowledge is worth a bag of gold
Howzit!!!! .. .. guys next time you buy a boat.....get the surveyor first, saves a lot of money.
Sadly knollage is what you need and dont have , read books on for instance mooring anchoring etc I would not have bought a ferrous cement boat to be honest ,but it doesn't mean all is lost this particular boat if I was you I'd sell, then get some knowledge do a sailing course read books buy a smaller boat a fibreglass boat live on it and travel locally and learn .
you two didnt think about this , well in 2002 in amsterdam i recived the excat same boat in payment , i am a master buider and i had problems,, anyway finished the project , top to bottom , but a boat is not like a car ar a motorbike , there is a lot to do before and after you take them out,, and my partner kerstin said we should name the thing BOAT.,, meaning Bring Over Another Tousand,, and guess what she was right,, anyway kept it for six moths and sold it doubled my investment,, i think i will stick to the motorbikes..
If the boat is not good enough to repair, write it off as experience learned. It is better to spend more in the beginning and repair less than the other way around.
That's not a marina that's virtually an open sea mooring. Best scenario, get it out of the water. If that's not possible scout out another mooring further in with a dock that will allow you to moor on the opposite side to the surge i.e. on the opposite side to where you are now. Find someone who experienced with the best mooring set-up for these moorings. Look at other boats and talk to the owners. Currently, your ropes look like a cat's cradle. Your "bowsprit" isn't compatible with this dock and it may be better to moor stern to dock but that could cause a different set of problems. You could at least hang 2/3 large tires over the stern.
As an aside, try and get some crewing experience in both easy and difficult sea conditions before you even think of going out of the harbour!
don't try to reinvent the wheel when you're stuck and trying to figure out something look for help outside yourself, other peoples experience can be your advantage.
I never saw so many negative moral busting whiney "can't do" comments in my life!!!Forget insurance -its for people that never leave shore,there is no insurance in life forget that!God is your insurance!Thats a good heavy plow anchor!!Whoever bought it knew what they were doing.Don't stop what you are doing!Live on that boat if you aren't already!There may be another one for you in the future but right now God has you fixing one up to learn-it is part of the process!Your bow sprint survived a good test!Please don' t be discouraged! Forget all that sailing course crap--that's what it is! You'll learn!Chad Bligh with NO sailing experience made it to the southern ocean during the 1969 Round the world nonstop race and only quit when the boat failed!Later became a very experienced sailor! Just Do it!.The fact that there are so many naysayers is clear evidence of doing something right!Keep making the videos please but ignore all the negative know it all's truth is they are jealous or too coward to leave shore.
I fully agree with Bob, don't quit. Don't quit !! Quitters never win & winners never quit. Suggestions: Put the boat on the hard and fix it up whilst learning how to handle the boat and sail - RUclips vids are amazing for learning everything you will need. If not on the hard do as Bob says and live on the boat, sure it will be tough yet that is what builds character. Don't quit, what you will learn by pressing on and making it work will be utterly priceless in knowledge and character - the most valuable commodities on earth and unobtainable by money. You are young and have your youth to learn what will keep you for all your lives; if you quit now you will always quit when it get difficult and money offers an easy way out: you will become weak and spoilt, and when a situation arises that is difficult and money cannot fix you will have no character to endure and see the solution. Resolve not to quit no matter what till the project becomes impossible, and press on. Lick your wounds, dust yourself off, and press on. Grit before grins. I do hope you show resolve. Your children will also benefit from strong parents and suffer with weak ones. Good luck.
It's not about the boat, it's about you and your character: you began a dream and if you quit now for an easy money option then you will never be able to dream beyond what money will allow. In effect, if you quit then you curtail your own lives possibilities for ever. Get character.
Moral busters or not, there are some knowledgeable people here that have seen the final outcomes of this kind of thing... You want to learn to fly, so you go buy an old airplane and without any know how , buy it without a professional opinion and then decide to fix it up to fly it..
Flying and boating are very similar in that they are not very forgiving of stupid mistakes and/ or a case of not knowing what you don't know..
Lets say you are out of sight of shore when you find out that the sealer you used to patch a hole is water soluble.. The wiring job you did just caught fire after a few days of chaffing, that the vents for water and fuel take on water in 2 meter seas... Not because you were stupid but because you simply did not know..
Just does not seem like a good way to die...
That is equally true about a new boat. Restoring an old boat forces you to understand everything in and on the boat. If you go off sailing unable to navigate then a new or old boat isn't going to help. Knowledge of the sea and sailing is down to the individual, and it doesn't need saying that you should learn what to do before you sail.
It seems to me that if u did anything of what you said then u r stupid, and if u r that stupid a new or old boat won't prevent your death.
Great Dream, Great Couple, Wrong boat! Imo.
Maybe start on a boat which is a little smaller and then move onto a bigger boat?
Albin Vega 27, halcyon 27, ecume de mer, Sadler 26 are a few that come to mind.
Check out these channels:
Adventures of tarka
Sailing Frenchmen
Great things can be done on smaller boats :)
Your friend Gordon from mon reve ? He is my father in law
Yes, we've become very good friends with him. He's been teaching us a lot and we are soaking up every bit of information he can give. He's been a huge eye opener for us
Cam, is jy BEFOK? Who buys a boat WITHOUT having it surveyed (Only Mad Dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun) in other words "You both really Screwed up here" as someone down further in the comments said "Remove all plastic, tow the boat out to deep sea and Scupper it", makes for a good artificial reef!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where you up to guys?
follow sailing Emerald Steel on RUclips. Get to know the scope and depth of the task you undertake.
I’m envious or jealous or maybe both....
I would trade you in the blink of an eye
The boat needs work for sure - but to be honest you ain’t ready for that either from a financial, knowledge or attitude perspective. Learn how to sail and offer to help others in the yard to learn some basic skills.
Emphasises the importance of getting a survey I suppose!
With respect I think the boat is fine, but you need more knowledge. That might be paying for a survey to be done. It might be getting more experience or learning from someone how to moor the boat. Your bowsprit shouldn't be hitting the dock, the mooring lines shouldn't be breaking and even if they do you should have other lines to hold the boat in place. Doesn't sound like an ideal marina either if a storm is breaking lines that badly, maybe again pay more and find one with more shelter. Good luck.
Have you considered having a man look at your boat? You understand what happens when your boat goes down and you have a manchild as your only help yes? I would never leave the dock on a sailboat without a skilled sailor on board with me...but it's your life.
The sad fact is this boat will not save you any money. Cement boats for the most part can not be insured so that should tell you something. You should learn to sail first and with your skill level get a boat that is sail ready.
you are doing the right things. just in the wrong order. First LEARN TO SAIL. Then read for at least a year all you can about sailboats remembering that the greatest single hander of all time Joshua Slocum was ultimately lost at sea. Sailing on the oceans is not for neophytes. you must Earn your sea legs. Passion is the first step.learning the second.boat acquisition is done after you've proven yourselves. never buy a boat without a survey. 25%of boats for sale are worth Less than nothing!! any boat over 10 years old will have difficulty getting financing or insurance - for good reason. older than ten years you should only consider the finest examples of the best quality, well maintained boats for your needs. Read David H. Pascoe. buying based on features rather than condition can be both financial and actual suicide. My experience - boater for 61 years power and sail. 2 near dismastings, many engine failures. rescued twice. grounded 3 times. two MOB. one capsize. Several near collisions, One actual leaving slip. longest sail 40 miles all coastal and inland sailing.
Willy Wonka Slocum probably wouldn't have been lost at sea if he had a ferro yacht. Keep them of the rocks and there pretty indestructible.
Sell it and buy a fiberglass boat.
You learn from your mistakes
You bought a house
You should have bought a boat.
Get a 27foot fiberglass boat and go sailing for a week.
Sail first , live later .
Ive lived on small boats for 14 years.
No way wluld i buy a massive wreck for a home. Itll ruin your health and your life.
Start small, have fun.
The 3 F’s come to mind .🤔
What a pair ..... they'd be better off buying a rubber ducky and getting in the tub with foamy soap.
Any plans for children? Now THAT would be scary....
panther105 no that would be terrifying lol
What's up with the man bun? Trooper, just shave it off mate.
If you quit then I will quit on you and unsubscribe, I have no interest in quitters or those that rely on money; if you don't quit then I will not quit on you.
Two babies in the wood ,the least you could have done was take sailing lessons
NOT sea worthy....
Sell now, get a Land Cruiser and join your father.
Sounds like a great plan but we want to overland the sea. Maybe one day we will find ourselves in a Land Cruiser
I hear there might be one for sale...
He might even give us the friends and family discount.
Now that is a plan!