BAD Sailboats - What NOT to Buy - Ep 232 - Lady K Sailing

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  • Опубликовано: 15 июн 2023
  • This week we look at BAD sailboats and what not to buy, how to spot problems with a sailboat before you go see it, red flags in sailboat for sale ads and boat brokers, damaged sailboats, and sailboats that will just cost to mucht o fix. How to not buy a sailboat.
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  • @garrettrice7598
    @garrettrice7598 11 месяцев назад +208

    "enough silicone to make Kardashian blush" I don't know who writes your jokes but that got a big laugh out of me.

    • @LadyKSailing
      @LadyKSailing  11 месяцев назад +33

      Hahahha usually people don't catch them but I have a weird sense of humour :)

    • @Baspastoorsify
      @Baspastoorsify 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@LadyKSailingPs new channel is awesome! While building boats i listen to them as a podcast hahaha good job!

    • @lennartbosson4315
      @lennartbosson4315 11 месяцев назад

      Thanks fore a intresting and verry good Chanel👍😎🇸🇪

    • @wahid-lg1kk
      @wahid-lg1kk 22 дня назад

      ​@@LadyKSailing No, you have the sense of humour of a Canadian of a certain age. It's a good thing.

  • @tyrotrainer765
    @tyrotrainer765 8 месяцев назад +22

    Superb! I bought my first boat, an old 25ft Westerly, for under $10,000. Biggest mistake was having an outboard engine; you can't store gasoline on deck safely and easily and starting it was often a nightmare when single handed. Plus rigging; mine was rotten and cost me more than the boat to get fixed for offshore sailing. Get a pro inspection every time, it's another pair of eyes.

  • @3rdWest
    @3rdWest 11 месяцев назад +134

    Best line ever, "More red flags than my dating profile." These are some really good boat buying tips.

    • @hogfishmaximussailing5208
      @hogfishmaximussailing5208 11 месяцев назад +9

      I liked the
      Enough silicone to embarrass a Kardashian

    • @snoopstp4189
      @snoopstp4189 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@hogfishmaximussailing5208 I literally didn't know there WAS that much silicon.

    • @OLDMANTEA
      @OLDMANTEA 10 месяцев назад +7

      When you have rose colored glasses, all the red flags look like just flags…

    • @drx1xym154
      @drx1xym154 8 месяцев назад

      @@snoopstp4189 -- and shockingly this boat owner found it - *all!*

  • @johnalberto7855
    @johnalberto7855 9 месяцев назад +11

    I saw this boat being sold out of Fajardo Puerto Rico in 2021 with a bad engine which needed replacing, I guess that's why the engine looks so clean now.

  • @NorthSideNorm
    @NorthSideNorm 11 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks again Tim. I appreciate how this channel is about helping people make informed decisions when buying a boat. I have learned more about sailing and sailboats from you than any other sources. Thanks again from SV Keeling It! Nackawic ,NB

  • @TheKec789
    @TheKec789 11 месяцев назад +19

    I don't think many understand just how much work it takes to properly maintain an ocean going boat! My dad cruised in a 52FT Grand Banks and my parents worked tirelessly and seemingly endlessly to keep her maintained and as perfect as it could be. It takes money, knowledge, and desire to keep them nice. You also need to know when to call in an expert here and there to help out with a number of things.
    It's fun, but it does take work! Great video!

  • @JP-lz3vk
    @JP-lz3vk 11 месяцев назад +161

    I'm willing to bet good money that the owner has crashed the keel into coral or other rocks and part de-laminated the keelbox from the rest of the boat. That was Expedition Evans' position and it took a ton of work to fix. Also blurring the serial number means that insurance claims can't be checked.

    • @LadyKSailing
      @LadyKSailing  11 месяцев назад +18

      Now that's scary!

    • @markwoods1504
      @markwoods1504 11 месяцев назад +13

      No nothing like that the previous owner had to sell because of an up coming Bankruptcy I paid him a good price . He wanted a quick sale for some reason so I got it for a reasonable offer which shall remain between the two of us. But no broken keels etc I’m afraid to report. I don’t do a RUclips channel as I’m too old for that. I’m classed as disabled so this sailboat is ideal for people like me, I’m walking disabled so when I use her friends come with me and I take a couple of teenagers from either Epilepsy UK or Disability Rights UK.

    • @rosewood1
      @rosewood1 11 месяцев назад +23

      @@markwoods1504 this is a nonsense reply within the context of this specific boat that's not in the UK! Or even close! Any vessel that is being used to take other people out on must be independently surveyed. There are no private deals or bargains. These semi cheap boats are often disasters both financial and real waiting to happen. The insurance fraud is another potential risk.

    • @jimbaranski4687
      @jimbaranski4687 11 месяцев назад +12

      There’s no way I would ever consider a boat without the serial numbers to check various records. I don’t know how the seller thought they could get away with that!

    • @sarahmanalapan8443
      @sarahmanalapan8443 10 месяцев назад +4

      Very possible it was a house boat. bet some old guy lived on it for ages rather than road her hard and put her up wet. But either reality could be true so why take the chance.

  • @user-iy9cu9kk7b
    @user-iy9cu9kk7b 2 месяца назад +4

    I sold my Bavaria 41f from 2003 bolted keel aft cabin sloop etc etc, and bought a 1980 Henry Wauquiez 43f Ketch Encapsulated keel 16Ton sailboat, i love it ❤️⛵⚓

  • @matthutchings1988
    @matthutchings1988 8 часов назад

    Just bought a 81’ MacGregor Venture 21’ from my friend. We took it out last summer for the first time. This year it’s mine.

  • @danvitale1825
    @danvitale1825 8 месяцев назад +3

    I got a survey and the boat was still a lemon. I'll do my own inspections from now on.

  • @Bigrignohio
    @Bigrignohio 11 месяцев назад +53

    As a potential first-time boat buyer (looking for a liveaboard cabin cruiser) I am often ASTONISHED at what I see in the pictures. What is it with boat sellers and taking pictures of cluttered and often filthy cabins? Kitchens with knackered appliances laying around and rusty stovetops? Showers where they store a wet/dry vac, composting toilet(?!), or cleaning supplies? Engine compartments with old standing water? Mildewed exterior vinyl furniture? "Uncle Ed" sitting in a Barcalounger? Even a complete novice like myself can see issues with the conditions of these boats.

    • @paulaus
      @paulaus 11 месяцев назад +4

      I agree, like put all your junk in a box and take it onshore before taking the photos. Simple stuff.

    • @rosewood1
      @rosewood1 11 месяцев назад +6

      Some boats are stolen or do not have clear title. The bilge has clearly been innundated. The keel should never be rusty because on top of that these boats have significant electrics which are located in the bilge. And they do not like salt water. A friend's 54 Jeanneau had so many issues with electrics the keel and keel matrix that it was ultimately written off!
      Be very very careful.

    • @jessiebrader2926
      @jessiebrader2926 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@rosewood1 What do you mean by 'significant electrics"? And in the bilge?

    • @dereksollows9783
      @dereksollows9783 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@jessiebrader2926 Sticking my nose in here and having owned a few sailboats, I would point out that the round bottom, bolt-on keel boats have very shallow bilges. In those boats - any pumps for liquids such as fuel, water and sewerage - and often electric cabling reside in a sub-floor compartment that is only inches deep. Any water in the bilge is BAD. Bilge-pump placement can be a problem in these hulls.

    • @drew6116
      @drew6116 9 месяцев назад

      Maybe that was after the cleaned 'r up and they figured all good! Scary huh.

  • @humai771
    @humai771 11 дней назад

    Where does this guy get all that knowledge thank you for the knowledge and unbiased view of your topic.

  • @Juan-xb1bz
    @Juan-xb1bz 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for a really interesting video, not only in the specifics, but in the general advice of taking a deep look under the surface when you are going to buy a used boat. Also good advice for honest sellers.

  • @lyfandeth
    @lyfandeth 11 месяцев назад +20

    Jenneau and Beneteau also both comply with French regulations, including BRASS through hulls. You'll need to replace every one of them with BRONZE or Marelon as fast as you can.

    • @gypsysoul1719
      @gypsysoul1719 9 месяцев назад

      Brass thru-hulls on all new B and J boats? I did not know that. Another reason to avoid them.

    • @MrSeachaser175
      @MrSeachaser175 9 месяцев назад +1

      I wouldn’t let that put me off, you can get many years out of brass thru hulls, at least ten or more years, usually it’s the below the water line thru hulls that deteriorate first, the above water line thru hulls will last for ever. Yes changing the below water line thru hulls can be a really nasty difficult job, the best way is to undo the hose clamps remove the hose, grind off the exterior flange and knock the old one into the boat, and just replace the thru hulls of your choice. Thru hull hardware is readily available in any good marine hardware store.

    • @hughmaxwell8143
      @hughmaxwell8143 3 месяца назад +4

      I’ve been repairing and restoring boats for 35 years. Stay clear of Jenneau and beneteau if you plan to leave the dock.

    • @espedale
      @espedale Месяц назад

      @@hughmaxwell8143What are the biggest issues you’ve seen?

  • @markwoods1504
    @markwoods1504 11 месяцев назад +8

    Great Video Tim,I live in England UK I have a 2016 Beneteau Oceanis 48 I bought it used at 18 months old it's the best sailboat I've ever had. I'm 55 now and retired so I use my Beneteau from Spring to late Autumn. If I had to buy another sailboat I'd buy another Beneteau like a shot .

  • @stevenperez8157
    @stevenperez8157 11 месяцев назад +55

    Very well researched and very well presented sir. Everyone who watches this video can learn from this. It’s human nature to become swept up emotionally with certain purchase decisions (your first home is a great example). One can easily become completely blind to the hair on the object of one’s desire. Having a neutral third party to talk to is worth every penny and every minute spent on an unbiased review.

    • @Torro777
      @Torro777 10 месяцев назад

      Though the same

  • @raireva4689
    @raireva4689 11 месяцев назад +4

    Good video presenting critical thinking needed to buy an older boat. Thanks

  • @AlittleSAILING
    @AlittleSAILING 9 месяцев назад +18

    As a first time boat buyer, I am sooo thankful I got a full survey (in water and out), and I would highly recommend getting one! That being said, the extensive survey still missed some things. What was missed in the survey was made up for by the fact that I was looking for a very solid potential Bluewater boat and found one. So I think it’s really important to know where you want to sail and buy a boat for those conditions.

    • @igorcherpak5966
      @igorcherpak5966 7 месяцев назад

      I can add that it's very helpfully to read Nigel Calder, Dave Gerr and other professionals, also visit marinas were boat owners working with their boats and ask them questions, I'm sure you'll meet their real "Sea wolves" who will teach you a lot about boats.

  • @rossfinlayson1027
    @rossfinlayson1027 11 месяцев назад +4

    I have a 42ds and they are great boats, ours is a 7' draft having sailed from the uk, and round the Caribbean, this year we went through the Bahamas, yes its tight In some sports but we never had an issue.

  • @jacobuszwanenburg1629
    @jacobuszwanenburg1629 11 месяцев назад +7

    I listened to your advice about this subject
    A few more also.
    I now liveaboard a nice beneteu in Grenada. It’s a year 2000.
    Ya maintenance is always a thing but overall she’s healthy
    No major costs at this time. I have a truck camper at home in Alberta. I sat in that and told myself imagine living in this space outside is water , deep water lol
    No thanks I need a bigger boat , but not too big , 38’ ahhh stretch out walk around and it’s an awesome treat to sail so far as a beginner .
    Thank you for these videos. It’s a BIG help for anyone thinking of sailing. Saved me a lot of time and money I believe !
    I was a mechanic for Cat by trade. Not a rich man so I needed to be careful.
    I’ve already met a few that sold everything to go sail the dream. They bought nice newer boats with their life’s work and once the thrill was over the cash was gone. The boats for sale to get rid of it fast. Big mistake. Housing has gone crazy in cost.
    Their screwed , back to work if they can.
    Thanks again for the help 😁

    • @jonunya3128
      @jonunya3128 11 месяцев назад +3

      you're a diesel mechanic in an popular cruising spot. I bet you never have to buy beer or beef if you feel like supervising someone's trouble. smart man, well done you!

    • @A-Pa-s-Plainjane
      @A-Pa-s-Plainjane 11 месяцев назад

      that is a cautionary tale if there ever was one. thx.

  • @nolikeit
    @nolikeit 6 месяцев назад

    A lot of great tips! Keel bolts. Especially! Also recognizing the too good to be true price and blurred out registration.

  • @LorienDrechsler
    @LorienDrechsler 11 месяцев назад +15

    Another great video, Tim! I did my ASA 103/104 on a Jeanneau 42. It was the 3 cabin model and the aft berths were quite small. But I really like the aft stateroom model. That was really nice!!! At some point, I will want your help though. Not just with buying the boat, but finding a qualified and reliable skipper who can help me get that blue water experience I need. There's nothing that can replace hands-on experience, no matter how good your ASA instructor was.

    • @LadyKSailing
      @LadyKSailing  11 месяцев назад +3

      Learn by doing! That's a great point!

  • @Crazy_Worlds
    @Crazy_Worlds 11 месяцев назад +15

    Absolutely essential is to include the steering gear in any assessment. In my estimation more boats are abandoned on passage because of steering gear failure than for any other reason.

    • @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24
      @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 9 месяцев назад

      Buy the boat strip all good parts then scuttle it for insurance monies

    • @n0red33m
      @n0red33m 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24based pirate advice

  • @superbmediacontentcreator
    @superbmediacontentcreator 11 месяцев назад +3

    Good idea for a video. I also do boat shopping as an all-ocean Master and I always tell my clients "love the boat but don't fall in love with the boat." There is always another boat.

  • @willhamp7442
    @willhamp7442 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for this and so many helpful videos. I’ve learned quite a bit.

  • @djabbt4171
    @djabbt4171 11 месяцев назад +47

    One thing you didnt mention is diesel bug. I helped a club member a few years ago bring a yacht from the south (UK) to Scotland, we got barely half way and the engine shuddered to a halt. After being towed into port by the RNLI, we discovered the fuel tank had eight inches of sludge, stopping the fuel flow. We had to rig a temporary fuel tank to continue the remainder of the journey. My colleague hadnt spent money on an independent survey.
    A couple of years later i was asked to help again for a similar yacht purchase movement, i couldn't help, but strongly suggested a proper survey, plus making certain there was no diesel bug, they didnt and same thing happened, engine failed after half way through a similar distance.
    Diesel bug is a big problem with engines using current biofuels, especially so if the yacht has been virtually idle for several months.

    • @colrodrick8784
      @colrodrick8784 11 месяцев назад +4

      Actually the boat I sailed on coming back from a Melbourne to Hobart race 25 odd years ago, had to have a temporary fuel tank jury rigged for motoring. From memory we used a cleaned out 4 liter orang juice bottle. Thankfully we only ran the motor briefly going to/from moorings and marinas . I reckon overall less than two hours total vs sailing most of 8-9 days.

    • @drjzzz
      @drjzzz 11 месяцев назад +8

      It was a problem long before biodiesel was popular. It is also a problem for diesel cars refueling at stations that don't pump a lot of diesel. I once pulled a long black plastic thing -- looked like electrical tape -- from the filter after refueling at a dubious stop. Best bet is to drain and clean the tank if it's bad and always refuel where they pump lots of diesel.

    • @achosenman9376
      @achosenman9376 11 месяцев назад +12

      I can tell you a survey does not look for diesel bug. For that you require a specialist. They get a sample from the bottom of the tank. 99% of modern fuel tanks have no drain point so you must go in through the level transducer hole. After you get the sample report, you pay for them to remove all the fuel, clean it, cut an inspection port in the tank, clean the tank and put the fuel back. You then change the brand new filters that were clogged which prompted the investigation in the first place.
      As the new boat owner, you religiously take diesel bug prevention precaution’s which include Marine 16 in judicious quantities every time you refuel and never suffer from it again.
      Ask me how I know…

    • @philgray1023
      @philgray1023 11 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@achosenman9376And you are right. My approach is, you buy the boat, of course you check the sight glass on the primary filter. You replace primary and secondary filters. Bug will be often be visible at the primary. If you are serious, open the tank port and do a visual inspection. No port, then get an endoscopic camera on your phone. ($70 can save your boat and your life). You carry spare fuel filters, you put a shock dose of Grotomar in the tank with enough diesel to top it up. You run the engine a lot before you set off into situations where you could lose the boat if the engine stops. You have plan B ready at all times. Anchor ready to go, outboard on the dinghy serviced and fully fuelled, sails ready to raise immediately. Surveyors have a lot of other stuff go deal with and will only do fuel and oil tests if you specifically request, and it will be a extra fee for service. Fancy paying a surveyor 2 hours wages to drive to and from a fuel specialist? Not me.

    • @leftyhitter
      @leftyhitter 10 месяцев назад +6

      Yup. Friend of mine bought a used sailboat in Rochester, NY. Sailed it home to Chicago. In Erie, PA the diesel quit running. This was early in the Spring and open boat yards were a rarity. Did find a place. Fuel filter was logged, fuel/water separator was a mess. Had the tank pumped out. Lots of crud and sludge in the bottom. Previous owner assured my friend that all recommended maintenance was up to date. Hah!

  • @laurencevanhelsuwe3052
    @laurencevanhelsuwe3052 11 месяцев назад +1

    I hope you can publish another video with this kind of superb content. Your advice is excellent, and it really helps novices like me to remove any rose-tinted glasses.

  • @danielphilips2226
    @danielphilips2226 11 месяцев назад +1

    As a total newbie that was totally fantastic, thanks heaps!!

  • @keithjmclaren
    @keithjmclaren 11 месяцев назад +22

    Thanks for another great show, Tim! I think your being too hard on the fin keel. It should not be that big of a deal after seeing the keel bolts. Since the keel will most likely fall off during the return trip from the survey, the buyer can just replace it with a shoal draft when they replace it! 😳

  • @1984nighthawk450
    @1984nighthawk450 10 месяцев назад

    this video was very helpful, I wasn't entirely sure what to look for, I mean I know of some stuff but this example is very good and was very useful. Thank you!

  • @darrinhorowitz113
    @darrinhorowitz113 11 месяцев назад +2

    I’ve proudly talked 4-5 people out of buying a boat.
    Like you, I’ve got lotsa stories on this.

  • @Ron-zr6se
    @Ron-zr6se 11 месяцев назад +8

    That boat was not just a walk away from but a run away from boat. Personally, I do not do plastic fantastic boats which knocks out most if not all of these smaller sailboats. Bolt on keels are another no go. I also prefer to deal with reputable brokers and a survey is never overlooked, it is a must and money well spent.

  • @fredkrabach7496
    @fredkrabach7496 11 месяцев назад +21

    I do a fair bit of consulting like you do for local people. One thing that I have come to suggest to potential buyers os to just avoid anything listed by Pop Yachts. In my experience they have yet to be the actual listing broker. Instead, they seem to hijack listings from legitimate brokers then charge a fee to basically arrange a showing with the actual broker. At least, that was my experience on at least 3 Pop Yacht listing that I can quickly recall. Good show and good info as always. 👍👍

    • @bertram46
      @bertram46 11 месяцев назад +2

      That's an interesting comment most of the pop boats I see and I look more I powerboats are all tired and rough and they have been on the market a long time with desperate sellers

    • @dldfarm
      @dldfarm Месяц назад

      But are they bad boats or are you just saying you don’t like them for stealing brokers listings

  • @hotttt28
    @hotttt28 7 месяцев назад +7

    Never buy the first boat you look at!

  • @MHow1900
    @MHow1900 11 месяцев назад +1

    You always do such a great job! Thank you

  • @philipstrachan6212
    @philipstrachan6212 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great video. That owner was hiding a pointy dorsal fin under his wind breaker. There are a lot like it. Caveat emptor x 10.
    Thanks.

  • @MrSeachaser175
    @MrSeachaser175 9 месяцев назад

    I’m glad I came across this video which spoke very highly of Jeanneau, myself and the owner of his Viking 65 which I’m the captain of, is looking at a sailing yacht as his retirement yacht, we looked at a 56 exclusive, which was new in 2018, it’s a lovely boat that was left in storage for four years, so it has obvious sign of neglect, which could be sorted out quite easily, but having now seen this video makes me push the buyer even harder into purchasing this particular yacht. 😊

  • @user-wb7dz5di2x
    @user-wb7dz5di2x 3 месяца назад

    At first glance it looks nice. Thank you for opening my eyes!

  • @Four_Words_And_Much_More
    @Four_Words_And_Much_More 8 месяцев назад

    Another great video sharing lots of useful information. Thank you.

  • @michaelsilva7176
    @michaelsilva7176 11 месяцев назад +2

    Your videos are very informative. Keep it up. Thanks.

  • @ts7901
    @ts7901 7 месяцев назад

    RUclips has helped me spot real estate agents with extra steps; and also how to buy good boats. Cheers.

  • @peterbridge9394
    @peterbridge9394 7 месяцев назад

    Good video, thanks. During the first boat, i wondered when the subject of Jenneau windows would come up.

  • @mfascuba
    @mfascuba 11 месяцев назад +11

    That’s an easy one. Offer $40k, no survey needed. That leaves enough to take care of everything including the aggravation and inconvenience of dealing with the seller and their broker.

    • @timdunn2257
      @timdunn2257 День назад

      And if it's a stolen boat?

  • @daviddecker1994
    @daviddecker1994 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good delivery of the main points, going from positive experience to Do Not Go There Listing. Good boats are smaller boats also with no substitution for Value for Money. Boat terms means - it has to be in very good shape or it will take double the money to get it back into good shapte. Thus you saved the client ALL there money, as it would have been a total loss......

  • @SoloSailing77
    @SoloSailing77 11 месяцев назад +2

    I sure do appreciate your channel! As, I am nearing retirement, and my plans are living in the Caribbean! My plans are to live on board and enjoy the great weather and the good life! Been a subscriber since I found you a year ago! I do plan on living aboard a sailing vessel! I am a seasoned vet, as I race around Lake Michigan every year! Been to Puerto Rico, and I was in love when I landed. I'm about a year and a half, before I reach the starting line, on a body of water, not named Lake Michigan. In 1983, we took a bow first knock down. Talk about violent! I was on a C & C 41. People don't respect Lake Michigan's power! Anyway's great channel!

  • @curtisvillamizar6751
    @curtisvillamizar6751 10 месяцев назад

    I bought a solid cruising boat with plenty of red flags. OTOH good bones and under $20k. Still restoring her 4 years later so something closer to ready to sail is another option most people prefer. Nice video. I've only seen exactly two of your videos and both provide good advice.

    • @jfd4755
      @jfd4755 9 месяцев назад

      Me too I have good bones hahaha

  • @jamesbirkin351
    @jamesbirkin351 3 месяца назад

    thank you for this - the in depth common sense would have been so useful before I bought my first and only boat (so far) - subscribed
    c

  • @Sixbears
    @Sixbears 11 месяцев назад +6

    You really had me at keel bolts. I once looked at a beautiful boat. Even issues that were common to that model had been addressed. Then I looked at the keel bolts. They weren't bolts anymore but piles of rust. Ran from that one.

    • @timdunn2257
      @timdunn2257 День назад +1

      Keel bolts should be bronze. Stainless is readily corroded if air can't get at it, as in the space between the ballast and the hull.

  • @peter_2dogs
    @peter_2dogs Месяц назад

    this is a must watch for any potential boat buyer - thank you!!!!!

    • @LadyKSailing
      @LadyKSailing  Месяц назад

      glad to help! thanks for watching :)

  • @happyscottman
    @happyscottman 11 месяцев назад +2

    I really enjoy your videos. Thank you brother. 🙏

  • @trevor3104
    @trevor3104 3 месяца назад

    Very sensible and enjoyable advice. Excellent video. Thanks

  • @iainMacDonald-fg2ew
    @iainMacDonald-fg2ew 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video expert knowledge, experience and advice will save you a ton.

  • @patienceobongo
    @patienceobongo 10 месяцев назад

    Oh boy.
    I got hooked after seeing a Jeanneau Sun Odessey Deck Saloon 49!
    I know its not the best for live aboard ocean crossings.
    Thanks for the reality check.

  • @matthewlutter3745
    @matthewlutter3745 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for the video. Some great points. One thing you didn't suggest that I thought was it's an ex charter boat.
    Perhaps a new engine as the old one was kaput. Perhaps a rebuild and someone rigged the engine hours.
    Seeing it bashed around and those keelbolt problems as you say, suggests a very slack owner or one who employs unqualified, cheap shipwrights.

  • @RICHTHERAPY
    @RICHTHERAPY 11 месяцев назад

    Great video! I wish I could have talked to you eight years ago when I bought my 88 43’Irwin Mlll

  • @chrisseay9635
    @chrisseay9635 7 месяцев назад

    When we were boat shopping, we were told to take a screw driver and tap the handle around the deck to listen for soft spots. The first one we looked at had a massive area on the deck that gave a muffled thump instead of a sharp thud.

  • @azelkhntr4992
    @azelkhntr4992 8 месяцев назад

    Always good advice.

  • @richardmccauley1540
    @richardmccauley1540 11 месяцев назад +3

    My big red flag on the Jenneau 42 was the stove. The spot was designed for a stove with an oven. Perhaps the discoloration of the interior surfaces. No mention of the title. Blurry registration numbers tells me there may be an ownership issue.

  • @cjgm12
    @cjgm12 9 месяцев назад

    I´d say that the red flags you´ve already pointed out makes it at total no-no!
    Stay clear and find another better one and without any red flags even if more expensive!

  • @leebushen6962
    @leebushen6962 10 месяцев назад

    I actually had that boat in my favorites on Boat Trader. Not a favorite anymore!!! thanks for the warnings!

  • @kevinkeys3578
    @kevinkeys3578 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wonderful expertise! Thanks!

  • @johnsare
    @johnsare 11 месяцев назад +4

    On any Beneteau, Jenneau or even Lagoon Cat, the bulkhead tabbing cement and joints should be checked. This cement may deteriorate prematurely reducing the bond. This can especially be the case when exposed to salt water. Not to be mistaken with the Lagoon bulkhead design issues.

  • @rayager1
    @rayager1 9 месяцев назад +3

    I had a 2008 45DS. Sailed her all over the Caribbean and down to Grenada. Bought her in FL and sailed the “ delivery skippers route”, straight out 26 degrees t o “I-65” and down into St Thomas, 9 days open water. She sailed extremely well to weather. My only issue with her was that Jeanneau/Benetau uses brass valves and tail pieces coupled to bronze skin fittings for their thruhulls. I had multiple failures of tail pieces and two valve failures in my 1st 6 months of ownership (purchased May 2016). At my first opportunity we hauled her and replaced all 16 thruhulls with Meralon thruhulls. Never lost a night of sleep after that. I’ve posted on this topic in the Jeanneau Owners Group several times. If you own one of these, keep a watchful eye on your thruhulls and replace them as soon as you get the opportunity.

    • @timdunn2257
      @timdunn2257 День назад

      French boats are also famous for electrical systems that aren't up to US standards.

  • @tomshaner3553
    @tomshaner3553 8 месяцев назад

    Great review, it’s universal, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

  • @chrisfullwood6643
    @chrisfullwood6643 10 месяцев назад +1

    A buddy of mine has a 38ft sim odyssey DS and he has spent a monumental amount of money fixing it all up. I believe it has the massive deep keel as well.

  • @kurthoelter3495
    @kurthoelter3495 Месяц назад

    unsupported rudders are a big one for me, fiddled or dated electronics, cheap stainless, stains, cheap winches, and many you mentioned. a good job sir. k

  • @gregdannels1699
    @gregdannels1699 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you sharing with us this info.

  • @dannywoody5497
    @dannywoody5497 9 месяцев назад

    Outstanding survey

  • @lukecelt9000
    @lukecelt9000 11 месяцев назад +2

    VERY helpful, thanks!

  • @gerardcaelers9958
    @gerardcaelers9958 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the excellent advice

  • @hippiewithacowboyhat
    @hippiewithacowboyhat 9 месяцев назад +3

    Having lived in PR, I believe the social norm there is to "cover up" any faults with duct tape and paint until something falls off. You see it with the homes, cars, and boats. PR population don't have a lot of money, and in my experience, don't take proper care of things from an American perspective. I simply wouldn't consider a boat from there. This isn't a racist thing, simply an acknowledgement of differences in typical mindset from what I'm accustomed to stateside.

  • @martinleepgg
    @martinleepgg 6 месяцев назад

    Great commentary with your egale eye, thanks

  • @sodune7590
    @sodune7590 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this video. Mostly agree on everything. Just surprised that you mention a 3500 hour engine as half lived. To me they tend to cause enough problems to justify being changed after 5000 hours.

  • @desertfireonlineptyltd907
    @desertfireonlineptyltd907 7 месяцев назад +2

    I was the editor of a Yachting Magazine. Magazines and on-line websites don't make money from subscribers. They make their money from advertisers. This means there's a lot of pressure to give boats good reviews. My rule of thumb was this: If I said it was phenomenal, it was great. If I said it was really good, it was average. If I said it was average, it was a deathtrap. If you're an experienced sailor you probably know a bit about yacht design and yacht construction, but if you're a newbie - pay for an honest adviser who only serves your interest. Don't believe what you read in the mags.

  • @michaelkelly2422
    @michaelkelly2422 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the clues

  • @blackburd
    @blackburd 8 месяцев назад

    I don't know anything about boats, just interested in the concept of sailing on the ocean, and I really enjoyed listening to all the reasons to not buy this boat. Eventually someone will buy it though.

  • @stevecrane4325
    @stevecrane4325 11 месяцев назад +3

    Always be careful with POP Yachts.

  • @henrikpantle9266
    @henrikpantle9266 10 месяцев назад

    I really appreciate your video, such a lot to learn from. S. t. it's so difficult to listen to facts when you fell in love to a boat. So red flags is a good name to that facts. As living in europe, I never thought about keels suitable for Bahamas and US coast. Learned. Ahoi & keep goin' from Berlin, Germany

  • @ejdd3442
    @ejdd3442 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great analysis, thank you

  • @sdufg
    @sdufg 3 месяца назад +1

    i dont even sail but i subbed. you are a smart fella.

  • @bertram46
    @bertram46 11 месяцев назад +2

    Excellent video.
    The biggest situation for me based on what you've shared is the keel. The condition of the Keel itself and the attachment and then equally important if not more is the style of the keel. My opinion for sailing Bahamas is that is a pass

    • @Secretlyanothername
      @Secretlyanothername 7 месяцев назад +1

      I wouldn't sail a boat with a compromised keel anywhere deeper than a bathtub.

  • @jenrdemldeml8328
    @jenrdemldeml8328 11 месяцев назад

    Good information Tim. Thanks

  • @RobertSipes-tf5sv
    @RobertSipes-tf5sv 11 месяцев назад +2

    Former full time cruiser 2 years then part time for 7. I’m in the process of selling my home and 10 acres on a river in the woods to go back where I felt most alive.
    Your content is a classroom for me and is much appreciated as I begin my research in finding the right “sort” of boat for this solo sailor. Shallow draft for the Bahamas but heavy for big waters, roomy but not a slow turtle, maybe a ketch, center cockpit is likely, enough whistles and bells to stay off grid for extended periods and a wish list longer than a politicians stump speech. Yes, a Unicorn.
    When I find a buyer that wants to live on a small farm in the middle of nowhere I’m off to search the east coast. I’ll definitely book a consultation when that happens. I’ll have @$80k to play with. With some heavy exceptions I do all my own work.
    Just watched your video from 4 years ago, I’m pulling and sealing off any underwater speed transmitters😬yikes! I think the worst of instances like that can be when all the adrenaline dissipates and you just physically and mentally crunched. Well done captain.
    Thank you again for you solid content

    • @music-jj2pl
      @music-jj2pl 11 месяцев назад +1

      Where was it that made you feel most alive? I sail locally in South Florida but within 5 years i'm thinking of renting out the house and broadening my sailing horizons. Maybe cruising for a bit and retiring somewhere in Latin America.

    • @RobertSipes-tf5sv
      @RobertSipes-tf5sv 11 месяцев назад +2

      On the water, sailing! It didn’t much matter where. But I spent time outfitting in ft Myers then crossed the gulf. Isla Mujeres, then bounced down the Yucatán, Belize, Guatemala. Spent time in the Rio Dulce than some Honduras. All west Carib. If I were going to settle in Latin America I’d look at southern Mexico first. Bacalar is beautiful and accesses to Belize are easy. Personally I’m looking to cruise the east Carib for awhile and eventually May settle in the Azores

    • @A-Pa-s-Plainjane
      @A-Pa-s-Plainjane 11 месяцев назад

      thx for your thoughts...can you pinpoint the 4 yo video of the underwater speed transmitters discussion, por favor ?

  • @alexmacdonald258
    @alexmacdonald258 7 месяцев назад

    Tons of red showing here! Very good video; thanks for working it up!

  • @billydaniel900
    @billydaniel900 9 месяцев назад

    Sounds like great information.

  • @stevewindisch7400
    @stevewindisch7400 21 день назад

    The biggest worry with "mystery boats" down there (and especially FL), is if they got nailed in a hurricane. Oddities like rust or discolorations in the bilges or behind the cabin liners and woodwork can suggest this because the clean-up and repairs don't always go on in hard to reach places. But you are absolutely correct that it must be viewed on the hard before buying. Blisters are a sad thing to discover after the fact.

  • @JohnRohanShield
    @JohnRohanShield 9 месяцев назад +2

    100k and then spending 40k to fix all those issues might still be a fair price. A 7' keel is not necessarily a disadvantage. Sails can be replaced, the interior can be scrubbed and/or painted, keel bolts can be replaced. So can the oven, which which was missing (what's up with that?). However, the seller's attitude is the worst part. Spray painting the keel bolts is sketchy and paying a deposit just to see it? No thanks.

  • @johnschieffelin3226
    @johnschieffelin3226 9 месяцев назад

    Boat looks like it was ridden hard and put away wet. Heavy wear and tear in the inside, very slapdash repair on the leaking ports. Lots and lots of headaches for a future owner. Thanks for identifying red flag items.

  • @wahid-lg1kk
    @wahid-lg1kk 22 дня назад

    I am more interested in surviving force 12, then sailing an upscale condo. Very good point about the owners method of maintenence and what it can mean. Look at the keel bolts, noooo!

  • @craigculver3039
    @craigculver3039 Месяц назад

    I bought a CSY 44 w/o in the VI and sailed it to PR for the refit. We are now out sailing and in Saint Croix. My boat is the one to the port. My sister's to starboard. Never been on it. Owner lives off island.

  • @Hammerhead971
    @Hammerhead971 9 месяцев назад

    I like your videos very much they have a lot of detail and helpful information. I think you can research the history with the HIN# if the owner doesn't want to give it to you that will sound fishy. 100Nm is only one day sailing, if the owner is not wheeling to do it, that's another red flag. Then I will have it surveyed, it's a little costly but better safe than sorry.

  • @superwag634
    @superwag634 11 месяцев назад +1

    I always look for a one owner boat. Then I talk with them and you end up with a gem of a boat. Pay extra for it but you will save ten times the difference since it’s a looked after boat

  • @bos6782
    @bos6782 11 месяцев назад +9

    I would have been out as soon as they required the deposit to come see it. Then not being able to see it out of the water. If it’s too good to be true it usually is.

    • @olivei2484
      @olivei2484 11 месяцев назад +2

      Same as the reg numbers being blurred. Hard to do the research.

    • @bos6782
      @bos6782 11 месяцев назад

      @@olivei2484 agreed, its a shady deal

  • @paulbrogger655
    @paulbrogger655 Месяц назад +4

    Insist upon a COLD start when testing the diesel. A common trick is to start a pre-warmed engine, masking compression issues.
    Also, learn how to check for soft spots in fiberglass decks.

  • @Orcinus1967
    @Orcinus1967 10 месяцев назад

    Very informative. Liked and subscribed.

  • @Joe-yb9gu
    @Joe-yb9gu 11 месяцев назад +4

    First red flag for me is that broker. I have run across them before. Things just didn’t add up. And it was more than once.

  • @markmapp6634
    @markmapp6634 9 месяцев назад

    thank you for your advice

  • @mykgrauss9872
    @mykgrauss9872 9 месяцев назад

    Good video. Thank you!

  • @dentonearnhardt9891
    @dentonearnhardt9891 7 месяцев назад

    Very well done. That boat has most likely been in some kind of charter and not properly taken care of.

  • @guido.demedici
    @guido.demedici 11 месяцев назад +7

    I like your well researched and highly educational videos. They’re really helpful. Well done. Thank you for your work. Q: what do you think of Bavarias for longer cruising?

    • @LadyKSailing
      @LadyKSailing  11 месяцев назад +3

      A few videos back I did Bavaria. I think Episode 230 maybe