I Made an AUTHENTIC Trade! | Trade Tuesday Season 4 Ep 5 | Dean ML

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024

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  • @Trog
    @Trog  Год назад +6

    This ML was a lot of fun! I really like the color of this one
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    • @RokDAWG1
      @RokDAWG1 Год назад +3

      I’m actually impressed with the sound that you got out of this. I wasn’t certain what to expect from it but I’m definitely impressed.

    • @hybrid_wolf6257
      @hybrid_wolf6257 Год назад +1

      That was my guys guitar. She is a sleeper. He would show it to folks and their faces changed after hearing it. 😵 So we called her a “sleeper!” anyone would have fun with this guitar. We dominantly have Dimebag style guitars and wanted the Epiphone for something different.. and the series 10 is a project. Already swapped pickup, changed knob and it’s getting a complete paint job. 😉🤘🏻

  • @TylerJohnstonGuitar
    @TylerJohnstonGuitar Год назад +27

    That soldering iron on the knobs mod is a definite nod to Dimebag. I wish him and his brother were still making music.

    • @presmasterflash7555
      @presmasterflash7555 Год назад +4

      The “pantera” tour this summer is an abomination to the name. Vinnie would NEVER have gone along with it. It’s the only Eason Phil and Rex are getting away with it. I F’n love me some Pantera, but I wouldn’t waste or encourage that tribute tour, because it’s NOT a reunion by any stretch.

    • @TylerJohnstonGuitar
      @TylerJohnstonGuitar Год назад +3

      @@presmasterflash7555 Agreed. I love Zakk Wylde but Pantera is not Pantera without Dime and Vinnie.

    • @presmasterflash7555
      @presmasterflash7555 Год назад +2

      @@TylerJohnstonGuitar worked Rockville ‘16 and had lunch with Vinnie. Total class act and HellYeah was awesome that day. Someone asked that very question and it changed the whole mood at the table. As if all the other guys (Scott Ian, a couple guys from Parkway Drive and Tom Maxwell) knew what was coming now that it was said. Vinnie’s own words ver batim: “There ain’t no Pantera without Dime. Ain’t happening. Never.” Dude had some serious conviction when he said it, as I’m sure he had to make that statement more than once. I just looked at him and said “you’re go****ed right there ain’t” he nodded and we won’t back to the previous conversation but you could tell it still hit him hard.

    • @TylerJohnstonGuitar
      @TylerJohnstonGuitar Год назад +1

      @@presmasterflash7555 Vinnie and Dime were both class acts regardless of what anybody on the internet has to say. Would love to sit down with either one of them.

    • @presmasterflash7555
      @presmasterflash7555 Год назад +1

      @@TylerJohnstonGuitar Its an experience I’ll never forget.

  • @ERiCtheBuLL
    @ERiCtheBuLL Год назад +25

    Trogly shredding Pantera riffs and solo parts has made my week. Awesome stuff today!

    • @kattycat3502
      @kattycat3502 Год назад

      Shred😂

    • @ERiCtheBuLL
      @ERiCtheBuLL Год назад +2

      @@kattycat3502 you comment this, yet you have no videos of your playing 🤔🤣

    • @kattycat3502
      @kattycat3502 Год назад

      @@ERiCtheBuLL Lol you mad ? Shred😂😆

    • @ERiCtheBuLL
      @ERiCtheBuLL Год назад +2

      @@kattycat3502 nope. I'm not the one talking shit.

    • @kattycat3502
      @kattycat3502 Год назад

      @@ERiCtheBuLL Yeah a little humor really upsets you younger guys. 💯🤘🤘

  • @barry3045
    @barry3045 Год назад +23

    Getcha pull Trogly !! 🤘🏼

    • @timegoblin.
      @timegoblin. Год назад +1

      Crown’n’Coke, bud…..Crown’n’Coke.

  • @andrewpappas9311
    @andrewpappas9311 Год назад +16

    I’ve always loved the looks of MLs, they look so badass and they’re definitely an iconic shape of metal guitar and not just because of Dimebag’s heavy association with them

    • @christopherfidler3019
      @christopherfidler3019 Год назад +1

      The Knobs made me smile. Dimebag's guitar tech Grady used to make all his knobs like that.

    • @andrewpappas9311
      @andrewpappas9311 Год назад

      @@christopherfidler3019 I think I remember hearing something like that, yeah

    • @jonnyf9049
      @jonnyf9049 Год назад

      I have got an ML Anniversary Model, its such agreat playing and sounding guitar

    • @sleevelessace
      @sleevelessace 9 месяцев назад

      dimebag played a massive part but your right its cause they are the 2 most iconic metal guitars fused into 1. Flying V+ Explorer!! very awesome shape i didnt really like it for a while but since i got into dimebag n pantera i love this guitar alot more, and even jus liking the explorer made me like it.... i think i only liked a V for a long time n the explorer i was never big about hence why didnt like this guitar as much , but thats changed now

  • @somerandomdudelonelyAF
    @somerandomdudelonelyAF Год назад +44

    Hello fellow guitar heads

  • @koonassanook-bb8rm
    @koonassanook-bb8rm Год назад +5

    Hey trogly. I really dig you show man! I've been playing guitar since I was about ten years old. I had my first Les Paul standard in 1974 and have had it's you in my lifetime. Recently purchased a Les Paul Studio from Guitar Center but after living with it for a couple of weeks it wasn't quite there dude. I use the credit from the studio I returned to buy a new Les Paul Standard. Same story, to get home lived with it for a couple of weeks but it wasn't quite right man so I took it back and purchased a PRS S2 McCarty 594 singlecut. That guitar is a keeper. Gibson has really lost touch with quality control in my opinion and I've heard this from fellow Pickers. There's a special place in my heart for Gibson Les Pauls and maybe someday I will find one that is right. I also have a new Fender Ultra Telecaster, and a fender Pro 2 Strat. Both of those were keepers of the gate man. Anyway one thing that bothers me a bit are guitars that are made in China. I understand some people can't afford American, Canadian or even Mexican guitars. As a senior, a n a American Veteran I just don't get it man, geopolitically that is. If I'm correct I believe companies that operate in China are ultimately controlled by the CCP. Just bothers me a little bit man. Not only that it's hard to buy anything that's not made in China anymore. Anyway that's just my opinion. I'm an old fart pushing 70 but I'm still picking and I'm still grinning brother. Keep on keeping on with your RUclips channel and I wish you many good things to come! Peace

    • @koonassanook-bb8rm
      @koonassanook-bb8rm Год назад

      PS I should have proof read my comment. Voice texting leaves a lot to be desired. One line was Goofy after the 74 Les Paul I've had several Les Paul's anyway that's all

  • @papablue3015
    @papablue3015 Год назад +4

    I remember seeing the United States carved 1983ish? I bought a 1983 Gibson les paul custom pearl white! I still have it! Thanks

  • @ss327chevy
    @ss327chevy Год назад +7

    Unbelieveable that a crown royal ad played before the video. Getcha pull!

    • @thedude7726
      @thedude7726 Год назад +2

      Getcha pull son!!!!🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

  • @hippiebiker3399
    @hippiebiker3399 Год назад +6

    You owning a Dean means now you have just “earned your wings”!
    Congratulations!

    • @ScoobyDooby530
      @ScoobyDooby530 Год назад

      @troglys_guitar_show I give you sucky sucky five dolla

  • @agcacustoms2852
    @agcacustoms2852 Год назад +2

    I’ve got a Dean ML 79 string through that I really wanted for over a year and then got earlier this year. Broke a hand 2 days after purchasing it but it has been an amazing guitar and definitely helps in my rehabilitation.

  • @deanbartone8187
    @deanbartone8187 Год назад +2

    Well hello Mr. Trogly glad you finally got a chance to play one of those. I have a few myself. I absolutely love them and I’m happy to say that your guitar skills are slowly and surely getting much better. Glad to see you getting some time in. It’s a pleasure to watch your videos. Really enjoy all the info that you provide one day I will do a trade with you.

  • @jawesome59
    @jawesome59 Год назад +1

    As soon as I saw how big that Dean case was I knew it was an ML. I've since had Domination stuck in my head

  • @korps4821
    @korps4821 Год назад +9

    Deans are great

  • @erikkorhonen
    @erikkorhonen Год назад +2

    Dime Bag use to have his tech do that to his control knobs

  • @workingorder2189
    @workingorder2189 Год назад +4

    Keep the pointy guitars coming.

  • @brianstatom9567
    @brianstatom9567 Год назад +3

    Don't part it out. Somebody wants that guitar!

  • @andrewryan3194
    @andrewryan3194 Год назад +2

    If that ML had a Floyd Rose, I'd be buying that. Great video as ever buddy.

  • @thevoxofreason8468
    @thevoxofreason8468 Год назад +2

    So, a music documentary channel I subscribe to did a little vid on the late 80's glam band, "Trixter". Not a fan, however I noticed that in a music video of their's, the guitarist was playing an acoustic "Explorer". It was a "thinline" type body and had the shape of a Gibson headstock, but I couldn't make out the brand. *Anyone have a clue what this guitar was/is?*

    • @EdibleBetty
      @EdibleBetty Год назад +1

      If it's the guitar in the "Give it to me good" music video, that's a Kramer/Ferrington EX-1.
      Not sure if I watched the right documentary, didn't see a Gibson style headstock, tho they are bolt on acoustics so the neck could've been swaped at some point. Hope that helps!
      Danny Ferrington did some really cool custom builds. Highly reccomend his book. 🙃

    • @thevoxofreason8468
      @thevoxofreason8468 Год назад +1

      @@EdibleBetty Thank you. It is the one in the "Give it to me Good" video.

  • @stringspicksandfiddlestick6388

    I’ve been soldering for over 50 years. I used to desolder computer chips on digital scales before WiFi took over. I used solder wick, a solder sucker and sometimes if the hole wouldn’t open up I use a round wooden toothpick to open those tiny holes on the PC board.

  • @JustinSmithPYRO
    @JustinSmithPYRO Год назад +3

    How about we do a trade. My epiphone SG custom prophecy for the dean. Mine has a case as well, and i have all the original tuners and knobs for it too

  • @wadeguidry6675
    @wadeguidry6675 Год назад +7

    Great trade. You did good this time, especially with the case included.

  • @timegoblin.
    @timegoblin. Год назад +1

    Those knobs are what dime used on his ml’s

  • @ericbgordon1575
    @ericbgordon1575 Год назад

    One thing I've always been curious about is how knowledge of the Futura headstock made its way out into the public eye. I know about how it was eventually left on the cutting room floor when the Explorer was ultimately given the Fang / hockey stick headstock. Somehow or other, that petstock shape must have made its way onto public record or info sometime after 1958 for Dean to create the Michael Schenke Signature V with that headstock.

  • @ShaighJosephson
    @ShaighJosephson Год назад +1

    I bought the original version of the ML8 new for $499 and it ended up being a great guitar despite being one of the heaviest guitars ever made... They since discontinued it and came out with a new version, but the original version that I have is now selling for big bucks... Funny how there was such a lack of interest in it when it came out, but people realized how good it really was after it was discontinued...

  • @VashStarwind
    @VashStarwind Год назад +3

    Dean MLs arent weird, they cool as heck ha

  • @nealhathaway2004
    @nealhathaway2004 Год назад

    Around 1980ish, I had a Kayler guitar shaped like that. One day a friend of mine stopped by. We were talking and all of a sudden the guitar just fell off the stand and broke the headstock. I jumped up and pretended I was Paul Stanley, smashing the guitar on the floor. Best show I ever put on, but I always wondered what the downstairs neighbor thought.

  • @gsbguitarsgsb679
    @gsbguitarsgsb679 Год назад +1

    This is the one show I never miss on a daily basis. Thanks Austin. Btw you keep getting better and learning new riffs all the time. 🎸🤓🌎☮️🙏

  • @DemonLlama25
    @DemonLlama25 Год назад

    On the EMG markings the wall would set is just the 85 and 81 with long shaft knobs since he used a Les paul

  • @TWACKEDOUTLA
    @TWACKEDOUTLA Год назад +2

    I loved that you played some dimebag riffs

  • @snapfinger1
    @snapfinger1 Год назад +1

    Is that Mark Agnesi knocking on your door with a subpoena to testify in the never ending Gibson vs Dean saga ?

  • @therangercast5206
    @therangercast5206 7 месяцев назад +1

    I have a made in korea dime-o-flame and man i must say its one of the best playing swiss army knife guitars i have, the dime signature Seymour duncans are VERY versatile

  • @RockStarOscarStern634
    @RockStarOscarStern634 Год назад +2

    It's like a Dean Z

  • @streety301
    @streety301 Год назад +1

    trogly your guitar playing bro!!!! it has gotten so good over the years stop being so modest

  • @peppesgabello
    @peppesgabello Год назад

    The EMG 81-85 Zakk Wylde are just the normal set of 81-85, they customized just the box around with zakk wylde pics and zakk wylde pick (at least that's what I got when I bought them). From what I know you can just buy the zakk wylde set and there's no 81-85 set since it's basically the same pickup

  • @doctoribanez
    @doctoribanez Год назад +1

    Cool guitar. Playing some pantara was great lol

  • @HarleyCampbell79
    @HarleyCampbell79 10 месяцев назад

    Yes finally a Dean Dimebag type guitar thank you ... There are Metal Heads that watch your show , not just Metallica or Dave mustaine fans ... would love to see more Dimebags guitars .pleaee

  • @ethanhitchcock5431
    @ethanhitchcock5431 Год назад

    That ML would be perfect for a folk trio !...Thanks Trogly !

  • @thrashinwebster
    @thrashinwebster Год назад

    Also glad to hear one of your artifacts came over to where I live in New Zealand’ I might even know who they are if u could tell me’ having been a session player over here for years ✌️

  • @alfonsolara7917
    @alfonsolara7917 Год назад +1

    sounds like you had a ton of fun on this thing.

  • @TheHeavyMetalWuorior
    @TheHeavyMetalWuorior Год назад

    Those speed knobs are definitely a Dimebag Darrell modification style! Whoever originally owned this ML must have been heavily influenced by him. That is freaking cool!!

  • @homersreluctantodyssey2508
    @homersreluctantodyssey2508 Год назад +2

    your playing is great!! and always getting better

  • @vincentrandles8105
    @vincentrandles8105 Год назад +1

    I'd love to see Gibson bring those 'ol crank-style tuners back, I know it would devalue the originals - do they actually work for that operation?

  • @dw7704
    @dw7704 Год назад

    Most of the Deans I have tried with that huge headstock had neck dive worse than any SG.
    Part of me wonders if the ML body was created in part to attempt to balance that out?
    At least compared to their Vs.

  • @mikecarbone828
    @mikecarbone828 Год назад

    Salutations Austin!
    I tend to think of this body style as a Flying Explorer, since it is essentially a cross between a Flying V and an Explorer. It has an interesting finish, I am not really familiar with that wood, and I am not familiar with other guitars made with it either.
    It sounds alright, particularly with the overdrive.
    Thank you for sharing this with us all and posting these videos!
    Please have an excellent and awesome day!
    ☀️✨🎸

  • @Jimbowlcoach
    @Jimbowlcoach Год назад +2

    I don’t play guitar but I enjoy Trade Tuesday❤

  • @leahcaudill6559
    @leahcaudill6559 Год назад +1

    Bow, to metal master, Trog!

  • @seancollins3106
    @seancollins3106 Год назад

    I've tried a couple MLs at a local shop. When I play seated, I hold it classically. The shape fit me PERFECTLY... but I can't get over the shape of the headstock. I just can't stand how it looks. I know it's a little petty, but it's a dealbreaker for me.

  • @alexh3153
    @alexh3153 Год назад

    I have a ml atf3000, should check it out, you never really see them anywhere. Korean made, similar build to an ec-1000 Ltd. Put emgs in it and it’s one of the best Eng guitars I have heard. Perfect action from the factory, bought it in 2010 and have never adjusted anything. Met zakk wylde and got him to sign it also

  • @MikeE-
    @MikeE- Год назад +1

    DimeBag baby! RIP Darrell and Vinnie!

  • @raytorvalds3699
    @raytorvalds3699 Год назад

    \m/
    That kicked ass, Austin!

  • @rondobondo6600
    @rondobondo6600 Год назад +4

    Wallmart

  • @Sheltowee1775
    @Sheltowee1775 Год назад

    I always loved the ML from first seeing The Cars use them. I always appreciate everything you do on this channel (and how you do it)

  • @danieljones8706
    @danieljones8706 Год назад

    Dean MLX was one of my first guitars. One of my absolute favorite guitars.

  • @sonicsilverwave
    @sonicsilverwave Год назад

    I have a 2019 Dean USA V (which I guess is now technically a lawsuit era guitar) in the natural mahogany finish, and it's the most resonant guitar I own. It just vibrates nonstop while I play it. I think it's comparable to the mahogany Gibson Custom 58 V spec-wise, though I haven't yet had an opportunity to play one of the mahogany Gibson Vs to compare.

  • @hammeredseb7198
    @hammeredseb7198 8 месяцев назад

    It's a Chinese build, still very nice, the nut replacement is common, the nut geometry was off, mine had the same issue.

  • @adrianr2312
    @adrianr2312 Год назад +4

    Welcome everyone! Trogs, have you heard about the rumors that gibson will cease making LP Jr's and Standard burst finishes unless you step up to the custom shop?

    • @steveparish9210
      @steveparish9210 Год назад +1

      No

    • @rockinrob2004
      @rockinrob2004 Год назад

      I'm just happy that I have a nice collection of Gibson & other brands. They will lose some market if they do that, however they may just be starting to hone in on a audience that will buy more high-end & use Epi for everything else. JMO

  • @farkenfigjam8732
    @farkenfigjam8732 Год назад

    Bout time you took a look at a ML style guitar. Shame it's not a Dimebag model with a Floyd Rose

  • @AndrewSmith-pc8eq
    @AndrewSmith-pc8eq Год назад

    57 classic in the neck, Dimebucker on the bridge. Or sub in a Dirty Fingers!!!!
    And dont forget the Whammy bar! Is that possible with string thru?

  • @depopsalator_6448
    @depopsalator_6448 Год назад

    The box tricked me I thought it was a dean from hell

  • @kbowen2251
    @kbowen2251 Год назад

    Glad to see an update on this series! I bet it would be a lot harder to trade up with bass guitar related items only...

  • @diabeticmonkey
    @diabeticmonkey Год назад

    That Dean looks pretty sick

  • @HarleyCampbell79
    @HarleyCampbell79 Год назад +1

    Hell yeah metal guitars

  • @joshua5483
    @joshua5483 Год назад +3

    This is what I call a certified “pLaY AuthEntiC” moment

  • @JetEarlewood
    @JetEarlewood Год назад

    I sold all my Deans, USA 's and Koreans in Japan. The shop had to replace all the pots on everyone of them because they were made in Mexico.

  • @AndrewSmith-pc8eq
    @AndrewSmith-pc8eq Год назад

    I love how you over excentuate your Ts!
    saTin....buTTon....😂😂😂

  • @micahwatz1148
    @micahwatz1148 Год назад

    I have the Kerry King emg set. It didnt mark them as the kk mode either. Just 81 85

  • @sixstringer3783
    @sixstringer3783 Год назад +1

    Hey all time for the daily dose and Trogly getting his Dime on 🤘

  • @HarleyCampbell79
    @HarleyCampbell79 Год назад +1

    Is wow that is a beautiful dean

  • @eddiejr540
    @eddiejr540 Год назад

    I had a Dean ML Custom made in USA, 1982…it had dimarzio super distortions and it was a beast of a guitar…sadly I traded it away long ago☹️

    • @mjrybread
      @mjrybread 10 месяцев назад

      I just sold my 1980 for $1500 😢could have gotten more but oh well ,had it for 30 years

  • @thedude7726
    @thedude7726 Год назад +2

    Getcha pull son

  • @fredfries
    @fredfries Год назад

    Your playing skills have definitely improved over the years I've been watching. Maybe you need to create a "shredder version" of your channels theme music

  • @heres2ya
    @heres2ya Год назад

    Hell, even with your ham hand playing it, it sounds a lot better than any other Gibson...

  • @markstevens1729
    @markstevens1729 Год назад

    Watching because I bought a Dean acoustic bass years ago, I love it, but know nothing about the brand.

  • @timdavidson6150
    @timdavidson6150 Год назад +1

    Getcha pull 🤘

  • @darrellclingenpeel213
    @darrellclingenpeel213 8 месяцев назад

    I love my Dean razorback and my 58 Les Paul special

  • @BataraKado
    @BataraKado Год назад

    my dream guitar is a dean ml and i want to custom paint mine and put my own special combo of neck and bridge in the beast... love your channel trogly, you run a very good channel, would love to see you cover more dean ml action and rare models of dean please !!!

  • @ryanheard
    @ryanheard Год назад

    You need flux to easily remove that solder on the pot lugs. The best flux is Amtech nc-559-v2-tf.

  • @allencalem3413
    @allencalem3413 Год назад

    Please Review the Fender thinline 2 tone limited edition.

  • @barrygoins5429
    @barrygoins5429 Год назад

    U should do more like this love the history lesson man

  • @elgranjuanileiva
    @elgranjuanileiva Год назад

    that chet atkins model is an espectacular clasical guitar, great sound and ultra confy

  • @ALTDOK667
    @ALTDOK667 Год назад +1

    Sweet twanger! I want!

  • @AndrewSmith-pc8eq
    @AndrewSmith-pc8eq Год назад +1

    What state would you say that toggle switch is in???? Asking for Rhode Island!!!😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Wargasm54
    @Wargasm54 Год назад +1

    An ML without a Floyd is sacrilege!! Dimebag rolling in his grave.

    • @hybrid_wolf6257
      @hybrid_wolf6257 Год назад

      Do you know anything about Dimebag? He didn’t always use a Floyd. He didn’t need it. Pitch shifter, pitch harmonics, and or whammy digitec pedal. Do ya homework 😉✌🏻

  • @trroland1248
    @trroland1248 Год назад

    Austin, was that just a bit of 1980s Deep Purple in your medley? 😊

  • @onecomet850
    @onecomet850 7 месяцев назад

    I bought this recently! It is sitting next to me at the moment

  • @BOUZOUKI_PETE
    @BOUZOUKI_PETE Год назад

    not eye of the beholder! 😂

  • @supersonicnomad8437
    @supersonicnomad8437 Год назад

    Whoa! Austin shredding like a killer Aurora AU1060MA 10-Sheet Micro-Cut Shredder like nobody's business on any given day @ the office! Righteous lead run in the Metallica jam my man! Total rad vid! Well, I gotta bail dude, catch you and the whole headbangin' Trogly Crue on the wild side!
    Horns up! \m/>_

  • @johnj4788
    @johnj4788 Год назад

    Ive got a dean VX in candy apple red! What a beast!

  • @TheDrunkenScoundrel
    @TheDrunkenScoundrel Год назад

    I am only at the beginning of this video, but I just want to say, even as someone who has gotten some STUPID deals on Modcasters, can we just INFLATE the value of Modcasters a bit?
    ON some of these some serious thought and work goes in to the final 'product'.

  • @timweber7165
    @timweber7165 Год назад

    Love the color and wood grain

  • @markcampbell7554
    @markcampbell7554 Год назад

    I own a Dean v which has Dimarzio pickups as stock equipment. It's actually a nice guitar. I have never owned or played an ML but it looks interesting.

  • @killemall1983
    @killemall1983 Год назад +2

    Trog, how did it only cost 45$ for 2 guitars ???

    • @Trog
      @Trog  Год назад +2

      both shipped in the same small box and they didn't have to go too far - only a few states away

  • @Seven7Pain1
    @Seven7Pain1 Год назад

    Omg mr Gibson gets a Dean ML and thats the knobs style Dime used

  • @jerryparisi6803
    @jerryparisi6803 Год назад

    nice learned some pantera for demo

  • @clarkbabin9799
    @clarkbabin9799 Год назад

    Is that RG an Iron Label?

  • @leviathan_is_me
    @leviathan_is_me Год назад

    I could.never get passed the headstock on Dean's. FAR too gaudy for me. Just makes the guitar (especially the ML style) look odd...big body, big headstock just isn't my bag, baby. Still, awesome sound and all the respect to those who love em.

  • @Masterfighterx
    @Masterfighterx Год назад

    12:53 not a different type of wood, still Maple.

  • @sgt.grinch3299
    @sgt.grinch3299 Год назад +1

    Z is for retired.

  • @presmasterflash7555
    @presmasterflash7555 Год назад

    Those knobs are a Dimebag thing, at least it was a type that he used and popularized

    • @presmasterflash7555
      @presmasterflash7555 Год назад

      Well I guess I commented too soon on this for it to really be relevant