I have a friend who was raised in the COG and the first time we hung out she said “before anything else I need you to know I was raised in a cult.” I was like “no worries, my parents met in a cult”. Then we partied all night in Palm Springs.
I often start conversations explaining that I was born into a cult (my parents were also raised in and met in the cult) because you find out a lot about people by how they respond to it. Your response was awesome, not that my option matters in the situation! 🎉 You didn't ask a bunch of invasive questions or blow it off as though it wasn't a big deal.
I’m glad that you found friendship. It’s just sad that your friend and other people feel like they have to preface their interactions with “I was raised in a cult” because they feel like they’re different from “normal” people.
@@OrthodoxChristianBeliever thank you! I was lucky in that my father apologized when I was an adult. OTOH I doubt I’ve done enough therapy. But Life is.
@@katwitanruna , sexual abuse is not something u take lightly. He may have apologized, but r u inwardly ok? There's still that little girl inside u that needs healing, that needs support, that needs to be around the right support group. You're inner u needs to know everything is going to be ok.
"I was a victim, but I didn't need to continue to be a victim." THIS!!!!! I wish I had been told about boundaries growing up. I was raised not knowing and was 36 before I learned that it was ok for me to have boundaries. Thank you for this interview! Send so much love to both y'all
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH LIKE BUTTONS FOR THIS ONE!!!!! (yes, I am "yelling", but more in the sense of being amazed, excited, and happy for this lady and the positive outcome, and I'm excited for myself because I am currently reconstructing reality.)
Love the cell phone analogy! Yes, I can pass you my cell phone to make a quick call, doesn't mean can look thru my pictures. And just because I lent it to once doesn't mean you can just rip it out of my hand at any time! Or restrict who else I might let use it.
Here is an additional comment: this woman is so articulate, so clear, and so brilliant in how she lays out the "circles" of moral and legal responsibility that listening is truly transformative. I've never heard anyone articulate it like this. And her attitude is remarkable. Wow!
I’m an adult cult survivor, and I resonate so deeply with what she said about explaining how your child brain processes things. When you are born into these situations, it’s all you know and the reality that was created for you. It’s the hardest thing to come to terms with.
AGREED!! this channel does some beautiful work that everyone deserves to hear. Uplifting people with some of the most REAL conversations, deserves the front page every week imo!
Bodily autonomy is incredibly important and needs to be taught to children. My body was violated repeatedly in childhood by people who were supposed to take care of me (my dad and a babysitter.) Unfortunately my body was violated in adulthood too. I am in my 40's and have only recently been able to feel complete ownership and sovereignty over my body but it has taken a lot of therapy and healing to get here.
I was not raised religious at all and I still feel like I can’t say no or have complete autonomy. She’s so right about the programming women go through
Remember God created you to experience beauty and glory though you and to deny bein everything He created you to be lets you down for spiritual growth and denies God. You’re unique in His creation for eternity.
Sorry we have all been programmed by the death cult. Look at most Global leaders the majority of them seem to be into pedophillia and other demonic sex acts
This is by far the most illuminating and brilliant guest I have ever heard on any podcast. Wow! Her concept of religious principles/moral codes is so clear and meaningful; it should be taught from the 1st grade up. I'm off to read her book. Thank you for introducing a truly remarkable woman.
This makes me so VERY grateful for my upbringing ❤❤❤ Always had autonomy. Raised with an older sister and 3 older brothers.. And I am 70 years old ❤. Bless you both for sharing ❤😊❤❤
Please never stop spreading your word. Every young girl and woman needs to hear your circle principals❤️. Also what a brilliant grandmother you have. Smart enough to send you books to get you to think for yourself, but to not alert and worry male leaders around you! Thank you for helping me be able to claim my body back like I would my cell phone❤️
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I read Faith Jones's book this year and was blown away by the level of abuse and straight up evil so many people participated in. I congratulate you on your survival, your success in business and family, and your courage and honesty! Thank you for sharing.
shelise you are so good at interviewing and giving space for people while being sympathetic / empathetic. cheers to you, and thank you for what you do!
I'm halfway through watching. Great interview! My husband and I were both high school exchange students. Best decision ever! Travel can be such a valuable experience, and I'm so thankful that we're now able to share that with our two kids. I love that they can see how other people do this and how other people live.
I am glad you are bringing up this narcissistic entitlement that is ok for men in this society, A powerful solo women adventurer, who climbed dangerous peaks, paddled many rivers, was brought down low by a common fisherman in a foreign country, who “ r” her, thought it was his entitlement.she was just camping alone, and stopped her exploring.
This was such an interesting story and what an intelligent, well-spoken, well researched speaker Faith is. I live in Australia and listen to your podcasts during my walks to inspire me to stride along. Which, on the face of it, probably sounds odd, but I always return home feeling uplifted and empowered. I am deeply forunate enough to have been raised in a loving, caring family but sadly and very unexpectedly suffered serious abuse via my first husband ( my second is the best man on the planet), so these discussions always have something of value for me to take away. Simply, thankyou for what you do.
I am going to have to rewatch and write down your contract principles - for my granddaughters who are growing up during very complex times…..😮😢😊. Thank you so much!!!!❤❤❤. I was raised to take these principles for granted……
Having such clear, objective truth being presented is so very refreshing in this day and age. See, people - it still exists. Thank you, Faith Jones, for so cogently presenting this truth, and thank you again, Shelise, for spotlighting another amazing person!
Interesting and true. The destruction of our educational system, the constant fear mongering in the big media, and the influence of Mormonism, Scientology, Fundamentalists, etc in our politics and at every level of government are all big contributors to this.
I have been raised with no boundaries (survived every type of abuse and had to take care of everyone else in my family- oldest daughter)… I am 45 now and still struggle with feeling guilt after saying “no”… Thank you for this episode - it was very helpful…
The inner drive to learn and understand the world served you well! My favorite book of empowerment for young girls is The Girl of the Limberlost. Set in early 1900s Indiana when there were forests, before they drained the swamps. I highly recommend it.
Faith is such a beautiful lady! She’s obviously been through so much and wants to put an end to the suffering of kids and women. By becoming a lawyer, Faith is in a great position to help more women and children. Congratulations to her for doing that, it’s no small feat! You’re an incredible woman Faith and I hope an inspiration to many young women. ❤️ She’s very brave like you Shelise and I love the little shout out she gave you at the end. I’m so proud of you both! ❤️❤️🤗🤗
This was a really good episode. I love the mention of setting boundaries doesn’t necessarily mean you’re being selfish. Also @cultstoconsciousness have you thought of trying to reach out to any of the twin flame universe ex cult members?
I have so much respect for Faith and her lifelong hunger for knowledge and perspective that lead her to where she is now. Faith, you are truly an inspiration!
Kudos to Faith Jones for her courage, vision, clarity, and commitment. You are an asset to people in general and women in particular. And to Shelise, as always, you ask very sensitive and astute questions and bring excellent guests onto your show. I wanted to recommend someone whose book I finished reading this morning. Her name is Jayanti Tamm and her book is called CARTWHEELS IN A SARI. She left the Sri Chinmoy cult and has a fascinating story. Today, she teaches English in a college, is married, has kids and really has reclaimed her life.
This is one of your best, most informative videos on cults because this woman is very well educated and able to analyze what went on and put it in perspective as opposed to simply recounting the abusive experience of living in a cult. This woman can be a powerful force against cults and helping the victims of cults recover.
Faith Jones, you are a goddamn genius!! 🤯 The principals you describe truly are the basis of human morality, laid out with such clarity. When people ask “well how can you have morality without religion?” I’ve always known there was something fundamental but never crystallized it for myself. Thank you to the moon for doing that work! It’s something I will carry with me now, and will especially teach to my young daughter 🙏🏻✨♥️
Thank you for continuing to give a platform for survivors who need their voices heard. It’s really horrifying to keep learning how property “has more rights” than people (especially women and children) do.
What a really intelligent woman. I really enjoyed hearing about her journey and especially the breakdown of the laws. Thank you for sharing your story and knowledge. You have taught me a lot!!
I read Faith's book and that was pretty hard to get through. I understand how idealistic people can get sucked into that, but it's staggering how so many people could contend with the abuse. As a brief member of another cult I can say that idealistic people will seek others, but I clearly saw the flaws in that organization. Aside from the abuse, the lack of autonomy is destructive. Faith talks about how hard it was to adapt to the regular world. That's the ultimate evil! I still don't see how she ended up a lawyer, but I now believe there's a higher power that will guide you to your ultimate destination.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. You have added to the breakthroughs I've had in my own recovery from high control groups. I felt so much shame for my sexual history. It led to me having multiple surgeries and being in menopause at 34. It never registered that I was taught a mans arousal was my responsibility, that I couldn't say no. It never connected in my brain until I heard you say it. It will be nice once I can release the shame for these "encounters" I've had in life.
The Secret Garden was my first favorite novel too, still have found thoughts whenever reminded of it. Faith has so MANY words of wisdom to share - thank you! You're the embodiment of changing poison into medicine
"Getting revelations". That phrase makes me gag. I am an oldster, and I still don't get why some people believe other people just because they claim that they have received revelation/s. There seem to be vast swaths of humans who either have no common sense or have argued themselves out of their own common sense. Just saying. I do appreciate your channel, Shelise!
I’m an ‘oldster’ also, and the thing is that anyone, given the right set of circumstances, can fall for this. The tactics are the same ones that individual abusers use. And like we see here, the folks thought they were a group of Christians doing Jesus’ work. Then he separates them from everyone else and convinces them that the Devil is sending minions to persecute them. Then he slowly introduced the horror, saying it was ‘revelation.’ It’s exactly what Joseph Smith did.
I would suggest you also watch Blown for Good-escaping Scientology. You can see really clearly there that these folks are not weak, stupid, or any of that crap.
That was eye opening. I wasn't brought up in a cult, but was brought up in the 60s/70s in Scotland and always struggled with boundaries. I, too, thought that if I had "led him on" I had to go all the way. Many, many times. Also, I always give full body hugs! Is that not a thing? I discovered last year at the age of 59 that I'm ADHD, and it really helped me to realise why I never fit in, and thought I was just crap at life. So you're not just helping cult survivors! Thank you❤
Thank you for relating the level of mind control that a cult leader can possess to domestic abuse (one spouse or family unit). This hit hard for me. You are both incredibly brave women and I value your voices.
Wow! I learned so much in this video. Faith Jones is amazing. Shelise, please introduce her to Aaron! It would be so cool to hear them discuss the contracts that children sign in the cult of Scientology. I think she could be very helpful to that community. Thank you 💜
What an inspiring woman. One of your best interviews. I learned so much and loved the explanation of the moral principles. I wish I knew this when I was much younger.
I loved what she had to say about digging into the Bible!! This is so true! There can be biases in the translations! When we take the time to study and understand the Bible we realize that these cults perverse scripture! I love what Jinger Dugger (I forget her married name) calls it “disentanglement” instead of “deconstruction”. The enemy knows the Bible as well. The enemy of our souls knows the Bible so well that he can slip in lies and make them sound good! When we know the true living Word of God. We can’t help but realize He loves us and never wants us to be treated wrongly. That is where free will comes in…. A whole other topic, too much to get into here. Thanks for another great interview!!
I fully appreciate how talking about principles is extremely difficult. It's so difficult to simplify them for the sake of getting through, and l am extremely grateful and thankful for a channel like this which allows individuals to talk through what they have been through and discovered/ learned for themselves. It allows me to connect, without thinking or feeling that, because I haven't gone through the exact same experience, mine isn't valid. There's so much I can connect with, even if our actual experiences have not been exactly the same, and we are not the same type of person, even though we share commonalities. Thank you. I am so tired of the endless " fix it" , and 5 to ..... steps to growing type channels. Genuine sharing is for me the most vital. Thank you for not endlessly interrupting and asking questions .
I am soooooooooooooo happy she brought up how hell isn't even how it's described by most. YAS QUEEN! YES!!!!! Believe the Bible or not, it's amazing to see that shelf get broken. Also the concept of the ancient Jewish belief that the soul dies. I literally shouted out in excitement when she said that. NO ONE talks about that. That rediscovery is exactly what I went through. AND the translation thing. Absolutely 100%. So much does NOT come through. The nail in the coffin on that one is how she said she's through people telling her how to interpret something. That's the point of coming to an independent consciousness.
@@BognaZone I'm talking about the Hebrew word נפש (nephesh) which is often translated as "soul." Leviticus 21:11, the "dead body" referenced is "dead nephesh." I won't get into this further, but all I was saying was that I was so happy she was reading it without the filter of what she is told to believe. Unfortunately, writing so adamantly that the soul doesn't die kind of proves the point of how unwilling many are to think outside the box. 我不想争论。我的意思只是她现在能自己查经， 不要老听别人说的，能独立得查、独立得想。我们每一个人有个脑，自己用就好。
Her points about the depth of translation problems is phenomenal. It makes a huge difference when it comes to Sanskrit scriptures too!!!!! I REALLY appreciate this woman’s journey , love for God, and depth
This was absolutely fascinating! Faith, you have such beautiful insight. Lisa, you are always amazing, and such an inspirational interviewer and host. Thank you both.
*Faith,* you are AMAZING!! From TED to this interview and everything in between, you are so well versed in capturing ideas and relaying them to help others understand things (and ourselves) we couldn't quite put into words/work through. Your work aids in identifying and understanding things, even down to our most basic or hard to express moral principles. You're a driving force in these conversations! We all know that identifying things (especially when raised in a cult where you are cut off from your individuality and personal feelings) can be a feat that many struggle with. Props to you for being able to take charge of the traumas you endured and utilize your experiences in such a beautiful way to aid yourself and others.. I can only imagine the sheer number of people you've reached with your eloquence! Keep at it girlie 👏🖤 *SHELISE AND JONATHAN!!!* CONGRATS AGAIN YOU GUYS. This channel is something you two have beautifully put together, I can only imagine the results of your care and compassion raising a little bean.🥺 Congrats a thousand times over. This episode came at a beautiful time for y'all to drop the news. Building a moral ground that is stable and compassionate for yourself and others is my idea of a great family base. You two are creating something beautiful for this world with your work and with your love. *A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH* 🖤🖤 Much love and support as always :)
Faith, wow; your story and journey is powerful. You are an inspiration to so many people. I LOVE that you said you are grateful for everything that had happened because it has made you who you are. So many people never get that, or even understand that concept. Many blessings to you to continue your work to help others understand how to start ownership of their body.
I love that Faith's goal is the same as your: individual sovereignty. She is so right that this is an issue that permeates all of society with women tending to be seen as -- and compared to -- objects. Then incels genuinely feel like that have the RIGHT to sex and women who dont have sex with them are denying their rights. Thank you so much for bringing Faith on. Faith, thank you for your strength and sharing your very difficult story. It is such a unique experience that you didn't leave bc of disagreeing with the beliefs, but bc you really wanted to learn and that's how your eyes opened.
I love everything about this video. Strong, resilient and inspiring. Thank you both. After watching 2 of your videos, I felt the confirmation of being on the right path. The words that were drawn to me are: VULNERABLE, SOUL HEALING, HONEST, TRUTH, RESILIENT, GENUINE, AUTHENTIC, WHOLE, LOVED, PERSISTENT, GRATITUDE & ENOUGH! I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH! ~ From Vanna Sing, Tacoma, Washington 253
As a pre med student who’s worked in health care as a scribe with a very strong sense of internal morals and ethics this idea of the circles is incredible to put that into words
I am so grateful for my Mom and how she raised me. She didn't have the formal or academic wording but I was raised to say no and have that be respected, I had bodily autonomy and it was reinforced that my body was mine and I decided how and where I would be touched. Thank You Mama for going with your gut!
Faith, your strength and resilience are inspiring! You have created a great life and are being of service. Your child is blessed with an amazing mother who leads by example and will encourage curiosity, open mindedness, and a thirst for knowledge and understanding. Blessings to you and your family.
I love it! The logic and intelligence, and the simple principl(es), ...Einstein, respect!! Wouldn’t have been possible with a cult mind, but with consciousness! I would love to apply this to animal and plant rights, which can be tricky when you step on a snail 😉 but we are sharing this planet and groups of cultishly influenced people are the threat to each other and nature in general. It freaks me out that you can be born into some countries or families and your rights are violated from day 1... Shelise, another awesome interview!! ❤️💃🏻
Many of the interviews you do are thoughtful and important. I mean the following as constructive feedback. I have clicked off videos early when I have heard terms misused. Most recently, the term trauma bond was used to describe a connection people can feel when sharing stories of hardship. That is not what a trauma bond is. A trauma bond really occurs between the perpetrator of harm and the recipient. Please offer clarification if you purposely use terms incorrectly. Many people use this term to mean a friendship of two people who share a similar background and I understand the conversational value of using terms in this manner. If you are unfamiliar with the accurate meaning of terms, please learn them. For clarity, I cannot remember what recent video had this issue and I have not listened to this video yet. Perhaps this oversight has been addressed.
Thank you so much for this. I work since decades with Feminist Self Defence. This concrete way of comparing ownership of the body to ownership of possessions I will definitely explore. I have done things similar to that. I guess that comes naturally when training to for instance practicing strategies for keeping an item, when someone is trying to take it from you - and then in diffent ways compare that to different aspects of your own safety and integrity. But to see it conceptualised by a lawyer seems very interesting. For me this comparison between different kind of systems is very useful to easier see similarities in patterns and structures. Comparing mainstream societies with cults and relationships considered normal with obviously abusive ones. By the way. Our human rights (the convention) was written for only men, which wasn't changed until shortly before it was made an official document. That is so telling. And that is why we need the CEDAW and the Istanbul document.
1:12:36 - oh my goodnesssss!!! As a Hebraic believer, I am a “Christian,” living in the Bible Belt, raised on hell, fire and brimstone, that doesn’t believe in an eternal hell. In my whole life I have only ever met one other person who believes this way, I would really really like to meet this woman!!
I am a Universalist. I believe there is a hell but it's not punishment but a state we get ourselves into. And I believe Hell is either empty or it is just until the end of time and not for eternity. (Different things) I believe all beings will be reconsiled in the end.
So much insight from these children of God survivors, wider ramifications for us all… how cult principles are being employed by the military and countries like the US at large…
Thank you for your channel,/podcast. I just left a msg about your wedding, I Loved. But you doing these youtube videos are so Great for saving women, and man , mostly women, from Cults. Thank you Thank you. I grew up Reorganized LDS. Now I'm so upset with the whole Joe Smith Scoundral, rapist ,Awful person. I've been researching l Iots of Mormon and other Lds videos. And I'm so Happy you have this youtube podcast to get The TRUTH OUT THERE ,IN THE WORLD 🌎 ❤❤❤❤❤
I am a child of sa and many other abuses. My husband tells me when im feeling weak that I'm one of the strongest women he has ever known. That i fought though so much that he couldn't even imagine going through. He is my rock when my mind goes back into the ugly rabbit hole of the mind. I am so glad he is my husband.
It's fascinating that you're talking about moral law, and the basis for the things we all hold true, its almost the exact same thing that Catholicism teaches, called Natural Law. Which is essentially the moral truths that every human instinctively knows, regardless of creed. Things like murder, theft, etc. I really like the way you've laid out how they are all intimately connected and lead into one another.
I'm an ex member of this cult,it took me along long time to realise that my body is mine and I do belong to me. I raised my daughters the same, 2 are good, but two aren't one was abused by her step father before and after we were in this cult and he blamed this cult he went to jail but he has never taken responsibility for his actions. I was told to do things i didnt feel comfortable with but i didn't want to be deemed out of it. I still have flash backs, and I'm finally learning to be me. Though my relationship with my children is very rocky.
I have a friend who was raised in the COG and the first time we hung out she said “before anything else I need you to know I was raised in a cult.” I was like “no worries, my parents met in a cult”. Then we partied all night in Palm Springs.
I often start conversations explaining that I was born into a cult (my parents were also raised in and met in the cult) because you find out a lot about people by how they respond to it.
Your response was awesome, not that my option matters in the situation! 🎉 You didn't ask a bunch of invasive questions or blow it off as though it wasn't a big deal.
That’s real friendship, acceptance of each other. Your comment is heartwarming. ❤️
I’m glad that you found friendship.
It’s just sad that your friend and other people feel like they have to preface their interactions with “I was raised in a cult” because they feel like they’re different from “normal” people.
@@NihilisticJawbreakerI wouldn’t care that you were raised in a cult. That has no relation to who you are as a person.
I'd still be friends as well. Prob even more tbh.
As an adult survivor this is hard to listen to but it needs to be heard. Shine a light on offenders.
Hope you're doing alright
@@OrthodoxChristianBeliever thank you! I was lucky in that my father apologized when I was an adult. OTOH I doubt I’ve done enough therapy. But Life is.
@@katwitanruna , sexual abuse is not something u take lightly. He may have apologized, but r u inwardly ok? There's still that little girl inside u that needs healing, that needs support, that needs to be around the right support group. You're inner u needs to know everything is going to be ok.
@louisedow6489 no
I just cannot imagine how you all grew up in this. Many of the cults are hard to listen to, this is the worst one. Blessings to you!
"I was a victim, but I didn't need to continue to be a victim." THIS!!!!! I wish I had been told about boundaries growing up. I was raised not knowing and was 36 before I learned that it was ok for me to have boundaries. Thank you for this interview! Send so much love to both y'all
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Not okay but a must❤
Body autonomy is very important to understand for yourself and to teach your children.
And logic.
Exactly!!!!!
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH LIKE BUTTONS FOR THIS ONE!!!!! (yes, I am "yelling", but more in the sense of being amazed, excited, and happy for this lady and the positive outcome, and I'm excited for myself because I am currently reconstructing reality.)
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Love the cell phone analogy! Yes, I can pass you my cell phone to make a quick call, doesn't mean can look thru my pictures. And just because I lent it to once doesn't mean you can just rip it out of my hand at any time! Or restrict who else I might let use it.
YES
Here is an additional comment: this woman is so articulate, so clear, and so brilliant in how she lays out the "circles" of moral and legal responsibility that listening is truly transformative. I've never heard anyone articulate it like this. And her attitude is remarkable. Wow!
I’m an adult cult survivor, and I resonate so deeply with what she said about explaining how your child brain processes things. When you are born into these situations, it’s all you know and the reality that was created for you. It’s the hardest thing to come to terms with.
Your interviews deserve a RUclips award, always hard hitting and factual, amazing work and bravery by you and your guests ❤❤❤
It would be good to see this kind of content focused on by YT-instead of rewarding criminals like Sssniperwolf.
Wow, thank you!
@@justkiddin84 right?? This is where the power of this platform lives!
AGREED!! this channel does some beautiful work that everyone deserves to hear. Uplifting people with some of the most REAL conversations, deserves the front page every week imo!
@@justkiddin84 THIS!!!!!^^ 👏
The Secret Garden has been a favourite of mine forever. I love how that memory lights you up ❤
Bodily autonomy is incredibly important and needs to be taught to children. My body was violated repeatedly in childhood by people who were supposed to take care of me (my dad and a babysitter.) Unfortunately my body was violated in adulthood too. I am in my 40's and have only recently been able to feel complete ownership and sovereignty over my body but it has taken a lot of therapy and healing to get here.
Good luck, dear. I’m sorry for you. Stay strong.
I was not raised religious at all and I still feel like I can’t say no or have complete autonomy. She’s so right about the programming women go through
If u Wanna Be Introduced To A Belief System that's not a cult, go To An Eastern Orthodox Service On A Sunday Morning
Remember God created you to experience beauty and glory though you and to deny bein everything He created you to be lets you down for spiritual growth and denies God. You’re unique in His creation for eternity.
Sorry we have all been programmed by the death cult. Look at most Global leaders the majority of them seem to be into pedophillia and other demonic sex acts
@@OrthodoxChristianBelieverha!!!!!
@@UptownLexi , why is that funny? We're really not a cult.
This is by far the most illuminating and brilliant guest I have ever heard on any podcast. Wow! Her concept of religious principles/moral codes is so clear and meaningful; it should be taught from the 1st grade up. I'm off to read her book. Thank you for introducing a truly remarkable woman.
This makes me so VERY grateful for my upbringing ❤❤❤ Always had autonomy. Raised with an older sister and 3 older brothers.. And I am 70 years old ❤. Bless you both for sharing ❤😊❤❤
Please never stop spreading your word. Every young girl and woman needs to hear your circle principals❤️. Also what a brilliant grandmother you have. Smart enough to send you books to get you to think for yourself, but to not alert and worry male leaders around you! Thank you for helping me be able to claim my body back like I would my cell phone❤️
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I read Faith Jones's book this year and was blown away by the level of abuse and straight up evil so many people participated in. I congratulate you on your survival, your success in business and family, and your courage and honesty! Thank you for sharing.
shelise you are so good at interviewing and giving space for people while being sympathetic / empathetic. cheers to you, and thank you for what you do!
Thank you so much!❤️
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
I'm halfway through watching. Great interview! My husband and I were both high school exchange students. Best decision ever! Travel can be such a valuable experience, and I'm so thankful that we're now able to share that with our two kids. I love that they can see how other people do this and how other people live.
It boggles my mind that this cult is still going, under a different name.
Catholic Church is going also!!! Gender identity in schools also !!!!
Remodeling Christianity to have more sex but keep control. A tale as old as time.
I am glad you are bringing up this narcissistic entitlement that is ok for men in this society, A powerful solo women adventurer, who climbed dangerous peaks, paddled many rivers, was brought down low by a common fisherman in a foreign country, who “ r” her, thought it was his entitlement.she was just camping alone, and stopped her exploring.
Yes, sadly, we need to be armed, especially if we are alone.
That’s so awful.
The most powerful word you can ever utter: Why
This was such an interesting story and what an intelligent, well-spoken, well researched speaker Faith is.
I live in Australia and listen to your podcasts during my walks to inspire me to stride along. Which, on the face of it, probably sounds odd, but I always return home feeling uplifted and empowered. I am deeply forunate enough to have been raised in a loving, caring family but sadly and very unexpectedly suffered serious abuse via my first husband ( my second is the best man on the planet), so these discussions always have something of value for me to take away.
Simply, thankyou for what you do.
I looove this woman!!! So intelligent and well-spoken! We need more of these women to advocate for the ones who don’t have a voice 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I am going to have to rewatch and write down your contract principles - for my granddaughters who are growing up during very complex times…..😮😢😊. Thank you so much!!!!❤❤❤. I was raised to take these principles for granted……
Having such clear, objective truth being presented is so very refreshing in this day and age. See, people - it still exists. Thank you, Faith Jones, for so cogently presenting this truth, and thank you again, Shelise, for spotlighting another amazing person!
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Liked, shared and commented. Up the algorithm!
It's interesting that Faith mentioned the cult like tendencies of the u.s. in the present moment.
Interesting and true. The destruction of our educational system, the constant fear mongering in the big media, and the influence of Mormonism, Scientology, Fundamentalists, etc in our politics and at every level of government are all big contributors to this.
I wish she'd been specific. There is no bigger or more dangerous cult in the US than that of TRump.
She hit the nail on the head there! I won’t mention them on Shelise’s channel but Faith was spot on with the drama that’s taking over!
The magats
I have been raised with no boundaries (survived every type of abuse and had to take care of everyone else in my family- oldest daughter)… I am 45 now and still struggle with feeling guilt after saying “no”… Thank you for this episode - it was very helpful…
The inner drive to learn and understand the world served you well! My favorite book of empowerment for young girls is The Girl of the Limberlost. Set in early 1900s Indiana when there were forests, before they drained the swamps. I highly recommend it.
With that also include emotional abuse that's part of your body
That book was so powerful to me as a child emerging into teenager-hood ♥️
Faith is such a beautiful lady! She’s obviously been through so much and wants to put an end to the suffering of kids and women. By becoming a lawyer, Faith is in a great position to help more women and children. Congratulations to her for doing that, it’s no small feat! You’re an incredible woman Faith and I hope an inspiration to many young women. ❤️
She’s very brave like you Shelise and I love the little shout out she gave you at the end. I’m so proud of you both! ❤️❤️🤗🤗
Thank you, Jojo! I’m so proud of her as well and we just met lol.
This was a really good episode. I love the mention of setting boundaries doesn’t necessarily mean you’re being selfish. Also @cultstoconsciousness have you thought of trying to reach out to any of the twin flame universe ex cult members?
Thank you for sharing your experience and your trauma with such courage❤
Faith is AMAZING! Such a journey from Cult to self assurance …
I am in AWE of this Woman! Thank you ❤
I really loved this episode. I'm blown away at the simplicity of those principles. Excellent job, both of you! ❤
I have so much respect for Faith and her lifelong hunger for knowledge and perspective that lead her to where she is now. Faith, you are truly an inspiration!
Kudos to Faith Jones for her courage, vision, clarity, and commitment. You are an asset to people in general and women in particular. And to Shelise, as always, you ask very sensitive and astute questions and bring excellent guests onto your show. I wanted to recommend someone whose book I finished reading this morning. Her name is Jayanti Tamm and her book is called CARTWHEELS IN A SARI. She left the Sri Chinmoy cult and has a fascinating story. Today, she teaches English in a college, is married, has kids and really has reclaimed her life.
This is one of your best, most informative videos on cults because this woman is very well educated and able to analyze what went on and put it in perspective as opposed to simply recounting the abusive experience of living in a cult. This woman can be a powerful force against cults and helping the victims of cults recover.
Faith Jones, you are a goddamn genius!! 🤯 The principals you describe truly are the basis of human morality, laid out with such clarity. When people ask “well how can you have morality without religion?” I’ve always known there was something fundamental but never crystallized it for myself. Thank you to the moon for doing that work! It’s something I will carry with me now, and will especially teach to my young daughter 🙏🏻✨♥️
My thoughts exactly!
It's exactly the same moral framework of basic neo-lockean libertarianism
Thank you for having the courage to speak out, you will have opened so many eyes and ears and saved lives❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you for continuing to give a platform for survivors who need their voices heard.
It’s really horrifying to keep learning how property “has more rights” than people (especially women and children) do.
What a really intelligent woman. I really enjoyed hearing about her journey and especially the breakdown of the laws. Thank you for sharing your story and knowledge. You have taught me a lot!!
Excellent interview. Faith seems a very smart and strong lady - living proof your past need not define your present.
Thank you for sharing your story.
I read Faith's book and that was pretty hard to get through. I understand how idealistic people can get sucked into that, but it's staggering how so many people could contend with the abuse. As a brief member of another cult I can say that idealistic people will seek others, but I clearly saw the flaws in that organization. Aside from the abuse, the lack of autonomy is destructive. Faith talks about how hard it was to adapt to the regular world. That's the ultimate evil! I still don't see how she ended up a lawyer, but I now believe there's a higher power that will guide you to your ultimate destination.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. You have added to the breakthroughs I've had in my own recovery from high control groups. I felt so much shame for my sexual history. It led to me having multiple surgeries and being in menopause at 34. It never registered that I was taught a mans arousal was my responsibility, that I couldn't say no. It never connected in my brain until I heard you say it. It will be nice once I can release the shame for these "encounters" I've had in life.
Very sad that Faith was abused at such a young age. Faith seems to have grown into a strong virtuous person. Thank you.
The Secret Garden was my first favorite novel too, still have found thoughts whenever reminded of it. Faith has so MANY words of wisdom to share - thank you! You're the embodiment of changing poison into medicine
Great interview!! I love the last part of the interview: principles class! This should be taught in schools and the workplace. Well articulated!
"Getting revelations". That phrase makes me gag. I am an oldster, and I still don't get why some people believe other people just because they claim that they have received revelation/s. There seem to be vast swaths of humans who either have no common sense or have argued themselves out of their own common sense. Just saying. I do appreciate your channel, Shelise!
what a brilliant guest!
I’m an ‘oldster’ also, and the thing is that anyone, given the right set of circumstances, can fall for this. The tactics are the same ones that individual abusers use. And like we see here, the folks thought they were a group of Christians doing Jesus’ work. Then he separates them from everyone else and convinces them that the Devil is sending minions to persecute them. Then he slowly introduced the horror, saying it was ‘revelation.’ It’s exactly what Joseph Smith did.
I would suggest you also watch Blown for Good-escaping Scientology. You can see really clearly there that these folks are not weak, stupid, or any of that crap.
That was eye opening. I wasn't brought up in a cult, but was brought up in the 60s/70s in Scotland and always struggled with boundaries. I, too, thought that if I had "led him on" I had to go all the way. Many, many times. Also, I always give full body hugs! Is that not a thing? I discovered last year at the age of 59 that I'm ADHD, and it really helped me to realise why I never fit in, and thought I was just crap at life.
So you're not just helping cult survivors! Thank you❤
Such a powerful message for young girls! Thank you for sharing your story and triumph.
Another wonderful interview. Many thanks
I'm so grateful for this interview and others that you've done with members from this group - they help me so much make sense of what happened to me.
Thank you for relating the level of mind control that a cult leader can possess to domestic abuse (one spouse or family unit). This hit hard for me.
You are both incredibly brave women and I value your voices.
This woman is truly amazing -- so thankful for her substantial healing-- such an inspiration!
The 5 rings! Wow! Thanks for simplifying! You made everything so much clearer! :)
Wow! I learned so much in this video. Faith Jones is amazing. Shelise, please introduce her to Aaron! It would be so cool to hear them discuss the contracts that children sign in the cult of Scientology. I think she could be very helpful to that community. Thank you 💜
What an inspiring woman. One of your best interviews. I learned so much and loved the explanation of the moral principles. I wish I knew this when I was much younger.
I loved what she had to say about digging into the Bible!! This is so true! There can be biases in the translations! When we take the time to study and understand the Bible we realize that these cults perverse scripture! I love what Jinger Dugger (I forget her married name) calls it “disentanglement” instead of “deconstruction”. The enemy knows the Bible as well. The enemy of our souls knows the Bible so well that he can slip in lies and make them sound good! When we know the true living Word of God. We can’t help but realize He loves us and never wants us to be treated wrongly. That is where free will comes in…. A whole other topic, too much to get into here. Thanks for another great interview!!
So powerful 👁️ thank you ladies ❣️
Excellent video I learned so much about loving yourself and others without harming anyone
I fully appreciate how talking about principles is extremely difficult. It's so difficult to simplify them for the sake of getting through, and l am extremely grateful and thankful for a channel like this which allows individuals to talk through what they have been through and discovered/ learned for themselves. It allows me to connect, without thinking or feeling that, because I haven't gone through the exact same experience, mine isn't valid. There's so much I can connect with, even if our actual experiences have not been exactly the same, and we are not the same type of person, even though we share commonalities.
Thank you. I am so tired of the endless " fix it" , and 5 to ..... steps to growing type channels. Genuine sharing is for me the most vital.
Thank you for not endlessly interrupting and asking questions .
I am soooooooooooooo happy she brought up how hell isn't even how it's described by most. YAS QUEEN! YES!!!!! Believe the Bible or not, it's amazing to see that shelf get broken. Also the concept of the ancient Jewish belief that the soul dies. I literally shouted out in excitement when she said that. NO ONE talks about that. That rediscovery is exactly what I went through. AND the translation thing. Absolutely 100%. So much does NOT come through. The nail in the coffin on that one is how she said she's through people telling her how to interpret something. That's the point of coming to an independent consciousness.
The soul does NOT die.
@@BognaZone I'm talking about the Hebrew word נפש (nephesh) which is often translated as "soul." Leviticus 21:11, the "dead body" referenced is "dead nephesh." I won't get into this further, but all I was saying was that I was so happy she was reading it without the filter of what she is told to believe. Unfortunately, writing so adamantly that the soul doesn't die kind of proves the point of how unwilling many are to think outside the box. 我不想争论。我的意思只是她现在能自己查经， 不要老听别人说的，能独立得查、独立得想。我们每一个人有个脑，自己用就好。
Her points about the depth of translation problems is phenomenal. It makes a huge difference when it comes to Sanskrit scriptures too!!!!! I REALLY appreciate this woman’s journey , love for God, and depth
The Secret Garden is one of my all time favorites.
This was absolutely fascinating! Faith, you have such beautiful insight. Lisa, you are always amazing, and such an inspirational interviewer and host. Thank you both.
*Faith,* you are AMAZING!! From TED to this interview and everything in between, you are so well versed in capturing ideas and relaying them to help others understand things (and ourselves) we couldn't quite put into words/work through. Your work aids in identifying and understanding things, even down to our most basic or hard to express moral principles. You're a driving force in these conversations!
We all know that identifying things (especially when raised in a cult where you are cut off from your individuality and personal feelings) can be a feat that many struggle with. Props to you for being able to take charge of the traumas you endured and utilize your experiences in such a beautiful way to aid yourself and others.. I can only imagine the sheer number of people you've reached with your eloquence! Keep at it girlie 👏🖤
*SHELISE AND JONATHAN!!!* CONGRATS AGAIN YOU GUYS. This channel is something you two have beautifully put together, I can only imagine the results of your care and compassion raising a little bean.🥺 Congrats a thousand times over.
This episode came at a beautiful time for y'all to drop the news. Building a moral ground that is stable and compassionate for yourself and others is my idea of a great family base. You two are creating something beautiful for this world with your work and with your love. *A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH* 🖤🖤
Much love and support as always :)
What a kind comment! Thank you so much!🥰
Such good insight! Thank you 🙏🏽 very much!
Faith, wow; your story and journey is powerful. You are an inspiration to so many people. I LOVE that you said you are grateful for everything that had happened because it has made you who you are. So many people never get that, or even understand that concept. Many blessings to you to continue your work to help others understand how to start ownership of their body.
I love that Faith's goal is the same as your: individual sovereignty.
She is so right that this is an issue that permeates all of society with women tending to be seen as -- and compared to -- objects. Then incels genuinely feel like that have the RIGHT to sex and women who dont have sex with them are denying their rights.
Thank you so much for bringing Faith on. Faith, thank you for your strength and sharing your very difficult story. It is such a unique experience that you didn't leave bc of disagreeing with the beliefs, but bc you really wanted to learn and that's how your eyes opened.
I love everything about this video. Strong, resilient and inspiring. Thank you both. After watching 2 of your videos, I felt the confirmation of being on the right path. The words that were drawn to me are: VULNERABLE, SOUL HEALING, HONEST, TRUTH, RESILIENT, GENUINE, AUTHENTIC, WHOLE, LOVED, PERSISTENT, GRATITUDE & ENOUGH! I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH! ~ From Vanna Sing, Tacoma, Washington 253
This was very inspiring! I really connected with her mindset and worldly outlook. Amazing women!! ❤
As a pre med student who’s worked in health care as a scribe with a very strong sense of internal morals and ethics this idea of the circles is incredible to put that into words
I am so grateful for my Mom and how she raised me. She didn't have the formal or academic wording but I was raised to say no and have that be respected, I had bodily autonomy and it was reinforced that my body was mine and I decided how and where I would be touched. Thank You Mama for going with your gut!
Faith, your strength and resilience are inspiring! You have created a great life and are being of service. Your child is blessed with an amazing mother who leads by example and will encourage curiosity, open mindedness, and a thirst for knowledge and understanding. Blessings to you and your family.
Wow, I loved hearing this healing journey. It had helped me along my path. A real beacon of light that guids my own way
Thank you for sharing these stories and creating a platform where we can hold space for each other ❤️
I wish you would do a video on the tens of thousands of boys who got abused by catholic priests during the last centuries! Thank you so much!
Thanks!
Thank you!❤️
I took notes on this one 😂 Thank you so very much!
Glad it was helpful!
Fabulous interview !!! And Fabulous guest !!!!
Amazing conversation 😊
I love it! The logic and intelligence, and the simple principl(es), ...Einstein, respect!! Wouldn’t have been possible with a cult mind, but with consciousness!
I would love to apply this to animal and plant rights, which can be tricky when you step on a snail 😉 but we are sharing this planet and groups of cultishly influenced people are the threat to each other and nature in general.
It freaks me out that you can be born into some countries or families and your rights are violated from day 1...
Shelise, another awesome interview!! ❤️💃🏻
Wow. Incredible freaking interview.
Many of the interviews you do are thoughtful and important. I mean the following as constructive feedback. I have clicked off videos early when I have heard terms misused. Most recently, the term trauma bond was used to describe a connection people can feel when sharing stories of hardship. That is not what a trauma bond is. A trauma bond really occurs between the perpetrator of harm and the recipient. Please offer clarification if you purposely use terms incorrectly. Many people use this term to mean a friendship of two people who share a similar background and I understand the conversational value of using terms in this manner. If you are unfamiliar with the accurate meaning of terms, please learn them. For clarity, I cannot remember what recent video had this issue and I have not listened to this video yet. Perhaps this oversight has been addressed.
Thank you so much for this. I work since decades with Feminist Self Defence. This concrete way of comparing ownership of the body to ownership of possessions I will definitely explore. I have done things similar to that. I guess that comes naturally when training to for instance practicing strategies for keeping an item, when someone is trying to take it from you - and then in diffent ways compare that to different aspects of your own safety and integrity. But to see it conceptualised by a lawyer seems very interesting.
For me this comparison between different kind of systems is very useful to easier see similarities in patterns and structures. Comparing mainstream societies with cults and relationships considered normal with obviously abusive ones.
By the way. Our human rights (the convention) was written for only men, which wasn't changed until shortly before it was made an official document. That is so telling. And that is why we need the CEDAW and the Istanbul document.
1:12:36 - oh my goodnesssss!!! As a Hebraic believer, I am a “Christian,” living in the Bible Belt, raised on hell, fire and brimstone, that doesn’t believe in an eternal hell. In my whole life I have only ever met one other person who believes this way, I would really really like to meet this woman!!
I am a Universalist. I believe there is a hell but it's not punishment but a state we get ourselves into. And I believe Hell is either empty or it is just until the end of time and not for eternity. (Different things) I believe all beings will be reconsiled in the end.
Thank you! Great podcast. Looking forward to reading her books! She’s such an intelligent, resilient, human being!
So much insight from these children of God survivors, wider ramifications for us all… how cult principles are being employed by the military and countries like the US at large…
Thank you for your channel,/podcast. I just left a msg about your wedding, I Loved. But you doing these youtube videos are so Great for saving women, and man , mostly women, from Cults. Thank you Thank you. I grew up Reorganized LDS. Now I'm so upset with the whole Joe Smith Scoundral, rapist ,Awful person. I've been researching l Iots of Mormon and other Lds videos. And I'm so Happy you have this youtube podcast to get The TRUTH OUT THERE ,IN THE WORLD 🌎 ❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you, Karen!❤️
I am a child of sa and many other abuses. My husband tells me when im feeling weak that I'm one of the strongest women he has ever known. That i fought though so much that he couldn't even imagine going through. He is my rock when my mind goes back into the ugly rabbit hole of the mind. I am so glad he is my husband.
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1:11:58 love how you studied the origin of the Bible! ❤❤❤
Responsibility and accountability is essential
I really like the clarity she has in her moral principles. To have come to that after coming out of the environment she did is amazing. :-)
Absolutely inspiring! Thank you!
It's fascinating that you're talking about moral law, and the basis for the things we all hold true, its almost the exact same thing that Catholicism teaches, called Natural Law. Which is essentially the moral truths that every human instinctively knows, regardless of creed. Things like murder, theft, etc. I really like the way you've laid out how they are all intimately connected and lead into one another.
I'm an ex member of this cult,it took me along long time to realise that my body is mine and I do belong to me.
I raised my daughters the same, 2 are good, but two aren't one was abused by her step father before and after we were in this cult and he blamed this cult he went to jail but he has never taken responsibility for his actions.
I was told to do things i didnt feel comfortable with but i didn't want to be deemed out of it.
I still have flash backs, and I'm finally learning to be me.
Though my relationship with my children is very rocky.
Another absolutely amazing strong woman. What a true legend