Literally every video I watch from this channel fixes another element of my shot. I was very much in the swing your own swing mindset and thought I was too inflexible for a pro swing but I've been able to reproduce every aspect they've explained within a day. Incredible lessons!
Thank you again. I really love this video. This is some of your best work IMO and I imagine took a lot to pull all the Gears data together. I remember watching it when it was released and it really challenged some of my beliefs back then which were picked up from the dominant character in golf instruction at the time.
You guys are transforming my golf game like never before. I first heard of "shallowing the club" from a friend and tried to do it but didn't really understand it. This video makes it crystal clear. After working on the range for a short while, I finally felt the torque and starting crushing my driver and my irons! Thank you guys for the clarity!
This could be the best video on increasing clubhead speed out there. Great breakdown on starting hand speed early in the downswing without steeping the club. Awesome stuff.
This is gold! Appreciate you guys listening to your audience I was one of the many people asking for clarity on increasing hand speed while “pulling the handle” and this cleared that up. The right arm losing width on the downswing is me to a tee!
We shoot these a good ways in advance of when they air, but we do read all the comments and try to help clarify as much as we can. Thanks for watching, again!😊
This drill is perfect for many reasons. One being for those like me that tilt the shoulders way too early in the downswing. Like Shaun shows, this is a symptom of your trail arm not straightening early enough or moving your hands away from your trail shoulder fast enough. I’ve known this but could never find a drill or move that worked (for me) until this drill. A light bulb moment for me. Thanks guys 🙏🙏🙏
This is a great drill. I started doing this just a couple of days after studying technique and I am now hitting irons a lot higher and longer with better compression. By moving hands down, I am also able to keep head behind ball which in turns promotes higher ball flight. I feel like I have increased my clubhead speed and can't wait to practice technique to increase speed with my driver.
Yes, yes, yes! Tried this at the range and just gained 20 yards off every club. Now need to work on controlling this better but this and the video before it about hand speed just changed my game! Amazing.
Just realized that having less bend in the right arm makes it easier to keep the left arm straight; there is more width in the swing, and less arm moment to get to impact. Thanks for sharing another great insight guys!
Interesting concept concerning the relationship of the hand swing and body turn in the downswing - George Gankas (Matt Wolfe's teacher) says to keep the hands up at the start of the downswing because a quick pull down of the hands interferes with body rotation. Your data shows that the hand speed needs to get to its maximum sooner and the Pete Cowan drill that McElroy uses demonstrates this -- get those hands moving down faster, quicker and sooner. I guess the secret (if there is one) is to get the hands moving down faster and keep the body rotation going fast too, while keeping their proper relationship. I guess Tiger Woods with his body speed was one of the few who could do both.
The Rory drill!! The explanation of the left arm extension and the avoidance of collapsing the right arm is seminal. Everything else follows. The BEST.
Thank you so much! This drill helped my 7 year old learn how to get his arm down and in front to stop scooping the ball. It took 1 minute to do the drill and the next swing he had his hands in front with shaft lean at impact. We have been trying to get rid of his scooping for the past 3.5 months!
Really have taken advantage of your instructional analysis and videos! I have improved my swing dramatically in a short time. Just got back from the range. I watched my swing in slow motion and noticed my club is pointing significantly inside of the ball. This drill will allow me to improve this move!!
Great idea - you can bet I'll be using that drill during the hour warm-up before my next Sunday round. Sometimes these tips are more than just swing improvement thoughts - they can be confirmation that I am working on the right moves. Little by little I'm feeling a better swing attach itself to my game because of the help you guys offer. Thanks
I love this drill. Anything that encourages speed and force (especially with the big stick) is much easier to ingrain than slow methodical movements. I can't wait to try this on the range.
That is the best explanation for increasing speed that I have seen. I watched the first one AM vs Pro showing the same hand speed but I did not quite understand how to practice the arm extension. The Rory drill you showed makes perfect sense. 72 years young and a still single digit.
I know this is a 2 year old video, but it was the missing piece for me for club path. We are starting year 3 of golfing. Much progress has been made, but was struggling not pull/slice my driver. All your content is awesome! Thanks.
Always a pleasure watching you guys and the drills you provide to improve our game. I also love this drill to feel where my right shoulder should be in the downswing, I had a problem moving my shoulder out towards the target line from the top, doing this drill properly stops that from happening, thanks again.
Can't wait to give this a try! I am at the point where I make relatively good contact with all my clubs, and the ball is straight to a nice little cut, but they don't carry as far as they should. I've been relatively passive with the hands/arms and I think some speed from the top with the Rory drill will really help!!
Would like to see a video on how the hands works through the hitting zone(club parallel before impact to club parallel after impact). Seems to me there is a lot a variety after impact. Some players are rotating left wrist while others let it fold. You observations would be much appreciated. Thanks for so many great videos.
Thank for telling me the hand speed drill... I watched this video yesterday morning, went in the evening to the range, tried the drill and my shaft broke in 3 pieces 😅😂 Instantly I knew, I have enough hand speed 💪🏻
This is the best instruction site I have ever seen. Scientifically proven advice with digital graphics to convey it. Hands moving faster at the top is contrary to everything I have ever heard, yet it makes sense! You guys are amazing.
It was a great video. That simple drill taught me so much about the golf swing. The more I learn about the golf swing the more i'm amazed at how much I don't know about the golf swing. 3 handicapper.
Isn't THAT the truth! And, I'm very happy to find AMG because it seems like they have more clarity on what's real than anyone else I can find. I have spent two decades heavy on lessons and misguided practice. AMG will help me get the most out of what limited talent I have.
Hey guys, I've been watching golf instruction for over 50 yrs, OK 60 yrs and I've never seen this explanation, especially backing up with gears. I have missed gears on other vids so I would like to suggest using it to illustrate your points on EVERY video, seeing is believing. Great work keep it up
Rob Cote we love using it in videos too, but it takes a tremendous amount of time to add it in. So we can’t promise it in every video but we are planning on using it more👍
The right arm straightening in the down swing is really subtle (15-20 degrees and progressive). The movement of the upper body to the left in the downswing is subtle too (just enough to re-centre). A better thought for me is ensuring my hands move on a full wide arc in the downswing (just as they do in the backswing). Also, remember at impact the right arm isn't fully straight in the Pros, so why aim to straighten it before impact as an Am?
@@Algh-xw9xv There's one swing thought there Alex, and the rest are facts about how the best in the game move. Still too complicated for you? Thought so.
Love Mike and Shawn. This video reminds me of an older video by Stephen Deane called "punch it down". Stephen is a protege of Pete Cowan and has some great swing videos. I love how Shawn was promoting the downward motion to create speed with the drill. Lots to incorporate for me in this video.
Thanks so much for this incredibly informative and, for me, pertinent information. There's so much stuff out there, and you are one of, if not the, only guys who back it up with what we all, as confused and aspiring golfers, need - evidence. Brilliant. Best info on RUclips by a mile. Thanks for posting.
Great video. I have been looking for a drill to help with my width and shallowing the club. I have seen the split hand drill before but no one explained it in a way that made sense to me like you guys did. Thank you. I'll be watching your videos a lot from now on.
Another great video guys. I love how you deconstruct the swing in parts. It makes it so much easier to understand the correct movements needed for elite golf as well as amateurs trying to improve. Keep up the good work.
Great info guys. I've found concentrating on a little hip separation or squat gives me a natural flattening on the down swing. This drill gives me a bit more hand speed as well.
Agree 100 pct. Don’t know about you Chris but I also find with the increased speed it’s way easier to get the hands ahead of club head at impact which is what you strive for especially with irons.
I’ve just come back from my backyard. You’ve undone years of my following advice that has stifled my swing speed. This video along with the previous pro to amateur analysis has been eye opening. Thanks!
What those top view videos show to me is that while all three golfers have a lot of adduction of the left humerus to the right shoulder at the top, some of that is immediately released as they gain width in the initial phase of the downswing. The hands move before the shoulders turn, so essentially they start releasing the arms prior to the initial rotation of the shoulders. Then as shoulder rotation starts, the release of the arms appears to slow as the rotation accelerates, and then arm release increases again as the rotational acceleration decreases and and the arms catch up again. This is a helluva trick. So you want to gain width and release some of the arm angle which gets the clubhead accelerating early, but you then have to ease up on the arm action and t let the rotation control the remainder of the downswing. I personally struggle with finding the balance between the arm release and rotation. I also believe this is what causes Speith to get erratic with his long game.
@@AthleticMotionGolf I am a visual learner, but sometimes the '2D' videos I watch cause as many problems as they solve. Gears gives me the whole picture perfectly. Thanks again!
Could you please clarify what you mean by “until the hands get under the shoulder turn ” during your explanation of hand path using the green arrows? You guys set the standard. Great content and great teamwork.
Alex Graham Thanks for your input. That is what I thought too but wasn’t sure how far below the trail shoulder the hands got while moving vertically before moving out towards the ball.
One of your best videos IMO, which says a lot because your videos are always exceptional. Your explanation of the hand path along with Gears was very clear and very helpful to me, personally. Thanks!
Great video guys the simplest way to move the club from the top is what Ben Hogan did he visualized pulling an arrow out of the quiver, that not only extend your arms out away from your body, but it flattens your swing coming into the ball creating an inside out swing. Thank you!
I swear, you guys are always worthwhile -- maybe a nitpick here or there, but nearly always solid -- but sometimes you release a vid that's above even that high standard. Several really good things going on here, but one thing that jumps out as a real finding is that overhead shot of the three pros (I'm betting you have DJ and Rory there, at least, and I think it may be 2 and 3, but it doesn't matter), you're talking about right-arm bends not only less than 90 degrees, but a _lot_ less than 90. And all three either a little laid off or a little short of parallel (which can give the laid-off look, of course) -- hard to tell from the overhead shot alone. But the point is, _distinctly_ less than 90. I played at a plus-2 to plus-4 level and taught some, too, and I always would've agreed with you about the need for the right arm not to collapse and go past 90. But to see three top players this short is a bit surprising even to me. Just from the look, I'd say these were probably irons. If so, how different is that angle with driver? Do you have that somewhere? Reminds me of how Leadbetter in the '90s was always on about staying at 90 degrees or short of it. Even had that training aid (the Right Angle, I think it was). It was one of the few commercially available aids that actually did people some good. People can say what they want about Lead -- I mean, how could a guy who once had four of the top seven players in the world coming to him possibly have any idea what he was talking about, right? -- but on points like this one, he was dead right. I wonder if he knew some of the best players were actually well _short_ of 90. Maybe so. I really could get several pages out of the other good things going on in this vid. The thing I love so much about the stuff you guys put out is that it's so completely neutral and observational, not trying to push anybody's method, just descriptive. It's the closest thing to something like Cochran and Stobbs in at least a generation, afaic.
This is a revelation (Maybe). I've been focused on staying connected and avoiding that quick arm move. I thought any such move would bring me "over the top". But now I see how that's not necessarily so IF you have the club properly shallowed. I can't wait to go outside during my lunch break and "feel" this move.
Gents, any advice for a player with limited (external rotation) mobility in the shoulder...club naturally pushes out vs in and back like i want it to and as you describe. appreciate your help. great video!
Should we also actually FEEL that swallowing action at the top of the backswing by feeling a looping motion at the top and maby during the recentering or is thatgoing to be too much swallowing
So are you saying start the downswing with your arms and hands? If so, when does "lag" happen? For consistency, shouldn't the lower body or left hip start the downswing? I would think for high handicappers this move will add to spraying the ball.
This legit may be the best video on the swing. Hands moving down and AWAY width right arm width from the top solves so many problems. Not to mention width creates incredible speed with minimal effort and shaft lean. Too much trail arm bend throws the whole swing out of sync, causing the body to stall for the right arm to catch up, and causing you to throw your hands/flip at the ball because the trail arm bend has moved the club too far above the ball.
Very nice video, guys. I'm a senior golfer with a hip replacement and soon to have a knee replacement, so I don't have the same body rotation and coil that I once had. But increasing hand speed with the drill you showed sounds promising. I'll work on it. Thanks!
Excellent guys, the physics behind what you teach is real. I love that you give a drill or two at the end of your videos so we can put it into practice.
Great demo boys. Only wish I had was completing the lesson by showing what the move is with the ball in front and hands at top showing the transition while hitting in slow mo. The complete move to contact of ball. Just a thought.
Is there a mechanical advantage of having a 90 deree bend in the right arm at the top over say 76 or so as the pros have in the iron swings demonstrated? It looks to me you are better off with less than 90 degrees and is there more bend with a driver than irons in general?
Broke my regular shaft today. Luckily just a sore hand, but cost £100 to replace it. Have to say the drill did seem to be helping. Probably best suited to stiff shafts though.
I've been doing this drill using my alignment sticks, instead. I'll do it with two alignment sticks and then the drill to get my hips to start my swing by treading one through my front belt loops and one across my shoulders. Your alignment stick on your shoulders should hit the belt loop one. If you miss, you're swinging across the line and starting your swing with your arms, instead of your hips first. 👍
The drill with separating your hands is great; I finally got my hands in front of the ball and my swing speed went way up, but I snapped my M2 7 iron after about 20 times doing it.. my extra stiff driver staff felt like it was going to break so I figured I'd grab a steel shafted iron... So much for that idea! My right hand is all cut up and bleeding.. at least it wasn't fiber.
Do you agree? Ben Hogan’s description of how the hands move out and away-not down-to keep width and build angular momentum (rotation) of the club: “I feel like I’m taking an arrow out of a quiver.” If you pulled the arrow straight down it wouldn’t come out, it would get stuck. The hands must move away-back along the target line-to pull the arrow out of the quiver. In other words: you have to straighten the right arm to pull the arrow out. Pull it hard and produce the motion you were doing in your drill.
This video has been great. The exact concept I am working with my instructor. Always good to see it from different angles, which helps me to connect what he is asking me to do.
Where do you measure the right arm bend? Am’s with 175 degrees of right arm bend would look like a ‘straight arm’ or almost completely collapsed? Love your stuff guys
THis video addresses two things that I have struggled with for a long time - steep shaft angle and hands to far into the body. Great drills to work on....thanks guys.
Great video as always. I just tried the rory drill with a mizuno 6 iron and snapped the shaft on the 2nd pump, so yeah, probably best to do it with a graphite shaft, lol. Guess that proves I'm creating enough speed with my hands.
Hi, I understood this lesson until I tried the Drill !, I could not transition the feeling of bringing the club head down to actually hitting the ball, I would hit the ground between ball and feet and far behind the ball, perhaps you could do a follow up lesson !
I tried this straightening the arm and bring hands straight down and it works 👍. One question on rotating chest. Is it ok to pull lats forward instead of rotating chest? Thank you Chris.
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Literally every video I watch from this channel fixes another element of my shot.
I was very much in the swing your own swing mindset and thought I was too inflexible for a pro swing but I've been able to reproduce every aspect they've explained within a day. Incredible lessons!
Yes , we have as many problems as there are videos . Hopefully they will stop publishing !
One of the best explanations I have ever seen on YT. Thanks for this.
Thanks for watching🙏
Thank you again. I really love this video. This is some of your best work IMO and I imagine took a lot to pull all the Gears data together. I remember watching it when it was released and it really challenged some of my beliefs back then which were picked up from the dominant character in golf instruction at the time.
I am also revisiting this gem!
You guys are transforming my golf game like never before. I first heard of "shallowing the club" from a friend and tried to do it but didn't really understand it. This video makes it crystal clear. After working on the range for a short while, I finally felt the torque and starting crushing my driver and my irons! Thank you guys for the clarity!
This could be the best video on increasing clubhead speed out there. Great breakdown on starting hand speed early in the downswing without steeping the club. Awesome stuff.
I'll say it again: you guys are the best at employing GEARS for the golf swing. I learn so much, so quickly. Thanks!
Thanks brother🙏
@@AthleticMotionGolf Yah man.
This is gold! Appreciate you guys listening to your audience I was one of the many people asking for clarity on increasing hand speed while “pulling the handle” and this cleared that up. The right arm losing width on the downswing is me to a tee!
We shoot these a good ways in advance of when they air, but we do read all the comments and try to help clarify as much as we can. Thanks for watching, again!😊
Lads, thanks so much for following up with this video. Love the instruction, lots of ideas you don't hear often. Keep up the good work
Thanks!!
of the instructors I've seen, you guys are the smartest in the game right now, thanks for the content
This drill is perfect for many reasons. One being for those like me that tilt the shoulders way too early in the downswing. Like Shaun shows, this is a symptom of your trail arm not straightening early enough or moving your hands away from your trail shoulder fast enough. I’ve known this but could never find a drill or move that worked (for me) until this drill. A light bulb moment for me. Thanks guys 🙏🙏🙏
This is a great drill. I started doing this just a couple of days after studying technique and I am now hitting irons a lot higher and longer with better compression. By moving hands down, I am also able to keep head behind ball which in turns promotes higher ball flight. I feel like I have increased my clubhead speed and can't wait to practice technique to increase speed with my driver.
Best golf channel. I recommend you guys to many people that come in my proshop
Yes, yes, yes! Tried this at the range and just gained 20 yards off every club. Now need to work on controlling this better but this and the video before it about hand speed just changed my game! Amazing.
Just realized that having less bend in the right arm makes it easier to keep the left arm straight; there is more width in the swing, and less arm moment to get to impact. Thanks for sharing another great insight guys!
Interesting concept concerning the relationship of the hand swing and body turn in the downswing - George Gankas (Matt Wolfe's teacher) says to keep the hands up at the start of the downswing because a quick pull down of the hands interferes with body rotation. Your data shows that the hand speed needs to get to its maximum sooner and the Pete Cowan drill that McElroy uses demonstrates this -- get those hands moving down faster, quicker and sooner. I guess the secret (if there is one) is to get the hands moving down faster and keep the body rotation going fast too, while keeping their proper relationship. I guess Tiger Woods with his body speed was one of the few who could do both.
The Rory drill!! The explanation of the left arm extension and the avoidance of collapsing the right arm is seminal. Everything else follows. The BEST.
Thank you so much! This drill helped my 7 year old learn how to get his arm down and in front to stop scooping the ball. It took 1 minute to do the drill and the next swing he had his hands in front with shaft lean at impact. We have been trying to get rid of his scooping for the past 3.5 months!
Love it! They learn fast at that age👏
Really have taken advantage of your instructional analysis and videos! I have improved my swing dramatically in a short time. Just got back from the range. I watched my swing in slow motion and noticed my club is pointing significantly inside of the ball. This drill will allow me to improve this move!!
Great idea - you can bet I'll be using that drill during the hour warm-up before my next Sunday round. Sometimes these tips are more than just swing improvement thoughts - they can be confirmation that I am working on the right moves. Little by little I'm feeling a better swing attach itself to my game because of the help you guys offer. Thanks
78tag love how you phrased that because that’s exactly how improving your swing happens! Great job👏
I love this drill. Anything that encourages speed and force (especially with the big stick) is much easier to ingrain than slow methodical movements. I can't wait to try this on the range.
We agree! Just don't use so much force that you break the shaft
Great video thanks! Does this drill work for seniors?
That is the best explanation for increasing speed that I have seen. I watched the first one AM vs Pro showing the same hand speed but I did not quite understand how to practice the arm extension. The Rory drill you showed makes perfect sense. 72 years young and a still single digit.
I like the blend of IRL demonstration with a gears perspective at the end. The lesson really gets through comprehensibly
Definitely. I'm a big fan of gears. Nothing like seeing the data put onto a motion captivated 3D model. Love it!!
Finally some sense about shallowing. Bravo and thanks.
Great info. Am older n lost NY swing. Thanks to u guys I think I might regain some of my old form
I know this is a 2 year old video, but it was the missing piece for me for club path. We are starting year 3 of golfing. Much progress has been made, but was struggling not pull/slice my driver. All your content is awesome! Thanks.
This is your best video ever. So many great concepts.
Always a pleasure watching you guys and the drills you provide to improve our game. I also love this drill to feel where my right shoulder should be in the downswing, I had a problem moving my shoulder out towards the target line from the top, doing this drill properly stops that from happening, thanks again.
That's a great point that we forgot to mention, Mike. This is a great drill to do for good right shoulder movement. Great job👏
One of the best drills! I need to save this one. I couldn’t find it.
Looks like the Pump drill with the hands separated. I think you have illustrated my exact problem that is keeping my club head speed down.
Thanks.
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Can't wait to give this a try! I am at the point where I make relatively good contact with all my clubs, and the ball is straight to a nice little cut, but they don't carry as far as they should. I've been relatively passive with the hands/arms and I think some speed from the top with the Rory drill will really help!!
Great video. I struggle with leaving my hands up too long or stagnant while rotating
The best channel for instruction. I wish you guys were closer
Would like to see a video on how the hands works through the hitting zone(club parallel before impact to club parallel after impact). Seems to me there is a lot a variety after impact. Some players are rotating left wrist while others let it fold. You observations would be much appreciated. Thanks for so many great videos.
Thank for telling me the hand speed drill... I watched this video yesterday morning, went in the evening to the range, tried the drill and my shaft broke in 3 pieces 😅😂
Instantly I knew, I have enough hand speed 💪🏻
Thanks for this! Most useful video about shallowing! Now my right arm understands what to do...
Love it👊
This is the best instruction site I have ever seen. Scientifically proven advice with digital graphics to convey it. Hands moving faster at the top is contrary to everything I have ever heard, yet it makes sense! You guys are amazing.
Thanks for watching!
I trust your advice more than any other coach because of the gears system. You have the proof.
Thanks, Jerry, we love being able to share what actually happens in good swings.
It was a great video. That simple drill taught me so much about the golf swing. The more I learn about the golf swing the more i'm amazed at how much I don't know about the golf swing. 3 handicapper.
Isn't THAT the truth! And, I'm very happy to find AMG because it seems like they have more clarity on what's real than anyone else I can find. I have spent two decades heavy on lessons and misguided practice. AMG will help me get the most out of what limited talent I have.
So instructive.. feedback is instantaneous.... coupled with "Pro-Am" lower body movement analysis is pure GOLD
THIS. Is pure gold! All your videos are great but this video resonated with me more than any other. Lets go 2020 driver season!
C'mon!👊
One of the best tips I have ever seen !!! Really helped me with my downswing path and much added swing speed and distance. Thank you !!!!
Great video. I do appreciate these types of videos on the course with real demos instead of just showing the 3D videos.
I love the science, the data and the analysis. Been looking for something like this for a while and finally found it. Great videos. Thanks.
Glad you're enjoying the videos!!
same, it's awesome
Just consistently great content. How is there not millions of subscribers to this channel?
Hey guys, I've been watching golf instruction for over 50 yrs, OK 60 yrs and I've never seen this explanation, especially backing up with gears. I have missed gears on other vids so I would like to suggest using it to illustrate your points on EVERY video, seeing is believing. Great work keep it up
Rob Cote we love using it in videos too, but it takes a tremendous amount of time to add it in. So we can’t promise it in every video but we are planning on using it more👍
Pushing away your arms from your body as your upper & lower body moves forward at transition is a game changer to me. Thanks!
The right arm straightening in the down swing is really subtle (15-20 degrees and progressive). The movement of the upper body to the left in the downswing is subtle too (just enough to re-centre). A better thought for me is ensuring my hands move on a full wide arc in the downswing (just as they do in the backswing). Also, remember at impact the right arm isn't fully straight in the Pros, so why aim to straighten it before impact as an Am?
@@Algh-xw9xv There's one swing thought there Alex, and the rest are facts about how the best in the game move. Still too complicated for you? Thought so.
Love Mike and Shawn. This video reminds me of an older video by Stephen Deane called "punch it down". Stephen is a protege of Pete Cowan and has some great swing videos. I love how Shawn was promoting the downward motion to create speed with the drill. Lots to incorporate for me in this video.
me too, i got the same idea from stephen deane and it works for me.
Correction: Shaun...so sorry.
Thanks so much for this incredibly informative and, for me, pertinent information. There's so much stuff out there, and you are one of, if not the, only guys who back it up with what we all, as confused and aspiring golfers, need - evidence. Brilliant. Best info on RUclips by a mile. Thanks for posting.
Richard Jeffrey thanks for watching!🙏🏻👊
Great video. I have been looking for a drill to help with my width and shallowing the club. I have seen the split hand drill before but no one explained it in a way that made sense to me like you guys did. Thank you. I'll be watching your videos a lot from now on.
Boy, this couldn't have come a better time..This video is Awesome, the gears really clears things up at least for me. Thank You so much.
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching🙏
Another great video guys. I love how you deconstruct the swing in parts. It makes it so much easier to understand the correct movements needed for elite golf as well as amateurs trying to improve. Keep up the good work.
Glad they're helping, SJW. Thanks for watching🙏
Great info guys. I've found concentrating on a little hip separation or squat gives me a natural flattening on the down swing. This drill gives me a bit more hand speed as well.
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Agree 100 pct. Don’t know about you Chris but I also find with the increased speed it’s way easier to get the hands ahead of club head at impact which is what you strive for especially with irons.
Love the drill and your channel, broke the shaft on my second attempt! The important note doesn't show up when you watch it on tv.
I’ve just come back from my backyard. You’ve undone years of my following advice that has stifled my swing speed. This video along with the previous pro to amateur analysis has been eye opening. Thanks!
William Tenorio love it nice work👊
What those top view videos show to me is that while all three golfers have a lot of adduction of the left humerus to the right shoulder at the top, some of that is immediately released as they gain width in the initial phase of the downswing. The hands move before the shoulders turn, so essentially they start releasing the arms prior to the initial rotation of the shoulders. Then as shoulder rotation starts, the release of the arms appears to slow as the rotation accelerates, and then arm release increases again as the rotational acceleration decreases and and the arms catch up again.
This is a helluva trick.
So you want to gain width and release some of the arm angle which gets the clubhead accelerating early, but you then have to ease up on the arm action and t let the rotation control the remainder of the downswing. I personally struggle with finding the balance between the arm release and rotation. I also believe this is what causes Speith to get erratic with his long game.
Matt Bonneville there’s only one acceleration and deceleration of the arms👍
I LOVE the gears stuff. It teaches to the way I learn better than anything. Thanks guys!
What about it connects with you, RD?
@@AthleticMotionGolf I am a visual learner, but sometimes the '2D' videos I watch cause as many problems as they solve. Gears gives me the whole picture perfectly. Thanks again!
Found it! This answers my questions about the Am’s proper intent ! Just perfect! Thanks again Regards Ian
Could you please clarify what you mean by “until the hands get under the shoulder turn ” during your explanation of hand path using the green arrows? You guys set the standard. Great content and great teamwork.
Alex Graham Thanks for your input. That is what I thought too but wasn’t sure how far below the trail shoulder the hands got while moving vertically before moving out towards the ball.
One of your best videos IMO, which says a lot because your videos are always exceptional. Your explanation of the hand path along with Gears was very clear and very helpful to me, personally. Thanks!
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it and glad it helped👊
Great video backed up by real evidence. Thanks for what you do for the game!
Great video guys the simplest way to move the club from the top is what Ben Hogan did he visualized pulling an arrow out of the quiver, that not only extend your arms out away from your body, but it flattens your swing coming into the ball creating an inside out swing. Thank you!
Oh wow. That recentering early and extending the right arm with down hand path kind of automatically seems to turn the hand clockwise. Great stuff!
I swear, you guys are always worthwhile -- maybe a nitpick here or there, but nearly always solid -- but sometimes you release a vid that's above even that high standard. Several really good things going on here, but one thing that jumps out as a real finding is that overhead shot of the three pros (I'm betting you have DJ and Rory there, at least, and I think it may be 2 and 3, but it doesn't matter), you're talking about right-arm bends not only less than 90 degrees, but a _lot_ less than 90. And all three either a little laid off or a little short of parallel (which can give the laid-off look, of course) -- hard to tell from the overhead shot alone. But the point is, _distinctly_ less than 90.
I played at a plus-2 to plus-4 level and taught some, too, and I always would've agreed with you about the need for the right arm not to collapse and go past 90. But to see three top players this short is a bit surprising even to me. Just from the look, I'd say these were probably irons. If so, how different is that angle with driver? Do you have that somewhere?
Reminds me of how Leadbetter in the '90s was always on about staying at 90 degrees or short of it. Even had that training aid (the Right Angle, I think it was). It was one of the few commercially available aids that actually did people some good. People can say what they want about Lead -- I mean, how could a guy who once had four of the top seven players in the world coming to him possibly have any idea what he was talking about, right? -- but on points like this one, he was dead right. I wonder if he knew some of the best players were actually well _short_ of 90. Maybe so.
I really could get several pages out of the other good things going on in this vid. The thing I love so much about the stuff you guys put out is that it's so completely neutral and observational, not trying to push anybody's method, just descriptive. It's the closest thing to something like Cochran and Stobbs in at least a generation, afaic.
Wow!
I just tried it at the range with my irons. Crisp straight shots. Secret sauce drill!
Is there a common wrist move happening with the back and away pulling of the club?
There was an Aid maybe 10-15years ago all the K. Swing Magic...is this similar to what you demonstrated with the split grip technique?
This is a revelation (Maybe). I've been focused on staying connected and avoiding that quick arm move. I thought any such move would bring me "over the top". But now I see how that's not necessarily so IF you have the club properly shallowed. I can't wait to go outside during my lunch break and "feel" this move.
Gents, any advice for a player with limited (external rotation) mobility in the shoulder...club naturally pushes out vs in and back like i want it to and as you describe. appreciate your help. great video!
Can’t wait to try this. I had a feeling keeping the hands up while rotating body just didn’t sound right for speed.
Trust those instincts👊😊
Should we also actually FEEL that swallowing action at the top of the backswing by feeling a looping motion at the top and maby during the recentering or is thatgoing to be too much swallowing
So are you saying start the downswing with your arms and hands? If so, when does "lag" happen? For consistency, shouldn't the lower body or left hip start the downswing? I would think for high handicappers this move will add to spraying the ball.
Love the drill and love the fact that these guys actually respond to many comments and questions.
So from the view at 15:43 would you say they are furthest left at left arm parallel?
This legit may be the best video on the swing. Hands moving down and AWAY width right arm width from the top solves so many problems. Not to mention width creates incredible speed with minimal effort and shaft lean. Too much trail arm bend throws the whole swing out of sync, causing the body to stall for the right arm to catch up, and causing you to throw your hands/flip at the ball because the trail arm bend has moved the club too far above the ball.
Very nice video, guys. I'm a senior golfer with a hip replacement and soon to have a knee replacement, so I don't have the same body rotation and coil that I once had. But increasing hand speed with the drill you showed sounds promising. I'll work on it. Thanks!
Ed in NM let us k ow how it goes👍
Excellent guys, the physics behind what you teach is real. I love that you give a drill or two at the end of your videos so we can put it into practice.
Awesome! Thanks for watching🙏
Great Stuff!!!
Great demo boys. Only wish I had was completing the lesson by showing what the move is with the ball in front and hands at top showing the transition while hitting in slow mo. The complete move to contact of ball. Just a thought.
Question: does that Rory drill more accurately place your trail hand or your lead hand where you want it to be?
Is there a mechanical advantage of having a 90 deree bend in the right arm at the top over say 76 or so as the pros have in the iron swings demonstrated? It looks to me you are better off with less than 90 degrees and is there more bend with a driver than irons in general?
No. No mechanical advantage at all. If you can do less, do it👊
Broke my regular shaft today. Luckily just a sore hand, but cost £100 to replace it. Have to say the drill did seem to be helping. Probably best suited to stiff shafts though.
Damn, Shaun was getting fired up....love it!!
love your golf instruction guys!
Broke my Hogan 2 iron doing this drill. Need a stronger shaft for this!
Love the drill
I've been doing this drill using my alignment sticks, instead. I'll do it with two alignment sticks and then the drill to get my hips to start my swing by treading one through my front belt loops and one across my shoulders. Your alignment stick on your shoulders should hit the belt loop one. If you miss, you're swinging across the line and starting your swing with your arms, instead of your hips first. 👍
Can I use this exercise for the irons? Great work, thank you!
The drill with separating your hands is great; I finally got my hands in front of the ball and my swing speed went way up, but I snapped my M2 7 iron after about 20 times doing it.. my extra stiff driver staff felt like it was going to break so I figured I'd grab a steel shafted iron... So much for that idea! My right hand is all cut up and bleeding.. at least it wasn't fiber.
Warning: put force into it but don't put too much force into it...
Do you agree? Ben Hogan’s description of how the hands move out and away-not down-to keep width and build angular momentum (rotation) of the club: “I feel like I’m taking an arrow out of a quiver.” If you pulled the arrow straight down it wouldn’t come out, it would get stuck. The hands must move away-back along the target line-to pull the arrow out of the quiver. In other words: you have to straighten the right arm to pull the arrow out. Pull it hard and produce the motion you were doing in your drill.
This video has been great. The exact concept I am working with my instructor. Always good to see it from different angles, which helps me to connect what he is asking me to do.
Where do you measure the right arm bend? Am’s with 175 degrees of right arm bend would look like a ‘straight arm’ or almost completely collapsed?
Love your stuff guys
In one of your other videosmyoumshowmthemstep drill(s). Why does that drill help you ingrain the rifhtnsequence?
THis video addresses two things that I have struggled with for a long time - steep shaft angle and hands to far into the body. Great drills to work on....thanks guys.
Great video as always. I just tried the rory drill with a mizuno 6 iron and snapped the shaft on the 2nd pump, so yeah, probably best to do it with a graphite shaft, lol. Guess that proves I'm creating enough speed with my hands.
I did the same with my 4 iron!
Use an iron pipe next time!
Great video. I may be convinced....
Hi, I understood this lesson until I tried the Drill !, I could not transition the feeling of bringing the club head down to actually hitting the ball, I would hit the ground between ball and feet and far behind the ball, perhaps you could do a follow up lesson !
I tried this straightening the arm and bring hands straight down and it works 👍. One question on rotating chest. Is it ok to pull lats forward instead of rotating chest? Thank you Chris.
I tried your drill and the first time I did it, I snapped the driver shaft right off - Aldila NV 55g Stiff Shaft
Do you teach to accelerate the arms on all full shots?