@athleticmotiongolf I am AMG+ member. Love the content, hitting better after a week of drills. I do think downswing intent is huge, and no one talks about it. Need more videos about starting downswing after pressure shift, and what the arms need to do. Everyone talks about pressure shift, but lead arm intent in downswing. Please let me know if I missed it on the AMG+ site.
Absolutely fabulous! I struggled with the exact same concepts as your amateur and came to the same conclusion that the first move in my mind had to be pulling my hands down or as you explained accelerating my hands down. With many golfers, I tend to constantly question my swing dynamics because I don't understand the "why". This video really helped me understand the physics behind my feeling and result. I can't wait to play tomorrow with a renewed confidence in this move as I am also a single handicapper and really want to get to the next level. For those of you looking for drills, they have another video that explains the drill that Rory uses with separating his hands on a driver shaft and pulling down.
By changing his concept for his downswing intent, it's interesting how much better his backswing looks. Most people try to change their backswings, but I believe your body puts you in the "correct" backswing based on your mind's downswing intent. Great vid guys!
I have watched most of your videos. I believe this one to be the most clear and easy to understand. The graphics are clean and the explanations are repeated and enforced. Well done, and thank you.
Fascinating analysis! Definitely identify with this issue…have you released any videos since that talk about how to get the grip/hand speed earlier? Thanks!
@@209coach No man, he left the cliff hanger of what he changed in the lesson. That's the point of these videos to get people to sub to their e-coaching
@@vdkk1269 OR it could be the fact that this video is 4 years old and we've answered that question a few times in the comments. And we've made videos since detail how to do it. And guess what else, they've all been for free here on TY.
This kind of clear scientific analysis is exactly what I have needed to make some much needed improvements. I went out and immediately tested your recommendations and saw improvement. And my swing just feels better using this advice. Thanks so much. Looking forward to watching more from your channel!
Best golf video I've watched in years! Could see a difference almost immediately and it's actually easier to control the speed when it comes earlier in the swing. Thanks for this video!!!
The video is great but doesn't really show you how to do this. What did you do in terms of swing thought to decrease the angle as the video mentions? I'm trying to figure out what I need to be thinking of at the start of the downswing. Thanks!
This is the best video I’ve seen from you guys. It’s not talking, it’s not golf cliches, it just shows exactly what’s going on. I’ve definitely been a “slow at the top” guy, so I’d like to see a follow up on getting max hand speed earlier.
Amazing vid and info.. just a tip for anyone trying to put this into practice... if you keep your right elbow/tricep tucked into the right side of your torso on the down swing, like the pro at 6:20, it creates the natural delay they're speaking of which will let you unload your wrists better, ramping up club head speed. It also promotes the inside out swing path even if youre hitting a fade. You can certainly over do it and start spraying shots, but a little dialing in will have you launching scuds as long as you flush it or something close to flush.
John, are you saying trail elbow leading more helps? That stull leaves open the question of how to accelerate hands from the top without jumping the plane or clubhead throwaway.
@@joshydep84 they can, if I dont hit the range at least once a week it can be hard to get the timing right. However, keeping my backswing slow and then the follow thru at about 75% does wonders until I’m ready to ratchet it up. And sometimes I don’t and usually score better lol.
Thank you much! This has been my issue. What drills can I do to get the hands to max speed sooner? Do you have other videos I can watch which include these drills? Thanks again.
Would be great to see a down the line of all of your gear avatars showing us how the hands move sooner, quicker, and then the proper position/direction!
It's such a key part of the golf swing to increase clubhead speed. I agree, very well explained and importantly makes logical sense. Good luck with it. Cheers
I teach golf every day and have been working on my own club head speed. I have a Dewiz and struggled with how to interpret the max hand speed and distance to impact. But thanks to your video I totally get it. I can’t say that without watching this I would have tried to get faster earlier. But feel like I know have a clear objective to increase my speed. Thanks for the great content.
Thanks for the advice. Tried it out and average club head speed increased from 104mph to 110mph. 👍Due to UK lockdown I was hitting to a net; hope it’s going straight 😀
I LOVE your stuff. Scientifically proven. I have 78 mph 7 iron speed but way too much wrist cock, we're working on less wrist cock and throwing the clubhead from the top- essentially what you're saying. I need to do it much faster and earlier. I'm a Malaska convert and this proves it. Thanks guys. Best coaching content on RUclips.
Just another Great video from you Guys. This is showing scientifically and without question what is 'actually' happening. How many coaches out there are teaching concepts which either they don't fully understand and therefore can't communicate properly or are teaching the 'feels' they have which are just that, 'feels' and isn't what is actually happening? When I've hit the ball best, the power has been just 'effortless' and has often left me puzzled as to what happened and why I've found it difficult to repeat consistently. This video should hopefully help me a lot, because who doesn't want more clubhead speed. Thanks Mike, Shaun.
This is the first time I have heard of this and it is amazing how it has transformed my swing, It's really the only swing thought I use right now. Every other teaching pro teaches that you have to start slow and build speed. I have followed that mantra for years. I want to scream. Thanks to this one incredible video now I have too much speed and overshoot the greens. This is easier to fix. All I have to do is club down
Hey guys. Love the video. Love the content you put out. Appreciate the time and passion. Thank you! Im liking the concept/idea/intent of getting the grip moving “sooner, faster, and moving in the right direction.” If you don’t mind. Could you clarify the part about moving the grip in the right direction? Thanks again and happy new year.
The video analysis shows the Am’s hands coming “out” of plane when his body rotates too fast relative to his arms/hands trying to remain passive (presumably as he was instructed). This clearly illustrates one of the causes of classic “over-the-top/casting” motion.
Guys, this might be your best video yet. Mind blown. Not only by the fact that pro hands max out earlier, but also HIGHER. For years I've been trying to accelerate my hands through the ball with a concept that the hands reach max speed PAST the ball (but before impact due to shaft lean). This was an amazing reality check. Actually tried this on my carpet (my wife hates AMG now) and by focusing on earlier acceleration, I got a much more powerful feeling and a faster "whoosh" of the club at the bottom of the swing. Can't wait to try this at the range! Thank you!!
Thanks guys! Incredible details on maximizing the hand speed EARLY to provide sufficient runway to accelerate the club head to reach maximum speed at impact. Also interesting is demystifying the myth of "holding on to lag", which has been plaguing the golf community for the past 30 years and hindering club golfers' ability to swing faster.
The key thing you mentioned in this video is to not force holding the angle. That is so important. When I don't think about that, and get my hands moving faster more quickly, the club naturally lags more and I can feel more of the whip through the ball. Great video. Without that point you made, I would not have grasped the key concept.
this video is fantastic. never had anyone mention that increasing hand acceleration increases lag. Ive heard all kinds of tips about what to do with the hands at the top like the AM in the video has heard. Keeping them passive isnt gonna be a thought i have anymore
I was always taught to believe that you accelerate your swing through impact and beyond; however, your video suggests that instead one should reach maximum hand speed much earlier in the downswing. Perhaps this the difference, and resulting confusion(?), between thinking about hand/arm vs. clubhead speed. Would appreciate hearing some additional insights on this concept.
I agree this insight is confusing to me now.. sort of antithetical to everything I try to focus on. "don't swing from the top" "accelerate through the ball", it's as if I've stepped into an alternate universe lol. I seem to have more success by letting my hands "fall" naturally from the top, not crank my hands down as fast as I can. I'm really not sure what to do with this new insight, but it's interesting.
This concept of an initially faster backswing to start the swing, followed by a slowing before the end of the backswing (opposite to what Amateurs do), and then HARD acceleration initially on the downswing, is EXACTLY what a Pro Tennis Player does on his Serve, and it is very analogous to how you go fast on a race track in a car - that is, SLOWER coming into a corner, so you can get on the gas EARLY & HARD, to enjoy the benefit of more speed down the straightaway which has a compounding effect on Maximum Top Speed - awesome video!
Useful video thank you. One question: what makes the hands accelerate from the top?, Looking at McIlroy, for example, his hands remain passive at the top of th b/scand don’t stsrt down until his lower body has moved noticeably.
Great Work Guys, This is really shows what has been taught in the past based on inferior information needs to adjusted because new swing analytics has shown what really happens in a good golf swing is some what different than what was explained by the masses in the pass.
It certainly helps to be able to measure all the great players we're fortunate to work with. We like sharing that info so golfers can start to compare feels with reals and hopefully improve their intent and concepts when needed.
Your golf myth video changed my game. I used to worry so much about hip turn and ground force, as important as they are, they are not the whole picture. I lost 5 mph of my driver speed. After i ve watched your video, i started pulling the shaft downward hard, first, then open the hip after in sequence. I got the idea from what you have said about hand speed maxing out earlier in the down swing generates speed rather than later. I gained 5 mph back immediately, and after half and hour of getting use to, i gained another 2 mph. Now im cruising at 112 mph, as fast as i have ever been. Thank you very much, cant tell you how happy i am, might actually consider your online course also.
WOW, this video together with the video about “Create LAG In Your Golf Swing” by having your arms more in front of the chest in the back swing have increased my average driver club head speed by 4 mph in one day (from 97 to 101). It was even more noticeable in my irons where the speed of i7 increased by 6 mph. It also puts my hands in a better position at impact. My accuracy has suffered a little, but I’m confident that it will become better again with more practice. Amazing that none of the pros at my club have never mentioned this before. I love your videos. It suits my tecnical brain perfectly :)
Magnus, you seem to have a good grasp of this concept (increasing hand-speed earlier). Let me ask you, since I didn’t hear it stated explicitly, how do you actually do this? Just swing harder from the top?
Guys, you have the best golf instruction channel out there, and I have watched a lot of them. One word you often use is “byproduct.” You could create a single master instruction video by separating the phenomena in the golf swing into keys and byproducts. So much golf instruction focuses on the byproducts, which is obviously counterproductive. Teach us the keys to focus on and make clear what the byproducts are that we should observe but NOT train for.
Thank you for answering, but for me "sooner", "faster" and in the "right direction" are changes which can be applied in every mouvement, every sport and more generally everywhere 😕 I don’t want to be boring but, for the first time, I don’t really understand what you’re talking about 😎
@@shogoonp.bechler4601 The "sooner" was him no longer trying to "leave the hands up and turn first." The "faster" was the intent of adding speed to the grip end rather than just being passive. The "right direction" was the hand path moving downward rather than out. Make more sense?
This reminds me a lot when Tiger and Butch Harmon was on golf channel. During his lesson, Tiger said one thing that changed the way I played. Tiger said “feel like his hand is winning the race” as tiger tried to avoid the old “o’lay” move. Took me a log time to understand what he was trying to do, but over time it made me a better ball striker. The down side was it turn my fade into a 3 yard draw. This video brought back memories. But a very good video. Took 6-8 months to undo that early hip rotation that made my swing stuck and/or early release.
Hi, love what guys do. Anyway, how should we increase the hand speed? Should we pulled it from the top? How is it triggered? Should we use our left hand and pull it down? Appreciate your feedback as im trying to work on this in my game. Tx
This is super helpful, explains what I've been observing in my own swing and prompts me to think about a different downswing intent from the top. Thank you for sharing!!
Love the video guys. I'm addicted to data driven golf swing analysis like this. I know I lose my angles way too soon in the downswing and have a strong hit impulse that is been the hardest thing to overcome. I'm certain my hand speed is fine, it just tragically comes at the wrong time (at transition) robbing me of distance while costing more effort. Would you say that most pros reach maximum hand speed at or near the trail hip/belt area like at 4:36? I just fear that the takeaway of hands moving faster, sooner doesn't fit for me.
Athletic Motion Golf. Today I had to fad the ball on a couple of holes that didn’t work. My setup and alinement wasn’t right. You guys are the ones to help me. Where can I get info to come down to see you guys?
What a visual proof of what’s happening in the downswing. That angle filled in with the color reminds me of using the coat hanger drill to help with the release into impact, it looks so easy, as well as Phil Mickelsons analysis of release. Thanks!
Was there a specific drill that got his grip moving sooner? Great video. For me having the slow motion animation with the angles seems very helpful at least to have an idea of sequencing and how those changes impact the speed.
I was aware of this hands in front of the ball at impact but thought on the terms of more ball compression resulting in more ball speed many thanks for the video
In his case, it was a change in concept by showing him the difference between what he was trying to do and how that differed from faster clubhead speeds. He felt like he was starting the downswing with his arms. That didn't change the sequence at all, but it did improve his acceleration profile dramatically.
@@kcs05 It's helped so many golfers to FEEL that. The reality is, it's nearly impossible to move the arms in isolation without the body moving, but that thought creates the proper sequence and speed profiles you see in this video. Make sense?
Hey guys, said to ya before, you present the correct visual to your comments. They are the parameters for more efficient swings with stronger results. I can explain this as much as I want but he visuals say so much more. Thanks guys!
Profound video showing that technique produces clubhead speed. Amazing that the 3mph faster hands can produce 18mph more speed. That’s Rory power. Most ams are trying to accelerate the hands through impact as opposed to the club.
Another great video! I thought a helpful and simple way to grasp the physics going on is the waterskiing analogy. The handle is the BOAT and club head is the SKIER. The skier is forced to speed up to conserve angular momentum. Another way to look at it. The curve path of the hands is also a factor i.e. tighter radius. Maybe another video subject which would be great to see. Thanks guys...you're the best! PS - shout out to Shaun from Maine, wrote this in front of big snow bank!
It’s called parametric acceleration and it exists in two different planes in a fast golf swing. In the horizontal plane, the hands (boat) change direction quickly (smaller radius) as they “turn the corner” and accelerate the club head (water skier). In the vertical plane, the ground force leverage of the lead leg raises the lead shoulder and hands (boat) upward and the properly lagged club head (water skier) gets accelerated down the target line.
I am 72 and have been having trouble (of course) loosing distance. Just a week or so ago I realized I was just swinging with my hands and arms. So, I figured I'd concentrate on turning my body a little more, back and then through. What do you know?! I gained about 30 yards on my tee shots, and my irons were much longer and more solid... So, I'm I little skeptical about moving the hands faster on the downswing. That would lead me to believe the fastest way to increase your hand speed is to rotate your body faster.
Great vid, again! But how does one go about accelerating the hands sooner, without yanking the handle down (and getting narrow)? I guess moving hands more out than down (as shown in still image at start of vid), and bot gripping to tight. Thanks, grtz from the Netherlands.
I was thinking exactly the same thing, and also does that initial speed up of the hands reduce strike accuracy? As opposed to Justin Thomas who looks more for smash factor through vertical extension through impact as opposed to fast hands from the top.
I understand, from the video, what creates more club head speed but I'm not clear about what to physically do to get it. I thought about holding the lag longer but that is clearly not the right thought. So how do I maintain the angles without consciously trying to keep them intact please?
Mike and Shaun this video is excellent and has me curious about lead shoulder speed. I believe I’ve seen all your videos and can’t recall a lead shoulder profile as described here with the hands. Would be awesome to see pro lead shoulder comparisons exactly as done with the hands in this video. For example where does the maximum lead shoulder speed happen? And how do the pros compare in this regard? I’m very interested in seeing if I can achieve the proper hand speed profile by slowing my lead shoulder move starting down.
You cover "what" needs to be done- hands moving faster earlier. But I don't quite understand "how" to do it. Does the thought of hand dropping before the hips help? THANKS-
I am going to be working with this. I have lost clubhead speed over the last few years (decades). I think this is what I was doing (somewhat) more naturally in my. I do note that the "pros" had more shoulder rotation and that never hurts to get the hands higher, the right elbow higher, and the right shoulder higher, so there is more to pull down with, allowing an individual to pull down with more speed sooner. Anyway, I will be working on this. I hope to be able to take top quality lessons, maybe from AMG, one day.
That would have been a good final 3 minutes for this video because thinking "faster, earlier" will cause many people problems. The amateur being shown in this video received a lesson to make this happen. It would be good to know what exactly he was told to do. What exactly he was told to guard against, etc. How did he hold his lag without 'trying' to hold his lag? There must have been some drills or physical sensations that were suggested to help this amateur make it happen correctly. Other than that, the mechanics and data shown are pretty awesome.
@@Randsurfer I think the video was more of an advertisement of technology available to perform a swing speed analysis. Again, the video doesnt tell us how to increase our speed, so that's why I concluded it with "waste of time"
corddyson- Not at all. That's a way to get you to attack the ball from the inside , instead of coming over the top. Doing it "slowly" allows the information to be processed more easily. Once your coconut absorbs it, it's time to increase the tempo in order to get some respectable clubhead speed .
Just got back into golf . Just been over park and with wrist action thought ball going 20yd further on 8 iron it’s crazy going miles . Cheers really made me think and just practice swing in garden after vid I could feel and hear difference unreal my wrist been far to square and solid for years . Upper body creating yards only not the wrist . Can’t thank u enough
we were all taught in the 70s to hold the lag. but my issue was that I would thump that club head into the ground a foot behind the ball. this spring it hit me that increasing that angle allowed for some clearance. it seemed like forces now pull on the club head. it's a powerful feel... yet that force seems to catching the ball at the right time to allow me to keep my balance. this confirms what I've noticed.... and I think I can remember this without ever lagging again. Great stuff.... thank you :)
When increasing the hand speed as you mention, is that from rotation? My hands are typically the last thing to begin back toward the ball in my downswing. I just want to know if that means I need "faster hands" or if this is a result of rotation.
This is a great video and explanation. This past weekend as I was scrolling through You Tube I was seeing more then a few recent videos done by teachers who are talking about slowing the hands down. I was getting nauseous watching those videos. Don’t know if this is totally correct, but my thought was faster hands, slower body. Watching the swings I had on video, I did not notice my body not reacting properly even though I had that swing thought of slowing the body down. My hands also looked better at checkpoint 6. Not lagging behind the body too much.
I'd imagine it'll be a hard for amateurs to increase the hand speed at the start of the downswing as most amateurs will surely cast the club more, due to lack of trail hand wrist cup and not getting the trail elbow down and in front of the hip.
It shouldn't be. You can easily move your hands super fast without casting and without holding the angle. To feel how to do this, from the top of the swing take your lead hand off the club, lay the club on your arm and shoulder and leave it there while you swing your hand as fast as you can.
@@scifisicko2390 hi I don't understand the laying of the club on your arm? Can you please explain that or even link me to a video or article that shows how to do your drill to increase clubhead speed. Many thanks.
It is cool video and give you lot of insights. But, I wonder how many amateurs are going to see this and think quick hands = better lag. Think lot of people are going to go to range and start these quick jerky downswings that burn up speed too quickly instead of accelerating their clubs. This might be where too much info necessarily isn't good thing or beneficial.
It's a fairly natural thing to do, Mike. But we find that intent is the biggest roadblock causing it to be slower than it needs to be. Using the arms, for some reason, has gotten to be a phobia for many golfers. It's hard to make the arms and hands move faster earlier if you don't use them. The best in the world use them.
Enjoyed the video, and the cross handed drill, will give it a try next time out to the range. What kind of advice do you have for senior golfers wanting more distance off the tee. 71 years old, good health and fairly athletic, but driver is 150 flight, 175 - 180 total. Tough on par 5's and long par 4's
It is not counter-intuitive. This is exactly what Nicklaus is talking about in his release. It is understanding the nuance of the concept of reaching the max hand speed sooner, not from the top. Watch the graphic comparisons again while processing this detail: The faster swing, release starts just under the shoulder line and the standard swing release of most golfers occurs when the hands are under the rib cage. This is the critical zone where the "angles are spent" differently. That is a free gem.
Thank you ! I ha some old vide'.o of myself from this spring. After watching this video, I learned a great deal by going back and re-watching the video. Many of the flaws that you mention in this and other lessons are clearly evident in my swing. I will try to take this to the range and see if I can get rid of some of the issues you describe. Failing that, how many to get you to look at my videos and make some suggestions?
Thank you for breaking this down, I've only played 4 games and had an instructor explaining this very same concept. Although I still have issue with my form when things are done correctly the difference is dramatic.
Fantastic, I should have seen this video long time back, just won a local club tournament by playing 11 under (yes 11 under) my handicap (20), I just did it by reducing my hand speed but maintaining the 87 degree lag angle coupled with catapult the club and firing the hip more. It just happened automatic once you maintain the lag angle for little more time. Thanks a lot.
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Very interesting video. Went to my garage sim and swung the driver trying to speed up my hands in the top of my swing. I tried my normal awing vs trying to speed ip my hands earlier and there was an audible difference in the sound between my old swing snd this one. With this swing providing a higher pitch (usually equals faster head) i didnt have the sim on at the time but ill try and get real data tonight when i have more time
This is an amazing video!!! I have a 5.3 index and have struggled with lag FOREVER! No matter what I do I have trouble creating more lag on the down swing. I can't wait to try your tips.
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Plus would be great to see gear avatars from down the line showing the hands moving sooner, quicker, and in the proper path/motion! Thanks, Ron
@@ronfinch4918 have you had a chance to catch any of our plane or hand path videos?
Athletic Motion Golf It has been awhile! I will re-visit! Ron
@athleticmotiongolf I am AMG+ member. Love the content, hitting better after a week of drills. I do think downswing intent is huge, and no one talks about it. Need more videos about starting downswing after pressure shift, and what the arms need to do. Everyone talks about pressure shift, but lead arm intent in downswing. Please let me know if I missed it on the AMG+ site.
Thamks for the advice cant waite to get out and put it to work
Absolutely fabulous! I struggled with the exact same concepts as your amateur and came to the same conclusion that the first move in my mind had to be pulling my hands down or as you explained accelerating my hands down. With many golfers, I tend to constantly question my swing dynamics because I don't understand the "why". This video really helped me understand the physics behind my feeling and result. I can't wait to play tomorrow with a renewed confidence in this move as I am also a single handicapper and really want to get to the next level. For those of you looking for drills, they have another video that explains the drill that Rory uses with separating his hands on a driver shaft and pulling down.
@@cglang768 happy it helped you!!!
By changing his concept for his downswing intent, it's interesting how much better his backswing looks. Most people try to change their backswings, but I believe your body puts you in the "correct" backswing based on your mind's downswing intent. Great vid guys!
great insight!!!
I have watched most of your videos. I believe this one to be the most clear and easy to understand. The graphics are clean and the explanations are repeated and enforced. Well done, and thank you.
Zack Fishman glad you enjoyed it, thank you for watching 🙏🏻👊
Fascinating analysis! Definitely identify with this issue…have you released any videos since that talk about how to get the grip/hand speed earlier? Thanks!
He didn't answer you???
@@209coach No man, he left the cliff hanger of what he changed in the lesson. That's the point of these videos to get people to sub to their e-coaching
@@vdkk1269 OR it could be the fact that this video is 4 years old and we've answered that question a few times in the comments. And we've made videos since detail how to do it. And guess what else, they've all been for free here on TY.
Great job explaining what needs to happen, but not much on how? Accelerate the hands down?
This kind of clear scientific analysis is exactly what I have needed to make some much needed improvements. I went out and immediately tested your recommendations and saw improvement. And my swing just feels better using this advice. Thanks so much. Looking forward to watching more from your channel!
Best golf video I've watched in years! Could see a difference almost immediately and it's actually easier to control the speed when it comes earlier in the swing. Thanks for this video!!!
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The video is great but doesn't really show you how to do this. What did you do in terms of swing thought to decrease the angle as the video mentions? I'm trying to figure out what I need to be thinking of at the start of the downswing. Thanks!
This is the best video I’ve seen from you guys. It’s not talking, it’s not golf cliches, it just shows exactly what’s going on.
I’ve definitely been a “slow at the top” guy, so I’d like to see a follow up on getting max hand speed earlier.
Martyballin check out our recent “Hand Speed” video detailing how to do it😉
Great video, as usual. Any drill suggestions?
Amazing vid and info.. just a tip for anyone trying to put this into practice...
if you keep your right elbow/tricep tucked into the right side of your torso on the down swing, like the pro at 6:20, it creates the natural delay they're speaking of which will let you unload your wrists better, ramping up club head speed. It also promotes the inside out swing path even if youre hitting a fade. You can certainly over do it and start spraying shots, but a little dialing in will have you launching scuds as long as you flush it or something close to flush.
Do these adjustments make club face control a big issue?
John, are you saying trail elbow leading more helps? That stull leaves open the question of how to accelerate hands from the top without jumping the plane or clubhead throwaway.
@@joshydep84 they can, if I dont hit the range at least once a week it can be hard to get the timing right. However, keeping my backswing slow and then the follow thru at about 75% does wonders until I’m ready to ratchet it up. And sometimes I don’t and usually score better lol.
Thanks for the clarification my man
Thank you much! This has been my issue. What drills can I do to get the hands to max speed sooner? Do you have other videos I can watch which include these drills? Thanks again.
finally someone explained lag. the best video I've every seem. thank you.
Would be great to see a down the line of all of your gear avatars showing us how the hands move sooner, quicker, and then the proper position/direction!
Great idea....
Loved the visual of the difference between the pro & the amateur and the angle of their club head in getting more distance &clubheadspeed!! !!
This is big and makes sense. I’m that AM ! I can’t wait to get this to the range. Excellent explanation
It's such a key part of the golf swing to increase clubhead speed. I agree, very well explained and importantly makes logical sense. Good luck with it. Cheers
I teach golf every day and have been working on my own club head speed. I have a Dewiz and struggled with how to interpret the max hand speed and distance to impact. But thanks to your video I totally get it. I can’t say that without watching this I would have tried to get faster earlier. But feel like I know have a clear objective to increase my speed. Thanks for the great content.
Awesome, thanks for sharing that! Where do you teach?
We shot a new video on how to get those hands moving faster that might also help🤓
Thanks for the advice. Tried it out and average club head speed increased from 104mph to 110mph. 👍Due to UK lockdown I was hitting to a net; hope it’s going straight 😀
How did you measure club head speed at home?
@@toneabet6252 likely a launch monitor…
I LOVE your stuff. Scientifically proven. I have 78 mph 7 iron speed but way too much wrist cock, we're working on less wrist cock and throwing the clubhead from the top- essentially what you're saying. I need to do it much faster and earlier. I'm a Malaska convert and this proves it. Thanks guys. Best coaching content on RUclips.
Would you post some drills to help with this? Really wonderful video.
We have more on this coming👍
Just another Great video from you Guys. This is showing scientifically and without question what is 'actually' happening. How many coaches out there are teaching concepts which either they don't fully understand and therefore can't communicate properly or are teaching the 'feels' they have which are just that, 'feels' and isn't what is actually happening?
When I've hit the ball best, the power has been just 'effortless' and has often left me puzzled as to what happened and why I've found it difficult to repeat consistently. This video should hopefully help me a lot, because who doesn't want more clubhead speed. Thanks Mike, Shaun.
Another great video from AMG. Would love to know drills to get hands moving faster earlier and, most importantly, maintaing that lag in the downswing.
This is the first time I have heard of this and it is amazing how it has transformed my swing, It's really the only swing thought I use right now. Every other teaching pro teaches that you have to start slow and build speed. I have followed that mantra for years. I want to scream. Thanks to this one incredible video now I have too much speed and overshoot the greens. This is easier to fix. All I have to do is club down
Great job!
Hey guys. Love the video. Love the content you put out. Appreciate the time and passion. Thank you!
Im liking the concept/idea/intent of getting the grip moving “sooner, faster, and moving in the right direction.”
If you don’t mind. Could you clarify the part about moving the grip in the right direction?
Thanks again and happy new year.
The video analysis shows the Am’s hands coming “out” of plane when his body rotates too fast relative to his arms/hands trying to remain passive (presumably as he was instructed). This clearly illustrates one of the causes of classic “over-the-top/casting” motion.
Guys, this might be your best video yet. Mind blown. Not only by the fact that pro hands max out earlier, but also HIGHER. For years I've been trying to accelerate my hands through the ball with a concept that the hands reach max speed PAST the ball (but before impact due to shaft lean). This was an amazing reality check. Actually tried this on my carpet (my wife hates AMG now) and by focusing on earlier acceleration, I got a much more powerful feeling and a faster "whoosh" of the club at the bottom of the swing. Can't wait to try this at the range! Thank you!!
Incredible breakdown as always! This channel continues to improve my golf game!
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Thanks guys! Incredible details on maximizing the hand speed EARLY to provide sufficient runway to accelerate the club head to reach maximum speed at impact. Also interesting is demystifying the myth of "holding on to lag", which has been plaguing the golf community for the past 30 years and hindering club golfers' ability to swing faster.
The key thing you mentioned in this video is to not force holding the angle. That is so important. When I don't think about that, and get my hands moving faster more quickly, the club naturally lags more and I can feel more of the whip through the ball. Great video. Without that point you made, I would not have grasped the key concept.
that's a million dollar tip !
Very insightful. I’m and old, 60+, beginner. I’m working on stabilizing my swing. I’ll be in touch ordering an analysis to work on.
Would like to see a drill to work on this. Great stuff!
Ok we will put one up soon :)
this video is fantastic. never had anyone mention that increasing hand acceleration increases lag. Ive heard all kinds of tips about what to do with the hands at the top like the AM in the video has heard. Keeping them passive isnt gonna be a thought i have anymore
I was always taught to believe that you accelerate your swing through impact and beyond; however, your video suggests that instead one should reach maximum hand speed much earlier in the downswing. Perhaps this the difference, and resulting confusion(?), between thinking about hand/arm vs. clubhead speed. Would appreciate hearing some additional insights on this concept.
I agree this insight is confusing to me now.. sort of antithetical to everything I try to focus on. "don't swing from the top" "accelerate through the ball", it's as if I've stepped into an alternate universe lol. I seem to have more success by letting my hands "fall" naturally from the top, not crank my hands down as fast as I can. I'm really not sure what to do with this new insight, but it's interesting.
This concept of an initially faster backswing to start the swing, followed by a slowing before the end of the backswing (opposite to what Amateurs do), and then HARD acceleration initially on the downswing, is EXACTLY what a Pro Tennis Player does on his Serve, and it is very analogous to how you go fast on a race track in a car - that is, SLOWER coming into a corner, so you can get on the gas EARLY & HARD, to enjoy the benefit of more speed down the straightaway which has a compounding effect on Maximum Top Speed - awesome video!
What great analogies!
Useful video thank you. One question: what makes the hands accelerate from the top?, Looking at McIlroy, for example, his hands remain passive at the top of th b/scand don’t stsrt down until his lower body has moved noticeably.
He just fires his hips earlier giving the appearance that his hands were.lagging
It’s the pressure shift to the left foot prior to the transition. Highly recommend a sheftic balance board if you want to feel this shift.
Great Work Guys,
This is really shows what has been taught in the past based on inferior information needs to adjusted because new swing analytics has shown what really happens in a good golf swing is some what different than what was explained by the masses in the pass.
It certainly helps to be able to measure all the great players we're fortunate to work with. We like sharing that info so golfers can start to compare feels with reals and hopefully improve their intent and concepts when needed.
So how does the golfer accelerate the hands earlier, faster rotation, thoughtful pull down with the left hand, how?
Feel the bend at 10 facing the clock accelerating from 10 to 6 releasing the club.
One of their best videos. Their illustrations and explanations were so clear. Thank you
Best Video out there about this! Thanks for making and sharing this..
One of your best and mist impactful videos! Thank you!
Your golf myth video changed my game. I used to worry so much about hip turn and ground force, as important as they are, they are not the whole picture. I lost 5 mph of my driver speed. After i ve watched your video, i started pulling the shaft downward hard, first, then open the hip after in sequence. I got the idea from what you have said about hand speed maxing out earlier in the down swing generates speed rather than later. I gained 5 mph back immediately, and after half and hour of getting use to, i gained another 2 mph. Now im cruising at 112 mph, as fast as i have ever been. Thank you very much, cant tell you how happy i am, might actually consider your online course also.
WOW, this video together with the video about “Create LAG In Your Golf Swing” by having your arms more in front of the chest in the back swing have increased my average driver club head speed by 4 mph in one day (from 97 to 101). It was even more noticeable in my irons where the speed of i7 increased by 6 mph. It also puts my hands in a better position at impact. My accuracy has suffered a little, but I’m confident that it will become better again with more practice.
Amazing that none of the pros at my club have never mentioned this before.
I love your videos. It suits my tecnical brain perfectly :)
Magnus, you seem to have a good grasp of this concept (increasing hand-speed earlier). Let me ask you, since I didn’t hear it stated explicitly, how do you actually do this? Just swing harder from the top?
Guys, you have the best golf instruction channel out there, and I have watched a lot of them.
One word you often use is “byproduct.” You could create a single master instruction video by separating the phenomena in the golf swing into keys and byproducts. So much golf instruction focuses on the byproducts, which is obviously counterproductive. Teach us the keys to focus on and make clear what the byproducts are that we should observe but NOT train for.
What were the changes he made? What drills?
The changes he made are in the video and we didn't use or need drills for this. Concept is king for this😉
I am sorry but I did not understand in the video the changes made 🤨
@@shogoonp.bechler4601 9:45
Thank you for answering, but for me "sooner", "faster" and in the "right direction" are changes which can be applied in every mouvement, every sport and more generally everywhere 😕
I don’t want to be boring but, for the first time, I don’t really understand what you’re talking about 😎
@@shogoonp.bechler4601 The "sooner" was him no longer trying to "leave the hands up and turn first." The "faster" was the intent of adding speed to the grip end rather than just being passive. The "right direction" was the hand path moving downward rather than out. Make more sense?
This reminds me a lot when Tiger and Butch Harmon was on golf channel. During his lesson, Tiger said one thing that changed the way I played. Tiger said “feel like his hand is winning the race” as tiger tried to avoid the old “o’lay” move. Took me a log time to understand what he was trying to do, but over time it made me a better ball striker. The down side was it turn my fade into a 3 yard draw. This video brought back memories. But a very good video. Took 6-8 months to undo that early hip rotation that made my swing stuck and/or early release.
Hi, love what guys do. Anyway, how should we increase the hand speed? Should we pulled it from the top? How is it triggered? Should we use our left hand and pull it down?
Appreciate your feedback as im trying to work on this in my game. Tx
Fantastic. For the first time i understanding the meaninh of late hand release
This is super helpful, explains what I've been observing in my own swing and prompts me to think about a different downswing intent from the top. Thank you for sharing!!
love it !! Thanks!
Thanks for making this VDO. It's awesome
first time i have seen this concept; would like to see it in other videos. thanks
ok we will do that! ;)
These videos are pure gold.
Love the video guys. I'm addicted to data driven golf swing analysis like this. I know I lose my angles way too soon in the downswing and have a strong hit impulse that is been the hardest thing to overcome. I'm certain my hand speed is fine, it just tragically comes at the wrong time (at transition) robbing me of distance while costing more effort.
Would you say that most pros reach maximum hand speed at or near the trail hip/belt area like at 4:36? I just fear that the takeaway of hands moving faster, sooner doesn't fit for me.
Another video from these guys that’s one of the best I’ve ever seen. I’m an Analyst, so more details and visual is great for me. Thanks.
Wow, thanks!
Athletic Motion Golf. Today I had to fad the ball on a couple
of holes that didn’t work. My setup and alinement wasn’t right. You guys are the ones to help me. Where can I get info to come down to see you guys?
@@chadaitken5476 here you go brother athleticmotiongolf.com/inperson/
Thanks Mike, can't wait to give this a try.
Let us know how it works!
really liked your video! I have been ill and am 81 but hope to start playing again and trying to find some of the speed I have lost😊
This is the best video I’ve watched thank you
Thanks!!!
What a visual proof of what’s happening in the downswing. That angle filled in with the color reminds me of using the coat hanger drill to help with the release into impact, it looks so easy, as well as Phil Mickelsons analysis of release. Thanks!
Was there a specific drill that got his grip moving sooner? Great video. For me having the slow motion animation with the angles seems very helpful at least to have an idea of sequencing and how those changes impact the speed.
I was aware of this hands in front of the ball at impact but thought on the terms of more ball compression resulting in more ball speed many thanks for the video
What did you say/how did you get him to reach is maximum hand speed sooner and then have his hands decelerate?
In his case, it was a change in concept by showing him the difference between what he was trying to do and how that differed from faster clubhead speeds. He felt like he was starting the downswing with his arms. That didn't change the sequence at all, but it did improve his acceleration profile dramatically.
@@AthleticMotionGolf - So you are saying on the downswing the arms should start the sequence?
@@kcs05 It's helped so many golfers to FEEL that. The reality is, it's nearly impossible to move the arms in isolation without the body moving, but that thought creates the proper sequence and speed profiles you see in this video. Make sense?
@Travisty Thank you, Travisty!🙏
Hey guys, said to ya before, you present the correct visual to your comments. They are the parameters for more efficient swings with stronger results. I can explain this as much as I want but he visuals say so much more. Thanks guys!
Profound video showing that technique produces clubhead speed. Amazing that the 3mph faster hands can produce 18mph more speed. That’s Rory power. Most ams are trying to accelerate the hands through impact as opposed to the club.
I think you're exactly right. The downswing is a 1/4 second, doesn't leave time to be lazy with the acceleration.
Another great video! I thought a helpful and simple way to grasp the physics going on is the waterskiing analogy. The handle is the BOAT and club head is the SKIER. The skier is forced to speed up to conserve angular momentum. Another way to look at it. The curve path of the hands is also a factor i.e. tighter radius. Maybe another video subject which would be great to see. Thanks guys...you're the best! PS - shout out to Shaun from Maine, wrote this in front of big snow bank!
Perfectly said - can we borrow that?👊
Absolutely. But what about the guy I borrowed it from? Lol
@@louislane1968 did he make you sign anything?😂
It’s called parametric acceleration and it exists in two different planes in a fast golf swing. In the horizontal plane, the hands (boat) change direction quickly (smaller radius) as they “turn the corner” and accelerate the club head (water skier). In the vertical plane, the ground force leverage of the lead leg raises the lead shoulder and hands (boat) upward and the properly lagged club head (water skier) gets accelerated down the target line.
Would love to see measurements on this pattern and pattern comparison data etc! Maybe Mike and Shaun will provide.
I am 72 and have been having trouble (of course) loosing distance. Just a week or so ago I realized I was just swinging with my hands and arms. So, I figured I'd concentrate on turning my body a little more, back and then through. What do you know?! I gained about 30 yards on my tee shots, and my irons were much longer and more solid... So, I'm I little skeptical about moving the hands faster on the downswing. That would lead me to believe the fastest way to increase your hand speed is to rotate your body faster.
It would be nice to get some drills for this problem and how to feel it in what muscles
Great vid, again! But how does one go about accelerating the hands sooner, without yanking the handle down (and getting narrow)? I guess moving hands more out than down (as shown in still image at start of vid), and bot gripping to tight. Thanks, grtz from the Netherlands.
I was thinking exactly the same thing, and also does that initial speed up of the hands reduce strike accuracy? As opposed to Justin Thomas who looks more for smash factor through vertical extension through impact as opposed to fast hands from the top.
I understand, from the video, what creates more club head speed but I'm not clear about what to physically do to get it. I thought about holding the lag longer but that is clearly not the right thought. So how do I maintain the angles without consciously trying to keep them intact please?
Mike and Shaun this video is excellent and has me curious about lead shoulder speed. I believe I’ve seen all your videos and can’t recall a lead shoulder profile as described here with the hands. Would be awesome to see pro lead shoulder comparisons exactly as done with the hands in this video. For example where does the maximum lead shoulder speed happen? And how do the pros compare in this regard? I’m very interested in seeing if I can achieve the proper hand speed profile by slowing my lead shoulder move starting down.
Yeah, would love to know the move to get hand speed quicker
Give yourself the freedom to move them faster😊
Athletic Motion Golf What would be the “feel” for correct amount of tension in arms/hands when trying to move hands faster?
Art Vandelay do it the other way... move them faster first then see what that feels like to you.
Got to have a good transition using lower body. That’s where you get the whip action.
Thank you for a much needed explanation! I hope you can make a video on how to learn this information.
You cover "what" needs to be done- hands moving faster earlier. But I don't quite understand "how" to do it. Does the thought of hand dropping before the hips help? THANKS-
Jeff Street look at his response to an earlier comment. He mentions also looking at 9:45 in the video.
I am going to be working with this. I have lost clubhead speed over the last few years (decades). I think this is what I was doing (somewhat) more naturally in my. I do note that the "pros" had more shoulder rotation and that never hurts to get the hands higher, the right elbow higher, and the right shoulder higher, so there is more to pull down with, allowing an individual to pull down with more speed sooner. Anyway, I will be working on this. I hope to be able to take top quality lessons, maybe from AMG, one day.
I honestly just try to accelerate when I start my downswing. I never try to hold a lag angle, it does not work.
I don't think Palmer ever tried to hold his move with his arms back down to the ball either. He turned it on as soon as he could.
Great video…as always! I’ve been working on this and notice I’m hitting the ball straighter by speeding hands up early in downswing.
great!
Just how do I go about increasing hand speed?
Its about reaching max hand speed sooner, not that I have the answer to that.
Lead the downswing with your hands smoothly and let the body react .
Have the club head pointing up towards the sky longer before hitting the ball..
Wow tforr all the drills I lean from downswing concept about dropping the club then rotate and hit with speed, this is something else.
I don’t get it. How to be faster in hands earlier?
That would have been a good final 3 minutes for this video because thinking "faster, earlier" will cause many people problems. The amateur being shown in this video received a lesson to make this happen. It would be good to know what exactly he was told to do. What exactly he was told to guard against, etc. How did he hold his lag without 'trying' to hold his lag? There must have been some drills or physical sensations that were suggested to help this amateur make it happen correctly. Other than that, the mechanics and data shown are pretty awesome.
Theres nothing to get. Video wasnt for you, me, or any other youtube viewer. Waste of time watching this.
@@jacobbelmontes4899 Who was the video for?
@@Randsurfer I think the video was more of an advertisement of technology available to perform a swing speed analysis. Again, the video doesnt tell us how to increase our speed, so that's why I concluded it with "waste of time"
Thanks I think I might do that when I try to straighten my arms to the ball.
Does this conflict w Harvey Penick’s “magic move” of slowly lowering the right arm and weight shifting in transition?
corddyson- Not at all. That's a way to get you to attack the ball from the inside , instead of coming over the top. Doing it "slowly" allows the information to be processed more easily. Once your coconut absorbs it, it's time to increase the tempo in order to get some respectable clubhead speed .
Just got back into golf . Just been over park and with wrist action thought ball going 20yd further on 8 iron it’s crazy going miles . Cheers really made me think and just practice swing in garden after vid I could feel and hear difference unreal my wrist been far to square and solid for years . Upper body creating yards only not the wrist . Can’t thank u enough
How did he increase his hand speed earlier? What did he do to make that happen? Thanks guys!
Yup. They never answer the most important question that needs to be addressed by this video. Incredible.
I would say feel like you pull down on the handle earlier
we were all taught in the 70s to hold the lag. but my issue was that I would thump that club head into the ground a foot behind the ball. this spring it hit me that increasing that angle allowed for some clearance. it seemed like forces now pull on the club head. it's a powerful feel... yet that force seems to catching the ball at the right time to allow me to keep my balance. this confirms what I've noticed.... and I think I can remember this without ever lagging again. Great stuff.... thank you :)
When increasing the hand speed as you mention, is that from rotation? My hands are typically the last thing to begin back toward the ball in my downswing. I just want to know if that means I need "faster hands" or if this is a result of rotation.
This is a great video and explanation. This past weekend as I was scrolling through You Tube I was seeing more then a few recent videos done by teachers who are talking about slowing the hands down. I was getting nauseous watching those videos. Don’t know if this is totally correct, but my thought was faster hands, slower body. Watching the swings I had on video, I did not notice my body not reacting properly even though I had that swing thought of slowing the body down. My hands also looked better at checkpoint 6. Not lagging behind the body too much.
I'd imagine it'll be a hard for amateurs to increase the hand speed at the start of the downswing as most amateurs will surely cast the club more, due to lack of trail hand wrist cup and not getting the trail elbow down and in front of the hip.
We do it every day with ams. Poor wrist angles will make any downswing difficult, but they can't be used as an excuse😊
Do you have a drill to encourage this? What did am do with you to fix this?
It shouldn't be. You can easily move your hands super fast without casting and without holding the angle. To feel how to do this, from the top of the swing take your lead hand off the club, lay the club on your arm and shoulder and leave it there while you swing your hand as fast as you can.
@@AthleticMotionGolf thank you for this video. So how do you actually achieve this in your swing?.
@@scifisicko2390 hi I don't understand the laying of the club on your arm? Can you please explain that or even link me to a video or article that shows how to do your drill to increase clubhead speed.
Many thanks.
Thanks soo much that was fabulous!! I have been waiting for someone to explain exactly what you just said!!
Great!!!
It is cool video and give you lot of insights. But, I wonder how many amateurs are going to see this and think quick hands = better lag. Think lot of people are going to go to range and start these quick jerky downswings that burn up speed too quickly instead of accelerating their clubs. This might be where too much info necessarily isn't good thing or beneficial.
Ya I’m not sure what to take away from this.
This type of analysis is what I love about your channel. Thanks
Does the increased and “quicker” hand speed come from a conscious effort to pull the hands down harder in the downswing?
It's a fairly natural thing to do, Mike. But we find that intent is the biggest roadblock causing it to be slower than it needs to be. Using the arms, for some reason, has gotten to be a phobia for many golfers. It's hard to make the arms and hands move faster earlier if you don't use them. The best in the world use them.
Reminds me of the of the old Leslie King "free arm swing" concept back in the day. Julie Inkster was taught this by Mr King.
john Mule very cool. We can measure and qualify more today then in the past, but there’s really nothing new in the golf swing.
Enjoyed the video, and the cross handed drill, will give it a try next time out to the range. What kind of advice do you have for senior golfers wanting more distance off the tee. 71 years old, good health and fairly athletic, but driver is 150 flight, 175 - 180 total. Tough on par 5's and long par 4's
So...this is counter-intuitive to the old teaching of "don't RIP from the top" right??
It is not counter-intuitive. This is exactly what Nicklaus is talking about in his release. It is understanding the nuance of the concept of reaching the max hand speed sooner, not from the top. Watch the graphic comparisons again while processing this detail: The faster swing, release starts just under the shoulder line and the standard swing release of most golfers occurs when the hands are under the rib cage. This is the critical zone where the "angles are spent" differently. That is a free gem.
@@ericgamboa1617 :)
How can you see that the release is starting earlier? Sorry, but I can't track this down. Thank's.
this information boosted my game! Thanx guys!
Great!!!
MAKES TOTAL SENSE BUT THOUGHT YOU WOULD D SHARE A DRILL FRO FEEL THIS MOVEMENT BY TE END OF THE VIDEO ...
Exactly what I was thinking. It's all good to see but what the hell do I do?
Pull down on the handle from the top of the backswing before you unwind body/torso?
Thank you !
I ha some old vide'.o of myself from this spring.
After watching this video, I learned a great deal by going back and re-watching the video. Many of the flaws that you mention in this and other lessons are clearly evident in my swing.
I will try to take this to the range and see if I can get rid of some of the issues you describe. Failing that, how many to get you to look at my videos and make some suggestions?
Thank you for breaking this down, I've only played 4 games and had an instructor explaining this very same concept. Although I still have issue with my form when things are done correctly the difference is dramatic.
great!
Fantastic, I should have seen this video long time back, just won a local club tournament by playing 11 under (yes 11 under) my handicap (20), I just did it by reducing my hand speed but maintaining the 87 degree lag angle coupled with catapult the club and firing the hip more. It just happened automatic once you maintain the lag angle for little more time. Thanks a lot.
BIG congrats on the W🙌👏
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks, my handicap is cut by 4 strokes. I'm happy. If I want to take some online classes how to go about it
@@venkataramansubramanian3949 did you say “take” or “teach?” 😊
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Very interesting video. Went to my garage sim and swung the driver trying to speed up my hands in the top of my swing. I tried my normal awing vs trying to speed ip my hands earlier and there was an audible difference in the sound between my old swing snd this one. With this swing providing a higher pitch (usually equals faster head) i didnt have the sim on at the time but ill try and get real data tonight when i have more time
I like the way you compared similar size and age pro-ams
Just came across this video. It makes sense. Just wondering about any drills to help out with the concept. Thanks.
Really eye opening analysis of hand speed and when it needs to be applied!
very enlightening lesson. Can't wait to try it
This is an amazing video!!! I have a 5.3 index and have struggled with lag FOREVER! No matter what I do I have trouble creating more lag on the down swing. I can't wait to try your tips.
Thank you!!