Scripted or not, Jess and Jill's behaviour towards Brynn was absolutely disgusting. She was a child and they out and out bullied her. I hope they regret their actions
She looks so much healthier now she's off the show. That poor girl looked exhausted, broken down, and on the brink of tears or anxiety the whole time she was in Dance Moms. I'm so glad she's doing better now.
obv jealous.. look at jess and jojo and their poor unnattractive looks/genetics then look at how beautiful brynn was and still is. let alone dancing, jojo was a downright awful dancer and brynn had beautiful technique
@@BoglimWrangler666 I agree that jess was awful but bringing another child down because of their parent is not ok, also you shouldn't call someone ugly by your beauty standards.
Probably jealousy. Remember Sarah and Christy? Look up the video where they are invited back to the ALDC at the same time Jojo and Jess first show up there. Jojo was supposed to do Maddie's dance but it was too difficult for her so she got a Jazz dance and Sarah got what was supposed to be Jojo's dance. First thing you hear Jess say? Sarah looks like a thriftshopper or a hobo or something like that. And during Sarah's rehearsal she keeps making snide comments about her to Christy. All just because Sarah was able to outdance Jojo. Brynn has amazing technique and so of course Jess has to be an awful bitch once more.
The fact that Jess can sit there on her podcast and be like "teehee, yeah we ganged up on Ashlee, teehee" as if being nasty, manipulative, and vicious to another woman and her young child is a funny, normal thing REALLY bugs me. I don't care if it's for the show to create drama, where are your morals?! They sold their souls to the show!
The irony of her admitting, and giggling about it, that they ganged up on Ashlee while Jess sits in front of sparkly framed sayings about being nice to people. Literally the definition of a hypocrite!
I totally get why Ashlee was bitter. Especially after Jess and Jill admitted that. I mean, they both were new moms one upon a time and know that the mothers are beyond unwelcoming. Not that Ashlee should say her daughter is better than most ( even though Kalani & Brynn were technically miles above the ALDC girls ) , Ashlee didn’t deserve all the comments about her weight, and the hypocrisy about “picking on kids”. Jess and Jill became so unbearable in later seasons, it was awful.
Saga Astrand Govaerts oh yeah, they attended Club Dance in Arizona before going to ALDC. I get it, Dance Moms has exposure, but their dancing regressed during time there.
Jess Jill and Kira are all hypocrites. They all caused drama to get a permanent contract for their daughters and so did Ashlee. I really believe they were jealous that Brynn would get more air time on the show. Young dm stans think Melissa wanted Maddie to get solos so she could be the star of the studio but it really comes down to exposure on national television, and every mum wanted that for their kid!
I always felt so bad for Brynn watching Dance Moms. Poor girl did not deserve all the hate she got. Shame on Jess, ESPECIALLY Jill for what they put them through.
@@kelsey2333 yes exactly. I'm sorry but nothing excuses shouting "why can't you have a brain" or the yelling at brynn. Or jess going after her when she was crying in the bathroom. They didn't do that to anyone else
idc what anyone says. brynn was bullied the MOST out of all of the new comers that came on the ALDC. i don’t know any other child that the mom’s picked on like how they did brynn.
I agree 100% even though the other girls had it bad they always had a lot of the mothers there to back them up. Brynn really had no one. Mackenzie was one of her best friends on the show, but even Melissa wouldn’t back Brynn up.
I don’t agree. Subtle racism was strong all the way through with some of the new comers. For example the way nikaya has spoken about her treatment behind the scenes was disgusting
@@leilaskips3621 that was from Abby though right? The original comment said that Brynn was bullied the most from the MOMS. Every black girl to come on that show dealt with racism mainly from Abby. They were cool with the moms
Now I'm going to be completely honest I did not like Brynn or her mom on dance moms, but the way how Jill targeted Brynn for every single thing she did, it really didn't sit right with me. I know Ashely also said some things about Kendall but Jill has a history of coming for people's children. I think the bickering should've stayed between the moms because it really hurts when I see the girls getting involved
it's interesting to me that a lot of jojo's brand is anti-bullying, yet here's jess literally laughing and bragging about bullying someone. (Edit: I adore jojo but I'm not sure about Jess. And y'all are saying that jojo isn't her mother, which is absolutely true, but remember that jojo's brand was created by jess. I just think it's hypocritical for Jess to create this whole anti-bullying brand when she herself is a bully. That's not jojo's fault at all - I'm criticizing Jess, not jojo. I love jojo.)
jojo literally wrote a song called boomerang about anti-bullying and spoke out about it for many years. also jess and jojo are two different people and jojo was never completely raised by jess
i feel like brynn had one of the hardest times on the show because she was constantly being bashed by the mothers and she seemed left out a lot, also i feel like the producers would do anything to try and make her look bad
I would love to see one talking about how the show portrayed dancers like Paige. Nicaya and Nia to be the weaker dancers compared to their things outside of the show
@@peacendpola23 Oh I 100 percent agree with you but I have seen Kaya talk about how they portrayed her to be such a terrible dancer and Nicaya cried when the episode of her solo came out. Paige and Nia weren't the best dancers on the team but Waka Waka before the show aired was so much better than Nia in S1 for example. People say the producers made her dance on her bad side.... don't think this is true though
Paige was a good dancer. Not technically fabulous but outside of the show, she consistently placed in the top three at competitions. Paige just needed longer than a week to learn her dances. She also needed to be in a lot less stressful of an environment as the show was extremely damaging to her mental health.
Jill: Dont speak back to adults *towards brynn* Kendall: WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN *towards Ashley* Jill: it’s ok because she’s my little Kendall Edit: I’m sorry if people are taking this the wrong way. Both girls had every right to stand up for themselves but what im saying is that Jill wouldn’t let Brynn stand up for herself but she did let Kendall, which is hypocritical
@@trishapaytaslover8329 and so was brynn... they're saying it's hypocritical of jill to criticize brynn when she allows/praises kendall for doing the same thing
Jill shouldn't have told Brynn that, but Kendall had every right to yell at Ashley after what she said to her. Brynn also had every right to yell at Jill, if she wanted to.
It is completely toxic. I was an avid fan the first 4-5 seasons, but stopped watching due to ridiculous unnecessary drama(and trauma for the kids)I was pleased when they started posting full dance.
I remember being so appalled by the way the moms treated Brynn when she came on. I know her mom would stir the pot a bit but they all did too so I don’t think she was any worse than them. Even if it was ‘just for tv’ I think the moms behaviour towards brynn and the bullying was disgusting and there’s no excusing it especially from Jess and Jill.
Omg yessssss when I tell you I was on the verge of tears out of pure frustration. And the fact that absolutely no one and I’m sorry but not even holly stuck up for them or call Jess and Jill out. Literally everyone sat back and watched it happen. It made me so angry like how did no one feel no remorse . Even the girls said nothing and always questioned brynn as to why she was crying like what do you mean????, ugh
@@daniellechristian7139 Same. I actually stopped watching dance moms that season because Brynn was one of my favorites and they treated her like that. Like, I wasn’t too bothered by all the mom drama the earlier seasons, but when they actually bullied a child, that was when they went too far for me.
could you make an episode about camryn and her time on the show? she has stated multiple times that she felt like she was bullied by the other girls and that they didn't try to include her into their friend group. Maybe also touch on the whole drama surrounding camryn apparently saying to the girls that she wanted to go home in season 7! Just an idea!
They were honestly hella jealous of brynn. Brynn literally had so many national titles and won the dance awards which is a huge honor in dance. She more flexible and had better training and technique than every single dancer on that show, and they were mad cuz she was so much more better than their daughters
dance wise, she was just as good as nia. hate the moms all you want but don’t bring the other girls down. as you can see, most of them were genuinely nice to brynn.
@@DM-hm5jg nope she is not. she was literally the same as maddie. i think even kalani was better than maddie at one point. just because she’s your favorite doesn’t mean she’s better than everyone else.
@@jen-jl5dn I never stated she was my favorite so stop grasping at straws because your trying to support a redundant argument. She trained at club dance studio which trained more professional dancers than Abby ever did. Her technique and dancing was far superior than any of those girls. It’s a fact
@@DM-hm5jg seeing as how you’re denying that all of these girls are TALENTED EQUALLY suggests that you do have a favorite. kalani didn’t train under Abby and she’s just as good as her. not sure what point you’re trying to make.
I think Jess done this just to get the producers off her back, Jill however was completely jealous that someone better turned up and “my little Kendall wasn’t the next star” I really started disliking Jill after season 6
I started to dislike Jill from the moment she entered that dance studio, she picked on EVERY SINGLE girl on the show from season 2 it was horrible, especially how she treated holly and Nia in season 5
@@keepmeinurorbit I started hating her when she suggested that Kendall play Rosa parks, idec if it’s fake and the producers told you just don’t do that
Jill regreted her actions, she definitely did most of it just to get the producers off her back. The other part was because Kendall was going through a tough time, she was getting harassed online and it effected her negatively, you could just see it through her dancer and attitude on the show. She was drained, and Jill was probably thinking that if she did was the producers said then they leave her daughter alone. Obviously not the smartest decision and Jill has grown up and regretted her actions. Jess on the other hand is something else
Liyah Did you not watch the whole video, especially the clip where Jill was on the podcast and said “You know I said some things, and I truly regret saying them.”
I get that Ashlee was a major problem but common... Regardless a GROWN ADULT SHOULD NEVER COME AT A CHILD LIKE THAT! The fact some of the moms used the excuse well ashlee said this.... Well doesn't matter... The moms shoulda just been the bigger person leave the child out of it yk.. & when ashlee talks bad then talk about ashlee to her face.. They came for brynn so many times on a personal level it stopped being about dance.. Some of the moms straight up bullied brynn. Regardless again dont come for the child.
Omg yes or when brynn was so stressed and if I’m not mistaken had an anxiety attack when she had to do partner work with the guy Yaldo or Mario (I’m assuming that was his name) and the moms were attacking brynn for it and basically saying she was a brat
we can all say these things, but if you are stuck in contacts, which they were, lifetime owned your ass, one of the moms tried even to go to court to not have to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to lifetime if she broke her contract, and she still lost and had to find a way to get herself and her daughters out of the show. so its not that simple, the producers call the shots on almost everything except school, and how long the girls can be filmed, and if no parents no girls. I also think that Abby keeps forgetting the tittle of the show, its not Abby lee and the Dance moms, its called DANCE MOMS, so the moms who before this, were paying for their girls to be taught by you, should have acted in a profetinal manner, and i don't believe she has or did any of the crap she gloats about and holds over the kids heads, she may know stars and actors nd such, but if she acted this way in theater especially on Broadway she would be fired and black listed from every theater on Broadway ever. The moms were just doing what the producers told them they had to do. and hating on jess doesn't make what happened go away. plus i agree, the moms after the original girls that came in and got on the team or were new, don't deserve to be in front, or get solos, they have to work and earn it like the originals did. And I hated the fact they added the mini's to the later shows, i felt it was not needed to go so young, and stuff.
Yeah i agree and some moms said that they would not includ kids in the fights and that moms would fight so kids don't have to. But Brnn was bullied every every single day buy a GROWN ADULT.
@@marvincorre4783 you’re saying u wouldn’t defend you’re child if someone hurt her? Ok maybe it was wrong of Christi to say it in her face ig but it was an irrational and in the moment thought..we all say things we don’t mean but if we’re being honest what she said wasn’t wrong good friends don’t lie and hold secrects to eachother🤷🏽♀️
Also also also that cometition where breathe went against kendalls bollywood dance is the most rigged thing ive ever seen To win tda you have to be THE BEST of the best in the whole of america. There is no way that kendall could beat it, as well as beating bostyn and jaycee, two other (later) best dancer winners.
I feel like these adults sell their souls for the sake of tv. If a producer told me to mock a child "just for drama", I'd still say NO. It is never okay. Why do they justify their actions as "they did it for the show"? It disgusts me. The simple truth is that Brynn was the best dancer and they were jealous of her talent. The moms projected their insecurities about their own children on to Brynn. Period.
regarding brynn and the ticket; that was 100% the other mom's doing. Ashley explicity says "Abby took it away because you made such a big deal about it" - those tweets are VAGUE "don't believe editing!" "Ashley dug her own grave" they never have problem getting SPECIFIC for other instances. They were nasty and got her ticket taken away and then tried doing damage control when the backlash came.
I would believe that if Holly hadn't backed up those claims. She NEVER attacked anyone's kid on that show. She and Nia also spent time with Ashlee and Brynn outside the show. I don't think she would lie about that. Ashlee wasn't a nice person. She's very pretty and talks softly but a lot of her words were toxic and harsh. Yes Brynn was a beautiful girl and better dancer but Ashlee boasted on those facts to moms and girls that had been there longer. Moms and girls that had set the way for people like Ashlee and Brynn to even be on the show. Courtesy goes a long way. That's why she dug her own grave.
hi You can argue, in a sense, that Ashlee was the cause of her kid being dragged in, if she didn’t constantly try to say Brynn was better than maybe it wouldn’t have evolved the way it did, I really don’t think you can just say “It’s these peoples fault cause they went after a kid” it’s never black and white like that
Leah Unfeigned Holly wasn’t exempt from picking on other children. Whenever a new kid came to the ALDC- whether the child was there for a few weeks or permanently- Holly would complain about how the new kids were taking opportunities away from Nia. She’d say this out loud and in her interviews. She’d also say things like, “Nia deserves this more.” While Holly was the most sane (permanent) mother, she wasn’t perfect.
Mikey pre Brynn’s arrival, the only two times I saw a kid get treated differently because of their mom was when Christi yelled a Paige and Kira saying that Sarah wasn’t a good dancer I front of her. I remember an OG mom, Melissa, saying something along the lines of never dragging a kid into drama or taking it out on them. Ironic for various reasons in itself I know.
I'm honestly not surprised hearing that guest dancers thought Kendall was nasty considering she watched her mom bully another woman and her child for money on television.
@@Exkoesme that has nothing to do with her portraying her mother’s wrong doings..she’s old enough to know wrong for right and she continued her moms actions
I dont like how her and all the other girls (except nia) bullied jojo and talked crap about her. They were probably jealous cuz they knew she had star potential
Brynn literally outdanced the entire team. She had the technique and flexibility. She floated when she danced while most of the others, with the exception of maybe Maddie, were just heavy dancers. I don’t mean weight wise, but like heavy footed. I think that’s why the moms bullied a child was because they all knew Brynn could outdance their kids so they wanted to tear her down. Club Dance is just a superior dance studio. Only Kalani could dance amazingly well.
Brynn was one of the most gorgeous dancers ever to grace the stage when she was at Club with Alexa. She never should have left there for this trash. Jess and Jill are horrible human beings and whether Ashley antagonized them or not doesn’t make their behavior okay.
Yep the second that Jess was accepted she turned and started hazing other people to continue to be accepted by the other moms. Felt like watching high school drama. She’s fake and disgusting
@kristin EXACTLY. Brynns jazz and contemp facials and overall emotions are literal perfection so its laughable that the show portrayed her to have no acting skills.
I don’t think actress is the right word to use in this situation, I agree with you, Brynn has amazing facial expressions, but anyone can make facial expressions, it’s not indicative of whether you’re a good actress
@@itslaurraa exactly, honestly i probably enjoyed/connected to Kendall facial expressions and emotions the least, idk if its just me. And even for jess, jojo had great jazz facials but not much else. They really acted like they're kids had won an Oscar or something
One of the hardest moments to watch for me was the end of s6ep16 where the moms were in the dressing room after the competition. Now I didn’t like Ashlee at all, but it’s hard not to feel bad for her when none of the moms will even listen to her points, and just all act like mean girls and laugh at her instead. During this scene she brings up how it’s hypocritical of Jess to talk about Brynn so badly and negatively when they had all just made Ashlee agree that everyone should keep their mouths shut about the kids. This was when Jess was pointing out repeatedly how Brynn was dressed up like JoJo with a bow on her hat for her hip hop solo. Now, I got really annoyed with Holly specifically during this interaction, bc it seemed like she pick and chose what children she stood up for all the time. In this moment Ashlee was right for once, Jess was bullying her daughter, and instead of acknowledging this and everyone talking it out, Holly said it was Ashlee’s fault Jess was saying that stuff in the first place. The scene ends with Jess CONTINUING to make fun of Brynn and her dancing, saying the only moves she has are kicking her leg up, and all the moms giggle like a group of high school popular girl bullies while Ashlee walks out in tears. Even Holly herself, miss “saying stuff about the children is unacceptable,” was laughing along with everyone and participating in the bullying. I thought as an educator she would know how toxic being a bystander is. Anyways, watching Jill and Melissa stupidly smirk and smile at Jess’s nasty jabs abt Brynn’s dancing while Ashlee got more and more upset too gave me the ick so badly. It’s like they wanna cry and scream so much when it’s their child someone is talking badly about, but as soon as it’s Ashlee’s kid it’s ok and the funniest thing they’re ever heard. I just couldn’t stand this moment or really much of s6 bc of how much the og moms and Jess acted like actual fools by bullying a child on national tv just bc they didn’t like her mom. Absolutely disgusting behavior from everyone, including Holly.
That sheer talent comp WAS rigged. How can Kendall beat brynns breathe solo with a Bollywood solo. Not to mention how Kendall managed to beat 3 other fresh faces girls from CLUB DANCE which is one of the best studios in the US. Sheer talent is completely biased towards the ALDC. Also the ALDC group dance that week was no where near the Club group dance.
I think they were all a little jealous of Brynn :/ I also thought that it was really sad that Holly never really said anything when the moms were mean to Brynn. She’s all about kindness and saving arguments for when the kids aren’t there, however, Brynn was a prime target all the time. **Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support what Brynn’s mom did either, but negatively addressing a kid is pathetic.
Christi when she says “everything is about Maddie” is actually true without jealousy either, but Jill and Jessalyn are obviously scared a new kid is taking Kendall’s and jojo’s place, also trying to scare away brynn.
i believe it was mostly due to how problematic ashlee was for the show, how jealous they were, and for entertainment. they always blamed brynn for things she couldnt control. jill and jess were very rude to brynn.
i feel she wasn’t that problematic though? like what she said to Kendall was wrong, but she apologized. she tried to stay out of drama but the moms always attacked her and brought her child into it.
I really felt bad for brynn throughout her time on the show. She was an amazing dancer and weather it was scripted, rehearsed or whatever. The show destroyed her passion
Can you please do a video on Abby's former students (who weren't on the show) who - according to her - went on to have these amazing careers as professional dancers?
I am going to be 100% honest, I didn’t like Brynn or Ashley because I thought in the beginning when they joined the show, Ashley kept talking about how Brynn will be the next Maddie, and I thought that was pretty rude and mean (acting as if Maddie is just a trophy, easily replaced) and she was also picking on the children a lot, but she didn’t deserve the harassment and rude (and sometimes hostile) behavior towards her.
I’m gonna be honest ,I thought Brynn And Ashlee as normal but until the Moms targeted her ,I felt sorry for her and grew to like her even more ... Jill can say whatever she wants on podcasts and tweets and Jess also but they criticised Brynn on national tv and it did not look fake or scripted at all! you should think twice before you say anything rude or humiliating to a person which will be aired on Tv. They definitely targeted Brynn.
Poor Brynn 😭 I also thought it was really screwed up that they did the group dance about divorce court when apparently Ashlee was going that week to deal with it personally.
the way brynn was treated was absolutely vile, she was an incredibly polite, sweet girl and she had so many good things coming for her. just bc she was a lovely dancer and in some aspects, better than a lot of the other kids, doesnt mean she deserved that crap
The worst part is that they involved Brynn in the whole thing. Ok, they don’t have to get along with Ashlee because it’s not possible to get along with everyone but for all the moms to act that immature to the point where Jill and Jess were literally bullying Brynn, making her have anxiety…that’s like unacceptable
Lmaooo I was thinking the same thing! I was thinking no wonder they support trump, even when they are obviously in the wrong she stands behind the fact that “everyone is allowed their own opinion” like no there is definitely a right and a wrong in that situation, we do not have to accept your shitty “opinion”
Brynn was totally left out by the other girls. I saw an episode where they had a mani-pedi and ice cream tgt and they won’t let her talk. Like I get it that she’s younger than them but they didn’t make Kenzie left out when she was on the show.
To anyone asking Idk when or what or why I've just heard it as a rumor on twitter from one of the moms(?). and I would like to emphasize how fucking despicable it is for an adult woman to accuse a child of a violent crime without a substantial threat or evidence of such. Especially considering the way POC are treated by the justice system, and how black women/girls are portrayed in media.
Madyson Willoughby I just watched a video on it from years ago and it’s so horrible to have an adult accuse a child of physically assaulting her without having proof because there’s the old saying; “Innocent until proven guilty.”
It was disgusting how those grown adults bullied that little girl. I heard some of them looked down on her because she wasn't as wealthy as the other girls but all in all it was jealousy. She was young, she was pretty and she was bursting with talent.
Can someone explain how nia was able to “work” when holly wasn’t there in season 2 and there are countless times when mealisa is not at the studio/competition (especially in the earlier episodes).
Perhaps it’s because the producers got written consent off the moms to film their kid and were told ahead of time that they wouldn’t be on camera. For the pajama prank, the moms didn’t say anything to anyone.
Jill and Jess were jealous of Brynn and maybe the other moms too. I honestly think that they were upset that there kids were there for 5/10 yrs at the aldc and really didnt have alot to show for it. While brynn came to the aldc season 5 for one week came bck season 6/7 and had alot to show for it and also was a winning soloist idc what anyone says that girl had a gift
Before I watched Dance Moms me and my cousin founded one of Jojo's song called "Boomrang" and became a fan of Jojo for about 6 years now. When I watched Dance Moms and got to the episode where Jojo and Jess comes in the show when Brynn was in it, Jess started bullying Brynn and I still hate Jess for her own actions towards Brynn and Ashlee. Jojo's personality is like really hyper when she isn't on Dance Moms and when the show was over (maybe on the show). Jojo shows that she cares about her friends and the team.
i don’t like how brynn and ashlee treated camryn and camille, it felt very racially motivated to me personally, and the way brynn treated the irreplaceables, especially after the last dance BUT jill and jess were absolutely horrible to brynn. i don’t like brynn and ashlee that much but they were treated unfairly at times.
Jill and Jess remind me of the moms of the kids that bullied me all throughout elementary and middle school for coming from a poor family - you witness them being kind, friendly, warm to EVERYONE ELSE but you. Jojo doesn't seem at all like Jess but man I hope Kendall never let Jill's behavior rub off on her.
I couldn’t stand the episodes when Brynn was abused by Jill. Yes I used the word abused on purpose. She mentally destroyed that girl because she was better than Kendal and she couldn’t stand it. I’m not sure why Jess abused her, I stopped watching before it got to that point. It frustrates me so bad that NOBODY stuck up for Brynn. I wanted to cry because it reminded me of how my mom abused me.
What's disgusting to me is that brynn was mackenzies best friend and Melissa still targeted brynn because she was a threat to maddie and kendall and jill was her "best friend" which she could've totally been good friends with Ashley if brynn hadn't been targeted at the "next maddie"
I think that Jess and Jill were the cruelest to Brynn, but especially Jess. Jess seems to have no remorse for her actions and even Ashlee has said in multiple occasions that Jess made the atmosphere worse for her. I think that Jess fueled Jill to be cruel to Brynn. Because once Jess left, their relationship on camera seemed better. However I do think that Jill was sometimes jealous because she did this often with other members of the dance team. Maybe it was told by production but I don’t know. As for Muriel, I was so frustrated that she did that. I thought production set her up to do it but no she just made drama herself. While I hated Ashlee because she antagonized the dancers a lot, especially ones who didn’t deserve it like Chloe, Brynn didn’t deserve the treatment that she got from the other moms.
I found Ashlee and Brynn pompous and annoying honestly. However, I did not agree with how Jill and Jess kept digging at Brynn as she was a child. It's hard for me to feel bad for people that came later on like Ashlee, Brynn, Camille and Camryn because they purposely joined the show knowing it was filled with drama and toxic behavior. The show had been well established and the cast had already exposed it's heinous interworkings, yet people lined up anyways to subject their children to emotional and mental abuse for the sake of fame. Don't complain about stress, you asked for it unlike the og cast who had no idea where the show was going and were locked in grotesque contracts for six years.
@@destinyking8992 There was always an underline arrogance in Brynn. She is a lot like her mother. Brynn is a child so her actions and attitude are shaped by those raising her. For that reason I found her annoying, I did not dislike her, she's a child. I disliked her attitude and I disliked Ashlee as she's an adult. Also, Brynn wasn't always as "quiet" as she seemed. Behind the scenes there was drama between her and Camryn where she exposed a secret Camryn trusted her with, the same way her mother exposed Camille's secret. Brynn also publicly talked badly about the other girls online during season 7. Being "quiet" doesn't always mean you're not toxic.
Leah Unfeigned but didn’t Camryn say stuff about Brynn and didn’t Camille too? What secret did Brynn expose? If I’m not even mistaken ASHLEE is the one who exposed what Camryn said. Brynn wasn’t problematic in my eyes but we all have different opinions
@@destinyking8992 Camryn called Brynn a female dog after Brynn had exposed what she said. She later apologized. Camryn confided in Brynn that she missed being at home with her real friends. She also said some of the girls were spoiled and she wasn't use to their expensive and materialistic life styles. I did not agree with Camryn as those girls worked hard for what they had, however, these conversations were outside of the show and Brynn had promised to keep them secret. Brynn told her mother and Ashlee exposed it as well as some things Camille had told her in secrecy. Brynn then went and confirmed everything to the other girls causing conflict between Camryn and the others. It showed that Ashlee couldn't be trusted and she was teaching Brynn the same behaviors. When people confide in you keep what they say to yourself. It was wrong.
Leah Unfeigned okay, basically you don’t like Ashlee. If someone told me something like that I would tell my mom too, so it wasn’t even Brynn who exposed what she said, she just confirmed it and if Camryn was lying saying she had ss of what Brynn has said then Brynn confirming what she said isn’t even a big deal. Don’t lie about having receipts and then when someone actually brings receipts you apparently don’t have any. Also Brynn didn’t promise to keep anything. Camryn stated she hated the team and the girls went to go tell abby that. Do you dislike the girls too? Bc she told them that in confidence hoping they won’t tell anyone but they told.
Can I just say that Melissa treated Brynn and Ashlee badly too. For what I remembered Melissa called Ashlee an idiot, she said that Brynn can only point out a leg, she wanted to see Ashlee fail, she was being a total shameless hypocrite, basically said that Brynn going to the people’s choice awards was a dumb idea, and said that Brynn is nothing to the team. So I kinda wish Melissa was brought up in this video. Edit: I can understand why people thought that Ashlee antagonized the moms and I’ll admit she was a little arrogant and boastful but I can’t really blame her. Her daughter was brought in because she had the best shot at being the “next Maddie.” So Ashlee didn’t say it Abby did. Her daughter was never acknowledged by the moms so that’s why Ashlee constantly said stuff. My daughter was the only one who got first place or pretty glad that Brynn has solo this week so she can be acknowledged. And can I just say that the moms never let her talk and just let Jess and Jill be absolutely horrible to those two? These moms never listen to people are the ones who are really arrogant and their pretty dumb too. P.S I hate how so many people hate Brynn now because she left the team and were mad at the moms. One she’s just a kid. Two she has every right to be mad at the moms and three she probably was just tired of the way she was treated and I feel like for a long time she was never really able to express herself. I just people would just leave her alone!!! Another Edit: And let’s not forget about Kira either. Kira was right beside Jess and Jill acting like how Brynn was crying in the bathroom.
I love this series so much!! Could you do an episode on all of Abby's random disappearances in season 5/6/7 (somewhere around there)? I know she was dealing with legal issues at the time, but the way she acted seemed really strange to me
it always made me so angry how Jill made Ashlee seem like a horrible person for not having the kids dance when there was literally nothing she could do about it.
also with the rivalry trios, no sh*t Brynn's won, kalani and Brynn are miles ahead of the rest of the girls in technique. jojo and Kendall simply didn't have the technique and Maddie made a major mistake.
Jill should’ve been worried about her kid not Ashlees kid. Jill needed to stop being so jealous. Kendall gotten opportunities and solos too. Jill can’t handle when another moms kid gets solos and opportunities but when her kid gets them she’s all proud. Be happy for Brynn too the world doesn’t revolve around Kendall.
Do you know what it takes to DEVELOP eyebags and dark circles even for a normal adult??? Poor Brynn came in freshfaced and happy and was there for only a few episodes before she started looking like a single mom who has to work two jobs, deal with 6 of her own kids and cries herself to sleep for however many few hours of sleep she can get. Seeing a child looking haggard was heartbreaking for me. I don't care how terrible Ashley was or what the producers told the mothers to do, seeing Brynn like that woulda made me hug her every single time I saw her
I haven't finished the video yet, but I do wanna say that that the moms never said anything about Brynn that Ashlee hadn't said about their kids. People dont talk enough about Ashlee's interviews on the show. They were honestly hard to watch because she always brought down a child to make Brynn look better. I'm not saying that it's right for any parent to talk about a child, but I dont think people talk enough about the foul things Ashlee has said.
Ashlee would literally critique the girls dancing tho, and never to their face. Except the one time in pyramid when she said “Brynn had a better season than Kendall” (which tbf is not that deep). Jill and Jess on the other hand literally ripped on Brynn for everything. From her face, acting, intelligence, dancing, emotions... EVERYTHING
Scripted or not, Jess and Jill's behaviour towards Brynn was absolutely disgusting. She was a child and they out and out bullied her. I hope they regret their actions
Ashely tho
@@avawalsh6261 yeah she wasn't great, and did also say some unacceptable things. But from what I remember, she never targeted a specific child
Absolutely agreed! And yes Ashley was bad too but they should’ve went after the grown women not the child
yea, I find it unsettling that Jess is laughing about how her and Jill decided to target Ashley considering how it affected Brynn
Abigail Lyman Actually Jojo left because she got a deal with Nickloadean but you’re point still stands
She looks so much healthier now she's off the show. That poor girl looked exhausted, broken down, and on the brink of tears or anxiety the whole time she was in Dance Moms. I'm so glad she's doing better now.
LMAOOO… it’s called puberty.. puberty hit her like a brick lmao 😅🤣🤣🤣 so yo whole comment isssa reaaaaaaachhhh 💀💀
@@kaylamarie7896 seriously 🙄
jess was straight evil to brynn. i don’t know if she was jealous or what but she tore that girl apart, unprovoked.
obv jealous.. look at jess and jojo and their poor unnattractive looks/genetics then look at how beautiful brynn was and still is. let alone dancing, jojo was a downright awful dancer and brynn had beautiful technique
it was pure jealousy, brynn won the tda’s and jojo can barely win at a dance competition
@@BoglimWrangler666 I agree that jess was awful but bringing another child down because of their parent is not ok, also you shouldn't call someone ugly by your beauty standards.
Probably jealousy. Remember Sarah and Christy? Look up the video where they are invited back to the ALDC at the same time Jojo and Jess first show up there. Jojo was supposed to do Maddie's dance but it was too difficult for her so she got a Jazz dance and Sarah got what was supposed to be Jojo's dance. First thing you hear Jess say? Sarah looks like a thriftshopper or a hobo or something like that. And during Sarah's rehearsal she keeps making snide comments about her to Christy. All just because Sarah was able to outdance Jojo. Brynn has amazing technique and so of course Jess has to be an awful bitch once more.
@@iisuperstarii7310 Honestly it’s a miracle JoJo came out so well.
The fact that Jess can sit there on her podcast and be like "teehee, yeah we ganged up on Ashlee, teehee" as if being nasty, manipulative, and vicious to another woman and her young child is a funny, normal thing REALLY bugs me. I don't care if it's for the show to create drama, where are your morals?! They sold their souls to the show!
She's honestly such a stage mom. She pushed JoJo into fame when she didn't want to do it.
yea.. that was very unsettling.
The irony of her admitting, and giggling about it, that they ganged up on Ashlee while Jess sits in front of sparkly framed sayings about being nice to people. Literally the definition of a hypocrite!
@@TefiTheWaterGipsy It's honestly embarrassing
Sorry but considering Ashlee said stuff like “JoJo never deserved to be on Dance Moms”, I don’t feel bad for Ashlee.
I totally get why Ashlee was bitter. Especially after Jess and Jill admitted that. I mean, they both were new moms one upon a time and know that the mothers are beyond unwelcoming. Not that Ashlee should say her daughter is better than most ( even though Kalani & Brynn were technically miles above the ALDC girls ) , Ashlee didn’t deserve all the comments about her weight, and the hypocrisy about “picking on kids”. Jess and Jill became so unbearable in later seasons, it was awful.
Both Kalani and Brynn is from Arazona (i don’t know how to spell it) so that’s maybe why
Saga Astrand Govaerts oh yeah, they attended Club Dance in Arizona before going to ALDC. I get it, Dance Moms has exposure, but their dancing regressed during time there.
Jess Jill and Kira are all hypocrites. They all caused drama to get a permanent contract for their daughters and so did Ashlee. I really believe they were jealous that Brynn would get more air time on the show. Young dm stans think Melissa wanted Maddie to get solos so she could be the star of the studio but it really comes down to exposure on national television, and every mum wanted that for their kid!
haha okay she is a Trump supporter , and so is Jill and Kalani and Kira and I hate it here fuck everyone is so problematic
@@soph5707 holly queen
I don’t like Jessalyn. She pushed JoJo into fame, she bullied Brynn, LAUGHED about her and Jill ganging up on Ashlee.
AND she’s anti-vax
月食luna wait she is??
Yeah she’s gross
well look at what pushing jojo into fame brought her ??? MONEY
lulbabbyyshyannaa jojo was taken out of PRESCHOOL. it turned out amazing for her I just think her mom pushed her into it way to early
I always felt so bad for Brynn watching Dance Moms. Poor girl did not deserve all the hate she got. Shame on Jess, ESPECIALLY Jill for what they put them through.
I didn’t like Brynn because of her mother
Don’t forget about Melissa it was always Melissa, Jill and Jess
Jess was more of a bully than Jill at least she admitted that she regretted it
But ashlee ruins it like the reason the mums shout at brynn cuh she creats the drama n all dat
@@haileyparsons3844 Melissa didn't do anything
Abby calling brynn “boo hoo brynn” really rubs me the wrong way
I know!!! Especially as she was so nice to Brynn in the episode
Please love GOD and spread his word : ) ❤️
She's prob joking(no hate)
@@Lee-qy8zs the bird is the word
The way abby shames kids for having normal emotions is sick
I don't care what anyone says, Jess is/was a horrible woman to bring a child into her stupid thoughts on views and/or drama.
Yeah and she was laughing while talking about how her and jill ganged up on ashley
..like that's not funny that's mean
@@kelsey2333 Absolutely. Brynn was a child and didn't have the social coping skills to deal with such a horrible bully.
@@kelsey2333 yes exactly. I'm sorry but nothing excuses shouting "why can't you have a brain" or the yelling at brynn. Or jess going after her when she was crying in the bathroom. They didn't do that to anyone else
Shelley C yep and After Jill yelled
At Byron about not having a brain I lost so much respect for her
They seemed to act like teenagers and when it is aimed at a child it was on the edge of abuse.
Why is jess so happy to talk abour her bullying someone???? Jess is a stage mom thats obsessed with fame. She is still stuck in middle school smh
She’s a disgusting lady - quite the opposite of JoJo, who seems like a really nice girl
shes a narcissistic living vicariously through her child
her podcast name says it all like
“success with jess” really?
SueP-D I honestly believe that most of personality could be an act, notice how different she acts now than when she was on the show
Yenelly Yeah, you’re probably right. She’s a good actress then! I believed her 😅
idc what anyone says. brynn was bullied the MOST out of all of the new comers that came on the ALDC. i don’t know any other child that the mom’s picked on like how they did brynn.
I agree 100% even though the other girls had it bad they always had a lot of the mothers there to back them up. Brynn really had no one. Mackenzie was one of her best friends on the show, but even Melissa wouldn’t back Brynn up.
camryn and brynn fr.
I don’t agree. Subtle racism was strong all the way through with some of the new comers. For example the way nikaya has spoken about her treatment behind the scenes was disgusting
@@leilaskips3621 that was from Abby though right? The original comment said that Brynn was bullied the most from the MOMS. Every black girl to come on that show dealt with racism mainly from Abby. They were cool with the moms
@@kiiarax4685 nikaya and her mom both said that they experienced racism from all the moms except Melissa and holly
Now I'm going to be completely honest I did not like Brynn or her mom on dance moms, but the way how Jill targeted Brynn for every single thing she did, it really didn't sit right with me. I know Ashely also said some things about Kendall but Jill has a history of coming for people's children. I think the bickering should've stayed between the moms because it really hurts when I see the girls getting involved
Yup
I dont like jill at all
Yeah
@@saraholivier1349 she never did that she targeted the favoritism
I wasn't surprised when Jill came after Brynn. When Jill joined the team, Jill would say some things about Nia.
I can’t stand how fake Jess is. What she did to Brynn was awful and she laughs it off. Love Jojo tho
how do you like jojo when she’s racist💀
Taylor Harvey jojo isn’t racist lol
Taylor Harvey since when was she racist I-
Jojo’s tiktok genuinely is iconic. I love her.
Taylor Harvey The only reason she didn’t really talk about BLM is because she has a kid audience
I hate that, that woman lied to Abby that Brynn didn’t want to do it because there was no need for it!
I feel like the producers had something to to do with that, so that it would fit the storyline of Brynn being nervous.
Yeah that was such a lame thing to do smh
it's interesting to me that a lot of jojo's brand is anti-bullying, yet here's jess literally laughing and bragging about bullying someone.
(Edit: I adore jojo but I'm not sure about Jess. And y'all are saying that jojo isn't her mother, which is absolutely true, but remember that jojo's brand was created by jess. I just think it's hypocritical for Jess to create this whole anti-bullying brand when she herself is a bully. That's not jojo's fault at all - I'm criticizing Jess, not jojo. I love jojo.)
Squiddy FancySon really? She talks about it all the time.
jojo literally wrote a song called boomerang about anti-bullying and spoke out about it for many years. also jess and jojo are two different people and jojo was never completely raised by jess
@Squiddy FancySon that’s her entire brand. she literally has so many anti bullying songs
@Squiddy FancySon it’s her brand.
Jojo is not her mother.
i feel like brynn had one of the hardest times on the show because she was constantly being bashed by the mothers and she seemed left out a lot, also i feel like the producers would do anything to try and make her look bad
Top 4
Chloe
Paige
Nia
Brynn
Brynn was there to replace Chloe, so that makes sense
Amy Bess for me, she’s like a mix of Maddie and Chloe with the way she was treated.
It seems like the blondes were targeted. Nia had it quiet bad aswell tho
Pain isn't a competition... :/
UGHHH that scene where Mariel lies to Abby in front of the other moms is soo frustrating to watch
IKR like why would you do this and then I felt soooooo bad for brynn when she got yelled at
OMG I GOT SO MAD
Right. Like if your son is injured , it’s okay. She should’ve said that he was injured, there’s nothing wrong with it.
Literally … I felt so bad for Brynn and Ashlee because Brynn never said that, Mariel just irked me so bad
I would love to see one talking about how the show portrayed dancers like Paige. Nicaya and Nia to be the weaker dancers compared to their things outside of the show
Weeell, I think you can see their technique. It wasn't good. And obviously those dances Abby picked didn't help either.
@@peacendpola23 Oh I 100 percent agree with you but I have seen Kaya talk about how they portrayed her to be such a terrible dancer and Nicaya cried when the episode of her solo came out. Paige and Nia weren't the best dancers on the team but Waka Waka before the show aired was so much better than Nia in S1 for example. People say the producers made her dance on her bad side.... don't think this is true though
@@dechante6696 I think apart from not being the strongest they picked dances that weren't fit for them either.
peacendpola23 Definitely! Nia isnt the strongest dancer on the team but her dances sometimes were just awful
Paige was a good dancer. Not technically fabulous but outside of the show, she consistently placed in the top three at competitions. Paige just needed longer than a week to learn her dances. She also needed to be in a lot less stressful of an environment as the show was extremely damaging to her mental health.
Jill: Dont speak back to adults *towards brynn*
Kendall: WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN *towards Ashley*
Jill: it’s ok because she’s my little Kendall
Edit: I’m sorry if people are taking this the wrong way. Both girls had every right to stand up for themselves but what im saying is that Jill wouldn’t let Brynn stand up for herself but she did let Kendall, which is hypocritical
mY LiTTle kEnDaLL
Kendall was just speaking up for herself
how’s that talking back?
@@trishapaytaslover8329 and so was brynn... they're saying it's hypocritical of jill to criticize brynn when she allows/praises kendall for doing the same thing
Jill shouldn't have told Brynn that, but Kendall had every right to yell at Ashley after what she said to her. Brynn also had every right to yell at Jill, if she wanted to.
This show was just so toxic I am so happy it ended.
Same. I loved the show and watched it literally from the day it came out, but it was just way too toxic for everyone involved
It didn't?
Spoiler alert : its coming back
It is completely toxic. I was an avid fan the first 4-5 seasons, but stopped watching due to ridiculous unnecessary drama(and trauma for the kids)I was pleased when they started posting full dance.
@@pokpaks3211 I’m not watching I hated season 8 well I hated it after chloe left it’s so boring now and they’re all naggy
I remember being so appalled by the way the moms treated Brynn when she came on. I know her mom would stir the pot a bit but they all did too so I don’t think she was any worse than them. Even if it was ‘just for tv’ I think the moms behaviour towards brynn and the bullying was disgusting and there’s no excusing it especially from Jess and Jill.
Omg yessssss when I tell you I was on the verge of tears out of pure frustration. And the fact that absolutely no one and I’m sorry but not even holly stuck up for them or call Jess and Jill out. Literally everyone sat back and watched it happen. It made me so angry like how did no one feel no remorse . Even the girls said nothing and always questioned brynn as to why she was crying like what do you mean????, ugh
@@daniellechristian7139 Same. I actually stopped watching dance moms that season because Brynn was one of my favorites and they treated her like that. Like, I wasn’t too bothered by all the mom drama the earlier seasons, but when they actually bullied a child, that was when they went too far for me.
@@shiafye7884 The way they acted towards her is inexcusable. She’s a child and they’re middle aged hags that should know better 🤬
could you make an episode about camryn and her time on the show? she has stated multiple times that she felt like she was bullied by the other girls and that they didn't try to include her into their friend group. Maybe also touch on the whole drama surrounding camryn apparently saying to the girls that she wanted to go home in season 7! Just an idea!
Yes! And poor Camryn was bullied online, and called ugly N-word 🤬🤬🤬🤬. I really respected Camryn for her dancing and positive attitude.
Camryn’s a fantastic person who deserves far more credit
They were honestly hella jealous of brynn. Brynn literally had so many national titles and won the dance awards which is a huge honor in dance. She more flexible and had better training and technique than every single dancer on that show, and they were mad cuz she was so much more better than their daughters
dance wise, she was just as good as nia. hate the moms all you want but don’t bring the other girls down. as you can see, most of them were genuinely nice to brynn.
@@jen-jl5dn She was 100% better than all of those girls. There’s no argument. It’s a fact
@@DM-hm5jg nope she is not. she was literally the same as maddie. i think even kalani was better than maddie at one point. just because she’s your favorite doesn’t mean she’s better than everyone else.
@@jen-jl5dn I never stated she was my favorite so stop grasping at straws because your trying to support a redundant argument. She trained at club dance studio which trained more professional dancers than Abby ever did. Her technique and dancing was far superior than any of those girls. It’s a fact
@@DM-hm5jg seeing as how you’re denying that all of these girls are TALENTED EQUALLY suggests that you do have a favorite. kalani didn’t train under Abby and she’s just as good as her. not sure what point you’re trying to make.
I think Jess done this just to get the producers off her back, Jill however was completely jealous that someone better turned up and “my little Kendall wasn’t the next star” I really started disliking Jill after season 6
I started to dislike Jill from the moment she entered that dance studio, she picked on EVERY SINGLE girl on the show from season 2 it was horrible, especially how she treated holly and Nia in season 5
@@keepmeinurorbit I started hating her when she suggested that Kendall play Rosa parks, idec if it’s fake and the producers told you just don’t do that
Jill regreted her actions, she definitely did most of it just to get the producers off her back. The other part was because Kendall was going through a tough time, she was getting harassed online and it effected her negatively, you could just see it through her dancer and attitude on the show. She was drained, and Jill was probably thinking that if she did was the producers said then they leave her daughter alone.
Obviously not the smartest decision and Jill has grown up and regretted her actions. Jess on the other hand is something else
Hailey Parsons did she admit that she regretted it?
Liyah Did you not watch the whole video, especially the clip where Jill was on the podcast and said “You know I said some things, and I truly regret saying them.”
I get that Ashlee was a major problem but common... Regardless a GROWN ADULT SHOULD NEVER COME AT A CHILD LIKE THAT!
The fact some of the moms used the excuse well ashlee said this.... Well doesn't matter...
The moms shoulda just been the bigger person leave the child out of it yk.. & when ashlee talks bad then talk about ashlee to her face..
They came for brynn so many times on a personal level it stopped being about dance.. Some of the moms straight up bullied brynn. Regardless again dont come for the child.
Omg yes or when brynn was so stressed and if I’m not mistaken had an anxiety attack when she had to do partner work with the guy Yaldo or Mario (I’m assuming that was his name) and the moms were attacking brynn for it and basically saying she was a brat
we can all say these things, but if you are stuck in contacts, which they were, lifetime owned your ass, one of the moms tried even to go to court to not have to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to lifetime if she broke her contract, and she still lost and had to find a way to get herself and her daughters out of the show. so its not that simple, the producers call the shots on almost everything except school, and how long the girls can be filmed, and if no parents no girls. I also think that Abby keeps forgetting the tittle of the show, its not Abby lee and the Dance moms, its called DANCE MOMS, so the moms who before this, were paying for their girls to be taught by you, should have acted in a profetinal manner, and i don't believe she has or did any of the crap she gloats about and holds over the kids heads, she may know stars and actors nd such, but if she acted this way in theater especially on Broadway she would be fired and black listed from every theater on Broadway ever. The moms were just doing what the producers told them they had to do. and hating on jess doesn't make what happened go away. plus i agree, the moms after the original girls that came in and got on the team or were new, don't deserve to be in front, or get solos, they have to work and earn it like the originals did. And I hated the fact they added the mini's to the later shows, i felt it was not needed to go so young, and stuff.
Yeah i agree and some moms said that they would not includ kids in the fights and that moms would fight so kids don't have to. But Brnn was bullied every every single day buy a GROWN ADULT.
@@Laura-jk4gb yess she was so scared the moms were gonna make fun of her for it and they did exactly that
@@marvincorre4783 you’re saying u wouldn’t defend you’re child if someone hurt her? Ok maybe it was wrong of Christi to say it in her face ig but it was an irrational and in the moment thought..we all say things we don’t mean but if we’re being honest what she said wasn’t wrong good friends don’t lie and hold secrects to eachother🤷🏽♀️
Jill and Jess were so brutal to Brynn that it was disgusting to watch, no matter WHAT you feel about her mother. Awful.
That’s what I said, like there’s no way the producers can push you that far. They pushed themselves to do that
Also also also that cometition where breathe went against kendalls bollywood dance is the most rigged thing ive ever seen To win tda you have to be THE BEST of the best in the whole of america. There is no way that kendall could beat it, as well as beating bostyn and jaycee, two other (later) best dancer winners.
Breathe?
@@amybess Its her tda winning solo, its honestly incredible and id definitely recommend watching
@@camillee8436 yesss! and "enter one"🥺😍
@@adinab478 enter one is probably in my top three competition solos of all time, its too perfect.
for real tho, Kendall wasn't any good, below average thats it.
I feel like these adults sell their souls for the sake of tv. If a producer told me to mock a child "just for drama", I'd still say NO. It is never okay. Why do they justify their actions as "they did it for the show"? It disgusts me.
The simple truth is that Brynn was the best dancer and they were jealous of her talent. The moms projected their insecurities about their own children on to Brynn. Period.
Factssss👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
No she wasn't! 😒
THE POOKS AND BUTROS eh kinda
Exactly like u don’t have morals
i love hearing the welcome back, like yesssss it’s back! hands down my favourite series of all time
What the heck , I got none of that , hands down my face ?
Isobel Upperdine omg thank you, i meant favourite 😅
Chloe Bear 🤣
honestly
PLEASE do a conspiracy video about what really happened between Abby and Melissa (with the whole Australian money fraud thing)!
yes i wanna know what happened!!!
She did. S 1 E 10
Melissa definitely had part of that..the only reason she left at the time she did and doesn’t use Abby anymore because that’s what Melissa does
@@shawnakay5290 Exactly and hurt her own kids in the process because she was money hungry 🤦🏽♀️
@@zamayafrasier1144 maddie and Mackenzie said that they wanted to leave the show and we’re sick of it at the time they left
regarding brynn and the ticket; that was 100% the other mom's doing. Ashley explicity says "Abby took it away because you made such a big deal about it" - those tweets are VAGUE "don't believe editing!" "Ashley dug her own grave" they never have problem getting SPECIFIC for other instances. They were nasty and got her ticket taken away and then tried doing damage control when the backlash came.
I would believe that if Holly hadn't backed up those claims. She NEVER attacked anyone's kid on that show. She and Nia also spent time with Ashlee and Brynn outside the show. I don't think she would lie about that. Ashlee wasn't a nice person. She's very pretty and talks softly but a lot of her words were toxic and harsh. Yes Brynn was a beautiful girl and better dancer but Ashlee boasted on those facts to moms and girls that had been there longer. Moms and girls that had set the way for people like Ashlee and Brynn to even be on the show. Courtesy goes a long way. That's why she dug her own grave.
Leah Unfeigned you don’t drag a kid into it. Then the point becomes invalid.
hi You can argue, in a sense, that Ashlee was the cause of her kid being dragged in, if she didn’t constantly try to say Brynn was better than maybe it wouldn’t have evolved the way it did, I really don’t think you can just say “It’s these peoples fault cause they went after a kid” it’s never black and white like that
Leah Unfeigned Holly wasn’t exempt from picking on other children. Whenever a new kid came to the ALDC- whether the child was there for a few weeks or permanently- Holly would complain about how the new kids were taking opportunities away from Nia. She’d say this out loud and in her interviews. She’d also say things like, “Nia deserves this more.” While Holly was the most sane (permanent) mother, she wasn’t perfect.
Mikey pre Brynn’s arrival, the only two times I saw a kid get treated differently because of their mom was when Christi yelled a Paige and Kira saying that Sarah wasn’t a good dancer I front of her. I remember an OG mom, Melissa, saying something along the lines of never dragging a kid into drama or taking it out on them. Ironic for various reasons in itself I know.
Watching this makes me so sad. I feel like the show was way too toxic for Brynn, poor girl :(
Poor girl
It's so sad seeing Brynn loose her passion for dance:( she was a prodigy:(
How can Jess laugh about bullying a CHILD🤦♀️
Idk to me both Jess and Jill are gross
I'm honestly not surprised hearing that guest dancers thought Kendall was nasty considering she watched her mom bully another woman and her child for money on television.
As much as I agree that her mom was nasty Kendall doesn’t have power over her mom. The kids on the show were the ones with little to no power at all.
@@Exkoesme that has nothing to do with her portraying her mother’s wrong doings..she’s old enough to know wrong for right and she continued her moms actions
I dont like how her and all the other girls (except nia) bullied jojo and talked crap about her. They were probably jealous cuz they knew she had star potential
@@Exkoesme kendall literally threw a bottle in camryn's face which is found on camryn video analysis or smthg
@@kelsey2333 Maddie never bullied Jojo either
It’s sad how attacked Brynn got
I literally would never even THINK of bullying a child in the ways that Brynn or any of these other girls were bullied on the show
The way brynn was treated always made me feel so sad, Jill truly did take away her opportunity to go to the peoples choice awards :(
Brynn literally outdanced the entire team. She had the technique and flexibility. She floated when she danced while most of the others, with the exception of maybe Maddie, were just heavy dancers. I don’t mean weight wise, but like heavy footed. I think that’s why the moms bullied a child was because they all knew Brynn could outdance their kids so they wanted to tear her down. Club Dance is just a superior dance studio. Only Kalani could dance amazingly well.
Agreed. Ashlee might have been right to say that the competition was rigged. How does a solo that won the TDA lose to a Bollywood solo?
They're not the best.
Valente Malangatana stop commenting on every comment like that. makes you seem desperate. lol
Valente Malangatana are you saying club dance isn’t the best? Or that aldc isn’t the best?
Valente Malangatana club dance is a highly ranked studio and is better than the ALDC
"Why did the mums target brynn"
Oh my where would you like to start
The video’s about the way Brynn was treated; all I can focus on is how dark the bags under her eyes were. She looks utterly exhausted.
love how jess has a sign behind her that says "its cool to be kind" but was one of the most vindictive mothers in dance moms
I actually feel REALLY bad for Brynn :c
I love your profile picture
Jesus Christ thank u!
Me too
poor Brynn she looked so unhappy :(
Brynn was one of the most gorgeous dancers ever to grace the stage when she was at Club with Alexa. She never should have left there for this trash. Jess and Jill are horrible human beings and whether Ashley antagonized them or not doesn’t make their behavior okay.
I agree.
I find it odd that Jess and Jill were ‘partners in crime’ when Kendall was pretty awful to jojo at times
Yep the second that Jess was accepted she turned and started hazing other people to continue to be accepted by the other moms. Felt like watching high school drama. She’s fake and disgusting
Also if you think brynns a bad actress PLEASE watch enter one, breathe or violet where she has immaculate emotions and facials
@kristin EXACTLY. Brynns jazz and contemp facials and overall emotions are literal perfection so its laughable that the show portrayed her to have no acting skills.
I don’t think actress is the right word to use in this situation, I agree with you, Brynn has amazing facial expressions, but anyone can make facial expressions, it’s not indicative of whether you’re a good actress
@@CYBER_N0T yeah i agree. I meant more emotions, she emotes very well with her body and face.
PERIODT.
@@itslaurraa exactly, honestly i probably enjoyed/connected to Kendall facial expressions and emotions the least, idk if its just me. And even for jess, jojo had great jazz facials but not much else. They really acted like they're kids had won an Oscar or something
One of the hardest moments to watch for me was the end of s6ep16 where the moms were in the dressing room after the competition. Now I didn’t like Ashlee at all, but it’s hard not to feel bad for her when none of the moms will even listen to her points, and just all act like mean girls and laugh at her instead. During this scene she brings up how it’s hypocritical of Jess to talk about Brynn so badly and negatively when they had all just made Ashlee agree that everyone should keep their mouths shut about the kids. This was when Jess was pointing out repeatedly how Brynn was dressed up like JoJo with a bow on her hat for her hip hop solo. Now, I got really annoyed with Holly specifically during this interaction, bc it seemed like she pick and chose what children she stood up for all the time. In this moment Ashlee was right for once, Jess was bullying her daughter, and instead of acknowledging this and everyone talking it out, Holly said it was Ashlee’s fault Jess was saying that stuff in the first place. The scene ends with Jess CONTINUING to make fun of Brynn and her dancing, saying the only moves she has are kicking her leg up, and all the moms giggle like a group of high school popular girl bullies while Ashlee walks out in tears. Even Holly herself, miss “saying stuff about the children is unacceptable,” was laughing along with everyone and participating in the bullying. I thought as an educator she would know how toxic being a bystander is. Anyways, watching Jill and Melissa stupidly smirk and smile at Jess’s nasty jabs abt Brynn’s dancing while Ashlee got more and more upset too gave me the ick so badly. It’s like they wanna cry and scream so much when it’s their child someone is talking badly about, but as soon as it’s Ashlee’s kid it’s ok and the funniest thing they’re ever heard. I just couldn’t stand this moment or really much of s6 bc of how much the og moms and Jess acted like actual fools by bullying a child on national tv just bc they didn’t like her mom. Absolutely disgusting behavior from everyone, including Holly.
Jessalynn : openly talks about how she practically bullied a girl on national tv
The poster in the background: it’s cool to be kind 🥰
That sheer talent comp WAS rigged. How can Kendall beat brynns breathe solo with a Bollywood solo. Not to mention how Kendall managed to beat 3 other fresh faces girls from CLUB DANCE which is one of the best studios in the US. Sheer talent is completely biased towards the ALDC. Also the ALDC group dance that week was no where near the Club group dance.
there is a lot of evidence proving sheer talent isn’t exactly a “fair” competition.
A lot of the 'wins' are rigged by producers lol.
Brynn is also from club dance
I mean, Brynn literally won in one of the hardest dance competition in the US. 💁♀️💁♀️💁♀️💁♀️
The classic line there is somethings the producers care to show
They were incredibly of jealous of Brynn. That’s why. End of the story.
I think they were all a little jealous of Brynn :/ I also thought that it was really sad that Holly never really said anything when the moms were mean to Brynn. She’s all about kindness and saving arguments for when the kids aren’t there, however, Brynn was a prime target all the time.
**Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support what Brynn’s mom did either, but negatively addressing a kid is pathetic.
Christi when she says “everything is about Maddie” is actually true without jealousy either, but Jill and Jessalyn are obviously scared a new kid is taking Kendall’s and jojo’s place, also trying to scare away brynn.
Especially when the kid is a better dancer
Brynn was such a great dancer and it's sad that the show killed her passion for dance.
HELP THE WAY THAT ABBY TELLS EVERY STORY SO DRAMATICALLY I LOVE IT LMFAO
falls. off. the tumble track. breaks. his ankle.
i believe it was mostly due to how problematic ashlee was for the show, how jealous they were, and for entertainment. they always blamed brynn for things she couldnt control. jill and jess were very rude to brynn.
i feel she wasn’t that problematic though? like what she said to Kendall was wrong, but she apologized. she tried to stay out of drama but the moms always attacked her and brought her child into it.
@@niaram your not out there kendall well she isnt out there to talk to an adult who wasnt talking to you thats bratty
Elisabeth Fanfan i literally didn’t comprehend that sentence at all 😔
@@niaram sorry i meant kendall should not have talked to ashley she was all bog and strong till ashley roasted her but then left huh
Elisabeth Fanfan ohhh okay, thank you
So the other moms can talk about brynn but when Ashlee talks about Their kids it’s “don’t talk about other kids”
I really felt bad for brynn throughout her time on the show. She was an amazing dancer and weather it was scripted, rehearsed or whatever. The show destroyed her passion
Can you please do a video on Abby's former students (who weren't on the show) who - according to her - went on to have these amazing careers as professional dancers?
oh my gosh yessss
the dude who did the senior group dance with Brooke, he was in Mean Girls on broadway, that’s all i know though
I've always wondered that, too. "I make stars!" Well, before the show, who?
@@niaram Wasn’t he the same guy who was charged with sexual misconduct with minors?
I am going to be 100% honest, I didn’t like Brynn or Ashley because I thought in the beginning when they joined the show, Ashley kept talking about how Brynn will be the next Maddie, and I thought that was pretty rude and mean (acting as if Maddie is just a trophy, easily replaced) and she was also picking on the children a lot, but she didn’t deserve the harassment and rude (and sometimes hostile) behavior towards her.
I’ll be honest, I never really liked Brynn, but Jill and Jess were just unnecessarily rude to her
I’m gonna be honest ,I thought Brynn And Ashlee as normal but until the Moms targeted her ,I felt sorry for her and grew to like her even more ... Jill can say whatever she wants on podcasts and tweets and Jess also but they criticised Brynn on national tv and it did not look fake or scripted at all! you should think twice before you say anything rude or humiliating to a person which will be aired on Tv. They definitely targeted Brynn.
“Even Holly backed up this claim.” Idk why, but when Holly says anything I believe it’s the truth lol
Poor Brynn 😭 I also thought it was really screwed up that they did the group dance about divorce court when apparently Ashlee was going that week to deal with it personally.
The one dislike was the Producers Main Account
Or it was Jess or Jill
😂😂😂
the way brynn was treated was absolutely vile, she was an incredibly polite, sweet girl and she had so many good things coming for her. just bc she was a lovely dancer and in some aspects, better than a lot of the other kids, doesnt mean she deserved that crap
you can also see Yadiel's ankle with an ice pack on it in the episode where brynn and him had the duet, and yadi's mum said brynn didnt want to dance
The worst part is that they involved Brynn in the whole thing. Ok, they don’t have to get along with Ashlee because it’s not possible to get along with everyone but for all the moms to act that immature to the point where Jill and Jess were literally bullying Brynn, making her have anxiety…that’s like unacceptable
I already knew already of this because I'm lowkey obsessed with Brynn. Also, I love your visuals. They're so beautiful.
I'll never forget Bryn crying in the bathroom and Jess having a go at her because of it.
I’m still mad at the moms for blaming Brynn when the boy was the one who didn’t want to do the duet. I hate that moment.
I don’t care what the moms say amongst themselves, but bullying some ones child isn’t right period
Finally thank you 🙏🏼 I thought I was the only one who saw just how disgusting both Brynn and Ashlee were treated by those two 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
why haven't i noticed before, Jill literally talks like Trump
Lmaooo I was thinking the same thing! I was thinking no wonder they support trump, even when they are obviously in the wrong she stands behind the fact that “everyone is allowed their own opinion” like no there is definitely a right and a wrong in that situation, we do not have to accept your shitty “opinion”
This is why I like seasons 1-4 more 😂
Brynn was totally left out by the other girls. I saw an episode where they had a mani-pedi and ice cream tgt and they won’t let her talk. Like I get it that she’s younger than them but they didn’t make Kenzie left out when she was on the show.
What about when Ashlee accused Camryn (age 13) of assaulting her? Was that real
What kind of assault?
Yeah, what kind of Assault?
jimin you got no jams it was physical assault
To anyone asking Idk when or what or why I've just heard it as a rumor on twitter from one of the moms(?). and I would like to emphasize how fucking despicable it is for an adult woman to accuse a child of a violent crime without a substantial threat or evidence of such. Especially considering the way POC are treated by the justice system, and how black women/girls are portrayed in media.
Madyson Willoughby I just watched a video on it from years ago and it’s so horrible to have an adult accuse a child of physically assaulting her without having proof because there’s the old saying; “Innocent until proven guilty.”
This really is the most addictive thing to watch , I am so invested in this series . So THANK YOU for getting me through quarantine.❤️😁
It was disgusting how those grown adults bullied that little girl. I heard some of them looked down on her because she wasn't as wealthy as the other girls but all in all it was jealousy. She was young, she was pretty and she was bursting with talent.
Can someone explain how nia was able to “work” when holly wasn’t there in season 2 and there are countless times when mealisa is not at the studio/competition (especially in the earlier episodes).
Perhaps it’s because the producers got written consent off the moms to film their kid and were told ahead of time that they wouldn’t be on camera. For the pajama prank, the moms didn’t say anything to anyone.
Jill and Jess were jealous of Brynn and maybe the other moms too. I honestly think that they were upset that there kids were there for 5/10 yrs at the aldc and really didnt have alot to show for it. While brynn came to the aldc season 5 for one week came bck season 6/7 and had alot to show for it and also was a winning soloist idc what anyone says that girl had a gift
Before I watched Dance Moms me and my cousin founded one of Jojo's song called "Boomrang" and became a fan of Jojo for about 6 years now. When I watched Dance Moms and got to the episode where Jojo and Jess comes in the show when Brynn was in it, Jess started bullying Brynn and I still hate Jess for her own actions towards Brynn and Ashlee. Jojo's personality is like really hyper when she isn't on Dance Moms and when the show was over (maybe on the show). Jojo shows that she cares about her friends and the team.
i don’t like how brynn and ashlee treated camryn and camille, it felt very racially motivated to me personally, and the way brynn treated the irreplaceables, especially after the last dance BUT jill and jess were absolutely horrible to brynn. i don’t like brynn and ashlee that much but they were treated unfairly at times.
It couldn’t have been racially motivated since they never treated Nia and Holly like that
@@justateapot3847that doesn’t make sense
Jill and Jess remind me of the moms of the kids that bullied me all throughout elementary and middle school for coming from a poor family - you witness them being kind, friendly, warm to EVERYONE ELSE but you. Jojo doesn't seem at all like Jess but man I hope Kendall never let Jill's behavior rub off on her.
I couldn’t stand the episodes when Brynn was abused by Jill. Yes I used the word abused on purpose. She mentally destroyed that girl because she was better than Kendal and she couldn’t stand it.
I’m not sure why Jess abused her, I stopped watching before it got to that point.
It frustrates me so bad that NOBODY stuck up for Brynn. I wanted to cry because it reminded me of how my mom abused me.
What's disgusting to me is that brynn was mackenzies best friend and Melissa still targeted brynn because she was a threat to maddie and kendall and jill was her "best friend" which she could've totally been good friends with Ashley if brynn hadn't been targeted at the "next maddie"
I think that Jess and Jill were the cruelest to Brynn, but especially Jess. Jess seems to have no remorse for her actions and even Ashlee has said in multiple occasions that Jess made the atmosphere worse for her. I think that Jess fueled Jill to be cruel to Brynn. Because once Jess left, their relationship on camera seemed better. However I do think that Jill was sometimes jealous because she did this often with other members of the dance team. Maybe it was told by production but I don’t know. As for Muriel, I was so frustrated that she did that. I thought production set her up to do it but no she just made drama herself. While I hated Ashlee because she antagonized the dancers a lot, especially ones who didn’t deserve it like Chloe, Brynn didn’t deserve the treatment that she got from the other moms.
I love how i get these notifications around 1 am
CEO of there’s more to Dance Moms then the producers cared to show (and I love it)
I wish Brynn was never on the show. I love her but it was not good for her. She was bullied all the time
I found Ashlee and Brynn pompous and annoying honestly. However, I did not agree with how Jill and Jess kept digging at Brynn as she was a child. It's hard for me to feel bad for people that came later on like Ashlee, Brynn, Camille and Camryn because they purposely joined the show knowing it was filled with drama and toxic behavior. The show had been well established and the cast had already exposed it's heinous interworkings, yet people lined up anyways to subject their children to emotional and mental abuse for the sake of fame. Don't complain about stress, you asked for it unlike the og cast who had no idea where the show was going and were locked in grotesque contracts for six years.
Brynn was honestly quiet so I don’t get how u can find the child annoying if she rarely spoke
@@destinyking8992 There was always an underline arrogance in Brynn. She is a lot like her mother. Brynn is a child so her actions and attitude are shaped by those raising her. For that reason I found her annoying, I did not dislike her, she's a child. I disliked her attitude and I disliked Ashlee as she's an adult. Also, Brynn wasn't always as "quiet" as she seemed. Behind the scenes there was drama between her and Camryn where she exposed a secret Camryn trusted her with, the same way her mother exposed Camille's secret. Brynn also publicly talked badly about the other girls online during season 7. Being "quiet" doesn't always mean you're not toxic.
Leah Unfeigned but didn’t Camryn say stuff about Brynn and didn’t Camille too? What secret did Brynn expose? If I’m not even mistaken ASHLEE is the one who exposed what Camryn said. Brynn wasn’t problematic in my eyes but we all have different opinions
@@destinyking8992 Camryn called Brynn a female dog after Brynn had exposed what she said. She later apologized. Camryn confided in Brynn that she missed being at home with her real friends. She also said some of the girls were spoiled and she wasn't use to their expensive and materialistic life styles. I did not agree with Camryn as those girls worked hard for what they had, however, these conversations were outside of the show and Brynn had promised to keep them secret. Brynn told her mother and Ashlee exposed it as well as some things Camille had told her in secrecy. Brynn then went and confirmed everything to the other girls causing conflict between Camryn and the others. It showed that Ashlee couldn't be trusted and she was teaching Brynn the same behaviors. When people confide in you keep what they say to yourself. It was wrong.
Leah Unfeigned okay, basically you don’t like Ashlee. If someone told me something like that I would tell my mom too, so it wasn’t even Brynn who exposed what she said, she just confirmed it and if Camryn was lying saying she had ss of what Brynn has said then Brynn confirming what she said isn’t even a big deal. Don’t lie about having receipts and then when someone actually brings receipts you apparently don’t have any. Also Brynn didn’t promise to keep anything. Camryn stated she hated the team and the girls went to go tell abby that. Do you dislike the girls too? Bc she told them that in confidence hoping they won’t tell anyone but they told.
Can I just say that Melissa treated Brynn and Ashlee badly too. For what I remembered Melissa called Ashlee an idiot, she said that Brynn can only point out a leg, she wanted to see Ashlee fail, she was being a total shameless hypocrite, basically said that Brynn going to the people’s choice awards was a dumb idea, and said that Brynn is nothing to the team. So I kinda wish Melissa was brought up in this video.
Edit: I can understand why people thought that Ashlee antagonized the moms and I’ll admit she was a little arrogant and boastful but I can’t really blame her. Her daughter was brought in because she had the best shot at being the “next Maddie.” So Ashlee didn’t say it Abby did. Her daughter was never acknowledged by the moms so that’s why Ashlee constantly said stuff. My daughter was the only one who got first place or pretty glad that Brynn has solo this week so she can be acknowledged. And can I just say that the moms never let her talk and just let Jess and Jill be absolutely horrible to those two? These moms never listen to people are the ones who are really arrogant and their pretty dumb too.
P.S I hate how so many people hate Brynn now because she left the team and were mad at the moms. One she’s just a kid. Two she has every right to be mad at the moms and three she probably was just tired of the way she was treated and I feel like for a long time she was never really able to express herself. I just people would just leave her alone!!!
Another Edit: And let’s not forget about Kira either. Kira was right beside Jess and Jill acting like how Brynn was crying in the bathroom.
I love this series so much!! Could you do an episode on all of Abby's random disappearances in season 5/6/7 (somewhere around there)? I know she was dealing with legal issues at the time, but the way she acted seemed really strange to me
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it always made me so angry how Jill made Ashlee seem like a horrible person for not having the kids dance when there was literally nothing she could do about it.
also with the rivalry trios, no sh*t Brynn's won, kalani and Brynn are miles ahead of the rest of the girls in technique. jojo and Kendall simply didn't have the technique and Maddie made a major mistake.
Jill should’ve been worried about her kid not Ashlees kid. Jill needed to stop being so jealous. Kendall gotten opportunities and solos too. Jill can’t handle when another moms kid gets solos and opportunities but when her kid gets them she’s all proud. Be happy for Brynn too the world doesn’t revolve around Kendall.
I was so excited when you posted this! I’ve been waiting for this... I really love your videos btw ❤️
Do you know what it takes to DEVELOP eyebags and dark circles even for a normal adult??? Poor Brynn came in freshfaced and happy and was there for only a few episodes before she started looking like a single mom who has to work two jobs, deal with 6 of her own kids and cries herself to sleep for however many few hours of sleep she can get.
Seeing a child looking haggard was heartbreaking for me. I don't care how terrible Ashley was or what the producers told the mothers to do, seeing Brynn like that woulda made me hug her every single time I saw her
I haven't finished the video yet, but I do wanna say that that the moms never said anything about Brynn that Ashlee hadn't said about their kids. People dont talk enough about Ashlee's interviews on the show. They were honestly hard to watch because she always brought down a child to make Brynn look better. I'm not saying that it's right for any parent to talk about a child, but I dont think people talk enough about the foul things Ashlee has said.
But Ashlee doesn’t say it in front of the kids
Ashlee would literally critique the girls dancing tho, and never to their face. Except the one time in pyramid when she said “Brynn had a better season than Kendall” (which tbf is not that deep). Jill and Jess on the other hand literally ripped on Brynn for everything. From her face, acting, intelligence, dancing, emotions... EVERYTHING
So sad that, that day was the baddest day in her life because their dance was really good and I enjoyed it