As a Dutchie from the area where Harm had his plant, I bought my first (and unfortunately the only so far) record on GVR in september 2022. The dubbele album 'Tomorrow Hits Today' by the Dutch band 'Voltage'. I was pretty flabbergasted by the quality, no surface noice. Maybe because the fluid liquid injection molding can reach the groves better than pressing, not sure, but it makes sense. Anyway it sounds amazing. Perfectly flat aswell. There is no mentioning that this record is from GVR with these environmental and quality benefits. That's a pitty, it should be more promoted. As Billie Eilish is a promotor for Environmental issues in vinyl industry, she should make at least one on GVR. I understand that one machine can make a miljoen a year, that's over 80k a month, could be done. And what about a GVR RSD drop ever year. There are some people in the comments reacting on comparisons whith RTI, Pallas. I do own pressing of them and i think it can handle the challenge. But as most of you know quality is depending on recording, mastering, etching etc. Pressing,or molding, is at the end of the line (except pakking and shipping offcourse). So comparison should be done by the same 'stamper'. Comparing GVR with UHQR (I own some) is a different animal, but i think its not the point here as UHQR records is a niche market for audiophiles. If GRV or molding techniques can get a big marked share, it can make a impact on environment. Harm, i applaud you, keep on going with this innovation.
Great to get the update from the source. Thanks for doing that. Since the stamper is the same stamper as standard vinyl, it would be interesting if someone could get RTI or QRP to create the plates/stampers and do a shootout between RTI, QRP, Palas and green vinyl. According to the founder PET injection molding should result in s better sound, but we need someone like Michael Fremer or yourself to do a blind test.
Great video. Glad to hear that vinyl production has progressed beyond the 1960’s - glad there is scope to improve sound quality and reduce environmental impact and cost.
Thanks for the update! I bought a GVR record after watching your last video (maybe two*) and I'm impressed with the record. The disc is flat, the outer edge is square/flat, and the lead-in area is wide and flat - all very good things. The label feels and looks like paper and has a few tiny scrapes with a little bit of white showing that looks like paper but I could be mistaken. The mold didn't 100% fill-in in few spots but it's extremely close and I didn't hear anything different. The color of the one I purchased is translucent green (I can't compare it to a standard black record) and is very smooth. The only minor problem was that it came with a few small scratches that probably would not have happened if they used poly inner sleeves. Maybe, yet to be invented, "green" inner sleeves will replace the standard sandpaper, I mean, paper inner sleeves in the future. * I received a record a few days ago in the mail that looks very similar to the GVR one but not quite the same. I definitely would purchase more GVR records and would recommend them to others.
After watching your first Video on these injection molded records I went out on Amz-. And purchased, “A Handful Of Memories by Adam Wakeman”, through Blacklake Records. - Quick note on shipping, poor came in thin single record mailer. Also record was not in the sleeve it was in the plastic next to the sleeve. This wouldn’t be an issue if it was mailed in better packaging. My outside package had some dents and bent on one corner. The record survived, but the sleeve does have a bit of the bent corner. - Moral when purchasing from the AMZ. Purchase more the one record so they hopefully put it in a bigger box. I pulled the record out ran my record brush on it and played the record. Initially there where a few minor pops and clicks. That diminished as I tracked further through the record, but never totally disappeared. Some background noise, not as clear as a UHQR or Ultadisc, but was not expecting perfection. Visually they it looks very smooth between songs and the dead wax. Overall sounded as good, possible a little better, then many “mid” level pressing I’ve heard. Could these go away with cleaning, not sure? Does this process use a releasing agent that may need a cleaning? Does this process have the potential of some debris n the groove; after watching this second video, possibly! After all they are still using a “stamper”. I’ll have to keep on oozing for more record created using this method and see how this one off example (for me) compares.
Ive got record's ive played properly thousands of times over decades with very little degradation! Test have been done, vinyl last much longer (properly played) than 70 times! These test have been done in the 50s!
I agree that regular albums not wear off that much after say a 70 playbacks. But your statement of playing a single record thousands of times is just plain bullshit. No one plays a single record thousands of times. If so, get institutionalised asap
@@doctorphibes601 Really, there's never been a DJ who played the same record five times a day for over a year? Jukeboxes never existed? Everybody has the same listening habits and standards that you do? Come on, don't make up stupid conclusions and then double down with a childish insult, you're only revealing your ignorance
@@jamescarter3196 Ignorant? i would say buy a spare copy if you like to play records thousands of times. No vinyl record ever was manufactured for thousands of playback. Do your homework bro
I Thank you for bringing this very interesting and detailed video about this new technology. I see a very big elephant in the room: How does the stamper is cut? To my understanding a standard Mold is made from a Steal material. It has to be precisely machined for the very fine details (resolution) required for the LP Grove somewhere at least around the 0.01 mm or better. Now, there is no problem to achieve this level on molding. there is a need for a diamond head machinery to cut the steal precisely. No big challenge at all. how ever, the machinery that is capable of performing such a precise cutting is controlled by a computer, which uses a very accurate data for cutting the steal. this data is a digital data which represent the whole LP side surface in 3D. all this is presented in 3D coordinated which are controlling the XYZ movement of the cutting head. all is digital of course. So inorder to cut an (Opposite ) analogue grove there is a need to convert the recorded music music into a digital file with such and such resolution etc. etc. Me personally in the opinion that digital domain is superior enough to contain any most challenging audio information, so I do not see a problem here but it would be nice to understand what is the maximum resolution that can be obtained using this technology. However, to make long story short: to my understanding this new technology cannot support an "AAA" vinyl cutting process.
@@anadialog Thank you. I did hear him talking about "same stamper" and it make sense in term of shape and and other parameters , but no any detail of how the stamper is produced or it's material. Is it a regular "Vinyl type" of a stamper? a molding process uses a much higher pressure levels than stamping. To my understanding (and I might be wrong) I am not sure if a regular stamper would not hold that much of a pressure. The Molds that I was using in my past needed to be made out of steal. A typical mold (connected to a molding machine) can have an interchangeable cavity(ies). in this case, for the LP molding there would be a dedicated cavity (the equivalent for a Stamper) per each musical project. By The way. The mold can have more than a single cavity so there is a possibility to produce few prints in the same molding process, this would reduce cost by a lot. A Multiple cavity mold can use different cavities so it would also be possible to mold few projects at same molding process ( it requires a volume and a higher investment in the mold cost. All the above is with my understanding the molding process as a past user. I am not an expert so I would be very thank full if this issue could be cleared. Thanks
Are you using 100% injection moulding or maybe or maybe the mould closes till about 0.127mm closed then inject the the full shot then bring the full lock on. To give that extra little compression of the polymer into the grooves ( Injection / compression )
Guido I'm wondering if you can engage Giulio Cesare Ricci or someone like him who's into doing audiophile records and let him judge the product of Harm Theunisse or if he may even let him print some new editions of his records.
It's like asking police to investigate themselves. Ridiculous garbage pile of 'standardization' this is. This is one slippery slope and sad to see this channel adopt such a position.
@spinningmywheels777 as already stated this is a report of an interesting project which seems done correctly and with passion. It seems that you already know what is good and what is not, judge and executioner! I say we need to move on from the technology of the 40’s and possibly enhance the overall experience and maybe this a part of the puzzle or maybe it’s a disaster but it’s worth knowing about
A very informative video. This new vinyl tech (though it’s not vinyl of course) is better than I thought it was. It seems to have advantages over traditional vinyl in most cases. A couple of questions though…does it sound as good as a mint low production run 180g record? And if kept in storage, does it last as long as vinyl, or degrade quicker?
He claims you play standard LPs 70 times and you get degradation, that's absolutely not true (maybe on a crosley) ! Keep them clean and play them on LIGHT TRACKING good equipment, they shouldn't get damaged at all!😊
@@analoguecity3454 Heck after a few plays depending on many factors a vinyl record can be degraded but they don't define the factors of what caused the wear and tear. Ridiculous rhetoric in the video to state figures without the basis - and Styrene I've seen get shredded in one play - with a PROPER set up - this process showcased here is a cousin to styrene - but they won't admit it and they are just bracketing around the Green scam 'energy saving' garbage. Boy have we fallen as a civilization.
The claim about sound degradation deserves detailed explanation. I can imagine the testing may be done on test signals and checking against originals in both mediums, but still would be good to know how the test was done between standard vinyl and green vinyl.
As a plastics engineer, parts and mold designer I am curious how the molds are designed. Due to the potential for pressure drops across the lp it must be a single hot drop at the center of the disc and the injection rate must be very fast and there still must be a compression phase via a moving die plate, or plates, to minimize the aforementioned pressure drops and subsequent molded in stresses of the disc causing them to warp. Also, cost per disc is a potential concern simply because injection molding machines are significantly more expensive, and more expensive to maintain, than compression molders. Drying time and temperatures for PVC is typically lower. Energy use takes a hit here. Every time I hear Harm use the word precise I see $$$ flash through my brain. I could go on but would am curious to watch the molding process.
With the introduction of DVD, injection/compression moulders were used. This gives a small compression stroke after the injection for the reasons you mentioned
Hey Guido, very interesting video. A question came up with me has to do with warping. Many new vinyl records come warped or dish-shaped. Does the injection molding process increase or decrease the chance of a record coming out warped? Cheers!
I know the business model depends on the contracts being signed, but when and where can the record buying consumers purchase Green Records from? I’m sure this is going to take off like a rocket ship pretty soon.
Excellent video, thank you. Watching and listening though, I don't know... it seems to me that once you introduce robots and automation and remove the human, hand made, aspects, the whole mystique and collectability of vinyl kind of goes out the window. One of the reasons I got back into vinyl was the hand made and fascinating aspects of production. Meaning hand made from the microphone in the studio to the record in the shop. Spitting millions out of a big machine, with all the inconveniences of vinyl; if this takes off in a big way I would probably go back to CD.
@@analoguecity3454 Sorry man but that statement isn’t accurate. CDs have a very high audio quality and are a standard for professional audio. At a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz and a bit depth of 16 bits, this is considered by most to be very high fidelity and can accurately reproduce the audio frequencies that are most important for human hearing. Products like SACDs are even higher fidelity. The perception of a CD capturing only 15% of the original audio is not an accurate reflection of the fidelity of CD audio compared to master tapes. Both digital and analog formats have their own set of limitations and characteristics, but CDs are fully capable of delivering high-quality audio reproduction. Can’t believe as a vinyl record enthusiast I’m actually defending CDs right now.
To be fair CD's are made through automation - and some vinyl is produced with 'some' automation. - this 'automation' is being pushed on the premise of 'energy saving' the Green New Deal agenda which boils down to a 4 letter word SCAM. The politics is what you should really worry about - they are pushing this dangerous scam HARD to the sleepy sheep consumers of the World.
I have been wondering when 3D printed records would become a thing. This is pretty cool tech too. I may have missed it, but shouldn;t this open up the possibility of low number runs for independent musicians? Or, maybe even "On Demand" 1 by 1 records?
the cost will still be there - it's not saving anything and the losses in the industry are huge if they adopt a 'standard' due to this fake green ageneda bull-roar.
Based on what i heard, the steps/process up to making the stampers is the same as existing vinyl so that process will take just as much time/effort/cost.. which means no "on demand" like a 3D printer.
i’m curious myself about how these records affect stylus wear. if he claims they can play 400 times instead of 50 like standard vinyl, i don’t understand how this new formulation is not harder, thus wearing styli down faster? also, there were a few US banded titles release this year that for some reason had flat edges instead of standard tapered edges. my record cleaner wheels weren’t able to create contact with the record to make it spin, so i had to manually keep my fingers on the wheels to push them in slightly so be able to clean the records, not fun doing that for 15 mins. i hope there’s a solution for that! not sure about all cleaners but could def be a prob with the humminguru.
The fact is that PET, in contrast with PVC is much more recyclable. Stylus wear? Don’t know but if Harm says the compound lasts longer then vinyl then I think the stylus’ life is inversely proportional.
I have the Big Black record done by them, the label is not digital printed. Its a normal label like a pressed record. The records sounds fine but I think the modern pressed versions sound a little better. Its a cool novelty but I prefer pressed records.
Hey bro i am your long term subscriber from India Now I am making my own cassette albums as it's very hard and very costly to find original in good shape And i burn audio in cds too please post a video about how to increase mp3 quality before burning into cd Awaiting your reply
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The mic is a professional studio mic electrovoice the RV20. There was noise coming from the mic of Harm plus the noise suppression of the program killed the rest
Wow, thats better for cool climate in the future, if there are more green vinyl. But 180 grams for an lp is far too much, its wasting materials and absolutely not green. 120 or 140 grams is enough. Nobody should by a 180 grams vinyl.
Was wondering if laserdisc can be done using this technic? Since that even pure analog made vinyls approach it's end! The fact is that quality is a cost based factor, and that will never change! Frankly hope this won't take off! (70time a vinyl before degradation??? 1000times is more accurate specially with 1.6-3.0gr)! That's the same bullshit between tube amp and solid state, digital vs analog, electric cars vs analog cars, 3d vinyls vs oldschool etc..! Everything to Reduce! Unfortunately 40 years or more of feedback will confirm if it is an upgrade or a downgrade! greenish s.....!!! A few watts here, some jobs, here, and electric cars 100x times all the pocket economies you've done, not mentioning public space trip, and so on, 800W for gaming/hours! Vinyl making represent nothing behind all of this! However should be interesting for LD, and if it's work could bring back true video content, thing that some people seeking till 2000! (still looking for an analog video consortium...)
Today, when digital music is used everywhere and has unsurpassed quality and unsurpassed capabilities, it is completely stupid to revive expensive and primitive vinyl !
digital music should just be streamed or put on CD I agree - it offers no benefit to put it onto any other format. Analogue recorded music a completely different scenario you bring up a good point it is stupid to put digital forms onto Vinyl or this robot produced garbage..but the market will dictate what people want in the end.
The market will dictate what people want music in high quality and cheap form, in any case, the main thing is not the storage medium, but how the music was recorded and what kind of mastering was done, so many CDs can sound much better than vinyl
@@SimpleMailWork that is the plain facts about what's going on.. the market WILL dictate based on passive income of the consumers. That's one reason they have been pushing the online streaming they forecasted the millenial generation not to have much disposable income and for the most part they were correct.
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As a Dutchie from the area where Harm had his plant, I bought my first (and unfortunately the only so far) record on GVR in september 2022. The dubbele album 'Tomorrow Hits Today' by the Dutch band 'Voltage'. I was pretty flabbergasted by the quality, no surface noice. Maybe because the fluid liquid injection molding can reach the groves better than pressing, not sure, but it makes sense. Anyway it sounds amazing. Perfectly flat aswell. There is no mentioning that this record is from GVR with these environmental and quality benefits. That's a pitty, it should be more promoted.
As Billie Eilish is a promotor for Environmental issues in vinyl industry, she should make at least one on GVR. I understand that one machine can make a miljoen a year, that's over 80k a month, could be done.
And what about a GVR RSD drop ever year.
There are some people in the comments reacting on comparisons whith RTI, Pallas. I do own pressing of them and i think it can handle the challenge. But as most of you know quality is depending on recording, mastering, etching etc. Pressing,or molding, is at the end of the line (except pakking and shipping offcourse). So comparison should be done by the same 'stamper'.
Comparing GVR with UHQR (I own some) is a different animal, but i think its not the point here as UHQR records is a niche market for audiophiles. If GRV or molding techniques can get a big marked share, it can make a impact on environment.
Harm, i applaud you, keep on going with this innovation.
Great to get the update from the source. Thanks for doing that. Since the stamper is the same stamper as standard vinyl, it would be interesting if someone could get RTI or QRP to create the plates/stampers and do a shootout between RTI, QRP, Palas and green vinyl. According to the founder PET injection molding should result in s better sound, but we need someone like Michael Fremer or yourself to do a blind test.
Thanks, good idea!
Great video. Glad to hear that vinyl production has progressed beyond the 1960’s - glad there is scope to improve sound quality and reduce environmental impact and cost.
Great video Guido l really enjoyed hearing about the process from Harm very very interesting.
Thanks for the update!
I bought a GVR record after watching your last video (maybe two*) and I'm impressed with the record. The disc is flat, the outer edge is square/flat, and the lead-in area is wide and flat - all very good things. The label feels and looks like paper and has a few tiny scrapes with a little bit of white showing that looks like paper but I could be mistaken. The mold didn't 100% fill-in in few spots but it's extremely close and I didn't hear anything different. The color of the one I purchased is translucent green (I can't compare it to a standard black record) and is very smooth. The only minor problem was that it came with a few small scratches that probably would not have happened if they used poly inner sleeves. Maybe, yet to be invented, "green" inner sleeves will replace the standard sandpaper, I mean, paper inner sleeves in the future. * I received a record a few days ago in the mail that looks very similar to the GVR one but not quite the same.
I definitely would purchase more GVR records and would recommend them to others.
Thanks for your feedback!
Would be GREAT to film inside that factory ❤ interesting discussion. Wonder if the discs scratch less with this new process??
Would you feel like you're in the movie Brave New World ?
Well, intro and the other b roll are taking from their machine. But I see what you mean.
I was there today and was very impressed by this whole process and the result (sound, looks and numbers etc)
THANKS GUIDO 🤗 HARM,FOR THE CORRECTIONS …NO HARM DONE 😅💚💚💚
Great video, happy to see a new future for vinyl 😎
it's not vinyl .
Very enlightening session indeed!
Thanks Guido 😊
After watching your first Video on these injection molded records I went out on Amz-. And purchased,
“A Handful Of Memories by Adam Wakeman”, through Blacklake Records.
- Quick note on shipping, poor came in thin single record mailer. Also record was not in the sleeve it was in the plastic next to the sleeve. This wouldn’t be an issue if it was mailed in better packaging. My outside package had some dents and bent on one corner. The record survived, but the sleeve does have a bit of the bent corner.
- Moral when purchasing from the AMZ. Purchase more the one record so they hopefully put it in a bigger box.
I pulled the record out ran my record brush on it and played the record.
Initially there where a few minor pops and clicks. That diminished as I tracked further through the record, but never totally disappeared.
Some background noise, not as clear as a UHQR or Ultadisc, but was not expecting perfection.
Visually they it looks very smooth between songs and the dead wax.
Overall sounded as good, possible a little better, then many “mid” level pressing I’ve heard.
Could these go away with cleaning, not sure?
Does this process use a releasing agent that may need a cleaning?
Does this process have the potential of some debris n the groove; after watching this second video, possibly! After all they are still using a “stamper”.
I’ll have to keep on oozing for more record created using this method and see how this one off example (for me) compares.
Very interesting! Thanks for the info 🍻
Ive got record's ive played properly thousands of times over decades with very little degradation! Test have been done, vinyl last much longer (properly played) than 70 times! These test have been done in the 50s!
Yes, I agree if treated correctly and NOT played constantly a record can last for decades. I think Harm was just making a comparison.
I agree that regular albums not wear off that much after say a 70 playbacks. But your statement of playing a single record thousands of times is just plain bullshit. No one plays a single record thousands of times. If so, get institutionalised asap
@@doctorphibes601 Really, there's never been a DJ who played the same record five times a day for over a year? Jukeboxes never existed? Everybody has the same listening habits and standards that you do? Come on, don't make up stupid conclusions and then double down with a childish insult, you're only revealing your ignorance
@@jamescarter3196 Ignorant? i would say buy a spare copy if you like to play records thousands of times. No vinyl record ever was manufactured for thousands of playback. Do your homework bro
I Thank you for bringing this very interesting and detailed video about this new technology.
I see a very big elephant in the room: How does the stamper is cut?
To my understanding a standard Mold is made from a Steal material. It has to be precisely machined for the very fine details (resolution) required for the LP Grove somewhere at least around the 0.01 mm or better.
Now, there is no problem to achieve this level on molding. there is a need for a diamond head machinery to cut the steal precisely. No big challenge at all. how ever, the machinery that is capable of performing such a precise cutting is controlled by a computer, which uses a very accurate data for cutting the steal. this data is a digital data which represent the whole LP side surface in 3D. all this is presented in 3D coordinated which are controlling the XYZ movement of the cutting head. all is digital of course.
So inorder to cut an (Opposite ) analogue grove there is a need to convert the recorded music music into a digital file with such and such resolution etc. etc. Me personally in the opinion that digital domain is superior enough to contain any most challenging audio information, so I do not see a problem here but it would be nice to understand what is the maximum resolution that can be obtained using this technology. However, to make long story short: to my understanding this new technology cannot support an "AAA" vinyl cutting process.
Harm explained that. They use the same vinyl stampers/molds! 15:38
@@anadialog Thank you. I did hear him talking about "same stamper" and it make sense in term of shape and and other parameters , but no any detail of how the stamper is produced or it's material. Is it a regular "Vinyl type" of a stamper? a molding process uses a much higher pressure levels than stamping. To my understanding (and I might be wrong) I am not sure if a regular stamper would not hold that much of a pressure. The Molds that I was using in my past needed to be made out of steal. A typical mold (connected to a molding machine) can have an interchangeable cavity(ies). in this case, for the LP molding there would be a dedicated cavity (the equivalent for a Stamper) per each musical project. By The way. The mold can have more than a single cavity so there is a possibility to produce few prints in the same molding process, this would reduce cost by a lot.
A Multiple cavity mold can use different cavities so it would also be possible to mold few projects at same molding process ( it requires a volume and a higher investment in the mold cost.
All the above is with my understanding the molding process as a past user. I am not an expert so I would be very thank full if this issue could be cleared.
Thanks
Are you using 100% injection moulding or maybe or maybe the mould closes till about 0.127mm closed then inject the the full shot then bring the full lock on. To give that extra little compression of the polymer into the grooves ( Injection / compression )
Guido I'm wondering if you can engage Giulio Cesare Ricci or someone like him who's into doing audiophile records and let him judge the product of Harm Theunisse or if he may even let him print some new editions of his records.
It's like asking police to investigate themselves. Ridiculous garbage pile of 'standardization' this is. This is one slippery slope and sad to see this channel adopt such a position.
@spinningmywheels777 as already stated this is a report of an interesting project which seems done correctly and with passion. It seems that you already know what is good and what is not, judge and executioner! I say we need to move on from the technology of the 40’s and possibly enhance the overall experience and maybe this a part of the puzzle or maybe it’s a disaster but it’s worth knowing about
@kappino well, to really get to the bottom of the question we would need a testing lab…
I wonder if this new process eliminates defects commonly heard with vinyl records, like pops, static sounds and other
There is an alternative bio vinyl now that is made the same way as normal records. Furnace in USA have been trialing it.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing that
A very informative video. This new vinyl tech (though it’s not vinyl of course) is better than I thought it was. It seems to have advantages over traditional vinyl in most cases. A couple of questions though…does it sound as good as a mint low production run 180g record? And if kept in storage, does it last as long as vinyl, or degrade quicker?
He claims you play standard LPs 70 times and you get degradation, that's absolutely not true (maybe on a crosley) ! Keep them clean and play them on LIGHT TRACKING good equipment, they shouldn't get damaged at all!😊
@@analoguecity3454 Heck after a few plays depending on many factors a vinyl record can be degraded but they don't define the factors of what caused the wear and tear. Ridiculous rhetoric in the video to state figures without the basis - and Styrene I've seen get shredded in one play - with a PROPER set up - this process showcased here is a cousin to styrene - but they won't admit it and they are just bracketing around the Green scam 'energy saving' garbage. Boy have we fallen as a civilization.
The claim about sound degradation deserves detailed explanation. I can imagine the testing may be done on test signals and checking against originals in both mediums, but still would be good to know how the test was done between standard vinyl and green vinyl.
I can say it sounds just as good…duration in time? Gonna have to just wait and see…
Good video!
Great video, well done👍
As a plastics engineer, parts and mold designer I am curious how the molds are designed. Due to the potential for pressure drops across the lp it must be a single hot drop at the center of the disc and the injection rate must be very fast and there still must be a compression phase via a moving die plate, or plates, to minimize the aforementioned pressure drops and subsequent molded in stresses of the disc causing them to warp. Also, cost per disc is a potential concern simply because injection molding machines are significantly more expensive, and more expensive to maintain, than compression molders. Drying time and temperatures for PVC is typically lower. Energy use takes a hit here. Every time I hear Harm use the word precise I see $$$ flash through my brain. I could go on but would am curious to watch the molding process.
With the introduction of DVD, injection/compression moulders were used. This gives a small compression stroke after the injection for the reasons you mentioned
Hey Guido, very interesting video. A question came up with me has to do with warping. Many new vinyl records come warped or dish-shaped. Does the injection molding process increase or decrease the chance of a record coming out warped? Cheers!
I believe that comes out after pressing (at least in most cases) so any dis will suffer from this
the stamper matters as well
I love the fact you can watch them in a dish washer
Do they still use Ampex's ADD technology in making vinyls?
Can’t wait for the Twin Cavity Mould🤣🤣
Question. Will the album cover tell me that the recording is injection molded?
For now, some do and some don’t
I know the business model depends on the contracts being signed, but when and where can the record buying consumers purchase Green Records from? I’m sure this is going to take off like a rocket ship pretty soon.
Do they know if their records are harder or easier to scratch from bad handling? How do they handle the ultrasonic cleaning machines?
What do you think they are gonna say 'you can't clean them and they scratch easier'??
Probably the same.. density if these type products are nearly the same
Similar compound to PVC. According to harm slightly stronger based on the number of playbacks without degradation
Excellent video, thank you. Watching and listening though, I don't know... it seems to me that once you introduce robots and automation and remove the human, hand made, aspects, the whole mystique and collectability of vinyl kind of goes out the window. One of the reasons I got back into vinyl was the hand made and fascinating aspects of production. Meaning hand made from the microphone in the studio to the record in the shop. Spitting millions out of a big machine, with all the inconveniences of vinyl; if this takes off in a big way I would probably go back to CD.
Why?? CDs capture only 15% of the audio! Vinyl captures it all , just like film does for video! That's why CDs are becoming obsolete!
@@analoguecity3454 Sorry man but that statement isn’t accurate. CDs have a very high audio quality and are a standard for professional audio. At a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz and a bit depth of 16 bits, this is considered by most to be very high fidelity and can accurately reproduce the audio frequencies that are most important for human hearing. Products like SACDs are even higher fidelity.
The perception of a CD capturing only 15% of the original audio is not an accurate reflection of the fidelity of CD audio compared to master tapes. Both digital and analog formats have their own set of limitations and characteristics, but CDs are fully capable of delivering high-quality audio reproduction.
Can’t believe as a vinyl record enthusiast I’m actually defending CDs right now.
To be fair CD's are made through automation - and some vinyl is produced with 'some' automation. - this 'automation' is being pushed on the premise of 'energy saving' the Green New Deal agenda which boils down to a 4 letter word SCAM. The politics is what you should really worry about - they are pushing this dangerous scam HARD to the sleepy sheep consumers of the World.
Yeah, not sure where they pulled that stat from
“the whole mystique and collectability of vinyl kind of goes out the window”….good! It’s about time that kind of nonsense died.
I have been wondering when 3D printed records would become a thing. This is pretty cool tech too. I may have missed it, but shouldn;t this open up the possibility of low number runs for independent musicians? Or, maybe even "On Demand" 1 by 1 records?
the cost will still be there - it's not saving anything and the losses in the industry are huge if they adopt a 'standard' due to this fake green ageneda bull-roar.
Based on what i heard, the steps/process up to making the stampers is the same as existing vinyl so that process will take just as much time/effort/cost.. which means no "on demand" like a 3D printer.
Don’t know, maybe when technology is widespread and optimized
i’m curious myself about how these records affect stylus wear. if he claims they can play 400 times instead of 50 like standard vinyl, i don’t understand how this new formulation is not harder, thus wearing styli down faster?
also, there were a few US banded titles release this year that for some reason had flat edges instead of standard tapered edges. my record cleaner wheels weren’t able to create contact with the record to make it spin, so i had to manually keep my fingers on the wheels to push them in slightly so be able to clean the records, not fun doing that for 15 mins.
i hope there’s a solution for that! not sure about all cleaners but could def be a prob with the humminguru.
What about the stylus wear? And after how many years Will the PET plastic decompose?
It is more rigid but less prone to longevity . Just like styrene.
The fact is that PET, in contrast with PVC is much more recyclable. Stylus wear? Don’t know but if Harm says the compound lasts longer then vinyl then I think the stylus’ life is inversely proportional.
I have the Big Black record done by them, the label is not digital printed. Its a normal label like a pressed record. The records sounds fine but I think the modern pressed versions sound a little better. Its a cool novelty but I prefer pressed records.
Hey bro i am your long term subscriber from India
Now I am making my own cassette albums as it's very hard and very costly to find original in good shape
And i burn audio in cds too
please post a video about how to increase mp3 quality before burning into cd
Awaiting your reply
Thanks but just don’t know! I don’t use MP3…
25:29 they are working for n splatter discs??? What is he saying??
Yes we are trying
Hey Harm
Yes
Very interesting, but your voice is very muddy on this, Guido, difficult to tell what you're saying. At least Harm is clear.
It’s the noise canceling of the program and further noise cancelling on Harm.
@@anadialog Understood! Thanks, Guido.
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Audio in your intro has no high frequencies. Whose microphone? The interviewee sounds better than you do!
FM DJ mic?
sounds like he may have had the switch in the wrong position making it more bass centric. That mic is not a crappy mic but was in the wrong setting?
Yes, it's very muddy, I could hardly tell what Guido is saying. Wrong setting, as SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 suggested?
The mic is a professional studio mic electrovoice the RV20. There was noise coming from the mic of Harm plus the noise suppression of the program killed the rest
Wow, thats better for cool climate in the future, if there are more green vinyl. But 180 grams for an lp is far too much, its wasting materials and absolutely not green. 120 or 140 grams is enough. Nobody should by a 180 grams vinyl.
150g is optimal
Was wondering if laserdisc can be done using this technic? Since that even pure analog made vinyls approach it's end!
The fact is that quality is a cost based factor, and that will never change! Frankly hope this won't take off! (70time a vinyl before degradation??? 1000times is more accurate specially with 1.6-3.0gr)! That's the same bullshit between tube amp and solid state, digital vs analog, electric cars vs analog cars, 3d vinyls vs oldschool etc..! Everything to Reduce! Unfortunately 40 years or more of feedback will confirm if it is an upgrade or a downgrade! greenish s.....!!! A few watts here, some jobs, here, and electric cars 100x times all the pocket economies you've done, not mentioning public space trip, and so on, 800W for gaming/hours! Vinyl making represent nothing behind all of this! However should be interesting for LD, and if it's work could bring back true video content, thing that some people seeking till 2000! (still looking for an analog video consortium...)
Today, when digital music is used everywhere and has unsurpassed quality and unsurpassed capabilities, it is completely stupid to revive expensive and primitive vinyl !
digital music should just be streamed or put on CD I agree - it offers no benefit to put it onto any other format. Analogue recorded music a completely different scenario you bring up a good point it is stupid to put digital forms onto Vinyl or this robot produced garbage..but the market will dictate what people want in the end.
The market will dictate what people want music in high quality and cheap form, in any case, the main thing is not the storage medium, but how the music was recorded and what kind of mastering was done, so many CDs can sound much better than vinyl
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@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 If the stampers where made through an all analog process, then am injected mounded record should still be analog, correct?
@@SimpleMailWork that is the plain facts about what's going on.. the market WILL dictate based on passive income of the consumers. That's one reason they have been pushing the online streaming they forecasted the millenial generation not to have much disposable income and for the most part they were correct.