I m running a i5-8400 (non T) in a EliteDesk 800 G4 mini 35w with a 90w power supply. It works ok, but i m having some doubts that it works at its best. (Turbo Boost is enabled in BIOS) Cinebench R23 gives a 2700pts score where as on my EliteDesk 800 G4 Tower (also i5-8400 non T) gives a score of 5500pst. Do you think that it is possible that the 35w throttles down the CPU ? Also i m hearing some high pitch coil sounds form the CPU ( is guess) when on load. (sounds like an old HDD)
Compare the thermals between the units. I wonder if the 35w is getting too hot. Maybe also try with the cover off to see if it makes a difference. If it works better you might look into getting the vented hood from a 65w unit.
@@handmedowntech Thermals look normal with a max of 70 degrees C. I have tried with and withouth cover and same results. The interesting thing is that my G4 has vented top cover and copper (not aluminium) radiator for the cooler.
The G4 is an interesting one in that there is a difference between the 65w and 35w mobos. The 35w has an extra header for use with the USB c Flexio card. I wonder if HP did anything else to make them unique, like use of CPU. Can you try geekbench on the two units? I found it to be less GPU intensive vs the other benchmark. I can get you the numbers I have for various units and CPUs.
@@handmedowntech here are my scores: GeekBench 6 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1020 | MultiC 4213 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 1003 | MultiC 3555 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1416 | MultiC 2693 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1364 | MultiC 4146 - Turbo Boost ON Cinebench R23 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 731 | MultiC 4115 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 742 | MultiC 4126 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1031 | MultiC 1940 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1034 | MultiC 5491 - Turbo Boost ON * Turbo Boost turned OFF prevents coil whine sound (i did not hear it so far) * also power plan set to "Power Saving" prevent coil whine sound (but maybe then you loose CPU power, i did tests only with High Performance power plan) *G4 Twr has only 8Gb RAM 2400hz as compared to G4 MINI that has 16Gb RAM 2400Mhz, maybe this influences the score a bit *on thing i notice is that there is no fan speed sensor shown (HW Info 64) not even in the G4 Tower. I was curious about fan speed since it felt like it makes louder noise with disabled turbo boost. Conclusion for the MINI: turbo boost ON produce coil whine sound and produce LOWER Multi Core scores. And i would have love it to be the other way around :).
@@handmedowntech GeekBench 6 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1020 | MultiC 4213 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 1003 | MultiC 3555 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1416 | MultiC 2693 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1364 | MultiC 4146 - Turbo Boost ON Cinebench R23 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 731 | MultiC 4115 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 742 | MultiC 4126 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1031 | MultiC 1940 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1034 | MultiC 5491 - Turbo Boost ON *Turb Boost turned OFF prevents coil whine sound, but keeps fan a little bit loud in idle mod *also Power Saving power plan prevent coil whine sound (but maybe then you loose CPU power, i did tests only with High Performance power plan) *G4 Twr has only 8Gb RAM 2400Mhz as compared to G4 MINI that has 16Gb RAM 2400Mhz, maybe this influences the score a bit Conclusion for the MINI: turbo boost ON produce coil whine sound and produce LOWER Multi Core scores. And i would have love it to be the other way around :).
Thanks. Not many days ago I was searching for a second hand non-T i7-7700 to replace my 7700T on G3 prodesk 600 mini. Good to know the searching is not worth anymore.
This came from hp itself both boards are the same that's what they told me it detects the psu and cpu from what I'm told they tell the bios if it's a 35w pc or 65w pc that's what I was told by hp
@handmedowntech That's the issue, then. I tested the 8700K on my G4 mini 65W version. With a 150W adapter, just the CPU at max load drew 95 to 110 watts. As there wasn't sufficient cooling for the CPU, it throttled and gave me a Geekbench multi-core rank of 2K, while others are getting a 5K rank. It's better to stick with a low-end CPU than use larger processors in these mini PCs.
Not sure if I include a picture in the video showing the massive heatsink used for the K processors. Takes up half the unit. Kind of a waste. Like putting a V8 turbo inside if a VW bug, just too much power.
I m running a i5-8400 (non T) in a EliteDesk 800 G4 mini 35w with a 90w power supply.
It works ok, but i m having some doubts that it works at its best.
(Turbo Boost is enabled in BIOS)
Cinebench R23 gives a 2700pts score where as on my EliteDesk 800 G4 Tower (also i5-8400 non T) gives a score of 5500pst.
Do you think that it is possible that the 35w throttles down the CPU ?
Also i m hearing some high pitch coil sounds form the CPU ( is guess) when on load. (sounds like an old HDD)
Compare the thermals between the units. I wonder if the 35w is getting too hot. Maybe also try with the cover off to see if it makes a difference. If it works better you might look into getting the vented hood from a 65w unit.
@@handmedowntech Thermals look normal with a max of 70 degrees C. I have tried with and withouth cover and same results. The interesting thing is that my G4 has vented top cover and copper (not aluminium) radiator for the cooler.
The G4 is an interesting one in that there is a difference between the 65w and 35w mobos. The 35w has an extra header for use with the USB c Flexio card. I wonder if HP did anything else to make them unique, like use of CPU. Can you try geekbench on the two units? I found it to be less GPU intensive vs the other benchmark. I can get you the numbers I have for various units and CPUs.
@@handmedowntech here are my scores:
GeekBench 6
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1020 | MultiC 4213 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 TWR | SingleC 1003 | MultiC 3555 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1416 | MultiC 2693 - Turbo Boost ON
G4 TWR | SingleC 1364 | MultiC 4146 - Turbo Boost ON
Cinebench R23
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 731 | MultiC 4115 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 TWR | SingleC 742 | MultiC 4126 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1031 | MultiC 1940 - Turbo Boost ON
G4 TWR | SingleC 1034 | MultiC 5491 - Turbo Boost ON
* Turbo Boost turned OFF prevents coil whine sound (i did not hear it so far)
* also power plan set to "Power Saving" prevent coil whine sound (but maybe then you loose CPU power, i did tests only with High Performance power plan)
*G4 Twr has only 8Gb RAM 2400hz as compared to G4 MINI that has 16Gb RAM 2400Mhz, maybe this influences the score a bit
*on thing i notice is that there is no fan speed sensor shown (HW Info 64) not even in the G4 Tower. I was curious about fan speed since it felt like it makes louder noise with disabled turbo boost.
Conclusion for the MINI: turbo boost ON produce coil whine sound and produce LOWER Multi Core scores. And i would have love it to be the other way around :).
@@handmedowntech
GeekBench 6
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1020 | MultiC 4213 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 TWR | SingleC 1003 | MultiC 3555 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1416 | MultiC 2693 - Turbo Boost ON
G4 TWR | SingleC 1364 | MultiC 4146 - Turbo Boost ON
Cinebench R23
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 731 | MultiC 4115 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 TWR | SingleC 742 | MultiC 4126 - Turbo Boost OFF
G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1031 | MultiC 1940 - Turbo Boost ON
G4 TWR | SingleC 1034 | MultiC 5491 - Turbo Boost ON
*Turb Boost turned OFF prevents coil whine sound, but keeps fan a little bit loud in idle mod
*also Power Saving power plan prevent coil whine sound (but maybe then you loose CPU power, i did tests only with High Performance power plan)
*G4 Twr has only 8Gb RAM 2400Mhz as compared to G4 MINI that has 16Gb RAM 2400Mhz, maybe this influences the score a bit
Conclusion for the MINI: turbo boost ON produce coil whine sound and produce LOWER Multi Core scores. And i would have love it to be the other way around :).
Thanks. Not many days ago I was searching for a second hand non-T i7-7700 to replace my 7700T on G3 prodesk 600 mini. Good to know the searching is not worth anymore.
I was curious myself after I saw comments about non T in the 600.
This came from hp itself both boards are the same that's what they told me it detects the psu and cpu from what I'm told they tell the bios if it's a 35w pc or 65w pc that's what I was told by hp
It does seem like for the EliteDesk you can use any CPU combo. I have a T CPU in the 65w uni5 for example.
My g5 that I'm going to test came with a fiber nic but that's overkill for me I'm switching it for a USB c option biard
Those fiber NICs are pretty rare. Maybe down the road you'll find a use for it.
try a psu for the usdt model it is 135w
I was debating trying a 150w PSU but it just seemed like good money after bad. Meaning that if a 90w wouldn't work what would a 150w do.
Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
Was hoping that it work
You and me both. I know it's not as fun to watch a video that doesn't have a happy ending.
Word of advice don't put a i7 6700 in a 800 g2 or any g2 or lower mini pc or you'll end up replacing a motherboard.
Interesting, are you speaking from your own misadventure 😜
Yeah...but this time more different suckerpunch style.
Throttlestop is your friend, undervolt and power limit and you can enjoy the single core boost and better multicore than any CPU without undervolt
How to get it?
@tyfp3854 you really don't know that i cannot link stuff here and that you can google stuff?
Are you deleting the comments...🥲
Because i lost mine here.
No, but RUclips itself won't let comments with links in them get saved.
@handmedowntech That's the issue, then.
I tested the 8700K on my G4 mini 65W version. With a 150W adapter, just the CPU at max load drew 95 to 110 watts.
As there wasn't sufficient cooling for the CPU, it throttled and gave me a Geekbench multi-core rank of 2K, while others are getting a 5K rank.
It's better to stick with a low-end CPU than use larger processors in these mini PCs.
Not sure if I include a picture in the video showing the massive heatsink used for the K processors. Takes up half the unit. Kind of a waste. Like putting a V8 turbo inside if a VW bug, just too much power.