HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini Review and Guide
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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In our HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini Project TinyMiniMicro guide, we go into the features of what may be the worst value we got from a unit thus far. We discuss the differences between the lower-end ProDesk 400 G4 Mini series and the ProDesk 405 G4 Min (AMD version), the ProDesk 600 G4 Mini (one step up Intel version), and the EliteDesk 800 G4 (higher-end version.) We even found a hidden DisplayPort in our unit.
Other STH articles mentioned in this video:
- Plex on Project TinyMiniMicro Guide www.servetheho...
- pfSense Firewall on Project TinyMiniMicro Guide www.servetheho...
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My workplace has couple of these computers and every day I walk in I just can’t get over how nice they look. Would be nice to have something low powered like this at home.
Is it still doing well with u sir please?
@@tatadodo3613 I haven’t integrated it into a server quite yet, but as a normal Windows computer it’s quite nice. I would use my own copy of Windows for it though. Some of the drivers that HP forces Windows Update, specifically the audio drivers, were causing performance issues.
Great computer for game streaming services.
I purchased 2 of these units @ $90 each (2022-10-24). Specs are HP ProDesk 400 G4 DM Mini Desktop, i3-8100T 3.1GHz, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, VGA, Dual Display Ports, wireless, Windows 10 Pro. I only plan to hook these up to a TV and run youtube with an adblocker (wireless keyboard & mouse) These HP mini-computers are great for such a purpose. Plenty fast, around 90% PassMark compared to my Xeon x5650 (wow). I want to thank ServeTheHome for these mini-computer comparisons. I watched this video after I purchased the units and when he said bottom 3 on the value I was worried. Then I heard his reasons. Slower USB 3 ports (who cares other than hooking up an external storage unit (something most people will never do anyway ... and why would you really need that speed?), 2 USB 2.0 ports (keyboard and mouse OR printer - again who cares). Hard drive bay that requires you to remove screws (again who cares, how often are you switching out the SSD?) Realtek NIC, okay it's not Intel but most applications expect RealTek NIC's even in the diagnostic world). So you can't upgrade to Windows 11 - when that time comes I'll get an 8th or better mini-computer at a cheap price (only if forced in my application). So don't let this review scare you, at the right price it's an incredible machine).
Hi, I’m confused on how to run 2 monitors of this with extending the display instead of mirroring? do you just plug one monitor into vga & the other into the display port?
Just bought a Prodesk 400 G5 Mini with i5 9500t 8GB Ram and 256 SSD for 29=50 Euros including 19% Tax in Germany, crazy good deal imo. Great video showcasing the products.
if it have HDMI, does it have audio out on it for example if you had a tc/monitor with speakers on so you could listen to music or play youtube and get sound with out using the headset jacks in the front?
@@kvalsvik yes
where can you buy this in Germany?
Patrick, Thank you for discussing the ProDesk & EliteDesk differences. I had been somewhat confused on it- I’m sure there is some good information already available on forums, but I hadn’t looked yet. This is really a great series.
There is a bit more in the STH main site article on page 4 since I struggled with this and thought others may as well.
I picked up a Prodesk 400 G5 with an i5-9500t for $275 and it's been a great little machine for the money. 6 real cores is nothing to sneeze at even if they're power limited. Actually, intel XTU does actually let you extend the turbo time limit on this board, though the end result of that discovering just how wonky HP programmed the fan curve. The fan has so much lag that it let's the CPU hit about 90C before waking up, realizing it needs to do a job, then proceeds to whine its head off. If your load then stops it will continue blowing full tilt for far longer than it needs to as well.
At $275 that is a fairly awesome machine. The i5-9500T is a really nice CPU.
Does your unit has vpro support? According to Intel website I5 9500t shoud have it, but with the realtek nic I am not sure this specific model has it. It depends also on the bios (I have an elitedesk 800 g3 mini with an i7 6700t and there is full vpro support).
I am asking because here in Germany there is a sale this weekend for that prodesk 400 g5 mini with I5 9500t and I am tempted to buy one).
Thanks
@@massimogiussani4493 You are going to want the EliteDesk 800 series if you want vPro. We have a bit more on this on the written part of our review (p. 3 here): www.servethehome.com/hp-prodesk-400-g4-mini-project-tinyminimicro-guide/3/
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for the answer. Let me explain my situation: I have two EliteDesk 800 mini with i7 6700t (so 4 cores, 8 threads) and one Dell Optiplex 7040 micro with a i5 6500t. My plan is to build a Proxmox cluster with three nodes. But today there is an offer for ProDesk 400 G5 (with an i5 9500T, 2 years of warranty, 8GB RAM, 256 GB SSD NVME, and Windows 10 Pro license) that is quite tempting me, and I was thinking I could buy it and resell my Dell. I would do it because of the 9500T cpu (but I probably would lose vpro, and I would downgrade two USB 3 ports to two USB 2 ports, plus downgrading from the intel NIC to the Realtek one). Not sure if it is worth.
I get major Doug DeMuro vibe from the intros of these videos
I have the 800 G4 deployed at my work. My personal one has an i5 8500t, RX 560, Intel i2-19 NIC, 16gigs of ram, and a 150 watt PSU and 256 gig nvme m.2 ssd. They all run great. Biggest issue we’ve seen doing remote learning is not having enough wattage on the USB ports on the 65 watt models.
Very cool! USB 3.2 Gen2 devices tend to use a lot of power. Just ordered the Lenovo M920x with a RX 560 this week.
"Biggest issue we’ve seen doing remote learning is not having enough wattage on the USB ports on the 65 watt models."
Can you please explain this to me? I am not an expert. What do you mean?
If you have high power devices, like external NVMe SSDs, the 65W power brick might not be powerful enough. You can solve that by buying a 90W charger@@igorkovac4640
Beware of other HP surprises too. I recently purchased an Elitedesk 800 G5 which came complete with NVME SSD. Problem was, the system is PCIE version 3 and the supplied NVME drive was PCIE V2. Huge performance drop right there. So don't fret about buying a used one of these systems if it has a spinner drive (By the way, WD Black is the best of these). You should determine what generation the PCIE bus is, and then buy the fastest matching NVME drive. I replaced the HP supplied unit with a Gen3 drive and improved R/W from 1GB/s/700MB/s to 3GB/s/2GB/s.
Do you mean 2x? Or SATA? Pcie 2.0 NVMe isn't really a thing
I know I'm late, but I just bought one of these with an 8100t and 16gb of ram for $60! I was hoping for an 8500t model but I can't be mad for the price I paid. It's such a fun little machine
Great deal!
I have this one with an intel 8700t (6 cores, 12 threads). I love it. The back module came with a VGA connector and I replaced it with an USB-C. It came without wifi/bluetooth so I added an intel 7265, which is weird: windows won't detect the wifi (bluetooth works just fine) and ubuntu won't connect any bluetooth device (wifi works just fine). I'm planning to change it to a 9560NGW just like the one this one has. Just found you, but I already love the mini/micro thingy. Kudos!
It would be really appreciated if you mention DP and HDMI versions, you seem to specify version for every other port. HTPC users care about this quite a bit. Thanks
Great feedback.
I own way too many micro systems now because of this. and I can tell you, the king is the m920q. I love em. Selling all my other ones! My wallet dislikes you guys, but I love you guys.
Ha! We just got the M920x with GPU in.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo nice! I'm gonna try to get 10 gbe working through the PCIe 8X slot on the M920Q
This is what I use for Plex. The i5-8500t is more than enough for direct play and even a couple of transcodes. M.2 NVMe for metadata and an external DAS for storage.
The Core i5-8500T is one of my favorite CPUs for these TMM nodes.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I was about to build a custom PC with a Ryzen CPU and Quadro P2000 for transcoding (I was new to Plex and didn't understand that transcoding wasn't necessary if your videos would direct play on your TV) when I read that Intel's QuickSync on their integrated GPU would handle all of my needs; even the occasional transcode to a phone or tablet.
I’ve been looking at one of these for a small server. Glad you posted this.
I just bought one today for the same purpose
About to pull the trigger on one of these, with an i7-8700T, 8GB of RAM and some spinning rust for about 250 USD. Seems like good value!
Thanks a lot for this video series!
Got it for 200 USD. Hell of a deal!
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Put a 8700T in mine, it can't handle it at all. It shuts down the pc with errors bleeps after it, even if the cpu itself doesnt even get nearly as close to max safe temps. Likely the VRMs on the board of this one just can't handle it.
I got a refurbished one with 128GB M2 storage and 8 GB RAM for 98$.
this series is awesome, i love it! you might also check some SUPERREALLYINCREDIBLY cheap stuff, just to see if it is worth to save a little or if is better to just spend a bit more to get something that is overall much better
That was a big part of doing the Lenovo M900 one which was $160.
I got some Dell Wyse 5020 thin clients for $15 shipped with 4GB DDR3, 16GB SATA DOM, and quad core 1.5GHz Kabini (Jaguar) GX-415GA CPUs. Obviously far less powerful machines but at an insanely low price and they have interesting features like support for ECC RAM apparently. I tested them with HPL/OpenBLAS and got 10.16 GFLOPS which puts them around a Pi 4 in that test. TDP is 15W, I measure ~6W idle and they are fanless. Would be interesting to see what you'd do with them, they should easily handle something like Unifi Controller I would think. I plan to use them to learn about kubernetes.
I'm assuming that you'll address it, bit the EliteDesk 800 G4 has the option to use a full fledged i5-8500 with a perforated lid and visibly more robust heatsink assembly. It's the standard desktop for my workplace currently, with laptops being ZBook 14u/15u and EliteBook X360 1040 G6.
A lot of the newer units also have 65W options. We have started noting that in our reviews but we have been focusing on the 35W units thus far.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo interestingly (and I meant to mention it), our units will not power on without a power supply for at least 90W, it'll give a POST code of 3 long 2 short othetwise. The older, clunkier high wattage (180W/230W) bricks work like a charm so that's nice.
great comparison, greetings from Chile
I'm trying to get my first mini PC for my home storage, home assistant, etc.
You recommend this mini PC? The energy consumption is very high?
Is there a video discussing the different use cases for this type of machine?
Closest we have is the TinyMiniMicro introduction video, but we have done stuff like the pfSense and Plex guides (our Kubernetes cluster one is getting a re-write since it was done on Docker which k8s will be depreciating.) Good idea to do a summary bit.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I'll check those out, thank you. I've been enjoying and learning from your content.
Enjoyed the video! HP should really be paying you for this.
Ha! I do not think these companies are overly happy with me doing these.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo They really should be happy. I feel this is like an Adobe situation; they make a loss on us picking up cheap equipment but when our employers are about to make a purchase, we recommend the vendor we're most familiar with.
The HP naming scheme is absurd. Considering that someone like you who is an IT professional had issues, I would think that HP would take a clue.
It makes sense in the general scheme of things, but it takes some getting used to. Dell's is a bit easier to follow from the get go.
hello i am wondering if you guys can tell me if it is possible to put a dvd in hp prodesk 400 g4 mini that you are talking about in this video. Thanks.
Hi how r you , thank you very much for your videos , i want to ask you i have prodesk 600 g4 , do it can put inside it a good graphic card for run games 3d?
Hir Sir how to remove the display port cover?
I am getting error 901
On same model there is no fan for hdd
Is there a way to bypass pressing enter on each boot.
I bought it for home assistant
But haven't tried since can't figure out this error
Any help or hint is most welcome 😊
Can you compare elitedesk 800 G4 vs mini mac m1, pro cons
can it run pfSense even though it has a realtek NIC (network card)?
Where is the Teespring link?
RUclips integrates it between the video and comments. Ad blockers tend to block it so perhaps that is what you are running into. If you need the link teespring.com/stores/the-sth-merch-shop --- No pressure to buy anything of course, but always appreciated.
I have 400 g4 can i play online games with it?? Like valorant or roblox??
For our lab we need some cheap servers with 2x SFP+ and 1x copper Gbe. We don't require to be able to reach 20 gig, suggestions?
Just the cheapest box you can fit an SFP+ NIC into, I guess.
No teespring link in the description?
We can add it there (teespring.com/stores/the-sth-merch-shop) I think some adblockers remove the native RUclips Teespring integration.
What about the HP Z2 Mini?
I have not found one in this price range just yet. Those tend to be more expensive and higher power systems. We are looking for one though.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo heh, I'm using a promo (free w/ no warranty) Z2 Mini with an i7-6700 and a Quadro P60 (iirc) at my workplace. They won't just let me take it though lol
Hello, I would like you to please help me on a matter of installing an ssd disk and ram memories:
I recently bought 2 CRUCIAL brand ram memories DDR4 Ram Memory 16GB 3200MHz Crucial SO-DIMM, CL22, 1.2V plus a ZADAK ssd hard drive Zadak TWSG3 Solid State Drive, 1TB, PCI-e Gen3x4, M.2, Read 3500Mb /s, Write 3200Mb/s and I would like to know for sure if they are 100% compatible with this pc: hp prodesk 400 g4 mini: i5 8500t - 8va. generation .
Please I appreciate your help to answer as soon as possible. Thank you very much .
I have this thing and its very loud
I recently acquired one of these with the i3 8100T & 8Gb ram (from a friend).
Was thinking of possibly changing the CPU to a 4c/8t but wasn't seeing that would work well for this SFF.
So thinking of either the i5 8600t (6c/6t), i7 8700t (6c/12t) or the i7 9700t (8c/8t).. and advice?
The Core i5-8500T is probably my favorite option in this generation. There is a big caveat. You may be able to sell what you have and get a unit with the CPU you want for not a ton depending on the market when you do it. Sometimes it is cheaper to just sell what you have and buy what you want versus upgrading
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I can literally get the i5 8600t for $30 cheaper than the i5-8500T and the i7 9700t for about $25 more that the 8500t with local offerings near me right now.. and as the pc was free, the CPU change is actually a cheaper/faster option than selling and buying the higher model.. Unless there is more to it than just a simple CPU swap.
Don't think this model can handle 9th gen Intels, not supported by the board. You would need a G5 model. Also, I tried installing a 8700t in mine, the board couldn't handle the load and all and shut down if u stressed it even a bit too much. And not due to too high CPU temps, I tested it and it shuts down even at 75c, must be the board VRMs just not being made to handle it.
Is there any place for a small heatsink for the nvme drive ? Or the HDD cage id really close to the nvme drive ? Thanks!
I ordered one with 8500t/8gb/256gb for 95€. I was looking for an N100 board like asus or asrock but more expensive and less core. I hope i got a good deal
Where did you buy it from?
@@AIEnhanced-ts5ko second-hand for local ads
Can i take the mini pc with me in a airport?
Can i Upgrade the g4 to an i5 9.Generation CPU
No
Just bought this for 70eur.
Sweet
Can you replace the i3-8500T with normal i5-8500 with a 90watt psu?
Physically, it may work. Usually these 1L PC's have different coolers and you see the 35W TDP CPU versions with aluminum coolers and the 65W versions with more copper and possibly heatpipes. Usually it is cheaper to sell the 35W PC and just ebay buy a 65W PC with the CPU you want.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks, I have a spare i5-8400 left and wonder whether I can replace the i3-8100T in the Prodesk 400 G4. Less hassle in case of ebay.
Just bought it for 70 euro
Can you plug in an external gpu for this?
Not easily.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo but how?
@@patrickmarcos9245 using a pci-e to m.2 converter u can use the m.2 nvme slot to hook up one.
Yes, running RX6600 card via m.2 to PCIe adapter. The optional middle back module removed is perfect hole to run cable out of. Clean setup for eGPU.
Can i play fortnite on this
All I heard was PLEASE PLEASE BUY THE SHIRTS... WE SPENT WAAAY TO MUCH MONEY ON THESE
Why are you reviewing these things again? Lather. Rinse. Repeat.