I've used a setup just like this with the exact same adapter and power supply for a few years using an AliExpress mini pc. It served me amazingly well, was incredibly silent and as messy as it seems! :D
@@fractalarbitrage genuinely speaking for triple A gaming, any processor starting from 8th gen intel is alright. Go any lower and you'll have this video's performance results. I have an 8th gen i5 and it works way better, running GTA V on high / very high settings well above 60 fps.
I literally just bought one of these on Monday from ebay. Although mine is coming with the i5-6600. I’ll be using mine for a personal game server. But this video was really cool to see.
Can you explain how exactly would you make this said game server? I mean just using it as machine used for game or more of a server streaming games elsewhere.
I really love your budget focused content! And yes, I know the market for ANYTHING these days has been way overpriced. But folks like you doing their best to look out for the little guy, gives me hope for humanity! A little late, but I want to wish you and yours, a very Happy New Year! o7
As someone with a 1650S in my primary pc, it warms my heart to see this gpu used as the upgrade component. It's a great little card and does what I need it to. I game in 60hz 1080p.
I feel like this is the new old school Linus tech tips channel before he became a big shot. Frankenstein PC content is great to watch. I’ve worked in IT for a long time and use to do stuff like this for fun with old equipment. Thanks for the content.
Recently I brought home a couple of desktops from work, including a HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini. Did some digging online, and with the help of this video, I added a GTX 1650 to the mini computer and added a SATA SSD. Works like a charm, runs GTA V at 60 FPS with a mix of high and very high settings. Really love how the graphics card sits behind the machine. It's definitely worth it to convert & upgrade such an ex-office computer for 2-300 bucks.
Have you tried raising all the graphic settings that exclusively impact the GPU so the GPU usage goes up and the CPU has a bit more room to process all frames? You might get better graphics and less dips (probably not higher performance, but more consistent)
Came to say just that - if the GPU is causing bottlenecking on the CPU then push the GPU harder - sounds counter intuitive, but could give smoother gameplay AND better graphics.
I've gotta say, i picked up an elitedesk mini pc based off your vid ETA, been casually tinkering with it now for about 6 months. I finally have everything working the way I can enjoy it for some high quality couch gaming, however despite you recommending not attaching a GPU to the mini pc, I'm inclined to actually get the m.2/sata adapter and use a 970 to augment the mini pc performance. OOTB, the HP elitedesk mini 800 g2 BARELY runs gamecube games, and only after some lengthy optimization and numerous PCSX2 nightly build updates over a series of months was I able to get PS2 to playback at 60fps, yet many PS2 games still struggle to hit 60 on the 6600T cpu. This is still amazing though, considering my home arcade journey started with comparing prices of tiny SBCs like rpi 3b+ and odroid boards, but ultimately if you can get a mini pc, a cheap older gpu, and the adapter, you're looking at the most cost effective way of playing any console pre-gen 8 on a modern TV.
I was thinking the same thing. You just need space for airflow. Its almost to bad the slot isn't rotated 180 degrees. EDIT: Maybe go out the front of the case..
I have a 65w i7 8700 version of this. Wanting to put it in a bartop arcade cab. This may be a option, uhd 630 is pure crap. Be interesting to see if someone has done a case.
I don't know, it looks kind of cool as it is. A 3d printed stand that improved the stability of the graphics card and made the pc stand vertically might be interesting. I like look of these projects when they have a minimalist approach to enclosures.
Very interesting! Been using basically the same exact mini PC as this except with a Ryzen 5 2400G instead, for low end gaming using the APU. It works pretty well! Never thought to add a GPU, but maybe I will eventually since this video is basically a guide for me lol. Awesome video!!
Cool Idea. The solution: Get a mini PC that packs a bit more beefy CPU. Regarding the the cables running directly under the card. There must a different solution too. Depending on the card, the PSU and NIC cable could melt
The third and 4th gen HP prodesks and elitedesks have an optional port on the back. Removing it (usually it comes with a VGA adapter) allowes you to run the wires for the eGPU through the rear IO of the mini PC
And to be fair, I have been running the cables under the eGPU dock for more than a year now and I havem't noticed any melting paarts or distortion in the cable.
@@geralt7144I'm not sure which VOD you've watched, but during the entire installation process the cable was running under the eGPU dock, not directly under the card. That would be near impossible aswell, considering the length of the cable (25 centimeters) and the PCIE slot length.
You can swap out the cpu on these things to get a little more juice. I think the the 800 mini G2 can go all the way up to the i7 6700t maybe even the non t version. It's not cost effective but then again this really isn't about that.
i’ve done this in reverse building a full enclosure around The Beast adapter running a gtx 1050ti over mini pcie then got a hp elite desk 800 g1 usdt with a i5 4690s got great performance even with the cpu being older intel’s s variant cpu draw 65w and reach similar clock speeds of their non-s counterparts
I literally have about 40-50 of these at wok that I refurbish and sell for $200. I use these for emulation machines all the time lol, good stuff my man
When your dealing with the low power T series especially older gens you need the I7 variants due to them having hyper threading. The I7-6700T has nearly double the performance than the 6500T with less bottlenecks issues. Heck even a 3770T would have less issues. I've built many PCs with the T series CPUs so I've seen this problem with the I3 & I5 T class however the I7 have a longer shelf life.
I was thinking the same thing during this video lol, if only he had an i7. A lot of these newer games are demanding multi-core performance. Everything's a trade-off, sff=low power cpu. Maybe an 8th gen i5 would be able to handle this. But there's always cloud-streaming if you have a good enough connection.
I have the same Mini PC as the one in the video, except mine has the i3-6100t. I called HP to see what the max CPU I could put in was but even they seemed a bit confused about how they can help me. Would I be able to put an i7-7700t in there? Thank you!
@@davem1027 I have a HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini with an 8th gen I5 (8600T). From my experience with the machine so far, it works absolutely great with a GTX 1650, even going as far as being able to play games like GTA on a mixed high & ultra high settings.
800 G2 mini will only work with 6th gen CPU. Highest model would be the i7-6700t if you have the 35w model or the i7-6700 if you have the 65w model. If you get the larger 90w power brick for this machine, you can run the faster non-t variants (6500,6600,6700) which is the way to get the most performance out of this machine.
@@JDMsohc as Mcgill M stated the system works with 6th Gen only. However I would only recommend the I7-6700T at the most, and not upgrading it to a 65W I7-6700. The heatsinks they use are weak (0.5 inch all aluminum) like a "non gaming" laptop so even if you put in a 65W CPU thermal throttling would be a issue as well as a noise issue from the fan ramping up to full blast even for 50% workloads.
I love this little computer! It has became my daily driver. I upgraded it from the 8 GBs of RAM / Core i3 it came with to 32 GBs of RAM / Core i7 Quad. It serves me amazingly well. I do a lot of HDR photo processing in Lightroom and virtualization with it. I switched to this as my daily driver to conserve power because my HP Z820 was drawing massive amounts of power while idling. I was shocked that I could do so much more with it than I thought I could. It's awesome that you can technically add a GPU to it but I am afraid I can't give up the m.2 slot! I need that for extra storage! Awesome video, as usual!
I actually picked these up, I'm working abroad for a year and I needed something so I got the adapter and minipc and hooked up my old GPU. Works great for casual games.
No, the performance lose are the same on both interfaces, because the thunderbold 3 and m.2 slot in this mini pc and cpu with pcie 3.0 lines version, have the same pcie 3.0 x4 bandwidth speed
Thunderbolt is running at 22 Gbps (yes you read that right) Not 40 Gbps as advertised M.2 PCIe Gen 3 is at least 32 Gbps. No speed penalty by any means
@@ClayWheeler I'm sorry, but i try to understand this prot/Speed loss thing. So if i have a 1660 Super, how much % of performence i lost? How can i look it up?
Am I the only one that thinks that 60fps is fine in ANY game!? I don’t understand the problem of “just” having 60fps. I don’t see the difference going higher than that. 60fps, for me, is the way to play. Graphics is not always what makes a game great, at least in my opinion.
I've got an Optiplex with an i5-7500t that I've thought about doing this with if I get a good deal on a graphics card some day. EGPU builds like this are really interesting.
This is a lot of fun and very cool. However it's impractical. The practical solution is to plug that GPU into a cheap Dell tower i5 system. In fact GPUs are so valuable these day that it make sense to hook it up to an overkill CPU just to squeeze all the performance out of the 1650 super.
Yeah I got an i5 4590 with a 1650 and it's pretty decent. Newer AAA titles are usually a no go without scaling down the resolution to an unplayable point, but it's great for emulation and I get 200ish fps in rocket league so it does what I need from it
really nice! unpractical in reality but very interesting to see... Do you know how many Watts can you pull from the m.2 connector? it will be really more confortable to use a 1030 instead of the 1650s if you don't need any extra power... ;)
@@stephensliger4306 gutted, I have one of these laying around I was going to try a 1030, dont think its worth shelling out of the PSU and adapter, you could pickup a cheap used desktop for the same money or less and drop a card straight in.
I’ve been curious about adding a gpu via m.2 on this machine. I have one for my Arcade1Up mod because it was cheap and small. I mostly want to see how well the Windows version of Killer Instinct runs but the cpu does give me some concerns.
I had no problem getting this pair to work with the ADT-Link Graphics m.2 adapter and Dell power brick. Runs the newer games I tried really well! - ASRock AMD Radeon RX 6600 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 Video Card RX6600 CLD & - HP EliteDesk 800 G4 Mini i5-8500T 16GB DDR4
you should take a look at Acer Veriton N N4640G with an i5-6500T, it already has and 1x PCIe x16 slot so you dont need that adaptor, get a low profile old video card that doesnt need power and you are golden... i do batocera emulation on it, or even windows 10 + coinbase or retroarch
I have heard of this mini PC before. I would absolutely love to see companies like HP or Dell create mini PC's with a PCIe x16 slot. It would open up so many opportunities. Question: Did Acer make any newer models of your Veriton with a PCIe x16 slot?
Also you can swap out the CPU in those, unscrew the three T-10 screws and remove the heatsink. It's an LGA-115X socket so you can fit 6th gen to 9th gen CPUs (check PC compatibility). I have an i5-9600 with a GTX 980-ti in mine.
This with the 16GB+ of ram would be perfect for a tiny dedicated game server. I've been trying to find really affordable and especially tiny systems to use as game servers.
There is a rumored ETA Prime effect. Soon as he post a video of a cheap PC, it sells out at eBay really quickly. At least the cheapest versions of that pc sell out fast.
24 fps on a low-end PC is still very much playable, So, all in all you did well, And good job. Thank you for posting this video for all of us to watch it and see you work as well as play your games. Thank you.
A nice upgrade to this mini PC would be the i7-7700t, it seems to be way better than the 6500t having the exact same TDP, idk if would be easy to find one though
The G2 is quite an old machine now. The newer models are way better. The Prodesk 600 G4 (i5-8600T) for example can run GTA 5 at 60 FPS with high/very high settings.
I have a desktop PC with a Ryzen 5 4600G and a GTX 1650, and I installed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 last week. You know, I wanted a laugh. It does however actually run it well, even though MFS is a really heavy "game". I'm getting 30-40 fps at 1080p medium/high (w/ a couple of settings at Ultra), and I've been playing it on my PC this week instead of my Series X. GPU utilization is locked at 95-100%, while the CPU is pretty much relaxing at 30-40%. The 1650 is basically ridiculed in the gaming community, but I think it's incredibly underrated! We're capable of getting some good results out of it without a CPU bottleneck, as we're seeing in this video. The GPU says yes! - but the CPU tells you no no no.
I like the idea of someone coming out with a MiniBlock PC that has 1 slot exposed and can just snap a GPU card into place... Epic setup for playing games. Just have 2 NVM slots and 2 SO-DIMM slots exposed on the bottom and a couple USB3 ports and it's good to go as a real product.
Acer actually had a mini PC with a full PCIe x16 slot on the side of the motherboard which you could attach either an addon graphics card that was specifically designed to esthetically match the system or any other GPU of your own liking. I agree that it's a great idea, however other than that Acer Veriton mini PC (which is already a few years old by now) no-one else has done something like that anymore :(
@@hereis_Tiff Great little PC these Prodesk 600 G4s. Added a fast Gen4 NVME and 32GB RAM upgrade then went to Win11 Pro as a renewed - close to $300 USD myself. Little Powerhouse !
For the real estate it requires, you might as well have a SFF or standard desktop PC without the risk of bumping it and ripping the ribbon cable. I just picked up an Elitedesk 800 G4 to replace the ChromeCast on my 'dumb TV'. It's great for web browsing and watching YT w/o ads and @ 2x speed. Even so, it's a cool idea and proof of concept.
I found that I would have to spend more on a SFF or a full sized PC in comparison to this build. Especially if you can source the mini PC for a low price or for free when clearing an office for example.
Used corporate computers are such a good value because there are so many of them and so few know to look for them they are also highly serviceable to please I.T departments . If anyone wants a used laptop you can get a EliteBook G6 for like $150 even cheaper if you buy one with a trashed screen and just close the lid to use it as a HTPC or emulation box, they also work with GPU enclosures and the same m.2 to PCI in this video
Picked one up after watching this (about $150) and loaded it up with Batocera. No complaints so far! Originally tried Retropie/Ubuntu but couldn't figure out the default audio. Wasn't an issue with Batocera as it has a menu option to select audio devices built right in.
@@mojoosodope I did not do any testing with PS2. I actually JUST modded an old PS2 console last week (cosmic coincidence) and really like having a dedicated console for that. I just shuffled some stuff around..but as soon as I pull the HP back out of storage, I'll load up some of the PS2 ISO's I have and give it a try.
Another idea is external male PCIx expansion slot on the mini pc, which would dock into a PCIx slot on a external Video card enclosure case that has an external PCIx slot "dock" which you can dock the mini PC on(think modular design). This external PCIx slot is wired to an PCIx riser cable into the external Video card enclosure case. This Video card external enclosure should have custom designed and standardized power supply for this enclosure, so that you don't need to connect a standard atx power supply, and there would be no external clutter.
I bought an HP Omen 15 laptop...from a rent-to-own store. Yeah I overpaid a bit but I just paid it off and got it in fall of 2020. It's a Ryzen 7 4800H and GTX1660 Ti. With GPU and component prices...it's still holding pretty much all of it's value. Glad I got it before the insanity.
Ok so Ive thought about doing this for a while after seeing people do it with laptops but dont have the money to wast if it didnt work. Glad to see someone finally try this! You could probably get all this to fit in a itx case with a few mods
I've got a pair of these EliteDesk 800 G2s I got for the same price ETA Prime quoted. I'm tempted to try this "mod" myself and use an idle GTX-1050 just to see what happens. The CPU can be upgraded to an i7-6700 for around $120-ish (eBay prices as of April 2022) which might address some of the performance short-comings of the i5. The TDP is the limit here I wouldn't expect much of an improvement
Not being funny @Mr Prime, but after having to purchase all extra parts including a graphics card, we might as well get a proper Desktop, complete with graphics card etc etc
I play Destiny 2 all the time with this exact mini PC through STEAM. I added another 16 gig ram stick so it has 32 gigs of ram but is otherwise bone stock and it handles it ok.....the extra ram (and custom mostly low settings)helped a ton with low frame rates. I still get the occasional graphical glitches but it's very playable. This would be a huge improvement but the cost is still prohibitive if you dont already have a GPU card to use....like me.
I got one with the i7 6700, 16 Gb ram. I'll try some emulation, but I don't know if it will make such difference from the i5..... Anyway, I am very satisfied of the toy for everything else. Very quiet machine. Got it for about 180 €.
not sure its worth the hassle, might as well spend the 80 bucks on getting a used full desktop so you can mount the card properly, if however if this adapter can be found much cheaper elsewhere it might be worth it.
@@cloudycolacorp I actually have one of these laying around, I just want to turn it into a HTPC that can do 4k output, do you think a GT1030 will work without needed any extra power as I could just pop one in without the extra cost of the second PSU
This is a nice package that I might use for my home lab setup. The dell power supply and the m.2 adapter are a really nice package. From cost and appearance, I plan to add a 1060 6gb gpu to a mini pc with a ryzen 5800H. The goal is to have 1-4 people playing something easy to run like Minecraft over Liam workspaces for self hosted cloud gaming. I kinda have the dream achieved already but after reviewing some documentation and from my own testing, I believe I need to have an nvidia gpu for the best video encoding experience.
can you start testing xemu on these type of emulation machine videos? your channel inspired me to start searching for a mini PC to turn into an emulation machine, and I'd like to get something that I can do solid xbox emulation on. thank you and love your videos!!
I bought this exact system voor retrogaming en movies ect. Was wondering if m.2 was there (saw it yesterday in comments somewhere) but it is. And i wondered indeed for a better graficscart. Not that i really need it. It runs all up to ps3 before getting into troubles. Also its weird. Im playing ridgeracer 7 and was suprised at how smooth it looked. Than replay game crashes 😂 but still it can handle it so i just need to find the right settings. Great review rwally exactly what i needed to know. Good algorithyms yt has 💯 thx again
@@saray8007 Pretty much. If you're lucky you could get a newer generation mini-PC with a 7th or 8th gen processor. Add eGPU and you'll be running games like Fortnite PubG etc like a charm.
im so excited to do this, i just got a 9th gen i5 elite desk with, 8gb ddr4, and no storage for $75! ordering everything this friday, probably gonna go with a 1650 like you did.
Go for it! I have an ith gen i5 prodesk with 16gb ddr4 and 750gb storage, using an external GTX 1650. It really plays games like GTA V smoother with fps well above 60 on average!
Awesome video as always! but like you said this set up is not really worth it specially with how much it ends up costing but it's still entertaining nevertheless.
Genuinely any HP Prodesk or Elitedesk will work fine with a setup like this. They all have the same support for this M.2 to PCIE adapter. I am using a Prodesk 600 G4 Mini, which has an I5-8600T in it. Works very well with the GTX 1650. I would recommend though trying to get one of these mini PC's through work, when your office is gonna replace their computers with new stock.
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If only 'low end' GPU prices weren't so ridiculously high in 2022
I know, it seems to only be getting worse
@@ETAPRIME lets hope for cheap amd 6xxx apu's then.
People love their entertainment
It sucks because right now is the best time to buy a Gpu but it’s already pretty darn high!
This still might be a worthwhile upgrade if you have an old 2gb video card laying around.
I've used a setup just like this with the exact same adapter and power supply for a few years using an AliExpress mini pc. It served me amazingly well, was incredibly silent and as messy as it seems! :D
Doesn't dust get inside the GPU? How do you clean it?
@@divyaakashdutta4038 opening and disassembling GPU Fans & Heatsinks are pretty easy. Even on RTX 3090.
What's your GPU in question?
may i ask which mini pc? i'm looking at getting one maybe a mini forum or a beelink and adding a gpu like this video
@@fractalarbitrage genuinely speaking for triple A gaming, any processor starting from 8th gen intel is alright. Go any lower and you'll have this video's performance results. I have an 8th gen i5 and it works way better, running GTA V on high / very high settings well above 60 fps.
@fractalarbitrage you use Intergrated graphic?
I literally just bought one of these on Monday from ebay. Although mine is coming with the i5-6600. I’ll be using mine for a personal game server. But this video was really cool to see.
Which game?
@@unojojo 7 Days to Die, Ark, The forest, conan maybe. Just for me and my buddies.
@@digitaldonovin1189 can I use this pc for a plex server?
@@xman2k2 100%
Can you explain how exactly would you make this said game server? I mean just using it as machine used for game or more of a server streaming games elsewhere.
I really love your budget focused content! And yes, I know the market for ANYTHING these days has been way overpriced. But folks like you doing their best to look out for the little guy, gives me hope for humanity!
A little late, but I want to wish you and yours, a very Happy New Year! o7
Bruh that thing still manages to be more portable than my school's school-provided ThinkPad 💀😭
My school had Chromebooks and they even came with special cases and slings
As someone with a 1650S in my primary pc, it warms my heart to see this gpu used as the upgrade component. It's a great little card and does what I need it to. I game in 60hz 1080p.
I love this stuff. I'm a min-maxxer, myself, and this kinda thing gives me much entertainment.
WoW! Never thought this can be possible.
Thanks for the video brother
I feel like this is the new old school Linus tech tips channel before he became a big shot. Frankenstein PC content is great to watch. I’ve worked in IT for a long time and use to do stuff like this for fun with old equipment. Thanks for the content.
Recently I brought home a couple of desktops from work, including a HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini. Did some digging online, and with the help of this video, I added a GTX 1650 to the mini computer and added a SATA SSD.
Works like a charm, runs GTA V at 60 FPS with a mix of high and very high settings. Really love how the graphics card sits behind the machine. It's definitely worth it to convert & upgrade such an ex-office computer for 2-300 bucks.
Is your adapter same as mine ie. like this on video?
@@LesFaul I'm using the Dell PSU, same one as in the video.
@@hereis_Tiff The same as I do too…
Have you tried raising all the graphic settings that exclusively impact the GPU so the GPU usage goes up and the CPU has a bit more room to process all frames? You might get better graphics and less dips (probably not higher performance, but more consistent)
Came to say just that - if the GPU is causing bottlenecking on the CPU then push the GPU harder - sounds counter intuitive, but could give smoother gameplay AND better graphics.
Many games today also have fsr including cyberpunk
I've gotta say, i picked up an elitedesk mini pc based off your vid ETA, been casually tinkering with it now for about 6 months. I finally have everything working the way I can enjoy it for some high quality couch gaming, however despite you recommending not attaching a GPU to the mini pc, I'm inclined to actually get the m.2/sata adapter and use a 970 to augment the mini pc performance. OOTB, the HP elitedesk mini 800 g2 BARELY runs gamecube games, and only after some lengthy optimization and numerous PCSX2 nightly build updates over a series of months was I able to get PS2 to playback at 60fps, yet many PS2 games still struggle to hit 60 on the 6600T cpu.
This is still amazing though, considering my home arcade journey started with comparing prices of tiny SBCs like rpi 3b+ and odroid boards, but ultimately if you can get a mini pc, a cheap older gpu, and the adapter, you're looking at the most cost effective way of playing any console pre-gen 8 on a modern TV.
2 things:
1. I'd love to see this same test with the 65w version.
2. Some type of 3d printed case for the GPU that can adhere to the top of the HP?
I was thinking the same thing. You just need space for airflow. Its almost to bad the slot isn't rotated 180 degrees. EDIT: Maybe go out the front of the case..
I have a 65w i7 8700 version of this. Wanting to put it in a bartop arcade cab. This may be a option, uhd 630 is pure crap. Be interesting to see if someone has done a case.
I don't know, it looks kind of cool as it is. A 3d printed stand that improved the stability of the graphics card and made the pc stand vertically might be interesting. I like look of these projects when they have a minimalist approach to enclosures.
Very interesting! Been using basically the same exact mini PC as this except with a Ryzen 5 2400G instead, for low end gaming using the APU. It works pretty well! Never thought to add a GPU, but maybe I will eventually since this video is basically a guide for me lol. Awesome video!!
How did it go bro
If you are willing to flash a new BIOS you could over clock the thing all the way to 4 ghz. The hard part is finding a bios that is unlocked
Can you tell us where to look for?
I have a lenovo thinkcentre m715q with 2400ge cpu
Cool Idea. The solution: Get a mini PC that packs a bit more beefy CPU. Regarding the the cables running directly under the card. There must a different solution too. Depending on the card, the PSU and NIC cable could melt
The third and 4th gen HP prodesks and elitedesks have an optional port on the back. Removing it (usually it comes with a VGA adapter) allowes you to run the wires for the eGPU through the rear IO of the mini PC
And to be fair, I have been running the cables under the eGPU dock for more than a year now and I havem't noticed any melting paarts or distortion in the cable.
@@hereis_Tiff In the video the cables are not running under the adapter. They are sandwiched between the adapter and the GPU.
@@geralt7144I'm not sure which VOD you've watched, but during the entire installation process the cable was running under the eGPU dock, not directly under the card. That would be near impossible aswell, considering the length of the cable (25 centimeters) and the PCIE slot length.
You can swap out the cpu on these things to get a little more juice. I think the the 800 mini G2 can go all the way up to the i7 6700t maybe even the non t version. It's not cost effective but then again this really isn't about that.
Always great seeing what can be done with an ultra small form factor PC. Where there's a will there's a way! Thanks as always ETA.
i’ve done this in reverse building a full enclosure around The Beast adapter running a gtx 1050ti over mini pcie then got a hp elite desk 800 g1 usdt with a i5 4690s got great performance even with the cpu being older intel’s s variant cpu draw 65w and reach similar clock speeds of their non-s counterparts
Even without a dedicated graphics cards it should be pointed out that the HP EliteDesk Mini G2 is a very solid device for gaming as it is.
I have a mini elite desk coming in the mail rn haha I have the egpu adapter dell PSU and a rx 580
I literally have about 40-50 of these at wok that I refurbish and sell for $200. I use these for emulation machines all the time lol, good stuff my man
That's pretty sick. That card is as big as the whole PC!!
When your dealing with the low power T series especially older gens you need the I7 variants due to them having hyper threading. The I7-6700T has nearly double the performance than the 6500T with less bottlenecks issues. Heck even a 3770T would have less issues. I've built many PCs with the T series CPUs so I've seen this problem with the I3 & I5 T class however the I7 have a longer shelf life.
I was thinking the same thing during this video lol, if only he had an i7. A lot of these newer games are demanding multi-core performance.
Everything's a trade-off, sff=low power cpu. Maybe an 8th gen i5 would be able to handle this. But there's always cloud-streaming if you have a good enough connection.
I have the same Mini PC as the one in the video, except mine has the i3-6100t. I called HP to see what the max CPU I could put in was but even they seemed a bit confused about how they can help me. Would I be able to put an i7-7700t in there? Thank you!
@@davem1027 I have a HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini with an 8th gen I5 (8600T). From my experience with the machine so far, it works absolutely great with a GTX 1650, even going as far as being able to play games like GTA on a mixed high & ultra high settings.
800 G2 mini will only work with 6th gen CPU. Highest model would be the i7-6700t if you have the 35w model or the i7-6700 if you have the 65w model.
If you get the larger 90w power brick for this machine, you can run the faster non-t variants (6500,6600,6700) which is the way to get the most performance out of this machine.
@@JDMsohc as Mcgill M stated the system works with 6th Gen only. However I would only recommend the I7-6700T at the most, and not upgrading it to a 65W I7-6700. The heatsinks they use are weak (0.5 inch all aluminum) like a "non gaming" laptop so even if you put in a 65W CPU thermal throttling would be a issue as well as a noise issue from the fan ramping up to full blast even for 50% workloads.
I love this little computer! It has became my daily driver. I upgraded it from the 8 GBs of RAM / Core i3 it came with to 32 GBs of RAM / Core i7 Quad. It serves me amazingly well. I do a lot of HDR photo processing in Lightroom and virtualization with it. I switched to this as my daily driver to conserve power because my HP Z820 was drawing massive amounts of power while idling. I was shocked that I could do so much more with it than I thought I could. It's awesome that you can technically add a GPU to it but I am afraid I can't give up the m.2 slot! I need that for extra storage! Awesome video, as usual!
right, I need M.2 nvme, I can't sacrifice m.2 nvme, is there an external gpu riser that uses the wifi card slot..?
@@jayajoniyarsoRead my reply to your original comment
@@jayajoniyarso Yess, aliexpress
I actually picked these up, I'm working abroad for a year and I needed something so I got the adapter and minipc and hooked up my old GPU. Works great for casual games.
I’ve always wondered, does having it connect to m.2 negate some of the performance lose that would normally occur with a thunder bolt port?
No, the performance lose are the same on both interfaces, because the thunderbold 3 and m.2 slot in this mini pc and cpu with pcie 3.0 lines version, have the same pcie 3.0 x4 bandwidth speed
Thunderbolt is running at 22 Gbps (yes you read that right) Not 40 Gbps as advertised
M.2 PCIe Gen 3 is at least 32 Gbps. No speed penalty by any means
@@ClayWheeler that’s wild
@@ClayWheeler
I'm sorry, but i try to understand this prot/Speed loss thing.
So if i have a 1660 Super, how much % of performence i lost?
How can i look it up?
Am I the only one that thinks that 60fps is fine in ANY game!? I don’t understand the problem of “just” having 60fps. I don’t see the difference going higher than that. 60fps, for me, is the way to play. Graphics is not always what makes a game great, at least in my opinion.
Interwebs: "A low cost gaming PC, but can it run Crisis?"
ETA Prime: "Hold my 🍺"
RDNA2 APUs will really be a Dream Come True.
Love this kind of content
A great idea if the GPU didn't cost 5 times as much as the rest of the PC.
thank you ETA for sharing this experiment
I've got an Optiplex with an i5-7500t that I've thought about doing this with if I get a good deal on a graphics card some day. EGPU builds like this are really interesting.
This is a lot of fun and very cool. However it's impractical. The practical solution is to plug that GPU into a cheap Dell tower i5 system. In fact GPUs are so valuable these day that it make sense to hook it up to an overkill CPU just to squeeze all the performance out of the 1650 super.
Yeah I got an i5 4590 with a 1650 and it's pretty decent. Newer AAA titles are usually a no go without scaling down the resolution to an unplayable point, but it's great for emulation and I get 200ish fps in rocket league so it does what I need from it
@@ChodyRay I have an i5 4670 with a 1650 super, and it's okay but it bottlenecks for sure
I LVE THESE WEIRD SETUP VIDS. They are awesome.
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That's an epic stunt fail XD
really nice! unpractical in reality but very interesting to see...
Do you know how many Watts can you pull from the m.2 connector? it will be really more confortable to use a 1030 instead of the 1650s if you don't need any extra power... ;)
Nah, wouldn’t work, m.2 doesn’t put nearly as much power as a regular Pcie :(
@@stephensliger4306 gutted, I have one of these laying around I was going to try a 1030, dont think its worth shelling out of the PSU and adapter, you could pickup a cheap used desktop for the same money or less and drop a card straight in.
For GPU power you absolutely need that Dell PSU or a standard PSU.
I’ve been curious about adding a gpu via m.2 on this machine. I have one for my Arcade1Up mod because it was cheap and small. I mostly want to see how well the Windows version of Killer Instinct runs but the cpu does give me some concerns.
Awesome build bro 👍🏻
I had no problem getting this pair to work with the ADT-Link Graphics m.2 adapter and Dell power brick. Runs the newer games I tried really well!
- ASRock AMD Radeon RX 6600 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 Video Card RX6600 CLD
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- HP EliteDesk 800 G4 Mini i5-8500T 16GB DDR4
The g4 has an extra m.2?
Nice video.
Even with budget gamers, Ingenuity always finds a way.
you should take a look at Acer Veriton N N4640G with an i5-6500T, it already has and 1x PCIe x16 slot so you dont need that adaptor, get a low profile old video card that doesnt need power and you are golden... i do batocera emulation on it, or even windows 10 + coinbase or retroarch
I have heard of this mini PC before. I would absolutely love to see companies like HP or Dell create mini PC's with a PCIe x16 slot. It would open up so many opportunities.
Question: Did Acer make any newer models of your Veriton with a PCIe x16 slot?
Also you can swap out the CPU in those, unscrew the three T-10 screws and remove the heatsink. It's an LGA-115X socket so you can fit 6th gen to 9th gen CPUs (check PC compatibility). I have an i5-9600 with a GTX 980-ti in mine.
wow ok, good to know! thanks
Fitting 8th gen+ CPUs would requiring modding the bios, did you get that working on a OEM Mobo?
How did you get the power supply to work ?
This with the 16GB+ of ram would be perfect for a tiny dedicated game server. I've been trying to find really affordable and especially tiny systems to use as game servers.
Game servers don't use gpu, they only use cpu.
What are you trying to mine crypto
@@efeloteishe4675 This miniPC on itself does not have a dGPU in itself though.. So that person may be talking about the machine without an e-GPU
No idea how you're finding these so cheap, it's literally 160-190 on Ebay.
Yeah and almost 200/230 on amazon kinda sad
Yeah, I can't find them for under $300 where I'm at (outside the US)
@@LordManhattan Same here fam, all "cheap" pc here are already refurbished and really bad (And almost expensive as a new one) so it's lame
There is a rumored ETA Prime effect. Soon as he post a video of a cheap PC, it sells out at eBay really quickly. At least the cheapest versions of that pc sell out fast.
24 fps on a low-end PC is still very much playable, So, all in all you did well, And good job. Thank you for posting this video for all of us to watch it and see you work as well as play your games. Thank you.
Very interesting. I have the same mini PC with a i5-6600T. I'll have to check out your emulation video.
A nice upgrade to this mini PC would be the i7-7700t, it seems to be way better than the 6500t having the exact same TDP, idk if would be easy to find one though
It will not work! I7-6700T (Skylake) is max for this particular HP mini PC. I7-7700t is Kaby Lake and will not work on this motherboard.
@@LesFaul ohh idk that, it would be a great upgrade too, right? At least, to handle the 1650 performance?
Thank you for this video. I was just going to buy that same PC and was going to try a setup like this. Guess I'm not now. You saved me.
The G2 is quite an old machine now. The newer models are way better. The Prodesk 600 G4 (i5-8600T) for example can run GTA 5 at 60 FPS with high/very high settings.
I have this exact PC and I found a cheap 1650 to buy so thank you a lot for making this video!
I've got the dell optiplex 7050 micro with a i5 7600 non t with a gtx 970 and over this same adapter and it's a beast
use throttlestop to set unlimited turbo boost on all 4 cores and increase tdp.
You recorded this on my birthday. Very cool build BTW
You need to do a detailed "how to M.2 external gpu''
I have a desktop PC with a Ryzen 5 4600G and a GTX 1650, and I installed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 last week. You know, I wanted a laugh. It does however actually run it well, even though MFS is a really heavy "game". I'm getting 30-40 fps at 1080p medium/high (w/ a couple of settings at Ultra), and I've been playing it on my PC this week instead of my Series X. GPU utilization is locked at 95-100%, while the CPU is pretty much relaxing at 30-40%.
The 1650 is basically ridiculed in the gaming community, but I think it's incredibly underrated! We're capable of getting some good results out of it without a CPU bottleneck, as we're seeing in this video. The GPU says yes! - but the CPU tells you no no no.
“It’s 180 W. I have pulled 230 W out of it”
Not under sustained load, right?
.....Right?
I like the idea of someone coming out with a MiniBlock PC that has 1 slot exposed and can just snap a GPU card into place...
Epic setup for playing games. Just have 2 NVM slots and 2 SO-DIMM slots exposed on the bottom and a couple USB3 ports and it's good to go as a real product.
Acer actually had a mini PC with a full PCIe x16 slot on the side of the motherboard which you could attach either an addon graphics card that was specifically designed to esthetically match the system or any other GPU of your own liking.
I agree that it's a great idea, however other than that Acer Veriton mini PC (which is already a few years old by now) no-one else has done something like that anymore :(
Would love to see a refresh of this video with a newer G4 version with the i5-8500 CPU.
I have a G4 using this setup and it works absolutely fantastic. I managed to get all of it for just under 300 euros.
@@hereis_Tiff Great little PC these Prodesk 600 G4s. Added a fast Gen4 NVME and 32GB RAM upgrade then went to Win11 Pro as a renewed - close to $300 USD myself. Little Powerhouse !
For the real estate it requires, you might as well have a SFF or standard desktop PC without the risk of bumping it and ripping the ribbon cable. I just picked up an Elitedesk 800 G4 to replace the ChromeCast on my 'dumb TV'. It's great for web browsing and watching YT w/o ads and @ 2x speed. Even so, it's a cool idea and proof of concept.
I found that I would have to spend more on a SFF or a full sized PC in comparison to this build. Especially if you can source the mini PC for a low price or for free when clearing an office for example.
Used corporate computers are such a good value because there are so many of them and so few know to look for them they are also highly serviceable to please I.T departments . If anyone wants a used laptop you can get a EliteBook G6 for like $150 even cheaper if you buy one with a trashed screen and just close the lid to use it as a HTPC or emulation box, they also work with GPU enclosures and the same m.2 to PCI in this video
Picked one up after watching this (about $150) and loaded it up with Batocera. No complaints so far! Originally tried Retropie/Ubuntu but couldn't figure out the default audio. Wasn't an issue with Batocera as it has a menu option to select audio devices built right in.
Does it work good with ps2 like he said? I can’t find the original video
@@mojoosodope I did not do any testing with PS2. I actually JUST modded an old PS2 console last week (cosmic coincidence) and really like having a dedicated console for that. I just shuffled some stuff around..but as soon as I pull the HP back out of storage, I'll load up some of the PS2 ISO's I have and give it a try.
Are you using it right out the box?
Another idea is external male PCIx expansion slot on the mini pc, which would dock into a PCIx slot on a external Video card enclosure case that has an external PCIx slot "dock" which you can dock the mini PC on(think modular design). This external PCIx slot is wired to an PCIx riser cable into the external Video card enclosure case. This Video card external enclosure should have custom designed and standardized power supply for this enclosure, so that you don't need to connect a standard atx power supply, and there would be no external clutter.
I bought an HP Omen 15 laptop...from a rent-to-own store. Yeah I overpaid a bit but I just paid it off and got it in fall of 2020. It's a Ryzen 7 4800H and GTX1660 Ti. With GPU and component prices...it's still holding pretty much all of it's value.
Glad I got it before the insanity.
Very nice thanks for doing it :D
These little machines are great for streaming games with Xbox game pass or google stadia. Nice and compact for hiding in a living room with your TV.
this channel is so relaxing sometimes.
Why it crashes with driver for rx 590? How can you find out in advance which video card will not have problems?
Ok so Ive thought about doing this for a while after seeing people do it with laptops but dont have the money to wast if it didnt work. Glad to see someone finally try this! You could probably get all this to fit in a itx case with a few mods
The more I see on this little PC. The more I thinking about getting one.
I've got a pair of these EliteDesk 800 G2s I got for the same price ETA Prime quoted. I'm tempted to try this "mod" myself and use an idle GTX-1050 just to see what happens. The CPU can be upgraded to an i7-6700 for around $120-ish (eBay prices as of April 2022) which might address some of the performance short-comings of the i5. The TDP is the limit here I wouldn't expect much of an improvement
Using it right out the box, was it easy to run GameCube like he said?
That 'T' suffix on the CPU really killed this build
$130? Sheesh
where I live that thing will cost like $300 or over, what a place to live, lol.
Good video, glad I wasn't planning to do more than emulate on mine.
would have loved to see a before & after on this set up!
This little PC would be great for daughters room for her drawing tablet.
Not being funny @Mr Prime, but after having to purchase all extra parts including a graphics card, we might as well get a proper Desktop, complete with graphics card etc etc
That’s why he doesn’t recommend it.
Not really the point.
Bought this bad boy for $110 from an office pullout. Works really well
Yooooo we have the same background. That's awesome.
I play Destiny 2 all the time with this exact mini PC through STEAM. I added another 16 gig ram stick so it has 32 gigs of ram but is otherwise bone stock and it handles it ok.....the extra ram (and custom mostly low settings)helped a ton with low frame rates. I still get the occasional graphical glitches but it's very playable. This would be a huge improvement but the cost is still prohibitive if you dont already have a GPU card to use....like me.
Will be doing this with a i5 6500 and yes will be putting it in a box, Mr. Dust...... More Power LOL Love your content
nice work ETA
amazing channel subscribed because of this video how resourceful way to use a small budget pc for gaming what i was looking for
I got one with the i7 6700, 16 Gb ram. I'll try some emulation, but I don't know if it will make such difference from the i5..... Anyway, I am very satisfied of the toy for everything else. Very quiet machine. Got it for about 180 €.
Thanks! This will definitely help in getting PS3 emulation up and running!
not sure its worth the hassle, might as well spend the 80 bucks on getting a used full desktop so you can mount the card properly, if however if this adapter can be found much cheaper elsewhere it might be worth it.
@@cloudycolacorp I actually have one of these laying around, I just want to turn it into a HTPC that can do 4k output, do you think a GT1030 will work without needed any extra power as I could just pop one in without the extra cost of the second PSU
My phone does PS2. Fairly well, certain games need tweaks, but all my games are playable.
That's is so cool and he really knows his stuff amazing video
It's at the point now where a mini pc with a built in 1060, 1650 and 2060 are a viable option Vs desktop just on price.
This is a nice package that I might use for my home lab setup. The dell power supply and the m.2 adapter are a really nice package. From cost and appearance, I plan to add a 1060 6gb gpu to a mini pc with a ryzen 5800H. The goal is to have 1-4 people playing something easy to run like Minecraft over Liam workspaces for self hosted cloud gaming. I kinda have the dream achieved already but after reviewing some documentation and from my own testing, I believe I need to have an nvidia gpu for the best video encoding experience.
I love this.. I need a pc game system on the go for work travel and this is perfect. I didn't know there was an adapter m.2 for Gpu, thanks
can you start testing xemu on these type of emulation machine videos? your channel inspired me to start searching for a mini PC to turn into an emulation machine, and I'd like to get something that I can do solid xbox emulation on. thank you and love your videos!!
I bought this exact system voor retrogaming en movies ect. Was wondering if m.2 was there (saw it yesterday in comments somewhere) but it is. And i wondered indeed for a better graficscart. Not that i really need it. It runs all up to ps3 before getting into troubles. Also its weird. Im playing ridgeracer 7 and was suprised at how smooth it looked. Than replay game crashes 😂 but still it can handle it so i just need to find the right settings.
Great review rwally exactly what i needed to know. Good algorithyms yt has 💯 thx again
That was very interesting but for what this costs I could almost buy a motherboard, a PSU and a cheap case.
If anyone is looking for this type of computers, you can check your local university surplus sales, they are always selling them.
Are those PC's good for Fortnite?
@@saray8007 Pretty much. If you're lucky you could get a newer generation mini-PC with a 7th or 8th gen processor. Add eGPU and you'll be running games like Fortnite PubG etc like a charm.
This PC's CPU TDP is lower than my Laptop's lol 😂
im so excited to do this, i just got a 9th gen i5 elite desk with, 8gb ddr4, and no storage for $75! ordering everything this friday, probably gonna go with a 1650 like you did.
Go for it! I have an ith gen i5 prodesk with 16gb ddr4 and 750gb storage, using an external GTX 1650. It really plays games like GTA V smoother with fps well above 60 on average!
The person who made that is amazing. Now I can actually play games on that
To me more than 30fps in GTA v is great
wow, crazy. didn't know there are adapters like this xD
Awesome video as always! but like you said this set up is not really worth it specially with how much it ends up costing but it's still entertaining nevertheless.
Can u recommend a few mini PC's like this one that cost a little more but would be worth it performance wise
Genuinely any HP Prodesk or Elitedesk will work fine with a setup like this. They all have the same support for this M.2 to PCIE adapter.
I am using a Prodesk 600 G4 Mini, which has an I5-8600T in it. Works very well with the GTX 1650. I would recommend though trying to get one of these mini PC's through work, when your office is gonna replace their computers with new stock.