You know, the Prodesk/ Elitedesk G4 Mini and newer models are capable of running triple A games at high settings using an external GPU. It works way better than the older generation Intel and AMD CPU's like the i5-6500T from your previous video.
As the hardware admin for a community college, i can say that the 3400GE does offer a pretty good performance bump as long as the price difference isnt too great. The 2400GE is based on Zen1 and on 16nm, the 3400GE is Zen+ and 12nm, you get better clocks on the CPU and GPU, and you also get a bit more performance per clock on the CPU The up side is that the 3400GE is fully supported by Windows 11, where as the 2400GE is not supported, though it will ruin at least for now.
I have the 3400ge version and I am having trouble getting Batocera to boot from the USB. Once the splash screen shows it then goes to black screen although the system is accessible from SSH I cannot get it to recognise the display. This was on V3.5 I might try an older version and see what happens.
Update for people considering this mini PC: after upgrading my Lenovo m715q (same APU as the HP) with the latest Batocera 38 stable build and some more testing, can confirm PS3 games will run on native resolution, and graphical glitches are mostly gone. But only a few easier-to-run games like Tekken 6 or GoW Collection will be doable, most PS3 games will be too much for this PC. OG Xbox runs fine at native, some games can be upscaled to 2x. GC, Wii, PS2, and Dreamcast will run great upscaled at 1080p, although for others like God of War 2, you will have to go 720p for smoother gameplay. Wii U can be upscaled to 1080p with a few games, but still looks really nice when played on native resolution with the exception being BotW (so far), which is running at 12fps tops even on native and it's just unplayable on this machine. After 6 months with this PC, I can say it is still an excellent emulation box, was totally worth the price I paid (CAD$250, including memory upgrade) and since ETA's review, it had some nice improvements in performance and compatibility. Would recommend this if you are on a very strict budget and can get it for less than US$200 (you will probably have to upgrade memory and storage). Over that price, I would look into a 5800h mini PC that will give you much better performance (4c/8t vs 8c/16t) and expand your PS3, Wii U, and (very possibly) Xbox 360 catalog. Hope this update helps you on your decision, cheers :)
@@mikeblethan Unlikely. The G variant is only slightly stronger than the GE variant, so slight it probably wouldn't up performance for anything higher than 5-10 percent. Certainly not enough to get PS3 and up to be any better than it is here in this video and since everything else that runs great on the GE variant is already at a more than acceptable level the G would not give you much more to look forward to, maybe the ability to boost resolution very slightly without a lag or framerate penalty but that's really it. On top of that, you would NEED the 65W variant of the 705 G5 which does have different internal components and a 65W external power supply.
For those wanting to buy this for a Batocera machine: I've bought the m715q lenovo with the ryzen 2400ge and 16gb ram, and installed Batocera on a 2tb firecuda drive I had. This will play God of War II and Shadow of the Colossus upscaled to 720p at full speed on PSCX2 and they look great. F-zero GX at 1080p at the fire field track is really close to 60fps, but it does have dips at the start (feels like shader caching, mostly). I want to try out a few other games and give it a shot on Wii U and some easier PS3 titles but overall, if you wanna stick to everything up to PS2 running at 1080p and a few harder ones at 720p or native, this is really worth it if you get it for a fair price (mine was CAD$220). The development of these emulators and Batocera came a long way and hats off to all the devs that have been working on those, outstanding job. And thank you ETA Prime for making this review, I'm very happy with the performance this thing is putting out.
A few notes on this PC. I have the 2400G (60 w version). Windows 11 is NOT supported. You can side load it, but it won't have support nor updates from Windows. Amazon is selling the 16Gb version (RAM), and it's coming with the original HP power supply. I got mine for about 160 USD. Came with the 2.5 HD craddle, keyboard and mouse. Runs a little hot for my tastes, but i will be installing a 2T m.2 drive. Overall a great buy.
Would be really cool if we could get an ETA Emulator chart to help rank different CPU's Would be a great reference to see what kind of performance you can get out of something like a new Intel N6005 vs something like a Ryzen 2400GE at a glance. Could even just be a public Google Sheets document
I've always wondered why ETA doesn't include some sort of graphs showing performance vs different systems. The online sheet would be awesome, could call it the Prime Score :) Be cool to see columns showing X game or system and Y or N if it hits 60fps etc.
I picked up one of these last summer when you first reviewed them; 16GiB and 256GiB NVME, no wireless. They are getting cheap these days. It has worked well for me as a low-power PC. I run older Steam games. I did have lock up on boot issues with the amdgpu driver with multiple versions of linux. Turns out the bios had legacy option ROM boot for video. Changed to EFI video ROM and now works fine. Note: there is an option board: L25757-001 that replaces the VGA port for an extra HDMI. Be careful as it is easy to bend the pins over on the main board. I also added a 2.5" SATA drive caddy. These are hard to find and make sure it is for the SFF version of the 705. 16 watts idle and 25W playing video will work well when I go solar in an RV.
These HP Mini machines indeed have a board you can swap out, it's the Flex IO. If you want to, you could add any port you'd want to. Some types even offer USB-C!
You're my hero! I was struggling with this intermittent amdgpu problem, and this did the trick. I wasn't sure what you meant about "bios had legacy option ROM boot for video", but switching my BIOS settings in Advanced > Secure Boot Configuration from "Legacy Support Enable and Secure Boot Disable" to "Legacy Support Disable and Secure Boot Disable" got it working reliably. Thanks for the tip!
@@nicholasscastellano It's really weird to be honest, this exact mini PC won't work properly with Batocera on UEFI but will work with Legacy, meanwhile with Windows & AMD hardware it tends to show issues the other way around.
@@hereis_Tiff Mine is working on UEFI after disabling Secure Boot with the setting described in my previous comment. I'm running the latest BIOS (Q26 Ver. 02.20.00 09/26/2022), updated via the Windows installer sp143193.exe from HP. I applied factory default BIOS settings, set the Secure Boot to the third option, and set a 5 second startup delay to make it easier to get into the BIOS settings menu. All other options are left at factory defaults, Hope that helps!
If you want to do something cool, do what I did. Build a retro arcade machine. You can use the plans from Galactic Arcade that are free and all over the Internet (just Google Galactic Arcade PDF plans). Just add about 1 inches to the bottom of the arcade to accommodate for the PC, so the wiring doesn't get all smashed due to the size of the PC. I also added about 2 inches in width to the button board, because it appeared to be a little small for adult hands. Pretty easy peasy and a very cool project.
What's crazy is not even a decade ago this was unthinkable for me as a kid. I had to have the consoles to be able to play the games I wanted. I also had to buy the games I wanted. I'm so glad I can have every game I wanted as a kid and couldn't afford, for free.
These old school/Classic style ETA videos of prebuilts and mini PCs are the best. It's how you made a loyal follower out of me! Core2Duo boyz holla back
I have to say: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I watched this when it was new. Flash forward, I'm at this store that sells amazon returns for a huge discount. They often just sell the contents of a box for $15 each. I find a box with TWO of these, they sell it to me for $15. Both have i7s, and 1tb SSDs, 32gb ram. I instantly recognized it from this video, so you really helped me out!
@@Druid2212 That's correct, but it's still capable of playing a lot of stuff from my childhood, and at the $15 I got it for I'm willing to suffer the downgrade. I'm still emulating a lot of PS2 games and everything below with no issue.
@@ryancox4689 I actually flashed it to an NVME drive and installed it internally. Works great. There is a Secure Boot setting with dual options that have to both be listed as disabled. I believe it's "Secure Boot Disabled / Legacy Mode Disabled". Batocera won't boot it either are Enabled.
I've been running this model hp 800 g3 mini with 6gen i7, 16gb ram. I did this for my 4 yr old, boot it off usb external hard drive 1tb. He loves this.
Im also using HP 800 6th gen i7 6700T but G2 with 8GB RAM running Batocera off an internal 2TB HDD. Very capable little machine. Its my dedicated Batocera retro console. 👍
Thanks for the video! I would love to see a video exploring upscaling and shader potential of this PC for the easier to run consoles like Genesis and PS1.
This really makes the Atari VCS more of an aesthetic want, even when it's on sale. Can't really justify that purchase after seeing both of these videos. Thank you ETA.
Just bought this exact little system after looking for an orange pi 5. Great video so thankyou for this, I mainly want a gamecube and PSP machine and this looks great.
Great content was always! The only problem with this videos is that instantly the price of this machines you share raises to the double, triple or even more!! Hehehe happy new year to everybody, cheers!!!
this computer goes very well with batocera 36 also installed the switch and works perfectly. practically all systems are fine except the ps3 that hga of slowdowns all the rest is perfect
Thank you for this comment, I was wondering how well it runs with "Yuzu" games, which ones have you tested that perform well and whats your setup? I'm going to make this exact build to run with Batocera 36. Cheers from another video maker hehe
@@jonathanloaiza Hello, with Yuzu I would say that are very good all nintendo games, the other emulator is not very good indeed I would say that it is just bad ! I still have to rehearse, but Yuzu is perfectly playable.
@etaprime the fact that your test game for the GC was Auto Modellista!! *tears* I never see anyone test or talk about this game and it's literal why I dont want to buy handheld emulators or have been against the wall on building something until reasonably priced... love that game, I play it on my series S :D
3400ge with 16gb of ram for ~$200 (or less with the 2400ge) would make an insane steam machine with the new steamOS -very interested if there was any incompatibilities in trying this out.
Same number of cores and only 100-200mhz improvement. Gpu is also the same Vega 11. Ram is also same speed 2933mhz in ddr4. The 3400ge CPU is about 10% faster than the 2400ge.
I believe you did a very similar video a few months ago with one of these (or a slightly different version?) and I jumped on a 16gb RAM version for a tad more. It is exactly what I was hoping to get and runs like a dream for even several games as recent as PS3. I use it for both Steam and Launchbox/BigBox.
Just upgraded mine of the same machine, to 16gb faster memory. Omg. It now flies. Howard's legacy suddenly started precalculating the shadows, and the game now works super, more than 30 FPS with 720p. Amazing... And totally playable. With 8 GB it was only JUST playable ... I think the faster and larger memory has done the trick. Nothing it cannot play!
I have the full tower g400 model. I5-6500 and a LP gt 1030 ddr4 Plays everything except for PS3, Xbox (CPU bottleneck it seems) All PS2 and GameCube games at 1080p-4K, depending on the game.
I agree. However, the used market does allow for more higher end budget builds. You can get very good (mini) PC's or PC parts used for cheap, while their sealed counterparts from the stores are way more expensive.
Yeah, if you dont mind getting a used item you can get very good performance for your money that way, depending on how high you want to emulate and/or upscale.
Really appreciate you re testing old hardware! New drivers and also newer versions of emulators can make games playable when in the past it was out of the question. May I ask, can the RX6400 now play games using Xemu?
Until I realized it's potential I had been thinking I jumped the gun purchasing a Samsung S22 Ultra. I've found it to be one of the best emulation consoles with a simple addition of a type-C hub with charging capability, and an old Xbox controller. I can run straight to the TV and have managed to emulate PS2 up to 8X with 16X anisotropic filtering. If you do happen to see this comment, I would love a video on how to maximize a newer Android phone like the S22 Ultra. I think the topic would land a lot of views.
Honestly, been looking for a cheap solution for an old school emulation/media device for couch play. I know the Shield is basically the gold standard, but I have to consider Nvidia's notorious anti-consumerist stance. 1 update could brick every emulator. This is perfect, as I usually emulate anymore recent stuff on my main PC anyway.
Honestly even the 10th gen intel 1 liter boxes are a damn good value for light gaming. More power hungry and runs hotter but still perfectly valid for this scenario, if you’re on a budget. You can do better for the money but it will always have more compromises.
Do you know if you press F1 and application .you can tweak the applications more and in the app tab you open flatpack config and can install linux app and game. Just type steam and proton comunity build, for steam subscribe to the beta and now you can lunch steamUI (steamOS 3.0) and all you game you downloaded will be on the desktop a new tab appear and it will be steam
This will absolutely play FS2020 as well ~30FPS with tweaked settings. Looks awesome too with FSR. I got this to replace my Shield TV and couldn't be happier. Rigged mine out overkill with 32GB RAM, 256gb SSD, and 1TB NVME.
Fantastic review! You can guide me on a cheap pc similar to this one, with dedicated graphics already integrated, to be able to emulate switch fluidly, thank you very much, I don't miss any video, too bad my budget is very low, if not, I would buy everything you show 😍
I've got a version of the lenovo m75q coming in with a ryzen 5 4650ge. Definitely excited to see what it has to offer with emulation and some lighter steam games. Seeing this makes me think its going to perform nicely with most things I'd be looking to throw at it.
I've been following their prices for a while 150 to 200 usd is still a bit high imo. The lenovos are generally lower priced I've seen the 2200GE and 2400GE for as low as 100 usd. However I think hp is a better option than lenovo though since they don't lock their cpu's like Lenovo does. It at least allows the apu and ram to be reused on any other motherboard if necessary.
Well I have that APU lying around so I put it into my Desk Mini x300w with 32GB of RAM. I have a 512GB NVME SSD with Batocera installed, but I am going to add a 2TB NVME (or a 4TB SATA SSD), and turn it to a powerful HTPC with Steam (for old titles) & Firefox (for streaming) via Flatpak. Then add a Rii RK707 (wireless controller with a qwerty keyboard) for a all in one experience.
How do you display the overlay information (FPS, CPU load etc)? I was not able to find any tools for this in Batocera and in Linux in general. Or you ran them separately on Windows for the demo?
There are 2 possibilities to turn on fps-counter: 1. System Settings, Frontend Developer Options, Show Framerate 2. Game Settings, Per System Advanced Configuration, (System), Decorations, Heads Up Display, Performance the second one only works on the PC version of batocera
Hey there ETA, love your videos! I'm wondering how these 'lil guys work with Switch and PS3 emulation two years on. Maybe a re-visit would be nice to see. Thanks for all your hard work.😆
I bought the 3400ge version and installed botocia as the os and works fine but play sound through the tiny system speaker and not through the display port to tv. Ive tried the setting sound out put setting but no option to change it to tv.
Thanks for replying, ive tried different combination disabling the sound card fully or with just the internal speaker disabled making shore i save and quite out of the bios each time, ive used loads of different combinations in batocera audio output setting making shore i resart batocera each time i change the settings. Made shore the bios and batocera is the latest version. Dont know what else to do. At one point after i setup the ps5 controler i had the cable hooked up to it, and it were buzzing. only to find out it were paying music by pulsing the rumble motors😂
Yeah im done wasting my money on single board computers. Lol the orange pi 5 what a let down they sent me a defective one. 140 down the drain. I'm sticking with pc.
I am having issues with my HP Elitedesk 705 g4 ryzen 5 pro 2400g displayport settings: When using VGA output to a computer monitor it produces 1920x1080, looks great. Now when I use a displayport to hdmi dongle, hdmi into tv it only produces 480 (640x480) results. Then I tested the dongle by going displayport to hdmi dongle to hdmi to vga dongle to vga into the computer monitor I get great 1920x1080 results. If I unplug that dongle setup while the mini pc running and then go displayport to hdmi dongle to hdmi cable into the tv it forces 1080p and the results look great. But....... If I restart the mini pc it then goes back to 480 on the TV. I know it's not the displayport dongle and I shouldn't have to plug the dongle into the computer monitor and unplug to plug it into the TV every time. Anyone with a HP Elitedesk 705 want to chime in. I know this is a thing with these displayports.
Found out while looking for an hdmi for the Flex IO port that you can get descrete GPUs, which is wild because I never noticed this option on the Quickspec docs. Personally I don't think it is worth the update for a numbet of reasons. The fans in these DM form factors are failure prone anyway, and I have some doubts about it's ability to cool properly at high temps anyway. Also, you NEED the variant with the perforated cover for increased ventilation. All that being said, I think this would be a fun upgrade for hardware people, especially if one plans to add some custom cooling.
This computer works perfect with Batocera 37, Switch - Xbox360 - Psvita etc etc is very playable but... an important thing is to install 16 gigabytes of ram for the video card radeon vega 11 that with 8 gigabytes is not good !!
To be fair the Intel versions aren't bad either. Just make sure you have a 7th/ 8th gen or higher Intel CPU. You'll get much better performances with them.
Well I recently updated from an optiplex 3050 with an i5 7500t to a lenovo m75q with ryzen 3400ge (with 90w power supply). I'm still using single channel memory (waiting for second stick of ram to come) so I'm far from getting all the juice from that chip...still it is far ahead of the 7500t due to uhd630 GPU being quite bad compared to Vega 11. If you have to chose and price is the same, do not hesitate: go for AMD chips.
Good experts, a little query, this hp 705 g4 and 8gb of ram, will it be able to move ps3 and switch well? And to make everything go better, on Wiiu and PS2, in batocera or retrobat? Any better machine sff with veega inside or better card inside, in similar price? Thanks to lot🙏
I sadly had one of these a few days ago with a 2400G (not GE) for $170 which is a great price but it was not reliable. Going full screen on anything would disconnect my Bluetooth devices, stutters and for some reason can’t even get the same performance as ETA prime. Art of rally was struggling on 720p low getting juuuuust 30 fps. Emulation? Any cpu hungry shader just stutters and devices all unpaid. I just hope you all have a better experience than I had. 😢
That's the audio cable, there's a tiny speaker mounted at the front of the Mini PC. To be fair the audio is pathetic, I'd recommend getting speakers or headphones.
I have a model like the one in this video (HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini with an i5-8600T) and I added an external 1650 GPU over M.2. It can play triple A games at high settings with great fps results!
You can also add an external GPU over M.2 with an adapter from ADT-Link. It can run triple A games at 1080p high settings without the framerate suffering at all!
@@hectororestes2752 That could be an option aswell. But those mini/ tiny machines don't have any PCIE x16 slots unfortunately. The only way you could add an external gpu is by utilising a PCIE x16 to M.2 adapter
@@udance4ever tbh, not really. I had hoped I could add more dedicated memory to the igpu, but the hp bios is extremely limited with what you can control. As far as RCPS3, I don't use it for anything higher than Wii/PS2. That's primarily all I play.
Dears. Which is better for emulation: 2400G or 2400GE? In passmark 2400G is a bit faster then 3400GE. 2400G - CPU 3.6GHz, GPU Vega 11 1250MHz 3400GE- CPU 3.3GHz, GPU Vega 11 1300MHz Small PC with 2400G is 50% price of 3400GE one. AMD RYZEN 5 2400G (Overclock - YES) vs AMD RYZEN PRO 5 2400G (Overclock - No), all other parameters the same;-)
I always see a "Kodi Media Center" option in the Batocera menu in video's but I have yet to experiment with it. Could you do a video about the possibilities of a system like this when you add Kodi to the mix, with handy/popular plugin's installed? Using Kodi in combination with Batocera's emulation capabilities seems like a really compelling idea to use as an allround HTPC/living room media system. It's already build in, but I have never seen a video that goes puts this usecase to the test.
I would have liked to have seen how it runs using lunchbox or Big box. I was trying to find one around the price range that you mentioned but everything that comes up using your link is over $200 some over $300.
It was actually a great learning lesson using it for a backup now and went ahead recently grabbed a Beelink Ser5 5800h which is perfect for Batoceta looking for a good 1-2 TB SSD and upgrading the RAM as well..
nice, i have a elitedesk 705 G4 DM which packages the ryzen 5 pro 2400G 65W version. its pretty nice but seems to be underperforming a bit. my guess is the slow 16gigs of 2400mhz ram
Yup, make sure you're running 2 rams in dual channel and use it at 2933mhz (That's the max supported by the CPU), that will make a great difference. I'm running RE3 remake without any issues with 2x8gb 3200mhz (Capped to 2933mhz).
There's no GameCube section? It's in the timestamps but it's like part of the video got cut out at the end of the PSP section. How'd it do with GameCube games? I'm assuming well? Would this be a better purchase than a Dell optiplex 3070 i5-9500t in terms of power for emulation, or are they comparable? What about the 705 G5 ryzen 3400ge version?
The CPU is designed to use 35 watts but they only use like 15 to 20 max. If you have the 65 watt version of the CPU it will be higher though. Overall taking the power adapter's wattage should give you a good indication of what those mini PC's use on average.
I work with a ton of these in my job and they all overheat horribly. I would avoid them. There is a reason they are so cheap online. They are loud, throttled and burnt out.
You're wrong there. I have a 4th gen Prodesk Mini and I even added an external GPU to it. No overheating issues whatsoever, noise is barely noticeable either.
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I’ve also seen the 3400ge version of this up on eBay so keep an eye out, it may offer a bit better performance
You know, the Prodesk/ Elitedesk G4 Mini and newer models are capable of running triple A games at high settings using an external GPU. It works way better than the older generation Intel and AMD CPU's like the i5-6500T from your previous video.
How about xenia canary?
Can it stream game pass, or steam os
As the hardware admin for a community college, i can say that the 3400GE does offer a pretty good performance bump as long as the price difference isnt too great.
The 2400GE is based on Zen1 and on 16nm, the 3400GE is Zen+ and 12nm, you get better clocks on the CPU and GPU, and you also get a bit more performance per clock on the CPU
The up side is that the 3400GE is fully supported by Windows 11, where as the 2400GE is not supported, though it will ruin at least for now.
I have the 3400ge version and I am having trouble getting Batocera to boot from the USB. Once the splash screen shows it then goes to black screen although the system is accessible from SSH I cannot get it to recognise the display. This was on V3.5 I might try an older version and see what happens.
Update for people considering this mini PC: after upgrading my Lenovo m715q (same APU as the HP) with the latest Batocera 38 stable build and some more testing, can confirm PS3 games will run on native resolution, and graphical glitches are mostly gone. But only a few easier-to-run games like Tekken 6 or GoW Collection will be doable, most PS3 games will be too much for this PC.
OG Xbox runs fine at native, some games can be upscaled to 2x. GC, Wii, PS2, and Dreamcast will run great upscaled at 1080p, although for others like God of War 2, you will have to go 720p for smoother gameplay. Wii U can be upscaled to 1080p with a few games, but still looks really nice when played on native resolution with the exception being BotW (so far), which is running at 12fps tops even on native and it's just unplayable on this machine.
After 6 months with this PC, I can say it is still an excellent emulation box, was totally worth the price I paid (CAD$250, including memory upgrade) and since ETA's review, it had some nice improvements in performance and compatibility. Would recommend this if you are on a very strict budget and can get it for less than US$200 (you will probably have to upgrade memory and storage). Over that price, I would look into a 5800h mini PC that will give you much better performance (4c/8t vs 8c/16t) and expand your PS3, Wii U, and (very possibly) Xbox 360 catalog.
Hope this update helps you on your decision, cheers :)
Thank you 🙏
Do you think the raisin five pro 3400 G would increase performance much
This Is Gold. Thanks
Thank you!! Much needed info
@@mikeblethan Unlikely. The G variant is only slightly stronger than the GE variant, so slight it probably wouldn't up performance for anything higher than 5-10 percent. Certainly not enough to get PS3 and up to be any better than it is here in this video and since everything else that runs great on the GE variant is already at a more than acceptable level the G would not give you much more to look forward to, maybe the ability to boost resolution very slightly without a lag or framerate penalty but that's really it. On top of that, you would NEED the 65W variant of the 705 G5 which does have different internal components and a 65W external power supply.
these are the videos i miss the most. i love reusing old systems like this so much
For those wanting to buy this for a Batocera machine: I've bought the m715q lenovo with the ryzen 2400ge and 16gb ram, and installed Batocera on a 2tb firecuda drive I had. This will play God of War II and Shadow of the Colossus upscaled to 720p at full speed on PSCX2 and they look great. F-zero GX at 1080p at the fire field track is really close to 60fps, but it does have dips at the start (feels like shader caching, mostly). I want to try out a few other games and give it a shot on Wii U and some easier PS3 titles but overall, if you wanna stick to everything up to PS2 running at 1080p and a few harder ones at 720p or native, this is really worth it if you get it for a fair price (mine was CAD$220).
The development of these emulators and Batocera came a long way and hats off to all the devs that have been working on those, outstanding job. And thank you ETA Prime for making this review, I'm very happy with the performance this thing is putting out.
Totally agree.... Fast 16 GB memory also does the trick too
A few notes on this PC. I have the 2400G (60 w version). Windows 11 is NOT supported. You can side load it, but it won't have support nor updates from Windows. Amazon is selling the 16Gb version (RAM), and it's coming with the original HP power supply. I got mine for about 160 USD. Came with the 2.5 HD craddle, keyboard and mouse. Runs a little hot for my tastes, but i will be installing a 2T m.2 drive. Overall a great buy.
Got a 2200GE recently for 85$. Can’t beat that!
I have the same deal 2200ge for 85$. How is the performance, should I buy it?
Sure can, Just bought the 3400GE for a 100
(A year later though 😂)
@@artifex2.080 not much diff, I bought last year a 2400ge with 16gigs for 100, and also bought another one for 100 in january
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@@artifex2.080 can it handle 4k youtube videos?
Would be really cool if we could get an ETA Emulator chart to help rank different CPU's
Would be a great reference to see what kind of performance you can get out of something like a new Intel N6005 vs something like a Ryzen 2400GE at a glance. Could even just be a public Google Sheets document
+1
Yes, great idea
I've always wondered why ETA doesn't include some sort of graphs showing performance vs different systems. The online sheet would be awesome, could call it the Prime Score :) Be cool to see columns showing X game or system and Y or N if it hits 60fps etc.
Agreed.
Someone did it for Project Farm, so someone is eventually gonna do it for ETA :3
I picked up one of these last summer when you first reviewed them; 16GiB and 256GiB NVME, no wireless. They are getting cheap these days.
It has worked well for me as a low-power PC. I run older Steam games. I did have lock up on boot issues with the amdgpu driver with multiple versions of linux. Turns out the bios had legacy option ROM boot for video. Changed to EFI video ROM and now works fine.
Note: there is an option board: L25757-001 that replaces the VGA port for an extra HDMI. Be careful as it is easy to bend the pins over on the main board.
I also added a 2.5" SATA drive caddy. These are hard to find and make sure it is for the SFF version of the 705.
16 watts idle and 25W playing video will work well when I go solar in an RV.
These HP Mini machines indeed have a board you can swap out, it's the Flex IO. If you want to, you could add any port you'd want to. Some types even offer USB-C!
You're my hero! I was struggling with this intermittent amdgpu problem, and this did the trick. I wasn't sure what you meant about "bios had legacy option ROM boot for video", but switching my BIOS settings in Advanced > Secure Boot Configuration from "Legacy Support Enable and Secure Boot Disable" to "Legacy Support Disable and Secure Boot Disable" got it working reliably. Thanks for the tip!
@@nicholasscastellano It's really weird to be honest, this exact mini PC won't work properly with Batocera on UEFI but will work with Legacy, meanwhile with Windows & AMD hardware it tends to show issues the other way around.
@@hereis_Tiff Mine is working on UEFI after disabling Secure Boot with the setting described in my previous comment. I'm running the latest BIOS (Q26 Ver. 02.20.00 09/26/2022), updated via the Windows installer sp143193.exe from HP. I applied factory default BIOS settings, set the Secure Boot to the third option, and set a 5 second startup delay to make it easier to get into the BIOS settings menu. All other options are left at factory defaults, Hope that helps!
I love seeing more and more performances being squeezed out of older hardware.
If you want to do something cool, do what I did. Build a retro arcade machine. You can use the plans from Galactic Arcade that are free and all over the Internet (just Google Galactic Arcade PDF plans). Just add about 1 inches to the bottom of the arcade to accommodate for the PC, so the wiring doesn't get all smashed due to the size of the PC. I also added about 2 inches in width to the button board, because it appeared to be a little small for adult hands. Pretty easy peasy and a very cool project.
What's crazy is not even a decade ago this was unthinkable for me as a kid. I had to have the consoles to be able to play the games I wanted. I also had to buy the games I wanted.
I'm so glad I can have every game I wanted as a kid and couldn't afford, for free.
I picked up this model with 16gb and the optional SATA caddy for $65 on eBay and it was in pristine condition.
These old school/Classic style ETA videos of prebuilts and mini PCs are the best. It's how you made a loyal follower out of me! Core2Duo boyz holla back
I have to say: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I watched this when it was new. Flash forward, I'm at this store that sells amazon returns for a huge discount. They often just sell the contents of a box for $15 each. I find a box with TWO of these, they sell it to me for $15. Both have i7s, and 1tb SSDs, 32gb ram. I instantly recognized it from this video, so you really helped me out!
That i7 is going to have less gaming performance than the 2400ge in the video.
@@Druid2212 That's correct, but it's still capable of playing a lot of stuff from my childhood, and at the $15 I got it for I'm willing to suffer the downgrade. I'm still emulating a lot of PS2 games and everything below with no issue.
I made one of these into a Batocera machine and it emulates GameCube at 1080p perfectly, and can even handle God of War 2 on PS2 flawlessly.
What resolution did you run God of War 2?
How does it run Yuzu?
Thanks
Did you flash Batocera on a USB drive? If so, would you mind sharing the BIOS settings you changed to boot into Batocera?
@@RogeriusRex I run it at 1280x720. Batocera uses CEMU. It actually runs really well on Batocera v36.
@@ryancox4689 I actually flashed it to an NVME drive and installed it internally. Works great.
There is a Secure Boot setting with dual options that have to both be listed as disabled. I believe it's "Secure Boot Disabled / Legacy Mode Disabled".
Batocera won't boot it either are Enabled.
I ordered one of these on Amazon and got lucky, they sent me one with a normal 2400 with 16GB of ram instead.
Nice. Remind me of the time we ordered a cell phone case and they sent us an entire brand new cell phone a couple years back
I've been running this model hp 800 g3 mini with 6gen i7, 16gb ram. I did this for my 4 yr old, boot it off usb external hard drive 1tb. He loves this.
Im also using HP 800 6th gen i7 6700T but G2 with 8GB RAM running Batocera off an internal 2TB HDD.
Very capable little machine.
Its my dedicated Batocera retro console. 👍
very nice! thanks for the demonstration. i found the same PC for around $80 and up with power adapter, ssd, and ram
Picked one of these up for 60 bucks, i'm pretty excited to throw it behind my TV and play Wiiu and everything below occasionally on it!
Just got mine up & going, thank you for this. so far I'm ecstatic.
Thanks for the video! I would love to see a video exploring upscaling and shader potential of this PC for the easier to run consoles like Genesis and PS1.
Man I paid closer to $200 for this, but that was a year ago... GREAT emulation machine and HTPC :)
This really makes the Atari VCS more of an aesthetic want, even when it's on sale. Can't really justify that purchase after seeing both of these videos. Thank you ETA.
Outstanding work, Prime!
Just bought this exact little system after looking for an orange pi 5. Great video so thankyou for this, I mainly want a gamecube and PSP machine and this looks great.
Great content was always! The only problem with this videos is that instantly the price of this machines you share raises to the double, triple or even more!! Hehehe happy new year to everybody, cheers!!!
Impressive and cheap system running on my favorite gaming OS. Great video! Thanks!
this computer goes very well with batocera 36 also installed the switch and works perfectly. practically all systems are fine except the ps3 that hga of slowdowns all the rest is perfect
Thank you for this comment, I was wondering how well it runs with "Yuzu" games, which ones have you tested that perform well and whats your setup? I'm going to make this exact build to run with Batocera 36. Cheers from another video maker hehe
@@jonathanloaiza Hello, with Yuzu I would say that are very good all nintendo games, the other emulator is not very good indeed I would say that it is just bad ! I still have to rehearse, but Yuzu is perfectly playable.
an important thing is to install 16 gigabytes of ram for the video card radeon vega 11 that with 8 gigabytes is not good !!
@etaprime the fact that your test game for the GC was Auto Modellista!! *tears* I never see anyone test or talk about this game and it's literal why I dont want to buy handheld emulators or have been against the wall on building something until reasonably priced... love that game, I play it on my series S :D
You're on a roll amigo. Another solid, inexpensive little gaming machine (your other was the Anerbicsic whatever RG35XX). Gracias! 😎
3400ge with 16gb of ram for ~$200 (or less with the 2400ge) would make an insane steam machine with the new steamOS -very interested if there was any incompatibilities in trying this out.
Same number of cores and only 100-200mhz improvement. Gpu is also the same Vega 11. Ram is also same speed 2933mhz in ddr4. The 3400ge CPU is about 10% faster than the 2400ge.
I got the 2400G version and using it as a mini steam console and media server. I love it. Get's pretty hot tho.
I believe you did a very similar video a few months ago with one of these (or a slightly different version?) and I jumped on a 16gb RAM version for a tad more. It is exactly what I was hoping to get and runs like a dream for even several games as recent as PS3. I use it for both Steam and Launchbox/BigBox.
Which 16gb Version did you exactly order?
HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini, 16 gb, Ryzen 5 Pro 2400GE. For PS3, I run RPCS3 either standalone or via LaunchBox.
Can you link the video please. I searched on your channel and wasnt able to find. Thanks.
Just upgraded mine of the same machine, to 16gb faster memory. Omg. It now flies. Howard's legacy suddenly started precalculating the shadows, and the game now works super, more than 30 FPS with 720p. Amazing... And totally playable. With 8 GB it was only JUST playable ... I think the faster and larger memory has done the trick. Nothing it cannot play!
It is a Ryzen 5 2400ge, if you were wondering. The fan is on all the time during games, but in windows totally silent.
What speed ram did you use?
Getting close to that 1 million subscribers, almost there 🎉😁👍
I have the full tower g400 model.
I5-6500 and a LP gt 1030 ddr4
Plays everything except for PS3, Xbox (CPU bottleneck it seems)
All PS2 and GameCube games at 1080p-4K, depending on the game.
You can look to upgrade ur cpu to a i7-6700. Gives about a 50% performance boost to the i5-6500. 4 core 8 threads
where do u find the settings (and which ones) do u tweak to upscale PS2 to 4k?
This is great. A traditional x64 architecture CPU definitely seems like the way to go.
I have watched so many of your videos and others. I am going to get this mini pc.
I had one of these systems and it’s really good. yeah, I actually used it and gave it to one of my friends who wanted a small emulation station PC.
Thanks for actually showing real "budget PC" vids with such quality. 650 and up is not budget.
I agree. However, the used market does allow for more higher end budget builds. You can get very good (mini) PC's or PC parts used for cheap, while their sealed counterparts from the stores are way more expensive.
Yeah, if you dont mind getting a used item you can get very good performance for your money that way, depending on how high you want to emulate and/or upscale.
This is great form factor PC for this type of project.
Really appreciate you re testing old hardware! New drivers and also newer versions of emulators can make games playable when in the past it was out of the question.
May I ask, can the RX6400 now play games using Xemu?
Rx6400 should be plenty for Xemu.
Until I realized it's potential I had been thinking I jumped the gun purchasing a Samsung S22 Ultra. I've found it to be one of the best emulation consoles with a simple addition of a type-C hub with charging capability, and an old Xbox controller. I can run straight to the TV and have managed to emulate PS2 up to 8X with 16X anisotropic filtering. If you do happen to see this comment, I would love a video on how to maximize a newer Android phone like the S22 Ultra. I think the topic would land a lot of views.
Look up his video on the s22 when it came out
@@oscarguridi4681 I scrolled his videos for like 10 minutes before I posted that, hoping he had. I must have missed it.
At that price you could build/buy so much more so unless you actually need something that small or portable...
@@stephenxs8354 I mean, I didn't buy my phone for games. I got it because I was having a big spender moment after tax season lol
Great video 👍
Tiny mini micros are nice for clustering experimentation, too.
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
I'd love to see one pre set up for those that aren't tech savvy.
They're called consoles, perfect solution if you're not tech savvy and want to play videogames.
Honestly, been looking for a cheap solution for an old school emulation/media device for couch play. I know the Shield is basically the gold standard, but I have to consider Nvidia's notorious anti-consumerist stance. 1 update could brick every emulator. This is perfect, as I usually emulate anymore recent stuff on my main PC anyway.
I recommend this or something like a Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro for your needs.
Honestly even the 10th gen intel 1 liter boxes are a damn good value for light gaming. More power hungry and runs hotter but still perfectly valid for this scenario, if you’re on a budget. You can do better for the money but it will always have more compromises.
I got PS3 working on this box not all titles but I have Ultra Street Fight 4, Tekken X Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, Marvel vs Capcom 3
8:30 she loses her top for a split second lmaoooo
😳
Just got one from eBay definitely going to do this
I love how that same HP Elitedesk
705 G4 is being sell by 10x the real price here on Brazil.
I guess I'll keep with just GBA emulation on my phone 😂
I bought the Lenovo version of this today with an i5-7400t hopefully goes alright.
It will, that 7400 is actually really great for emulation
Do you know if you press F1 and application .you can tweak the applications more and in the app tab you open flatpack config and can install linux app and game. Just type steam and proton comunity build, for steam subscribe to the beta and now you can lunch steamUI (steamOS 3.0) and all you game you downloaded will be on the desktop a new tab appear and it will be steam
Thanks ! Going to try one
This will absolutely play FS2020 as well ~30FPS with tweaked settings. Looks awesome too with FSR.
I got this to replace my Shield TV and couldn't be happier.
Rigged mine out overkill with 32GB RAM, 256gb SSD, and 1TB NVME.
Fantastic review! You can guide me on a cheap pc similar to this one, with dedicated graphics already integrated, to be able to emulate switch fluidly, thank you very much, I don't miss any video, too bad my budget is very low, if not, I would buy everything you show 😍
I've got a version of the lenovo m75q coming in with a ryzen 5 4650ge. Definitely excited to see what it has to offer with emulation and some lighter steam games. Seeing this makes me think its going to perform nicely with most things I'd be looking to throw at it.
I have this one and this is a way better alternative to my raspberry pi which is super expensive nowadays.
Yep, once you go the mini PC route..(or just PC) Youll never look back 👍
I've been following their prices for a while 150 to 200 usd is still a bit high imo. The lenovos are generally lower priced I've seen the 2200GE and 2400GE for as low as 100 usd. However I think hp is a better option than lenovo though since they don't lock their cpu's like Lenovo does. It at least allows the apu and ram to be reused on any other motherboard if necessary.
Hi! Do you have a guide on how to set up this box the way you have?
Well I have that APU lying around so I put it into my Desk Mini x300w with 32GB of RAM. I have a 512GB NVME SSD with Batocera installed, but I am going to add a 2TB NVME (or a 4TB SATA SSD), and turn it to a powerful HTPC with Steam (for old titles) & Firefox (for streaming) via Flatpak. Then add a Rii RK707 (wireless controller with a qwerty keyboard) for a all in one experience.
How do you display the overlay information (FPS, CPU load etc)? I was not able to find any tools for this in Batocera and in Linux in general. Or you ran them separately on Windows for the demo?
There are 2 possibilities to turn on fps-counter:
1. System Settings, Frontend Developer Options, Show Framerate
2. Game Settings, Per System Advanced Configuration, (System), Decorations, Heads Up Display, Performance
the second one only works on the PC version of batocera
@@JohnWayne0815 what do you mean by "PC version of Batocera" when Batocera is an embedded distro of Linux?
Hey there ETA, love your videos! I'm wondering how these 'lil guys work with Switch and PS3 emulation two years on. Maybe a re-visit would be nice to see. Thanks for all your hard work.😆
I bought the 3400ge version and installed botocia as the os and works fine but play sound through the tiny system speaker and not through the display port to tv. Ive tried the setting sound out put setting but no option to change it to tv.
Have you tried disabling internal soundcard via bios?
Thanks for replying, ive tried different combination disabling the sound card fully or with just the internal speaker disabled making shore i save and quite out of the bios each time, ive used loads of different combinations in batocera audio output setting making shore i resart batocera each time i change the settings. Made shore the bios and batocera is the latest version. Dont know what else to do. At one point after i setup the ps5 controler i had the cable hooked up to it, and it were buzzing. only to find out it were paying music by pulsing the rumble motors😂
first open your mini pc with batocera and after your tv or monitor.
I'm wondering if that motherboard supports newer APU's.
Yeah im done wasting my money on single board computers. Lol the orange pi 5 what a let down they sent me a defective one. 140 down the drain. I'm sticking with pc.
I am having issues with my HP Elitedesk 705 g4 ryzen 5 pro 2400g displayport settings:
When using VGA output to a computer monitor it produces 1920x1080, looks great. Now when I use a displayport to hdmi dongle, hdmi into tv it only produces 480 (640x480) results. Then I tested the dongle by going displayport to hdmi dongle to hdmi to vga dongle to vga into the computer monitor I get great 1920x1080 results. If I unplug that dongle setup while the mini pc running and then go displayport to hdmi dongle to hdmi cable into the tv it forces 1080p and the results look great. But....... If I restart the mini pc it then goes back to 480 on the TV. I know it's not the displayport dongle and I shouldn't have to plug the dongle into the computer monitor and unplug to plug it into the TV every time. Anyone with a HP Elitedesk 705 want to chime in. I know this is a thing with these displayports.
Found out while looking for an hdmi for the Flex IO port that you can get descrete GPUs, which is wild because I never noticed this option on the Quickspec docs. Personally I don't think it is worth the update for a numbet of reasons. The fans in these DM form factors are failure prone anyway, and I have some doubts about it's ability to cool properly at high temps anyway. Also, you NEED the variant with the perforated cover for increased ventilation.
All that being said, I think this would be a fun upgrade for hardware people, especially if one plans to add some custom cooling.
This computer works perfect with Batocera 37, Switch - Xbox360 - Psvita etc etc is very playable but... an important thing is to install 16 gigabytes of ram for the video card radeon vega 11 that with 8 gigabytes is not good !!
great video btw... but i wished you had included gameplay of the metroid prime series...i would have like to know how well it would have performed
I'm literally surrounded by the Intel versions of this machine, was really hoping that's what you were using 😅
To be fair the Intel versions aren't bad either. Just make sure you have a 7th/ 8th gen or higher Intel CPU. You'll get much better performances with them.
He has a video using a Dell optiplex sff with the Intel 7500t and it performed slightly worse than this. It was also an older video though.
Well I recently updated from an optiplex 3050 with an i5 7500t to a lenovo m75q with ryzen 3400ge (with 90w power supply). I'm still using single channel memory (waiting for second stick of ram to come) so I'm far from getting all the juice from that chip...still it is far ahead of the 7500t due to uhd630 GPU being quite bad compared to Vega 11. If you have to chose and price is the same, do not hesitate: go for AMD chips.
Good experts, a little query, this hp 705 g4 and 8gb of ram, will it be able to move ps3 and switch well? And to make everything go better, on Wiiu and PS2, in batocera or retrobat? Any better machine sff with veega inside or better card inside, in similar price?
Thanks to lot🙏
@7:27 : Not a very powerfull chip ? It's the same performances as i7-7700T but with better graphics.
Love this PC, I have an older model with the exact same case, i5 and 16gb of ram. I host my servers on it and use it as a backup machine with Linux
I sadly had one of these a few days ago with a 2400G (not GE) for $170 which is a great price but it was not reliable. Going full screen on anything would disconnect my Bluetooth devices, stutters and for some reason can’t even get the same performance as ETA prime. Art of rally was struggling on 720p low getting juuuuust 30 fps. Emulation? Any cpu hungry shader just stutters and devices all unpaid. I just hope you all have a better experience than I had. 😢
Sounds like you had a low watt power supply. Try going to a 60 or 90 watt power supply.
@@RogeriusRex It was an official HP 90 watt one. There had to be something wrong on that or the computer cause it failed to run 100% on anything.
Maybe your system its overheating, try cleaning the heatsink and changing the thermal paste to a new one if the current one its solidified,
What resolution were you running all these tests at? 4k or 1080p? That's important to know.
Love these videos on the cheap, older sff machines for emulation. Have any great machines to look for around the $300 mark?
Got this for 100 bucks flat for my uncle. Such a good price for what this thing can run
At 9:23 what is the unused slender white connector near the fan?
That's the audio cable, there's a tiny speaker mounted at the front of the Mini PC. To be fair the audio is pathetic, I'd recommend getting speakers or headphones.
How does it do with 16 gigs of ram and some PC titles? This seems like a perfect HTPC!
i have oneit truely is.
I have a model like the one in this video (HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini with an i5-8600T) and I added an external 1650 GPU over M.2. It can play triple A games at high settings with great fps results!
try it with dual ram i have 16gb exact same model and even plays pc games on low settings at 720p. also does great as a htpc with nas.
You can also add an external GPU over M.2 with an adapter from ADT-Link. It can run triple A games at 1080p high settings without the framerate suffering at all!
@@hereis_Tiff lenovo has models that come with discrete gpus
@@hectororestes2752 That could be an option aswell. But those mini/ tiny machines don't have any PCIE x16 slots unfortunately. The only way you could add an external gpu is by utilising a PCIE x16 to M.2 adapter
I bought one of these a couple of years ago. I upgraded the cpu to the 2400g, 16gb of ram, and a 1tb ssd. Its been my go to emulation box ever since.
did 16GB make the difference? do you get better RCPS3 performance?
@@udance4ever tbh, not really. I had hoped I could add more dedicated memory to the igpu, but the hp bios is extremely limited with what you can control. As far as RCPS3, I don't use it for anything higher than Wii/PS2. That's primarily all I play.
@@CrowDaddy1 ah gotcha. are you able to upscale PS2 past 2x?
Can it output 240p and 480i ?
It's crazy that these are cheaper than a Pi4 now and 10x more capable.
Dears. Which is better for emulation: 2400G or 2400GE? In passmark 2400G is a bit faster then 3400GE.
2400G - CPU 3.6GHz, GPU Vega 11 1250MHz
3400GE- CPU 3.3GHz, GPU Vega 11 1300MHz
Small PC with 2400G is 50% price of 3400GE one.
AMD RYZEN 5 2400G (Overclock - YES) vs AMD RYZEN PRO 5 2400G (Overclock - No), all other parameters the same;-)
I always see a "Kodi Media Center" option in the Batocera menu in video's but I have yet to experiment with it. Could you do a video about the possibilities of a system like this when you add Kodi to the mix, with handy/popular plugin's installed?
Using Kodi in combination with Batocera's emulation capabilities seems like a really compelling idea to use as an allround HTPC/living room media system. It's already build in, but I have never seen a video that goes puts this usecase to the test.
I would have liked to have seen how it runs using lunchbox or Big box. I was trying to find one around the price range that you mentioned but everything that comes up using your link is over $200 some over $300.
Seizure Alert at 8:29 everyone for those who have epilepsy
Is it possible to replace the CPU with something like a 5600G?
Doubt it.
I just took on this project but the G1 version... wish me luck ...😆
Good luck !
how did it go? I took the g4 pill
It was actually a great learning lesson using it for a backup now and went ahead recently grabbed a Beelink Ser5 5800h which is perfect for Batoceta looking for a good 1-2 TB SSD and upgrading the RAM as well..
nice, i have a elitedesk 705 G4 DM which packages the ryzen 5 pro 2400G 65W version. its pretty nice but seems to be underperforming a bit. my guess is the slow 16gigs of 2400mhz ram
Yup, make sure you're running 2 rams in dual channel and use it at 2933mhz (That's the max supported by the CPU), that will make a great difference. I'm running RE3 remake without any issues with 2x8gb 3200mhz (Capped to 2933mhz).
What's the difference between this one and the one you reviewed on March 7th of this year? Just RAM amount?
Dec 2024 these are as low as $50 on ebay without HDD or power supply. I actually snagged the HP with power supply and 256 Nvme for $75
How many times is eta gonna pimp 2400ge?
I use a 4 gb ram laptop with linux and it works good upto dream cast and regular games
How is this compared with the APU found in the Atari VCS recently released in terms of emulation power?
There's no GameCube section? It's in the timestamps but it's like part of the video got cut out at the end of the PSP section. How'd it do with GameCube games? I'm assuming well?
Would this be a better purchase than a Dell optiplex 3070 i5-9500t in terms of power for emulation, or are they comparable? What about the 705 G5 ryzen 3400ge version?
Retrobat in Windows. It supports DX11 as well.
It would be Interesting to know the power consumed by these low-cost PCs. those of us who live in countries where the cost of electricity matters.
The CPU is designed to use 35 watts but they only use like 15 to 20 max. If you have the 65 watt version of the CPU it will be higher though. Overall taking the power adapter's wattage should give you a good indication of what those mini PC's use on average.
I work with a ton of these in my job and they all overheat horribly. I would avoid them. There is a reason they are so cheap online. They are loud, throttled and burnt out.
You're wrong there. I have a 4th gen Prodesk Mini and I even added an external GPU to it. No overheating issues whatsoever, noise is barely noticeable either.
@@hereis_Tiff I am talking specifically about the EliteDesk 800 Gx Mini model in the video. Your prodesk mini is a different model and irrelevant.
Hi Eta Prime. I wonder your video output ,when your use this pc whit batocera ?