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  • @TheTastefulThickness
    @TheTastefulThickness 10 месяцев назад +1024

    Turning the wifi slot into a SIM card slot for cellular internet connection is the #1 most amazing modification that no one feels like they should talk about. This is a high end feature only some business class laptops receive.

    • @seawolf7610
      @seawolf7610 10 месяцев назад +6

      What modules would you use for that ?

    • @DMP413
      @DMP413 10 месяцев назад +52

      A SIM card module?

    • @suspiciousstew1169
      @suspiciousstew1169 10 месяцев назад +113

      How the hell have I never heard of this?!?!? That’s probably one of the most convenient features you could put on a laptop today.

    • @OttosTheName
      @OttosTheName 10 месяцев назад +60

      @@suspiciousstew1169 I think it's more common in rugged devices. Stuff that's meant to be used in a quarry, in the field, by surveyors, etc. are more likely to have these. I think. It used to be a big thing in more high end laptops, but now that most people can get a laptop if they want (as the cheap ones are usable), most people work in the city, every coffeeshop has free wifi and every phone can now be used as a hotspot it's far less common. If you're a little bit older I think you're more likely to have heard of it.

    • @MrCodePanda
      @MrCodePanda 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@suspiciousstew1169 Same, that's actually pretty groundbreaking. >.>

  • @iknowdawae893
    @iknowdawae893 10 месяцев назад +358

    the five stages of computer shenanigans
    - what happens if..
    - wait what
    - no way this works-
    - oh.. s#!t...
    - OH F&€K

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад +40

      Exactly. Baha

    • @thisbennyplayz
      @thisbennyplayz 10 месяцев назад +9

      True until it doesn't (Alot in my case.)

    • @nuvotion-live
      @nuvotion-live 10 месяцев назад +2

      I like your background and intro music :)

    • @PancakeSerenade
      @PancakeSerenade 10 месяцев назад

      Yes.

    • @tjh44961
      @tjh44961 10 месяцев назад +13

      You forgot the stage when something actually works the way you want it to -- "Hold my beer." The same stage can occur very, very late at night.

  • @alexlovett1991
    @alexlovett1991 10 месяцев назад +97

    I've used this slot for an additional ethernet port on a hp prodesk mini. I've genuinely considered making a small pcb to split the different functions for different uses.

  • @FCoFix
    @FCoFix 10 месяцев назад +63

    Oh hey. I made that wikipedia E key edit. It used to be that it was written in a way that could make people think m.2 E could be 2x PCIe x1 but that was not the case. It is a mix of 2 of the following list.

    • @azbesthu
      @azbesthu 3 месяца назад +1

      Coral has dual accelerator card for two separate 1x: CORAL G650-06076-01

    • @iXenox
      @iXenox 3 месяца назад +1

      So no SLI on mini PCs? What a bummer...

  • @putraadriansyah8082
    @putraadriansyah8082 10 месяцев назад +131

    If you're going to use a PC PSU as external power supply again in the future, try to make a USB Optocoupler to trigger the green wire so you don't need to jumper the psu with paperclip and don't need to remove it because as soon as the board powered on/off, the optocoupler will also get powered on/off, and also it will trigger the PSU on or off.
    Try a cheap PC817 with some resistor

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад +19

      I’ll have to check that out next time, thanks!

    • @HelipOfficial
      @HelipOfficial 10 месяцев назад +1

      Interesting.......ill check that out too in the future. I never worked on optocouplers before, i heard a lot of it but never understood how it actually works.

    • @putraadriansyah8082
      @putraadriansyah8082 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@HelipOfficial optocouplers is basically a IR LED and a Photodiode in one package. When the photodiode gets ir light, it conducts.

    • @Knaeckebrotsaege
      @Knaeckebrotsaege 9 месяцев назад +3

      or just... a 5 or 12V relay that needs no other components to do the same? KISS principle

    • @putraadriansyah8082
      @putraadriansyah8082 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@Knaeckebrotsaege yes that would be simpler, and will work fine if the user likes the relay click sound at startup.

  • @TheSlyMouse
    @TheSlyMouse 10 месяцев назад +174

    As a $1 member it's worth it easily. It's my kind of tinker heavy computer content.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад +27

      Good to hear! And thanks!

    • @r_owbot
      @r_owbot 10 месяцев назад +4

      I can buy member but I don't have a credit card or online credit card 😭

    • @TheSlyMouse
      @TheSlyMouse 10 месяцев назад +5

      All good, all the videos are still public at the end of the day.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад +8

      @@r_owbot No worries! Thanks for just watching 🙂

  • @stevejr777
    @stevejr777 9 месяцев назад +14

    You need a common ground thats why it worked when you shorted the both grounds. Anytime to use two different power supplies you'll need to do this. It's not going to hurt anything just make it work!

  • @gordslater
    @gordslater 10 месяцев назад +148

    When you run two PSUs, it's best practice to bond the case ground to case ground (assuming both of them have metal cases) ...AS WELL AS... the zero volt rails to each other.
    Keep these seperate - for example, bond the cases with one heavy ground wire. Seperately, bond both 0V rails (black wires, usually) together.
    In your situation here, I assume you#re using a 19V plastic brick PSU and the second PSU is the $5 metal case ATX PSU, so, being unable to bond the PSUs cases because one is plastic, you simply make sure the black wire of the second PSU is very firmly connected to the chassis 0V of the mini PC, usually the metal case is directly connected to the 0V line.
    I've guessing that there was a potential differance ("a voltage" to most people) between the 0V rail on one PSU and the 0V rail on the other PSU. The only thing linking the two 0V rails together was the screening earth braid on the SATA cables, so current was flowing on the SATA screen. This sort of thing can cause all sorts of wierdness. It's not so much about mains safety grouding (to anyone in the US), or "earthing" (in the traditional British English sense - electrical engineers really call that equipotential bonding of exposed metalwork. Nope, it's actually more about making sure that leakage currents or noise voltages don't affect both the devices you are powering AND the PSU regulators themselves. In simple terms: "it's f-ing complicated" :)
    The potential difference can easily occur do to RFI Y-capacitors on the mains input of one or both
    PSUs, as the caps are never perfectly equal value and also have a inherent leakage current.
    This is why you get a "tickle" from the DC power lead on some laptop PSUs.
    For years I've wondered how gamers could get away with running 2 PSUs in the same case to power a huge GPU, in reality, without bonding the 0V rails there coiuld be all sorts of unusual currents flowing across their GPU and through the PCIe (or PCI/AGP/IDE) socket in a similar way
    to the way your SATA lead was trying to equalize the two independetly floating 0V rails.
    For anyone running NAS systems with lots of disks and 2 or more PSUs, it was less of a problem back in the day because each spinning HDD had a nice fat metal case and was screwed directly to the mounting rails in a metal chassis. The HDD 0V rail was internally connected at or near the power connecter on the disk to the metal disk case via the PCB mounting screw pads.
    But recently, as people do this with SSD and their plastic cases, the problem is occuring on 2-PSU DIY NAS boxes too.

    • @trrjecto4459
      @trrjecto4459 10 месяцев назад +2

      Only for my understanding, it will be enough if I connect the PSU case to the ProDesk case? At the PSU a screw at the mounting bracket with a wire and then the attach somewhere at the ProDesk case, like a case screw?

    • @joshuahzg
      @joshuahzg 10 месяцев назад +4

      I didn't understand anything but thanks for the explanation 🎉

    • @gawizard4980
      @gawizard4980 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@joshuahzg essentially, 2 PSU's = share common ground
      the second PSU couldnt share common ground with the HP Mini

    • @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee
      @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee 10 месяцев назад +4

      I am very grateful that you shared this and I stumbled onto this information before I started new server build! Thank you!

    • @user-dz3sq9bf6s
      @user-dz3sq9bf6s 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9eeyou technically don’t have to do that as long you have a powerful power supply having two would waste and you can turn any pc into a server

  • @AliceC993
    @AliceC993 10 месяцев назад +55

    As others have commented here, I would be extremely cautious using multiple power supplies in a situation like this. I've even had issues using external hard drives on test benches if things aren't properly grounded.

  • @screwf4ce1
    @screwf4ce1 10 месяцев назад +1

    Love those septres. I run the S8s and love them. The imaging is insane. Great vid BTW

  • @MichaelThompson94
    @MichaelThompson94 10 месяцев назад +2

    I'm using one of these Coral edge TPUs with Zoneminder on an Intel Nuc, have been for maybe 3 years, and it's brilliant.

  • @Goonit83
    @Goonit83 10 месяцев назад +1

    You’re so chill. I enjoy your content man. 🍻

  • @gustersongusterson4120
    @gustersongusterson4120 10 месяцев назад

    Peter's video was really cool to come across! I appeciate the run though of all these devices, thanks.

  • @therealjamescobb
    @therealjamescobb 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video on the m2.E key slot. It would be a great follow up for a Frigate / Coral TPU follow up and how its worked out.

  • @sparriot
    @sparriot 9 месяцев назад +2

    One crazy venezuelan here converted it to and adapter to connect a graphics card in a atom laptop. Awesome video.

  • @theusuario-pb5xk
    @theusuario-pb5xk 10 месяцев назад +16

    You can also buy a PCI X4 adapter for the wifi port, that allow to install whatever card you want.
    In my case (M710q) i use it to connect a sata card with x6 sata ports
    i found a really cool way to actually power drives directly from the M710q motherboard, so i have x6 3.5 HDD drives connected

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад +2

      That’s a awesome!

    • @kevinmax101
      @kevinmax101 10 месяцев назад +1

      l wonder what wire you were jumping to power up those hdds. Cant possiby be the usb headers right?

    • @Isaac-X113
      @Isaac-X113 10 месяцев назад +1

      True yes but don't think you can combine the 2 separate 1x links into more bandwidth, you only get a 1x link to the 4x device. Not going to slow down most things but there is a chance.

    • @philipjanbaruis7040
      @philipjanbaruis7040 10 месяцев назад

      do you have any youtube video for the setup?

    • @yissnakklives8866
      @yissnakklives8866 4 месяца назад

      There's an expansion card that will give you a full PCIe GPU slot (externally, of course). Lets you run a full sized GPU at PCIe 4X

  • @ikirules
    @ikirules 10 месяцев назад

    thank you to do this demo with these cards! I was searching information about it, specific with the 2.5g because in a future I want to do a homelab with mini/micro pcs, but i was'nt sure if was compatible, but with this video I'm more confident to proceed with my project :D

    • @nassim99345
      @nassim99345 4 месяца назад

      Is the external antenna required for wifi? The wifi card doesn't have signal?

  • @JuxZeil
    @JuxZeil 7 месяцев назад

    It's a NGFF connector pinned for M.2 E-key, and they're usually only 1XPCI-E lane at the bus. Good enough for a STA SSD or WI-Fi +/- BT.

  • @philipjanbaruis7040
    @philipjanbaruis7040 10 месяцев назад

    I have this HP Elitedesk Mini PC. And this content right now is what im looking for. I want to use the m.2 e into some storage adapter, to make "wannabe" NAS..

  • @lilblackduc7312
    @lilblackduc7312 4 месяца назад

    I shared this with someone else smart enough to appreciate your possible 'ground' issue between the cases of the PSU and computer. Thank you...🇺🇸 👍☕

  • @ChrisDaveGG
    @ChrisDaveGG 10 месяцев назад

    how did you know that I was googling this last week, great video as always!

  • @emailkanji
    @emailkanji 10 месяцев назад

    Great info. Thanks!

  • @ghost_of_m403
    @ghost_of_m403 10 месяцев назад

    Cool idea for a video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @elijahvanderburg
    @elijahvanderburg 10 месяцев назад

    great video!! so helpful! ❤

  • @Agret
    @Agret 10 месяцев назад +2

    I was recently working on an HP SFF pc that only had 2 sata ports, one was in use for the DVD drive and one for the internal hard drive. We added a 2.5" SSD to it but there was no extra sata port. I found on Amazon you can get a little adapter that is the same size as a wifi card that has 2x SATA ports on it so I put that in there and connected the DVD drive to the expansion board and put the SSD into the motherboard. Works awesome. The PC is used on Ethernet so didn't need wifi (and the slot actually came empty on this model of SFF PC!)

    • @Luqinity
      @Luqinity 10 месяцев назад

      Hello! I have been researching about this adapter for awhile but just can’t find any feedback on how reliable the adapter and max speed. Since you are using SSD, I was wondering if I could get some feedback. What’s the transfer speed and have there been any issues? Thank you

  • @ich777
    @ich777 10 месяцев назад +9

    Nice video, actually the first one which talks about that not all are equal since manufacturers are building them differently. Good job! 😊
    Btw the Coral TPU driver is also all available for Unraid and the setup process is much easier.

  • @itechline2353
    @itechline2353 7 месяцев назад +1

    very useful thank you 👍👍

  • @PeterMensink01
    @PeterMensink01 10 месяцев назад

    Great idea. Just tried and now have an extra 2.5G Lan on my mini PC running proxmox.

  • @HypotheticallyEthically
    @HypotheticallyEthically 10 месяцев назад +4

    Regarding the Sata card, maybe its hitting the power limit since HWInfo shows only 10 watts max on it, or just a weird compatibility issue, not totally sure myself but I've seen other comments try to suggest some tips. Really awesome to see people trying this stuff because I was really curious on how it would work. Great video as always, and keep doing what you do! I aspire to be like you and try stuff to see if it works.

    • @thebutingtingman8832
      @thebutingtingman8832 8 месяцев назад

      I have tried this in chromebox cn62 but the adapter is flaky, but it recognized the ssd, unfortunately the chromebox had died probably due to incorrect grounding of the psu for sata adapter

  • @aliyuabba4575
    @aliyuabba4575 9 месяцев назад

    That face when everything blacked out was priceless 😂

  • @rawa9891
    @rawa9891 8 месяцев назад

    Good job!
    I found those 2.5 Gb adapters on Amazon, and they work great on the HP mini Proxmox Cluster units!

    • @nassim99345
      @nassim99345 4 месяца назад

      Is the external antenna required for wifi? The wifi card doesn't have signal?

  • @ufukpolat3480
    @ufukpolat3480 9 месяцев назад +2

    Old Apple hardware could utilize a Broadcom h.264 accelerator called crystal hd which used mini PCIe. These expansion slots are really useful even though very few people realize.

  • @brandieboy
    @brandieboy 10 месяцев назад +3

    Whoop whoop. New video in the house!

  • @miketaylor8576
    @miketaylor8576 10 месяцев назад +6

    Great video. Its common to see people never finding true potential of their computers. There are still people who never tried ssd in their computers.

    • @Squidgy55
      @Squidgy55 2 месяца назад

      I remember buying an SLI motherboard with the intention of some day getting a second GPU... I never bought the second GPU, I just upgraded the whole system to a newer gen that made SLI redundant. I still have the board, might be worth a tinker for some retro benchmarking.

  • @Olivia-W
    @Olivia-W 8 месяцев назад +1

    Mini PC + Coral TPU + Debian + Homeassistant + Frigate NVR.
    And cameras.
    AI security camera video analysis for the win.

  • @AJKammerer
    @AJKammerer 2 месяца назад

    Awesome video! Was trying to figure out what to use that slot for on my own HP Elitedesk mini. I think a 2.5gbs network card would be perfect. Thanks!

  • @vicolin6126
    @vicolin6126 7 месяцев назад

    Got a HP 800 G4 mini, a newer model that the one showed in the video. Did and experiment with one of those E-key 2.5 gigabit ethernet cards, great fun. Managed to snag an actual Intel-based card (i225) for pretty cheap and mounted it in the G4. Was a tight fit for the E-key card, then the actual Ethernet port (the dangly end like shown in the video) had to be fastened somehow. I managed to get it securely mounted INSIDE the G4 by first of all insulating the metal on it with electrical tape (important), then I used those plastic-coated metal wires you get from packages (I always save those, good to have) and tied the Ethernet port down. There are multiple holes on the back of the PC where you could fasten such wires.
    The card works great and the port sits flush with the back of the PC.

  • @user-jm8ho2hy8g
    @user-jm8ho2hy8g 10 месяцев назад

    I know Peter, he knows his stuff.
    I am getting a couple usb corals in a week or 2.cant wait

  • @Lilithe
    @Lilithe 6 месяцев назад

    I got one of those super jank M.2 to PCIe 16x adapters and put a video card in it and used it for my TV for a while.

  • @madkvideo
    @madkvideo 9 месяцев назад

    I didn't know about Frigate, thanks!

  • @allezvenga7617
    @allezvenga7617 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks for your sharing

  • @VWonder737
    @VWonder737 2 месяца назад

    Thanks. Working on a 9th gen, ATX with this slot.

  • @michaelseditor
    @michaelseditor 10 месяцев назад +3

    I used my wifi slot to go the cheap eGPU route for my laptop. I even made a video about it! It's pretty old now but gives a good look how I did it.

    • @ipann6693
      @ipann6693 9 месяцев назад +1

      That's so cool!

  • @andrewforrest8346
    @andrewforrest8346 13 дней назад

    I actually just bought a mini pc the other day, was able to find a cheap e key to m key adaptor and it worked with an m.2 nvme ssd. I installed linux mint and was able to boot off the m.2, no issues so far.

  • @erk_0483
    @erk_0483 10 месяцев назад +2

    My HP laptop 14s has a white list, so only special HP wifi cards work in the slot, and whats crazy is that instead of telling me that the card isnt supportet, it just gives me a "defective cooling fan" error and dosent boot until the "unsupportet" wifi card is removed.

  • @knudsen315
    @knudsen315 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think that it is meant that the network plug from the ethernet adapter must be mounted against the back plate from the inside and not through the back plate from the outside as you have tried.

  • @BarneyKB
    @BarneyKB 9 месяцев назад +1

    I used a 2x sata adapter on a jonsbo n2 which as far as I can tell is the only way to get the maximum 5 drives from a modern consumer itx MOBO. Works pretty well!

    • @AndyMitchellUK26
      @AndyMitchellUK26 2 месяца назад

      I'm actually looking at a Jonsbo build and have recently come across a 6 port 2280 M.2 adaptor. Very handy for the ITX boards with 2 NVMe slots as it means you can run an Optane drive on one still for cache.

  • @jarkkoseppanen899
    @jarkkoseppanen899 5 месяцев назад

    2:09 love the steady hands 🤣

  • @jul1440
    @jul1440 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've never heard "SATA" pronounced that way, but I like it.

  • @xyrogenic
    @xyrogenic 10 месяцев назад

    Hey man, been here since 4k subscribers! Love your videos, keep up the good work!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад

      Hey, thanks!

    • @xyrogenic
      @xyrogenic 10 месяцев назад

      @@HardwareHaven Glad you've gotten all of this attention, much deserved haha

  • @whitebeartigtig
    @whitebeartigtig 10 месяцев назад +10

    I had a random 32GB SSD sitting around doing nothing and an unpopulated slot meant for a 4G card. The extra 32GB drive in my laptop is nice to have considering I only have a 250GB NVMe.

    • @peppernickelly
      @peppernickelly 10 месяцев назад +6

      I hope you know that $40 can get you 1tb ssd/nvme nowadays.

    • @Foggy404
      @Foggy404 10 месяцев назад

      Depends on location@@peppernickelly

    • @levii4146
      @levii4146 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@peppernickellyalways nice to reuse old hardware though. Prevent the ewaste pile getting bigger

    • @peppernickelly
      @peppernickelly 10 месяцев назад

      @@levii4146 While this is true, computational functions have changed and will continue to change. I personally work from my PC and/or laptop. So quality, speed, volume, and power efficiency are important factors that allow me to get my job finished in a timely manner.

    • @RadChromeDude
      @RadChromeDude 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@levii4146the 250gb ssd could just be used in an enclosure after upgrading the SSD!

  • @thisbennyplayz
    @thisbennyplayz 10 месяцев назад +2

    You shuld do a dedicated video about the Coral edge TPU and Frigate.

  • @strob5657
    @strob5657 10 месяцев назад

    omg i had this exact idea when i was refurbishing a laptop for a customer yesterday. Thanks this came in a pinch lmao this is great

  • @olstar
    @olstar 10 месяцев назад +6

    3:18 you had us in the first half, not gonna lie...

  • @TurtleWaxed
    @TurtleWaxed 4 месяца назад

    Note to self: If using more than one power source, you may need to add a ground strap between them so they are at the same DC ground reference.

  • @trrjecto4459
    @trrjecto4459 10 месяцев назад

    It will be interesting if on those models where the second m.2 is missing if it's enough to solder one to it, or if it also needs to be flashed.

  • @garrytuohy9267
    @garrytuohy9267 5 месяцев назад

    I was recently looking for something to use the Wi-Fi socket on a Fujitsu FUTRO-S920 and found a M.2 NGFF to PCI-E Adapter Card to accept an NVMe, which is a nice boost to the mSATA that it came with.

  • @ragtop63
    @ragtop63 7 месяцев назад

    Great content. Subscribed.

  • @TheHayruss
    @TheHayruss 2 месяца назад

    you can use a USB to sata power cable to over come the grounding issues.

  • @GiC7
    @GiC7 2 месяца назад

    Thanks

  • @garrytuohy9267
    @garrytuohy9267 5 месяцев назад

    Thanks!

  • @johnrickard8512
    @johnrickard8512 10 месяцев назад +1

    My laptop Prometheus has 4 of these slots. Two half height, two full height. I have installed in them a combo Wifi AC/bluetooth card, a Google Coral, A Sierra Wireless MC7700 4g LTE modem, and some no name 240gb SSD for my OS boot drive. It's an older core perhaps, but it checks out.

    • @johnrickard8512
      @johnrickard8512 10 месяцев назад

      Curiously not all of these slots were created equally. The combo card, for example, will only show its wifi module if plugged into the "Aux" connector but will show both if plugged into the one labeled "wifi". This suggests to me that the former does not have USB connections....which of course isn't a problem for a Google Coral 😁

  • @Jabe_VeX
    @Jabe_VeX 10 месяцев назад +1

    0:17 HH has breached containment

  • @7_of_9
    @7_of_9 3 месяца назад

    Happy that the Thinkpad X1 keeps the sim card slot accessible outside and sd card as well

    • @smorrow
      @smorrow 2 месяца назад

      That's a feature of B keying. I mean, you could do it with other cards, too, but you would need a cable coming off the card to the SIM, instead of breaking those lines out through the slot which is what's happening in B key

  • @milescarter7803
    @milescarter7803 10 месяцев назад

    Lol, that shot of a mPCIe wifi keeps coming back 🤣

  • @henriquehff
    @henriquehff 8 месяцев назад

    13:45 the hdd only got recognized because there is a common ground between the power supply in the HP pc and the external power supply, the only path to join these two grounds together are the sata cables to the hdd, so yeah, you might run into some issues if you don't have a proper grounding between the power supply's

  • @yWoxys
    @yWoxys 10 месяцев назад

    Love your vids!

  • @charleshines2142
    @charleshines2142 10 месяцев назад

    I heard that they used to whitelist like that but don't really any more. I heard HP was one of them that used to do it. I had a more modern HP laptop from the last couple years and upgraded its WiFi myself. I used an AX200NGW and that is even though it wasn't listed as one of the cards that the laptop could have came with if it was a model based off the same motherboard. I just had to get another antenna for it. It only had the cable for one antenna. I just stuck it down somewhere inside the case, it seems asenine to make us mess with the display bezels and do all of that work to get to it. I just made sure to put it where it will not short something. I also taped down the small bit of excess cable but never sharply bent it anywhere. I just needed it to stay in place so it won't move and get pinched when I close it again. I have a new roll of 3M electrical tape for that. The new card worked, none of the computer refusing to boot with it or any of that

  • @onigvd77
    @onigvd77 6 месяцев назад

    I’m fairly certain that the mini PCIe slot can be used to add GPUs to mini machines that have no other PCI slots

  • @markusTegelane
    @markusTegelane 10 месяцев назад +2

    If you have questions about what each slot is for, the best place to look is your motherboard's manual

  • @zajlord2930
    @zajlord2930 10 месяцев назад +1

    for me the coolest thing i found was esim or lte or whatever adapter

  • @jimg.708
    @jimg.708 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks for sharing some interesting ideas. I think the power outage really made it feel like being in a workshop and really experimenting with things that may not work!
    Did you ever come across any converter cards to turn the E Key slot into B or B+M for SATA/NGFF M.2 SSD drives? I wonder if such a thing exists.
    With that M.2 E key SATA controller: I'd be curious to see what kind of crystal disk mark speeds you get using a SATA 2.5 ssd or a regular 3.5 drive w/external power (grounded power brick like for laptops). My guess is not much above 300MB/sec. The 2.5 drives you have definitely won't max it out.
    I'm on the fence about getting anything outside of 2.5Gb ethernet for that slot, since it is only PCIe x1. For PCIe 2.0 you get 2.5Gb/sec each way for I/O, so 5gb max for the x1 slot. Theoretically I think your NAS test maxes out the bus speed for that slot.
    TPU module is probably best use of that slot for the DVR/NVR. Maybe USB 3.x or SATA if a person ran out of ports.
    Is Frigate only for DVR/NVR with cameras? Or can it be used to do HDMI vid capture too, sort of like a personal DVR?

  • @No-mq5lw
    @No-mq5lw 10 месяцев назад +2

    Just a tip: Limine boot loader can help to tie together two completely different operating systems together that want to be the only OS on your system, like Windows and Linux (or FreeBSD).
    Not super plug and play, as there's no default config file and documentation is fairly thin, but it's super doable to glue virtually anything together with Limine (within reason) and have it stick. I've been dual booting with it between different machines and OS for about a year now, and it's been rock solid.

    • @Zellonous
      @Zellonous 10 месяцев назад +1

      When does Linux ever want to be the only os? Windows is the one that throws a temper tantrum. You have to coddle it to even dual boot with another windows.

    • @No-mq5lw
      @No-mq5lw 10 месяцев назад

      @@Zellonous GRUB can feel like that sometimes

    • @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee
      @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@ZellonousReally, Windows just likes to throw temper tantrums. For any reason. But at least it's not as over the top proprietary as MAC'S, even if they are more stable than Windows.
      I really, really miss the speed and simplicity of the ancient IBM OS/2 operating system, even if it was completely insecure. But I don't know if that IBM even tried to make it Y2K compatible. They could have easily dominated the desktop market with it, if they could have gotten out of the mindset of not advertising to consumers. It came out years before Win 95, and was so much better.

    • @Thewaterspirit57
      @Thewaterspirit57 9 месяцев назад +1

      ⁠@@ZellonousWindows doesn’t have a temper tantrum, just that Windows and Linux use entirely different systems, so it’s more like both Argue with each other. Both are at, not just windows. Which just shows you’re another incompetent Linux user :/

    • @SniperAWP
      @SniperAWP 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ZellonousI dualbooted win and Ubuntu and windows had over 20 currupted reg keys and the bootloader was messed up, had to spend 2 hours troubleshooting to get it to boot into windows and after installing drivers on Linux it WOSD'ed. Then I had to uninstall and cry in my bed.

  • @Marg.g187
    @Marg.g187 10 месяцев назад

    i heard you can also hook up full size gpu's with a adapter with it being m.2 is just basically a pcie 4x port

  • @neongenesis2979
    @neongenesis2979 10 месяцев назад +1

    I've used the EXP GDC Beast Video Card Dock on my HP Thin Client t630 to use an external graphics card using the Mini-PCie/NVMe slot. While it's VERY limited, it's 100x better than the onboard graphics. It's interesting to see a low-power 4 core APU boosted by an RTX 3050. XD

  • @boydmcree9085
    @boydmcree9085 2 месяца назад

    laughed out loud, hope it all survived,

  • @FowlerAskew
    @FowlerAskew 10 месяцев назад +2

    Damn, that Wikipedia page about CNVio is better than the Intel page describing it 😂
    I had a hell of a time trying to figure out why my PC wouldn't even power on when I tried to switch from a 9560 to an AX201

  • @Raintiger88
    @Raintiger88 10 месяцев назад +2

    A few months ago, I bought several B, M, A, E , B+M and A+E and maybe B+E key adaptors (they are packed away) for testing on a latte panda delta 3 and one other MB that I just can't recall at the moment. This was a bit of a flashback to some of the headaches I had while attempting this. I'm reasonably certain that many of my problems were related to the BIOS. Not sure if the devices were whitelisted/blocked in the BIOS or how/why an engineer would even go through the trouble to block and/or enable only certain things, but I do recall having issues getting them to work properly. Adding to the frustration was the fact that BIOS (for the most part) is still secret sauce stuff and I just don't know how they limit and/or allow just certain PCIe devices (or any other device). I can only say that I eventually gave up. I really wish I could have found a completely open BIOS that I could have flashed that would just simply treat any PCIe device as something communicating on the PCIe bus - but that doesn't seem to be the case. Before I ever do this again, I want to find a completely open BIOS that I can configure and flash at will. It really shouldn't be that difficult.

    • @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee
      @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee 10 месяцев назад

      Did you have these experiences using the LattePanda, the other motherboard, or both? And if you don't mind sharing, what are your other experiences with the LattePanda Delta? I am on a tight budget right now, so I am considering getting one of their new Sigma series with the 32 GB of RAM now available and using it both as my main computer for a while and to learn Arduino.

    • @Raintiger88
      @Raintiger88 10 месяцев назад

      The only thing I did last year was pull it out of the box and power it up to make sure it was working as expected. I think it has win11 on it and the arduino software in right on the desktop.. I think it's a really cool product and I don't regret buying it. I just don't have the time to learn arduino right now.@@ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee

  • @David_Quinn_Photography
    @David_Quinn_Photography 10 месяцев назад +2

    you can get an e-key to M and B keyed adaptor for the slot as well, but I went the same route you did 2 SATA ports since the mobo I bought can't use it as a boot drive and I can't use WIFI with treuNAS.
    can we get a full video on how to set up home security? with a system like this? I plan to do something like this but I refuse to buy cameras that connect over WIFI and report to a could server.

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 10 месяцев назад +2

    The TPU was probably the one I'm most interested insince Frigate kind of requires having a TPU installed to work. Part of a much larger project for me and not sure when I'll get started on it.

    • @tenekevi
      @tenekevi 10 месяцев назад

      That's not true. I've been running frigate on the CPU for 1.5 years. i5-6400 takes it well, although CPU usage is ~35-40W. Recently they came out with OpenVINO support which reduces overall electricity usage by ~25-40%.
      You can definitely run Frigae without Coral. It's a bit more inefficient but totally works.

    • @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee
      @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@tenekevi I am showing my ignorance here, but does TPU mean Tensor Processing Unit, or something else?
      And what Operating System(s) does Frigate run on? I am wondering if I could use it on one of the new Single Board Computers that are coming out based on the new ARM processor from Rockchip that has an on chip Neural Processor. Something like the Orange Pi or Cool Pi boards.

    • @tenekevi
      @tenekevi 10 месяцев назад

      Yes, it stands for Tensor Processing Unit. And as far as I know, it's ran under linux. I think it can run both on x86 and arm architecture. That's especially easy with a Docker container. I can't comment on the ARM stuff though. People have ran it on a Pi4 with a Coral TPU attached via USB. A SBC might be ok for a few cameras - 2-4. I think anything else will need a lot more juice to perform the video encoding.

    • @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee
      @ALittleBitOfEverything-wd9ee 10 месяцев назад

      @@tenekevi Thank you very much.

    • @tenekevi
      @tenekevi 8 месяцев назад

      @@Username-qx9gk You never needed a TPU. Frigate just works with various degrees of efficiency. OpenVINO is a lot more efficient than a bare CPU but it's less efficient than a Coral TPU. I use both so I can compare.

  • @henriquehff
    @henriquehff 8 месяцев назад

    4:24 I'm using a WD SN740 nvme drive in the wifi card slot as a boot drive for my home NAS (with the J4005DC motherboard), I just had to buy the "M.2 A/E Key Slot To M.2 M"

  • @JMassengill
    @JMassengill 10 месяцев назад

    That 2.5GB adapter is sweet. I have an older NUC that might need that. FYI I tried to order that 2.5G adapter from that link and they wouldn't ship to my address in Texas for some reason....

  • @xariyx9860
    @xariyx9860 10 месяцев назад

    I transformed mini pcie slot into M2 with adapter, then put some random Samsung nvme - it didn't detect it bcs it had bios from like 2015, I had to mod bios with nvme driver and now I can boot from it!

  • @benberkayozdemir
    @benberkayozdemir 10 месяцев назад

    the face you made after shortage :D cool topic btw, great vid.

  • @DigitalTalon
    @DigitalTalon 9 месяцев назад

    Watching the video and it's clear you've never experienced the thrill of running 2 PCUs together! 😂😂 Reminds me of the good ol' days when I first started mining; we had to make sure they were properly earthed together. Ah, the memories! ⚡

  • @BrendanxP
    @BrendanxP 10 месяцев назад +1

    I recently installed the coral dual TPU in my wifi slot, however, it did not work at all. The bios picked it up as a GND device, but it does not show up under the PCIe devices on Linux.
    I have an "asrock z690m-itx/ax" motherboard, which according to the specifications supports: "type 2230 WiFi/BT PCIe WiFi module and Intel® CNVi (Integrated WiFi/BT)".
    So if you see this, be aware!

  • @LazyBunnyKiera
    @LazyBunnyKiera 10 месяцев назад

    They make an E-key to PCIe adapter, similar to m.2 m-key to PCIe for egpus. It can support 2 lanes of pcie, usually 3.0.
    I had an old laptop i wanted to get it for, but the adapter was too expensive for what it was.
    2 lanes of pcie gen3 would be fine for something like a gtx 1050.
    I wish my current laptop uses an e-key slot for it's wifi, but instead the wifi is soldered on. If it had an e-key, i could use a pcie wifi card, AND still tap into the usb lines to install some internal USB devices.

  • @ericp.5533
    @ericp.5533 10 месяцев назад +2

    Always ground the devices directly! You never know. I personally think it's good practice. Interesting video tho!

  • @1RobHunter1
    @1RobHunter1 12 дней назад

    There is a kit to add and external GPU card and game depending on CPU you have.

  • @thomaslight9754
    @thomaslight9754 10 месяцев назад

    I have a prodesk 600 g3 with nvme adt-link for a GPU, an nvme drive with e key adapter in the wifi slot and a sata drive. Very janky but it works!

  • @brolydictcumberbatchmontou401
    @brolydictcumberbatchmontou401 2 месяца назад

    The Frankenstein computer with two ssd drives made me think of the iconic phrase "It's Alive!!"

  • @myjunkarea5808
    @myjunkarea5808 7 месяцев назад

    I think this video is meant for me. I have a 2012-ish Acer 5750G which has a slot which I can not decipher, may be an E or A type M.2 slot, or a mSATA one. Can't wait.

  • @ASUSTOR_YT
    @ASUSTOR_YT 10 месяцев назад

    4:05 What a beautiful switch!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад

      Makes for awesome B Roll, lol

  • @stevenclark2188
    @stevenclark2188 4 месяца назад

    It helps that Intel's standard non CNVI cards use PCI-E for Wi-Fi and USB for Bluetooth. And they're sooooo cheap it's only worth undercutting them to save PCI-e ports on a low-power system.

  • @sqlazer
    @sqlazer 6 месяцев назад

    I actually have an m.2 e key nvme drive in my parts bin somewhere. I bought a late 2012 Mac mini a few years back and swapped out the stock nvme drive for a Samsung something or other, and had to get an adapter to do it. The drive I pulled outta the mini was an e key drive. I tried to sell it on eBay but no one wanted it lol

    • @7hx89
      @7hx89 3 месяца назад

      Mac mini 2012 does not have any nvme ssd. Some mini 2014 models have. Those Ssds use apple-only keys, not standard b,m or e keys. However there are cheap adaptors to make them compatible with b/m keys. And, such ssds can be used in many macs from 2013-2017.

  • @zushiba
    @zushiba 10 месяцев назад +1

    I bet the e-key sata adapter was shorting to the motherboard. I'd stick some Kapton tape on the bottom of it before you try that again.

  • @markissboi3583
    @markissboi3583 5 месяцев назад +1

    i collected a few wifis from laptops that do the same m2 slots

  • @hacktrixapii
    @hacktrixapii 6 месяцев назад

    I have this EXACT Elitedesk. It’s adorable

  • @Gamer4Eire
    @Gamer4Eire 10 месяцев назад

    The G3 Mini's are so good. Have one setup as a Proxmox server. Often wondered about the Wifi socket.

  • @Johninadelaide2022
    @Johninadelaide2022 10 месяцев назад

    My old Asus Netbook used that same style slot for storage.