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That pad is most likely getting in the way due to the tight space.

I think I talk about screws in my caddy video but I went and checked my G2, G3, G4 to confirm. The G2 screws are much longer and can't be used on G3/G4 - the G3/G4/G5 screws are all interchangeable - including the caddy and SATA cable screws.

@@handmedowntech I understand what you said in your video about the screws that hold the caddy to the motherboard and the screws that hold the cable... I was wondering about the screws that go into the drive itself and align the drive in the caddy???

@bjshertenlieb gotcha. The ones for the G2 seem to be different than the G3, G4 ones. To be honest I tend to just use a simple screw to hold the drive in place since I moved the SSDs around from unit to unit. Those damping screws are really only useful for mechanical drives. The lightweight SSDs can really just be held in with a single screw.

@@handmedowntech Thank you for your quick answers... Appreciate it muchly!!!

Maybe try taking out the memory to see if you get any beeps. Also have you tried turning it on with the cover off to I sure the switch on the case isn't broken?

@@inappropriatejohnson I checked on eBay to look at the 705 mobo and it does not have that extra header. If you purchased the power delivery Flexio I show in the video then it only works with the 800 35w. There is a USB c that should work with all models but it does not have the power delivery. It is just a straight Flexio board. 3tk78aa is the part number but try looking for L33162-001 or just Flexio USB c. Just make sure it does not have the header and cable.

@@handmedowntech Thanks for responding.......maybe it'll work on the Lenovo mini I have coming. $8 bucks plus tax ain't too bad of a fail. I'm addicted to these as pure Linux machines.

Which Lenovo?

@@handmedowntech Think Center M710q, i5-7500T, and the exact configuration of dp/hdmi/usb-c ports is uncertain, but the one pictured show three DisplayPorts. $55 bucks is pretty good deal either way I think. Thank you once again.

@@Waldo-Manfred oh I feel sorry for you 😉

You should get the monthly updates but most likely you'll need to do the ISO update for the major updates.

@@handmedowntech Ok thanks.

Thank you for tuning in. I guess I'm a fan of any sort of storage. Although my experience with mechanical drives in the units shows just how slow they are in comparison to M.2 and SSDs. But even mechanical have their place.

You can see it here. www.ebay.com/itm/235826816486. I tried getting it to work once but must have had a bum unit since windows couldn't see it. Other folks seemed to already have the card in their unit and most of those tended to be the G4 705

@@technodrome624 My G4 shows Q21 ver 02.29.01. I'd suggest doing the update. Preferably via the BIOS menu. Glad the vpro worked out

@@handmedowntech Thanks for the advice, updated. However I am facing rather bizarre issue. I am using OEM SATA drive. Basically on one partition is Windows and on second I installed debian. However, when I want to boot I receive the error e1000e reset blocked by me and the system just hangs on blank screen. Ever had similar issue?

The 2280s are pretty straightforward, it's those 2230s that are a challenge. Not sure why HP made it so hard since they did it correctly for the G3.

@@handmedowntech A mystery for the ages. All the vendors are like this. What should have been changing out a chipset chip, ends up with meddling in each generation. Just look at the caddies between 3rd and 4 gen. removing the third screw, good. Now having to line up two zero tolarance slots to the caddy, bad. So its not really an improvement. Yet needs a different chassis, caddy and heatsink. Just for two little slots a few mm long. I have a random machine that has hole markings for up to 110mm NVME drives. yet only the 80mm has a hole. No traces go through the other marking holes, so could have been drilled out. Someone had to layout components to fit a huge 110mm drive. But only drilling an 80mm is just daft.

@Yandarval now that sounds like someone was planning for a fancier version that could use the 110 but that fell through or else after building it they found the demand for 110 was low? I wouldn't be surprised if there is a funky adapter that fits in the 80 slot but will hold the 110.

Had the experience of getting a barebones G4 but at least it had the heatsink, etc. - I then realized I still needed to buy the CPU and didn't research it earlier since I was used to buying 6500T - bit of a sticker shock seeing the prices for the 8500T. Hoping those will come down in the coming years.

So if things go south with the units you can restore to a new one or refresh the current one?

@@handmedowntech refresh I think make my own custom image for each unit

The issue with G6 BIOS locked is that there is not the usual jumpers you can set to clear it. You literally have to get a new mobo from HP. Do a search about G6 BIOS locked and see the poor folks trying to get service under warranty.

Thank you for the offer but my shelves are pretty full too. I've collected so many so I have content for the channel and viewer inquiries. I'd suggest donating good working units to places like Goodwill. Many of those resell them through eBay, thus cutting down on ewaste.

Have you confirmed that the network card is seen by the unit? I would connect the network cable to the second port and then try doing a BIOS upgrade via the BIOS itself. This will cause it to talk to HP. If it can't connect it could be an issue with the card. Or of course if you can boot to windows even better. You can then confirm the card and also confirm that it is Intel and not Realtek.

@handmedowntech Appreciate the response. It was in the BIOS, but OPNsense refused to see it. Luckily, I bought four of these NICs. I swapped it with a different one and it’s working now. Must’ve been a bad card.

@gm4765 Good to know it does with opnsense and that you had extras. I wish I'd ordered more of those when it got them real cheap.

Unfortunately not - the holes are just off enough so that they are not compatible.

@handmedowntech A bummer..

Ultimate performance please overclock make video😢

@@rishilmhatre5500 I'll have to see if there are software solutions for the overclock8ng since the BIOS doesn't support it

That section of the video looks like I'm adding it to a G1. The only M.2vwould be under that large aluminum shield once you also remove the fan. So for the G1 it is easier doing the wifi hack.

@zincfive That is a thankless job. If it works people don't notice. But if it fails, oh boy.

@@handmedowntech Yep. I guess I have a little advantage today cause I'm the boss and a little disadvantage cause I suffered through the early days, and can't help trying to see if the modern tools work better than they did 25 years ago.

I think the first time I tried cloning disks to refresh clients was still in the Netbeui Boot Disk era. Still solidly in the booting from DOS era, definitely before Windows for Workgroups 3.11, which was the first actual windows, a number of years before Win 95, which actually worked. 10 years before "broadband- alway on" I'd say 1990 to 1992. It was a computer training lab, where paying students would "learn" word, excel skills to "get a better job..." They needed to refresh the computers (I figure 386 compaq ibm pc clones) for the software they were teaching. Even then they were worried about shitheads leaving viruses and whatnot, and they only had tiny hard drives if any, and we were booting to DOS, then loading "Windows" on top.

We used Ghost (later Norton Ghost, Later Symantec Ghost... basically exactly the same as clonezilla.) But first we had to get a "network" together, get the "slaves" speaking with a "master" which was the unholy 'Netbeui Boot Disk," booting from a Dos 6 disk with "Netbeui" to recognize some peer computer over whatever ungodly Novel or IBM token ring peer network they cobbled together. All this is before there were ethernet or IP addresses and whatnot.

We got it to work, at least enough to get paid, but if we got paid for 50 hours of work, it took us maybe 500 (I'll never live long enough to be repaid for the many, many lost nights), and I'd bet a paycheck that it didn't operate for 6 months. Shortly after, there was Windows for Workgroups 3.11, which actually sort-of worked to make peer networks, and a few years later windows 95 which actually DID work.

@@ytguy2010 Agreed. I've had more luck with booting SSDs so I was pleased it worked on the first try. I think having the same sized drives is key.

@@stevenbell9589 I've played with trying to do windows drive mirroring but setting up the recovery partition was always tricky and I never seemed to get it right.

@handmedowntech using sure recovery sorts all that but puts windows 10 on it

And a Merry Christmas to you. Hoping for RAM under your tree. Thanks!

@@alansmithee.01Feliz Navidad! I'll have to try booting from M.2 on the EliteDesk 800 G2 to see if it has the same issue. I haven't been as successful with the cloning inside of Windows vs outside and clonezilla.

@@tyfp3854 interesting. I'll have to check that out.

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I keep thinking of buying one of those wall chargers that can output 60w to see it in action. Even cooler might be a charging bank that does the same. So you can have a portable mini.

@@Romerco77 one of the reasons I did the follow up on doing upgrades.

I'd agree, the different units use interesting terms for it and it's not always obvious where to find it.

Thanks for the offer but I'd prefer to keep it in the forums so that others can benefit. Which model are we talking about? Generally if the displayport is not showing video its because the unit is defaulting to VGA since it didn't have a signal on the DP. I find it best to switch the monitor to Display port and right away turn on the computer so that it sees a connection on the DP (I actually use a DP to HDMI adapter and HDMI on my monitor bu the same concept applies).

No response, just reading your no comment.

Compare the thermals between the units. I wonder if the 35w is getting too hot. Maybe also try with the cover off to see if it makes a difference. If it works better you might look into getting the vented hood from a 65w unit.

@@handmedowntech Thermals look normal with a max of 70 degrees C. I have tried with and withouth cover and same results. The interesting thing is that my G4 has vented top cover and copper (not aluminium) radiator for the cooler.

The G4 is an interesting one in that there is a difference between the 65w and 35w mobos. The 35w has an extra header for use with the USB c Flexio card. I wonder if HP did anything else to make them unique, like use of CPU. Can you try geekbench on the two units? I found it to be less GPU intensive vs the other benchmark. I can get you the numbers I have for various units and CPUs.

​@@handmedowntech here are my scores: GeekBench 6 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1020 | MultiC 4213 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 1003 | MultiC 3555 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1416 | MultiC 2693 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1364 | MultiC 4146 - Turbo Boost ON Cinebench R23 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 731 | MultiC 4115 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 742 | MultiC 4126 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1031 | MultiC 1940 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1034 | MultiC 5491 - Turbo Boost ON * Turbo Boost turned OFF prevents coil whine sound (i did not hear it so far) * also power plan set to "Power Saving" prevent coil whine sound (but maybe then you loose CPU power, i did tests only with High Performance power plan) *G4 Twr has only 8Gb RAM 2400hz as compared to G4 MINI that has 16Gb RAM 2400Mhz, maybe this influences the score a bit *on thing i notice is that there is no fan speed sensor shown (HW Info 64) not even in the G4 Tower. I was curious about fan speed since it felt like it makes louder noise with disabled turbo boost. Conclusion for the MINI: turbo boost ON produce coil whine sound and produce LOWER Multi Core scores. And i would have love it to be the other way around :).

@@handmedowntech GeekBench 6 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1020 | MultiC 4213 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 1003 | MultiC 3555 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1416 | MultiC 2693 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1364 | MultiC 4146 - Turbo Boost ON Cinebench R23 G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 731 | MultiC 4115 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 TWR | SingleC 742 | MultiC 4126 - Turbo Boost OFF G4 MINI 35w | SingleC 1031 | MultiC 1940 - Turbo Boost ON G4 TWR | SingleC 1034 | MultiC 5491 - Turbo Boost ON *Turb Boost turned OFF prevents coil whine sound, but keeps fan a little bit loud in idle mod *also Power Saving power plan prevent coil whine sound (but maybe then you loose CPU power, i did tests only with High Performance power plan) *G4 Twr has only 8Gb RAM 2400Mhz as compared to G4 MINI that has 16Gb RAM 2400Mhz, maybe this influences the score a bit Conclusion for the MINI: turbo boost ON produce coil whine sound and produce LOWER Multi Core scores. And i would have love it to be the other way around :).

Thank you for watching and the nice comment. Glad it helped you.

Correct. In my prior video I did a fresh install without issue but folks asked for a video showing an upgrade.

I'm in agreement on the CPU cost. The barebone has to be really cheap to make it worthwhile. I bought a barebones G4 and then realized I had to spend another 50 to 60 for the CPU and I could almost have gotten a working unit for the same cost and less risk.

These little things have become my current fascination, the combination of being so readily available, easy to store and inexpensive has me hooked. I have found your collection of videos on them to be invaluable. So far my biggest issue was an HP MP9 that came with no storage, but had a caddy but no sata cable, and the sata connector on the MB was damaged, I took me a couple of hours to figure out that it would detect NVME drives but not M.2 SATA drives.​@@handmedowntech

Which MP9 do you have? I'm sure you watched my video on the MP9 G4 I picked up. Thanks for tuning in.

@@handmedowntech I have the G3

I was going to suggest getting a new SATA cable but if the actual connector on the board is damaged that won't work. Still a nice unit and you could always use the Wifi to M2 adapter to get a second drive - albeit a bit slower.

You've been able to get Apple OS to run on the minis?

Where with Linux you're ok

@@handmedowntech but shifting to Linnux is not a viable alternative for many non-technical users. Linux doesn't cure all ills, much as the Linux proponents would have you believe otherwise. For instance how do you transfer a decade or more of carefully catalogued and filed Outlook messages, rules and contacts to a Linux client? Even running Outlook under Wine isn't a consistently reliable solution.

@grahamepigney8565 very true. Majority of folks are used to Windows. Which also means that they have to use the older Windows OS if they have real old hardware. Thankfully the hardware we feature on the channel is just new enough to run windows 11.

I'm sure much faster than my bare metal upgrade too.

I will have to give that a try. Thanks

Well first off, we pretty much have the same unit so it gives me hope that I'll be able to upgrade. As far as the cloning. Check out my video on virtualizing an old desktop. It gives you the ability to go back and run software you might not need all the time. Granted you'll still need to copy your data to your new machine. In my case we keep most of our data on our NAS so it was already there for us to connect to. You then would also need to reinstall any apps you truly need. Not quite what you were looking for but an option so you can retire or reuse that Dell.

I have my G4 running 247, as well as two G1s. I have them right next to me when filming. No noise issues.

Oh shoot. I already sent my letter and asked for boring stuff like socks and good coffee. Maybe he'll leave me a stocking of cash. I'll look for some G6 deals.

@@handmedowntech I hope so. There are starting to be some good deals on G6s. I just bought an HP Prodesk 400 mini G6 (i3-10110T / 8GB / 256GB / W11PRO + keyboard & mouse) for 100€ (~US$100) and it works perfectly.I hope you find a deal.

I went on eBay and the G6 must be a bit cheaper across the pond. Most of the decent ones started at $200.

@@handmedowntech Yes, I had a great deal. I just need to replace the CPU fan which works but it a quite noisy. At the moment, I can see on eBay US a 600 mini G6 (i5 / 16 Go / No SSD) priced at $148. Prices will start to fall. But there is a big price difference between the G6 and the G5 and I don't know if it is justified. I think the differences are more interesting between a G6 and a G9 (for example DD4 faster on the 260/400 or DDR5 vs DDR4 on the 600/800) than between a G5 and a G6. I hope will will corfirm this soon.

I'm actually in the middle of trying that myself. Hope to show upgrading from 23H2 to 24.

Very welcome

Dumb question. I'm assuming windows 11 before 24H2 works?

Makes me want to stay where I am on my G3. How did you backup and restore your PC?

They seem to be stuck between trying to get people off win 10 but also making it easier to support win 11 by limiting who can run it.

@@handmedowntech Yep, I agree. I figure they feel that leading at AI is existential in their mind. They are sorely caught between maintaining the largest user base in history against progress with their copilot+ spec, which includes the latest processor extensions and NPU's. They are somewhat f'd.

It's either the future or the past...I guess they are thinking offering a "you can get around much of it" plus, "stay with win 10 and here's another 12 months of support for 30 bux" might postpone their pain, they can skate through it make it a problem for "future microsoft." For me, it's a question of what I get from hosting an AI system on my desk. Without a "killer app" AI is stupid. We are already seeing so called "ai" in search, which mostly misunderstands your questions with answers that are based on press releases, but can't provide any sort of quality critical reasoning. The whole reason we are here, discussing this in a chat session is because AI answers to our questions are mostly regurgitated marketing nonsense.

So far, all the "make a image or video of this weird idea" and "make a program for me" or "write my essay for me" and all the chat stuff is best done online, with monstrously huge data sets, and frankly will only ever be limitedly "intelligent" because the people who ask these questions are mostly going to be unable to handle actual truth, which is that their walnut brains are looking for speedy self-affirmation, not actual enlightenment, and answers like "well it's complicated, settle in and we'll discuss it" aren't very popular.

The best I've seen from desktop AI is your machine will take a screenshot of what you are doing every 10 seconds, then use "ai" to image search to figure out what you were doing, so you can use a natural language search to ask "what was that awesome brand of dildo I was looking at a few months ago? TAKE ME THERE..." You know like Google maps for sex-toy shopping...