Dream's Accusers are Dropping Like Flies...
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2023
- Dream has become RUclips's most controversial creator that never does anything. Seriously, Dream is one of the most polarizing individuals online, with a pile of accusations. From cheating, to blackmail, to even some questionable messages with kids, Dream has a lot tied to his name. So, let's unpack of the drama behind Dream's name.
This video is a retrospective on the history of Dream's drama, with particular focus on his most recent response video, "The Truth".
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People need to realize that you can just not like someone. Like you don’t have to justify not liking a creator. However, you do not get to lie about creators being groomers because that is extremely serious.
There's a very real tendency for people to feel like if they dislike something it has to be for a really serious reason and not just the fact that sometimes you just don't like something. If you don't like a creator, it has to be because they're a terrible person. Sometimes, you just don't like someone for petty reasons. Sometimes, you just don't like someone for no real reason at all, and that's ok.
isnt this considered misdemeanor in some parts of the US?? and if not illegal i know its flat out morally wrong and a stupid thing to do
Unfortunately they do get to do so. The internet has very little accountability right now so things like swatting, and false allegations get thrown around without any repercussions. I look forward to the day when the general public becomes more intelligent about fake content and when the government finally puts laws in place which protect and crack down on these issues
@@tone__watoI’m fairly certain someone could argue a case for court, but ultimately it wouldn’t lead to anything productive and would just cost everyone a ton of money
on god. people are always trying to find reasons for not liking people and it's just like... you guys. this is the beauty of being human. sometimes you just don't vibe with cetain people and that's OKAY. seriously. no need to turn it into a big moral dilemma or some deep dive to find the smallest crumb to "expose" them over.
Sad to see that a lot of people are creating and using false allegations as a way to justify hate towards him.
Called it. Knew with the first one he was clean
@@randomuser5443 Optimus did exactly this. I unsubbed when he posted a video a few weeks ago about "the allegations piling up" for Dream but there was no evidence or concrete allegations throughout the whole video.
@@SUPERMA5TER but that's exactly what that is.... those are allegations. That doesn't mean it's true, by that logic we should defame every lawyer who defends people who make false allegations.
@@reaper8264 Still does not in the slightest justify the assumption most of these RUclipsrs have that all allegations are true just because it's against Dream.
@@Lakthul But he didn't, he just said the allegations are stacking up which they were.
People tend to have this major issue with trying to moralize their dislike of certain people. Dream is, at worst, a cringe minecrafter who can be overconfident. You can just dislike him for that, you dont need to "prove" why u feel that way
Exactly, I always found Dream as "just cringe" but Twitter mob as usual always take things too far.
I only dislike him for encouraging his fans to vote for the glow squid in mass. Other than that I don’t really think about him
@@Gloomdrake hes certainly not the only content creator to do it, but i get u, hes way bigger than most
@@LimeG0ds and that’s why I’ll only ever be mildly annoyed about it. It’s not worth ruining his life
@@Gloomdrake Even I think the hate for that is bogus. Its a mob VOTE, its natural to encourage other people to vote for what you want, its basically like elections and shit in a sense. Other youtubers did it, including Tommy and CaptainSparklez yet the only reason they didnt get hate for it is because their respective mobs that they advocated didnt win.
In 4 years, I realized people will always jump on a famous person for literally anything they can find to be reported on. I thought it wouldn't be crazy to assume that if Dream actually succumbed to false allegations he would've killed himself, then somehow everyone that did those would say "Oh noooo he was a pure soul, he would never"
reminds me of an animation video (i forgor the name) where it exaclty shows this behavior kn the i internet. People are wandering shadows, going after smells of blood and gets escacy (i don know how to spell) when they do smell drama. And then piece the full story throu very out of context pieces to then justify their dogpile on the target of this fiasco, which in turns killed them and when the full story came out (basically a grandma putting everyone in their place) the same shadows put on a sad face and cry for the now dead corpse.
This video gave the chills and stuck with me and if someone know what i mean, please post it jnder. But this just goes to show how history repeats itself and the internwt aint learning from the mistakes..
@@yaB0i_Hawkx beautifully put
@@yaB0i_Hawkxi wish someone would post the link to the video. also it's not the problem of the internet, but humanity in general.
@@MorbiusBlueBalls The Internet's feeling of being anonymous is where the problem begins. If we stop this burner account bullshit then people would feel less secure about doing this kind of bullshit
Dream is - to me - a case study of someone who does not have media training but means well. I think that the fact people are so willing to believe accusations against him just because they don't like him doesn't bode well, especially with AI making it easier to fake content of any person and apparently people being gullible as hell. His talent is in gaming and stuff, not being a "media guru" type person, so yeah he obviously doesn't come across well when what people really want is a PR-approved response, even if that's not what they know they want.
What can I say, it’s innocent till proven guilty unless it’s someone you hate.
EXACTLY, i've been following him for a while and i've always sustained this opinion. he's ass at PR which makes him look worse despite the fact that his worst proven crime was cheating in minecraft. and so when people actually look at the kind of person that he is and how he presents himself online, they assume he's manipulative and brainwashing his young audience into thinking he's a good person. the fact that people genuinely believe that has always stumped me, like, maybe the guy's actually pretty decent
Even the parasocial stuff all drama channels like Pyro and Critikal like to call out is an example of this tbh. LIke first off, his fanbase is way younger than the fans of these enlightened drama channels, there isn't really an "I am not your friend" vid that's gonna dispel that culture when audience's reality is literally 80% Minecraft videos. And even when he did feed into the obsessed stans, it seemed like it was more from a place of wanting a tight-knit community-terrible media decision in hindsight, but something an average guy who speedran celebrity culture would do.
He still told his fans to harass people & then thanked them for it after they sent people death threats even though he knew the people being threatened were just doing their job & even though he actually was cheating. He also calls his child fans his kittens.
There's never been a situation in which he meant well. You don't have to pretend he's retroactively a good person just because there's a small chance he's not a child groomer.
@@D_YellowMadness Can you be more specific? I see he carelessly watched a video about him, and it got dislike bombed... but no death threats.
And I'm a skeptic. I still think he cheated on those speed runs, and I think that was downplayed here.
It's funny how Dream haters complain about Dream stans flocking in to defend him at any possible moment, when they happily jump on the smallest possible reasons to bash him regardless of whether or not it's actually true.
They believe so easily the craziest lies ever on the internet, and act surprised after some people try to show them proofs that it was a lie, or don't even listen at all.
“OMG DREAM GROOMED 16 MINORS AND CRASHED A BUS FULL OF KIDS AT THE SAME TIME”
they would probably believe all of that tbh
i find it crazy how often i saw dream haters harass dream fans (for weeks, months even!) and then turn around and say they were scared of dream stans attacking them and dream should've blurred their names in the video. like you weren't scared of them all this time, why now?
like if dream's fanbase really was full of these kinds of hyper-aggressive doxxers who'd ruin your life if you said a bad word about him, the speedrunning controversy would've never happened, because anyone trying to expose it would be too scared to do it.
Don’t forget how they’ll call you a dream stan or try to put words in your mouth for disagreeing with them. I don’t even like the guy, but the amount of people that hate him are almost like a cult. It’s genuinely scary.
It’s always been weird to me when somebody gets so hung up on someone they don’t like that they obsess over them and dedicate their life to the craft of hating them and trying to cause their downfall.
When you spend more time talking about somebody than a lot of their devout fans, but only for the negative, you aren’t a “fair critic” you’re just a malicious fan
I'm so tired. people have completely forgotten that you can just.... not like someone or not click with their content or personality. i don't click with Charlie's personality, but that doesn't make him a bad person. i don't need to use a bunch of petty bullshit or make up things to justify not watching his content
Oh my gosh, poor Jaime! Having someone make false accusations in your name is a type of victimization I’ve never seen before… poor girl
It's the annoying white knighting where people try to protect someone that doesn't need or want it, making their life worse in the process.
@@jessy1982 exactly
@@jessy1982 Literally this. This has become such a big problem with discoursers in recent years. it's at a point where I warn people to not whiteknight for me in any way or I will block them. If they get mad at you for blocking them over trying to defend you in a way that was making things worse for you then they never cared about your wellbeing imo.
Stuff like that will sometimes happen with real events too.
I had a cousin who was murdered. Idk how everyone else felt but I was satisfied with the justice that was served. I knew someone who made a big personal virtue signal about it. They'd bring it up regularly like they were in a political campaign so they could make it about them.
I asked them to stop because I hated my tragedy being in my face all the time. They told me I was promoting victimization and the system not getting justice for victims.
His killers are serving long sentences in prison. This person never knew them they just wanted to be publicly a moral person. I blocked them.
@@jessy1982this is really true. these supposed saviors left a lot of victims in the process of saving a victim that didn't even exist
As someone who was actually SA'd and has no way to prove it, it's infuriating to see people just making shit up and call it as evidence.
I don't know Dream cuz i'm not into gaming, but i appreciate him acknowledging real victims and the complexity of our situation. Bare minimum, but it's still nice to see.
As someone who was 15 with no real proof accept a Snapchat written apology (now deleted due to being blocked) from the accused, I felt so alone because of how I knew I’d get in this battle of being a liar or not if I brought it up to people in his circle. I only told my close friends who didn’t know how to support me. I didn’t have the charisma he had, so I knew it would have been a losing battle anyways. It was a horrible experience, and I feel for you.
I see all these fake evidence and think “why didn’t I have this available to me” until I realize they’re fake. It’s disgusting.
@@rynnmedia I wore the same outfits from that day, for weeks after the fact. It's the only proof I had.
Moving on has been impossible. I have this pathological fear that if I let go of my pain, everything would be erased. It would mean that nothing happened and I made everything up.
That's why I think Dream absolutely needs to take every bit of legal action he can against this person/s. This is SOOO damaging and should NOT be normalized or just laughed/shrugged off. I hate it that people are essentially doing that with such a serious fake allegation. This person needs charges brought against them.
Not bare minimum stfu
i don't like dream but being cringe isn't a moral failing. weaponizing serious accusations is so dangerous.
The fact that after The Truth video was released and the fact that Jamie literally said to leave her alone and she wanted nothing to do with it, there was still that one person that literally stalked Jamie's every action on the internet anyway, literally refusing to head her wishes just because they hate Dream. Yikes. He who fights monsters, huh?
Anyone remember the tweet that said that people shouldn't have been celebrating Dream to be abusing children because it proves they didn't care about actual victims and only wanted to find a reason to hate Dream? That was a huge red flag that the Dream haters are unhinged, wrathful people that care for nothing except being right.
It's weird how hated dream stans always were, yet people would still listen to them for why hating dream is 'justified'.
I would not exactly call them people, but I agree.
@@jessy1982people want any reason to hate dream, hell see the fandom argument for creators as harmless as mat pat
@@Yami-mugoni613 The dreamsmp as a whole was a cesspool of people cancelling creators on it for nothing over and over again.
@@jessy1982that’s was mainly the hater of the dreamsmp. Content creators like John swan tried to pin his dumb behavior on dream or an anon posting to say BBH is a pedo. It wasn’t really from the community itself
The obsession some people have with taking youtubers down is insane. Like there is more than enough of them doing horrible things, why are you making things up? Why are you harassing people you've declared victims? Why does EVERYONE believe EVERYTHING said to them with exactly zero proof? We keep having situations like this and literally no one learns anything and its fucking exhausting.
Sadly, the internet (or rather Twitter users) decided that the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" was overrated and that the burden of proof should fall on the accused rather than the accuser.
I'm comfortable to say I didn't believe the grooming allegations since I never saw any actual evidence, just people saying they heard others say it's true.
And because I didn't believe it, I didn't have an incentive to go out and talk about it.
But the people that DID believe it went out of their way to mention it every chance they could.
So I think the issue is we mainly hear from the ones who didn't grow out of the "believe everything" mindset, while there could be a silent group that isn't shown because there's no incentive for them to be shown (unless they want to go out of their way to try and disprove things).
Basically what you see people say isn't the full picture of what people think.
@@jessy1982 belief or thought doesnt tend to even factor into the internet these days. people will attack someone for anything just for the feeling of power or control, they feel everything is good vs evil, black or white. they want to be taking down a bad guy, and will follow even the weakest evidence to be justified in doing so. Most of these people dont care about any victims, they just want their hatred to be justified.
believing anything without evidence is core human behaviour. that's why most people still subscribe to religion and creationism even tho it has no evidence backing it up, and even tho we have better explanations to describe the phenomenons that religions try to explain.
"Children tend to be more passionate about creators than people that pay taxes." Oof, I felt this one hahaha
children who grew up on social media have this common belief that if they dislike someone, others MUST dislike them too. they act like evangelical preachers desperate to share their message and 'save' others from the perils of liking someone 'cringe' not realizing how malicious and unhinged their actions are. I would be terrified to be a creator or public figure in this climate.
i dont mean to act like im sort of special exclusion but i basically grew up off the internet and i dont even think like that, i feel like it must be some sort of... brain damage, perhaps?? or their parents didnt care to just raise them right? mine have been pretty absent these last few years, but i guess they got something right if they managed to raise me to respect other people's opinions
I genuinely agree with you.
@@scp-phenomenon014if i were to guess, intelligence might have correlation to it. intelligent kids figure out right from wrong on their own because every human is born with ability to empathise with others. now the children who are not the brightest, need to be taught about good and bad, and some of these children don't get that teaching
Yeah that seems like a common problem in the internet nowadays. It’s also a problem in video games where people try their hardest to stop others from playing specific games that they don’t like. And they seem to believe themselves to be so called “cringe police” or whatever
I think that just mob mentality than anything social media exclusive besides make it worse due to anonymity
This weird hatred of Dream reminds me of how anti-Justin Bieber the internet was a decade or so ago.
It seems like people are doing this because it just, "cool to hate Dream" and if you hate Dream "you're not like the other girls"
I think it's just that people believe an accusation too easily when it's thrown at someone who anyone with common sense already suspected of that exact crime, especially if the person in question has already been caught doing other evil things like encouraging his fans to send death threats & thanking them afterward.
It's still bad but let's not treat Dream like he's just some guy who keeps getting into trouble through no fault of his own.
@@D_YellowMadness"encouraging his fans to send death threats and thanking them" afterwards"
Do you have any proof of that? Or heard someone randomly claiming this happened? Because it never happened.
He once or two times called out some Twitter users publicly that were spreading those kind of lies about him you can see in this video, he was defending himself, and for ONE case I remember he celebrated the person deleting the tweet and locking their account after the call-out (and he celebrated in his private account, with less reach). But absolutely no encouragement to death threats.
The opposite actually, he multiple times at streams and tweets said to never spread hate in his name.
I agree with this sentiment too.
yeah i think this is it right here
he’s the punching bag of our generation honestly he got assaulted like twice he has such a awful reputation gen z really can’t stand him at all
I think this whole situation further confirms a hypothesis I've had in my head for a while; that people that say "cringe culture is dead" are full of it and that this strange new culture where something needs a moral/politcal reason for mockery has the potential to be EXTREMELY harmful to society.
The only that "died" was the ability to be a _blatant_ asshole (on non-burner accounts anyway.) Many of the people who engage in that behavior simply learned how to abuse morally righteous causes to get away with it. It's the same bullshit as before, but painted gold in hopes that you don't notice that it's still bullshit.
It's basically teaching people how to be scummy, manipulative, abusers. It's already pretty scary to see it play out online, I can't imagine how horrifying this would play out irl.
Yep. Cringe culture is alive and well, it's just being weaponized now.
It gets worse when we normalize it and shrug it off. Dream needs to bring legal action and charges against this person. People who lie about this type of stuff should have consequences. I'm shocked how much people just shrugg off these days.
Cringe culture is dead just that now you are timing bomb to be hated
Even tho cheating in Minecraft sucked, it was his responses and the way he treated the mod team and everyone who pointed out his inconcistencies that made me sour on him. The way you compared him to pewdiepie made me think he should do the same, Dream should uninstall twitter and go live a happy life
yeah he's pretty much done that. said he won't be active on twitter anymore. who knows if that'll last, but i think this time he's learned his lesson about the braindead people on that app.
The thing is, there's no manual to being famous. He's just a really awkward dude who plays games in his bedroom and got thrust into spotlight.
You should probably watch his response video (with receipts) and hear his take on that - it's mostly self reflection and "I didn't need to get defensive" etc. - so, your take is not really better.
Actually Karl Jobst has a great video on how Dream probably didn’t know that his drop rates were altered (in a segment featuring Anvenom) ruclips.net/video/G3Yzk-3SZfs/видео.htmlsi=VA92A8hssLPwWbhP
thats why so few people are willing to believe him now that he's defending himself again. he went to extreme lengths to debunk a claim, and it turns out he just straight up lied and had a mod on
To my mind, he NEEDS to sue both burner22 and dream scraper. Expose them and bankrupt them (or likely their parents as I suspect these are pathetic 14 year olds). And Amanda, her too. Sue them into oblivion, it won't make those who don't like him change their mind, but it will certainly put an end to this nonsense as there need to consequences for slandering someone with a 24 page document of bs.
The issue is that he can't really. He wants to, but defamation on the US is extremely hard to sue for; you need to prove that a) a specific person or entity defamed you b) that that defamation cost you a specific amount of money c) what that specific amount of money is and d)that they intended to cost you that specific amount of money.
It's the last point that's hardest, since they were probably actually doing it for clout, not money reasons.
Since all of them claimed they were going to take legal actions against /him/ his lawyers told him to wait so that they could counter-sue, /that/ would be where legitimate and doable legal action could take place. But obviously that never happened.
@@silverstring9928 The would never file a case with their real name on it, those cowards only throw accusations behind anonymous accounts.
@@silverstring9928 truth is the best defense, proving defamation is simply proving someone knowingly publicized falsehoods about you -- considering the state of the situation -- that would not be hard. If I was in his shoes, and considering my financial situation is fine, but I'm certain he is well better financed, but even where I stand, I'd spend what needs to be to teach these people an expensive lesson. It doesn't have to be a winning case, but a case that survives a motion to dismiss, this would, at that point, bankrupt these people with legal fees. I GUARANTEE you they don't have the finances to keep up.
@@silverstring9928thats the annoying part which is hate. Which i dont normally do hut these keyboard warriors who hide behind being anonymous.
They truly attempt to tear someone down and ruin there lives. People have committed suicide over less.
Low key even though elon is kinda dumb paying for twitter would prevent this kinda stupid stuff. Since now people are legally tied to their claims.
You will still see people till this day call dream a pedo despite 0 evidence all his counter arguments 0 actual cases.
The fact that musk making twitter a paid service is having value shows how degenerate it currently is.
100% this. Lawyer up, and sue the twitter trolls. Which will also make their identities public. Maybe they will get some of their own medicine.
Every single time I see people discredit Dream’s evidence when the guy is essentially proving himself innocent, I keep thinking about the internet as a whole. They’re after him because he’s Dream, and I really just want to say “if you want to get mad at a Minecraft RUclipsr who’s actually guilty, may I direct your attention to Illumina?”
These people don’t care about victims. They care about hurting someone and destroying a career. Even Dream himself acknowledged how this will hurt other real victims in the future.
My father is a lawyer, and he ended up digging into the controversy because he got curious. One thing he told me is “if someone isn’t putting their name on it, they don’t have any stake in it. As hard as it is for victims to come forward, they need to put themselves out there and have the proof ready.”
These allegations would never hold up in a court of law, and there should be consequences for this. False allegations are permanently going to stick with him and his name. It sucks knowing he’s innocent and his career has taken a permanent hit from some people who were more insane than the crazy stans everyone talks about.
illumina? what did he do??? haven't heard much about him
@@imintears8976 he SA’d a girl. I’d suggest searching up a video on it since it’ll explain it better than me.
In my opinion, he’s an awkward guy who got way too famous way too quick and he simply didn’t know how to handle the fame. And formed some weird, parasocial relationships with fans.
The Minecraft speedrun stuff was poorly handled and I think that’s one thing that truly deserves criticism for, however, hating on him because it’s popular is gross. I am not a dream fan at all, frankly, I can’t stand him (then again, I’m not his targeted audience), but fabricating allegations is never ok under any circumstances. You don’t have to like the guy, but don’t try to destroy him. Idk, this whole situation feels weird.
Dream is obviously not liked for things such as not doing anything about the para social relationships or him cheating in minecraft but doubling down in calling him a groomer is just unacceptable and downright depraved.
I would like to point out that in Dream's video he expresses regret and contempt for his past view on parasocial relationships and the way he acted during the cheating scandal. In general he was a young person thrust into the spotlight who wasn't equipped to handle the fame (at least imo)
If it was only that. I liked a few memes on instagram making fun of his exaggerated performances at his concerts - I've never hated or liked the guy, but these memes put him onto my radar. IG decided to show me more hateful shit towards Dream. Accusing him of r@pe, possessing CP, sending illicit material to children. Turns out: None of that shit is true and cannot be substantiated. No one has to like a specific person. But making that shit up- straight up vile behaviour.
Im not a fan by any means but hearing about a "groomer" that still wasnt removed from the platform got me doing a little research and finding literally no proof at all. Thats when I saw that this is one of those cases where someone just throws an accusation around and the internet rolls with it. And THEN I found out hes literally only 24. Early adulthood, the time where you still figure things out. And yet the entire internet just runs with every accusation because they dont like him. And why is that? Not because hes actually a groomer, or a criminal, or a bad person. Just because hes weird, made a few stupid comments and because he isnt desirable or hot (after the face reveal)?
People need to get a life and leave this guy alone. He literally did nothing wrong (as far as we know until now) other than saying a few things that some people didnt like. Its all about "mental health matters" until you get to bully someone you dont know personally. This could literally destroy his mental wellbeing entirely and the internet wouldnt even care. I am BAFFLED how they put so much effort into badmouthing a random guy rather than going after those who ACTUALLY deserve to lose their platform for doing horrible things. Why? Because its trendy. Yall are just jumping on the bandwagon to feel SOMETHING other than your own boredom and loneliness it seems. Find a hobby and touch some grass. Unless this guy actually does something really bad, yall need to leave him alone - and any other person in the same position as him.
Well said. People say horrible stuff online that they'd almost certainly NEVER say to someone's face.
_Come to think of it..._
maybe in the future, before someone is allowed to type a shitty comment about someone else, they have to "type" it using text-to-speech, while an AI-rendered model of that person's face about to cry is displayed on their screen.
(or, ya know, people could just try being kind for a change..)
Also, I think a big part of the bullying for his weight and appearance is really stupid. Like, firstly, maybe *he* doesn’t care, but for the regular, everyday person who is fat or neurodivergent or struggles with communication, seeing people make fun of dream for those things can genuinely hurt. And secondly, there is an enormous double standard among internet leftists (speaking as an internet leftist myself) where you need to “qualify” to be protected from bullying based on appearance, identity, or personal history. IMO, there is no “qualification” to be protected against bullying. You’re either a bully or you’re not.
That's why the 17-20 thing baffles me. Look, I'm 38, ALL of this is a bunch of weird high school drama from my perspective, and a 3 year age gap is NOTHING. Like if I at my age was dating a 20 year old, everyone would (rightly) call it weird and creepy, because we understand that 20 is just barely out of childhood.
@@ZachGatesHereit’s not the age difference, it’s the life experience and maturity difference. Yes, a 3 year age difference is basically nothing when you’re in your 30s, but would you say a 15 year old and an 18 year old are at the same level of maturity? Same logic applies when an older teen engages with a 20s adult
He’s done stuff wrong just not the child stuff
As we go forward, I think Dream will be a notable lesson for creators and fans (hopefully) about the dangers of parasocial relationships. Thanks to the way a creator can blow up in a short time, it’s scary how quickly things can get wildly out of hand. At the end of the day, many content creators are just people.
wow. people just go after people for the dumbest reasons. but then cry about being bulied. what a joke.
Some Twitter users apparently got mad at Dream for not blurring out the people who made vile tweets towards him and they apparently got doxxed or harassed because of it. Honestly I have zero sympathy for them because, as they say, Play Stupid Games Win Stupid Prizes.
@@realinfinity620
It's just darwinism at work.
@@realinfinity620
deserved
@@realinfinity620 true
It's not 'cool' to hate on people just for being cringe anymore, so people need to create a narrative in which they are morally justified to harass and shit on someone so that they don't get called out and shunned for just being an asshole. I used to love Dream, I haven't watched him in quite a while just because I moved towards other content, but I've dropped creators in the past for being awful and would have no problem dropping him if there was weight here - I was a Shane Dawson kid.
16:22 as someone who's been around a lot of Dream stans - I'd say the good majority of them are also college aged. Of course he HAS younger viewers and younger stans, but from my experience the majority of the stan community is the same age as him.
Yup I remember watching dream years ago and I’m only a year older than him (22 at the time). It did feel weird seeing all the younger fans obsess over him and the other creators
im older than him 😅 i dont know if i belong in the stan box though
@@yupinaa yeah that was my experience in the Dreamsmp fandom actually - a LOTTTTT of teenagers were pretty obsessed with him and other creators like TommyInnit or Ranboo. Which like. I mean it makes sense lol teenagers are going to be obsessed with celebrities, especially celebrities their own age and even celebrities older then them. It's been a thing since like at least the 60s, right? The problem comes with crazy stalker fans who take things WAYYYYY farther than a couple of goofy fanfictions tbh. There was a survey on Tumblr a while back where they asked the ages of Dream stans there and roughly 80% were between 18 and 28 - with 12% below 18 and 5% above 30 which I found really interesting. (Obviously Tumblr is different than twitter but you get the idea)
yeah that's been my experience with it too. I think the DSMP fanbase was a LOT younger then most dream stans and therefore ppl get the two confused. doesn't help that both have dream in the name - probably makes it more confusing for people who can't/don't want to put in the effort to tell the two fanbases apart.
yeah that's always been funny to me because I WAS a dream stan for 4 entire years and I was always SUPER on the young side? I'm 19 now and the gc I joined when I was first starting contains literally 4 people who have children, and about 10 people who are whole adults either working or in college. The only minors are like. A 17 year old who joined the fandom Last Year lol. Majority of "big name fans" are in their 20s and most people I knew were like. My age and older.
I love how Dream debunks Charlie by taking his jacked pics.
thank you for the video. I had no idea what was going on and this drama has thousands of tweets, a video of a guy yelling slurs, 25 pages and a 90 minute video and I'm only half way through all of these.
Have we not learned anything from the Kwite situation?
As long as there are people young enough, egotistical enough, or flat-out _delusional_ enough to think they can get away with this, there's never going to enough of these situations to make people learn.
Better yet, have we not learned from the fake Slazo allegations from YEARS ago?
This is before the Kwite drama well this saga of dramas surrounding dream for the most part are before it
These things are so dumb. People are bloodthirsty af. I can’t imagine having nothing at all to worry about except some Internet personality or drama and making it your whole thing. Life is way too fucking hard to worry about this shit or try and make things up and pretend like a victim or falsify evidence for someone you hate. Like, do these people not have jobs, bills, family or anything? Dk they have perfect, rich lives where they ain’t got shit to worry about? It’s insane to me
it's almost like the internet can't handle serious accusations and it should be left to the authorities instead
God damn, that's a thorough response. Possibly the best "apology video" on RUclips.
Ironically all these controversies ultimately ended up making me respect the guy who these people tried to destroy. Until this point everything I've heard and seen about Dream made me dislike him, even if we disregard all the grooming accusations and such. He was pretty much the exact kind of youtuber I don't like. But now, after they put him in spotlight and he finally took his time, thought things through, did all the necessary preparations and either demolished the accusations or admitted he screwed up when he genuinely did so, I can't help but to think better of him. I would have been fine hating him as just another cringy, stupid and immature minecraft youtuber who let the fame get into his head but these morons made him show that he actually has both brains and spine somewhere within him.
My sister told me very vague details about the situation (cause that’s all she knew about it) and I was like “how tf is that dreams fault? That kid sounds like a fuck nut and he needs to be held accountable” and she freaked out on me saying that Dream at 27 shouldn’t be hanging out with a drunk 19 year old and she made it sound like they were hanging out in Clays person home or some thing and that he made uncomfortable advances towards the actor but as soon as I googled it I easily saw that it was not true and that most of the allegations against him are not true. But like my younger sister the kids on Twitter cannot be swayed even though the actor kid should absolutely be cancelled because he didn’t just berate Clay BUT A RANDOM ASS INNOCENT UBER DRIVER and he should be barred from future roles and should have his fan base completely stripped HE should be canceled not Clay even though I literally never liked Dream ever I still think the whole situation is so fucking frustrating
Man, when I look at this VS Kwite, it really shows how likability of the person comes into play
The reception for Kwite's video and the general public response is so different from Dream's public response, like people really really want to hate Dream... It's sadistic
I long for the day false accusers get their just desserts. Fuck anybody who does this
Im not sure if Kwite was in the gaming community though, more so general fandom stuff. I dunno if the hate is coming from people who already hate games or minecraft.
@@lilacpenguin5329kwite branchs many fandoms due to versatile of his channel so it could be both ngl.
The way people celebrated Cantu’s outburst is absolutely fucking unhinged behavior. So many of these people claim to be “allies” but as soon as the LITERAL SLURS BEING USED AS INSULTS AND SLURS are aimed at a guy they hate, suddenly it’s okay. No. It’s not okay. I’m speaking as a queer and neurodivergent person, and seeing the people who keep saying “omg go off call him out” when Cantu was straight up calling dream the f slur, the r slur, and more makes me feel disappointed and sad at the state of people’s morals these days. If the only thing preventing y’all from calling me a slur is the fact that I’m not Dream, then that is not fucking allyship, that is straight up what I’d call “having zero moral compass”. You either believe these are slurs or you don’t. And clearly, these people are doing little more than pay lip service to actual important causes bc their friends said so on the internet without actually thinking deeper about why these causes are important and how to participate in them as a member of society.
I never understood that. Like "Its ok, they did something _really_ bad so Its fine to call them a gay slur" what?? You can't be an ally but also think the worst insult, saved for particularly vile people, is basically "you're gay"
Cantu is pan.
Also queer and neurodivergent- i thought that shit was funny af
@@saladcuck855that’s not really the point, but if he is that almost makes it worse. The point is that the slurs are not being reclaimed by him, he is straight up using them *as slurs* as in he is using them with the intent to harm, denigrate, and insult someone. Aka: literally the reason why we say “do not use slurs”. This is what I mean, btw, by “people not knowing why certain movements exist”.
i think its so harmful that so many people have praised his behavior because, as seen in the original video, the dude already thinks so highly of himself and clearly thinks he's untouchable. the internet literally went ahead and confirmed that for him. and the language he used was so disgusting!!! i couldn't care less if he was pan and neurodivergent because he used the slurs as SLURS. he wasn't out there reclaiming the slur calling himself a f****t, he was using it with the full negative connotation that the word usually has when said by a homophobe. on top of that he wasn't even directing all of the insults at dream, he was literally sitting there degrading the driver for most of the video. oh he's autistic so he gets to tell the driver he has down syndrome??? 😭 LIKE BE FR if it was anybody else who filmed that video nobody would be praising that kid.
also i find it incredibly ironic that he went on and on about how he's the michelangelo of our time and how there will be a statue of him erected in gold meanwhile nobody even calls him by his name, everybody literally just calls him gumball. 💀
This is a great example of why bullying people DOES NOT and will not work. Most importantly, unlike many like to suggest, it never worked. Dream is weird. Being weird isn't a crime. You don't have to like weird, hell you can even hate weird if you're really that boring of a person, but there's nothing inherently wrong with solely being weird. Let's not act like it's a conscious choice he's making. Dude's just bein who he is; your reaction to that is YOUR problem and YOUR problem only.
People say they support those with mental illnesses until they start to show the symptoms of said illness. People say they want equality until that means they have to tolerate people they don't like for whatever reason, whether it be ablelism, racism, homophobia, sexism, you name it. People say they want freedom until they realize that would mean everyone else is free to do what they please as well. Point is, people say things they don't have any assemblence of an understanding about just because they hear other's say it and then they just run with it as a fact at face value because that's what they see other people doing. They don't think, they just speak. These are the worst kinds of people. Moral of the story: Don't be this type of person; they're stupid. Do whatever the fuck you want, be whoever the fuck you are, and don't let idiots stop you from doing something they're too afraid to do.
Another thing to show how hypocritical the internet is when it comes to saying things is when everybody started to bully him for his looks and making memes about him when he was already self-conscious of his face.
Like damn where did all of the "love yourself" and "you are beautiful the way you are" go.
@@montserratmarroquin400 Fr.
I’ve been taken advantage of when I was younger, it’s disgusting to see people make false allegations, because it just makes it so much harder for people to believe REAL victims. I fought so hard to prove I was telling the truth, and it just feels really scummy seeing people falsely accuse someone of that.
I do not like dream in the slightest, I think he goes too far in his parasocial relationship with his fans (but not in an illegal way) and I still think the way he responded to the minecraft cheating scandel was gross, but absolutely none of that justifies him being called a groomer and accused of serious crimes.
they called him racist, which is a fucked up accusation, so he apologized about something he didn't even have to apologize for, so he just took what he thought they were mad about and apologized for it. THE PEOPLE WERE THE ONES BEING RACIST BY EQUATING SONGS ABOUT DRUGS TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY ALONE??? they LITERALLY were saying "if you say songs about drugs are bad, then you hate black people. you are racist" it's so fucking dumb how people will back someone into a corner, forcing the person to "admit" wrongdoing, forcing them to apologize for stuff they most likely don't need to apologize for lowkey way too often... and then when the apology they FORCED THEM TO MAKE isn't up to their standards they find more reasons to cause suffering. i am so done with that shit. i wouldn't apologize. i just wouldn't.
All this seems to show me that the worst crime you can commit on the internet is being cringy/a jerk/insufferable. People will forgive anyone of anything short of child predation (and even then) or similarly heinous acts, as long as you're charming, "based", or attractive (the "I can fix her/him" meme is a popular example of this). But man, if people think you're cringe, it's friggin' over, man. People will not stop ever until you are ruined, turned into a laughinstock, and possibly even doxxed and brought to harm, ready to believe false allegations, twist your words, and, despite you constantly proving otherwise, refuse to believe you're anything but a horrible person.
It's astonishing to me that people would legitimately have rather Dream had been an actually awful, child harming degenerate than have said children be not victimized, just so they can feel justified and vindicated in hating him without having to defend it or be on the receiving end of all the crap they gave him.
Why? BeCaUsE cRiNgY mInEcRaFt YoUtUbEr!
Hey, Jimmy. I just found your channel through the latest Nick Green video. I was a former subscriber of him and I felt really safe watching your video. You were clearly committed to showing us why he might be a dangerous person to support online and did it in the best way possible. Thanks a lot for that, you bet your ass I’m staying ❤
I feel like the worst things you can say about dream, is that he's cringy and he cheated in Minecraft speed running.. which both are very low stakes problems imo.
Genuinely fuck people who make false abuse/sa/grooming/child sa accusations. It’s disgusting
It's truly detestable what these haters are willing to do to ruin someone mentally just because he's not your type of content creator. TO REACH OUT TO VICTIMS WITHOUT PERMISSION, is wrong. To support Nicolas, when he was clearly not in the right mindset, was wrong. To do all these things, just because you don't like him? Absolutely the lowest of lows.
I begun watching Dream since his peak in 2020, and still come back to his content from time to time. And to come back to this was such whiplash. But I'm glad he stood up for himself and shot down all these accusers. Yes, he may not be as adept in online navigation as others, but I'll be damned if he didn't mean well. What he spoke about was truly brave of him to do, and we all respect that.
Thank you for the recap, Jimmy, and cheers to everyone here who wasn't these foolish haters. Y'all are the real ones, fr.
I do not understand this wide sweeping opinion that dream is weird. He seems like an exceedingly normal 20-something year old guy and yet everyone that talks about him is like “the only thing he’s guilty of is being weird!” Like sorry, do weird people play one of the most popular games in the world, wear football jerseys, use social media and play pop rock music? That’s what kids are calling weird these days??? I just don’t see it lol
He’s just cringy, his music and his performances in particular. That’s subjective though, so to outright call him a weird person objectively is equally as cringe
It was almost as if people just wanted a "morally justified" reason to harass a guy, and didn't care what that exact reason was.
yeah he's just some gen z white guy idk what the big deal is
I only know that people think he’s weird after coming to this comment section loll
I personally adore his personality (a bit carefree, likes parody and jokes, and knows what he’s good at and can admit fault). Got a good chuckle when he mentioned that he was undefeatable in ping pong that night.
Hi Jimmy, just wanna say I love your content, and I'm sure this video will be on point. It's hard to find commentary that is nuanced and well researched. Most RUclipsrs just throw a video out as fast as possible using the most popular opinion. It's nice to see that the want for long form content is changing that.
i HARD agree. i only watch this guy for insightful opinions on internet drama. i don't trust big commentary accounts who look for stories which will give them the most clicks.
@@thealmightybucket5930 Honestly, alot of the time I end up disappointed with other commentary channels. Especially ones who make grandiose claims or speculations.
I think a lot of commentary has gotten mean, like cruel. Like 2016 reacting to 'cringe' cruel, except these creators hide behind leftist views and a 'don't send hate to this person' disclaimer, instead of just owning the toxicity (like old commentators used to do, not saying they were any better though).
A good example was that couple doing a 'love rush', which was very 'cringy' and hard to watch. They were full on bullied by commentary channels, who then reacted to a video of the tiktoker in question crying about it, only to laugh and try to diminish her upset.
I agree with both of you especially as someone who watches commentary on EVERYTHING Jimmy is sooo nuanced and unbiased which is super refreshing
@@tasha1955 yeah i agree. i used to watch commentary youtubers religiously, and little by little i've been unsubscribing from them over the past couple years. most recently i unsubscribed from this guy called nickisnotgreen, because he was so vindictive and rude with his commentary it was hard to watch. this trend is so prevalent right now, so i'm glad i've found one guy who does insightful commentary that is unbiased and good-spirited.
I don't like dream, but i can sympathize with the groomer stuff being fake bc im going thru that shit too, people waterdown shit too fucking much.
Same here I got called a pdf file a little while ago for having a platonic friendship with a 14 yr old girl when I was 16(I’m 19 now) & was accused of “coming onto her” when she was the one who broke up with her boyfriend to try & get with me even though I was already dating someone at the time. Shit was crazy & both the girl that did all this & the one who accused me blocked me after I pulled out the receipts 😭😭😭
@@blu7384😬😬😬
If I was a man I’d just avoid younger women at all costs. I’d rather be mean than painted as a groomer, such a hard reputation to shake
@@blu738414 with a 16 year old wouldn't even be close to pedophilia in the first place
People around you are beyond stupid
I think Dream response video was perfect and showed how people won’t give him a chance to grow at all and just how much people hate him
Danm, Dream really got the short end of the Influencer stick.
I mean he 100% did cheat in his MC run. Thats about it.
Yup 100%. I'm not hunting him down for it or spreading hate but its sure enough to dislike the guy.
Dream is weird, but he's also rich. That's why these people are making these false accusations. Because if they tried being the type of weird they are they wouldn't get a red cent.
But the fact that Dream gets money for his type of weird? They hate his guts. Another reason is that some of these people have a savior complex and want to be the big hero stopping the bad villain.
Thank you for covering this, especially for adding those recent tweets at the end. Too many people are covering their ears and refusing to listen, even when the burner accounts admit they don't actually know anything from the source.
I’m not a dream fan and have never really liked his content but gd going so far to make false accusations off this calibre is insane
So many people are angry that there aren't any victims like dude tf.
Its always insane to me how people refuse to do the most basic level of googling when accusations like these are made 😩 the amount of times ive seen that a creator was disliked and accused of doing something horrible only to look into it myself and see nothing wrong or something innocent being read in a bad faith way is insane
I just think it is absolutely amazing how dream endured those allegations and was able to make a video disproving every single one.
I really liked this one, Jimmy. I feel you've got this unbiased perspective on things, and thats really valuable. Have a happy holidays!
I've never understood why people hated him so much in the first place???
Dream is one of the example where one mistake + being a cringe celebrety + having a bad fandom can easily make you a easy target for Twitter (X's) people to just hating and making false accusation. Not to mention, due to Elon Musk's desicion to make people buying the blue mark, a lot of fake account just created fuel for the already burn reputation.
You can hate him for all you want but making a heavy accusation and causing harm to him and people related to him is a crime. People by now should have learn not to do sth like that
Holy shit.
all because of a FAKE MINECRAFT SPEEDRUN?
What a society we live in.
Yea people would not let that go, like I understand that the way he reacted might have been bad (as other people have said) or if you’re a Minecraft fan but it’s going to be 2034 and people are still going to be like "omg Dream is still a liar because he didn’t do the speed run"
I don’t like dream for his cringey ass content and how he supports the fans, or not support but doesn’t dismiss it publically. But I’ll say, I have mad respect for him to take the time and compile evidence before saying “nuh uh” to allegations. It’s really showing how shit media is still swatting him over disproven allegations just because they don’t want to admit it.
I still find this situation insane. I used to watch his manhunt videos, bc I thought they were fun. And like some months later I find out about him cheating. I felt it was scamy however it was not a huge deal, bc the gameplay skills he had were still impresive. Just sad that he had to force his luck. And I feel like after that it just went downhill with him. I got like the feeling form the internet that he was hated, but never really found out. I do not have twitter so I guess I was not as gullibale bc of that. And I honestly always had doute about if thoses things were ture, due to no yt I follow making an expose video. And now I find out how bat shit crazy this situation is. I do honestly feel bad for him. Just alone for him trying to get doxxed and swated. And EVEN his family. Thoese people just feel horrible. I do not know how that was even normilesed. That´s the crazyest part of it all.... As an teenanger I wanted to also do yt but nowadays do so do not feel like it, bc the internet starts to get crazy and just has 0 regards for your private live.
Bro sticked to his promise and made it through the REAL LIFE MANHUNT. The internet left him at half a heart mental damage but as always, he pulled the most mind exploding clutch ever and won the game. The video was a slap across the entire internet's face, a marvelous counter attack packed through out time. Also thanks to the punch from Nic - Gumball, the world now knows the guy as an alcoholic, weed using, racist, horrible manners guy.
I hate people who use serious crimes as a way to dragged someone's name. Especially when it involves pedophilia. There are genuine victims who have to deal with actual predators who are influential and having their lives ruined to get the truth out. These allegations are not helping anyone. I hate Logan Paul but I won't immediately believe someone if they accuse him of grooming.
Thanks for making this video. The whole situation was bothering me a bit because it all seemed very disapprovable and I was confused as to why so many people were digging into dream so much for seemingly nothing. I’m not even a dream fan, it was just sad to see all these allegations flying around and so much toxicity and hate. I really do not want this to be the state of the internet just because you don’t like someone.
98% of dream's problems literally could be solved if he just never used twitter. He's just a weird guy that's good at minecraft, it's honestly very depressing how just being the internet's punching bag for so long honestly ruined his life and brand so heavily.
Dream should deadass SUE all those little punks.
If they’re a child they cannot sue them legally.
@@Rolkey He can sue the parents :3
god this entire thing angers me so much bcs some of my friends were so caught up in 'hating on dream is the morally right choice' and im like GIRL............ARE YOU SURE THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SPENDING YOUR TIME ON.................
There was the recent guy who was accused of being a pedo and he wasn't but he ended himself. :(
Illumina?
Is that Inquisitor on Tiktok?
inquisitor@@Speed249
Tiktok is such a bizarre app. It has all the best parts of vine and all the worst parts of qanon-level reality denial all rolled up into an app that will seriously try to convince you that volcanoes are actually just the roots of trees that hold up the sky or some shit. I'm really worried about how social media acts as an amplifier and accelerator for the existing human tendency to telephone game one or two people's dumb ideas into big dumb conspiracies.
Dream is far from the most perfect person, but good lord the amount of harassment and animosity he gets is so annoying. And while yes his fanbase is annoying...what fanbase _isn't_ annoying?
I honestly feel that Dream only is hated because it's popular to hate him and because of his fanbase. The whole cheating thing didn't help matters as well.
This whole thing feels like something that Lily Orchard once said about a different community: "If people see you on top, they see you as a threat and will do ANYTHING to tear you down."
It’s true. Ask any successful young artist, creator, or actor attending college.
She really isn't one to talk about that if we're being honest
Heya Jimmy! I recently discovered your channel and just wanted to say your videos are amazing! Concise, informative, well thought out, and very easy to watch! I can’t wait to see you grow more, man!
I used to be a pretty big Dream fan and dropped out of the fandom when Amanda posted her accusations. I did feel at least unsettled enough that I didn't want to subject myself to the anxiety of it all, that I left the fandom. While I do think that leaving the fandom was good for me in general (even as a non-active lurker) because they do have a tendency of being...very rabid, I can confirm your observations that people just fucking ran with any story. The stuff you mentioned in the video doesn't even scratch the surface of stuff he has gotten shit for over the years, that was either blown wildly out of proportion or extremely exagerated. He did have a tendency of reacting badly to criticism, but the sheer amount of shit he got literally all the time, was genuinly absurd.
I kind of don't blame Dream stans for being kinda cultish because it genuinly felt like no matter what you, did people kept just straight up make shit up to be mad about and you had to defend him in the face of people willing to believe literally every bad thing ever said about him.
I'm not saying all criticism was without merit, like i said, he was pretty shit at reacting to stuff sensibly and he did say some pretty thoughtless shit over the years, but the level of vitriol wasn't justified.
I ended removing myself from the whole environmemt of the fandom pretty forcefully when the allegations came out because I did believe Amanda and I've been avoiding anything to do with dream for pretty much months because it genuinly felt like detoxing from a cult-ish environment.
This video is the first time, pretty much since the allegations dropped, that I actively tried to inform myself about the situation and I was fully prepared for this to be a damning expose of all the shit dream has ever done, so I was genuinly surprised when I saw the title. I generally trust your coverage of a situation to be pretty fair and to do your research, so you making a dream friendly video is the most compelling argument for him i've seen in a while. I absolutely refused to force myself through the sludge of public opinion.
I can only say, that your observation of dream being a weird guy, who's bad with criticism and who gets a lot of shit for basically nothing, matches my experiences of witnessing those situations while i was a fan before the allegations dropped.
Your story is also a good example to debunk what some people say that his fans are brainwashed and won't ever believe any accusations against him.
I remember when Amanda started the allegations, how it spread and how SO MANY of the fans left the fandom, a lot of them by the same reason as you: believing in Amanda.
It also happened with the Burner 22, a lot of people being unsure about sticking with Dream or not, a lot of anxiety and bad energy going around the fandom.
dream needs to sue for defamation
But he's too nice bruh
@@DeviserVinceexactly, even that police lady told him he should sue for slander
I've got no personal investment in this stuff, don't give a darn about Dream and never have. But I still enjoy and appreciate you coverage of this. Dream really does just seem like an awkward person who who didn't know how to handle the abrupt amount of fame and being someone who people just wanted to see crash and burn just because they didn't like him. Even if it meant falsifying things about him. I'm glad there's someone like you out here to cover these things. You always go over your topics in such a clear and concise manner and never feel bias towards it, just like you're covering the available information, sharing your findings, and how you see it with the information you have. Keep up the great work man.
This is crazy, I've watched his videos but am far from a Stan, always been a "seperate the artist from the art" situation and as such I've had my ear vaugly on the ground for most of these allegations.
To see that it's literally all falling apart both follows my expectations and WILDLY exceeds them, my attitude on dream as a guy has actually improved over this which is genuinely surprising
thanks for doing the good work you do ❤
as someone who's been following him since 2021, it's so refreshing to finally see someone use their critical thinking skills when it comes to his controversies. he's ass at PR and i don't think his approach with handling his fanbase is all that great, but he's far from the manipulative, sinister and evil person the internet wants him to be so they can have a reason to hate him. hate him because he's cringe! hate him because of his cheating, and hate him because of the way he handles his fanbase! hate him because you just don't like his vibes!! there's no need to make shit up so you can sit on your moral high horse and pretend to be a warrior for issues you clearly don't care about!
being a fan of the guy this past year has been hell, because while there exists a massive amount of bias in his favour, a large portion of fans looked really deeply into the situation to make sure they weren't supporting a groomer. i was one of them, and i like in the video, i came to the conclusion that i wasn't given any reason to believe the claims, and i was given multiple reasons to not believe them.
regardless, i sat back and watched as hundreds of people said to fans that were victims of grooming and sexual abuse that they were "too old" for him, and that "they were next." thousands of disgusting comments targeting real victims. the past year has made it incredibly clear that this was never about supporting victims, it was just about supporting whatever to ensure dream's downfall.
Man do I know nothing about much less care about Dream but Twitter seems to think I do. As an unbiased observer, this very much feels like bullying in the current day. It’s not enough to simply clown on someone because you don’t like them anymore. You need to justify it! Perhaps they said a slur or they are the worst kind of person that no one would defend if true. Well is it true? I don’t know that’s now for the accused to prove. It just kind of sucks man!
I feel like every content creator has a reputation and once it’s in the red like sharks people pounce. The Completionist had a good reputation it took a while for the accusation to hit even when he admitted to it and would have gotten out just fine had he apologized with no legal action threatened. Meanwhile, Dream had the Minecraft cheating scandal and let’s not forget his most vocal audience are like young girls right? Historically things young girls like are made fun of, dismissed and called stupid.
The reason RUclipsrs are speaking out against this stuff is the internet is fickle. Dream is the target now but what happens when he is off the menu? Got to find a new target right? One misstep or cringey moment and congratulations you are now on the menu. It’s dangerous! What’s funny is if Dream did the unimaginable because of these allegations how many of these people would quickly change their tune. Like I said the internet is fickle and tomorrow if you are a creator you can be on the menu.
Yes that's whats dream was trying to explain to towards the end of the video.
What he say abt how these people don't care about the allegations, they don't care about the person involved. They don't care if it's fake. They only care to see him fall.
This isn't the first time it has happened too. I hate and love the "Cancel Culture" but people are abusing it and targeting the wrong people. In this case, Dream.
It’s definitely bullying? I seen a shit ton of people defending Cantù just he was beefing with dream
dang, this is really a well researched video. Even going as to researching stuff beyond dream's the truth video. Well done, definitely will subscribe!
Am i the only one who thinks 17 & 20 is not the end of the world 😭 we know it didnt happen but still its not the first time ive seen an age gap that wide and the worst part for me was that when the allegations qere reposted her age gets like lower and lower. Id be at work talking to my coworkers like
"Do you know dream?"
And theyd be like:
"Isnt he that Minecraft youtuber that like 11 yos?" 😢
But if its just three years lowkey i think its being blown way out of proportion. Especially considering no one would have had much to say about it if the events transpired months after.
I do tend to agree that calling someone a pedophile for an age gap that could easily describe many relationships in a public high school is a bit far.
Not defending people calling dream a pedophile at ALL first of all, but the 17-20 y/o thing would def be a bit problematic (if it wasn’t proven that she was actually 18 n all that was said about it in this video). A 3 year age gap is definitely not a big or creepy one, but the maturity gap between a person in their late teens and a person in their early twenties is the actual problem. Not to mention power dynamics between a content creator and their fan. Not claiming this situation was problematic in particular tho, just explaining why it could’ve been
Eh, I wouldn't call a 20 year old a straight up p*do for dating a 17-19 y/o. It _can_ be more likely to be a problematic / abusive relationship, but honestly, that _really_ depends on the specific relationship dynamics.
I've had classmates who - at age 19 themselves - dated 14 y/o or below. THAT is no question p*dophilic behaviour. 20 and 17? Never would call that p*dophilic but it can cause issues regarding power dynamics, especially if the 17 y/o is still in school and the other person starts out with "the real life" lol ^^
@@cooraa ^^ this too. While a 20 year old going after a 17 year old is predatory, it’s nowhere NEAR pedophilic.
@@cooraaYeah, it depends too on the country because in my country, you get into college when you were 15. So you see these 15 year olds in the same college as a bunch of 18-20 year olds and they are all in somewhat the same situation where they are getting stressed with school and has no job yet. Although in my experience, it was usually a 17 and a 19-20 year old being in a relationship and when the older one graduates, they helped the younger one pay for college. There could be an argument that the older one must not pay for the younger one since they would be beholden to you and thus creating a power dynamic, but living in a 3rd world country, thats kinda a blessing. That ultimately comes back to the statistics where poorer countries have couples that have higher age gap, because whether we like it or not, survival sometimes hinges on one of the couple being in a more stable situation.
In the end, I dont want to judge couples that have large age gaps, but I will definitely judge someone who dates someone 15 below as a new adult in the western world. 20 below if the other party is in their 30's. And 14 below in the poorer nations.
My only 2 gripes that i immediately had with this response were that
-A. There was no proof that Jamie acctly wrote that msg, he coulda just typed it out himself
-B. U can restrict someone on insta, their msgs wont pop up on ur main dash anymore. Yes they can still msg u but it is fair easier to ignore
otherwise i think he did an AMAZING job defending himself, even though i dont rlly have a stake in this one way or the other and just don't generally trust rich/famous ppl ngl
Actually there was a similar message that was received from jamie to another content creator kemstar idk if its real but it is true that the video was made before his response-
If she didnt write the msg she could post saying otherwise. Dream used proof that COULD be proven wrong easily IF it werent true, and yet, jamies description only echos the meaaage in that video, so how much can you really doubt it? What would he have had to do to make that quote provable when she doesnt WANT to be included, record her voice, or make her acct public to make a statement?
@@LimeG0ds I’m not saying she couldn’t have written it, I’m just saying there’s a chance she didn’t and I understand why he chose not to use actual proof that she wrote it to help keep her more anonymous. It’s just things to think abt
Regardless I think the “evidence” that she was groomed was lacking regardless, so whether or not it’s real there’s no other evidence she was acctly groomed
In the end, whether it’s real or not, I don’t think he groomed anyone, at least anyone who’s “come out”
I don’t have Instagram so I have to ask, if you block someone do they know they’re blocked? Maybe that’s why Dream didn’t block because if Dream did block them then they would be crying about being blocked.
@@elif6908If u BLOCK then yes they do know
HOWEVER, if u RESTRICT theyll have no idea
31:51 no, some people were sharing it as if the evidence was real. I couldn't tell who was just trolling, or conducting their own social experiment and who was actually dumb enough to believe it, but it proved Dream's point, for sure.
Dream needs to sue for defamation
I just do not get the hate boner people have for him. Like jeez.
Thank you for breaking this down in an easy-to-understand way. I have watched Critical's video but still didn't really understand what the hell was even going on and the last I had heard of dream was his face reveal when everyone called him ugly and said he kind of looked like Mac Tonight. Poor guy, he's just an awkward kid who wanted to play minecraft on stream. I'm the mother of a little girl and that part about his mom getting swatted bc she thought it was the pizza for she and his little sister hit me hard. 😢
Great video! There are other commentary youtubers spreading misinformation even after the dream video and claimed to have watch it. RUclipsrs like Drama Kween still call him a groomer.
i did watch the full video and i think you did an amazing job summarizing it and commentating. it's genuinely embarrassing how many people will spread things off of secondhand information while never checking the "evidence" for themselves
It is wild to me that open police investigations are public knowledge in Florida. It seems dangerous to let a potential perpetrator walk into a police department and get a full report of the allegations.
i waited months to watch this video. i used to be a fan of dream (mostly george tbh), but stopped after being retraumatized multiple times by the repeated (allegedly false) allegations of sexual misconduct involving minors. honestly my interest in him and his content was the result of a hyperfixation during the darkest times of my life, i had no say in how much interest i had and how emotionally involved i was. for a really really really long time i wasn't even able to read or watch anything about dream including defenses or critiques of him, both logical and emotionally driven. i feel a really odd mixture of relief and upset to see that a lot of the evidence points in his favor, that people were lying about something so serious. it feels weird to say that being a fan of him in online spaces was a (re)traumatizing experience, but... it was. i'll be working through a lot of problems rooted in my time in that fandom in therapy for years to come. either way, thank you for making this video. based on your previous videos i feel like i can trust you to take a nuanced approach based in seeking truth and basic human empathy, something that is Sorely lacking on the internet these days
edit: to be clear, i was an adult the entire time i was a fan and didn't really interact with any other fans directly
Im so ready to see your take on this after seeing all the bad ones that came out early into the situation
i have seen 3 videos about this before your video and damn you are the only one who covered most of this. i had not heard of the Amanda thing or the bar thing before
You got the first info wrong. The dms he said were real were not Anastasia. Those were proven false almost immediately. That response from dream was his initial response to Amanda.
Dream should ABSOLUTELY take legal action against this person. These are SERIOUS allegations and make it harder for REAL victims. These people even if they are young should have real consequences. This is NOT ok. I don't think this should be brushed off or normalized. He should take ALL the legal action he can against them. period. These are allegations that should be taken seriously and playing games like this is SO damaging to real victims and good decent people. If we don't have consequences and set real standards , this is going to get out of hand and many real victims will be ignored.
It would be interesting if you did one of these on Pro Jared; at first glance, it's a very similar case and particularly the outcome (a response from the accused with several "receipts" that disproves everything)
The thing about dream "not responding well to criticism" i don't get at all, because he literally responded in the best way possible. And it wasn't just "criticism", it was slander, defamation, swatting, and other stuff that he had to deal with, all in the span of a year. And however much it appears that he cares way too much about what random people online think about him, its actually the complete opposite. He's actually pretty indifferent to alot of the hate he receives(stuff about him being cringe or ugly or weird), you would know that if you were one of his viewers. Because he knows who he is, and they don't. So no, he handled the situation pretty well imo, and alot better than many other people could have.
Oof. I gotta say, I didn't know much about Dream, but I remember feeling very negative towards him when that video of that drunk kid dropped bc I didn't have the context. So glad I stumbled on this. I feel awful for making judgments. Great reminder to do research. Great vid!
Damn, this was all happening to dream? All I knew is that dream cheated on a run and all was erased. This is like some Documentary level criminal investigation and find out the dude just made some mistakes and twitter/internet being toxic as hell.
And that's scary!
Jimmy you are so thorough! You always bring a different (and full 360 degree) perspective to current events. I truly value your in depth research. The internet needs more trustworthy people like you.