The Plot Against Alex Kister
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2024
- Alex Kister is known best for being the mind behind "The Mandela Catalogue". However, Alex has now found himself at the center of a sea of allegations. And Alex Kister's response might just have revealed the truth behind it all.
This video is a breakdown of the recent drama involving Alex Kister.
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Hey all, Ven posted a short document today announcing that they would be deleting their Twitter and ending their push against Alex. The TL;DR is Ven apologizing for their actions and explaining that what started with concern led to things going too far, including Ven acting and speaking in a "transmisogynistic" way. It's only three pages so you can check here for their full statement: shorturl.at/dhs59
Ven is still a horrible person. Nothing changed, but i hope they change for the better.
@@user-xi5tp4pi6c he is a horrible person bro he is disgusting bro tried to make a person look like he is manipulating others while he was manipulating the said person and turning his fans and relationships against them.
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I'll probably say that Alex Kister is officially innocent and the whole drama is probably over (I hope)
@@ravendark118 i believe ven needs to go to jail 💀
...so he "groomed" a 20-year-old when he was 19??
Well....to be fair, older people CAN be taken advantage of by people younger than them, believe it or not. Grooming in general,refers to a manipulation tactic used to exploit the trust of a person in a relatonship with the groomer by using their-vulnerabilities, insecurities,issues etc. against them.
TLDR:ANYONE CAN BE A VICTIM.It is simply a matter of circumstances that, causes these situations to happen in the first place.
Hope,this helps.Also,let it be known that,for now I am sort of neutral on this entire matter and simply hope that,Alex isn't a kiddie fiddler.
I see what you're getting at but grooming can happen between people of any age
Bruh every one knows that the word "grooming" has a context to it referring to a person over the age of consent using manipulation to sexually get at a person under the age of consent. This "well...." Explanation is completely unnecessary, but okay @@kazimrittika783
The meaning of grooming is literally an adult manipulating a minor.
@@kazimrittika783 I think it's best to just use the word manipulation and keep the grooming word for overage to underage.
Knowing that Alex is 19 and getting yelled at for simply talking to minors is wild. He's still a teen himself. This is such a Tumblr callout post
19? Wasn't he born in 2003? That would make him 21. I still don't think it's a big deal or difference though
@@nickelakon5369 alex was 19 at the time.
I’m 17 and have friends who are anywhere between 19 and 21, I knew all of these people when I was younger, or they’re friends of my friends. It’s wild people think that teens can’t be friends with teens 💀
@@t3knosoulz I thought by saying "is" they meant now, my bad. I knew the stuff happened when he was 19
19 isn't a teen. It is a young adult.
They have responsibilities and understanding of the world like any other young adult. It causes more harm than good to put young adults in the category of teen
Not saying he was being predatory. I don't think he was.
People need to realize you can have a bad breakup and not paint your ex as the worst person who ever lived.
This. I feel like, in this day and age, a lot of younger people equate negative experiences as abusive or problematic. It’s a nuanced area.
Sometimes there is no abuse, just shitty people, misunderstandings, incompatibility and so on, sometimes tho there is abuse but that's much more systematic, either way it's always best to talk this out with friends and family first
You can also do it without being transphobic and abliest
“I consented but that doesn’t matter because Alex has subscribers” is fucking wild to me.
RIGHT?! My jaw hit the floor
@.@
Guys don't you know? Once you get subscribers consent no longer matters! It's ALWAYS Sa!
These people basically have the idea that once you have any semblance of power, you must die alone.
@@dabestboi7509 Callmecarson moment
getting real tired of all the recent 'accusations' that seem to boil down to, "i consented and/or gave zero indication that i wasn't interested, and at the time, i really liked their attention, but thinking back on it now, years later, it turns out I was actually vaguely uncomfortable, but never expressed it verbally or otherwise, therefore, this person is a predator who needs to be stopped!"
About 80% of the women I dated admitted to retroactive consent withdrawal. The only reason we are being made to see it now is because it can now be monetized
@@AnglophobiaIsevil7 uhh…how many women have you dated? 80% is a bit nuts for ppl to regret doing things with you.
I was actually going to mention one of the major ones I remember was actually one of the Vic accusations. It was by a man who said he was uncomfortable by what Vic was doing despite it being on video and showing no prior discomfort. It’s a bit unfortunate that you can’t even joke around with someone you think is a friend without them going “ahhh I was actually super uncomfortable with this 3 years ago but I didn’t want to disappoint the audience”. Wish ppl would just SAY things.
The worst thing about it is them appropriating actual trauma language to make their accusations seem so much worse. Mfs acting like they've got actual PTSD because they were slightly uncomfortable drives me up a fucking wall. The internet has severely coddled people while simultaneously destroying peoples idea of what normal relationships look like. If you're made to be slightly uncomfortable, you were abused now.
I agree that this shouldn’t be taken this far, but as someone who has experience with someone who made me extremely uncomfortable, I wasnt at all ready to confront the person about it for as long as I knew them. All that being said, I feel like that’s a conversation that needs to be had in private, and if and ONLY if the person doesn’t apologize, then that can be made publicly. I don’t sympathize very much with Ven due to how out of proportion this blew up, but I don’t think demonizing people who might feel uncomfortable with something that happened just for the reason that they didn’t speak out about until now is ok either. Granted, I haven’t watched the video, but this just bugs me in general.
@@Director_Balloon If you are an adult, and the person isn't harassing you or being inappropriate (such as at work, or the person being a family friend), and you are reciprocating the behavior, then it is on you to make it clear how you feel and lay down boundaries. That's part of being an adult, you are now responsible for your interactions with other adults.
This is what happens when people don't touch grass
Real comment,made my day
We are beyond that.
No more Touching the Grass. Get Naked and go outside on all Fours, and consume the grass. The only way we can get down to earth is to deny our Humanity and Moo like beautiful majestic Beasts as the Juices of the Lawn dribble down out Chin.
0 high school friends, thinks a 1 year age gap is far too bug
imagine getting mad at someone and cooking up the biggest nothing burger of a google doc because you had a bad break up.
Real holy shit
Fr
I saw a guy do that exact same thing, but the google doc is 800 pages long.
@@amusingmoose9924 LMAOAOAOAOOAO WHO????
@@kirbyppg BlessedSouthpaw. For someone so small, he’s got a ton of lore, but to sum up his deal as briefly as possible: he’s broken off years-long friendships because of disagreements over media TWICE. He made a 6 hour video about the first case, and his 800 page google doc is about the second case.
It really sounded like Ven wanted Alex dead and tried to get him to self delete
Ven's a total psycho for this.
Yup
I get what you mean but I think in the Alex document Their we’re screenshots where Ven did say they didn’t want Alex dead but it sounded very much like they wanted to ruin Alex’s life and career.
@@gorman1852 but given the context- Ven was aware of Alex’s mental health status and life and career being essential to one’s mental health, isn’t that the same thing? Wanting to destroy someone’s life and career is the same as wishing someone to be soy-icidal. Wishing someone to be soy-icidal is the same as wishing them dead.
@@gorman1852 in my opinion Ven, at the very least, must've been aware that suicide was a possible outcome here and was fine with that.
If Alex was doing well mentally, then Ven could say that it was unexpected, but he clearly wasn't well.
I think he either wanted him to die or didn't care that it was a real possibility
It’s like a shity puzzle that no one want to play but everyone is forced to just to be able to sleep an night
Based
you lose sleep over this stuff?
@@nicholas-dv1mg I’m just being dramatic because there’s so much RUclips drama
@@thematiasmadness7010 I'm pretty much the opposite, with all that has come up I'm tired of it, my empathy has run dry, even more so with all the fake stuff. of course, I say this, but I've watched most of the videos on them.
@@nicholas-dv1mg I mostly watch because I like hearing jimmy talk like a friend telling something he found while deep diving in the internet
Reading that Alex confided in Ven about being paranoid/scared of forming friendships/relationships because he felt scared someone would leak private and sensitive information(something content creators on a whole have to be worried about), even more likely if they break up, and then Ven going on to do exactly that while claiming Alex was still "paranoid", that hits me in such an enraging way. The absolute disgust I felt reading that gaslighting and manipulative bs....to directly acknowledge that your at the time friend or partner was scared about the very thing you're actively now doing and spouting bs about how it was unsubstantiated fears...
I knew little to nothing about this situation, but that alone makes me despise Ven.
Frankly, I am getting absolutely fed up with people weaponizing friendships or relationships they had that ended poorly, or ended at all, against content creators who ultimately either wind up innocent or its far more nuanced than wrong or right. Its absolutely disgusting behavior and feeds into the fear any CCs wind up having nowadays about any friendship or relationships, which has to be just a wonderful for mental health(sarcasm).
Absolutely wonderful video though!! I love that it goes over both sides, and you acknowledge the nuance in different areas of it.
@@Toki-np3xj I legitimately hate Ven's guts for this. This sort of shit is just not acceptable.
Alot of words just to say I support MAPS
@@thiscommentwillbedeletedso5211go back to ohio
@@thiscommentwillbedeletedso5211how so???????
the real victim in all of this is Alex, poor kid was being taken advantage of by obvious clout chasers for attention and he was to blind to see it at the time
then he lost his cat apparently around the time too
Not to mention, isn't Alex a Christian? I grew up and a Christian household and struggled hard with my sexuality vs my faith. I can't imagine a reality where that shit is put up on the internet.
like dude is getting destroyed by others because of someone else's personal vendetta
@@pawelzawrotniak3826probably end up on the news about murder
@@pawelzawrotniak3826because ven clearly enjoyed making people suffer
Imma be real: I’m lowkey kinda tired of people’s treatment surrounding mental health and the double standards of when everyone is all “mental health matters!!!” But when someone who is mentally ill displays symptoms all patience is literally gone. I’m not saying mental illness is a pass but dude come on that’s like saying you will help the sick and then getting really upset when someone coughs lol
Ppl respect disabilities until they annoy the person in question. Then it’s “how DARE you not handle them? Don’t you know you’re supposed to OVERCOME?!? For inspirational fuel??”.
Also annoying for ppl to just not be victims of anything victimize themselves. And then ppl coddle them. But actual victims are left in the dust cuz they’re not begging for help all the time, cuz they’re trying to “overcome” things that the rest of the population will hate them for.
Bullying people for having odd behaviors never went away after school, it just became weaponized through wording it as "protection" and got framed as a virtue.
people are accepting of disabled and mentally ill people until they show symptoms that dont line up with the "cute" way some of them are seen. if a person with anxiety has those "ugly" symptoms then they are a problem. it's similar to how if someone has autism or adhd, but their disability DOESNT have any useful effects or symptoms, when they dont have that upside, then they are thrown out and treated horribly again, while the people who were supposedly allied with them go on to the next person that they can be an "ally" to.
A lot of people online are virtue signalers. They want to feel good by saying nice things, and letting other people in their clique support and enable it. The reality is that most peeps online just doesn't care about people to the level they'd want you to believe. You can see this happen in real time every time someone (or a group of people) they like or defend does something they disagree with. Then it's sudden animosity, because everyone else and their clique are also upset, so they must get upset too. It's mob mentality, but even more stupid. And that's why I believe the internet should never be in control of being the sole deciders of serious situations. It's unreliable to let the average layman hiding behind a virtual persona make decisions. Especially in groups. Controversies should be handled in a court of law, not the internet.
@BelBelle468 THIS!!!! My parents have this mentality and I'm SO SO SICK of not being allowed to struggle
Even if Alex was a full grown adult, talking about LGBTQ topics isn't even usually sexual to begin with. The notion that describing your own identity is somehow grooming or sexual, makes me wonder if these people have ever had to explain to a child that they're married or have a girlfriend. "not accusing him of... " meanwhile "here, have a load of accusations"
It's a prime example of internalized homophobia/transphobia.
Preach!
It’s not grooming but it’s kinda sexual tbh considering you are talking about what’s down there with another person (I’m on Alex’s side tho)
@@soomitsunami5936
It's not sexual to talk about transgenderism, I learned about gender reassignment when I was 7 and I had no questions or discomfort. If you find the concept of people changing their genders to be inherently sexual then you need to think about your sexuality💀
@@TextbookSadass dude you are literally talking about what you have down there 👇 how is that not somewhat sexual
Intentionally manipulating someone’s partner after posting a “vague” threat aimed at them when you *know* they have a shaky mental state is genuinely so nefarious. Ven was definitely aware it would push Alex to the edge, and I don’t think the goal was just to get Alex to put the burden of his mental state on a minor. If you dislike your ex stop engaging with them, it’s free. Because all I’m getting from this is that Ven is bitter and frankly dangerous.
as somebody with some mental issues myself, that would seriously fuck me up bcs wtf... how are u gonna do that to someone like that and then get mad when they break?? 😐
As someone with terrible mental health issues as well as the same type of situation that is happening between alex and ven between me and my now ex’s best friend this has helped a lot perspective wise
i actually had a friend like this, someone manipulated them into hating not just me but EVERYONE in our group, completely ghosting us before coming back suddenly, and revealing all the shit that happened.
it’s like a fluttering memory.
Brilliant point but dude you just have to say a goofy ass word like NEFARIOUS
Ven is 100% an abuser. Everything they did towards Alex after they split up is text-book definition of abuse, right down to isolating Alex from his friends and family.
Holy crap, I honestly feel so bad for all the people who got manipulated by Ven. They're absolutely disgusting for being this malicious 😤
Don't feel sorry for them. People who jmp to conclusions without getting both sides don't deserve sympathy. If you're a decent human being, you act on facts and logic,not bandwagon onto an accusation because of your own feelings. All the people who sided with Ven still actively participated in driving Alex into a corner.
@@TenjinZekken Word
@@TenjinZekkenthat is true
you have a point
@@TenjinZekken true.
It really bothers me that we are now seeing relationship drama being presented like ... a serious matter. Like sometimes two people just don't make a good couple, sometimes personalities clash. Sometimes people even say mean things to each other. None of this warrants a fucking callout post trying to burn someone's reputation. The worst part is how many people will take stuff at face value and assume it's truth, or that the hyperbolic statements about someone's behavior is literal. To go around accusing people of being pedophiles, groomers, abusers... just because the relationship with them wasn't the best is so vile and it SHITS on actual victims.
All and I mean all of the allegations surrounding the inappropriate contact with children was left to the end of the document, and was even left under the header "miscellaneous". The bulk of the doc surrounded her pettiness about their past relationship
For real. There are so many cases, like this, where personal drama should be kept personal, no aired out on the internet.
Money and clout.
Always has been this way.
@chrisk5985 that's why I disagree with e saying in general because it's so much easier to then make that public.
@@mynameisambertoo7379 considering the part of the document you’re referring to also makes mention of “gr0oming” simply cuz Ven is trans…while also misgendering them is pretty funny.
Don’t take this the wrong way, it just made me laugh.
"verbal consent is irrelevant" over text it's practically all you can give 😭
just read the body language thru the screen, duuuuh
@@lakthederg why didnt i think of that????
as a trans teen, the ways alex was interacting with other trans people is very similar to what a lot of other trans groups experience. it doesnt come off as predatory in the slightest.
Yeah and 99% of the time safe spaces for ANYTHING are made by people who have gone through that thing or adults.
you are not trans, you are confused
the comment of 'dont safe spaces for lgbt teens typically have to be provided by adults' is so real. it would be like someone getting mad at the creators of, idk, neopets (to give a random example) because 'oh wow u want to have a space online filled with kids? weird.' like, kids deserve a spot to hang out too
Especially because how are kids going to have an understanding of how they could be/are being exploited until it happens. Adults are the ONLY people that can really provide that space, cause they either have been through it (unfortunately :/) or have enough life experience to be able to recognize what's happening.
I pointed out in another thread where someone is claiming that talking about gender is grooming, that conversations about gender identity are not inherently sexual anymore than a class on puberty and what happens during puberty is inherently sexual. Because that's an adult talking about LITERAL GENITALS with minors yet no one screams "GROOMER!!" at the health teachers!! Like, it's JUST EDUCATION. I swear these people would self delete if breathing required conscious thought. 😂
Not to mention, real life spaces for kids to hang out (like a park, or school) are extremely dangerous. Objectively, worse than an online forum of kids discussing their problems, since there’s actual deaths that can happen (some crazy guy has a gun, a pred snatches kids up, the play equipment isn’t safe, parents aren’t watching their kids) like, if you don’t want your lgbt kid to get groomed in one of those forums, you can just. . . Be an attentive parent.
@@dangerxbadger2300 The difference between the health teachers and the other thing is that the puberty thing is actually educational and isn't straight up p0rn persquading as educational
This happens in more areas than one, which is sad. I'm a teacher, I work with kids and I enjoy my job, I've gotten comments saying I'm a weirdo for that. Bro I never said I was trying to do anything weird, I'm just doing my job and having fun with it, is that illegal? Should nobody work with children?
I think what upsets me the most is that Ven claimed that he never wanted Alex to be harrassed while actively choosing to post a 27 page document on a website that is known for harassment & doxxing. I can’t take their apology seriously
and he even admit that the reason why he made that allegation was from " Burst of emotion with out logic "
And " want to ruin his career "
@@JustAn_Animator Also wanted Alex is off himself too
Nobody cannot "mistakenly" write a 27 document page, proofread it, plan it to have the intended outcome, and THEN spread it.
She knew what she's doing and she deserves the SSSniperwolf treatment for what she did.
When I was Alex's age, I got shamed for not interacting with people enough due to projects and University, meanwhile this is what Alex get for trying.
@@JustAn_Animator mm yes, you wrote this 70 part well-edited google doc in the heat of emotion. of course
The argument that it’s “predatory behavior” to talk to a teenager about gender identity is so damn disgusting.
One of my best friends is a teenager, I’ve known her before I became a legal adult and only found out about her real age recently and our entire friend group have talked to her and helped her with gender identity when she was questioning it. Am I suddenly a groomer for this?? For listening to my friend??
Social media has already made me feel like complete shit for being friends with people younger than me because it’s automatically assumed that I’m a bad person, when I met my best friends at a younger age to begin with (to be clear, I’m gonna be 22 this year, I met my friends when I was 17).
I feel you. I've had a group of friends in their twenties since I was 15/16. Now I'm 20 myself and can confidently say I was never manipulated or groomed.
DUDE i know how you feel! turning 22 this year myself and i help run a discord server with a community i came into when i was 17, just turning 18. i always feel so gross when i see how these friendships are villainized because like... im turning 22 now and some of my closest friends in the world are in that server, are part of that community. the internet as a whole has become a very dangerous slope and atp people are treating long-term friendships like they're automatically predatory or imbalanced if youre not the exact same age.
Honestly thanks for covering this, I am a HUGE fan of analog horror so when I first abt this vaguely I was quite sad. Im so happy you have tried to cover both sides so we can get the full story
Thank you, that means a lot to hear from a member of the community
Yes. This. I've watched MC and most every other analog horror series and have watched all of Alex's interviews with other creators I enjoy and his streams w Wendigoon and stuff so I'm so relieved it's just him being basically a terminally online 20 year old w depression, boundary issues and an anxious attachment style. BIG sigh of relief.
I'm trans myself and Vens usage of Alex's age and trans identity as "evidence" of grooming is, in fact, highly transphobic. The teens and Ven using their trans identity to shield themselves from criticisms is a hallmark of their internalized transphobia
I'm confused, is Alex trans?
As a person who doesn't support your "state of being" i do too agree it's messed up behavior. There is a difference between just existing and gro0ming kids to become like you. I'm not saying every trans person is like that I'm saying that there ARE some people in that community do that just not you. That is a big difference
@@MDG-mykysno he was just curious about himself.
@@DiamondWorldRUclips just to clarify, being trans isn’t an ideology. It’s just a state of being. You can disagree with the notion that they should be allowed to exist or believe that they should disregard their biological qualities that contradict the societal concept of “normalcy”. THAT would be an ideology.
@@BelBelle468 You put this so clearly, I liked how you explained that.
"Talking about being trans with minors is groøming" is, while not the first step, certainly A Step on the path to "... so any child around a trans person has absolutely been exploited and all trans people around children are evil bo bevil and must be stopped at all costs." The fact that Ven is ALSO TRANS and saying this is wild. The lack of self introspection and long term thought process - Ven is, by those same measures, also a danger to those same minors in the document, simply by having been trans around them.
You can stop being friends with someone and even hate them without needing to apply a moral reason to it. Like... you can break up with your ex just because it doesn't work. There's no need to justify your feelings with a massive Tumblr 2016 style callout google doc.
Yup it’s totally some dumb conservative shit, I can’t imagine a trans person saying any of that
Never understood the take of "I support lgbt people, but they should never be allowed around children."
Like how are you supposed to function in society without ever interacting with or being percieved by minors
It's also an easy transition into saying any trans minor was probably groomed to be that way
LITERALLY THIS EXACTLY. “Talking to kids about gender and sexuality is grooming” they literally sound like Ron desantis.
@@alliu6562 you mean Ron desant-ASS
Every single "accusation" these days has a "age gap" no greater than 4-5 years and its getting old.
I remember when I was 18 dating a 17 year old someone called me a 'Groomer' I was only a few months older than them, we were in the same school classes what are people meant to do just break up if one is becoming 18 lol
it’s gotta be like, a lack of high school relationships on their own, right??? i can’t see it any other way cuz EVERY HIGHSCHOOLER DATES OUT OF THEIR GRADE, maybe like 2 people actually date within, but majority are 1 or 2 grades separated.
@@lakthederg lol I dated within my range same year group & someone still had issues with it, my guess is they don’t want people dating until they are 18 long as they date fellow 18 year olds but than it’s like what’s the point of Prom if they don’t want anyone having romance before their adulthood
@@bradugar
That's fucking insane, you were literally mere months older than them? People are fucking tiring
@@TextbookSadass I feel it’s mostly a twitter thing like let’s bully the bearly legal 18 year olds dating instead of calling out actual injustices around the world. I don’t know how anyone can have the energy.
I guess people just think content creators should never make friends, never date, and never connect with anybody else ever again unless they all have the exact same number of subscribers, the exact same birthday, and the exact same amount of money in their bank account?
I said this when it first came out and I will say it again. All comments regarding children were left under the miscellaneous heading, and were left to the last third of the doc. The first parts of the doc was about THEIR personal relationship. It absolutely was a document that was trying to use personal grievances to destroy someone. You do NOT leave serious allegations to "miscellaneous". That's not how this works.
it’s like if a lawyer ranted about how the defendant was a bully to them in middle school and then offhandedly talked about the fact they murdered someone
@@lakthederg "He tripped me and my shoes fell off, he didn't hold open the door for me, and he admitted to punching a toddler"
I think i need to rewatch this later, bc i cannot comprehend why this is being framed as "accusations against Alex" and not "Venn is an unstable shit starter who cant leave their personal issue as a personal issue."
...You need to realize that he's looking at this from both perspectives.
@@NicoTheCinderace that's why I'm gonna watch it again later, I feel like I'm not wrapping my head around it.
Because that is objectively true. There ARE accusations against Alex. That doesn’t mean the accusations aren’t false, and just to give you a tidbit of what the video is about, he is bringing up BOTH sides (but imo, it feels like he is more on Alex’s side from what I’ve seen so far)
@@midnightmorpher9066which is logical because as the video explains Ven is basically a psychotic crap-stirrer who was pissed Alex didn’t wanna rekindle a relationship that only lasted for a few months
@@DG_Toti Precisely. Which is why it still pisses me off, and also confuses me, that a bunch of horror content creators AND content commentators jumped in to give support without trying to get Alex’s side??? Makes me sick.
We need to add “regret is not assault” to the list of things the internet needs to remember about callout posts.
It boils me to my core to see Ven completely ignore Alex being an actual person and instead focus on him just being a content creator.
ven reminds me of this girl who bullied me throughout highschool. she manipulated people who i was friends with into hating me. by senior year i lost all of my friends because of her. people like that are horrible
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When will people accept the fact that being cringe is not a crime, and that someone's personal failings (especially when there's no real evidence of actual foul play on their behalf) aren't some kind of circus to publicly broadcast, particularly when the grand reveal is motivated by a personal grudge born from a failed relationship.
Honestly, don't think it will ever happen. That's just kinda how this space has always been. I swear when people are on the internet they forget that these people are human and thus have human flaws, make human mistakes, they're not perfect. It's especially terrible for vulnerable people like Alex. Situations like this have taught me to not immediately trust what's being said online, cause I've been guilty of it in the past, including this case. Things like this is exactly why I'm terrified of having an online presence at all. I know I'm vulnerable, and I know some people can be awful, and with the right manipulative skills- you can get everyone else to believe that someone completely innocent did something unforgivable.
I don't understand how it's possible to make such well-researched videos as often as Jimmy.
A lack of sleep and sunlight goes a long way
He also takes his time unlike most commentary channels who put out videos every other day.
@@JimmyRobins You're a hero man
I'll never understand why people consider an age gap of more than 12-months a power-dynamic. I've been on my own since I was 19. If I was with someone who was 25 at that time who was still living with their parents, I would argue that I would have more power in the relationship. Maturity and circumstance matters
Yeah, it does depend. I don’t think that living with your parents means that you’re less mature though, especially these days. Housing be expensive, and there are plenty more reasons other than being a bum.
Also, a 25 year old would have to be pretty Immature to have less maturity than a 19 year old. That’s a pretty decent gap. Just my opinion…
@@alexisdogbo7958 Well it's also about the age; at 25 and 19, it's definitely questionable, but if it was 31 and 37, it's not weird. Basically what Im saying is the main reason this weird (at least in an age gap sense) is because they are so young, which, I mean yes a 19-year-old is much younger than a 25-year-old, but to treat said 25-year-old as if they are like 40-year-old predator that knows what they are doing is bad and has tons of experience is disingenuous. Like, at least in terms of romantic relationships, most 25-year-olds are basically still kids trying to figure this stuff out. I say this as a 24-year-old who just got out a relationship with someone my age; we both still need to figure A LOT out about relationships
maturity and circumstance is why ppl freak out most of the time
@@scottbuck1572yeah that makes sense.
@@alexisdogbo7958 And I didnt say this in my initial comment, but you can also apply that level of "kidness" (not infantalizingly, but like "learning how the world works") to Alex's platform. Like imagine being somewhat famous basically overnight at that age while discovering your gender identity and suffering from intense mental illness; of course he is gonna be blind to how a power dynamic works while he is in a manic state.
Ven tries to paint Alex as someone with lots of experience with using power to exploit people, but what is actually being SHOWN is someone who has no idea how to even deal with the power they have, not a calculated predator
Absolutely insane that alex so often expressed paranoia for their private conversations being leaked and got told they were stupid for that only for that exact thing to happen BECAUSE of the person telling them they were stupid for thinking that.
Manipulation is really easy with vulnerable individuals, that's my answer for this comment that looks like a question to my eyes.
The whole "Oh seeing me consent would distract from the message I am sending so I deleted that part" argument is absolutely amazing to witness. It shows a clear detachment from reality, as accusing someone isn't a 'message' that you have to frame, it is a statement you have to prove. This immediately shows that the person making the accusation is interested in nothing but harm to the other person by any means necessary.
I was making my way slowly through the Mandela Catalogue anyway, but this might just mean I'm making it my priority until I finish it just to support Alex.
As a middle-millennial, I’d like to take a moment to highlight another important lesson that a lot of gen Z, at least in my experience, doesn’t seem to realize. Your digital footprint is absolutely forever. And it’s not just the internet looking for you, it’s future jobs as well. Delete all you want, everything can and will be found, as we see in this case. Please take your conduct online seriously, it can really bite you in the ass a decade from now when your life choices start to have permanent implications.
I mean millennials were the ones who decided to all large amounts of digital footprints on the internet, so naturally Zoomers would do the same following what the previous generation did as there weren’t that much risks.
Yet when millennials invented cancel culture it was truly a mistake to leave a digital footprint.
To anyone who took this accusation seriously, the line "I mentioned that I did not want him to have a career anymore or did not want anyone to like him, but you must prove that was out of malice rather than anger" should have been a huge tip-off that the person writing this is a vindictive child. That's just about the most self-incriminating thing you could possibly say lol.
Glad i didnt spent too much reading the fluff part and skip to where the accusations want out of this case first, i did eventually read the thing but the goal of it atleast clue me in on why this doc sound like this
I never take these so called "accusations" seriously to begin with, ever
The only part of the doc I even remember reading is the "now we're not actually accusing him of being a groober!" part
@@TCR4B the part that stuck out to me is the ending statement to the 27 page doc
It’s pretty wild that Alex is being called out for essentially talking to teenagers (as a teenager himself) because of similar interests, while Ven, and adult over 20 years old, was intentionally seeking out teenagers to manipulate their feelings. Predator is usually used in a sexual context, but I’d argue that Ven’s behaviour towards those kids was predatory as well. It seems they were used to further Ven’s vendetta.
I think weaponizing a young fan base to smear anybody is definitely predatory behavior, maybe not towards the kids themselves but using online minors to triangulate an adult who hasn't done anything heinous is unhinged levels of lengths to go. It almost does make you as the accuser look worse though, because if you have to use a mob of teens to get your online justice done as an adult, but other adults want to clarify facts and you won't do that, things look very fishy from that angle in my opinion. Also just because if minors are as native and defenseless as the young adult accuser portrays, them why go to minors to spill all the beans to if you know they are more easily influenced? You know what I mean? Can't have your social justice concept that you claim is a poison pill someone else is doing, and then be doing the same exact thing under the guise of "protecting the community from a big bad guy" without substantive facts or evidence.
That's like some children of the corn level cult-maneuvering.
I have a feeling Ven purposely made the initial document as long as they did so most people wouldn’t take the time to read through it and just believe what people are saying is in it. That’s why so many people just flat out called him a pedo
It's finally happened... someone finally managed to weaponize the phrase "I ain't readin' all that".
Yes, it's terrible true
your so right for that
admittedly i believed it
as soon as i saw the document
it goes to show the blandness and dumbness of people
@@kittycatrittycatalt9523 because if Alex actually did the things that she mentioned, why didn't this come to light earlier? Too suspicious
If I read "19 isnt a teen" one more time I will lose it. Teen it right in the word. If the age of consent is 16 in your state, do I have to call 16 and older adults now? Give me a break.
the worst thing is people like ven will never admit that they did something bad. they get off on being some moral crusader and delude themselves into thinking they can't be wrong. even if they are deliberately fabricating things to smear in someone, they will still pat themselves on the back. not even legal action, like losing s defamation lawsuit would convince them that they might have been the weird evil one, they'll just call the law stupid and unfair
Whats there to lose on the other end? They can just drop thier current online persona and pretend nothing happen, then theres alex who his crew left when the doc drop
They don’t want justice.
They just want someone gone.
The clothing stuff is so wild to me. Like do you think people with shoe fetishes are constantly lusting after everyone around them wearing shoes? You think they're incapable of complimenting a persons shoes without it being a sex thing? It's the same sort of weird logic that makes people uncomfortable with gay people in dressing rooms. There's so much weird shaming, transphobia, and shaming of mental illness that really rubbed me the wrong way when I read Ven's document the first time. I remember closing it and being like "Why was this a callout? Why was most of this just Ven bitching about an obviously mentally ill person they never made clear boundaries with, and then oh yeah maybe he crossed some lines with kids AT THE END?" it's just sloppy. Yes, Alex has some things to learn, he's a young man and has some lessons to learn, but he doesn't strike me as a PREDATOR.
So it's a nothingburger cooked up by people who spend too much time on the internet thinking about non-issues to get angry about. Good to know.
A nothingburger that nearly ruined someone’s career and life, mind you. Which is why this is truly fucked
@@midnightmorpher9066 Its the nasty patty that they fed to the food inspector
I truly feel for the real victims of shi like this that won't be belived.
@@midnightmorpher9066now that you mention it, man I can only imagine the shit going through Alex’s mind now. No way they’re gonna be opening up to anybody else anytime soon.
The nothing brugur was so bad it was somehow impossibly venomous
I think what really frustrates me the most about these sorts of situations is that no matter how many times these borderline exact same accusations turn out to be fake callouts done out of either revenge or clout chasing the larger internet as a whole will never learn a *single* fucking thing from them. Without fail the exact same song and dance has played out with Kwite, Dream, Supermega, and now Alex too.
This is starting to look like the case with the chuggaaconroy incident(s), too. The vtuber who responded to Emily's accusation to she'd had "similar interactions", and her boyfriend (antdude) who accused Chugga of trying to cosy up to him so he could steal his girl were hugely overexaggerating what actually happened. Chugga wanted to collab with antdude and messaged his girlfriend to ask him about it bc he knew she would reply quicker. That was it.
He still says he wasn't actually trying to be weird/ start an ERP with Emily, he was just being silly and referencing ed edd n eddy (not sure if I believe this but he's planning on explaining himself fully when he comes back online) but the fact that those two people, one of whom used to be chuggas friend, saw an accusation and decided to try and steal valour from someone claiming to be a victim of sexual harassment bc he sent them an out of the blue DM once really gets on my nerves
Lets not forget Inquisitor as well, who committed suicide after getting falsely accused, and after his death the accusers admitted fault. With Alex's mental state, this could have very well turned into this sort of situation.
@@thedeergod435a smaller creator called Ang had similar crap happen to them on Twitter. They were basically bullied off the Internet by antis for drawing Zim and Dib romance when they were a teen, and this being used to paint them as a groomer , by some unstable person in a discord friend group who decided to start stuff to destroy them because they were mad at another person on the friend group but blamed their relationship issues on Ang as a scapegoat, and got a bunch of other strangely obsessive people to dogpile her. This Ang person was actually disabled and relied on online art income to pay for their hospital/hospice bills and medications but the jerks harassing them world say stuff like Ang was faking their disability to make the rest of the Internet have less mercy on her basically. (I don't remember Ang's pronouns but I think they were she or they)
This was late last year, maybe around September ish or early October I remember reading about it. But the online hate mob that a couple of the original group chat ex friends were ring leaders of basically would stress And out to the point of undermining any future work opportunities due to paranoia about the smear campaign, and so she ran out of medication and was basically preparing to die because of all of this.
Never underestimate power of unchecked narcissism, naive children, and jerks just wanting a "morally justified" reason to dog on people!
After seeing through all of Ven's bs... This entire thing actually made me feel very worried that this will push Alex to the _edge_ before he posted his doc...
Well if it makes you feel better, Alex said recently that he is taking a break ( from Mandela Catalogue and the internet in general), so hopefully he is healing from this
@@midnightmorpher9066gonna miss mandela but honestly his mental health is more important. all i hope is that the people who distanced themselves from him over false accusations realize their error and try to mend their relationships with alex bc i wanna believe people can change
@@DG_Toti Yeah… Martin Walls at least seem to be retracting his statement (at least silently by deleting his retweets of the original accusers), and Night Mind issued an apology (even if it didn’t put nearly enough blame on Ven), but people like Chezz Archives is STILL liking tweets from Alex detractors 😭
@@midnightmorpher9066 Where did Night Mind apologise?
@@whiskeyhound It’s a thread on Twitter that he posted; it should still be pinned to the top now
The whole "they can't be in a relationship worh you because they're a fan" thing is so weird to me. Like, is he supposed to only form connections with people who hate everything he makes? I have friends who love my artwork. I have more followers than them on Instagram and tiktok. Does that mean I can't hang out with them? No.
Unless he's holding their progression over their head for sexual favours or threatening to send his fans to harm them if they don't do what he says, which he isn't, there's no issue here. Especially considering internet horror is such a niceh community that it's impossible for him to ckme across someone who is into the same things he is that isn't also a fan of the Mandela Catalogue.
It really sucks that this was Alex’s first relationship. Like most people have a crappy first relationship it’s the way things go and hormonal teens are dumb but man this level of backstabbing has got to mess someone up
If someone's "paranoia" 100% accurately predicts an incoming event, that's not paranoia. That's called fucking calling it lmao
As the saying goes: just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you!
Having a paranoid mindset is the worst when it turns out your fears were completely warranted, as it was in Alex’s case.
I think it's called a premonition
This is a case of children who can't vocalize versus someone with mental health issues who insists on vocalizing. I bet there's a 3rd party/group of friends instigating.
the 3rd party is Ven who’s a clout chaser trying to get online validation off of Alex due to Alex’s online popularity
As a trans teen personally(entirely anecdotal) almost all the time safe spaces are around (99% being online) it’s through adults so them saying "don’t be a groomer" to the accusations of transphobia really feels like they’re trying to correlate an adult expressing their gender identity (I’m pretty sure he’s barely in his 20s so not like he’s 30 or 40 something doing this) with grooming, the fact that those teens then corroborated that they view it that way rubs me the wrong way mostly because it’s the same spiel that Anti-Queer voices use against us but that’s how I view it 🤷🏻♀️
It’s almost weirdly exploitative to expect a minor to be able to facilitate a safe space. I don’t say this as an insult but minors don’t have the mental capacity to take on the mental burden of a bunch of other teenagers and their mental health states and the unique situations they’re in especially pertaining to being trans, gay, etc. Adults primarily facilitate those spaces because they not only have lived experience but because they typically have some sort of credentials or have worked in that field before. Asking a teenager to be in charge of a safe space for other teens is essentially the same thing if not worse than a single instance of Alex putting his mental state in the hands of a minor in my opinion.
@@Partyhatpossum exactly on top of the fact that they don’t even differentiate between any adult creating the safe space and just Alex so it makes it seem like the only way that they’d be ok with it is if it’s just teens which is 9/10 a recipe for disaster
@@Partyhatpossumur absolute right, they’ve been in these spaces since they were what 18? i’m 18 and no way in hell could i pull that off, it’s no wonder they broke when ven pushed.
I’m part of a local lgbtq advocate group where we provide lots of support groups for queer and trans youth, and the idea that queer adults have no place in facilitating safe discussion among queer youth is frankly absurd. Queer and trans kids NEED supportive adults, they need supportive adults who are like them. The general inability of some people in online spaces to discern between healthy adult/child relationships and unhealthy ones is honestly a bit scary.
@@sabresisterEXACTLY and trying to paint any adult interaction at "grooming" is the exact same thing that right wingers say so I’m a little weirded out that they’re using that language
I seriously hope Alex is okay, there’s plenty of people like me who never believed Ven’s bs when they tried to crap on Alex and it sucks that this even happened in the first place. I just hope Alex’s real friends are there for him right now because he’s gonna need them considering people will take any lie and run with it if they don’t like someone.
Completely tangential but as someone who already struggles with verbalizing emotions, expressing affection, and in general making and maintaining relationships, conflating "showing affection" as love bombing, scares me.
I do not want that phrase to become common like other ones.
I've noticed with several of these situations that the person making the callout post admits to consenting and even instigating, but the other person is at fault due to a "power dynamic." That's a very vague term and can mean many different things, which bad actors use to their advantage against people who have legally done nothing wrong. They even imply that they are stupid and have no free will if it means their enemies get injured in some fashion.
I wanna point out the exposed document was poised as the victims all being underage and alex as the adult
Definitely fair, the fact that he's an adult is played up quite a bit. But in a situation where the roles are reversed, 19 is usually treated as more of a teenager than an adult.
@@JimmyRobins yeah, I don't understand people who think something magical happens to a person mentally when they turn 18. Like, do they remember turning 18? Did they suddenly feel substantially more mature overnight? I don't think I felt any different until 20, at least.
@@hey_thatsmynamei’m 20 and I feel as stupid as i did when i was 18. Doesn’t mean I lack common sense, but I am aware of how much I am not aware of
@@hey_thatsmynameJust a friendly reminder, one's frontal lobe (as in the place that controls thinking, emotions, personality, judgment, and self-control) doesn't finish developing until you're TWENTY FIVE.
Yes, legal adulthood is 18 and booze age in the US is 21, but you really aren't an adult until you're almost 30.
Think about that.
@ssjpanda8417 but I was more meaning that I didn't FEEL different, not that I felt I was a full fledged adult. It's crazy to expect an 18 yo to wake up on their bday and think to themselves "okay my relationship with everyone under 18 now has to totally change, bc I'm legally an adult now."
An extremely good rule of thumb: if what they are saying *is* true, they will go to the authorities first, NOT FUCKING TWITTER. If someone is trying to "expose" someone on twitter, Never assume them to be honest.
You should never trust a soul on the internet, *Period*. Why the fuck would you start trusting someone when they are throwing out serious allegations?
jesus the fact that people are calling him a groomer for talking to other people his age about trans people is LITERALLY a huge right-wing talking point and honestly fuck ven for saying something that transphobic
And the fact that Ven is trans? Just goes to show the LGBTQ community is full of normal people which includes manipulative terrible people like Ven.
Ven is a classic rules for thee and not for me kind of person. When they talk to kids in vulnerable positions as a trans person it’s fine, but when Alex does it, it’s grooms? Like ok.
It’s good that Alex isn’t a groomer, but some people will still dehumanize him over Ven because of their toxic ‘I rather believe a *liar* than a possible groomer’ mindset
If hell exists, I imagine there is a special place in it for people who falsely accuse others.
@@digitmidget6973 certainly have a place in Fraud, and the worst cases Treachery if you wanna roll with a dante vibe.
dude i went into this video expecting to not agree but now honestly ur so right and ur researching both sides thoroughly. ive been looking at this whole thing from ven’s perspective but when u step bacl and look at the grander scope of the things theyve been insinuating i get it. i always felt it was sus the whole gender validity argument against alex bc the way hes talked abt his identity makes it clear hes just struggling to put a name to it and is finding it hard and maybe even emotionally taxing to navigate. im trans and i can agree that its hard to choose whether we want to explore who we actually are or keep hiding bc thats “easier” and “safer.” also the exposing private convos thing always had me feeling icky bc they did exactly what he kept panicking over.
I appreciate the open mind, and hearing your thoughts. Thank you!
@@JimmyRobins no problem dude, ur content is very well crafted💯
As someone with a lot of friends who have gone through gender identity issues, this all feels a lot like a confused 19-20 year old trying to understand who they are. The way Ven is trying to force what it means to be trans on Alex is horrible, and I hope they understand how much of a mental toll they put on them. Trying to tell someone the way they're trying to express themself is malicious sounds like a great way to add another number to an already horribly high statistic.
That's kinda dangerous to assume that's the only reason *that* statistic happens and not other reasons like regret.
As someone who’s gone through this situation before, my blood was boiling throughout. I really hope Alex can move past this in the future because I know it fucked up my ability to trust for a long time.
Teenagers really need to stop playing Investigators. They got no idea what the hell they're doing.
I feel sorry for Alex really, he definitely should stop getting too close to his fans, for his own sake, but I understand where his breakdowns come from. I have mental issues myself and depression, when he was talking about his intent to kill himself I recognized my own suicidal thoughts. I had breakdowns like this, when I would have an intense panic and intent to end my life. I remember reaching out for someone’s help in that state.
It's so ironic how Ven is saying that Alex is so manipulative yet Ven in this context looks like the manipulator. Yes Alex isn't innocent either but the man has mental issues and is still pretty young all things considered. If any issues occur he shouldn't be having someone trying to use those issues against him. That is just outright gross and dishonest behavior
Teenage Disasters also got brought into it when it all first started. People raided his discord server yelling at him and everyone saying that we don't support the "Victims" in all sorts of bullshit. His named had to be cleared before it got worse.
The stuff about him being trans and talking with other trans teens... The conversation screenshots look like conversations ive had with friends -A fellow trans teen
"This consent is superficial" Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure no means no, and yes means yes..... are you expecting your partners to read your mind?
Edit; So Ven literally thinks that its impossible for content creators to be human and make mistakes because they have so much power; he sounds like his talking about the President of the United States or the Secretary of War, not the guy that made the Mandela Catalog
This is one of my gripes with Ven and unserious social media drama/accusations as a whole. Alex is barely a micro-celebrity in an incredibly niche corner of one or two social media platforms. Ven happily betrayed their own community for the sake of getting one over on their ex who has a mildly successful RUclips channel.
I am begging all of these people to touch grass, observe a cloud, look out a window, ANYTHING.
Us on Reddit have debunked the entire situation, and Anarchist was trying to clear his name. We got a ton of backlash and threats but I’m glad we managed to clear his name.
tl;dr on that final statement from Ven is "sorry i tried to ruin your life because you dumped me and you aren't asexual and also don't have omniscience. i'm glad my attempt to bully you into suicide failed, it was very scary how close i got to getting what i wanted. anyway, i'm leaving the internet forever. i apologize for being a hero"
at least the scumbag is gone, i guess, even if reading that statement made me wanna puke
Personally, I think that Alex was saying some strange things, being a little too personal, but he was told by the "victims" that he could keep doing it and it wasn't making anyone uncomfortable. They then ghosted him, causing him to say more personal things, and then they turned it around on him by saying "He was making me uncomfortable by saying weird things!" So I think both people are in the wrong - the victims for telling him that they were okay, and Alex for not thinking more about what he was saying. I agree with what he's doing now, taking a break and then coming back later.
I refuse to condemn Alex for the Mitcha thing. He was suicidal and having a panic attack, and went to a friend for support. Obviously that ended up going poorly, but I can't condemn someone for that.
I'm inclined to agree. Yes, it went incredibly poorly and I'm truly sorry to both parties involved that things turned out the way they did, but condemning someone in a state of crisis for reaching out to a friend for support just doesn't seem right. And in the end, he took accountability for how that situation went! Honestly, he took accountability for every wrong thing or misstep he did in this situation and that is commendable.
Yes, it wound up being the wrong call to go to Mitcha about it, but I speak from experience that when you're in social circles with others on the internet, it can be difficult to know if something might be "too much" to lay onto someone, especially if such boundaries aren't established in the first place. Mitcha ended up being the wrong person to go to in this situation due to what wound up happening afterwards because of it, but I agree that we shouldn't condemn him for reaching out for support from a friend when he was badly hurting.
I've been on the receiving end of people reaching out to me for support when they were hurting like this, and I'll admit, sometimes I've been ill-equipped to handle certain situations and I've had to set firm boundaries with some people as a result. But I would never condemn them or think ill of them for needing someone to be there for them. That isn't fair to them. I'm their friend and just because I may be ill-equipped to be proper support to them, that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't reach out for help: just that I might not be the right person to reach out to; in which case I'd say as much and direct them to someone who IS better equipped to help them in the way that they need.
This is not me saying that this is what Mitcha should've done in this situation, as I understand they were placed in a position that they were ill-prepared for and their mental health suffered as a result. I'm not about to tell them what they could've done when I was just as ill-prepared as they were the first time it happened to me, and it DID mess me up as a result. It's really scary to be in that position, especially when you're young and dealing with your own shit, and I sincerely hope that they're able to get the support they need for their mental health due to what resulted in this situation.
What I AM saying is that shit like this DOES happen, and while it is unfortunate, I don't believe it right to vilify either side for it.
I'm very glad that Alex is seeking help and is taking the time to focus on himself while everything is going on. I wish him the best and hope that he's able to get the support that he needs; I hope the same for Mitcha as well. It was an unfortunate circumstance that got twisted into this big scandal when it really shouldn't have been.
It's shocking to the me, the lengths people will go to for them not to be "the better person" (as a way of putting it). It would've been so easy for Van to just stop talking to Alex and to not engage in anything related to Alex. The internet is a huge place. They could've just blocked Mandela Catalogue related content if they were that desperate. This didn't have to happen. But they made it happen. It's so frustrating. I'm not even a big fan of Alex's work, I'm just curious. I do feel so sorry for the guy. I hope their alright.
I hate that it's sort of become normal for some people to just casually want to ruin someone's career for one mundane reason or the other. While it is, in rare cases, it _is_ necessary to warn people about these kinds of people, I really hate how common and loosely thrown around the word "groomer" is and how people are so quick to pick a side. For me, I prefer to back away from it and look at it from a neutral perspective and I think its best to wait for the person of the accusation to actually speak or respond and come to your own conclusions.
I never thought he was guilty, even hearing it i was shocked but in reality, we never got his side till recently. So annoying when ppl gang up on a person who had yet to respond
im saying this now. it is not OK to out someone with their identity. im lgbt myself, talking about it IS NOT GROOMING
Poor Alex. I remember how bad my mental health was aeound that time in my life and I DIDN'T have a massive platform or budding career to worry about. I really hope he gets through this, that things calm down for him and that he's able to get the help he needs, move on and keep making banger ass Mandela Catalogue content. He's extremely talented, and it would just be such a shame to see him stop or for something to happen to him before he even really got started all over a scorned ex who got obsessive and vindictive. Thank you so much, Jimmy, for always being a voice of reason and for doing the research and work in order to bring the truth to light. You're a total gem.
Mike Tyson was right, the internet made people forget how it feels to be punched in the face
So from what I'm gathering, Alex's only crime is dealing with their mental health and gender identity in an unhealthy manner. They should not have relied on their viewers for it, but none of the discussions seemed sexual or grooming in nature.
Ven has actively been proved to be lying or twisting the truth to make Alex look bad, and that in my eyes invalidates most if not all claims they have made. They are gatekeeping people who have had a different experience from them.
Ven's intentions are actively malicious, they are jealous and bitter towards Alex, and while Alex did need orientation and correction, they don't deserve the treatment they got from these acusations. Ven was actively hurting everyone that ever interacted with Alex just to make Alex look bad, and that is inexcusable.
it's so scary that content creators are one bad friendship/relationship away from a google doc dropping 💀 and there will always be an audience that eats this up in the name of morality and some twisted sense of superiority. honestly how can you not be paranoid
First, thank you for pointing out that its way weirder for an adult to convince a bunch of teens they had been sexually used than anything Alex seemingly actually said (aside from talking about unaliving to a teen, that was not appropriate). A lot of recent allegations seem to be "We had kind of a shitty relationship" which, yeah lots of people do. or "i was uncomfortable secretly the whole time" which, that's awful, but if you don't communicate that how is your partner supposed to know? Neither of those things make either partner a predator or a terrible person. This recent need to turn relationships not working out into full blown accusations is insane to me. Especially since, as a survivor myself, I know how this will reflect on other people that choose to come out, with actual valid allegations about actually bad people. Also, what is with this recent satanic-panic level idea that anyone a day over 18 that has any interaction with anyone under 18 is being predatory?? No, talking about gender identity isn't predatory, neither is sexuality. If it was, people would be arresting sweet old Ms. Smith for talking about how she has a husband and just had a kid. Is Alex the best person for that? I don't know, from what I've seen probably not. But that doesn't make what he did inherently predatory simply because of the subject matter.
I'm having an emotional response to this because I am so tired of all this cancelling crap. Not everything is lovebombing or gaslighting or manipulation, not every interaction with teenagers is abusive, and not every 20yo is immediately aware of how their interactions can be interpreted/weaponized.
WAKE UP JIMMY JUST POSTED
It's time
My reaction exactly 😂
bros earlier than the video
Yess (its 2 am and i woke up to watch it)
I'm glad you're giving a levelheaded, fair approach to this topic. The other time I heard about this everyone just jumped on clowning on Alex and calling him a groomer, while the whole time I was just thinking, "This feels so petty and unsubstantiated." I almost always side with victims, but I don't even think the "victims" in the story are actually victims. If anything, Alex is the victim.
Ven is deffinetly one of those idiots who thinks setting a boundary is "Well I said it's against my boundaries, so you have to stop what your doing immediately, even when it has nothing to do with me!" When no. You set boundaries, you keep them. You are the responisble party to step away from someone who is doing something you don't like, and you sure as hell can't go blame someone for doing it anyway WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS OK. YOU ARE THE ONE DOING THE MANIPULATING THEN IF YOU DO NOT SPEAK UP.
I feel horrible for Alex in this situation. Ven talked about Alex’s mental health when they had absolutely no right to - even if Alex had posted it to a public server - and completely invalidated Alex in vulnerable points of his exploration of gender identity. As a trans man myself, it’s so frustrating and hurtful to see trans folks being so unkind and giving no grace to other folks going through the very difficult and personal experience of trying to understand their own gender. If we can’t be compassionate with each other, then we’re screwed - often nobody else will be. Where could Alex have gone to talk about his feelings around gender that Ven wouldn’t have heavily criticized him? Obviously we can’t know for sure, but to me it seems like Ven was trying hard to isolate an already very emotionally fragile person. Alex isn’t perfect, nobody is, and creators are just people too. Ven seems very manipulative to me and I really hope that they don’t try to start anything around this again. I hope they spend some time reflecting on why they felt the need to go after Alex the way they did and why they did and learn, and most of all I hope that this experience didn’t set Alex too far back in his own journey of finding the most healthy, authentic version of himself.
And people wonder why slander makes me so uncontrollably angry. The more people lie about things like this, the more people will stop believing accusations altogether, and then horrible people will be able to do even more harm. I have been accused of horrible things in the past because of insensitive, joke posts I have made online. And it drove me to the absolute darkest point in my life so far. I remember waking up every day thinking my life was over before it truly began because of a couple tasteless jokes I made on the internet when I was 14-15. I'm 17 now. and that half year of torment still affects me greatly. Alex def made some mistakes and he absolutely needs to be more responsible. but there's a difference between being a flawed human being who needs to take a step back and make better decisions at times than simply being irredeemable.
The sad thing about the whole event is Alex acknowledges that his image is forever tarnished. And he _is right._ Even when people are cleared of wrongdoing, THAT wrongdoing forever follows them. Look at SuperMega. Nick and Lex (intentional on her part or not) _damaged_ their reputation and they forever have to carry that, all while Nick gets away with smugly mocking them. Look at Pyro as well: Pyro cleared his time from being a groomer, but you still have people calling him one and his fanbase (for better or worse) use the fact he had to admit to being a furry degenerate to make fun of him as part of the "lol buli pyro" jokes.
True Pyro recovered well but I doubt Alex is going to continue the catalogue
@@ratsmans5644 He is. It's on break. If you've read his response document,.
@@ratsmans5644Did you not see the teasers that came out after Alex was proven innocent
@@redstinger0966 Yes I personally thought he would take a minute to check himself cause he just took a lot of heat
@@ratsmans5644 I support him either way
This is definitely one of the most fucked up "cancelations" I've seen from the side of the accusers. Poor Alex man I hope he's doing ok
I felt so bad about how Alex got blasted and barely got to speak within the first week of this and also so many people wouldn’t keep their mouth shut before Alex made the doc
as a genderqueer teenager myself i do agree with the points you’ve made on the whole safe space topic. i dont think its weird for adults and teens that are old enough to fully understand the subject to talk about it, as long as it stays as healthy discussion and it doesn’t delve into venting things. its also important for the adults to keep that boundary, and to be the enforcers. they’re ultimately more mature than us, and are in an inherent position of power, so it’s important to keep that in mind no matter who you are in the scenario
Agreed. It's like an adult parent explaining sex and gender to their teenaged child.
That's not grooming. That's supposed to be a good thing.
@@ssjpanda8417 But we don't teach gay s3x positions in puberty in elementary school
@@DiamondWorldRUclips well yeah,thats something gay people have to figure out for themselves. for example,schools dont teach people how to handle/express their emotions or cultivate a sense of self
It's interesting, I feel like 80% of your stuff that I watch are about names I don't know, but watching them is interesting and gives me more inclination and understanding on how to brake these things down myself to be able to be more objective with future cases
You're doing a real service here jimmy, thanks a bunch ❤
Thank you, that means a lot!
I lowkey wished it was possible to take kids to court over things like this, shits sinister at best and life ending at worst.
This is so gross. This is something that should’ve been handled in private. People just have to air out their and other dirty laundry as soon as they fall out.
The sad thing is, Ven is way too much of a nobody to face much repercussion for this.
Is Ven trying to follow the footsteps of her hero illuminaughty?
ven is so absorbed in the 'wrongs' that they didnt fucking care on how alex would be affected and was just so bitter at an ex, despite it all being levied at ALEX and ALEX alone and ESPECIALLY on the fact he confided on personal paranoias to them
with that, there is no doubt on ven's part that they knew something like *this,* that outing him and trying to make everyone believe hes a bad person for talking to people about internally taboo topics to people HIS AGE, that they didnt bother to think that their actions could very well bring the guy to the brink... so genuinely revolting
Called it from minute one. Never seen a document so full of holes and so "conveniently timed" (MC5 trailer had dropped like 2 days before). I wish the Elongated One would hurry up and bankrupt Xwitter already so it can't hurt any more innocent people. People like Ven do nothing but make things harder for *actual* victims, and I hope they never get a good night's sleep again.
Problem is if twitter disappears, those people will migrate to other websites, better to just have them stay in Twitter and just ignore it as a whole.
As a queer person (not trans though btw), I completely agree with your comments about transphobia being weaponized against Alex. It makes it so much worse in my opinion that it’s other trans people doing this. They are sooo bitter against him that they don’t care that they’re directly hurting their community.
You explained that so well 👍
Im really happy this video exists. People see the number of people coming forward just automatically makes us assume the worst. Im no exception as before watching this I excepted their words as fact. Hope Alex finds peace and I hope Ven finds help as well.