I still remember thinking the voice was a little wierd when I first saw one of his videos, but seeing it now is genuine cringe, it makes it hard to watch.
Same here. Just tone it down a bit, and it'll be _leagues_ more serious than whatever demonic tone of voice MamaMax speaks in. It can make the video more entertaining and can somewhat help call more attention to the topics at hand. But don't go sounding like a goddamn Decepticon.
Yeah it's really annoying. Barely Sociable does the same thing. It's like for fuck's sakes, man, you're talking about someone potentially getting murdered and here you are making a spoopy voice to sensationalize and profit from the situation. It's so disgusting.
this would be even funnier than it already is if this Camdon guy actually ended up being innocent (since there's no actual evidence on him yet) lmaoooo
"Stop with the theatrics. Present this with the respect it deserves." That pretty much sums up how I've always felt about MamaMax. I respected what I thought he was doing but I've always hated the edgy approach. Talking about children's lives, the "look at how cool I am" part does nothing but make a mockery out of a very serious subject.
Honestly, I'm surprised it took this long for people to call him out on this, it was very evident from his videos that it was all just entertainment at the end of the day.
@@toasterenthusiast6188I believe that it was probably hard to call him out because his fan base witch-hunt people and most people don’t want to have to deal with that.
what really irked me about mamamax and made me unsubscribe was how his recent videos were filled with weird artistic editing and spooooky cult imagery, and then only like, three minutes of it were ACTUALLY dedicated to the victims and the situation at hand. it felt like it was much more about him and his evergrowing hero complex than it ever was about bringing a predator to justice.
thisss omg. I couldn't even take his godcult video seriously because the editing is so over the top and crazy. he barely even discusses video topics and then deflects when called out for it. crazy people in this world
thank you! i had a weird feeling about this guy and his editing style but i couldn't put it to words. This whole things reeks of a 14 year old analog horror for something that should be treated with respect.
I think that really shows where his real motivation and priorities are at. And it’s certainly not about caring about the victims and bringing justice for them
The funny thing is if you use a lot of AI and ask them a legal question the AI themselves say “ Its important to consult with a legal professional who specializes in the relevant area of law to ensure you receive accurate information and representation if needed.”
@@DomesticBonking I guess they literally programmed the AI to always do that when questioned about legal matters so the developers don't get in trouble Or something like that, Idk, give a read
I'm a CSA survivor, and as stupid and edgy I knew his videos are, I still wanted to believe there was some truth to them because I desperately needed to think these monsters would be stopped forever. So I looked up to him a lot for a big part of my teenage years. Now seeing everything is fake makes my stomach turn. Giving so many damaged people the hope that this could be stopped, but doing nothing about it... It just feels like having salt rubbed into a wound, so it never heals.
Exactly how I felt. Discovered him and I felt so much comfort as someone who has gone through the things he preached he was “setting out to stop”. Taking a step back and seeing everything for how it is makes me feel so embarrassed
I feel for you. James Somerton sicced his audience on the asexual community after some of us tried to correct him on some misinformation he'd spread. If MamaMax's fans try the same with you, just know that they're the problem, not you.
I was groomed as a young teenager, too. The guy was like this "cult leader" too, he was this guy in his 20s who claimed to be a vampire. When this story first broke, I was saddened by everyone just automatically assuming the accuser was lying, going "hard evidence" this, "hard evidence" that. When I was groomed, I didn't even know that what was happening to me WAS grooming, that's the entire reason why guys target young girls for that purpose. Also, it happened before the internet was a widespread thing. How could I be expected to go back and get evidence of that? It's absurd to expect young girls to have the foresight and the wherewithal to automatically mistrust someone they're close to and record every single interaction with everyone, just in case. And it's not like the internet doesn't have a marked history of being misogynistic and disregarding most victims without even bothering to hear their story. But watching this video, all I feel is a pit in my stomach. If it's all fabricated, that's so incredibly damaging to people like you and me. Because this is so high profile, It just means more victims will be ignored and even flat out turned against by the masses, something I know can be more than enough to drive them to do something drastic, like...um... "Self Crit" (thanks youtube for taking away our voices and not able to mention important topics). It's hard not to feel hopeless in the face of all this.
He’s been doing this for a while- using pedfiles and victims as a crutch. He has a terrifying “you’re with me or against me” approach because he will hurl that accusation at you in a heartbeat.
Yeah if you've seen his streams recently, whenever he doesn't really have a response to something he just mentions something along the lines of "so you don't want for survivors to speak out about their experiences?"
Faking a controversy to gain clout is one thing, but actually using legitimate survivors of child trafficking just to elevate your savior complex, warping their real, unheard stories into some sort of pretentious, cringy, and tonedeaf ARG for edgelords is a whole new level of unfathomable heartlessness. This is not from the bottom of your heart, Max. This from the bottom of your ego.
With the Spencer thing there's something to keep in mind. She's not a random victim who contacted him. They've known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. Now ask yourself what are the odds that someone who considers themselves a "pedophile hunter" would just happen to know a victim of a sensational werewolf/vampire pedophile cult? That seems _incredibly_ fortuitous. And now we know he'll just make things up...
Inquisitor3 killed himself over baseless accusations. Then you got Max over here saying we should believe in baseless accusations because apparently it’s quicker than the official police channels 🙄
The fact that anyone still believes Spencer et al are actual victims and not actors in his "film production" still baffles me. I cannot understand why anyone doesn't get that the entire thing is fake. Max has never produced any evidence against anyone and has said in calls to assume that EVERYTHING in his videos is fake except "the person being an abuser." There is no cult. There are no victims. The whole thing was fictional from day one.
TBH his predator hunting series feels like something Onision would write in his god awful books. The edginess, the egocentrism, the 'I'm the only one who can save you' mindset, now even questionable relationship with "saved" person, like everything checks out
I've been saying this since the first video came out, there was always something suspect about the edgy stuff, it overshadowed the supposed pedohunting
A thought just occured, he spent hours writing letters to youtubers, if he really cared, he'd spend that time writing the POLICE and filing a real report.
Max sitting on Spencer’s story for 3 years is crazy. Asking others to put their livelihood and careers on the line without any hard evidence is even crazier.
Spencer Missing Person flyer is circulating Facebook now because a missing person group posted it years ago and now ppl found it, they are trying to contact her family because they think her family is still looking for her. They are in the comments trying to Tag her relatives saying she lives with mama max now
@@FuckTheRUclipsUsernameChangeAt this point I'm not sure they're "survivors" at all. I don't think Mutahar mentioned it but Max and Spencer have known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. What are the odds that a "pedophile hunter" would just happen to know someone who was the victim of a sensational werewolf/vampire pedophile cult? We already know he'll make thing up.
Someone has pointed out how he stopped the whole "dramatic" editing in a video where he was called out by his exes. So weird how Max is able to be "serious" in a moment where its about him but not about the victims he talks about. It just proved how much of an ego maniac he is.
@@redreaper3065 that could be a possibility, but in that case you'd likely find statements about him from his victims using his old name. nobody has found anything like that (yet).
@@cybercat360_ there was a police report from his one ex that she filed for stalking or something along those lines. It seems to be the only accusation that holds water, since Max admitted he did creepy stuff towards his ex.
Especially because the whole reason they were having that conversation is because he took on the responsibility himself. He could have just told the story and passed the investigation on to someone more qualified, but he decided that it was "his job" instead.
"Why is this my job?" Maybe because you brought attention to this tragic situation, livestreamed with one of the victims multiple times while trying to contact popular internet creators, and is known to have a yt channel that posts about this topic. Like who the fuck else's job would it be. He did a horrible job informing people about the facts on this issue without the bare minimum of proof to back it all up. What I personally hate about all of this is how he has been parading one of the victims. Having her defend him when he is cornered to a wall with speculations and criticism. He is a disgraceful humanbeing for his poor handling of this very serious issue. I hope this is resolved and the victims don't suffer anymore from all the negative attention this dumbass has caused.
Hearing him unironically say “now we always need things like evidence. We can’t just listen to people’s stories.” sounds beyond parody. Image a world where someone just saying your guilty automatically condemns you to a guilty man’s fate
You could say in a way we already have that. Not legally but how many lives have been destroyed by false allegations. Even when those allegations are proven false later the damage has been done.
Soooo no one is going to mention the fact that an NDA can not be enforced when a crime has been committed?? It doesn't matter what NDA is signed, if it can be used in a criminal investigation, the NDA is completely void. I don't understand how or why people don't understand this, because NDAs are CIVIL documents... You can only be SUED for breaking it... Not ARRESTED. It's not a crime to break an NDA, you will be fined/sued. Anytime someone says "I wish I could show you this hard evidence of a crime, but I'm bound by an NDA" they're LYING.
That reminds me of an Ace Attorney case where a stage magician refuses to testify in court so as not to "reveal his secrets", which is, of course, silly and wouldn't fly in a real court of law. But Max seems to think that's exactly how real life works.
NDA is not for the crime, it's for the piece of "fictitious" video that MamaMax was making, hence the stupid disclaimer in his stupid video. Since Muta is not being questioned by the police or a court room, where an NDA would mean nothing, this NDA would most likely be enforceable if he were to sign it...well in theory because if he came up with the NDA using chatGPT then i can see it being bad enough to not be enforced. You are right in your statement, just does not apply to Mutas case
@duukn The video itself IS evidence of a crime. You don't need to be speaking to the police, for the NDA to be voided. All you have to do, is present the video (or any evidence) and THEN go to the police at any point in time with the video (or any evidence of a crime) and the pending lawsuit will be stayed, pending the outcome.
Ok, the "ChatGPT understands the legal system" completely knocked me out for a few minutes laughing in bewilderment that someone could actually say this with conviction, and not as a joke
"Is 450 90% of 500 No, 450 is not 90% of 500. To find 90% of 500, you can multiply 500 by 0.9, which gives you 450. Wait, actually, yes, 450 is 90% of 500. My apologies for the confusion." My favorite chatgpt quote lmao
@@jordanl5444 DAS YOUR NEW GOD DOOD, GET ON YOUR KNEES AND RESPECT YOUR NEW OVERLORD IT'S DA FURE!!!!!! NO HERETICAL WRITINGS AGAINST CHATGPT AND ML ALLOWED
"we need evidence now, we need to consult with lawyers (...) we can't just listen to victims." I'm a victim of CSA and CSAM. I don't have enough evidence to bring a case against my abuser, because I deleted and destroyed everything related to him out of shame, fear, and anger. It was a mistake, but it's too late now. I do NOT think my word should be enough to get him locked up, even though I would like him removed from society until he is no longer a danger. For my family and friends, I'd like them to believe me based on my testimony, at least enough to offer comfort - but in a court of law, it's a different story.
EXACTLY. When someone close to me shares that they were abused by another person, I will believe them unless proven otherwise. In a court of law, it is very different, as false accusations are often life ruining and the law system wants to make sure an accusation has actual merit and evidence backing it up before punishing the person accused.
Report it anyway. Create a paper trail and establish a history for him. If he did it to you, he'll do it to others. If and when he does, your report will only serve to support theirs. It does no harm, and a lot of good, to get his name out there.
Any sort of agreement or contract is only as strong as a judge wants it to be. This isn’t an exception. The waivers that McKamey manor uses aren’t exceptions, etc. You can’t just write a contract or NDA that allows you to break the law or to abuse others. How Max doesn’t understand that is beyond me.
Keemstar is human slime and never takes anything seriously, why anyone would want him to cover something serious is beyond me, but then again, Mamamax isn’t treating this stuff seriously either
@@thehoodedteddy1335 MamaMax literally tried to get Sniperwolf of all people on board to fight against this alleged cult leader. Max actually thinks that a woman who has asked at least a few young teenagers to tw--rk on camera should be a visible part of his movement to take down a supposed child predator. Even if she didn't do that, most of her audience are actual children who would likely find something like this to be very jarring and not entirely understand what's going on; it would be a complete clash with her typical content. So if Max is delusional enough to think Sniperwolf is a good person to get on board, I don't see why Keemstar would be off the table.
He chose Hotline Miami, a game in which the message is violence, revenge and vigilantism only cause more violence and suffering, to promote himself as a vigilante. Really shows how smart Max actually is.
We can't talk bad about Hotline Miami, The Game is great, the Message of it is great, the 4th wall breaks are the best. Him trying to treat it like reality onine though, different story. The game is great though
Literally isn't man. He even wears cosplay masks from the series and was known in the fandom as a weirdo. There's a video on the victim's channel where Max literally dances with it on for 10 hours straight. Max is a deluded villain man.@@frightfactoryYT
Having given this man money, being a former subscriber for years, interacting in his discord frequently and almost being hired by MamaMax as a voice actor ; learning all of this shit breaks my heart but it definitely needs to come to light. Knowing I supported him makes me sick. Thank you for creating this video
I still can't believe Max said "Why is it my job?" "Why are you putting it all on me?" Like he wasn't the one that was breaking the case to the public (poorly), put together an evidence server with all of the "victims", has all of the evidence (if there is any), moved one of the "victims" to his house and put her in charge of the money, and has been livestreaming and making videos about it.
and gatekeeper “the evidence” like making others sign a NDA nda isn’t enforceable anyway in this case, but max gets his legal advice from chatgbt so ofc he doesn’t know that
@@Guitartabstoday Exactly. Him wanting to own the evidence to make his documentary shows what his motives are. Enforceable or not, his intentions are pretty clear.
Then his "accountability" video afterwards being treated like he had to be the one to take the case instead of going to an investigator? Really comes off like he's going all "hey look at me and all that I'm suffering through" but on the other side of his mouth begging everyone else to do the work with/for him
I'm so sick of people using children and the protection of children as a grift. They know it's a cause everyone can get behind, and they manipulate that in order to gain money, attention, and power. It's disgusting. It trivializes these issues, which is incredibly dangerous.
Using kids to emotionally stir everyone up (when it’s unwarranted) is like the oldest trick in the book, I don’t know how people are still falling for it. What’s even more sad is how grifters like Mamamax not only uses kids as a shield from criticisms, he actively weaponizes this against other, either critics of him or innocent people like Camden’s family, leaving so much more damage in its wake. Magnatar got called a PDFile and Max’s audience contacted his workplace over this false allegations, and he called Tommy one as well, and having his rabid fanbase telling Tommy, a literal CSA victim, that he deserved what happened to him as a kid. Like the amount of damage he’s caused behind the veil of “I’m doing it for the kids” is astounding and he has basically nothing to show for.
If they actually do protect kids, it's a valuable service and I don't mind the begging. I don't know what on this max character was actually doing though.
as a csa victim who used to support him, this situation hurts. i always assumed his content was just a little overdramatized for awareness and viewer retention, not completely made up.
This is why you shouldn’t present such serious topics in these ARG style and just be normal with it. I don’t know how so many people overlooked Mamamax’s presentation style of such a sensitive topic for so long
I had always looked at him as a really motivated person to put eyes on harming children and the struggles that some kids go through... then some recent weird streams and videos made me question how much all of this has to do with the actual problems, and how much is just put on for show
Remember when Max's exes tried to go after him? His response was zero theatrics and he did a straight and uncensored talk about the situation. Far cry from how he treated this situation. Extremely disrespectful.
I kinda got lost in the timeline. Did that call happen after the lawyers got blasted for citing cases from chatgpt? Because if so, that really is the greatest take.
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63Zachariah Crabill; lawyer who was fired after he used ChatGPT at work cause it was making up fake lawsuits. But sure, Ig chatGPTs got the law system figured out
The woman with the incredibly southern twang just digging into him on a livestream was great. Shoutout to her: asking the real questions and demanding basic effort be put in. 😂
(English is not my main language, sorry for the spelling/grammar mistakes) I'm a CSA survivor, I was abused by a member of my family for years until I left my home and cut ties with my entire family at 18. When I discovered Mamamax's channel, it was almost a revelation. Finally! someone was giving a shit about us, someone who didn't care about the bad buzz or the backlash, he was going all in for us no matter what. His videos were extremely cathartic for me, I never got justice because when I went to the police station at 21 years old to file a complaint I didn't have any evidence or proof of what happened, the abuse had happened a decade ago, I didn't have any pictures or videos or anything other than my testimony with me. Ultimately, it was my word against my abuser's and my complaint was dismissed. I knew it would happen, I was devastated anyway. So his style of editing, with the violent imagery of Hotline Miami and the baseball bats and the fact that, maybe, the guys in his videos were getting what they deserved calmed my anger for a little while because God knows I dreamt of doing it to my abuser more times than I can count. Now I feel used. I feel like my trauma was used for fame and recognition, that our stories were only there to feed his ego and his online persona. That behind every CSA survivor was a potential ego boost for him. Knowing that he lied, probably created things and made us believe it was true just... I was going to write "disappoint me" but we're way past disappointment. I kinda feel numb. And stupid for putting my trust in a random stranger on the internet, enough to subscribe to his Patreon for a year and give him money just to deceit us. Of course it was too good to be true. I was blinded by my trauma and my need for justice like many others and he took advantage of this to build an entire fanbase. It's sick. I feel sick.
@islandbabe88 yes and you shouldn't assume stuff about people you don't know on the internet, it's not because I didn't mention going to therapy that I never saw a therapist fyi. learn to be less ignorant and mind your own business, nobody forced you to read my post. good luck x
Your English is perfect, you have a very poetic way of writing that is difficult for even native speakers to master. Thank you for sharing your story ❤
That series of outbursts around 1:13:00 was the icing on the cake for how he operates. - Yells at Muta for not blindly supporting him - Yells more about how he didnt want to be the one to finish what he started - Got a victim to try and guilt Muta into investigating - refuses to understand the burden of evidence falls to him and what he has isnt evidence and would be about as secure as a tissue house in a F5 Tornado
"But ChatGPT said that what Spencer and co say is al the evidence they need to convict". He is not living in the real world, and that emotionelle blackmail he tried on Mutahar in the call is so so nasty, so glad Nick heard that and called Max out, like wtf, both Spencer and Max is bad ppl, they use that emotionelle shield as blackmail all the time.
The thing that annoys me is the fact that Max claims "This person will try to make counter claims to disprove what we've said" - Yes. Anyone would do that if they were being wrongly accused.
Anyone will make counter claims, wrongly accused or rightly so. That's why the hard evidence he's so mad people are asking for is so important. Like, he himself is making counter claims against all the arguments against him, how doesn't he see that? Difference is, his claims aren't backed
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 He also consulted ChatGPT for legal advice, instead of asking a pro bono lawyer... That says alot about his level of integrity.
Max is literally the deepest case of main character syndrome I've ever seen. He treats his entire online presence as a show on a stage and he's the noble amazing loveable hero. I thought it was just him playing a character, but it appears not I guess. Same with how some details of his videos were obviously fake which I just thought was the entertainment part of the part entertainment part serious, literally pulling the "so then I called up my darkweb hacker to trace his ip address", but I guess it was all fake
Add saviour complex and persecution complex in there as well. Even with his latest “apology” video, I feel like he still sees himself as the good guy hero and everyone else just doesn’t understand him and he’s being persecuted for trying to do the right thing.
“stop with the theatrics” amen. the over the top deep voice was just pure cringe and gave virgin with rage vibes. it did not add anything to the video and with topics like these it’s almost disrespectful to the victims
I agree! I remember when he was on the SomeOrdinaryPodcast and the guys were still somewhat supportive of him in future podcast videos. I hope Nux and Caleb have heard about this too.
I unsubscribed from MamaMax after he rebranded his channel to GODCULT because I was tired of him calling out innocent creators and he just became cringe, but I didn't know the rabbit hole got this deep. It's very unfortunate seeing another creator I used to enjoy utterly ruin their career. Edit: I realize now that he's always been cringe, but I ignored that when I was still subbed to him.
@@pentexsucks43 yeah, this is what I’m not getting with so many people claiming he’s only cringe recently. He’s always been cringe, even in his early pre-predator catcher days (though he seemed more grounded and maybe a little more tongue in cheeks about his cringe back then). And when he started making his predator catcher content, his edgy pretentious content with him larping as batman using the voice changer calling his audience his “children”, if you didn’t think that was full on cringe, then I assume you’re just really young because one can reasonably see a kid finding this cool or captivating, but if you’re an adult, there’s no way you don’t find that shit cringe.
@@pentexsucks43In hindsight, he was always cringe, but his editing and story telling was what I used to enjoy about his content. Eventually the cringe became too hard to ignore, though.
What’s crazy is the “I didn’t want to do this alone,” “why do I have to do this? Why me?” WHEN HE’S THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS SHIT AND WANTED TO DO IT ON HIS OWN. Absolutely wild and unbelievable.
That's why he wanted a high-profile ytuber to join in his delusional witch-hunt. That way he can loudly proclaim that 'he' was the one who brought the case to light.
@jermy874 to palm it off someone else. He's just a lazy person with low-motivation. Averaging 2 vids/year uploads, I didn't know splicing artsy/edgy clips makes someone a filmmaker. What a joke.
Yeah out of everything he said, him asking why it’s his job to get the story out is what left me absolutely dumbfounded. I just cannot believe he actually said that. Why is it your story, Max? BECAUSE YOU’RE THE ONE BREAKING THE STORY! Max is the bringing this story to the forefront and shedding light on it. He’s the one supposedly talking to the victims, he is the one supplying the information here. He made the choice to take on the story as his project. For him to ask why it’s his job has to be one of the most incompetent things he has said throughout this. And then for him to try to brush off that responsibility and say he’s only the first one to talk about it but doesn’t want to be the only one to talk about it… dude… you are the one talking to the victims, you are the one pushing this story, and you’re not giving any information. Besides Spencer’s account of what happened with her, there is no information about any of this for people to work with, and that’s because you didn’t give any. Now it all makes sense to me. Because before this whole shit show, I felt like I was waiting for the ball to drop or something. Max put out the first video about it, and when I watched it, I came out feeling like that wasn’t the story, but just a precursor to it. It felt more like a teaser trailer. He identified Camden and made the claims but didn’t actually give information about what happened. I came out of it feeling like it didn’t really “begin” yet. Now I know it’s because Max himself didn’t even know any information. He really made 3 whole videos about it without even fully knowing the ins and outs of the story himself.
Watching this video a few times has got me wondering: what's the point of Max's voice modifier? Initially it seems like it's a part of the act he's putting on, like he's in danger and needs to remain anonymous out of safety. Then in that What Happened to Mamamax video, you see his face and everything, it looks like he's going mask-off, but he's _still_ got the voice mod on. I hope the point of it isn't to come off as scary, because hearing that voice supposedly come out of a real human's mouth is about as scary as when Sonic.exe bleeds hyper-realiatic blood at me while doing his Kefka laugh
Don't forget how he threw a pity party when people asked for evidence and he was like "I can't believe you guys would ask for proof, people don't listen to victims anymore" like???
"Chat-GPT understands the legal system" - MamaMax Now this seems like the type of guy to handle an investigation into a supposedly prolific child sex abuser in which he intends to assist and initiate a case against said abuser.
@@maryaruthdunning Yeah, LegalEagle covered it a while ago. The lawyer "thought chatgpt was like a search engine". It gave him a number of US legal briefs (including the identification numbers) that were just made up. At that point, there's no issue, if he'd then researched them himself (like it was an actual search engine), but he didn't look them up himself. He was then confronted to provide the legal briefs to the court and wasn't able to find them. He then used chatgpt to create those briefs (which were entirely made up) and submitted them to the court.
This man certainly should be handling an investigation. He can even get those two lawyers that used Chat-GPT to assist. 3 of the greatest legal minds of our generation, what could possibly go wrong...
1:05:37 Holy shit, him pulling up a ChatGPT answer is comedic gold. The cherry on top of the shitpile. He honestly just entered his questioned, saw the answer and went; "Got him" Actual rebranding to Mamamoron
Me being one of them. This has broken my heart. He wanted fame more than helping people. When he did his expose on defending himself. Is about when I started to see the cracks in his mentality.
I totally forgot Nexpo was involved in helping Max gain a following! I wonder if he will speak on this or distance himself from Max... if not, it shows his true character.
His actions with his audience is giving me huge cult vibes with the way he takes vulnerable young people who suffered SA and weaponizes their trauma and emotions to do his bidding and to financially support him. Also him calling his audience his “children” in that larping batman voice was not only giga cringe but also creepy and throws up like 20 red flags.
Mamamax is the perfect textbook example of someone with main character syndrome and a saviour complex. So deluded in his own head of how much of a hero he is he inevitably imploded his own career.
I think the best way to describe how important this was to Max is to ask him the question "if this did indeed go to court and you had to testify on the witnesses behalf would you ask the judge if you could testify with a voice changer?"
“At least let me put up a board that says ‘disclaimer for legal reasons: everything I am about to say is a lie. Please take this as a work of fiction. Any names and incidences that align with actual people and events are coincidental. Enjoy’ but I want people to still know that when I’m not doing my edgy cringe voice, it’s fake and when I am doing the edgy cringe voice, it’s real, except when it’s not real which you’ll be able to tell because of the cringe theatrics which name actual criminals, so you’re going to have to ignore the disclaimer about names being fictional, except when it is fictional when it comes to the cringe theatrics because entertainment and such”
Woahh... is that seriously him repeatedly racking the slide on a handgun??? 1:14:09 I'd recognize the sound anywhere. It produces a VERY distinct sound... and I'm about 99% sure that's exactly what we're hearing in this video. I listened to it multiple times.
I can’t stress how much those predator hunter channels harm investigations. Not only do they walk, but now they are way more cautious. They are basically a trial run for these guys.
@TravisJS399 you could quite literally offer screen recordings of a predator talking to a very convincing minor decoy, and it will be deemed "inadmissible" due to it merely being a third party from law.
Dude….that last discord clip is INSANE. I have literally rewatched that clip so many times and just the jaw dropping audio from max being a coward. “Why is it up to me?” DUDE YOU BROUGHT THIS CASE UP WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT
@@rnpee Yeah that's why he went to Charlie as well. Initially he probably wanted Charlie to run with this but became frustrated because Charlie couldn't devote the time to it due to his lack of response from covid. It's crazy how he put this off for three years then expected Charlie and Muta to be like, sure we'll take up the slack for the complete insanity you made of what could be a real case. Plus the expectations that this should go to RUclipsrs really compounds on Max's complete inability to take any of this seriously. The guy's Ego is through the roof.
It’s funny how Max sees himself as a cult destroyer when in the process he’s created a cult-like environment himself. He’s made these victims feel like he’s their saviour from their previous traumas, and uses them to make content. Then he tries to intensely recruit people for his cause. He’s using the exact “charismatic leader” tactics he claims to be against and has surrounded himself with vulnerable women that he now has power over because he quite literally won’t leave the case in the hands of the police
Why tf did mamamax make his voice sound like that? He sounds like an edgelord trying to be all epic and serious, just to sound like he's swallowing the fucking mic. Can't even fathom how anyone could've gone through a whole video of that.
From doing edgelord henti reviews to incel woe is me cringe videos to making silly videos about catching predtaors, this guy’s whole career on youtube is a joke
I found him by his Kanye Quest video, and I remember really liking that and subscribing. But after I saw him doing the creepyvoice over real issues and handling them like spooky campfire stories, I unsubbed. There's a time and place for sure. When it was just about video games, I thought it was kinda funny and a fitting voice for the type of content it was, since a creepy easter egg in an RPGmaker horror game is already not that scary, but I felt such genuine ick when I saw him try to cover real situations in the same way.
I never heard of him before this video but the second mutahar pulled up his video with his voice changer I was like “is this a joke to this guy” and an hour later I can confidently say, yes. It is a joke to this guy.
@@porkyonfroy8338 charges almost never go through for any of these virtue signaling weirdos. Doing this for entertainment is literally always irresponsible
@@DaemonJerky totally agree. any decent human wouldn't even take this content to an online public space. this guy is clout chasing nothing more at this point and that voice changer approach to address a comment feed is just cringe, he needs to get help from mental health professionals.
The only people that i pay to see this kind of thing early is DAP (dads against predators), and they were even on VICE exposing the growing pedophilia problem. People can say its sketch but there's no alternative to really expose these monsters besides directly and with cameras, and not alone too. One of DAPs guys got shot, a veteran might i add, and this man nicknamed Boopac got murdered exposing one on his own. Its a problem that should become more relevant, but not in a 😾 vaneer that mamamax conjured-up. 'More of a 'DAP's gonna find you' kind of way
Ain’t no way he consulted ChatGPT for legal advice. This has to be the most elaborate joke, right? There’s no way he wants us take this seriously. Max has truly baffled me with that.
"You can't tell your story anymore" AS A SA VICTIM THAT ACTUALLY PISSES ME OFF. Due to the fact that this is a serious claim and if you wanna seek justice YOU HAVE TO GET EVIDENCE.
That last clip really hit hard. Muta was trying to gain a better understanding to help the situation, but hearing Max’s responses is what did it for me. He’s practically instigating while allowing Spencer to go off on Muta, that’s no thing any friend would do. I’ve been a follower of Muta and Max for years, so seeing this video is heartbreaking. I can’t imagine what you’re experiencing muta, but I know you’re taking the right course of action in all this
Max the type of dude to display himself opening an audio file that contains the desperate cries of a child getting SAd and then insert a clip of himself acting all sad and disturbed, just to make sure you know he hates pdfiles . What a bold stance man! Hating pdfiles takes a lot of guts.
he did something like that with an abimal abuse video, didnt he? inexplicitly put the audio clip of a puppy being abused and afterwards does his "... what sick human would do this." thing? i swear ive watched the video and got disturbed by the audio and it made me avoid any and all of his content
alright i found the video in question being puppystomp and im still baffled he included it in the first place. even with a small disclaimer, its still in horrendous taste to add that. i havent watched enough of his content (frankly because his editing leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the way hes handled these things) to know if he consistently adds clips of the other forms of abuse he covers but its sickening that he would even consider putting the videos and media he's crusading against into his own work and putting it out there for his thousands upon thousands of fans to see and hear
Max has finally admitted that he was too busy to investigate Spencer's allegations for three years because he was busy fictionalizing his other investigations. Spencer was present in the call when he admitted this, and she's not immediately offended?! It is probably the biggest insult one could give to a victim, yet she is going to continue supporting him and be used like a tear-jerking prop at the end of his "accountability" video. She seems to care only when it's convenient financially.
I can definitely understand being a victim and hanging onto the one person you feel like is the only one trying to “fight for you”. (If that’s the case I hope someone actually gives them the proper legal help and a voice and they realize how awful max is treating their case and them) not saying your wrong tho mama max is so fucking unpredictable at this point 💀
From what I understand, Spencer and Max have a relationship with years of history. I'm unsure if it was romantic or platonic, or if she is even truly a victim or just playing it up for Max. If her story is true, Max is the one trivialising it and making people question the story
@@ericbyo9472 We don't know the full story. There is still room for lots of assumptions and speculation. It is a possibility that Spencer is a victim of assault and there are some elements of truth within the lies. We just don't know. Mamamax is obviously a liar and is full of shit, but Spencers involvement is still a blurry aspect.
Used to be a really big fan of Max’s. I even supported his patreon at one point. The shift from game analysis/conspiracies to true crime to active cases being handled so incorrectly really distanced me but this most recent shift to “GODCULT” is the final straw it’s gotta be one of the most improperly handled investigations I’ve ever seen and it makes me feel physically ill. He’s not helping people at this point, he’s just doing damage to likely real cases. I’m so sick of crime being treated as clout and content.
"ChatGPT understands the legal system" Is the funniest thing I've heard anyone say in a long time. LegalEagle made a video on this ages ago. Actual lawyers have been disbarred for using ChatGPT, because ChatGPT will regularly just make up cases and cite them as sources in legal arguments. ChatGPT does not "understand the legal system." It doesn't "understand" anything. Half the time it's basically just procedurally generating actual gibberish.
Which is also funny considering Max had a whole bit about the dangers of AI contributing to exploitation. I mean, what do you expect from the guy who believes someone's MEMORY is enough to warrant as evidence?
Well, obviously Max operates on the principle of "rules for thee, not for me." In other words, his warnings about AI don't seem to apply when he's the one using it. And just to reiterate in case anyone's wondering; ChatGPT *cannot provide* effective legal counseling. It has been caught literally just fabricating cases and precedents. AI "hallucinations" are a fascinating but alarming issue that is rarely spoken of, even though a lot of people are excitedly rushing to implement AI tools and solutions into all aspects of everyday life. As an educator myself, I genuinely worry that the views expressed by Max - that AI can and should be trusted even in cases where its use is of real consequence to real people - are gaining a lot of traction; particularly among the young crowd that he appeals to, who seem increasingly convinced that you barely need any education whatsoever when an app can generate solutions for you.@@rnpee
I tried using GPT to help remember the name of an obscure album (Jun Fukumachi - Starview) and at first it suggested real albums by similar artists, but it devolved into GPT suggesting albums that do not exist but really sound like they could exist, with album names that sound like the respective artist would come up with.
Yep. AI will do that and no one knows why. And that's why you still shouldn't use it as anything other than a glorified search engine, or at least verify what its saying. As an educator, I can comfortably say that we will know what you did if you start handing in papers full of random, made-up sources and citations. @@alexwhite3959
The fact Muta literally sounded like a disappointed friend and gave him so many benefits despite his lack of change shows how much of a good friend Muta was.
Meanwhile this video makes Max sound like a complete and utter user. His _default tactic_ is to shame people just for asking questions, he name-drops RUclipsrs all the time and bitches when popular channels won't work with him, and he restructured his whole video JUST to be passive aggressive to critikal for the crime of not answering a DM fast enough. Psycho behaviour.
Max is the type of guy to think he’s a vigilante and frame himself as a hero, when really he is nothing but a power hungry, virtu-signaling individual.
@@rapu4 well not always there's tons of small 'activist' type of channels where the endgame isn't really money, rather it's raising awareness of some scam or scammer for moral reasons and/or because it's just an interesting subject and/or because(more rarely) the scam/scammer are just really, really really funny.
he tries soo hard to look cool with his "style" of editing and the cringe voice he's doin😂 even in his apology video where he is supposed to be real and honest, he still come across like a theater kid acting his sad puppy face. a performative narcissist
after the whole "pick a side" fiasco, that was what really made me take a step back and critically examine Max's content and realize how deeply fucked up it really was. christ.
How this guy managed to keep this reputation squeaky clean for so long is beyond me. I've always felt something off when I saw his videos pop on my recommended
@@nojuanatall3281 Yes, it's giving "I'm one of the good adults that you can trust! Don't trust anybody else but me and my supporters!" which is very sus. Also, the fact he is now living with Spencer... I feel I have heard this story before and it doesn't end well.
bro i made a video back in 2021 warning people about a scam. it has 17 views. ............ *I'VE* done a better job warning people about scammers than Max has catching predators lol. literally 17 - 0.
I tried looking up anything about Spencer being missing in her area of Texas all that comes up is the poster and a bunch of reddit posts talking about not finding anything.
She was never abused. Her family loved her. She ran away to be with her boyfriend in a role playing group. She was only gone a couple of months. Max was paying her for a story. Gave her a place to live under making her money and making him money.
Hey Muta, I am the Hecc you see in his discord calls, used to be a mod for him. Would love to chitchat if you plan on following this. I was additionally directly involved in the imvu video as that's a program I've been familiar with for many many years, and was very disappointed in his "investigation". There's a lot of stuff that happened just on discord that is not covered. I've also met him personally, along with a few other youtubers. I think about these experiences often, even years later, but have never spoken up. Glad to see people catching on to his bs.
Considering Max's attempt to make a spectacle out of a grim topic, it's almost tragically poetic how invested I am in the spectacle of his fall from grace. I hope whatever you have to say comes out!
I don’t have a twitter T.T I reached out on here and on his Facebook channel, I’ve also emailed another RUclipsr that has been following this story for a while too. I don’t really have the know-how to make my own video, but I have been considering it
@@joog79muta’s always been an example to follow when it comes to ethically navigating a youtube career, but man, it sucks that he has to lose people like this. the man works hard, pity to see him go through hardship for it.
@@vorbo01 God this is such a an insensitive way to respond to this comment. Having Internet friends isn't an issue as long as you're safe about it. Muta trusted Max to be a good person and Max betrayed that. It was NEVER mutas job (or anyone else's for that matter) to somehow predict Max's awful shitshow happening, stop with the victim blaming garbage please.
@@vorbo01 look man if your main argument for being against Internet friends is that it's "cringe" then I don't think we have anything to say to each other at this point just please try to consider Muta wasn't the only one negativily affected by this bs, that real people who have been preyed on by predators looked up to Max because of his nasty hero facad. Not everyone is as "enlightened" as you are. Have a nice life.
Max makes himself the hero of other people's stories, then lashes out with "why is this my job, why are you putting it all on me." you can see now more than ever that this career of "investigative journalism" was only ever him feeding his superiority complex by stalking and trolling shitty people online, and thinking that made him impervious to criticism.
His channel is now hidden when you search for it. You can still find it if you search for a specific video, but it looks like he's slipping away from view.
As soon as I found out a while back that Spencer is LIVING WITH MAX, the entire case lost credibility for me. I knew there had to be some kind of overtly personal reason he is going so hard and self-destructing for this weak-on-evidence case. There is something WAY off here.
A lot of things don’t add up about Spencer. My theory is that Cam is an ex of hers and she now wants to ruin his life out of pettiness with help from Max.
She's not taking this situation with the respect and seriousness it deserves, if not for her, for the other victims. But if she was abducted by a cult leader once, she might again be victim of another narcissistic character creating another cult by promising "salvation" and "justice" and a "sense of belonging" to vulnerable people: Max.
@@consuelonunez792 dark. This is prime material for an exposè video that has schizophrenic occult horror edits narrated by a digitally pitched down voice. And a gif of a growling young black man with plastic fangs bought from Spirit Halloween.
@@consuelonunez792 More likely she was complicit and an active willing participant, so she's trying to paint him as some evil brainwashing cult leader to absolve herself of all guilt
what kills me is it is so easy to avoid ALL of this. it's so easy to put "this is a recreation" at the bottom of the screen. It's so easy to call a county police station and request documents, body cam, inquire about an arrest. he fails to do so every. single. time. Buy a law textbook, watch some true crime videos, consult lawyers (albeit that one is a little finance based.) he chooses every single time to be dishonest about shit that truly matters! as a survivor of S/A the more things like these are mishandled, the more it harms people like Spencer. There's clear manipulation coming from Max to Spencer. None of this is healthy nor helpful. Truly hope he seeks therapy bc while I don't think what he covers is necessarily wrong, he doesn't seem to take anything seriously while perpetuating harmful behavior.
yes, exactly. the reason why i liked max (as a survivor of these things as well) was because i truly believed he was doing a good thing. he is not the first pedo poacher on the site, and won't be the last. i even think that his weird cinematic shit is actually fire, and the rage he displays genuinely echos how i feel about the people who hurt kids. my issue is he's going about this the wrong way, and he's clearly declining, at least socially. i don't feel comfortable saying he's mentally ill or something, but he's not fit to do this. he has a history of compulsion and holding grudges, and he's not the most reliable narrator.
I’ve said this many times before but this is coming from a man who admitted that he uses CHATGPT as a lawyer, including for the purpose of writing the nda he posted in fucking discord, and is using that to apparently start an international lawsuit to sue Muta. He lied about a girl getting SA’d and killed, doxxed Camdan’s family, admitted he lied about every case he’s every worked on, he admitted he’s never caught a single predator, he accused a fellow RUclipsr Magnetar of being a ped0 because he was dating a girl max really liked so he fabricated “evidence” and took the words as just that, he’s alleging that testimony is evidence and nothing further is needed even though 5 girls came out and said he’s abusive and he denies that, he also houses Spencer and she’s a close family friend (conflict of interest) and she’s the money manager of this Camdan operation, he also made an entire song detailing that he wants predators to give him head, and there’s just too much to list it’s really bad.
As someone who used to work with convicted sex offenders, i can definitively state that this kind of posing as a child honeypot thing can get someone arrested... IF LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES IT. If just any rando does this, it's most likely not gonna do shit
There are a small handful of these channels that get a decent amount of convictions. Just repeating old talking points that are no longer true. The police have learned what they're doing and often arrest these predators.
not only will it not do anything, it has the potential to make it more difficult to prosecute that person in the future as they’ll already have a false report on their record
@@mashuxgrim66 sure, some of these channels are idiotic clout chasers. Some do good research, collection of evidence, and conduct themselves in a professional manner often leading to arrest. So long as people arent stupid it works out.
@@Bru21424 That's a job that does exist.... turns out providing therapy and psychiatric services reduces recitivism and reoffending quite a bit. But nobody wants a nuanced conversation about CSA so these facts often fly under the radar.
I hate to be That Person because it's so easy to say this after the fact but... I'm so glad everybody is on this guy's throat lmao. I watched one video of his years ago, and while I could appreciate someone covering the topic, the dramatics were too much for me. It's like he just loves hearing himself talk. Couldn't finish another one lol
He took and continues to take advantage of sexual abuse victims to line his pockets. As a r*pe victim myself, I feel incredibly betrayed and heartbroken. He ACTIVELY took money from REAL victims while parading around a hero complex that was undeserved. He revictimized thousands of people. He stole money from victims and made us feel used and vulnerable all over again. I genuinely have the same pit in my stomach that I feel when thinking about my r*pe. I feel used just like I did before. What he did is sickening.
I am so sorry this has affected you so deeply. As a former subscriber of Max, I am also horrified and feel betrayed and lied to. If he could do something like this, it makes me reconsider all of the allegations his ex's made about him
I really wish we could protect vulnerable people on YT from feeling like they can trust these self-made e-celebs over and over and getting disappointed and re-victimized all over again. it isn't people's fault but we can't keep acting surprised either..it's a problem. I hope you recover from the extra hurt he caused you
@@peachy_lili Sad thing is, YT is an escape. Its all fantasy and quick dopamine to get away from what struggles we deal with. We come here expecting things to be surface value, with some intimate moments with watching something grow. Turns out, its all personas. It's hard for SA victims, because YT thrives off of the same thing r*pists do. Exploitation of your desperation to be away from whatever it was that was going on before you ran into them.
i’m so sorry. i am also a r*pe survivor and i think what he did is incredibly cruel, wrong and unfair. i felt betrayed and heartbroken over other survivors and victims as well.
Something that is standing out to me that no one seems to have dug any deeper on is when asked if he is going to 'bring him to court'; Max says that a lawyer advised them not to pursue a case because Camdan 'likely does not have substantial assets'. This sound as if, instead of pressing charges and accusing him of a crime, Max looked into suing him for money, which seems strange to do when you are so confident that he has committed a crime.
That's because, to people like Max, you are guilty until proven innocent. He hasn't once bothered to try to find evidence of a crime. Instead, he blindly believes the accusers and looks for something he can get Camden on.
Victims are usually able to sue those who have victimized them but not faced charges. If a civil court agrees that the victim deserves compensation the criminal has to pay the victims or their families. Unfortunately this is only able ti be used against those sho have money to compensate you
It's absolutely killing me how many people still don't get that there is no "cult" here. The entire thing is a fiction invented for his "films." The fact that he's never once provided a single bit of actionable evidence against ANY predators and has admitted that everything he's shown in his videos (the IMVU shit, the Discord server, etc) were all made up makes it super fucking obvious that Spencer, who remember is a LIFELONG FRIEND OF HIS, is just someone in on the act. That's it. There's no cult. No trafficking. No big ring. It's all bullshit for views.
Part of the issue is that these are serious topics that shouldn’t be held under a dramatic light, especially with a tone that’s taken seriously. He’s going on about allegations as if these have actually happened if they haven’t and these things are serious and do affect real people almost every day. Even assuming these didn’t happen he doesn’t say anything to suggest this is all fictitious, and his tone and accusations alone are very serious even in a fake manner. So cult or no cult, real or not, he either doesn’t have any real solid evidence to back up his claims, or he’s essentially making light of a serious thing that’s still going on and should actually be stopped.
I’ve said this many times before but this is coming from a man who admitted that he uses CHATGPT as a lawyer, including for the purpose of writing the nda he posted in fucking discord, and is using that to apparently start an international lawsuit to sue Muta. He lied about a girl getting SA’d and killed, doxxed Camdan’s family, admitted he lied about every case he’s every worked on, he admitted he’s never caught a single predator, he accused a fellow RUclipsr Magnetar of being a ped0 because he was dating a girl max really liked so he fabricated “evidence” and took the words as just that, he’s alleging that testimony is evidence and nothing further is needed even though 5 girls came out and said he’s abusive and he denies that, he also houses Spencer and she’s a close family friend (conflict of interest) and she’s the money manager of this Camdan operation, he also made an entire song detailing that he wants predators to give him head, and there’s just too much to list it’s really bad. I wouldn’t go as far as to say there’s no survivors of this alleged human being, but he’s ruined the whole case against Camdan if there was one to begin with, and he’s given Camdan and his family the ability to build a defamation case against him for what he’s done with doxxing/inciting harassment with no evidence.
Yeah, finding out that Spencer is a childhood friend of his completely invalidated everything she's said for me. If there are other victims unrelated to the two of them, then I'll change my mind based on what those victims say. The two of them are wildly untrustworthy.
@@GuyNamedSean It is claimed that there were several hundreds of minors targeted by Camdan, but you would think that at least ONE of them would've presented their testimony at some point, right? Spencer's testimony is the only thing that exists, and it's only because she's already an acquaintance of Max. If this is not an entirely fabricated story (I don't think Camdan is even a real person at all) I don't know what is.
Mamamax’s weird apology video was the last straw. Calling everyone who was dunking on him a transphobe was laughable and idiotic. This guy lost the plot.
The Woke like Max always go for the "you're all just transphobic bigots" card when justifying themselves. They use false non-existent identities to hide behind, to make themselves look like victims, because they don't think they need to change and thus they always blame society for their own issues.
I'm surprised yet relieved that he finally faces criticism for the way he edits and portrays serious videos. To me, it always felt like he wanted to make everything about him with the obnoxious, intrusive and legit non-contributing channel awesome skits he littered throughout videos about literal child victims or snuff videos. It's like he didn't even want to give the victims in question a voice, it appeared as if he merely used them to strengthen his stupid edgy persona. This guy has always rubbed me the wrong way, man. Glad that people are speaking up
I used to watch Mamamax prior to the stuff he does now, I liked his videos and still do. I like TCAP too, but what Max is doing now is purely sensationalist and it bothered me at the time that more people weren't sharing my opionion. It's so good seeing people finally poking holes in his bs.
Fr. The flashing lights and loud music in the video also could prevent people with epilepsy and sensory processing disorders from viewing it. I'm not saying EVERY video needs to accommodate for those problems, but if you want AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE to be able to view and learn about this case? It would be a smart move to try to make sure they could view it, too.
I "love" how he explained this bc it basically boils down to "yeah the details of these extremely serious allegations are too boring for me so I just made stuff up"
What sickens me is when people treat social media stars as heroes and get surprised and shocked to turn out when they're narcissists. NEVER worship a celebrities or e-celebrity. They're just humans.
I’ll admit like I never looked deep into Max but idk just , ig it ultimately fell on copium but I just hoped there was someone out there doing something
Max going on about how "Oh Charlie didn't respond so he must be an abuser. Cancel him now like he's a Netflix subscription" sounds exactly like a jealous partner going "Oh you didnt respond to my text within three minutes so youre cheating" its just so sad and desperate and speaks volumes about what he ever actually cared about
Man...as someone who genuinely enjoyed MamaMax videos I am beyond disappointed. He seriously paints it as if he's actually doing something about it and one could overlook the artsy aspect because of it but listening to him pratically admitting to making up cases and stagnating legit ones really just adds him into a new disgusting light. I am ashamed that I believed him. I don't usually delve into the discords or even social media that youtubers create so all this stuff happening in the background always comes as a surprise to me.
Same sadly, but tbh I felt something was off when Nick Crowley and Nexpo stopped associating with him, I liked all three creators but when two of them continued to do stuff together and the third one got left out I started feeling like something was up. I'm usually kinda proud of realizing creators kinda suck before it gets revealed just how much they actually suck (creepshow art and iilluminaughtii being the two main ones I stopped watching because of bad vibes before they were revealed to be toxic), so now I'm disappointed in both Max and mostly myself for not catching it sooner. I thought the shock factor was important in a way to get people to remember him and his content, to keep calling terrible people out. But over time I guess I did get kinda annoyed with his approach. Still not enough to no longer consider myself a fan though. Oh well, you live and you learn
Instead of creating some fantasy where he larps as an edgy pdo hunter, i just wish he went back to doing videos about creepy games. At least then, the dramatics would be warranted and not positively cringeworthy. What a waste.
As someone who was targeted by a 'pedo hunting quad' on Discord I wish people would start taking it seriously, because it just makes me want to turn a blind eye to it all. I was harassed for two years by them in various ways, they kept 'dossiers' on me out of actual context, would ask servers to block me, and when I refused to infiltrate a 'pedo' ring (basically a bunch of people they just didnt like from what I could tell) they started calling me a 'pedo sympathiser' when I'd done literally nothing. I dont know how unique my situation is, but if more people do that then more will feel jaded and avoidant to the whole thing like I do, and that's the thing that worries me the most. Seeing Mutas hard lean into having proof is comforting.
Agreed. This seems to be a thing people make a fallacy of to either take out competitors in business or sports or politics and or as revenge from an angry ex or child, sad as that is. People do sick things at times.
I’m sorry to say that your situation isn’t unique. Speaking as a guy who got called racist by Cancel Pigs on Twitter because I said that the Obi-Wan show was terrible and the story of Reva is just a rip-off of the Inferno Squad campaign from Battlefront 2. While it’s not as extreme as your case, there are a bunch of cultists online that go after people purely because they don’t like them. And they do horrible things to people and then try and claim YOU are the one doing it. And people are taking things like this seriously because it’s becoming obvious that they are just lying hypocrites.
"Pedo hunters" unfortunately are usually a red flag. Way too many of them are either clout goblins or sadists who want the barest of moral justification for their actions.
Mamamax is when happens with someone takes their fantasies about being a creepypasta protagonist far too seriously. If these things truly happened to them, he has done them a serious injustice. Ffs.
1:07:40 Ah yes, the tried and true method of, "If I just get really fucking loud I'll win." Also can we just point out that Mutahar brought his fist down in that last Discord Call at the end? That is the scariest shit. Mutahar is a really goofy and really fun guy, so for him to be angry is so alien to me it's scary.
I don’t understand why these people feel that you, Muta, are obligated to speak to any victims or investigate any of this. You aren’t the cops. I don’t understand anything that happened in that two hour long call. If they have a case, they can go to the cops like any civilian. I genuinely am baffled
They won't dare to go to the cops because they fear more digging would uncover that this is all blown out of proportion or worse, fabricated. It's not like Sarah's case with onision. Even those chris hansen bungled her case, she still went to the police.
My speculation is they don’t want the problem solved. They want attention. Why else would they call out/harass some of the biggest content creators on YT? They want clout and online sympathy.
I hate to say this but it's because they want attention and/or don't somehow understand the fact that you can't just trust a random persons word on the internet. It sucks if this is all real, but it is what it is. You need evidence because without it no1 can take you seriously.
Max wants attention AND money. his Patreon has over 10k supporters, the last time the number was able to be seen publicly. Lerix mentions this in his video on Max.
For me, it’s frustrating that it took this long. I was screaming it in the comments on max’s videos for a long time, warning people not to fall for this, that the edgy theatrics and disclaimer invalidate the “real” part, that his vigilante bit, promoting criminal behavior, is not something to cheer on, and that max is not a good person. Everyone kept calling me a hater and accused me of being pro PDF file. It was right there in plain sight all along. How did these people all fall for it for so long?
What's worse is if you saw the stream with Chud Logic, muta talks about how he never reciprocated the irl friend side of their relationship. Muta talks about how he found it weird that he would include Max in personal details about his life but max would never reciprocate, as friends do. It just shows max never saw muta as a friend, and as his actions have shown throughout this storyline, he wanted muta as a shield and access to his clout. And what's even sadder is it felt like muta still didn't even want to accept that. I'm only a few mins in so maybe it'll come up but I've been following this closely and that shit bummed me out.
I looked at the comments of mamamax’s “apology” and turns out one of his lawyers actually tried their best to make the apology simple but mamamax said “fuck it” and fucked up
it’s so infuriating finding out how he made predators on IMVU into a flashy horror movie and took away the credibility of the issue. i know someone who genuinely was groomed on IMVU, there is a legitimate issue there but max makes a mockery of it
IMVU was the last straw for me, throwing in a hotline Miami murder thriller edit into the middle of it as if saying he went and did justice himself, or got someone else to was just.... no....
I am fucking blown away that this dude had the gall to turn false rape accusations into a god damned ARG. i cant even imagine how twisted and disfigured your soul has to be to even come up with such a heinous act. Its flat out evil. This story is nothing short of torture to bear witness to Edit: the cult guy is not the only person being accused by max
We don’t actually know if it’s a false accusation or not but I’d say it’s way worse if it is real, turning a victims story into an ARG is like the worst possible thing you could do about that kind of situation
Here's what I think: I think Max literally has little to no evidence and the reason why he wanted the big RUclipsrs to cover Spencer's story was so he could use their influence and reputation to give her story credibility without having to be verified. He basically wanted to use those RUclipsrs influence and credibility to hide his lack of evidence and hoped people would take it as fact without checking. Ofcourse there's also the fact he wanted those RUclipsrs to also drive traffic to his and subsequently Spencer's channels and boosting their clout, which is equally scummy
@@mannishonestly I'd rather watch true crime and real life mystery RUclipsrs like Nick Crowley, blameitonjorge and Dave's Lemonade nowadays. I've grown out of ARG and obviously fake creepy youtube channel youtubers.
@@dtxspeaks268i’m not a huge fan of it either nowadays, but my favorite videos from nexpo and creators like him are ones on real events documented on the internet
absolutely cannot stand when people do that. He makes himself sound like a 40 year old man who is 8' tall and has smoked since they were 4 years old. I do not understand the need for it.
I don't understand how any YTuber could've taken him seriously before! It's like if YTubers started to take Corpse's creepypasta stories seriously, it's so absurd and stupid...
@@BType13X2 Is the voice changer fad actually becoming a thing? Barely Sociable does it, Nexpo does it, Corpse Husband does it, and this dude Mamamax does it. Just WHY?
It's extremely heartening to see the Internet demand proper scrutiny instead of grabbing pitchforks and hopping on a bandwagon. It's one thing to listen to victims, it's another to ignore the burden of proof and treat accusations as convictions. I understand the visceral hatred and fear people have of predators. I don't want children to be victimized, but I also don't want self-appointed internet sleuths leading amateur witch hunts that lead to more situations like the death of Sunil Tripathi. Mob mentality literally kills people, and the presumption of innocence is the backbone of a just and functioning society. We can't afford to forget that.
I subscribed to him back in middle school for his Life Sucks series and anime reviews, so once he did his predator series, I was still a teenager. I'm also a CSA survivor, so you can guess how this might have made me vulnerable to MamaMax's content. It only took until I've became a full-fledged adult to realize just how pathetic this man is. He's a man with a hero complex that completely misunderstood the themes of Hotline Miami, used that as his theme for all of his over-edited videos, and made a mockery of the subject in order to come off cool and edgy. He's only done worse for victims, and I'm sad that many survivors are still stuck in this guy's (honest-to-god) cult. He thinks that the cult is a work of fiction, but I think differently.
I absolutely see where you are coming from. As a child in my preteens, seeing his content on roly-poly and Sad Satan was captivating, but as he pushed into the predator hunting scene I felt a strong trust in him as a CSA survivor myself. I wan one of those fans that defended him to the ends of the earth, no matter how cringe people thought he was. As an adult, and now that all of this is coming out, I honestly feel gutted. He felt like the only person who listened to our stories at the time, and I was so isolated from other people who actually helped victims (partially by his design, I believe), that I almost felt as though he was a protector of me and my story as well, despite him never talking about it or even knowing it. I feel whatever he has going on, having his fans call him "MAMA max" or even just "mama" is telling of the cult-like fan base hes garnered.
@@voodoo2006 Valid question!! Not a lot of people really care to know that stuff, so I'd understand why you wouldn't ve informed. It mean child sexual assault, and is used in an acronym because people can find it emtionally difficult to say or talk about the whole phrase.
Using acronym CSA is as much of a "damper" as saying "The N word" instead of a real word. People use these things as acronyms because when you talk/type about it a lot humans want to shorten the load, similarly how language always evolves to have most used words be the shortest. It has nothing to do with emotional difficulty, because it's not idiom like saying "passed away" instead of "died". Saying CSA and Child S*xual Assault evokes the same imagery, people are shortening it because it's easier. We do these things with non emotionally charged things too, slangs are best examples, such as yolo, lmao, lol, cba, idc, etc. Only other reason people may use acronyms or make synonyms is due to ARTIFICIAL censorship, a.k.a. state or corpos having "no no words" on their site. And this is why TikTok kids unironically say "unaliving" instead of you know what (I can't even say that word on YT without being shadow banned), and not a single time in existence of rules has ever a state or corporation made such lists of no no words in effort to keep people safe or anything similar, but only to virtue signal or to make their brand more advertiser friendly. It honestly sounds like you're either disinformed and don't know how language works but regurgitate what someone else said, or you're projecting because you might find it emotionally difficult. On that note, serious question, do you actually find it easier to say CSA instead of the whole phrase if you were to discuss the subject? I've met 2 CSA survivors in my life, and some others who'd use other acronyms, and they wouldn't say a simply acronym suddenly makes it easier to talk about. That being said, I genuinely mean "talk about", not simply say "I'm XXX survivor" and leave it at that. I'm open to changing my mind, but I highly doubt it makes it any easier, and is more of a thing because of other 2 points I've already pointed out above. P.S. There's also a thing for acronyms in English which other cultures do not have. Many Americans and Englishmen unironically use acronyms in day to day communication, which makes it even easier to produce more of them. You'd find other languages having far more "resistance" to casual acronym usage. The very occurrence where an US citizen has a name like Charles Junior but unironically goes his whole life calling himself CJ is almost unheard of anywhere but native English speaking countries. @@MainlyCyanide
I felt that, "I'm out." from Muta. You can tell he felt hurt and betrayed by all of this. A long time ago, I used to like MamaMax. But as time went on had the same questions if this was some sort of avant garde videos on serious topics or some sort of wild obfuscation of real stories. I am beyond annoyed at how he will keep passing the buck and not take responsibility for his fuck up of the facts and delivery as to no mess up investigation integrity. I watched his apology and was mouth agape with how delusional he is. Good vid Muta.
There's a news story out there about how a lawyer got in serious trouble after letting Chat GPT write up a legal brief for him. He never checked the cited court cases, and it turns out not a one of them existed. It could be pulling legal advisement from other countries. It puts together words based on prompts. It can be and likely is entirely wrong about very important aspects of what he's claiming.
@@prissverso406That was hilarious lol, totally the lawyer's fault. I don't think Bing AI/Copilot was available then. But at least that model will pull results straight from the internet and give you sources. Good luck figuring out how ChatGPT came up with the answers it did, that thing is not a Google replacement 💀💀
Check out Nicholas Deorio's video as well!: ruclips.net/video/-p8H5k0REb0/видео.html
Hi
hi muta
The end of his video is elite, loved it.
@@jary2988😭😭
The leviathan (Nick) has come all over MamaEpstein….
I love how MamaMax can't drop the edgy creepypasta reading voice even when discussing serious topics or responding to criticism
It's because he doesn't take this seriously at all
I still remember thinking the voice was a little wierd when I first saw one of his videos, but seeing it now is genuine cringe, it makes it hard to watch.
1:11:29 He drops the voice when he tries to excuse not providing evidence. Kind of interesting that he drops the voice when he's on the defensive.
Same here. Just tone it down a bit, and it'll be _leagues_ more serious than whatever demonic tone of voice MamaMax speaks in.
It can make the video more entertaining and can somewhat help call more attention to the topics at hand. But don't go sounding like a goddamn Decepticon.
@Thefan As Mutah pointed out, it's theatrics, which is not a good thing to be doing when talking about something REAL
Him putting on a "spooky voice" , even while *talking about negative feedback* is already a massive red flag
Yeah, whatever happened to speaking normally?
@@robertnapier624Somehow, he sounds like a bootleg Corpse and people still took him seriously. 🤌
Poor guy is so fake that he even has to fake a voice.
Yeah it's really annoying. Barely Sociable does the same thing. It's like for fuck's sakes, man, you're talking about someone potentially getting murdered and here you are making a spoopy voice to sensationalize and profit from the situation. It's so disgusting.
EXACTLY. How can anyone even take Mamamax seriously when he does a voice like that? What a complete joke.
The fact he waited 3 years to cover this yet was trying to bash critical for not responding sooner is insane.
It’s honestly crazy how he managed too deceive so many people tbh and the fact that people never even saw through his lies is pretty crazy
gonna need a mamamax diss track now
diss track on max when?
Guarantee that if critical HAD done it sooner he would have bitched about "doing it for clout."
The amount of digs on Max that could be made into diss track verses is insane. You could get like 5 on just the spicy anime reviews alone
Some dude on Fivr got paid $5 to roar with fake vampire teeth for mamamax and is now a cult leader
YALL 😂
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this would be even funnier than it already is if this Camdon guy actually ended up being innocent (since there's no actual evidence on him yet) lmaoooo
ikr this shit is so goofy lmao what
Definitely had to sign an NDA before making the roaring video😂😂😂😂
"Stop with the theatrics. Present this with the respect it deserves."
That pretty much sums up how I've always felt about MamaMax. I respected what I thought he was doing but I've always hated the edgy approach. Talking about children's lives, the "look at how cool I am" part does nothing but make a mockery out of a very serious subject.
Honestly, I'm surprised it took this long for people to call him out on this, it was very evident from his videos that it was all just entertainment at the end of the day.
agreed! I respected how he would attempt to out predators, but the edgy clips of himself made me roll my eyes so gd hard 🙄
@@toasterenthusiast6188I believe that it was probably hard to call him out because his fan base witch-hunt people and most people don’t want to have to deal with that.
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i honestly agree, especially now the whole flash and theatrics is just fucking insensitive (also nice deftones pfp)
what really irked me about mamamax and made me unsubscribe was how his recent videos were filled with weird artistic editing and spooooky cult imagery, and then only like, three minutes of it were ACTUALLY dedicated to the victims and the situation at hand. it felt like it was much more about him and his evergrowing hero complex than it ever was about bringing a predator to justice.
thisss omg. I couldn't even take his godcult video seriously because the editing is so over the top and crazy. he barely even discusses video topics and then deflects when called out for it. crazy people in this world
thank you! i had a weird feeling about this guy and his editing style but i couldn't put it to words. This whole things reeks of a 14 year old analog horror for something that should be treated with respect.
Too much ARG in the videos
I think that really shows where his real motivation and priorities are at. And it’s certainly not about caring about the victims and bringing justice for them
@@NickyBlue99 you're so right, how could I have been so uncultured 😔
It's kinda hilarious how Max goes from talking about the dangers of AI to using ChatGPT for legal advice
Dude is a living controversy
He’s a walking contradiction and a hypocrite.
The funny thing is if you use a lot of AI and ask them a legal question the AI themselves say “ Its important to consult with a legal professional who specializes in the relevant area of law to ensure you receive accurate information and representation if needed.”
@@DomesticBonking I guess they literally programmed the AI to always do that when questioned about legal matters so the developers don't get in trouble
Or something like that, Idk, give a read
I have no idea how I missed that
I'm a CSA survivor, and as stupid and edgy I knew his videos are, I still wanted to believe there was some truth to them because I desperately needed to think these monsters would be stopped forever. So I looked up to him a lot for a big part of my teenage years.
Now seeing everything is fake makes my stomach turn.
Giving so many damaged people the hope that this could be stopped, but doing nothing about it... It just feels like having salt rubbed into a wound, so it never heals.
Exactly how I felt. Discovered him and I felt so much comfort as someone who has gone through the things he preached he was “setting out to stop”. Taking a step back and seeing everything for how it is makes me feel so embarrassed
I feel for you. James Somerton sicced his audience on the asexual community after some of us tried to correct him on some misinformation he'd spread. If MamaMax's fans try the same with you, just know that they're the problem, not you.
Well he was doing SOMETHING about it and that something is making money.
Im starting to think it is a mental health issue and he has delusional thinking. Like I don't know if he is in control of his thinking.
I was groomed as a young teenager, too. The guy was like this "cult leader" too, he was this guy in his 20s who claimed to be a vampire.
When this story first broke, I was saddened by everyone just automatically assuming the accuser was lying, going "hard evidence" this, "hard evidence" that. When I was groomed, I didn't even know that what was happening to me WAS grooming, that's the entire reason why guys target young girls for that purpose. Also, it happened before the internet was a widespread thing. How could I be expected to go back and get evidence of that? It's absurd to expect young girls to have the foresight and the wherewithal to automatically mistrust someone they're close to and record every single interaction with everyone, just in case. And it's not like the internet doesn't have a marked history of being misogynistic and disregarding most victims without even bothering to hear their story.
But watching this video, all I feel is a pit in my stomach. If it's all fabricated, that's so incredibly damaging to people like you and me. Because this is so high profile, It just means more victims will be ignored and even flat out turned against by the masses, something I know can be more than enough to drive them to do something drastic, like...um... "Self Crit" (thanks youtube for taking away our voices and not able to mention important topics).
It's hard not to feel hopeless in the face of all this.
Funny how when Mamamax gets genuine criticisms, he just deflects by bringing up defenseless children as a shield. What a hero.
And then calls the person criticising him a predator without any evidence 🤦♂️
What a douche
He’s been doing this for a while- using pedfiles and victims as a crutch. He has a terrifying “you’re with me or against me” approach because he will hurl that accusation at you in a heartbeat.
Yeah if you've seen his streams recently, whenever he doesn't really have a response to something he just mentions something along the lines of "so you don't want for survivors to speak out about their experiences?"
I’ve warned his fans for so many years. But they never listened. Glad they’re finally opening their eyes to the truth
Oh wont you please think about the children!
Faking a controversy to gain clout is one thing, but actually using legitimate survivors of child trafficking just to elevate your savior complex, warping their real, unheard stories into some sort of pretentious, cringy, and tonedeaf ARG for edgelords is a whole new level of unfathomable heartlessness. This is not from the bottom of your heart, Max. This from the bottom of your ego.
Facts
Very well said
With the Spencer thing there's something to keep in mind. She's not a random victim who contacted him. They've known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. Now ask yourself what are the odds that someone who considers themselves a "pedophile hunter" would just happen to know a victim of a sensational werewolf/vampire pedophile cult? That seems _incredibly_ fortuitous. And now we know he'll just make things up...
Inquisitor3 killed himself over baseless accusations. Then you got Max over here saying we should believe in baseless accusations because apparently it’s quicker than the official police channels 🙄
The fact that anyone still believes Spencer et al are actual victims and not actors in his "film production" still baffles me. I cannot understand why anyone doesn't get that the entire thing is fake. Max has never produced any evidence against anyone and has said in calls to assume that EVERYTHING in his videos is fake except "the person being an abuser." There is no cult. There are no victims. The whole thing was fictional from day one.
TBH his predator hunting series feels like something Onision would write in his god awful books. The edginess, the egocentrism, the 'I'm the only one who can save you' mindset, now even questionable relationship with "saved" person, like everything checks out
Feels like? Bro is straight outta Stones to Abbigale at best
Nailed it.
I've been saying this since the first video came out, there was always something suspect about the edgy stuff, it overshadowed the supposed pedohunting
Exactly!!! I honestly didn’t think they were meant to be taken seriously, I thought it was all just an ARG
Yes!! It feels like the deranged, self-obsessed edginess of an Onision video.
A thought just occured, he spent hours writing letters to youtubers, if he really cared, he'd spend that time writing the POLICE and filing a real report.
I agree, but why is your comment spaced like that??
@@BluntSam broken keyboard doubles my keystrokes without my trying. It's annoying af
Max sitting on Spencer’s story for 3 years is crazy. Asking others to put their livelihood and careers on the line without any hard evidence is even crazier.
Same
Spencer Missing Person flyer is circulating Facebook now because a missing person group posted it years ago and now ppl found it, they are trying to contact her family because they think her family is still looking for her. They are in the comments trying to Tag her relatives saying she lives with mama max now
I feel really bad for her and the other survivors.
Bro wants to straw man the argument but he’s trying to force people who are smart enough to not go in blindly.
@@FuckTheRUclipsUsernameChangeAt this point I'm not sure they're "survivors" at all. I don't think Mutahar mentioned it but Max and Spencer have known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. What are the odds that a "pedophile hunter" would just happen to know someone who was the victim of a sensational werewolf/vampire pedophile cult? We already know he'll make thing up.
Someone has pointed out how he stopped the whole "dramatic" editing in a video where he was called out by his exes. So weird how Max is able to be "serious" in a moment where its about him but not about the victims he talks about. It just proved how much of an ego maniac he is.
Exactly, his editing is so cancerous too christ
Oh god that’s a good point. How depressing.
I mean the dude (in my opinion) changed his name so that any criminal record/police records wouldn't pop up when you searched his name.
@@redreaper3065 that could be a possibility, but in that case you'd likely find statements about him from his victims using his old name. nobody has found anything like that (yet).
@@cybercat360_ there was a police report from his one ex that she filed for stalking or something along those lines.
It seems to be the only accusation that holds water, since Max admitted he did creepy stuff towards his ex.
"Why is it my job?" Its so wild to hear someone try to dodge responsibility like this.
Especially because the whole reason they were having that conversation is because he took on the responsibility himself. He could have just told the story and passed the investigation on to someone more qualified, but he decided that it was "his job" instead.
Dont forget the batman voice changer to sound oh so cool
I’ve said this many times over the years and his fans kept accusing anyone criticizing max as being pro PDF files. I bet they feel really smart now
@@notatrollll oh my god hearing him put on his "tough guy" voice during that was hilarious
"Why is this my job?" Maybe because you brought attention to this tragic situation, livestreamed with one of the victims multiple times while trying to contact popular internet creators, and is known to have a yt channel that posts about this topic. Like who the fuck else's job would it be. He did a horrible job informing people about the facts on this issue without the bare minimum of proof to back it all up. What I personally hate about all of this is how he has been parading one of the victims. Having her defend him when he is cornered to a wall with speculations and criticism. He is a disgraceful humanbeing for his poor handling of this very serious issue.
I hope this is resolved and the victims don't suffer anymore from all the negative attention this dumbass has caused.
Hearing him unironically say “now we always need things like evidence. We can’t just listen to people’s stories.” sounds beyond parody. Image a world where someone just saying your guilty automatically condemns you to a guilty man’s fate
Don't have to. North Korea and countries governed by Sharia Law already exists.
You could say in a way we already have that. Not legally but how many lives have been destroyed by false allegations. Even when those allegations are proven false later the damage has been done.
I can smell a crowded jails, like, the whole world, even judge, lawyer, and even home shut NEET, sitting in one cell.
@@evgenivasileuski559 8 billion dudes in a tiny cell doesn't sound nice
Soooo no one is going to mention the fact that an NDA can not be enforced when a crime has been committed?? It doesn't matter what NDA is signed, if it can be used in a criminal investigation, the NDA is completely void. I don't understand how or why people don't understand this, because NDAs are CIVIL documents... You can only be SUED for breaking it... Not ARRESTED. It's not a crime to break an NDA, you will be fined/sued. Anytime someone says "I wish I could show you this hard evidence of a crime, but I'm bound by an NDA" they're LYING.
@@Upsideround this made me giggle. have a little laugh even
thank u c:
Goddamn finally someone said it like it is. Even I know this and I'm from Finland and our justice system works in a whole different way.
That reminds me of an Ace Attorney case where a stage magician refuses to testify in court so as not to "reveal his secrets", which is, of course, silly and wouldn't fly in a real court of law. But Max seems to think that's exactly how real life works.
NDA is not for the crime, it's for the piece of "fictitious" video that MamaMax was making, hence the stupid disclaimer in his stupid video. Since Muta is not being questioned by the police or a court room, where an NDA would mean nothing, this NDA would most likely be enforceable if he were to sign it...well in theory because if he came up with the NDA using chatGPT then i can see it being bad enough to not be enforced. You are right in your statement, just does not apply to Mutas case
@duukn The video itself IS evidence of a crime. You don't need to be speaking to the police, for the NDA to be voided. All you have to do, is present the video (or any evidence) and THEN go to the police at any point in time with the video (or any evidence of a crime) and the pending lawsuit will be stayed, pending the outcome.
“no pressure”
while also simultaneously spamming you and trying to guilt you. truly a hero
Ok, the "ChatGPT understands the legal system" completely knocked me out for a few minutes laughing in bewilderment that someone could actually say this with conviction, and not as a joke
I genuinely think that was the first time that a sentence made my eye twitch in the weirdest mix of anger and pure bewilderment.
It's so funny because, I keep thinking about the case where an actual Lawyer got in HUGE trouble for using ChatGPT when researching a case
Famously.
"Is 450 90% of 500
No, 450 is not 90% of 500. To find 90% of 500,
you can multiply 500 by 0.9, which gives you
450. Wait, actually, yes, 450 is 90% of 500. My
apologies for the confusion."
My favorite chatgpt quote lmao
@@jordanl5444 DAS YOUR NEW GOD DOOD, GET ON YOUR KNEES AND RESPECT YOUR NEW OVERLORD IT'S DA FURE!!!!!! NO HERETICAL WRITINGS AGAINST CHATGPT AND ML ALLOWED
"we need evidence now, we need to consult with lawyers (...) we can't just listen to victims."
I'm a victim of CSA and CSAM. I don't have enough evidence to bring a case against my abuser, because I deleted and destroyed everything related to him out of shame, fear, and anger. It was a mistake, but it's too late now. I do NOT think my word should be enough to get him locked up, even though I would like him removed from society until he is no longer a danger. For my family and friends, I'd like them to believe me based on my testimony, at least enough to offer comfort - but in a court of law, it's a different story.
EXACTLY. When someone close to me shares that they were abused by another person, I will believe them unless proven otherwise. In a court of law, it is very different, as false accusations are often life ruining and the law system wants to make sure an accusation has actual merit and evidence backing it up before punishing the person accused.
Absolutely based take
The worst thing about this is they can actually sue you for defamation if you don't have any evidence and try to come forward publicly.
Report it anyway. Create a paper trail and establish a history for him. If he did it to you, he'll do it to others. If and when he does, your report will only serve to support theirs. It does no harm, and a lot of good, to get his name out there.
@@libernihiluscreating and filing a police report is not defamation. File away.
An NDA does not, I repeat, DOES NOT prevent the disclosure of illegal or illicit activity!
You’d think chat got would tell max that..
BREAK DOWN THE WALLS
@@acutelilmint8035AHAHAHA after all, “ChatGPT understands the legal system”
Any sort of agreement or contract is only as strong as a judge wants it to be. This isn’t an exception. The waivers that McKamey manor uses aren’t exceptions, etc. You can’t just write a contract or NDA that allows you to break the law or to abuse others. How Max doesn’t understand that is beyond me.
they also arent necessarily binding/applicable in Most situations
Seeing Keemstar come onto a stream to discuss a sexual assault case was the most unserious thing I've ever fucking seen
Keemstar is human slime and never takes anything seriously, why anyone would want him to cover something serious is beyond me, but then again, Mamamax isn’t treating this stuff seriously either
If there's drama, you bet your nugget that Keemstar will find himself involved somehow.
@@NomastiAfricanWarlord that's true
@@thehoodedteddy1335 MamaMax literally tried to get Sniperwolf of all people on board to fight against this alleged cult leader. Max actually thinks that a woman who has asked at least a few young teenagers to tw--rk on camera should be a visible part of his movement to take down a supposed child predator. Even if she didn't do that, most of her audience are actual children who would likely find something like this to be very jarring and not entirely understand what's going on; it would be a complete clash with her typical content. So if Max is delusional enough to think Sniperwolf is a good person to get on board, I don't see why Keemstar would be off the table.
What do you mean? Keemstar is known for his level headed takes, deep investigations and definitely not getting himself into drama for more videos.
He chose Hotline Miami, a game in which the message is violence, revenge and vigilantism only cause more violence and suffering, to promote himself as a vigilante. Really shows how smart Max actually is.
Legit, the whole message of that franchise went over his head, he just saw the blood, neon, and animal masks and decided it was cool
We can't talk bad about Hotline Miami, The Game is great, the Message of it is great, the 4th wall breaks are the best. Him trying to treat it like reality onine though, different story. The game is great though
Never played it🤔
Hotline Miami is really like violence is bad but I don’t remember a revenge story, the girl maybe? Last time I played it was like 3 years ago
Literally isn't man. He even wears cosplay masks from the series and was known in the fandom as a weirdo. There's a video on the victim's channel where Max literally dances with it on for 10 hours straight. Max is a deluded villain man.@@frightfactoryYT
Having given this man money, being a former subscriber for years, interacting in his discord frequently and almost being hired by MamaMax as a voice actor ; learning all of this shit breaks my heart but it definitely needs to come to light. Knowing I supported him makes me sick. Thank you for creating this video
Its a lesson learned. Learn from this mistake and try not to be as naive
Probably a voice actor for one of his many performances
How did you blindly follow him when he had no evidence. No one to blame but yourself unfortunately
@@StrykeSZNHindsight is 2020
I still can't believe Max said "Why is it my job?" "Why are you putting it all on me?" Like he wasn't the one that was breaking the case to the public (poorly), put together an evidence server with all of the "victims", has all of the evidence (if there is any), moved one of the "victims" to his house and put her in charge of the money, and has been livestreaming and making videos about it.
and gatekeeper “the evidence” like making others sign a NDA
nda isn’t enforceable anyway in this case, but max gets his legal advice from chatgbt so ofc he doesn’t know that
@@Guitartabstoday Exactly. Him wanting to own the evidence to make his documentary shows what his motives are.
Enforceable or not, his intentions are pretty clear.
Then his "accountability" video afterwards being treated like he had to be the one to take the case instead of going to an investigator? Really comes off like he's going all "hey look at me and all that I'm suffering through" but on the other side of his mouth begging everyone else to do the work with/for him
The evidence is years old, this isn't new.
@@XainArchives What evidence?
What has been out there for years that everyone missed?
I'm so sick of people using children and the protection of children as a grift. They know it's a cause everyone can get behind, and they manipulate that in order to gain money, attention, and power. It's disgusting. It trivializes these issues, which is incredibly dangerous.
Using kids to emotionally stir everyone up (when it’s unwarranted) is like the oldest trick in the book, I don’t know how people are still falling for it. What’s even more sad is how grifters like Mamamax not only uses kids as a shield from criticisms, he actively weaponizes this against other, either critics of him or innocent people like Camden’s family, leaving so much more damage in its wake. Magnatar got called a PDFile and Max’s audience contacted his workplace over this false allegations, and he called Tommy one as well, and having his rabid fanbase telling Tommy, a literal CSA victim, that he deserved what happened to him as a kid. Like the amount of damage he’s caused behind the veil of “I’m doing it for the kids” is astounding and he has basically nothing to show for.
@@chanr9531THINK OF THE CHILDREN *blows up homeless shelter because one of the residents dated a 17.9 yo when he was 18*
If they actually do protect kids, it's a valuable service and I don't mind the begging. I don't know what on this max character was actually doing though.
It's the same as the MeTooMovement and radical Trans activists undoing years of progress for feminists and the LGBT community
@@rustydowd879He was mainly just stalking some girl and carving her name on himself. You know, protecting the children.
as a csa victim who used to support him, this situation hurts. i always assumed his content was just a little overdramatized for awareness and viewer retention, not completely made up.
Same. I started feeling off about it after awhile but never expected all this.
This is why you shouldn’t present such serious topics in these ARG style and just be normal with it. I don’t know how so many people overlooked Mamamax’s presentation style of such a sensitive topic for so long
I even subbed to his Patreon…
I had always looked at him as a really motivated person to put eyes on harming children and the struggles that some kids go through... then some recent weird streams and videos made me question how much all of this has to do with the actual problems, and how much is just put on for show
Same to all of it, it sucks
I've been saying for years that predator hunting is a huge grift. These people just want fame and money.
Agreed
I wouldn't even care that the person is doing it for personal fame if it actually successfully stopped predators.
Remember when Max's exes tried to go after him? His response was zero theatrics and he did a straight and uncensored talk about the situation. Far cry from how he treated this situation. Extremely disrespectful.
So true!! It's always theatrics until it's about him, the "important guy".
ethics for me but not for thee
forgot about that, great point
MolesterMax
im starting to believe his exes were on to something, they provided more evidence then he did here
Appreciate Muta's restraint when Max said "ChatGPT understands the legal system."
I feel he's trying to save himself a fucking stroke
I kinda got lost in the timeline. Did that call happen after the lawyers got blasted for citing cases from chatgpt? Because if so, that really is the greatest take.
@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63Zachariah Crabill; lawyer who was fired after he used ChatGPT at work cause it was making up fake lawsuits. But sure, Ig chatGPTs got the law system figured out
Bro he brought his fist down and my heart skipped a beat. Mans was getting angry at Max.
FUN FACT: there are several instances of lawyers citing fake cases given to them by chatgpt and losing their own case because of it. _Several._
The woman with the incredibly southern twang just digging into him on a livestream was great. Shoutout to her: asking the real questions and demanding basic effort be put in. 😂
I am quite sure that is Xylie
Her voice is just great 😂 I love how she doesn't back down even when Max is trying to give her sas
@@Rhinocodonit was Xylie she freaking dragged him for his stupidity 😭
"Internet vigilante for views only" sums Max up, short and simple
@@MorganVsTheInternet Love Xylie, she's great.
(English is not my main language, sorry for the spelling/grammar mistakes)
I'm a CSA survivor, I was abused by a member of my family for years until I left my home and cut ties with my entire family at 18.
When I discovered Mamamax's channel, it was almost a revelation. Finally! someone was giving a shit about us, someone who didn't care about the bad buzz or the backlash, he was going all in for us no matter what.
His videos were extremely cathartic for me, I never got justice because when I went to the police station at 21 years old to file a complaint I didn't have any evidence or proof of what happened, the abuse had happened a decade ago, I didn't have any pictures or videos or anything other than my testimony with me. Ultimately, it was my word against my abuser's and my complaint was dismissed. I knew it would happen, I was devastated anyway. So his style of editing, with the violent imagery of Hotline Miami and the baseball bats and the fact that, maybe, the guys in his videos were getting what they deserved calmed my anger for a little while because God knows I dreamt of doing it to my abuser more times than I can count.
Now I feel used. I feel like my trauma was used for fame and recognition, that our stories were only there to feed his ego and his online persona. That behind every CSA survivor was a potential ego boost for him. Knowing that he lied, probably created things and made us believe it was true just... I was going to write "disappoint me" but we're way past disappointment. I kinda feel numb. And stupid for putting my trust in a random stranger on the internet, enough to subscribe to his Patreon for a year and give him money just to deceit us. Of course it was too good to be true. I was blinded by my trauma and my need for justice like many others and he took advantage of this to build an entire fanbase. It's sick. I feel sick.
When we are weakest sometimes its easy to form a parasocial esque relationship, all we have is ourselves in the end, sometimes loved ones
@islandbabe88 yes and you shouldn't assume stuff about people you don't know on the internet, it's not because I didn't mention going to therapy that I never saw a therapist fyi. learn to be less ignorant and mind your own business, nobody forced you to read my post. good luck x
Your abuser will get their judgement from God one day. Stay strong and remember God loves you! @anaisalexandre5558
Your English is perfect, you have a very poetic way of writing that is difficult for even native speakers to master. Thank you for sharing your story ❤
That series of outbursts around 1:13:00 was the icing on the cake for how he operates.
- Yells at Muta for not blindly supporting him
- Yells more about how he didnt want to be the one to finish what he started
- Got a victim to try and guilt Muta into investigating
- refuses to understand the burden of evidence falls to him and what he has isnt evidence and would be about as secure as a tissue house in a F5 Tornado
"But ChatGPT said that what Spencer and co say is al the evidence they need to convict".
He is not living in the real world, and that emotionelle blackmail he tried on Mutahar in the call is so so nasty, so glad Nick heard that and called Max out, like wtf, both Spencer and Max is bad ppl, they use that emotionelle shield as blackmail all the time.
This!
That whole call was embarrassing. He used Spencer like an attack dog.
his only criticism of others and his only defense of criticisms of him are "wHat aBoUt tHe cHildRen"
@@o.o1858 and the response to that should be "what children?" since he has literally shown NO evidence of a child being involved in a crime
The thing that annoys me is the fact that Max claims "This person will try to make counter claims to disprove what we've said" - Yes. Anyone would do that if they were being wrongly accused.
it's called a kafka trap
He also tried to insinuate that anyone who doesn't like him is a pedo/kidnapper/rapist, soooo...
Anyone will make counter claims, wrongly accused or rightly so. That's why the hard evidence he's so mad people are asking for is so important.
Like, he himself is making counter claims against all the arguments against him, how doesn't he see that? Difference is, his claims aren't backed
This reeks of charity scammer drunk with power thinking he's unstoppable.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826
He also consulted ChatGPT for legal advice, instead of asking a pro bono lawyer...
That says alot about his level of integrity.
Max is literally the deepest case of main character syndrome I've ever seen. He treats his entire online presence as a show on a stage and he's the noble amazing loveable hero. I thought it was just him playing a character, but it appears not I guess. Same with how some details of his videos were obviously fake which I just thought was the entertainment part of the part entertainment part serious, literally pulling the "so then I called up my darkweb hacker to trace his ip address", but I guess it was all fake
Add saviour complex and persecution complex in there as well. Even with his latest “apology” video, I feel like he still sees himself as the good guy hero and everyone else just doesn’t understand him and he’s being persecuted for trying to do the right thing.
@@BobDevVyeah this hero complex vigilante bullshit is entirely out of control.
Diet coke version of Light Yagami
@@D4WADE nah if there's something below that , it's that guy
I've lately been noticing a recurring theme in assuming people are playing a "narcissist" character only to later realize they actually were.
“stop with the theatrics”
amen. the over the top deep voice was just pure cringe and gave virgin with rage vibes. it did not add anything to the video
and with topics like these it’s almost disrespectful to the victims
The moment Mutah considers you an ex-friend, you are going down badly.
I agree! I remember when he was on the SomeOrdinaryPodcast and the guys were still somewhat supportive of him in future podcast videos. I hope Nux and Caleb have heard about this too.
Friendship ended with Mutahar.
Max exploited the friendship for clout and credibility, I’m glad Muta finally burned the bridge.
This comment doesn’t make Mutah look good like you think it does 😂😂
Stop glazing
I unsubscribed from MamaMax after he rebranded his channel to GODCULT because I was tired of him calling out innocent creators and he just became cringe, but I didn't know the rabbit hole got this deep. It's very unfortunate seeing another creator I used to enjoy utterly ruin their career.
Edit: I realize now that he's always been cringe, but I ignored that when I was still subbed to him.
"became cringe?"
His hotline Miami larping and pitch shifted voice wasn't already???
@@pentexsucks43 yeah, this is what I’m not getting with so many people claiming he’s only cringe recently. He’s always been cringe, even in his early pre-predator catcher days (though he seemed more grounded and maybe a little more tongue in cheeks about his cringe back then). And when he started making his predator catcher content, his edgy pretentious content with him larping as batman using the voice changer calling his audience his “children”, if you didn’t think that was full on cringe, then I assume you’re just really young because one can reasonably see a kid finding this cool or captivating, but if you’re an adult, there’s no way you don’t find that shit cringe.
@@pentexsucks43In hindsight, he was always cringe, but his editing and story telling was what I used to enjoy about his content. Eventually the cringe became too hard to ignore, though.
@@chanr9531I realize that he's always been cringe now. I explained myself in my other reply.
@@zucumberzeezDude, I agree with you. He also came across in the older days as eccentric and empathetic. Yeah, it's been over for a while now, eh?
What’s crazy is the “I didn’t want to do this alone,” “why do I have to do this? Why me?” WHEN HE’S THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS SHIT AND WANTED TO DO IT ON HIS OWN. Absolutely wild and unbelievable.
That's why he wanted a high-profile ytuber to join in his delusional witch-hunt. That way he can loudly proclaim that 'he' was the one who brought the case to light.
@jermy874 to palm it off someone else. He's just a lazy person with low-motivation. Averaging 2 vids/year uploads, I didn't know splicing artsy/edgy clips makes someone a filmmaker. What a joke.
He thinks he's the chosen protagonist of a movie
That voice filter goes to his head
Yeah out of everything he said, him asking why it’s his job to get the story out is what left me absolutely dumbfounded. I just cannot believe he actually said that. Why is it your story, Max? BECAUSE YOU’RE THE ONE BREAKING THE STORY! Max is the bringing this story to the forefront and shedding light on it. He’s the one supposedly talking to the victims, he is the one supplying the information here. He made the choice to take on the story as his project. For him to ask why it’s his job has to be one of the most incompetent things he has said throughout this.
And then for him to try to brush off that responsibility and say he’s only the first one to talk about it but doesn’t want to be the only one to talk about it… dude… you are the one talking to the victims, you are the one pushing this story, and you’re not giving any information. Besides Spencer’s account of what happened with her, there is no information about any of this for people to work with, and that’s because you didn’t give any. Now it all makes sense to me. Because before this whole shit show, I felt like I was waiting for the ball to drop or something. Max put out the first video about it, and when I watched it, I came out feeling like that wasn’t the story, but just a precursor to it. It felt more like a teaser trailer. He identified Camden and made the claims but didn’t actually give information about what happened. I came out of it feeling like it didn’t really “begin” yet. Now I know it’s because Max himself didn’t even know any information. He really made 3 whole videos about it without even fully knowing the ins and outs of the story himself.
Watching this video a few times has got me wondering: what's the point of Max's voice modifier? Initially it seems like it's a part of the act he's putting on, like he's in danger and needs to remain anonymous out of safety. Then in that What Happened to Mamamax video, you see his face and everything, it looks like he's going mask-off, but he's _still_ got the voice mod on. I hope the point of it isn't to come off as scary, because hearing that voice supposedly come out of a real human's mouth is about as scary as when Sonic.exe bleeds hyper-realiatic blood at me while doing his Kefka laugh
He's just being an Edgy McEdgelord
i think it's just because he's an insanely insecure person lmao
Is not he on record saying he's insecure about his voice lmao
@@npickle54reminds me of that scene from the mean girls musical when Regina tells that boy to stop faking his voice
When Max framed it as _"if you don't agree you're probably a predator"_ it was a big red flag, but I dismissed it as his weird theatrics.
i did too, i thought this was leading up to some reveal, but that never happened
That kind of speech is simple bullying and virtue signalling
Yeah when I saw that I was like “nope I don’t trust this guy.”
Don't forget how he threw a pity party when people asked for evidence and he was like "I can't believe you guys would ask for proof, people don't listen to victims anymore" like???
@@antonydrossos5719Bullying maybe. But I don’t know if it’s virtue signaling.
What a nice time to be on RUclips. People quit either because they're exhausted or because they are being exposed as a massive fraud
having just come out of a rewatch of matpat's goodbye video this especially rings true to me rn
Either you die a hero, or live long enough to commission a 50K softcore fantasy animation.
@@AgsmaJustAgsmathank you for reminding us of the third option
@@AgsmaJustAgsmaNah man 💀
@@AgsmaJustAgsma lol
"Chat-GPT understands the legal system" - MamaMax
Now this seems like the type of guy to handle an investigation into a supposedly prolific child sex abuser in which he intends to assist and initiate a case against said abuser.
A certified bruh moment when a judge penalized a lawyer who used chatgpt to make a case brief...
And the cited cases for the trial weren't even real 😂
Pretty sure LegalEagle covered this, but ChatGPT isnt a good substitute for legal advice lol
I think there was actually a case where a lawyer had ChatGPT write something for him and it cited a case that didn't exist
@@maryaruthdunning Yeah, LegalEagle covered it a while ago. The lawyer "thought chatgpt was like a search engine". It gave him a number of US legal briefs (including the identification numbers) that were just made up. At that point, there's no issue, if he'd then researched them himself (like it was an actual search engine), but he didn't look them up himself. He was then confronted to provide the legal briefs to the court and wasn't able to find them. He then used chatgpt to create those briefs (which were entirely made up) and submitted them to the court.
This man certainly should be handling an investigation. He can even get those two lawyers that used Chat-GPT to assist. 3 of the greatest legal minds of our generation, what could possibly go wrong...
1:05:37 Holy shit, him pulling up a ChatGPT answer is comedic gold. The cherry on top of the shitpile. He honestly just entered his questioned, saw the answer and went; "Got him"
Actual rebranding to Mamamoron
i hate that he gained a following of SA survivors and took advantage of their trust to witch hunt innocent people in the cases he (horribly) covers.
Me being one of them. This has broken my heart. He wanted fame more than helping people. When he did his expose on defending himself. Is about when I started to see the cracks in his mentality.
@@gimpinainteasyI’m so sorry that you had to deal with that.
I hate that the only reason it was possible is people like Muta and Nexpo glazing him while not even watching the vids lol.
I totally forgot Nexpo was involved in helping Max gain a following! I wonder if he will speak on this or distance himself from Max... if not, it shows his true character.
His actions with his audience is giving me huge cult vibes with the way he takes vulnerable young people who suffered SA and weaponizes their trauma and emotions to do his bidding and to financially support him. Also him calling his audience his “children” in that larping batman voice was not only giga cringe but also creepy and throws up like 20 red flags.
Mamamax is the perfect textbook example of someone with main character syndrome and a saviour complex. So deluded in his own head of how much of a hero he is he inevitably imploded his own career.
I'm both of those u mentioned. I'm main character and the savior. Except it's really my life. 😂
I think the best way to describe how important this was to Max is to ask him the question "if this did indeed go to court and you had to testify on the witnesses behalf would you ask the judge if you could testify with a voice changer?"
'no? well then can i at least have a schizophrenic powerpoint presentation playing behind me?'
LMAO
“At least let me put up a board that says ‘disclaimer for legal reasons: everything I am about to say is a lie. Please take this as a work of fiction. Any names and incidences that align with actual people and events are coincidental. Enjoy’ but I want people to still know that when I’m not doing my edgy cringe voice, it’s fake and when I am doing the edgy cringe voice, it’s real, except when it’s not real which you’ll be able to tell because of the cringe theatrics which name actual criminals, so you’re going to have to ignore the disclaimer about names being fictional, except when it is fictional when it comes to the cringe theatrics because entertainment and such”
@@jasonvargas7564what a read, lmao
Woahh... is that seriously him repeatedly racking the slide on a handgun??? 1:14:09 I'd recognize the sound anywhere. It produces a VERY distinct sound... and I'm about 99% sure that's exactly what we're hearing in this video. I listened to it multiple times.
I was wondering what that noise was and what was making things worse was that no one was acknowledging it.
It might have been someone messing with their airsoft gun, I know Mutahar has airsoft rifles
I can’t stress how much those predator hunter channels harm investigations. Not only do they walk, but now they are way more cautious. They are basically a trial run for these guys.
Maybe the real issue is predator lawmakers making it so complicated
I disagree. Plus its great when they off themselves from shame.
There's a reason being a vigilante is illegal because when you don't know what the fuck you're doing it's all for naught.
on the other hand .. what investigations
@TravisJS399 you could quite literally offer screen recordings of a predator talking to a very convincing minor decoy, and it will be deemed "inadmissible" due to it merely being a third party from law.
Dude….that last discord clip is INSANE. I have literally rewatched that clip so many times and just the jaw dropping audio from max being a coward. “Why is it up to me?” DUDE YOU BROUGHT THIS CASE UP WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT
He was advocating for a big campaign with high profile RUclipsrs to join him too???? What is bro smoking
@@rnpee Yeah that's why he went to Charlie as well. Initially he probably wanted Charlie to run with this but became frustrated because Charlie couldn't devote the time to it due to his lack of response from covid. It's crazy how he put this off for three years then expected Charlie and Muta to be like, sure we'll take up the slack for the complete insanity you made of what could be a real case. Plus the expectations that this should go to RUclipsrs really compounds on Max's complete inability to take any of this seriously. The guy's Ego is through the roof.
It’s funny how Max sees himself as a cult destroyer when in the process he’s created a cult-like environment himself. He’s made these victims feel like he’s their saviour from their previous traumas, and uses them to make content. Then he tries to intensely recruit people for his cause. He’s using the exact “charismatic leader” tactics he claims to be against and has surrounded himself with vulnerable women that he now has power over because he quite literally won’t leave the case in the hands of the police
I mean he literally changed his RUclips name to GodCult once lol The guy is crazy
Surviving a cult and having severe trauma but the guy who’s trying to help you renamed his channel “godcult” and is recruiting people?!?!?
what "victims"? There are no victims, just crazy accusations and zero evidence. You insane?
Takes a cult leader to oust a cult leader i suppose.
I don't think you are understanding.. there are no victims here.. These people are all fake
Why tf did mamamax make his voice sound like that? He sounds like an edgelord trying to be all epic and serious, just to sound like he's swallowing the fucking mic. Can't even fathom how anyone could've gone through a whole video of that.
How people ever took this guy seriously while doing his silly voice is a real mystery to me.
From doing edgelord henti reviews to incel woe is me cringe videos to making silly videos about catching predtaors, this guy’s whole career on youtube is a joke
I found him by his Kanye Quest video, and I remember really liking that and subscribing. But after I saw him doing the creepyvoice over real issues and handling them like spooky campfire stories, I unsubbed. There's a time and place for sure. When it was just about video games, I thought it was kinda funny and a fitting voice for the type of content it was, since a creepy easter egg in an RPGmaker horror game is already not that scary, but I felt such genuine ick when I saw him try to cover real situations in the same way.
he pitch shifts his voice down, scoops EQ and adds reverb. bro just oozes cringe theater kid vibes
his fanbase is rabid and will witchunt anyone who criticizes him
I never heard of him before this video but the second mutahar pulled up his video with his voice changer I was like “is this a joke to this guy” and an hour later I can confidently say, yes. It is a joke to this guy.
I always found people who claim themselves as "PDFile hunters" and then have a patreon for UNCENSORED content of the case absolutely sketchy.
Ew, what.
Idk why I’m surprised someone would do this. But I am.
Other than predator poachers. Their work at least leads to arrests more often than not
@@porkyonfroy8338 charges almost never go through for any of these virtue signaling weirdos. Doing this for entertainment is literally always irresponsible
@@DaemonJerky totally agree. any decent human wouldn't even take this content to an online public space. this guy is clout chasing nothing more at this point and that voice changer approach to address a comment feed is just cringe, he needs to get help from mental health professionals.
The only people that i pay to see this kind of thing early is DAP (dads against predators), and they were even on VICE exposing the growing pedophilia problem. People can say its sketch but there's no alternative to really expose these monsters besides directly and with cameras, and not alone too. One of DAPs guys got shot, a veteran might i add, and this man nicknamed Boopac got murdered exposing one on his own. Its a problem that should become more relevant, but not in a 😾 vaneer that mamamax conjured-up. 'More of a 'DAP's gonna find you' kind of way
Ain’t no way he consulted ChatGPT for legal advice. This has to be the most elaborate joke, right? There’s no way he wants us take this seriously. Max has truly baffled me with that.
Apparently he's now going on about "the singularity" when it comes to AI?? I genuinely think he's having some kind of episode.
“AI is awful and will destroy humanity!!”
*consults ChatGPT about legal definitions*
If Max does sue Muta. I can only imagine Max walking into the courthouse with a laptop open and ChatGPT on the screen. “Your honor, meet my lawyer.”
"You can't tell your story anymore" AS A SA VICTIM THAT ACTUALLY PISSES ME OFF. Due to the fact that this is a serious claim and if you wanna seek justice YOU HAVE TO GET EVIDENCE.
That last clip really hit hard. Muta was trying to gain a better understanding to help the situation, but hearing Max’s responses is what did it for me. He’s practically instigating while allowing Spencer to go off on Muta, that’s no thing any friend would do. I’ve been a follower of Muta and Max for years, so seeing this video is heartbreaking. I can’t imagine what you’re experiencing muta, but I know you’re taking the right course of action in all this
Max the type of dude to display himself opening an audio file that contains the desperate cries of a child getting SAd and then insert a clip of himself acting all sad and disturbed, just to make sure you know he hates pdfiles .
What a bold stance man! Hating pdfiles takes a lot of guts.
Also the clip of him being sad is necessary since he is the type of homie of finding stuff like this funny.
he did something like that with an abimal abuse video, didnt he? inexplicitly put the audio clip of a puppy being abused and afterwards does his "... what sick human would do this." thing? i swear ive watched the video and got disturbed by the audio and it made me avoid any and all of his content
alright i found the video in question being puppystomp and im still baffled he included it in the first place. even with a small disclaimer, its still in horrendous taste to add that. i havent watched enough of his content (frankly because his editing leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the way hes handled these things) to know if he consistently adds clips of the other forms of abuse he covers but its sickening that he would even consider putting the videos and media he's crusading against into his own work and putting it out there for his thousands upon thousands of fans to see and hear
@@ashervilleI remember that video, it made me psychically sick.
I've watched enough of his video to know this is real
Max has finally admitted that he was too busy to investigate Spencer's allegations for three years because he was busy fictionalizing his other investigations. Spencer was present in the call when he admitted this, and she's not immediately offended?! It is probably the biggest insult one could give to a victim, yet she is going to continue supporting him and be used like a tear-jerking prop at the end of his "accountability" video. She seems to care only when it's convenient financially.
Max and Spencer have known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. I suspect she might not be a victim at all.
I can definitely understand being a victim and hanging onto the one person you feel like is the only one trying to “fight for you”. (If that’s the case I hope someone actually gives them the proper legal help and a voice and they realize how awful max is treating their case and them) not saying your wrong tho mama max is so fucking unpredictable at this point 💀
From what I understand, Spencer and Max have a relationship with years of history.
I'm unsure if it was romantic or platonic, or if she is even truly a victim or just playing it up for Max.
If her story is true, Max is the one trivialising it and making people question the story
@@hithisthers7214 The fact that you even entertain the idea that it might be true is baffling to me. Of course it's all bullshit, how naive are you?
@@ericbyo9472 We don't know the full story. There is still room for lots of assumptions and speculation.
It is a possibility that Spencer is a victim of assault and there are some elements of truth within the lies.
We just don't know.
Mamamax is obviously a liar and is full of shit, but Spencers involvement is still a blurry aspect.
'Grrr! My Name is MAX... I use a deep voice synth to make me sound SCAARY and Intimidating! Ggrrr deep bear voice!' LOL!
Used to be a really big fan of Max’s. I even supported his patreon at one point. The shift from game analysis/conspiracies to true crime to active cases being handled so incorrectly really distanced me but this most recent shift to “GODCULT” is the final straw it’s gotta be one of the most improperly handled investigations I’ve ever seen and it makes me feel physically ill. He’s not helping people at this point, he’s just doing damage to likely real cases. I’m so sick of crime being treated as clout and content.
Ngl I felt stupid after I saw what he’s doing with all the Patreon money now
This man has rebranded his channel 3 times?
And it's not even just about a midhandled investigation or a couple of hiccups but this whole shitshow has shown Max's true colours
The conspiracy stuff irked me way back then and made me unsubscribe back then so I'm just watching this unfold from the sidelines.
the change to GODCULT and what he did to charlie made me unsub
"ChatGPT understands the legal system" Is the funniest thing I've heard anyone say in a long time.
LegalEagle made a video on this ages ago. Actual lawyers have been disbarred for using ChatGPT, because ChatGPT will regularly just make up cases and cite them as sources in legal arguments. ChatGPT does not "understand the legal system." It doesn't "understand" anything. Half the time it's basically just procedurally generating actual gibberish.
Which is also funny considering Max had a whole bit about the dangers of AI contributing to exploitation. I mean, what do you expect from the guy who believes someone's MEMORY is enough to warrant as evidence?
Well, obviously Max operates on the principle of "rules for thee, not for me." In other words, his warnings about AI don't seem to apply when he's the one using it.
And just to reiterate in case anyone's wondering; ChatGPT *cannot provide* effective legal counseling. It has been caught literally just fabricating cases and precedents. AI "hallucinations" are a fascinating but alarming issue that is rarely spoken of, even though a lot of people are excitedly rushing to implement AI tools and solutions into all aspects of everyday life. As an educator myself, I genuinely worry that the views expressed by Max - that AI can and should be trusted even in cases where its use is of real consequence to real people - are gaining a lot of traction; particularly among the young crowd that he appeals to, who seem increasingly convinced that you barely need any education whatsoever when an app can generate solutions for you.@@rnpee
I tried using GPT to help remember the name of an obscure album (Jun Fukumachi - Starview) and at first it suggested real albums by similar artists, but it devolved into GPT suggesting albums that do not exist but really sound like they could exist, with album names that sound like the respective artist would come up with.
Yep. AI will do that and no one knows why. And that's why you still shouldn't use it as anything other than a glorified search engine, or at least verify what its saying. As an educator, I can comfortably say that we will know what you did if you start handing in papers full of random, made-up sources and citations. @@alexwhite3959
@@alexwhite3959I did this trying to get help remembering the title of a game (underworld capital incident) and it did the same thing lmfao
The fact Muta literally sounded like a disappointed friend and gave him so many benefits despite his lack of change shows how much of a good friend Muta was.
@robertmonroe9837wait, proof?
@robertmonroe9837well, guess that means nick is releasing the call. This is gonna be fun to watch go down
Just like in the Jirard situation and that too ended with legal threats
@@LedyE Camden Jirard 'The Completionist' Davis
Meanwhile this video makes Max sound like a complete and utter user. His _default tactic_ is to shame people just for asking questions, he name-drops RUclipsrs all the time and bitches when popular channels won't work with him, and he restructured his whole video JUST to be passive aggressive to critikal for the crime of not answering a DM fast enough. Psycho behaviour.
Max sounds like an actual cult leader. He has such a savior complex. And with how he talks, I wouldn't be surprised if HE was himself a predator.
How's going the war rn palestine?
Max is the type of guy to think he’s a vigilante and frame himself as a hero, when really he is nothing but a power hungry, virtu-signaling individual.
money.
it's about money.
@@lasskinn474isn't it always
@@rapu4 well not always there's tons of small 'activist' type of channels where the endgame isn't really money, rather it's raising awareness of some scam or scammer for moral reasons and/or because it's just an interesting subject and/or because(more rarely) the scam/scammer are just really, really really funny.
Spare me from influencers, RUclipsrs, streamers, online content creators with an overinflated sense of their own self-importance. LARPing maroons.
he tries soo hard to look cool with his "style" of editing and the cringe voice he's doin😂 even in his apology video where he is supposed to be real and honest, he still come across like a theater kid acting his sad puppy face. a performative narcissist
after the whole "pick a side" fiasco, that was what really made me take a step back and critically examine Max's content and realize how deeply fucked up it really was. christ.
I guess it is brave to try and gas light a bunch of influencers. Anyone doing the with me or against me dance has an ulterior motive.
How this guy managed to keep this reputation squeaky clean for so long is beyond me. I've always felt something off when I saw his videos pop on my recommended
Honestly I'm surprised he didn't get much backlash for that.
@@nojuanatall3281 Yes, it's giving "I'm one of the good adults that you can trust! Don't trust anybody else but me and my supporters!" which is very sus. Also, the fact he is now living with Spencer...
I feel I have heard this story before and it doesn't end well.
Mutah does a better job warning us about scammers, malware, and viruses then Max does catching predators
CORREECT
bro i made a video back in 2021 warning people about a scam. it has 17 views. ............ *I'VE* done a better job warning people about scammers than Max has catching predators lol. literally 17 - 0.
@@SpyroTheEternalNight'fake mr beast giveaway' text on a black screen video less than a minute long 😭 bruh what did you expect
@@marielcarey4288 where did i say i expected the video to get a lot of views?
well thats a given, considering mutahar knows what hes actually doing
I tried looking up anything about Spencer being missing in her area of Texas all that comes up is the poster and a bunch of reddit posts talking about not finding anything.
She was never abused. Her family loved her. She ran away to be with her boyfriend in a role playing group. She was only gone a couple of months. Max was paying her for a story. Gave her a place to live under making her money and making him money.
@@CrystalB-e6s any proof?
Hey Muta, I am the Hecc you see in his discord calls, used to be a mod for him. Would love to chitchat if you plan on following this. I was additionally directly involved in the imvu video as that's a program I've been familiar with for many many years, and was very disappointed in his "investigation". There's a lot of stuff that happened just on discord that is not covered. I've also met him personally, along with a few other youtubers. I think about these experiences often, even years later, but have never spoken up. Glad to see people catching on to his bs.
Considering Max's attempt to make a spectacle out of a grim topic, it's almost tragically poetic how invested I am in the spectacle of his fall from grace. I hope whatever you have to say comes out!
Hey man! Think it's cool that you're wanting to reach out to him. He's got an email on his page that you could contact if you haven't already :)
He said at some point during the video that dming him on Twitter is likely the best way to get in touch.
If Muta doesn’t respond, I think you posting a video would be incredibly helpful
I don’t have a twitter T.T I reached out on here and on his Facebook channel, I’ve also emailed another RUclipsr that has been following this story for a while too. I don’t really have the know-how to make my own video, but I have been considering it
That “I’m out” was heartbreaking, knowing how he lost someone he deemed a friend due to this whole situation, that sucks man, truly
Exactly that, admire his strength to put his principles before emotions.
It makes me visibly frown
@@joog79muta’s always been an example to follow when it comes to ethically navigating a youtube career, but man, it sucks that he has to lose people like this. the man works hard, pity to see him go through hardship for it.
@@vorbo01 God this is such a an insensitive way to respond to this comment. Having Internet friends isn't an issue as long as you're safe about it. Muta trusted Max to be a good person and Max betrayed that. It was NEVER mutas job (or anyone else's for that matter) to somehow predict Max's awful shitshow happening, stop with the victim blaming garbage please.
@@vorbo01 look man if your main argument for being against Internet friends is that it's "cringe" then I don't think we have anything to say to each other at this point just please try to consider Muta wasn't the only one negativily affected by this bs, that real people who have been preyed on by predators looked up to Max because of his nasty hero facad. Not everyone is as "enlightened" as you are. Have a nice life.
Max makes himself the hero of other people's stories, then lashes out with "why is this my job, why are you putting it all on me." you can see now more than ever that this career of "investigative journalism" was only ever him feeding his superiority complex by stalking and trolling shitty people online, and thinking that made him impervious to criticism.
His channel is now hidden when you search for it. You can still find it if you search for a specific video, but it looks like he's slipping away from view.
he’s deleting all these videos too 😭😭 check his channel they are already gone
Readily appears on Google though 😂
As soon as I found out a while back that Spencer is LIVING WITH MAX, the entire case lost credibility for me. I knew there had to be some kind of overtly personal reason he is going so hard and self-destructing for this weak-on-evidence case. There is something WAY off here.
Yeah that’s a major red flag.
A lot of things don’t add up about Spencer. My theory is that Cam is an ex of hers and she now wants to ruin his life out of pettiness with help from Max.
She's not taking this situation with the respect and seriousness it deserves, if not for her, for the other victims.
But if she was abducted by a cult leader once, she might again be victim of another narcissistic character creating another cult by promising "salvation" and "justice" and a "sense of belonging" to vulnerable people: Max.
@@consuelonunez792 dark. This is prime material for an exposè video that has schizophrenic occult horror edits narrated by a digitally pitched down voice. And a gif of a growling young black man with plastic fangs bought from Spirit Halloween.
@@consuelonunez792 More likely she was complicit and an active willing participant, so she's trying to paint him as some evil brainwashing cult leader to absolve herself of all guilt
what kills me is it is so easy to avoid ALL of this. it's so easy to put "this is a recreation" at the bottom of the screen. It's so easy to call a county police station and request documents, body cam, inquire about an arrest. he fails to do so every. single. time. Buy a law textbook, watch some true crime videos, consult lawyers (albeit that one is a little finance based.) he chooses every single time to be dishonest about shit that truly matters! as a survivor of S/A the more things like these are mishandled, the more it harms people like Spencer. There's clear manipulation coming from Max to Spencer. None of this is healthy nor helpful. Truly hope he seeks therapy bc while I don't think what he covers is necessarily wrong, he doesn't seem to take anything seriously while perpetuating harmful behavior.
yes, exactly. the reason why i liked max (as a survivor of these things as well) was because i truly believed he was doing a good thing. he is not the first pedo poacher on the site, and won't be the last. i even think that his weird cinematic shit is actually fire, and the rage he displays genuinely echos how i feel about the people who hurt kids. my issue is he's going about this the wrong way, and he's clearly declining, at least socially. i don't feel comfortable saying he's mentally ill or something, but he's not fit to do this. he has a history of compulsion and holding grudges, and he's not the most reliable narrator.
@@1800PAlN facts I definitely understand wanting to tell a story without going to police sometimes but he was just too into the views
I’ve said this many times before but this is coming from a man who admitted that he uses CHATGPT as a lawyer, including for the purpose of writing the nda he posted in fucking discord, and is using that to apparently start an international lawsuit to sue Muta. He lied about a girl getting SA’d and killed, doxxed Camdan’s family, admitted he lied about every case he’s every worked on, he admitted he’s never caught a single predator, he accused a fellow RUclipsr Magnetar of being a ped0 because he was dating a girl max really liked so he fabricated “evidence” and took the words as just that, he’s alleging that testimony is evidence and nothing further is needed even though 5 girls came out and said he’s abusive and he denies that, he also houses Spencer and she’s a close family friend (conflict of interest) and she’s the money manager of this Camdan operation, he also made an entire song detailing that he wants predators to give him head, and there’s just too much to list it’s really bad.
As someone who used to work with convicted sex offenders, i can definitively state that this kind of posing as a child honeypot thing can get someone arrested... IF LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES IT. If just any rando does this, it's most likely not gonna do shit
You were a criminal therapist?
There are a small handful of these channels that get a decent amount of convictions. Just repeating old talking points that are no longer true. The police have learned what they're doing and often arrest these predators.
not only will it not do anything, it has the potential to make it more difficult to prosecute that person in the future as they’ll already have a false report on their record
@@mashuxgrim66 sure, some of these channels are idiotic clout chasers. Some do good research, collection of evidence, and conduct themselves in a professional manner often leading to arrest. So long as people arent stupid it works out.
@@Bru21424 That's a job that does exist.... turns out providing therapy and psychiatric services reduces recitivism and reoffending quite a bit. But nobody wants a nuanced conversation about CSA so these facts often fly under the radar.
I hate to be That Person because it's so easy to say this after the fact but... I'm so glad everybody is on this guy's throat lmao. I watched one video of his years ago, and while I could appreciate someone covering the topic, the dramatics were too much for me. It's like he just loves hearing himself talk. Couldn't finish another one lol
He took and continues to take advantage of sexual abuse victims to line his pockets. As a r*pe victim myself, I feel incredibly betrayed and heartbroken. He ACTIVELY took money from REAL victims while parading around a hero complex that was undeserved. He revictimized thousands of people. He stole money from victims and made us feel used and vulnerable all over again. I genuinely have the same pit in my stomach that I feel when thinking about my r*pe. I feel used just like I did before. What he did is sickening.
I am so sorry this has affected you so deeply. As a former subscriber of Max, I am also horrified and feel betrayed and lied to. If he could do something like this, it makes me reconsider all of the allegations his ex's made about him
I really wish we could protect vulnerable people on YT from feeling like they can trust these self-made e-celebs over and over and getting disappointed and re-victimized all over again. it isn't people's fault but we can't keep acting surprised either..it's a problem. I hope you recover from the extra hurt he caused you
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@@peachy_lili Sad thing is, YT is an escape. Its all fantasy and quick dopamine to get away from what struggles we deal with. We come here expecting things to be surface value, with some intimate moments with watching something grow. Turns out, its all personas. It's hard for SA victims, because YT thrives off of the same thing r*pists do. Exploitation of your desperation to be away from whatever it was that was going on before you ran into them.
i’m so sorry. i am also a r*pe survivor and i think what he did is incredibly cruel, wrong and unfair. i felt betrayed and heartbroken over other survivors and victims as well.
Something that is standing out to me that no one seems to have dug any deeper on is when asked if he is going to 'bring him to court'; Max says that a lawyer advised them not to pursue a case because Camdan 'likely does not have substantial assets'. This sound as if, instead of pressing charges and accusing him of a crime, Max looked into suing him for money, which seems strange to do when you are so confident that he has committed a crime.
The alleged victim, not him. Civil and criminal court are different.
@highstrangeness1824 there are no victims
That's because, to people like Max, you are guilty until proven innocent. He hasn't once bothered to try to find evidence of a crime. Instead, he blindly believes the accusers and looks for something he can get Camden on.
Victims are usually able to sue those who have victimized them but not faced charges. If a civil court agrees that the victim deserves compensation the criminal has to pay the victims or their families. Unfortunately this is only able ti be used against those sho have money to compensate you
It's absolutely killing me how many people still don't get that there is no "cult" here. The entire thing is a fiction invented for his "films." The fact that he's never once provided a single bit of actionable evidence against ANY predators and has admitted that everything he's shown in his videos (the IMVU shit, the Discord server, etc) were all made up makes it super fucking obvious that Spencer, who remember is a LIFELONG FRIEND OF HIS, is just someone in on the act. That's it. There's no cult. No trafficking. No big ring. It's all bullshit for views.
Part of the issue is that these are serious topics that shouldn’t be held under a dramatic light, especially with a tone that’s taken seriously. He’s going on about allegations as if these have actually happened if they haven’t and these things are serious and do affect real people almost every day. Even assuming these didn’t happen he doesn’t say anything to suggest this is all fictitious, and his tone and accusations alone are very serious even in a fake manner. So cult or no cult, real or not, he either doesn’t have any real solid evidence to back up his claims, or he’s essentially making light of a serious thing that’s still going on and should actually be stopped.
I’ve said this many times before but this is coming from a man who admitted that he uses CHATGPT as a lawyer, including for the purpose of writing the nda he posted in fucking discord, and is using that to apparently start an international lawsuit to sue Muta. He lied about a girl getting SA’d and killed, doxxed Camdan’s family, admitted he lied about every case he’s every worked on, he admitted he’s never caught a single predator, he accused a fellow RUclipsr Magnetar of being a ped0 because he was dating a girl max really liked so he fabricated “evidence” and took the words as just that, he’s alleging that testimony is evidence and nothing further is needed even though 5 girls came out and said he’s abusive and he denies that, he also houses Spencer and she’s a close family friend (conflict of interest) and she’s the money manager of this Camdan operation, he also made an entire song detailing that he wants predators to give him head, and there’s just too much to list it’s really bad. I wouldn’t go as far as to say there’s no survivors of this alleged human being, but he’s ruined the whole case against Camdan if there was one to begin with, and he’s given Camdan and his family the ability to build a defamation case against him for what he’s done with doxxing/inciting harassment with no evidence.
Yeah, finding out that Spencer is a childhood friend of his completely invalidated everything she's said for me. If there are other victims unrelated to the two of them, then I'll change my mind based on what those victims say. The two of them are wildly untrustworthy.
Sadly this will only make it harder for actual victims since now people will assume it's just an another arg
@@GuyNamedSean It is claimed that there were several hundreds of minors targeted by Camdan, but you would think that at least ONE of them would've presented their testimony at some point, right? Spencer's testimony is the only thing that exists, and it's only because she's already an acquaintance of Max. If this is not an entirely fabricated story (I don't think Camdan is even a real person at all) I don't know what is.
1:05:14 The absolute disappointment in his voice when he saw ChatGPT had me hollering LMAO 😂
Lmao 😂
Mamamax’s weird apology video was the last straw. Calling everyone who was dunking on him a transphobe was laughable and idiotic. This guy lost the plot.
I'm sorry, what????
@@bennitori4yeah i have literally no idea what max is talking about, i dont think any of the victims are trans
Wait did he actually call everyone Dunking on him a transphobe
@@lechant7991That transpobe defensive strat only works on Twitter he should've known that 😂😂
The Woke like Max always go for the "you're all just transphobic bigots" card when justifying themselves. They use false non-existent identities to hide behind, to make themselves look like victims, because they don't think they need to change and thus they always blame society for their own issues.
I'm surprised yet relieved that he finally faces criticism for the way he edits and portrays serious videos. To me, it always felt like he wanted to make everything about him with the obnoxious, intrusive and legit non-contributing channel awesome skits he littered throughout videos about literal child victims or snuff videos. It's like he didn't even want to give the victims in question a voice, it appeared as if he merely used them to strengthen his stupid edgy persona. This guy has always rubbed me the wrong way, man. Glad that people are speaking up
I used to watch Mamamax prior to the stuff he does now, I liked his videos and still do. I like TCAP too, but what Max is doing now is purely sensationalist and it bothered me at the time that more people weren't sharing my opionion. It's so good seeing people finally poking holes in his bs.
i mean, you're always flirting with Jimmy's married (and much older) mom. you're not innocent here either, Carl.
@@SpyroTheEternalNight
chomos are bad, milf lovers are god's chosen people, how dare you conflate the two
Fr. The flashing lights and loud music in the video also could prevent people with epilepsy and sensory processing disorders from viewing it. I'm not saying EVERY video needs to accommodate for those problems, but if you want AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE to be able to view and learn about this case? It would be a smart move to try to make sure they could view it, too.
I "love" how he explained this bc it basically boils down to "yeah the details of these extremely serious allegations are too boring for me so I just made stuff up"
What sickens me is when people treat social media stars as heroes and get surprised and shocked to turn out when they're narcissists. NEVER worship a celebrities or e-celebrity. They're just humans.
Always remember that they're not your friends and you don't know them beyond what they want you to see.
I’ll admit like
I never looked deep into Max but idk just , ig it ultimately fell on copium but I just hoped there was someone out there doing something
I've never understood how deep people get into the parasitic creator/viewer relationship. I've never felt the need to identify myself with a creator.
Bad habits die hard
Yeah, I don't even worship Mutahar. his content is bearable at best
Max going on about how "Oh Charlie didn't respond so he must be an abuser. Cancel him now like he's a Netflix subscription" sounds exactly like a jealous partner going "Oh you didnt respond to my text within three minutes so youre cheating" its just so sad and desperate and speaks volumes about what he ever actually cared about
Man...as someone who genuinely enjoyed MamaMax videos I am beyond disappointed. He seriously paints it as if he's actually doing something about it and one could overlook the artsy aspect because of it but listening to him pratically admitting to making up cases and stagnating legit ones really just adds him into a new disgusting light. I am ashamed that I believed him. I don't usually delve into the discords or even social media that youtubers create so all this stuff happening in the background always comes as a surprise to me.
dude same.. i genuinely thought all of this was legit.
Same sadly, but tbh I felt something was off when Nick Crowley and Nexpo stopped associating with him, I liked all three creators but when two of them continued to do stuff together and the third one got left out I started feeling like something was up. I'm usually kinda proud of realizing creators kinda suck before it gets revealed just how much they actually suck (creepshow art and iilluminaughtii being the two main ones I stopped watching because of bad vibes before they were revealed to be toxic), so now I'm disappointed in both Max and mostly myself for not catching it sooner. I thought the shock factor was important in a way to get people to remember him and his content, to keep calling terrible people out. But over time I guess I did get kinda annoyed with his approach. Still not enough to no longer consider myself a fan though. Oh well, you live and you learn
Instead of creating some fantasy where he larps as an edgy pdo hunter, i just wish he went back to doing videos about creepy games. At least then, the dramatics would be warranted and not positively cringeworthy. What a waste.
NEVER fall for theatrics!!!
Ditto, I genuinely feel embarrassed to have been as invested in him as I was.
As someone who was targeted by a 'pedo hunting quad' on Discord I wish people would start taking it seriously, because it just makes me want to turn a blind eye to it all. I was harassed for two years by them in various ways, they kept 'dossiers' on me out of actual context, would ask servers to block me, and when I refused to infiltrate a 'pedo' ring (basically a bunch of people they just didnt like from what I could tell) they started calling me a 'pedo sympathiser' when I'd done literally nothing. I dont know how unique my situation is, but if more people do that then more will feel jaded and avoidant to the whole thing like I do, and that's the thing that worries me the most. Seeing Mutas hard lean into having proof is comforting.
Agreed. This seems to be a thing people make a fallacy of to either take out competitors in business or sports or politics and or as revenge from an angry ex or child, sad as that is. People do sick things at times.
I’m sorry to say that your situation isn’t unique.
Speaking as a guy who got called racist by Cancel Pigs on Twitter because I said that the Obi-Wan show was terrible and the story of Reva is just a rip-off of the Inferno Squad campaign from Battlefront 2.
While it’s not as extreme as your case, there are a bunch of cultists online that go after people purely because they don’t like them. And they do horrible things to people and then try and claim YOU are the one doing it. And people are taking things like this seriously because it’s becoming obvious that they are just lying hypocrites.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine because he was autistic and they found him annoying. Really disheartening.
This is unfortunately really common, SPECIALLY on discord
"Pedo hunters" unfortunately are usually a red flag. Way too many of them are either clout goblins or sadists who want the barest of moral justification for their actions.
Mamamax is when happens with someone takes their fantasies about being a creepypasta protagonist far too seriously. If these things truly happened to them, he has done them a serious injustice. Ffs.
I guarantee you Max has(or at some point HAD) a fucking Jeff the Killer OC 😭😭😭😭
1:07:40 Ah yes, the tried and true method of, "If I just get really fucking loud I'll win." Also can we just point out that Mutahar brought his fist down in that last Discord Call at the end? That is the scariest shit. Mutahar is a really goofy and really fun guy, so for him to be angry is so alien to me it's scary.
I don’t understand why these people feel that you, Muta, are obligated to speak to any victims or investigate any of this. You aren’t the cops. I don’t understand anything that happened in that two hour long call. If they have a case, they can go to the cops like any civilian. I genuinely am baffled
They won't dare to go to the cops because they fear more digging would uncover that this is all blown out of proportion or worse, fabricated. It's not like Sarah's case with onision. Even those chris hansen bungled her case, she still went to the police.
My speculation is they don’t want the problem solved. They want attention.
Why else would they call out/harass some of the biggest content creators on YT? They want clout and online sympathy.
I hate to say this but it's because they want attention and/or don't somehow understand the fact that you can't just trust a random persons word on the internet. It sucks if this is all real, but it is what it is. You need evidence because without it no1 can take you seriously.
Max wants attention AND money. his Patreon has over 10k supporters, the last time the number was able to be seen publicly. Lerix mentions this in his video on Max.
It’s straight up viral marketing
Listening to how upset and disappointed Muta sounds about how Max has royally screwed this case is genuinely heartbreaking to me
For me, it’s frustrating that it took this long. I was screaming it in the comments on max’s videos for a long time, warning people not to fall for this, that the edgy theatrics and disclaimer invalidate the “real” part, that his vigilante bit, promoting criminal behavior, is not something to cheer on, and that max is not a good person. Everyone kept calling me a hater and accused me of being pro PDF file. It was right there in plain sight all along. How did these people all fall for it for so long?
What's worse is if you saw the stream with Chud Logic, muta talks about how he never reciprocated the irl friend side of their relationship. Muta talks about how he found it weird that he would include Max in personal details about his life but max would never reciprocate, as friends do. It just shows max never saw muta as a friend, and as his actions have shown throughout this storyline, he wanted muta as a shield and access to his clout. And what's even sadder is it felt like muta still didn't even want to accept that. I'm only a few mins in so maybe it'll come up but I've been following this closely and that shit bummed me out.
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Do you have a link and timemark for this stream? I been watching a lot on this but this is new information.
I looked at the comments of mamamax’s “apology” and turns out one of his lawyers actually tried their best to make the apology simple but mamamax said “fuck it” and fucked up
I don’t believe there even is a case
it’s so infuriating finding out how he made predators on IMVU into a flashy horror movie and took away the credibility of the issue. i know someone who genuinely was groomed on IMVU, there is a legitimate issue there but max makes a mockery of it
IMVU was the last straw for me, throwing in a hotline Miami murder thriller edit into the middle of it as if saying he went and did justice himself, or got someone else to was just.... no....
Am i wrong in thinking that max was just upset with magnetar so as retaliation labelled magnetar as a pred and doxxed them?
That’s exactly what happened
I am fucking blown away that this dude had the gall to turn false rape accusations into a god damned ARG. i cant even imagine how twisted and disfigured your soul has to be to even come up with such a heinous act. Its flat out evil. This story is nothing short of torture to bear witness to
Edit: the cult guy is not the only person being accused by max
Were they false or just unverified? Im not 100% caught up yet
We don’t actually know if it’s a false accusation or not but I’d say it’s way worse if it is real, turning a victims story into an ARG is like the worst possible thing you could do about that kind of situation
He definitely gets off to that sht. Doesn't help that he calls his audience "children"
Souls arent real.
Here's what I think: I think Max literally has little to no evidence and the reason why he wanted the big RUclipsrs to cover Spencer's story was so he could use their influence and reputation to give her story credibility without having to be verified. He basically wanted to use those RUclipsrs influence and credibility to hide his lack of evidence and hoped people would take it as fact without checking.
Ofcourse there's also the fact he wanted those RUclipsrs to also drive traffic to his and subsequently Spencer's channels and boosting their clout, which is equally scummy
hearing his real voice and knowing that he calls his videos “films” is pretty telling on how he operates
nexpo is truly the only dramatic artsy “dark internet” creator we have left : (
@@mannishonestly I'd rather watch true crime and real life mystery RUclipsrs like Nick Crowley, blameitonjorge and Dave's Lemonade nowadays. I've grown out of ARG and obviously fake creepy youtube channel youtubers.
@@dtxspeaks268i’m not a huge fan of it either nowadays, but my favorite videos from nexpo and creators like him are ones on real events documented on the internet
@@mannis yeah, i used to like night mind's coverage of ARGs until he went off saying anyone who plays hogwarts legacy is a blah blah blah whatever
@@dtxspeaks268 Yeah, the only Nexpo videos I watch are the ones with true crime and real life mysteries like you said.
This dude is talking through a voice changer while judging all the people who are questioning him this feels like a parody.
absolutely cannot stand when people do that. He makes himself sound like a 40 year old man who is 8' tall and has smoked since they were 4 years old. I do not understand the need for it.
I don't understand how any YTuber could've taken him seriously before! It's like if YTubers started to take Corpse's creepypasta stories seriously, it's so absurd and stupid...
cult leader vibes
@@BType13X2 Is the voice changer fad actually becoming a thing? Barely Sociable does it, Nexpo does it, Corpse Husband does it, and this dude Mamamax does it. Just WHY?
Yeah that voiceover was incredibly unserious
It's extremely heartening to see the Internet demand proper scrutiny instead of grabbing pitchforks and hopping on a bandwagon. It's one thing to listen to victims, it's another to ignore the burden of proof and treat accusations as convictions. I understand the visceral hatred and fear people have of predators. I don't want children to be victimized, but I also don't want self-appointed internet sleuths leading amateur witch hunts that lead to more situations like the death of Sunil Tripathi. Mob mentality literally kills people, and the presumption of innocence is the backbone of a just and functioning society. We can't afford to forget that.
I subscribed to him back in middle school for his Life Sucks series and anime reviews, so once he did his predator series, I was still a teenager. I'm also a CSA survivor, so you can guess how this might have made me vulnerable to MamaMax's content.
It only took until I've became a full-fledged adult to realize just how pathetic this man is. He's a man with a hero complex that completely misunderstood the themes of Hotline Miami, used that as his theme for all of his over-edited videos, and made a mockery of the subject in order to come off cool and edgy. He's only done worse for victims, and I'm sad that many survivors are still stuck in this guy's (honest-to-god) cult. He thinks that the cult is a work of fiction, but I think differently.
I absolutely see where you are coming from. As a child in my preteens, seeing his content on roly-poly and Sad Satan was captivating, but as he pushed into the predator hunting scene I felt a strong trust in him as a CSA survivor myself. I wan one of those fans that defended him to the ends of the earth, no matter how cringe people thought he was.
As an adult, and now that all of this is coming out, I honestly feel gutted. He felt like the only person who listened to our stories at the time, and I was so isolated from other people who actually helped victims (partially by his design, I believe), that I almost felt as though he was a protector of me and my story as well, despite him never talking about it or even knowing it.
I feel whatever he has going on, having his fans call him "MAMA max" or even just "mama" is telling of the cult-like fan base hes garnered.
Sorry but whats csa?
@@voodoo2006 Child Sexual Assault
@@voodoo2006 Valid question!! Not a lot of people really care to know that stuff, so I'd understand why you wouldn't ve informed. It mean child sexual assault, and is used in an acronym because people can find it emtionally difficult to say or talk about the whole phrase.
Using acronym CSA is as much of a "damper" as saying "The N word" instead of a real word. People use these things as acronyms because when you talk/type about it a lot humans want to shorten the load, similarly how language always evolves to have most used words be the shortest. It has nothing to do with emotional difficulty, because it's not idiom like saying "passed away" instead of "died". Saying CSA and Child S*xual Assault evokes the same imagery, people are shortening it because it's easier. We do these things with non emotionally charged things too, slangs are best examples, such as yolo, lmao, lol, cba, idc, etc. Only other reason people may use acronyms or make synonyms is due to ARTIFICIAL censorship, a.k.a. state or corpos having "no no words" on their site. And this is why TikTok kids unironically say "unaliving" instead of you know what (I can't even say that word on YT without being shadow banned), and not a single time in existence of rules has ever a state or corporation made such lists of no no words in effort to keep people safe or anything similar, but only to virtue signal or to make their brand more advertiser friendly.
It honestly sounds like you're either disinformed and don't know how language works but regurgitate what someone else said, or you're projecting because you might find it emotionally difficult.
On that note, serious question, do you actually find it easier to say CSA instead of the whole phrase if you were to discuss the subject? I've met 2 CSA survivors in my life, and some others who'd use other acronyms, and they wouldn't say a simply acronym suddenly makes it easier to talk about. That being said, I genuinely mean "talk about", not simply say "I'm XXX survivor" and leave it at that. I'm open to changing my mind, but I highly doubt it makes it any easier, and is more of a thing because of other 2 points I've already pointed out above.
P.S. There's also a thing for acronyms in English which other cultures do not have. Many Americans and Englishmen unironically use acronyms in day to day communication, which makes it even easier to produce more of them. You'd find other languages having far more "resistance" to casual acronym usage. The very occurrence where an US citizen has a name like Charles Junior but unironically goes his whole life calling himself CJ is almost unheard of anywhere but native English speaking countries. @@MainlyCyanide
I felt that, "I'm out." from Muta. You can tell he felt hurt and betrayed by all of this. A long time ago, I used to like MamaMax. But as time went on had the same questions if this was some sort of avant garde videos on serious topics or some sort of wild obfuscation of real stories. I am beyond annoyed at how he will keep passing the buck and not take responsibility for his fuck up of the facts and delivery as to no mess up investigation integrity. I watched his apology and was mouth agape with how delusional he is. Good vid Muta.
"Chat GPT understands the legal system" no... no it fucking does not... good god that's an absolutely awful and dangerous take.
There's a news story out there about how a lawyer got in serious trouble after letting Chat GPT write up a legal brief for him. He never checked the cited court cases, and it turns out not a one of them existed. It could be pulling legal advisement from other countries. It puts together words based on prompts. It can be and likely is entirely wrong about very important aspects of what he's claiming.
@@prissverso406Even LegalEagle did a video on it
@@prissverso406That was hilarious lol, totally the lawyer's fault. I don't think Bing AI/Copilot was available then. But at least that model will pull results straight from the internet and give you sources. Good luck figuring out how ChatGPT came up with the answers it did, that thing is not a Google replacement 💀💀
Wait until in 10 years people unwillingly starting to use Chat GPT for legal advice 😂😂
Oh, no, they're already doing it! 😂
@@prissverso406 This is why ppl hate/mock AI. So many of these idiots think they can use it to do work for them rather than use it as a tool.