GeorgeNotFound and Wilbur Soot Just Hit Rock Bottom...
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- Опубликовано: 18 мар 2024
- DreamSMP-affiliated creator Wilbur Soot recently faced accusations of misconduct from an ex-partner. And while that was quickly resolved, it inspired claims against GeorgeNotFound. And given the many layers to these claims, GeorgeNotFound sparked a fierce debate online.
This is a commentary on the recent Dream-SMP drama, namely from the allegations against Wilbur Soot and later GeorgeNotFound.
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Hey all, wanted to quickly clear a couple of misunderstandings that I'm noticing in the comments, mostly about George.
1. I do not think his actions are remotely comparable to Wilbur's. I thought I made that pretty clear, but was seeing some comments suggest otherwise. They are both covered here because of their association with each other, and because Wilbur's accusations directly inspired George's.
2. I am not saying that I think George's behavior was or wasn't an "assault". The only times I use that word, I am quoting Caiti. Honestly, I didn't see how it was going to be productive or helpful for me to try to attach definitive labels, especially given how murky the details have still been.
Thank you for how much detail and proof you put in these videos
I honestly think that Caiti was assaulted in the way that spitting on someone or spraying them with water in public and such can be seen as assault. Or maybe harassment.
I respect this ✌️❤️🇨🇦
@@OopsieImSorryI think it's a bit different I think being touched while cuddling for an hour is different to being spat on
Your title does suggest that they are on the same level with the way its worded, like I get you want the click bate stuff but you gotta see how that can be missleading
Wilbur hit rock bottom
While Goarge has a bunch of poorly backed up accusations with people on his side
As a woman, I really dislike seeing people put Wilbur and George on the same level. The former deliberately inflicted violence on a woman over and over and over again. In the latter case, BOTH were drunk, it was one instance, and no one had wounds. People think it’s funny because “dreamsmp sucks hahahaha” but like, let’s not lose the plot here.
I know right as someone who was born a woman and has been molested. I really don’t think a hand up the shirt touching general skin when you’re both heavily intoxicated is as bad as repeated physical abuse.
I could be wrong but maybe they were both drunk, but what if he was only “buzzed” and she was blacking out. In that case, yes they are both drunk but one is completely out of it.
But I’m a bit misinformed I’m just saying that this could be true
@@acanadian80there's nothing about this, as far as I'm aware.
She's accusing him of SA because he touched her under the shirt on her stomach/waist without verbally asking for consent while they were cuddling. They were both drinking, she was almost 19 and he was 26. She showed messanges with her friend where she was "i was chilling at the time but looking back it's kind of weird??". Now she's crying and writing poems about the situation.
Like I'm sorry but comparing that situation to Wilbur is insane to me. It's also crazy to me to call him a predator over it but okay. It just seems like an uncomfortable social situation being blown out of proportion for the internet cloud.
Can u read? "inflicted violence" is something shelby stated while wilbur stated the opposite for you to believe one over the other is being stupid and biased
@@Nahidwin1-ye8yl its more of the fact that Wilbur's friends believe Shelby, and I'd argue they know him better than we do. Unless Wilbur releases the "proof" he claims to have, I don't think he's in a good position here
Edit: also he did agree with Shelby to some extent, saying that he did do some awful things and wasn't a good person, it's not much of a stretch to think that she may be fully truthful.
The situation with George should not be public, at least not yet. it really seems like it should be private.
Agreed
not really your call to make
@@Eclaire1000It sets a horrible precedent. I really don’t understand how at this point, Caiti still has people defending her when the intent behind her original claims, and follow-up have been completely malicious. Have you gone and rewatched it? She frames George as a predator the entire time: she was, “freshly 18”, he’s the, “old guy”, he, “pressured” her to drink/play drinking games, she was, “frozen” in fear, etc…these and more are all adjectives intentionally used to paint a picture where she is the victim and he’s a predator when that isn’t even remotely the case. If how she feels about everything is actually real, and not a move to cause damage, then therapy should’ve been the answer, not RUclips and Twitter.
Agreed if she felt uncomfortable, she could have told him personally. That's not something to share with the whole internet for victim points. This sounds more like an awkward situation than assault, so why try to make him sound like a predator?
It should’ve! But it’s public and Cati is facing consequences for lying.
I think, in conclusion, George and Caiti were both drunk and both had a failure in communication. I don't think George is a creep or a predator, hopefully they both move on and learn from this situation
youtube has a better take than twitter, those people are actually unhinged
Felt the same until recently when Caiti decided to change her story yet again to paint George in a worse light when she didn't get the reaction she wanted. Came across as malicious and soured any good will I had for her, which admittedly wasn't much to begin with.
@@deft0nesgrl_ fr
@@deft0nesgrl_ Twitter was involved what was expected? a civil result? yeah right.
Caiti is more in the wrong to me a bit, seeing how she changed her story.. So..
i understand speaking out about being uncomfortable to an extent BUT, using SA terms to describe unwanted tickling feels massively overblown and makes it hard to 1000% stand by her claims
As an SA survivor, I disagree. Tickling isn’t a form of SA, but unwanted tickling is still a violation of someone’s personal boundaries regarding their own body. I agree that using terms specific to SA can lead to trouble, but I don’t think it immediately discredits what she’s saying. That type of mindset is so dangerous in situations like these.
she turns herself into a victim with all the words she uses
which makes it hard to believe or be on her side
@@kyleinthejar6829 i totally agree, i have not discredited her at all, and no one speaks perfectly all the time. it’s just without the lens of “maybe it just poorly phrased” it can seem like she’s painting herself as an SA survivor when that is not what she is.
100% agree.
@@kyleinthejar6829 As a victim of SA and a "tickling" incident, this is kinda silly. Sexual Assault an act which can ruin people's lives if they commit it. Caiti's overblowing of this incident is kinda making George a victim of mislabeling, with thousands of people now labeling him under a title which he didn't earn.
George apologising for being at the party and existing at this point💀
No fr- it must be rough being famous in the 2020s. You have to be a flawless role model in front of millions of eyes
Also considering the fact that the problem itself came from people who weren't even invited to the party
@@ignorant1126 You only have to be a flawless role model if you elect to do a kid friendly kind of persona and also elect to try to speak up on issues. You can still get away with being a big ol famous shithead, you've just gotta make it clear to the audience that that's what you're about. At the end of the day it all comes down to being honest and authentic.
Nah bro they hit bedrock bottom ☠☠☠
they broke the bedrock
@@SleepySkyza ok
Nah they hit the void
Nah they hit the void
NICE
One important thing i think you missed is the 21+ bracelet the friend group came wearing to dreams hotel room, it gives a better understanding of the reason of the misunderstanding
How did they get them? Why didn't he do his own check? With all the allegations in their group wouldn't you be super careful...
@@Friendly_Newbbecause it happen a year ago, allegations hadn’t started coming out yet
@@Friendly_Newbif you see someone with a 21+ bracelet your going to assume they are 21+. she is old enough to know if she wore that then people would perceive her as 21+, a 10 year old can figure that out. Being 18 is a full grown adult and should know lying about her age is wrong and in any other country this wouldn't even be a problem because most drinking ages are 18. (Her actual age)
People saying hes a creep for talking to a 18 y/o is stupid. Theres a difference between actively looking for a 18 y/o to date and being told after it already happened that shes 18 and not the age she claimed. Plus 18 is a legal adult so its not illegal.
@@Nott_Mikayeah I don’t understand the debate of she was 18, and ? Like she was an adult, he was an adult and the age gap is not that big
@@uttsu1537its not a matter of age gap, it a matter of experience, most 18 year olds are just finishing high school and still living with their parents (not saying this was her case), 26 year olds have more life experience, especially considering the brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s. Personally I'm uncomfortable with that experience gap, though I recognize it's not illegal.
Wilbur assaulted someone and George’s name is literally being lied on. She literally doctored the evidence claiming his friend said that he was being touchy. He literally has a call with said friend telling him he literally did not send that message. The worst thing he did was tickle her?? He absolutely does not deserve any of the shit he is getting. They are not the fucking same.
You can only use the word "literally" twice per post. It's the law.
Exactly, idgaf about George but he's being lied on and everyone just believes it because "oh she's the victim" but she just whipped up a claim to ruin his career
Again you seem to beliveve wilbur is the abuser when its matter is not even over yet.
Wilbur hasent accepted to the claims and knowing how terrible shubble and her fanbase and the accusations released by shubbles cousin about shubble shouting and harming wilbur,shubble can herself be the abuser.
Stop hearing things on the internet and basing your opinions on those
@@Nahidwin1-ye8yl Girly used the safe word and he kept going. Sounds like assault to me dude. Also sure, they can both be the abuser. Two wrongs don’t make a right though. He still assaulted her.
We don't know if Will did what she claims. Will still needs to respond. He is stupid, but not a proven abuser, yet.
One is real assault and abuse, and one is not. Both girls need therapy for different reasons, and one of the guys needs to be charged with an actual crime.
EXACTLY! One of them ,and I think we agree on who really probably did this out of some reason not know yet and not on how she actually felt at the time. Not trying to be rude in this statement but I think she definitely just wanted to ride the attention train while it was going. Hate to say it but it really takes away from the attention of real abuse cases. Don’t mean any malice in this statement but I don’t see that as any form of abuse at least if George’s statement is true and even if her statement is true that’s something you talk to him about why bring it to the public if it hurt you that bad in this situation.
wilbur may be an abuser but there is only shelby's testimony, we need more evidence to convict wilbur. i'm not saying he is innocent but theres a chance he is
@@Swerv0. wilbur may or may not be an abuser, we need more evidence
@@user-hi6pc5jj5ybut he admitted to it in his apology. And then every one of his friends dunked on him, like EVERYBODY. Most times, if the person is innocent, atleast they FRIENDS back them up. 😭
What’s crazy is that had she made a statement about how regretting an interaction with someone you deeply admire is okay there would have been no problem. But no she had to take it too far. I think the most telling piece of evidence is how aggressive she has been and how subdued George is.
I feel bad for shubble she didn’t deserve to be abused. And while I sympathize with Caitie what she did was wrong. It’s okay to regret an interaction with someone you admire and it would have been okay to share that it is okay to regret that. But for some ungodly reason she decided to try and burn everything down. I also feel bad for George because you can see how it is just eating him up and he doesn’t want to hurt Caitie again to the point that he is taking her attacks and apologizing. I think that’s the big thing I noticed is how aggressive Caitie is and how subdued George is.
Caiti's one feels too planned.
-She deliberately set up the stream and told the events the same way Shubble did. She kept the guys name hidden but was then liking tweets that were sending death threats to Dream and George. She wanted it to be found out who it was.
-She first told the story that Dream was luring people to his hotel room and that she was so shy and nervous and silent but then it was revealed it was her friends pestering Dream to come out with them and eventually they invited themselves to his room. Then she admits she was responsive and laughing and smiling at the attention she was getting from George. She was getting up and down multiple times and going back to sit with him. She was not trapped. This was also the SECOND night where the events took place. She very deliberately left out the fact that they'd been up drinking in the hotel room for two nights.
-When George addressed everything and showed proof on his version of events she comes out with "I know I don't need to show proof but I'm going to" which is just not how it works. The reason why there is the saying "Support all victims" is because in most cases like these it is hard to get proof that it happened so it's to give a benefit of the doubt to the victims. But if she had proof and doesn't show it that's just taking advantage of that good nature of support.
-She was pushing heavy blame onto Dream and George for them drinking when she deliberately left out the fact she'd been at a party before that with her friends and they were already drinking when she shouldn't have been. She was 18 and being dragged to parties by her older friends who then just left her alone. I don't get why George is getting hate when a lot of criticism should go to her shit friends who just left a drunk 18 year old alone. Even Caiti proves this point with how shit her friends are, showing they only texted her AFTER the night to see if she was okay.
-The way she told events in the first stream make it seem like George was touching her inappropriately and that she and her friend were the only ones in the room with Dream and George. Then she admits that he only had a hand on her waist and that there was 8 (i think) people in the room who all didn't see anything wrong at the time.
-She first said that George tried to message her after that but left out the fact they'd actually been messaging each other for months playfully after that night and George was the one to stop talking to her when he found out her age.
-The story she told was about her experience with George. Many of her friends, who have been very vocal about their Dream hate, used it to just send abuse to Dream and so much of the hate was focused on Dream, which is really weird. Like imagine if Shubble came out with her story about Wil and then everyone started to send abuse to Philza. There would be a lot of "wtf" but because it's Dream no-one gives a shit or looks into it.
She's changed her story so many times and was caught out in lies and fabricating evidence to try and paint George as this monster, when it was nothing at all like that. This could have been handled privately and she could have gotten closure and George could learn from his mistakes but instead she wanted this huge public sceptical that's just shown she's lied to make herself seem like a victim of an assault that never happened. She had a drunk night at a party and regretted being flirty/affectionate with someone. That happens all the time and as someone who's also done that it sucks, but that doesn't make the other person an abuser.
Bro not to mention she DOCTORED HER EVIDENCE as well. And then George goes out and straight up proved some of her evidence wasn’t even true. That shit was fucking wild as hell!
Bro thank you! this is the best thing I've seen!
I am looking at the replies so thank you ps(I am not reading that)
People needs to see that’s more but their to brain rot 😞
Very well said.
I strongly believe George did not have any malicious intent.
seriously bruh. All he did was put his hand on someone's stomach and did nothing else
@@jasonoy3142 Under her clothes, while she was very drunk, knowing she was a lot younger and admired him.
@@primordial___he didn't know her age nor that she was a fan. I think it's pretty bad he got her and her friends drunk though.
Edit: It's pretty bad he didn't age check any of them before giving them alcohol, even if they showed up drunk, you should still be responsible.
@primordial___ He did not know she was alot younger. They were in a 21+ area
@@primordial___ stop lying
I disagree that "just asking someones age" is an oversight or enough to know someones age, people lie, people in their teens lie. You are underestimating teens there. People make fake IDs, say lies like its normal, etc.
Do you think that means any impromptu hookup can't be fully ethical....? Or do you think there's a reliable way to verify someone's age on the fly?
(This isn't me disagreeing at all. In fact I agree and I'm now asking myself if sudden hookups around that age {where it's even remotely possible that someone could be under 18} can ever be fully ethical)
@@KicesiesVlog Impromptu hookups can be ethical in my opinion if they are both adults (18 for me is an adult but not at the same time, its like a gray area). The reason why I said ethical is if they are both truthful (which I doubt, but it isnt 0%) about their age then they can hookup if that is their choice (No drugging, intimidating, etc. It needs both parties consent and they made that decision with their own free will).
There really is no reliable way to know what age they are, unless people build a gadget that scans a person and their basic info pops up. However, that is a breach of privacy.
Cover your ass by asking. Especially in a room full of witnesses. The negligence is so blatant it almost seems intentional
@@Ele_Underscorethey were at a party where you needed to be 21. "It's almost blatant" is such a stupid claim. Not only did she lie to be in a place like that, but people who looked into her saw she was 18 for 6 to 8 months at the time of the party. So she wasn't "freshly" 18 either.
She's not even underage, which would have made this a dangerously more gray discussion. She was fully legal and has proven to lie at this point. Is it all lies? Probably not, but we need proof before we should accept anything else from her.
@@Ele_Underscore Let me ask you, do you go to a party and go, "hey whats your age" or "can i see your ID"? (If yes and you werent treated as a suspicious person then your lucky, you just cant win. If you're asking someone for their age then they'll think why is this person asking? Also, as I said they can lie, what are you going to do, confirm their identity by trying to get their personal info?) ... In a party do you go to each guests and confirm their identity? This is a party where alcohol is involved and most likely friends of friends are invited, even if its small. You would most likely trust your friends that their friends wont bring anyone who cant legally drink alcohol (anyone 21 and below, in the U.S).
No way Wilbur and George can't be on the same level. One *assaulted* someone, and the other is being lied on. They can't be put on the same level, I genuinely mean it.
Caiti lying again:
1. Apparently she states that George touched her t*ts. Now don't tell me this isn't bullshit, this is a big "detail" that she should've said the first time she spoke about it. Wow, what a twist! Surely not covering her a$$ with more lies!
2. She said she meant to say "Freshly out of high school" and not "Freshly 18" (she was 18 years old and five months)
3. Her words in short: "I wouldn't have been taken seriously if I haven't cried. I would've been called a liar and no one would've believed me if I didn't cry."
4. Yapping about the fact that "She doesn't want people subscribing and following her just because she's a victim, I still appreciate that, but..." Blah blah blah more bs
Note from me: who speaks about a "SA" (it is not) experience in a good mood? I mean, I've never seen someone telling such a story with joy, a sub/follower goal/count and pride in their eyes? I have my doubts.
At this point hers is just a goofy ass poorly-made Wattpad fanfiction
they both assaulted someone. that doesn’t mean repeated abuse is on the same level as a single event imo, but touching someone without their consent is, by law, assault.
@@wolfiiutouching someone without their consent being assault is not the universal law, there are degrees to it. This circumstance constitutes a labelling of 'inappropriate touching' not physical assault. Assault involves injury or harm. Tickling or touching is not harm. Of course, this does not take away from the inappropriate nature of the act and the horrendous effect this can have on the innocent subject of it.
@@assas1nscreed “assault is the illegal act of causing physical harm *or unwanted physical contact* to another person”. touching her beneath her clothes without her consent is assault.
@@wolfiiu Damn you even spread this message in this comment section when the other guy (from the other comment section) clearly proved you wrong otherwise
Here's what he said, also here is the other persons name "kopicat2429"
From Department of Justice on Assault:
Absent a statutory definition of assault, the courts have looked to the common law and have concluded that an "assault" is:
An attempt with force or violence to do a corporal injury to another; may consist of any act tending to such corporal injury, accompanied with such circumstances as denotes at the time an intention, coupled with present ability, of using actual violence against the person.
But, of course, an assault can also be committed "merely by putting another in apprehension of harm whether or not the actor actually intends to inflict, or is capable of inflicting that harm." Ladner v. United States, 358 U.S. 169, 177 (1958). Proof of this form of assault requires establishment of a reasonable apprehension of the immediate application of force to the victim. Note also that a condition in an offer of violence may negate the element of apprehension. For an excellent discussion of this concept, see Watts v. United States, 402 F.2d 676 (D.C. Cir. 1968), rev'd on other grounds, 394 U.S. 705 (1969). While the conviction of assaulting a Congressman requires proof that the defendant willfully caused an offensive touching, it is not necessary to prove a more severe injury.
www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1610-assault-18-usc-351e
Another from www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/violent-crimes/assault-battery/
Assault is typically defined as an intentional act that puts another individual in apprehension of immediate harm. Assault thus criminalizes the threat of harm itself, rather than requiring that actual harm has occurred. For this reason, it is sometimes also known as “attempted battery.” Since assault is an intentional act, it cannot be committed by accident. This means that a perpetrator must have intended to cause fear in another person, or that he or she acted in a way that was knowingly dangerous, even if a specific individual was not targeted. Assault does not require that the victim fear being subjected to severe bodily harm or death. Any reasonable fear is sufficient.
For George's tickling to constitute assault, she has to have reasonably feared harm. For that to happen, we'd need context. I don't know if she did or didn't. I wasn't there.
But just touching someone is. not. assault.
I had a bf who would bite me and pinch me and hit me "as a form of affection". Even when I said I didn't like it, he would do it bc it made him laugh whenever I got scared. One time I remember he bit the bridge of my nose as hard as he could. I hope the victims are okay and feel safer now that people are on their side
omg. 😳 my heart aches for Past You...! I hope you've found healing and support in whatever form works best for you. 🧡
Will still needs to respond, George doesn't seem at fault currently at all.
Not defending anyone looking objectively.
If he hit your nose as hard as he could be would have hit your nose off
@@kamo8073they said bite you restarted boy
Wilbur: Literally confesses and has several people he's known for a while who witnessed it, say that he did that
Everyone else: "She's lying"
Wilbur stans do be huffing that copium by the TONS
It's all lies until they say something about george dream or sapnap. Like bfr
What does that got to do with George,Wilbur yes,he was the abuse to the point he admited it.But not George Catie's NPC Script was hilerious.
@@RulerCALAMITY I was only talking about Wilbur
This is what I don't get tho. Even if Shelby lied, she wouldn't gain anything from it. She has been on the platform for possibly longer than Wilbur, and and left his name anonymous, and only shared the story so others could be helped. Literally had nothing to gain from it. Clout? She has her dedicated audience. Defamation? Clearly her video didn't have that intent.
Wilbur is clearly a case of "yeah those songs make so much sense now". But George? Should've talked out privacely.
My bf loves Biting me and I love it too. I love the bruises but there lowkey hickys AND he's terrified of causing me harm. Absolutely terrified and he hates when they do leave bruises because he doesn't want to be an abuser like ppl in his life Werth him
Like u can have a healthy more bdsm relationship but u need CLEAR boundaries and must NOT cross them. Otherwise yeah the person is an abuser and asshole.
That poor women
Exactly!! (lifelong kinkster here)
And it's not just about setting up safewords and such. Of course those things matter. But I think you touch on something else,... there is totally different energy to it.
If I tried to simplify it, I'd say that there are Sadists like myself (and it sounds like your partner) who enjoy causing pain but only if the other person is enjoying it and we're in enough control to avoid doing more damage than we wish to...
And then there are the sadists of the world who NEED to hurt people who do NOT want it... and who enjoy "losing control"... and THOSE folks are the most frightening of abusers...!
ayo
🤨🧐
i see 😼
Same here, and I totally agree. When she said she was SA’d by another boyfriend of hers and the current bf knew that, my heart broke for her.
Caiti is lying. And the shit pisses me off as someone who has dealt with actual sexual abuse. What's ironic is she thanks Shelby at the start of her video, yet she took the spotlight off Shelby's story with her fake ass allegations. Great job, Caiti! 👏👏👏
george literally acknowledged that it happened 😭
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youll never know if someone is lying or not lmao you cant just straight up say that
@@eren-_ there's so much proof that she is. She's lird in the passed about alot of shit too, though gnf on the other hand is more honest with alot of things and even is uncomfortable with most thing like that.
@@LuciReyhuff literally everyone involved said it happened
i never got into the smp, by the time i knew what it was it was too late to even try. hearing about everything after the fact makes me glad i never got invested into this to watch it crumble so horribly after
Same here. I've always followed older creators for some reason. So I almost decided to follow up on DSMP since They're 20-30 yrs old. I knew enough to know who was who somewhat, but nowhere near ad much as a fan of them. They are super popular
I only watched Tommy, Schlatt and Technoblade(Rest in peace), all 3 of them were so done with the smp people and I hated the others too. Now I am so happy all of these are happening.
I only watch/ed Quackity and technoblade because they seemed like the least problematic and really funny, the rest I’m glad I skipped on because it definitely saved me a lot of trouble
I barely know the gist of it thanks to MCEvanGaming(I think. I hope I'm not wrong about the recap guy lol). But the only reason I even felt remotely invested was Technoblade. I felt Tommy was annoying af at the beginning but I like his IRL content more.
i really don't think George is at fault for like 99% of what happened. like.. the age thing. He literally stated that the After party required people to be 21+ to attend, due to alcohol. it's a fairly reasonable assumption that human you met at the after party was at the very least 21. i understand that's not necessarily how the law works in cases where the person is under 18, but she wasn't under 18.
Yes. But it’s also not alright to sleep with an intoxicated person, regardless of age.
Multiple of his friends made sure Caiti was okay because of how visibly uncomfortable she was, and she kept pulling away from him and he kept creeping on her. He had assumed if he was slow enough with gr*ping her she wouldn't care and it wouldn't be considered assault. Also, the developmental difference between an 18 year old and a 26 year old is absolutely enormous.
From what i have read and statements from people that was there he's not blameless but she's far from innocent as well both should have just talked privately @@commandercorl1544
literally
@@brookelynnwu8016 he never slept with her, he tickled her stomach
George also cleared his name and proved she lied on 5 different things
yah but don’t you think its too late she already ruined his life and career
@@Getbacktoworknika no not at all lots of people supporting him
admitting he touched her without her consent isn’t really “clearing his name”. at least, not to good, moral people it isn’t.
@@wolfiiu Yeah, like he did confirm that he touched her when she was drunk, in a state where someone might not be able to consent.
@@wolfiiu I'm glad you're a good, moral person. We all know good moral people flaunt their good moralness against bad immoral people. That's what makes them good moral people.
(I don't entirely disagree with you but this is stupid)
Besides, moving an arm position while cuddling doesn't make you an immoral person? You just made a mistake and misread the situation.
why cant people just chill
They vote Joe Biden, that’s why.
Right!
Real
Very good question
why can't people just not
damn I feel so bad for shubble
I never watched her but when I was younger I remember her playing with the youtubers I watched and she was so sweet during those videos.
Yeah, I'm glad the Internet didn't focus on the juvenile aspect of that to dismiss her. Because when that's your reality 24/7, it just has to add up.
@@JimmyRobins Luckily I'm pretty sure the RUclipsrs she used to play with were pretty unproblematic (i hope they still are lol) like Ldshadowlady and her group (if i remember correctly i was like 12 when i last watched them)
@@ciphertailLdshadowlady's friend group is the hermitcraft and empires minecraft server youtube circle. So yeah her friend group is pretty wholesome and unproblematic
@@Marskay god i love those guys so much
PLEASE STOP GROUPING THEM TOGETHER!!! One is an actual abuser the other is a false alligation. george is innocent bffr
false information
George is innocent. Let it be an overweight content creator to take the white knight role lol😅😂
@@bestkoreanjesus Weight has nothing to do with this.
This should be the top comment
@@bestkoreanjesus Dude, wtf. What does weight have to do with anything??
Personally George didn't SA Caitie but the whole situation was miscommunication definitely.
The Internet mades it seem like he r*ped her or something horrible but it was simply just tickling. Its true her feelings are valid, just should've been sorted out privately.
To put George in the same level as Wilbur is just not it.
caiti straight up butchered the situation. Not to mention, she was feeling uncomfortable with george, however she walked him to the elevator? Why? Why is this situation public in the first place?
This is how rape works. It's so easy to blame the victim. But rape only happens because the girls always let the men get too close.
too late george lost :)
really? what happened?@@gleebybooer
@@gleebybooer What do you mean?
@@gleebybooer george lost what?
Prefacing this to say I don’t keep up with these Minecraft creators at all. In this video summary, you point out the circumstances and holes in Katie’s account, but your title and thumbnail suggest to me that George and Wilbur’s situations are comparable. That doesn’t align with the details here and feels misleading.
he wants the views lmao
"please stop biting me it rlly hurts and i dont like it"
"THIS IS WHO I AM"
so, who you are is, a sadist?
As someone who has been through a similar situation to what Caiti claimed to have happened, I find it difficult to believe it. When I was about 15, I was at a friends birthday party when a kid that I had rejected multiple times wrapped his arms around my shoulders so tightly I could barely move and growled at my (at the time) girlfriend when they tried to sit next to me again. Like Caiti claims, I had reasons to feel that this was just something I had to deal with, I did not explicitly say no, and most of the people in the room with me noticed and made comments about how uncomfortable I seemed. However, after I made an excuse to get up, I talked to my friends, made an effort to not sit next to him again, and left the party as soon as I was able to. I find it hard to believe that anyone in that situation would willing go back to it multiple times afterwards and continue to text him for months in such a friendly manner. Idk, I know it's not always a good argument to compare one person's experience to another, but her story just reminded me so much of my own, and I just feel weird knowing that something that was so awful for me is being twisted like this.
not to nitpick and like point fingers but the crying doesn’t really feel very genuine, however i don’t want to immediately assume she is lying
Same
That wasn't even real crying like bro lmao
It was manipulative
@@Favvlatina fr
I’m only 10 minutes in, and I already have so much to say:
• Just bc someone consented to something once, does not mean they are consenting to it all the time. Once someone uses, let alone screams out, their safeword Wilbur should’ve stopped yet as Shelbie said, he refused to stop and would even bite down harder.
Absolutely fucking disgusting
He said that??
The thing with Wilbur is that he acknowledged that he engaged in biting. Shelby wasn't saying the biting alone was abuse, but the continuing and biting harder after the use of a safeword was. And it is. Continuing with an act after your partner uses the safeword is no longer engaging in a consensual act. After the safeword, it is assault.
In George's case, I hesitate to take a side. From both of their stories, it sounds like two drunk people getting a little touchy, then one of them regretting the interaction after, with a sober headspace. I don't want to invalidate Caiti's feelings because maybe she did regret it, and it's weighing on her. That's not my place to say. But I also don't think George was trying to do anything malicious. If anything, I think George was trying to be pretty mindful of his interactions with Caiti even in his inebriated state.
Based on what we know now, Wilbur is abusive and a danger to those close to him, and George was involved in a misunderstanding between two drunk individuals that he says he'll learn from going forward.
Edit to add: I agree with you on what you said in the last few minutes. Even if no one had malicious intent (and I don't think there was any malice), there was a lot of stupidity and lack of self-preservation on Dream and George's part. But I think they're more guilty of being irresponsible than being abusive, predatory, or malicious. Lessons learned the hard way, I guess
I hate how you can't just call that Caiti shit for what it is. They straight up lied and tried to ruin his shit for clout. That's malicious as hell and you have to treat them with kid gloves. It's really pathetic and I'm really getting sick of this whole schtick with treating every single woman in every single situation like she's an angel who just did some "weird" things that harm people.
Never do the "both sides are seeing it differently" thing to make people feel better about it. She needs hard correction.
george literally admitted he touched her without consent. that’s assault. regardless of anything she said, HE admitted to it. you must not come on the internet very often if you think everyone treats women like angels all the time.
He admitted he touched her waist, not the sa allegations because this is NOT sa. Stop treating these adult women like children. She needs to take accountability too. She lied, she manipulated the narrative to make George seem like he was a pr3dator or something worse, she omitted important context, she didn't communicate with him first, she acted as if she didn't need to provide proof (wtf). Dude is innocent, nonverbal consent and verbal consent coexist, body language and nonverbal communication is part of consent too, especially in these scenarios, that's how the real world works and not this nonsense bullsh1t. Stop treating women as if they were fcking r3tarded, she knew what she was doing by making this public, she exaggerated things and now ruined this guy's reputation and career, this is a mockery to real sa and r4pe victims. @@wolfiiu
@@Melagm i’m not saying she’s a good person. but george admitted himself that he touched her “i put my hand on her waist under her shirt… i started moving my hand further up” and without verbal consent (the only kind of consent). body language is not consent, according to the law. touching someone beneath their clothes and above their waist is sexual assault.
This is for clarification on what Assault is and this is from a commenter (Kopicat2429) that had messaged this Wolfiu person before in another comment (reply) section, this is mainly just here to say that this persons "ideas" of what laws are, arent actually what the law IS. Hope fully this clears things up.
From Department of Justice on Assault:
Absent a statutory definition of assault, the courts have looked to the common law and have concluded that an "assault" is:
An attempt with force or violence to do a corporal injury to another; may consist of any act tending to such corporal injury, accompanied with such circumstances as denotes at the time an intention, coupled with present ability, of using actual violence against the person.
But, of course, an assault can also be committed "merely by putting another in apprehension of harm whether or not the actor actually intends to inflict, or is capable of inflicting that harm." Ladner v. United States, 358 U.S. 169, 177 (1958). Proof of this form of assault requires establishment of a reasonable apprehension of the immediate application of force to the victim. Note also that a condition in an offer of violence may negate the element of apprehension. For an excellent discussion of this concept, see Watts v. United States, 402 F.2d 676 (D.C. Cir. 1968), rev'd on other grounds, 394 U.S. 705 (1969). While the conviction of assaulting a Congressman requires proof that the defendant willfully caused an offensive touching, it is not necessary to prove a more severe injury.
www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1610-assault-18-usc-351e
Another from www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/violent-crimes/assault-battery/
Assault is typically defined as an intentional act that puts another individual in apprehension of immediate harm. Assault thus criminalizes the threat of harm itself, rather than requiring that actual harm has occurred. For this reason, it is sometimes also known as “attempted battery.” Since assault is an intentional act, it cannot be committed by accident. This means that a perpetrator must have intended to cause fear in another person, or that he or she acted in a way that was knowingly dangerous, even if a specific individual was not targeted. Assault does not require that the victim fear being subjected to severe bodily harm or death. Any reasonable fear is sufficient.
For George's tickling to constitute assault, she has to have reasonably feared harm. For that to happen, we'd need context. I don't know if she did or didn't. I wasn't there.
But just touching someone is. not. assault.
@@wolfiiuI saw u keep spreading misinformation in under evry comment.
he denied any sexual assault instead he exposed her lies one by one in his video.
u want to support a woman even though she lied & falsely accused someone to turn his life.go for it but don’t expect ppl to support a liar.
Gods, when I was younger and before he went into DreamSMP I had a crush on Wilbur, I feel kinda gross now
I wish Shubble and the other girl all the best with their healing processes
Edit: there's so much victim-blaming both in the replies to this and the comment section in general, absolutely disgusting, y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
theres a chance wilbur isn't an abuser and shelby was making it up, not on any side, but a testimony is not concrete evidence
@@user-hi6pc5jj5y self-report
@@user-hi6pc5jj5y how do u say that after wilbur literally admit to it? did u not watch the video??
healing process... from a guy putting his arm around your waist
LMAO
@@stage8790 girl fr. The george thing is straight up pathetic
The mad tickler and the rabid man. I miss the old days of diamond dimensions modded survival.
bro I'm missing the days of speedrun controversies at this point
Wilbur sounds like a piece of crap.
Kinda on George's side for that situation.
I don't watch any of these people lol.
Man you’re smart
yup
same
yeah this is how i feel too tbh, and i did watch these people lmao
😂 same. I’m mainly here for something to listen to while I’m doing work
Could we get an epilepsy warning around 12:15 it's quite a bit flashy and made me feel a little disoriented
Same! I know it wasn't on purpose but it took me off guard and made me really disoriented.
frr
@@Calum-kg9mi it’s clear that you’re just trolling. Go get the attention you never received as a child elsewhere.
@@Calum-kg9mi broski just the smallest flashing lights can affect someone
@@Calum-kg9mi not everyone uses flashing light
Funny how GNF accuser's deleted everything after telling multiple different story. She made Wilbur's victim seem like a fool. People stop faking accusations of SA challenge level impossible apparently. All it does is make real victims less believable. Gross.
exactly my view on the situation. happens way to often.
I hope tommys ok. With Techno’s passing, dream and George facing allegations and having to come to terms with Wilbur being a bad person. It’s already hard enough for people who didn’t know them and he was close friends with them I hope he’s alright
As a survivor I'm tired of hearing what went down between George and Caitibuggz referred to as assault it is so fucking depressing honestly even from her own account I'm just disgusted by her entire fucking video to be honest. It's seriously mind-blowing the amount of people claiming it's assault they have no fucking idea what assault looks like if they consider her telling of that night to be so.
I'm sorry but i never believed Caitie. I don't like George but her tears and crying just looked fake. She blew the whole thing out off proportion because her friend group probably influenced her since they don't like the dreamsmp.
Something that makes me kinda laugh is cati saying "when i get drunk i don't stick my hand under someone's shirt" but literally a couple minutes before said "any cuddling or touching i did that night was because i was drunk, not because i was into you"
Tickling on the stomach is on the same level as cuddling for me, although i personally feel that cuddling is more intimate than tickling lmao
Absolutely wild. Cati has been caught in far too many lies with her recounting of the events that it ruins her credibility in my eyes. One or two small mistakes i could maybe look over but Jesus.......
Also the bandwagoning off of what happened to Shelby is crazy too. I believe shelby, i do not believe cati.
This whole thing is so overblown with Georgenotfound. I feel bad for him because the way people are talking about this, you'd think he r-ed a child, not flirtatiously touched an adult who was underage drinking and gave mixed signals.
Caiti's unusual level of repulsion/regret over what most adults would consider very tame definitely makes me think her emotional maturity level was just not ready for that type of interaction. I remember feeling kind of similarly when i was around 14 and was in a couple situations that i now know i was not emotionlly ready for. Unfortunately, that feeling didnt really fade for a few years after that, so i hope shes able to work her way through it and feel better soon.
But i also really dont like how she has chosen to act upon the gross way that she feels. This isnt going to make the gross feeling go away, only make it worse.
She lied 😊
my friend dated Wilbur Soot YEEEEARS ago (before he was famous) and he’s literally always been a complete asshole. Awful awful person.
lmao. This is a blatant lie.
@@Thomas_Angelo how do you know its a lie or not ?
@@rodyheheheh My brain works
not saying ur lying of course but do u have proof of ur friend being in a relationship with him ? what age were they during it ?
@@Thomas_Angelo “my brain works” boy. Do you know ANYTHING about this person even??
As someone who has had the george situation all over my timeline for qeeks now, I've always felt a bit weird by the reaction to it. This applies to many similar situations, but it deeply disturbs me how eager and almost excited people seem when someone is accused of being a predator of some kinds. Making jokes and memes and "HELL NAW 😭" esque posts. It feels no one actually cares about the situation itself, just who it's about.
As for my personal interpretation on the situation itself, I find myself agreeing with your interpretation a lot. Now i can give the tiniest bit of leeway for them assuming caiti's age, that being that they were already allegedly drunk before arriving, meaning they might have been drinking at the event itself, which would (hopefully) mean they were ID-d. Now i do still agree double checking, especially with the position of power Dream is in, should've been done, but again I think it was just recklessness and hopefully doesn't happen again going forward. Also i saw some people saying he "should've known" her age based on her appearance at the time, and as someone who hasn't grown an inch since middle school and gets mistaken for being aay younger than I actually am (20), and by extension my mother is often mistaken as my sister, some people just look way younger than they actually are lol. If George is telling the truth in that he used her being drunk to assume her age, it's not too crazy. Irresponsible though, yes.
Now for the implied consent. I don't want to flat out say caiti wasn't uncomfortable or didn't feel any pressure. However, i do kind of see where George is coming from. Now, him getting verbal consent would have been best, absolutely, but I also think (if again he's being truthful) he wasn't ignoring her consent, if that makes sense. He watched her closely for signs of discomfort, took notice of her getting up and returning, and even later in the elevator not making any further advances to invite her when it was just the two of them (not applauding him for that since it's obviously the only correct thing to do, just pointing it out). Still, overall I do think he should've gotten some verbal form of consent before slipping his hand under her shirt since that is something that is a clear step up from just cuddling. Also want to add Destiny's comment of "she should be lucky" is fucking disgusting.
I don't personally believe Caiti is malicious, in fact i think her calling out George's questionable actions is warranted, although privately. I do actually believe she probably felt pressure in her situation, but I'm honestly more concerned about her friend group in this scenario. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but were all of her friends in that group that we publicly know about over the age of 21? Because if so that's REALLY concerning to me that THEY knew she was under the age of 21 (barely an adult at that) ALLOWED her to get drunk in a public setting, then afterwards having her tag along into the hotel room full of a bunch of adult men in their 20s to drink more? Then not stepping in to tell them of her age, especially if they saw her in that situation with George? Even if one of them is over the age of 21, I nelieve some fault should also fall onto them alongside Dream and George, because they probably had MORE awareness of how bad this situation was in that moment. This is just my tin-foil hat theory though, and god I hope I'm wrong because it worries me imagining Caiti being friends with someone like that.
People nowadays actively seek out stuff they can be enraged, offended, simply bvtthurt about or just don't want others to like.
That wouldn't be so much of a problem if at least they tried to look at both sides and, most importantly, wait for accurate info to come out instead of hearing a sob story from another attention-h0e and then just roll with that being a hard fact for all of eternity. And don't you dare try to correct or educate them on the actual truth; they'll wish you unspeakable things and call you whatever insult they can think of.
This is one main reason to not have Twitter, Tumblr, Facebook or spent much time in RUclips comments.
These people are all over the damn place and they do NOT appreciate anything but their bubble of like-minded fools.
Maybe don’t falsely accuse people next time and use language that people that have actually been SA’ed use. It’s actually offensive.
I mean, yeah he definitely messed up but I really don't think it deserves all this drama. In fact I think he realized she was not into him at the end and that's when HE said to HER "alright I'm going now", he didn't try to force himself into her at all
That is true😢.because he stated in that letter of his that he literally said to her,he no longer has feelings for her and wants to end their relationship.that right there,is a man who knows that he still respects a girl.in my opinion,i think Wilbur should truthfully apologize for his past abusive attitude.he will get a second from us if he does it anyway😊.
That is very true.he literally stated in his letter that,he told her that he no longer has feelings for her and wants to end their relationship.that right there,is a man who still knows how to respect a girl.the reason why he said that,is because he KNOWS that he has greatly hurt her and just wants her to be happy with someone who will truly love her.thats why he said he wants to end their relationship😊.
as someone who watched the entire video, had little context on other videos, and is just a random person on the internet
I like to believe George is innocent since he handled every response with utmost detail, maturity, and spoke directly to his viewers while also disproving some minor malicious details he was allegated with. His apology and added note that he had no malicious intent while being backed up by real time witnesses is the cherry on top.
It's weird to see how it's easy to destroy someone's career with just random claims and a bunch of crocodile tears. Props to GEORGE* for being considerate, very articulate, and having a solid foundation for debunking the allegations unlike Wilbur Soot who's just doomed to fail with his situation, with not only the allegations but also his nonsensical retort.
he's a fucking creep mate
Props to Wilbur?? You Mean George?
You mean George disproving. And Wilbur confessing. Right?
might wanna fix the name mistake in your last paragraph haha ,, i think you mean “props to george” but you said wilbur instead
now im confused😂😂😂. joke aside, change it.
Ngl this shit is cringe. How do we spend an hour going over how this chick lied about important parts of her story and still bend over backwards to critique Dream and George?
Don’t get me wrong, you can nitpick at them not verifying someone’s age at their event if you want, but it just seems so dumb to me. I used to have a fake ID before I was 21 and have never been caught when going into clubs in different states. Idk why I would expect two random RUclipsrs to have tighter security than clubs and bars but whatever. I agree that they should do it btw, I just feel like the only reason to focus on that is the fear of being labelled a rape apologist or something. Which is fair because of how the internet is but annoying to see when this girl can be caught lying and possibly faking messages and still not receive as harsh a criticism as the two men in this situation, who if we’re being honest, are clearly the real victims of some weird campaign.
But it’s the internet so whatever. The more interesting part of this should be figuring out if it was coordinated and if so, who was involved. But instead now that George has been cleared we’ll just lighten the criticism from sexual assault to do better verifying age and pretend like none of this ever happened
Screw fake ID. I was only 16 when complete strangers believed I was a full on adult. Build, confidence, and clothing can easily make up for any discrepencies. A girl I knew, one of the three Taylors I met in middle school, looked like an adult as a highschool freshman. If we just said the wrong number, you would literally need to card us for proof.
I'm very confused by Caiti's story. What she describes is not SA, even in her own story. So why are we acting like it is?
Because people are brain rot and do not know the definition of SA 🙃
My gues is that the girl who accused george was too drunk to remember things proper, which made her sober self fill in the details which messed up eith her mental
If you believe that tripe I don't know how to help you . A girl accused an autistic guy of sexual assault and the police were involved. Came to my room cried in my arms etc etc . Months later after going through all police things the girls admits she lied . Some people are just evil . And men are stupid enough to involve themselves with women who say they have bpd . Some peope are just evil
The george situation is the biggest nothing burger of the year
genuinely. we should never have been made aware of it and it should have been handled privately. i think her friend group is filled with a bunch of moral high horse losers with hate boners for dream and his friends and i don't respect their fake activism.
This is really thorough.
Thanks, Annie!
The fact that ppl are overlooking that katie FAKED Ss and also has proof of her and her friends WANTING to play the drinking games? She's twisting arround the whole story to make it seem like somthing so bad when that's not true?
I think she saw the response Shelby received and wanted some of the clout and validation so she went and warped the truth for attention
Her and her friends calling this SA is REALLY disrespectful towards real victims of SA honestly
It makes everything look like a joke and people will now be more distrustful of any future victims of SA sharing their story in general which is horrible
this literally happened to me. under a video like this, I commented about my own sa to someone to explain how it the trauma affects people differently and I got called I liar. It was literally a RUclips comment section but they accused me of lying, it's getting harder and harder for real victims to talk about it because of the amount of people that cry sa when it was a self induced misunderstanding
@@jodieisnotokayand yet u are doing the same to catie? make it make sense
@@sofita8217 I beat the tickling allegations
@@sofita8217 you are not making any sense
I'm surprised about the underage drinking debate. George is English and speaking as a European it's not really worth a conversation in my opinion. It is strategically amazing on Caiti's behalf though. Portraying herself as underage in regard to drinking but otherwise she's a consenting adult.
I do have to say that the minecraft community extends beyond the dream smp fandom and creators. This community has existed long before the dream smp was even formed and most of its creators make generally family friendly content. It always annoys me when people say that "minecaft youtube is weird" when in reality they are referencing only a small part of the overall fandom. The dream smp is undeniably very influential but it is in no way representative of what the entire minecraft community is like as a whole
I get being uncomfortable with something that happens, it sucks when you go through an experience that makes you feel gross and regretful. Caitie is valid to feel that way, and I would even say it’s okay to vent about that discomfort but maybe not reveal names because it wasn’t truly a non consensual encounter with any malicious intent. I’ve experienced sexual encounters that were consensual throughout, but have still traumatized me. I would never try to ruin someone’s reputation because of my reaction though. I think she just needs to work through her feelings in therapy, we do things we regret all the time. It’s part of life unfortunately, and we can’t go around demonizing every person that we have a regretful encounter with.
One thing I don’t understand is why she would continue to hang out with him when she KNEW he was older. Why are you getting mad at him for him not knowing your age but you knowing his age, still continue to hang out with him, sit with him, cuddle him. I’m not trying to dismiss her but it’s kind of odd if you think of it from a different light.
Wattpad writers after their Wilbur soot manipulative yandere boyfriend fanfic's came true: 😨😨
To the video editors, knock it off with the slow strobe. While I am not affected by it like those with epilepsy may be it is still too much and very distracting and annoying.
idk caiti seems pretty unreliable, talking like shes just telling a story, and generally just wanting attention also kinda fake in general
Jimmy, put a epilepsy warning for the Caiti clips at 12:15 please. 🙇♀️
I speak as a victim of MANY things and so this situation hit home for me. I wish the best for Shelby in the future and I send her so much love. I hope Caiti gets some genuine therapy to help her process her very intense feelings with that experience and friends that don't pressure her to speak on things that are so private.
I've seen multiple comments on this video, and honestly I agree in that they were both just badly drunk and simply had failed communication. To me, it also just seems like this matter should be private, and not for the whole world to know 2 people's unpleasant, intimate interactions.
georgenotfound situation has already been proven false though, she admit she made up the story after he ghosted her when he found out her age, and not a single person at the part supported her story or said they saw anything happening....in the room where apparently "everyone was gathered watching" its just another attention grab lmao
12:29 why did you make the Caiti clips flash like that. It hurts. I really hope this is only a couple clips and it isn't throughout the rest of the vid cause ouch man. Lucky I don't have epilepsy or it'd be much worse than just pain.
She lied
oh no.
i think this is a very good video i love how unlike most commentary channels you actually make it clear when you speak your own opinion and differentiate it from when you speak of the facts and what ppl involved say, you’re genuinely one of the most unbiased i’ve seen and your video format are so good 🙏
i think it’s rlly sad to see that this situation could’ve easily been handled a lot better, if they had spoken even by proxy like you said it could’ve caused a lot less harm to caiti and anyone else involved it’s worth to note the entire situation has been discussed by the involved parties through twitter and streams only george was not contacted a single time by anyone, i think it’s even sadder that this is being discussed sm when the public doesn’t have anything to do with it but wilbur being an abuser and assaulter has been swept under the rug now :/ i think george fucked up bad but i believe he is redeemable and that he needs to work on himself and show genuine change. i don’t like that ppl are trying to dismiss caiti’s feelings because she saw the situating and lives that experience in a negative way, i think both george and caiti are valid for the way they’re feeling now
I am becoming more and more extremely uncomfortable with how situations like this is handled. No one’s first response to assault or any crime for that matter is to take it to the internet first and foremost. The fact that it has been happening with more and more frequency has left me the first thought that the victim is doing it for attention. That deeply pains me as a victim myself. Although I have spoken about my trauma there have been situations that I have not disclosed due to guilt.
The other thing that has been bothering me a lot as of late, is the internet’s response to accusations. No one. ABSOLUTELY no one is skeptical any more. No, I’m not saying that everyone’s first response to an allegation should be “they are lying!”, the first thought should be “I don’t want to doubt a victim but I would like some evidence or corroborating testimony”. The internet is so gung-ho on getting creeps, pervs, degenerates, and everything in between that they take a victim’s story as 100% fact, no room for doubt allowed.
Another thing is the internet has this VERY bad habit of attacking those who DO want to reserve their judgment on someone. I’m starting to think people believe it’s guilty until proven innocent and not the other way around. It’s okay to reserve judgment until you know more information and it’s okay that you are unsure of a situation. You are only one person and not everything is black and white. This is coming FROM a victim of a lot of different situations that no one should have to endure.
My message for the internet: Please reserve judgement on a situation until you are either 100% OR are willing to admit that there isn’t enough information to draw a conclusion from. Just be aware that the same thing can happen to you and you will want people to listen to your side.
Note: I love that final few seconds where you’re playing Minecraft, it’s hilarious.
Victims going to the internet to share their stories isnt attention seeking or bad, It spreads information and it encourages other people to come out about their own experiences. I think its pretty insulting that you would come to the conclusion that shubble did it for attention even though she didnt even name wilbur in her video, Her fans were the ones that found out who her ex boyfriend was on their own.
I also agree with the comment above a lot, I couldnt have worded it better.
"doing it for attention" as opossed to what exactly? let an abuser gather fame and live without any consequences the dude will most likely not go to jail and I'd love it if abusers had a giant pop up icon telling me they're abusers so i can avoid any kind of interactions with them the fact that you deal with things in different ways than others doesn't allow you to invalidate the ways they do thinking victims are doing it for attention is not only rude but heartless and i hope you can find it in yourself to stop thinking that way
i get it you shouldnt stay quiet about a thing like that esppecially when they have a platform full of other vulnerable people. but what i think OP meant was that the first response is to grab a phone instead of taking legal actions against them
@@libretachikita
“No ones first response it to take it to the internet” both cases literally happened over months and months ago, this wasn’t them running to the internet it was coming out with their story of an experience w/ a public figure after months of processing
@@libretachikita First of all, use full stops. Second of all, they aren’t saying ALL victims are doing it for attention. They’re just pointing out how dangerous it is to jump to conclusions, *kind of like exactly what you are doing* which is a great example of just how bad it’s gotten. To keep the world civil we must hear from both sides, and not jumps to conclusions, that is priority especially because sometimes the real victims can be the accused.
(I’m not saying anybody accused here was a victim, don’t assume that lol. I’m just making a general point and so was the OG commenter.)
As a rape survivor who has worked with and talked to many other survivors of both rape and SA, I am very concerned about the girl in the tickling incident.
I've seen some comments where they say tickling is not SA and I counter that by saying it can be, especially when under one's clothes and I would call it such if it was a guy doing this to a younger girl at a work place where such touch is absolutely inappropriate. At a party, however, with both people being intoxicated, seeming into eachother and her neither saying no or to stop I think it's going a bit too far to call someone out publicly on the internet as a sexual abuser.
It is ok for her to regret not stopping him and also ok for her to be upset that he even did it in the first place, but I think that this is something that could have better been handled privately. I don't think putting it out on the internet as a "part 2" following the serious relationship abuse alleged by Shelby against another guy in the friend group was the best idea as, judging by the comments, people are seeing it as clout chasing over exaggerating hypersensitivity, despite how valid her individual feelings are.
Whatever her intentions were with putting the video out, I do think she needs to seek help, therapy or group counseling. I have never heard of anyone describing PTSD like symptoms and wondering if they will ever be the same again after being tickled but the fact that she's had such an extreme reaction makes me think that perhaps there is something that needs to be looked into there. Of course people who have had a history of sexual abuse can react much stronger than typical to casual or flirty touches and memories can also be repressed.
On the other hand, and I'm hoping this is not the case but I feel it wouldn't be fair leave this unsaid- It is also very concerning if this is a young woman, recently of age, using another woman's legitimate domestic abuse story to get attention and accuse a man of sexual assault for tickling her- well thats a problem. If that is the case I would still encourage that she seek some kind of help.
Ok... I'm seeing that it was a 21 and up party potentially with wristbands so he thought she was older...
And she changed her story and faked information. She absolutely needs to seek help for accusing someone of sexual assault for tickling her. Those of us who have actually gone through assaults have enough issues with being called liars, told we were asking for it because of how we dressed, told that girls always make stuff up about guys to get attention when they don't like them. The LAST thing we need is girls ACTUALLY MAKING THINGS UP to accuse guys with. Then the people who think that way have actual examples to name while telling us what happened to us didn't happen.
@@dahliacheung6020 nowadays people use SA for clicks and cloud and thats bad if they continue to use SA for that real victims of SA will suffer beacause of them, the law vs fake SA accusation is just slap on the wrist and people they can get away but for the men there repotation is ruind even they proven inocent
This next generation is messed up. You guys will have to sign a written contract before every intimate moment. Plus why are we making it seem like 18 isn’t an adult? She travels, drinks and she KNEW his age. I think this was a setup.
George was cleared there wasn't even SA (they didn't have sex) she tried to ruin his life and career just to elevate her own, it's just that simple. She had every opportunity to sit away from him she even could have left with her friends but the whole time she lay there cuddling and laughing? lol 🙄 She was looking for a transactional relationship at this party "I was excited to be around such big creators i figured that's just how things were, that was the price i had to pay to be there, that anyone would have loved to be in my position" those are her words! she was willing to sell herself to grow her brand and when that didn't work she went the false allegation route. Cuddling, tickling someone's stomach and laughing together is not SA! At no point did she do or say anything to lead this man to believe that she was bothered, people are not mind readers. She was adult enough to take this trip, go to this party, drink knowing full well she is not 21 so where is her accountability in all of this? she inserted herself into a gathering of people that were 21+ all that being said if you throw a party make sure you know who's there, these guys can afford to have someone at the door checking ages lol
"there wasn't even SA (they didn't have sex)." I would like to correct you on this tiny bit here. SA isn't having sex without consent, sex without consent is rape.
sa doesn't have to be having sex, but it's also not tickling
Can the internet stop being a dramatic toxic place, for fuck sake, I want to enjoy my time here, not always being drowned in this stuff.
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Could you make a video about the chuggaconroy drama? I feel like a lot of time has passed to make a good video on it and your style of covering this drama is really well put together
bro it's crazy ngl . from 2020 and on being a minecraft youtuber/streamer is like putting ur name on a hit list THAT DAMN GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR KIDS GODDAMIT 😂😂😂😂😂😂 now every 2 weeks some new skeletons jump out the closet of someone
I wonder if early fame scrambles their brains, because the Hermitcratf/Life Series people seem to still be normal, and the main difference seems to be the Hermitcraft people being older on average (middle aged, some are married with kids etc) and Hermitcraft fame growing slowly and steadily, not as rapidly as DSMP.
It’s for kids!! 😂😂
personally i think it's more about maturity . i mean the youngest one of them i think is pearlescentmoon and she's 27 i think so makes sense why you wouldn't catch them in a hotel room participating in a drinking competition with some 18yo's @@lagggoat7170
The Caiti situation is fucked up. Listen to both sides. The way she tried to craft this to ruin his life is disgusting.The charged language and the insinuations are seriously reprehensible. Anything short of legal consequences would be an injustice. Everyone who cheered on this act calling her brave and wishing death upon George ...you should take some time looking at your reflection and wonder why you are the way you are.
can youtube just, not? im sick of petty drama and people falsely claiming SA because they know they can get away with it.
if the police report isn't there, i don't want to see shit.
Wilbur is guilty, George is innocent
Don't follow these creators at all - I just watch this stuff cause I have a teenager and a pre-teen who are venturing onto the internet. I am finding myself shaking my head at apologies - "I am an adult but I am just now understanding X,Y and Z about other people" is such a limp response and I thought the guy acted more or less decent to the girl. I disliked how she framed it like a gangbang was planned and he tickled her, clearly there is some poisen being dripped into this story by her or her friend group. Her word choice is deliberate as to paint her in the best light possible and he took a hour of cuddling and ended it with a bare skin tickle. Sorry, but if you want to go to a hotel already drunk and participate in drinking games and other things and you let ANYONE cuddle you for a period of more than 15 minutes, I don't think you can cry foul if they playfully flirt. He took the no, he walked her back to her room and left it at that. This is the kind of stuff that diminishes stories like the biting and/or other actual SA incidents. Also - her theatrics were a bit much. I do agree that these are a good case study and we are too focused on sensitivity to the point where critical thinking sometimes takes a backseat.
George and Caiti's situation was just a huge misunderstanding. I want to believe no one was malicious (except maybe outside parties), and no one was the "bad guy." But according to Twitter, you can't make mistakes anymore; there's only good guys and bad guys. We shouldn't think like that. We should be taking mistakes we make and learning from them. George hopefully takes what he learned to heart. And although Caiti got very blackpillrd from this, I hope she learned something as well like don't drink with total strangers or how to stand up for herself as a young woman - unfortunately that is the world we live in and we have to do our best to try to make it a bit better.
Even for the Wilbur situation, it's grey. There's Shelby's side, Wilbur's side, and somewhere in between is the truth, and we'll never know. It is what it is and that's okay. We don't have to pick a side and put it on Twitter. Most of the time people forget about this in a week, so do our choices matter?
In conclusion, you're right that this was overblown. A lot of these cases get overblown by the spectators. My theory is because most people didn't read/listen to the full stories. People who say they supported Shelby and Caiti didn't even have the facts about these girls. They also refused to listen to the side of the accused. The truth is always somewhere in the middle; you need both sides. For Caiti mainly, if you read her side in full, you'd see the cracks. I know that not every accusation is false, embellished, or reinterpreted, but if you want to claim to support a victim, maybe try listening to them fully. It seems that people are more excited about punishing the accused rather than listening to the accuser and its really sad because that's how false accusations slip in. I know not everyone has the time to do it, but it's great that people like you take the time to actually listen to everyone entirely and try to find the truth. Great video as always Jimmy 👏
i think this more applies to cati, as shelby has had people who knew both of them personally and were thought of as wilbur's best friends come out and support her. but yes, people believe anything way to easily, and no one seems to realize you can support victim's and not attack the accused.
I feel so the title is misleading (haven't watched the full video) a bit since I think Goerge didn't hit rock bottom, I feel that he explained himself pretty well, Wilbur on the other hand did not. So yeah in my eyes only Wilbur hit rock bottom so the title is a bit clickbaity.
I dont think you should put GeorgeNotFound on the same level as Wilbur Soot
Can we address the fact that Caiti was under age, drinking a group of friends that were in their mid-late 20s?
one of which (ghostie) has been caught "mixing up facts on accident"
We all have been in uncomfortable situation. Knowing the difference between what is an SA vs being uncomfortable is tough especially at her age. But instead of messaging him going "hey I was uncomfortable last night." that would've cleared the air. It depends on how he respond.
Her friends truly need to check themselves too. Instead of asking Geogre what happened that night, they just assumed that he had malicious intent and SA'd her when misunderstanding can happen. When there's no clear consent, you rely on how they react, aka body language. It doesn't matter if you never met each other before. If you don't verbally give your consent, they would just assume it's ok, especially when you got up and went back to cuddle them again.
I'm trying to be lenient with her considering her age. But it's hard because it's someone's career she's fucking up. I support the "Believe all Victims." But when you deliberately lied but also withheld evidence it's hard to side with you, especially when she knew he was going to respond.
And knowing that you are underage drinking and then blamed it on them is quite a shitty move. Which btw your friends who were older than you, didn't even stop her from drinking. She was NOT SA'd. She wanted to meet her idols. Got drunk and then flirted with him. She told her friends and they were like it's weird cause he's older. After he found out her age, he stop talking. I think that kinda pissed her off a little.
what is it with minecraft youtubers and consent bro
Dream:I love george.
Omg that gave me flashbacks from years ago when Dream keeps asking George to say that he loves him.
Make a video about caiti lying, please and thank you.
This is my only reliable source for internet news. I love your content and you’re always so thorough.
As someone who conciously steers clear of twitter, I only get my updates on this through youtube. I was a HUGE MCYT fan in 2020-2021 so whenever stories like this come out I want to make sure I'm up to date (especially since I was a big lovejoy fan up to a few weeks ago). Thanks for this clear and thorough video, its appericiated!!!
This feels so bizarre. I've never heard of a situation like this, so it feels hard to understand.
The Katie story sounds suss af.
Real
tru but her name is caiti
All I'm saying is that when your story omits facts that reframe the situation entirely, it's hard to believe you are being truthful about how you feel. Those omissions were a choice
I like the honesty with which you approach these subjects. I stay away from drama outside of your channel. You’re respectful, not dismissive of women or using people’s preferred pronouns, and level headed. Big ups.
I have been noticing a trend in your latest videos of you putting women's trauma under scrutiny, and I really do not like it.
Overall, I also think George's videos on the situation would have been much better received if he had started them out with the apology he gets to at the end of them instead of spending most of them debunking Caiti's trauma.
The George situation from a European perspective is so fucking weird. She was 18 and he was 26, call me insane, but I've seen that happen before. Also the legal age of drinking here is 18, so that's no problem either. Also I think that ANY guy could've been in Georges situation, or any girl for that matter. It really seemed like she was acting like she liked him, and he fell for it.
Americans aren't the type to think reasonably. Their complaining is done impulsively.