This is the best review of Camry I’ve seen yet Kirk and comparing it to an ES Lexus is especially timely and appropriate. Makes me wonder how good the next gen ES will be. Thank you for this my friend all the work you do!
8:24 Thank you for putting extra comments on the screen during the video. It’s very helpful for when you forgot something you wanted to say or misspoke. It’s a pet peeve of mine when the car reviewer gets the information wrong. Which happens quite often. Especially on new car models.
I test drove the 25 camry THEN the 24 ESh. Just bought the ESh. I couldn't fit in the back of the Camry and I thought the build quality felt cheap. I like the backseats fold down but I don't use my sedan as a truck. Sound system was subpar. Interior plastic was loose like it was a power wheels. Ride was zippy but bumpy. My ESh just feels smooth, and I LOVE driving it. The 25 Camry is a Jack of all trades, master of none -- a good car for MOST, perhaps the best value pick of all the sedans, but it isn't a luxury car. Neither is the accord for that matter.
Ok, fine, but you probably paid a whole lot more for your Lexus. I am approaching 70. I loved the V6 however the times are a'changin and the huge improvement in gas mileage makes more sense on a retirement income. Gasoline prices are only going to get higher over time. I had my super fast car life experiences, now it's time to find a great compromise. I purchased this last week and have waited 3 weeks for delivery. I suspect these vehicles will be in even more demand soon. One last thing: stop generalizing about brand dealerships- I just had a great Lexus-type experience at a Toyota shop. Previous vehicle Genesis G80 5.0 at a Genesis-only dealership. Be careful about broad assumptions.
@@peterschleh9382 that's why i bought the ESh I avg 45mpg using the hybrid camry drivetrain. Eventually will convert to an e-car just a matter of time and improvement in battery tech.
You can’t compare this to a Lexus ES, just because it’s a sedan with similar engine choices doesn’t mean it’s a Camry. The ES is a longer and bigger car with a much quieter interior and a smoother ride.
I love both the Camry and ES, but there are differences in the build quality, refinement, and sound insulation within the cabin. However, from the consensus I've heard, Toyota did a solid job with the noise reduction (from both wind and road), especially in the XSE trim. No doubt this generation of Camry will lure a lot of people from the economical and luxury sedan market (maybe even some potential SUV buyers as well, given the amount of room and trunk space it has), I'm quite impressed with it (though I'm sad about the V6 and naturally aspirated engines being precluded from future lineups). I have no doubts that this platform will be very reliable, Toyota has perfected the hybrid platform. My expectations for this generation honestly weren't that high, but Toyota really outdid themselves with the amount of effort they put into it.
@@double__de7387 we have a Lexus ES, European spec. Magnificent car, regarding build quality, materials, sound insulation etc etc, far, far, far better than a Camry. You cann't compare the two.
@@user-FTRU6GJI worked for Toyota and Lexus for over 10 years I get what you're saying but on average you pay 10K more materials as in terms of making the seats better, better interior and the softer ride I agree. But the average person to pay 10k for the same vehicle it's too much. If you're buying the gas es with the V6 hands down hybrid you've lost before you start.
I think that is the issue with this comparison. It appears to be based off the current generation ES. This would have been better served if he waited until the next gen ES was out.
I own a 21 Camry SXE V6. 48,000 miles and not a glitch. I don't know about the new Camry but my brother just traded his 23 Charger Scat Pack wide body for a Lexus IS500. There is no comparison. The charger is quicker off the line but the Lexus 5.0 screams. The build quality is impeccable.
@@naveenthemachineHere's some good advice. Hemi Mopars are awesome but if you want to buy one absolutely stay away from a 22-23 and you will avoid some very high stress levels.
Lol 40k plus isn't much to worry about. My 2017 camry xle has 210,000 miles and it runs flawlessly. Looks mint inside and smooth as silk at idle. Your in great shape for not spending much cash on repairs enjoy
@@naveenthemachine Thanks to Stellantis's cost cutting. Nope. It's all out there for everyone to see. I love Mopar. I own an 18 Challenger Hellcat with no problems but only 14,000 miles. My brother's Charger Scat Pack had a horrible dash rattle that never got fixed, an oil pan leak, two infotainment glitches and an upper control arm replacement. Stellantis cost cutting ruined these cars. The IS500 is way better for build quality.
I own a 500 i’d say it’s a lot quicker from a roll idk if it’s faster than a Charger but definitely feels different than getting it off the line. I think performance-wise, it’s a 392 competitor anyway.
I love how so many people here are bashing on Kirk as if they have ANY comparable experience… (just because you drove 1 Camry and an ES ONCE doesn’t mean you’re an expert lol) I think this is a very useful and valid video and it makes me glad to see that the Camry is such a solid choice rn. I can’t wait to see what the 26 ES has in store (maybe a slightly more powerful 5th gen hybrid system?)
I test drove both and let be say this, Camry is not Lexus. ES300H felt a lot better I terms of luxury, seat comfort, quietness, and overall level of refinement. In fact, the first thing I noticed was hard were the seats in the Camry. Honestly, for $42K I’d get a slightly used Lexus ES300h
You didn't drive the 2025 Camry LE. That is the Camry model that smothers the bumps and has ES level of road and tire noise. For only 30K instead of 44K
@@4afwhen buying a Toyota or Lexus, I recommend only buying the top trim level if you’re going to keep it for a long time. I think you’ll get more enjoyment out of it and it’s less of a reason to get rid of it.
Appreciate the objective, honest review. The car should be a sales hit since it offers a Lexus-like driving experience, proven reliability from the carried over hybrid powertrain and an affordable price.
The standard hybrid powertrain is a welcome addition to the Camry - the base 2.5L gas just feels a little rough and Toyota does hybrids so well it makes no sense not to go with the hybrid. Granted the ES would likely be even more refined to make up the price tag difference, but the Camry is the value king.
@@floggyWM1that’s inflation. It’s still a value especially after it’s paid off. My 2020 runs vary cheap. It only costs me $250 per month in gas and insurance. Makes it vary hard to get rid of and it doesn’t make sense to get rid of it.
Why nobody never mention an important difference between standard and premium brands: quality of the carpet. Premiums has thick high quality carpet even on trunk, meanwhile standard brands has cheap low quality lining... and for me this makes all the difference!
Thank you for this video! Yes, I have an LE 25 and is missing the energy flow monitor as you mentioned. Odd thing is that the owners manual says (p114) that you can see the energy Flow monitor on the multimedia screen not only on the digital cluster gauges. I think they didn't include at the very last minute. Hopefully, Toyota will update this.
Kirk, In select markets where it is available, I hear the Camry LE AWD is the one to get. The 2024 Camry may be the best one since the days of the double rear wiper Camry wagon 😉😉
I rented an a Camry Hybrid LE and I loved it…. I didn’t think I would like it… The cloth seats were awesome, the car drove through the Angeles National Forest in Sport mode and it was a dream…. I made up my mind that it’s what I wanted.
In terms of features, yes, the new Camry has just as much as the Lexus. But if you care about the badge and ultimate comfort and prestige feeling, then it’s always going to be Lexus. My 10-year-old ES 350 still feels soft, smooth and butter, compared to a Camry around the same age.
I rode for 40 minutes in a brand new Grand Highlander yesterday on mostly freeway and although it was a nice ride with a nice captain seat and leg room the NVH and bounciness of the suspension was off putting. I normally drive a 2019 Altima and people forget what makes Sedans good, it is their ride quality. They just float over road imperfections where something like an SUV is going to be taught and bouncy comparably.
The quality in the materials are much different , and if you look underneath both cars you will see differences in materials . The Camry v6 is a excellent car it’s just not the same as the ES , your argument would me more valid let’s say if the Toyota kept the Avalon which the ES is based off of
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Toyota has moved up-market. Reliability has pushed their brand higher. They are separating themselves from Kia, Hyundai, and Honda. It is an interesting move as Lexus will also have to improve to keep selling in the premium category.
@@kermit1 it’s about time to let it go nothing with a manufacturer stays forever they’ve had problems in the past as has every auto manufacture and they will get it fixed don’t be so obsessed lol
It's nice that Toyota is sharing so much Lexus refinement with the Camry. That will only help keep it head and shoulders above the competition. But a Lexus person is never going to be happy with a Camry. It's just not even in the same league. I "personally" have no need to be in that league and would much prefer the Camry. Just the fact that the rear seat doesn't fold down in the ES prevents me from even being remotely interested in one. A Lexus person would just bring the GX 460 if they need the rear seat to fold down. I don't have options like that at my fingertips. In fact, if Toyota would introduce the Camry in a proper wagon form like the ones they used to sell in the 80's & 90's, I would MUCH prefer the Camry over the Lexus ESh. Especially if they made it available in the base LE trim and it could be purchased for say $3k more than the base sedan. I'd be all over it. But as they say, "different strokes for different folks."
I like the 2025 Camry XSE, but, I absolutely hate the full glass roof! Here is my problem with that. There is a $1300 up charge for the full glass roof, which is fine if that's what you want. However, I want the XSE, but I DO NOT WANT THAT GLASS ROOF!!! Try to find a 2025 Camry XSE without a full-glass roof. You can't find one, so you are forced into paying $1300 for something you hate and would never want. I have also heard the full glass roofs on the 2025 Camrys have issues with breakage. Yes, they will self-destruct on their own. At least, that is what I've heard on YOU-tube videos and one local Toyota dealership from a friend that is a Toyota sales-person. Yes, I know there are plenty S.E. models with solid metal roofs, but I want an XSE with a solid roof. Thanks. If anyone knows or has found any 2025 XSE Camrys WITHOUT a glass-roof or sunroof, please reply. Wake up Toyota!
I ordered my 2025 Camry XSE and picked it up in July. It is pretty much loaded except i didn't get the 360 back up camera. Love the HUD though. The heavy metal is the color to get, the better wheels match it perfectly. It was a major upgrade from my Chrysler 200S ! About the same zip in sport mode and more than double the gas milage. Also much quieter with the insulated glass. It has all wheel drive also. Hopefully will not have the problems my 200 had, we will see!
Still driving my 2002 Camry. Yes, I've had a few big repairs (transm, stuts, master window controller, fuel injectors) but I still get 30mpg, still great visibility, still starts everytime, still fairly quiet and comfortable. Cost $16k and have had 17 yrs without car payments. Will drive it until it becomes unreliable. Likely have another 100k miles till then which will be about 10 more years. As much as I'd like a new car with modern features, at today's prices, I will happily keep this car.
Camry is great car but service experience, craftsmanship and warranty are better by far at the big L vs yota. My toyota dealership experience every time i go to the various ones in dc area is a pure letdown every time. Get what you pay for still holds up
@KirkKreifels our lex dealers cost more from my experience. But the level of people skills and attitudes are far better. It's just 2 diff worlds as far as ownership goes.
@@KirkKreifels uhhh no they don’t cost the same lol , they use the same parts but Lexus definitely charges more for service I work in service I know this this for a fact
Nah, will stick with my 2020 es....6 cylinder bullet proof engine, better interior, quieter , better suspension and plusher ride. Toyota execs are not dumb, they would never allow the Camry to be that similar to their Lexus es 350 product. Manufacturers are very aware of keeping higher end vehicles from.being cannibalized by their mid tier products.
So I bought this 2025 Camry on July 2nd. I have opened the panoramic roof 4x and today I decided to look into the mechanics of the roof when opened, while I was detailing the car after it rained. I was shocked to find that the fabric which is exposed because it’s the headliner that comes up and wraps below the sunshade- anyways the fabric is drastically torn and ripped and coming apart - so I took photos and I’m taking the Camry to service department tomorrow. I can’t imagine them repairing the torn areas on both front corners so I guess I’ll be getting a new headliner. Hard to imagine it not happening again without a fix.
@@naveenthemachine the NX is based on RAV4, you should have test driven the v6 ES. Nonetheless the Lexus will be superior in terms of quality and finish to your Camry.
I owned an IS350 and also owned a TRD Camry, not at the same time of course. I actually preferred the Camry TRD over the IS350. The big "L" did nothing for me, except got me comments from friends and co-workers, suggesting I had become "Uppity". I didn't like the impression I was giving people with the "L" over the "T".
Just reserved my XSE in Wind Chill Pearl and Black all leather interior EEEEE!!! SO EXCITED! Thanks for the content as usual, Kirk! - edit, saw one IRL yesterday and even the dash materials are real leather
@@mikej238 LOL XSEs have real leather- check out the spec sheet or see one in person, it's soooo good! The red would not look this good if it was softex
Test drove a brand new Camry XLE and then test drove a Lexus 2021 ES 300h... Decided on the used Lexus ES 300h with 32k miles and bought it 35k out the door. The comfort, quiet ride, smoothness and refinement is not even close. Camry just felt too cramped especially in the back seat.
I was leaning towards buying the luxury es, but i can’t justify that price seeing the new camry. so i think im going with a new 2025 lexus rx when it gets released
I have a loaded 2022 Camry XSE 4-cylinder. The ride is very firm (even harsh) especially for rear seat passengers. Did they improve the ride quality? Perhaps the XLE model would be better for me?
I want this as a wagon in an AWD LE trim, since the Signia has 4th generation hybrid mechanicals and is priced too high IMO. If Subaru can sell 200k Outbacks per year, Toyota can sell plenty of Camry wagons if they would market it properly and make it look right.
The Camry being this good actually is great news for Lexus sedan aficionados. Imagine an ES with the great underpinnings of this current gen Camry, plus even better refinement and handling AND with 400hp and eAWD. Now THAT would be a worthy spiritual successor to the legendary Lexus GS.
They walk instead of jump Left foot right foot We are all for the better that Toyota is so good now. Tasteful design, excellent quality. But those are not thin panel gap, they are consistent and normal size
Remote connect and cloud based navigation is paired together for $15 per month, not a yearly subscription, which is anywhere from 15-25 less than the competition because all new gen Toyota systems get a 10 year free trial of safety connect which is roadside, stolen vehicle and emergency assistance.
I have a paid off Camry Hybrid and it runs so cheap that it’s hard to get rid of. It costs me $250 per month to drive 27 miles to work. ($250 in Gas and Insurance). It’s also reliable. I like to say it runs “Standard Issue” because you get in and drive without thinking about gas prices. When you get into a military vehicle, you don’t think about how much it costs to run. You just get in, drive and worry about other things.
You are right my friend. KIRK is has gone a bit mad . I really think he is saying these things to create drama in this comment section . otherwise come on
Lexus ist das Luxus Auto für höchste Ansprüche. Der Toyota ist eine sehr gute Alternative. Beide fahren Jahrelang ohne den Besitzer im Stich zu lassen. Toyota/Lexus sind Autos die man empfehlen kann.
@@KirkKreifelsdo you expect the same with the Camry if well taken care of how long would you estimate it to last with regular and all scheduled maintenance? 300-500k possible?
Drove both. The premium for the Lexus was not worth the few differences between the two. The Camry rode very well, very quiet inside. The audio system's sound quality depends on the types of files you are playing. Sirius vs. high-quality MP3, there is a detectable difference. Also, the MPG is pretty good.
This looks like a great car, but as I'm getting older I need seats a little more comfortable & have more soft cushion than the Camry. I currently have an older Camry and paid to give my driver's seat more cushion, and what a difference! In a few years, I will be looking at the Crown, which does have more comfortable seats. It is also quieter than the Camry, sits higher like an SUV & has AWD. I'm sure it's not Lexus quality, but it does cost less for a very nice sedan.
Damn, I live in Los Angeles. I went through a roller coaster just now with the traffic jam assist from exhilarated knowing it exists to utter devastation to learn it requires a subscription! 😭
@@2004cyrus I agree I hate how folks be in the comments I will pick a 2008 car over a newer car lol. The safety features alone in the newer car might even save ya ass in an accident. May be just say you ain’t got the money to afford a newer car rn so you gonna drive your 2008 Lexus Gs460 lol.
My 25 XLE Camry driver door actually sounds like something is loose in it, and it kinda rattles when i close it, i guess i'll have to bring that up to the dealer. I am concern they mess something else up, because the car is very quiet with no rattles on the road.
I paid 23500 dollars for my 2019 camry se. Non hybrid. It has been really good. It just needed sound deadening in doors and trunk and a pedal commander for the lag off the line. It rips. Too bad they are all hybrids now and too expensive. Having a 420 dollar car payment is golden.
Hello, do you notice much noise from the engine in the cabin when it is charging the battery? I just bought an XSE and did not originally notice this as much on my test drive. However, after a week with the car, I noticed the engine revs louder during charging of the battery, almost like from the exhaust system.
Just test drove XLE dealer looking for $1000 markup. The fabric microfiber on doors is what's giving me hesitation. I guess the engineers dont have kids. Im wondering how hard it would be to keep clean? It's definitely a comfortable car. Bit quieter than my 2020 Hybrid
Don't even need to have kids to see that is a bad idea. I drive around dusty roads and the interior will get caked with light dust when getting out. It's easy to wipe down leather and plastic. It's a pain to dust fabric
Kinda shocked this Camry does not have a digital rear view mirror. I think overall its a good car and rivals the ES. Wish the Prius and a HUD, perhaps the 2025 model? Come on Toyota!
I don’t think one needs it for a sedan that has good rear mirror visibility compared to higher trunk belt line on SUVs. Also I trying using it; kind of annoying to loook at screen in the mirror
I would say the biggest issue with Camry over Lexus is depreciation. I expect a fully loaded Camry to drop like a rock compared to the Lexus ES. At 40's in MSRP it would be hard to justify the Camry. Note, I have never owned a Lexus but have had a 98 Corolla bought new, a 14 camry bought new, and a 17 camry bought in 20 used. I like Toyota but the prices are getting nuts. Lexus is getting up there to, but lexus's generally are more comfortable, reliable, and hold value better. At these prices you are closer than ever to the ES.
@@naveenthemachine I fear that you are correct... I am looking closely at buying a 2025 Lexus NX or RX or a 2025 BMW X3... they all just let me down in one way or another...
I really liked this vehicle until the front right wheel bearing failed at only 4,000 miles. It’s very disappointing that I paid this much for a new 2025 vehicle and then to have this happen. I hope I don’t deal with this for the life of the vehicle. I have to wait 8 weeks before a replacement part will arrive. My 2006 Honda Accord bearings are still going strong.
Me too, but I can't stand that quilted fabric look on the doors and dash... what's up with that. I'll have to see it in person because my first impression of it is barf... But I want memory seats and the 18 in wheels instead of 19 and you won't get either on an XSE.
I know over time quality of build might not be as good as it used to be, but should one go out of their way to try and buy a toyota made in Japan vs here? I know that might be hard now as most if not all Camry and ES are built here now for US market right?
@@franksalazar2628 that’s a deal I would take all day long! Congratulations! I didn’t know the new Camry could reach that level with all of the packages. But $37,000 is a killer deal
I'm still a Honda guy when not in my BMW's, but I'm wondering if all of these used ES owners are getting mid to upper 40's per gallon? It is possible that one doesn't have the refinement of a new or slightly used ES, BUT I'm guessing the delta of smoothness doesn't overcome the gas mileage either if you're buying a commuter/daily driver.
I went to LA to see it before its debut. I was expecting a brand new body, not just a new front and back grille. Disappointed, yes, I was. Both it and the Accord really went into the field of just plain boring. I have a 2020 Accord Hybrid, thought it was just quirky, but against these new cars, it is definitely sexy now.
This is the best review of Camry I’ve seen yet Kirk and comparing it to an ES Lexus is especially timely and appropriate. Makes me wonder how good the next gen ES will be. Thank you for this my friend all the work you do!
Upcoming ES will be fantastic without a question.
8:24 Thank you for putting extra comments on the screen during the video. It’s very helpful for when you forgot something you wanted to say or misspoke.
It’s a pet peeve of mine when the car reviewer gets the information wrong. Which happens quite often. Especially on new car models.
I test drove the 25 camry THEN the 24 ESh. Just bought the ESh. I couldn't fit in the back of the Camry and I thought the build quality felt cheap. I like the backseats fold down but I don't use my sedan as a truck. Sound system was subpar. Interior plastic was loose like it was a power wheels. Ride was zippy but bumpy. My ESh just feels smooth, and I LOVE driving it. The 25 Camry is a Jack of all trades, master of none -- a good car for MOST, perhaps the best value pick of all the sedans, but it isn't a luxury car. Neither is the accord for that matter.
I would probably get the ES hybrid too. Front headroom seems to be extra tight for me in the new Camry as well.
@@seanh2390just lower the seat - I’m 6’5” and bought the 25 Camry for my partner on July 2nd and I have enough head room.
The es has less headroom than the Camry
Ok, fine, but you probably paid a whole lot more for your Lexus. I am approaching 70. I loved the V6 however the times are a'changin and the huge improvement in gas mileage makes more sense on a retirement income. Gasoline prices are only going to get higher over time. I had my super fast car life experiences, now it's time to find a great compromise. I purchased this last week and have waited 3 weeks for delivery. I suspect these vehicles will be in even more demand soon. One last thing: stop generalizing about brand dealerships- I just had a great Lexus-type experience at a Toyota shop. Previous vehicle Genesis G80 5.0 at a Genesis-only dealership. Be careful about broad assumptions.
@@peterschleh9382 that's why i bought the ESh I avg 45mpg using the hybrid camry drivetrain. Eventually will convert to an e-car just a matter of time and improvement in battery tech.
You can’t compare this to a Lexus ES, just because it’s a sedan with similar engine choices doesn’t mean it’s a Camry. The ES is a longer and bigger car with a much quieter interior and a smoother ride.
You are absolutely correct My friend. KIRK has to be saying this to create drama here otherwise come on.
Don’t forget about the windows that slow down. Best feature in my opinion.
True, the ES was always based on the Avalon platform. As you mentioned, it's a much bigger car to the Camry.
Both Toyota products
@@2004cyrusRRcis Bmw product
I love both the Camry and ES, but there are differences in the build quality, refinement, and sound insulation within the cabin. However, from the consensus I've heard, Toyota did a solid job with the noise reduction (from both wind and road), especially in the XSE trim. No doubt this generation of Camry will lure a lot of people from the economical and luxury sedan market (maybe even some potential SUV buyers as well, given the amount of room and trunk space it has), I'm quite impressed with it (though I'm sad about the V6 and naturally aspirated engines being precluded from future lineups). I have no doubts that this platform will be very reliable, Toyota has perfected the hybrid platform. My expectations for this generation honestly weren't that high, but Toyota really outdid themselves with the amount of effort they put into it.
Es is a proper luxury sedan and Camry is a excellent class leading mid size sedan. Two cars way different. Sadly kirk seems to forget that
Lexus ES and Camry are both built in Kentucky.
@@cychang3475 Soon to change as the next gen ES coming out soon is going back to Japan production
I think used ES300h with 10k-20k miles in the low to mid $30k range is still a better buy
True
At that 30k range just buy a regular SE Camry hybrid then
@@double__de7387 we have a Lexus ES, European spec. Magnificent car, regarding build quality, materials, sound insulation etc etc, far, far, far better than a Camry. You cann't compare the two.
@@double__de7387 ES is just a better car overall. I’ve seen a few new camrys and they look exactly like the old one. I couldn’t spend 30k+ on camry
@@user-FTRU6GJI worked for Toyota and Lexus for over 10 years I get what you're saying but on average you pay 10K more materials as in terms of making the seats better, better interior and the softer ride I agree. But the average person to pay 10k for the same vehicle it's too much. If you're buying the gas es with the V6 hands down hybrid you've lost before you start.
Can't wait to see what Lexus does with the all new ES model 2026.
I think that is the issue with this comparison. It appears to be based off the current generation ES. This would have been better served if he waited until the next gen ES was out.
Now ES will be much more expensive....
@@bahrahme Indeed.
Maybe they’ll do an ES Prime before a Camry prime
Prices will go up, up and away.
Baby did not wake up when you closed the hood. Sound insulation is good
he's talking loud so it doesn't matter lol
I’ve been watching since you worked at Lexus! Sometimes I miss all of the Lexus reviews lol
I own a 21 Camry SXE V6. 48,000 miles and not a glitch. I don't know about the new Camry but my brother just traded his 23 Charger Scat Pack wide body for a Lexus IS500. There is no comparison. The charger is quicker off the line but the Lexus 5.0 screams. The build quality is impeccable.
@@naveenthemachineHere's some good advice. Hemi Mopars are awesome but if you want to buy one absolutely stay away from a 22-23 and you will avoid some very high stress levels.
Lol 40k plus isn't much to worry about. My 2017 camry xle has 210,000 miles and it runs flawlessly. Looks mint inside and smooth as silk at idle. Your in great shape for not spending much cash on repairs enjoy
@@naveenthemachine Thanks to Stellantis's cost cutting. Nope. It's all out there for everyone to see. I love Mopar. I own an 18 Challenger Hellcat with no problems but only 14,000 miles. My brother's Charger Scat Pack had a horrible dash rattle that never got fixed, an oil pan leak, two infotainment glitches and an upper control arm replacement. Stellantis cost cutting ruined these cars. The IS500 is way better for build quality.
@@naveenthemachineare you really comparing a decade old platform to something more modern? Seriously?
I own a 500 i’d say it’s a lot quicker from a roll idk if it’s faster than a Charger but definitely feels different than getting it off the line. I think performance-wise, it’s a 392 competitor anyway.
I love how so many people here are bashing on Kirk as if they have ANY comparable experience… (just because you drove 1 Camry and an ES ONCE doesn’t mean you’re an expert lol) I think this is a very useful and valid video and it makes me glad to see that the Camry is such a solid choice rn. I can’t wait to see what the 26 ES has in store (maybe a slightly more powerful 5th gen hybrid system?)
I test drove both and let be say this, Camry is not Lexus. ES300H felt a lot better I terms of luxury, seat comfort, quietness, and overall level of refinement. In fact, the first thing I noticed was hard were the seats in the Camry. Honestly, for $42K I’d get a slightly used Lexus ES300h
You didn't drive the 2025 Camry LE. That is the Camry model that smothers the bumps and has ES level of road and tire noise. For only 30K instead of 44K
@@4afwhen buying a Toyota or Lexus, I recommend only buying the top trim level if you’re going to keep it for a long time. I think you’ll get more enjoyment out of it and it’s less of a reason to get rid of it.
Yes it is, its BETTER
Seats are nice, feels very nice and who wants fluffy seats not me, It is Perfect!
Appreciate the objective, honest review. The car should be a sales hit since it offers a Lexus-like driving experience, proven reliability from the carried over hybrid powertrain and an affordable price.
The standard hybrid powertrain is a welcome addition to the Camry - the base 2.5L gas just feels a little rough and Toyota does hybrids so well it makes no sense not to go with the hybrid. Granted the ES would likely be even more refined to make up the price tag difference, but the Camry is the value king.
at over 40k, its really not a value.
@@floggyWM1that’s inflation. It’s still a value especially after it’s paid off. My 2020 runs vary cheap. It only costs me $250 per month in gas and insurance. Makes it vary hard to get rid of and it doesn’t make sense to get rid of it.
Why nobody never mention an important difference between standard and premium brands: quality of the carpet. Premiums has thick high quality carpet even on trunk, meanwhile standard brands has cheap low quality lining... and for me this makes all the difference!
Some of us in winter climates would rather not think about the carpet and just immediately add the all weather mats, but good point
This is a great video thank you sir! I am getting my 2025 Camry LE w/ convenience package very soon I can't wait!! Best part is I got for 29k OTD!
Right on! Great pick!
I bought a new Camry on July 2nd and I’m extremely pleased and happy with it.
Thank you for this video! Yes, I have an LE 25 and is missing the energy flow monitor as you mentioned. Odd thing is that the owners manual says (p114) that you can see the energy Flow monitor on the multimedia screen not only on the digital cluster gauges. I think they didn't include at the very last minute. Hopefully, Toyota will update this.
Kirk, In select markets where it is available, I hear the Camry LE AWD is the one to get. The 2024 Camry may be the best one since the days of the double rear wiper Camry wagon 😉😉
Picked mine up last week.
@@Marcus-id5ur 👍
I rented an a Camry Hybrid LE and I loved it…. I didn’t think I would like it… The cloth seats were awesome, the car drove through the Angeles National Forest in Sport mode and it was a dream…. I made up my mind that it’s what I wanted.
Sharp looking sedan. This makes the Altima look really cheap in comparison.
I actually feel the Altima SR Premium AWD offers better value.
i drove toyota and lexus but lexus is on another level guys
Agree
Agreed
Another level how
@@maruf7956the Camry helps you save money while the Lexus helps you spend some of that money
Nope
In terms of features, yes, the new Camry has just as much as the Lexus. But if you care about the badge and ultimate comfort and prestige feeling, then it’s always going to be Lexus. My 10-year-old ES 350 still feels soft, smooth and butter, compared to a Camry around the same age.
Es is a proper luxury sedan and miles better than any Camry from all levels. There is a New gen es coming anyway
@@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl yes I believe that’s what Iwas implying. ES is far more luxurious
@@zmir813 👍
42k for a camry? This is crazy.
It's essentially fully loaded or close to it at that point. (Barring any TRD or any potential GR Camry model)
Yeah, pricy. Time for me to get into the trades and make more money.
Paid 35.4 otd for mine xse premium
It is. We got one in 2018, SE with moonroof for a little over $23k out the door
I bought my Camry LE brand new in 2021 for $23K OTD. Same base LE now starts at $29K + taxes and fees, and that’s without the dealer markups...
I rode for 40 minutes in a brand new Grand Highlander yesterday on mostly freeway and although it was a nice ride with a nice captain seat and leg room the NVH and bounciness of the suspension was off putting. I normally drive a 2019 Altima and people forget what makes Sedans good, it is their ride quality. They just float over road imperfections where something like an SUV is going to be taught and bouncy comparably.
They are completely different tbh and the ES win all day everyday .
What’s completely different?
Take the 24’ Camry v6 and the Lexus. Both fwd. both v6. Around the same size. Nothing completely different.
The quality in the materials are much different , and if you look underneath both cars you will see differences in materials . The Camry v6 is a excellent car it’s just not the same as the ES , your argument would me more valid let’s say if the Toyota kept the Avalon which the ES is based off of
I’m sticking with Lexus
@@rileypart1 agreed!!
I would love to get the ES300H but I put on tons of milage on my daily driver. I will lose out on maintenance. Carmy cheap to maintain.
give me a dollar every time you say "lexus" in this video
this should be a drinking game
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Those rims look good as hell!!
Toyota has moved up-market. Reliability has pushed their brand higher. They are separating themselves from Kia, Hyundai, and Honda. It is an interesting move as Lexus will also have to improve to keep selling in the premium category.
Tell that to new Tunda owners who’s engines are exploding
@@kermit1 it’s about time to let it go nothing with a manufacturer stays forever they’ve had problems in the past as has every auto manufacture and they will get it fixed don’t be so obsessed lol
No better than Honda, just a higher price.
@@brocklanders6969 break down here your assertion please
I agree , much rather a Toyota vs a Kia or Hyundai. Can’t beat Toyota/Lexus quality.
Although I do love the Accord as well.
I plan on getting the 2025 Camry LE FWD. Just test drove one last weekend and was very impressed.
It's nice that Toyota is sharing so much Lexus refinement with the Camry. That will only help keep it head and shoulders above the competition. But a Lexus person is never going to be happy with a Camry. It's just not even in the same league. I "personally" have no need to be in that league and would much prefer the Camry. Just the fact that the rear seat doesn't fold down in the ES prevents me from even being remotely interested in one. A Lexus person would just bring the GX 460 if they need the rear seat to fold down. I don't have options like that at my fingertips. In fact, if Toyota would introduce the Camry in a proper wagon form like the ones they used to sell in the 80's & 90's, I would MUCH prefer the Camry over the Lexus ESh. Especially if they made it available in the base LE trim and it could be purchased for say $3k more than the base sedan. I'd be all over it. But as they say, "different strokes for different folks."
I like the 2025 Camry XSE, but, I absolutely hate the full glass roof! Here is my problem with that. There is a $1300 up charge for the full glass roof, which is fine if that's what you want. However, I want the XSE, but I DO NOT WANT THAT GLASS ROOF!!! Try to find a 2025 Camry XSE without a full-glass roof. You can't find one, so you are forced into paying $1300 for something you hate and would never want. I have also heard the full glass roofs on the 2025 Camrys have issues with breakage. Yes, they will self-destruct on their own. At least, that is what I've heard on YOU-tube videos and one local Toyota dealership from a friend that is a Toyota sales-person. Yes, I know there are plenty S.E. models with solid metal roofs, but I want an XSE with a solid roof. Thanks. If anyone knows or has found any 2025 XSE Camrys WITHOUT a glass-roof or sunroof, please reply. Wake up Toyota!
I just drove 2 without it and want it lol they’re out there for sure 👍
Camelback Toyota in Arizona has one right now
Same! I don’t want the moon roof.
I prefer a prop rod it’s not cost cutting. It’s actually reliable and you won’t have to replace it or worry about it slamming on your head
Love your videos, keep it up Kirk
I ordered my 2025 Camry XSE and picked it up in July. It is pretty much loaded except i didn't get the 360 back up camera. Love the HUD though. The heavy metal is the color to get, the better wheels match it perfectly. It was a major upgrade from my Chrysler 200S ! About the same zip in sport mode and more than double the gas milage. Also much quieter with the insulated glass. It has all wheel drive also. Hopefully will not have the problems my 200 had, we will see!
As always great content, thanks for sharing!
I looked it up on the Toyota website and it says for a 2025 Toyota Camry Hybrid the drive connect subscription fee is $15/month.
Looking at getting a Camry. Really loved your review.
Still driving my 2002 Camry. Yes, I've had a few big repairs (transm, stuts, master window controller, fuel injectors) but I still get 30mpg, still great visibility, still starts everytime, still fairly quiet and comfortable. Cost $16k and have had 17 yrs without car payments. Will drive it until it becomes unreliable. Likely have another 100k miles till then which will be about 10 more years. As much as I'd like a new car with modern features, at today's prices, I will happily keep this car.
Camry is great car but service experience, craftsmanship and warranty are better by far at the big L vs yota. My toyota dealership experience every time i go to the various ones in dc area is a pure letdown every time. Get what you pay for still holds up
Service your Toyota at Lexus it costs the same
@KirkKreifels our lex dealers cost more from my experience. But the level of people skills and attitudes are far better. It's just 2 diff worlds as far as ownership goes.
@@KirkKreifels uhhh no they don’t cost the same lol , they use the same parts but Lexus definitely charges more for service I work in service I know this this for a fact
When it comes to the sedans Lexus is behind on the tech side but the styling on those Lexus sedans is so beautiful.
Love the review has an infant car seat 🫡
42k budget car? I think I’ll stick with my old car because this is crazy.
Nah, will stick with my 2020 es....6 cylinder bullet proof engine, better interior, quieter , better suspension and plusher ride. Toyota execs are not dumb, they would never allow the Camry to be that similar to their Lexus es 350 product. Manufacturers are very aware of keeping higher end vehicles from.being cannibalized by their mid tier products.
KIRK sometimes really say some funny stuff
I'm not a fan of their interface with the infotainment, the mouse thing. But you've already gotten used to it I'm sure
@hoderharris dude, you're correct. don't fall for the nonsensical ES comparison with Camry
I think Lane keep and adaptive Cruze work together to mimic traffic jam. For the most part anyway.
Doesn’t AWD only add 7HP and only kick in when wheel spin is detected at the front wheels?
Yes
when you say it drives the same as es in terms of quiet and smooth, are you talking base es, or ultra luxury es? thanks for the content.
Mark Levinson stereo with special low noise wheels? The Camry can't match that.
The shocks are different on the Lexus.
That blue is nice on the car.
So I bought this 2025 Camry on July 2nd. I have opened the panoramic roof 4x and today I decided to look into the mechanics of the roof when opened, while I was detailing the car after it rained. I was shocked to find that the fabric which is exposed because it’s the headliner that comes up and wraps below the sunshade- anyways the fabric is drastically torn and ripped and coming apart - so I took photos and I’m taking the Camry to service department tomorrow. I can’t imagine them repairing the torn areas on both front corners so I guess I’ll be getting a new headliner. Hard to imagine it not happening again without a fix.
Once you drive a Lexus you won't want to go to back to Toyota :D
@@naveenthemachine the NX is based on RAV4, you should have test driven the v6 ES. Nonetheless the Lexus will be superior in terms of quality and finish to your Camry.
2024 ES350 V6 has a clunky transmission.
@@papayaman123 Not if you compare some modern Lexuses to an XV10 gen 3 camry
The suspension on the Lexus ES is far better than any Camry. Also leather everywhere you touch, Really have no clue what buddy is getting at lol
I owned an IS350 and also owned a TRD Camry, not at the same time of course. I actually preferred the Camry TRD over the IS350. The big "L" did nothing for me, except got me comments from friends and co-workers, suggesting I had become "Uppity". I didn't like the impression I was giving people with the "L" over the "T".
I bought one, XSE Premium plus package pear white $41,800 Truly a amazing Ride
Just reserved my XSE in Wind Chill Pearl and Black all leather interior EEEEE!!! SO EXCITED! Thanks for the content as usual, Kirk! - edit, saw one IRL yesterday and even the dash materials are real leather
boooooooring black interior
@@mikej238 haha its all leather and no one likes red irl its just for going to Costco lol
@@DRBG444 fake leather
@@mikej238 go check one out 🤣
@@mikej238 LOL XSEs have real leather- check out the spec sheet or see one in person, it's soooo good! The red would not look this good if it was softex
Test drove a brand new Camry XLE and then test drove a Lexus 2021 ES 300h... Decided on the used Lexus ES 300h with 32k miles and bought it 35k out the door. The comfort, quiet ride, smoothness and refinement is not even close. Camry just felt too cramped especially in the back seat.
I was leaning towards buying the luxury es, but i can’t justify that price seeing the new camry. so i think im going with a new 2025 lexus rx when it gets released
I have a loaded 2022 Camry XSE 4-cylinder. The ride is very firm (even harsh) especially for rear seat passengers. Did they improve the ride quality? Perhaps the XLE model would be better for me?
I have a 2025 XLE and the ride is very smooth. Can't speak to the XSE or SE as they have sport tuned suspension which could be different
I want this as a wagon in an AWD LE trim, since the Signia has 4th generation hybrid mechanicals and is priced too high IMO. If Subaru can sell 200k Outbacks per year, Toyota can sell plenty of Camry wagons if they would market it properly and make it look right.
very informative 💙
Time for a major redesign for the Highlander
The Camry is so beautiful and efficient!!!
The Camry being this good actually is great news for Lexus sedan aficionados. Imagine an ES with the great underpinnings of this current gen Camry, plus even better refinement and handling AND with 400hp and eAWD. Now THAT would be a worthy spiritual successor to the legendary Lexus GS.
They walk instead of jump
Left foot right foot
We are all for the better that Toyota is so good now. Tasteful design, excellent quality.
But those are not thin panel gap, they are consistent and normal size
Remote connect and cloud based navigation is paired together for $15 per month, not a yearly subscription, which is anywhere from 15-25 less than the competition because all new gen Toyota systems get a 10 year free trial of safety connect which is roadside, stolen vehicle and emergency assistance.
Camry is outstanding
I have a paid off Camry Hybrid and it runs so cheap that it’s hard to get rid of. It costs me $250 per month to drive 27 miles to work. ($250 in Gas and Insurance). It’s also reliable. I like to say it runs “Standard Issue” because you get in and drive without thinking about gas prices. When you get into a military vehicle, you don’t think about how much it costs to run. You just get in, drive and worry about other things.
Kirk and his hyper obsession with the ES and Camry comparison. I don't get it, but at this point, enough said. Folks, do your own research
You are right my friend. KIRK is has gone a bit mad . I really think he is saying these things to create drama in this comment section . otherwise come on
Lexus ist das Luxus Auto
für höchste Ansprüche.
Der Toyota ist eine sehr
gute Alternative.
Beide fahren Jahrelang
ohne den Besitzer im
Stich zu lassen.
Toyota/Lexus sind Autos
die man empfehlen kann.
Try getting the 2025 LE or SE at MSRP!
You can where I live
Both XSE and XLE have real leather seats. Only the SE has softex
My question is which vehicle will last the longest? How will the vehicle be holding up in 20 years/300k miles?
Not even new ES will hold up like the third Gen for 30+ years
@@KirkKreifelsdo you expect the same with the Camry if well taken care of how long would you estimate it to last with regular and all scheduled maintenance? 300-500k possible?
Drove both. The premium for the Lexus was not worth the few differences between the two. The Camry rode very well, very quiet inside. The audio system's sound quality depends on the types of files you are playing. Sirius vs. high-quality MP3, there is a detectable difference. Also, the MPG is pretty good.
This looks like a great car, but as I'm getting older I need seats a little more comfortable & have more soft cushion than the Camry. I currently have an older Camry and paid to give my driver's seat more cushion, and what a difference! In a few years, I will be looking at the Crown, which does have more comfortable seats. It is also quieter than the Camry, sits higher like an SUV & has AWD. I'm sure it's not Lexus quality, but it does cost less for a very nice sedan.
The es350 is still much better
Agree. KIRK is losing his mind
Damn, I live in Los Angeles. I went through a roller coaster just now with the traffic jam assist from exhilarated knowing it exists to utter devastation to learn it requires a subscription! 😭
Doesn't come close to Lexus quality, but comes very close to Lexus price!
I havent seen the 2025 Camry in person, but I can honestly tell you that the 2025 Camry is not better than my 2008 Lexus GS460....
lol a 2008 car 😂😂😂😂😂. I will pass.
@@MrGeezilme too and I bought this new Camry on July 2nd
@@2004cyrus I agree I hate how folks be in the comments I will pick a 2008 car over a newer car lol. The safety features alone in the newer car might even save ya ass in an accident. May be just say you ain’t got the money to afford a newer car rn so you gonna drive your 2008 Lexus Gs460 lol.
@@MrGeezil where is the lie? lol 😂
How good is the ES going to be?
Really good
My 25 XLE Camry driver door actually sounds like something is loose in it, and it kinda rattles when i close it, i guess i'll have to bring that up to the dealer. I am concern they mess something else up, because the car is very quiet with no rattles on the road.
I paid 23500 dollars for my 2019 camry se. Non hybrid. It has been really good. It just needed sound deadening in doors and trunk and a pedal commander for the lag off the line. It rips. Too bad they are all hybrids now and too expensive. Having a 420 dollar car payment is golden.
For a daily driver, this new Camry is it and more.
My other car is an expensive toy lol.
Hello, do you notice much noise from the engine in the cabin when it is charging the battery? I just bought an XSE and did not originally notice this as much on my test drive. However, after a week with the car, I noticed the engine revs louder during charging of the battery, almost like from the exhaust system.
Just test drove XLE dealer looking for $1000 markup. The fabric microfiber on doors is what's giving me hesitation. I guess the engineers dont have kids. Im wondering how hard it would be to keep clean? It's definitely a comfortable car. Bit quieter than my 2020 Hybrid
Don't even need to have kids to see that is a bad idea. I drive around dusty roads and the interior will get caked with light dust when getting out. It's easy to wipe down leather and plastic. It's a pain to dust fabric
2020 Camry 4 years ago was quieter too
Mine came with a tube of stain guard in the glove box
@@ironrain1x the microfiber trim is just about a deal breaker for me. Doesn't make a bit of sense, super bad idea.
@jgriffin411 it makes sense man, it's supposed to make you regret your decision of not getting a Lexus everytime you drive a camry....
Kinda shocked this Camry does not have a digital rear view mirror. I think overall its a good car and rivals the ES. Wish the Prius and a HUD, perhaps the 2025 model? Come on Toyota!
I don’t think one needs it for a sedan that has good rear mirror visibility compared to higher trunk belt line on SUVs. Also I trying using it; kind of annoying to loook at screen in the mirror
Last thing I want is a digital mirror. Unnecessary cost and complication.
Waste of money, have it on my Rav 4 Ltd, haven't used it in 14 months since I got it
I would say the biggest issue with Camry over Lexus is depreciation. I expect a fully loaded Camry to drop like a rock compared to the Lexus ES. At 40's in MSRP it would be hard to justify the Camry. Note, I have never owned a Lexus but have had a 98 Corolla bought new, a 14 camry bought new, and a 17 camry bought in 20 used. I like Toyota but the prices are getting nuts. Lexus is getting up there to, but lexus's generally are more comfortable, reliable, and hold value better. At these prices you are closer than ever to the ES.
I need a ciggie after all the rush and excitement. I can't get that excited about it, and the front end? I like the quiet it may have.
I am hoping that Lexus steps up quality... BMW is going cheap plasticky... I hope to see a new model of the Lexus NX with premium quality in 2026
@@naveenthemachine I fear that you are correct... I am looking closely at buying a 2025 Lexus NX or RX or a 2025 BMW X3... they all just let me down in one way or another...
I really liked this vehicle until the front right wheel bearing failed at only 4,000 miles. It’s very disappointing that I paid this much for a new 2025 vehicle and then to have this happen. I hope I don’t deal with this for the life of the vehicle. I have to wait 8 weeks before a replacement part will arrive. My 2006 Honda Accord bearings are still going strong.
Does toyota camry 2025 xle in basic standard trim comes with regular sunroof or no sunroof at all
I think the XLE looks the best.
Me too, but I can't stand that quilted fabric look on the doors and dash... what's up with that. I'll have to see it in person because my first impression of it is barf... But I want memory seats and the 18 in wheels instead of 19 and you won't get either on an XSE.
I bought an XLE on July 2nd. I love it
@NoNameFish247 that's the only thing I don't like about it. Should to just went with leather 🤔 smh
I have to say, after wattching this., this is my favorite color over Ocean Gem.
Kirk, I am shopping the NX and the Camry....If configured with congruent price points....which one?
I know over time quality of build might not be as good as it used to be, but should one go out of their way to try and buy a toyota made in Japan vs here?
I know that might be hard now as most if not all Camry and ES are built here now for US market right?
Lexus all day… test drove both vehicles bought the Lexus es.. and I got 7 k off msrp while Toyota did not match the offer
Good deal
Toyota doesn’t have $7000.00 markup to play with like Lexus does.
@@2004cyrus well my car msrp was 45 with a bunch of options and it came out to 37k.. I say that’s a pretty good deal..
@@franksalazar2628 that’s a deal I would take all day long! Congratulations! I didn’t know the new Camry could reach that level with all of the packages. But $37,000 is a killer deal
@2004cyrus u buy brand new lexus es for 37000$ ?
I'm still a Honda guy when not in my BMW's, but I'm wondering if all of these used ES owners are getting mid to upper 40's per gallon? It is possible that one doesn't have the refinement of a new or slightly used ES, BUT I'm guessing the delta of smoothness doesn't overcome the gas mileage either if you're buying a commuter/daily driver.
I went to LA to see it before its debut. I was expecting a brand new body, not just a new front and back grille. Disappointed, yes, I was. Both it and the Accord really went into the field of just plain boring. I have a 2020 Accord Hybrid, thought it was just quirky, but against these new cars, it is definitely sexy now.
It'll sell like hot cakes.
I bought one July 2nd
Thanks great review...would you rather have a 2024 CX5 signature or this camry? Gas milage isn't a dealbreaker.
I have both! CX-5 is great just worse gas mileage 😊
Just as gud as Lexus? Idk bout the IS, but the ES? Nah. The ultra lux trim ride is something u cant elaborate thru words. Gotta experience it
A hatchback version will make this Camry so perfect, I don’t like the mid 30’s mpg of the new Signia despite its hybrid powertrain