Agreed. If you want a shooter more feel to the game, full-auto is the way. Semi-Auto is more practical due to the wide range of non fully-auto and high damage.
Why does the concept of a select fire switch not exist in Fallout anymore? Fallout 1 and 2 gave automatic weapons a semi-auto function and a burst function. Apparently, in the long years between games, both in universe and reality, such esoteric technology was forgotten. Useless Gun Runners.
It's a conspiracy to have you buy multiple weapons from the vendors and to waste valuable inventory space so you have to sell them more merchandise they can resell at a higher price.
But...I don't but my guns from vendors. Or sell them. I pick them off -the corpses of my victims- the bodies of Wastelanders that totally attacked me first. Then i scrap the ones I don't keep for aluminum and screws.
I think the only mercs I've seen around Boston are the various guards who never leave their posts to go exploring, and the the people following the merchant caravans around. That and the Gunners, who would sooner rob the merchants than buy from them. Honestly, i think I'm one of the few people in the wastes without a steady job. Everybody else is a merchant, a guard, a farmer, some kind of medicine man, or a professional murderer.
GHOSTLEAD wrong game we're not in fallout 1 or 2 but I think it would've been cool if bethesda added an option to use burst fire for rifles ( hitman is working on it for the assault carabine )
With wounding effect, its still 150+ rounds to take out deathclaws and behemoths at 117. And thats if the deathclaw doesnt side step every other step causing you to miss.
Or you can do the infinite caps glitch which is basically you buy all the ammo someone has then give it back -1 and then a couple of of things you need to do and you should be able to buy everything without losing a single cap and as far as I'm concerned this glitch hasn't been fixed so it's not going to cost you a lot and it worked on survival last I checked
Conventionally you're correct. However, F4 has made it so the bolt action 50 cal and 308 rifle doesn't even compare to a semi auto 7.62 or .45-70, heck even a semi auto plasma rifle or laser rifle has a longer range and hits harder.
With the exception of 45-70 and 7.62, I have rarely ever bought ammo. I find plenty of ammo for my guns. In survival I generally have to leave ammo behind at a settlement because I have so much. I do agree about automatic weapons being sub-optimal in survival mode because of the amount you need to carry and how difficult it is to always go back for resupply of ammo.
Sleepy .Time The scrounger perk will fix that. By the time I start to use the assault rifle I have a few thousand rounds stockpiled. But mods can easily fix the issue.
@Madman - If you ever want to give it a try i highly recommend Fallout 4 Loot Overhaul as it is a huge improvement in my opinion. www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1486/?
Another advantage for semi-auto rifles: Sniper perk rank 2 Every semi-auto rifle with a scope attached to it (which includes the combat shotgun!!!) has a 30 percent chance to knock an enemy down when you hit them while aiming down sights. Very useful for crowd control, and if you're using the combat shotgun you should consider that this chance counts per projectile, not per shot. ;)
The constant knock of a shotgun shot would make it really usefull but with the scope you are basically making it weaker in its strongest point, close combat
@@TheFirstCurse1 You don't have to actually use the scope. You just have to have it on the gun. ADSing with a shotgun is pointless anyways, so why not bully tanky enemies into a permanent stunlock?
on survival i'm currently using gauss rifle, mighty 10mm pistol and plasma rifle all top spec for semi auto. silenced 10mm for sneaking indoors, gauss for outside sniping and plasma for when i'm running and gunning outside. working really well for me
and i have cait as a companion who it using either a full auto assault rifle with the stagger legendary effect or a freezing full auto radium rifle. she has both because she burns through ammo but damn can she f**k up most things!
Explosive is absolutely devastating with automatic weapons and fully-upgraded perks. Also, I got a wounding minigun on one of my characters. Nothing lasts long against that, not even Nuka World bosses.
your whole gunslinger stuff is kinda bs as gunslinger only requires one agility so everyone can get that perk and for commando you can just get the agility bobblehead or use the special book! You can also get a good situational weapon variety using rifleman with something like a shotgun with light weight mods for ghouls in vats and a heavy, hard hitting and accurate rifle, like the combat rifle, for mid to long range engagements and a dedicated sniper (preferably the Gauss Rifle) with a scope for long range only and maybe get a supressor for it and then get sneak attacks. Long story short: Semi = more bang for your buck and weight. Better against armour. Better at range. Auto = Better DPS but a lot of damage is wasted against the opponents armour. But automatic weapons are more fun to use at close range but sniping is also very nice!
my thoughts exactly, rifleman as a perk is better and variety you get from short range shotguns to long range sniping is awesome...ammo efficiency is just a cherry on top
Uhm... I just don't get why you keep talking about the rifleman perk as if it locks you into your weapon type. ANYONE can get Gunslinger as it only takes an Agility of 1 and I tend to play a stealthy Gunslinger - Sniper cross that very much uses both Rifleman and Gunslinger perks in it's build. For the efficiency reasons, I never use commando.
You don't need high charisma for ammo. 2 luck (all I usually get), it's first 2 perks, and the better merchant prices from the Charisma 1 perk can get you all the ammo you ever need. There is also the possibility of actually building a factory, if you have the right DLC. I tend to have a LOT more Charisma than 1, the way I play it, as Charm is what complements the combat abilities of my sniper-gunslinger build, but I don't really need it for ammo.
I recommend either an automatic combat shotgun, or an advanced combat shotgun if you want to press the button yourself. With a drum mag, these things are awesome and you're bound to hit something with the huge ammo capacity.
You should do a video about what happened to Rivit city. It's hinted that the Brotherhood of steel may have stolen the city Nukclear reacter for the air ship.
My kiloton radium rifle (powerful automatic) glitched and got 300 fire rate. The glitch didn't last forever but it was one of the best moments I had in the game.
Yunpei Yang I had a glitch with melee weapons. It was showing damage for the Shishkabob at over 600. I don't know what it was actually doing, but I pretty much one shot everything I encountered. Unfortunately it went back to normal the next time I played.
Semi auto is superior and it isn't an opinion. Semi auto is universally applicable and only hindered by ones own individual trigger finger, accuracy and the guns individual ranges and accuracy. Oozing costs more and is really mostly applicable at close to mid range. Though it is possible to mitigate that a bit with burst fire.
You make some excellent points in this video. You forgot one thing, though. In close quarters, automatic weapons make a great “oh shit” weapon if you don’t have access to a good shotgun or melee weapon.
I love full-auto weapons in Fallout 4. The 18-A plasma gun is extremely fun to use automatically. The problem for me is that auto weapons use up my ammo too fast. Therefore I usually use semi-auto plus, it makes me feel like a true sniper
I think the simplest way to boil this down is to go over what the most arguably powerful, ammo-efficient, cost-efficient, the has the best range:damage per second:reload-time:damage per shot:upgrade/repair costs/requirements ratio, etc. weapon is in each damage category regardless of perks, mods, or skills(I say skills and repair mostly because this could also be applied to Fallout 3 and New Vegas logic). Note: these are just from my in-game experiences so I might be a little biased Best energy weapon in Fallout 3= The Alien Blaster or the Gauss Rifle (both semi-automatic weapons) Best F3 ballistic weapon= Lincoln's Repeater or The Backwater Rifle (again both semi-auto) FNV best energy weapon= YCS/186 or Pew-Pew (again both semi-auto) FNV best ballistic weapon= The Medicine Stick, The Ranger Sequoia, This Machine, or The Survivalist Rifle (I left out the Anti-mat rifle because under the right circumstances the Medicine Stick can deal just as much damage or even more at a lower strength requirement, versatility, and the chances to find and buy ammo at higher levels; also at the same time This Machine and The Survivalist Rifle are about tied but for different reasons, SR for it's damage speed and TM for it's common and cheaper ammo; again all semi weapons) Note: F4 was tougher to decide due to the variety of weapon-mods, legendary effects, and just the sheer amount of weapon combos) F4 best energy weapon= The Hub alien blaster, The Wazer Wifle, or the Aeternus (1/3 is purely semi-auto while 1 can be made automatic) F4 best ballistic weapon= Old Reliable or The Overseer's Guardian (1/2 is purely semi-auto while the other can be modded either way) TL:DR version: Most of the best or most efficient weapons in each Bethesda Fallout game have been purely semi-automatic (on a side note, I think it's stranger that most of them are lever-action rifles) weapons. Fallout 4 weapons were a little tougher to rate just because of how much weapons can be modded and altered to go with certain builds.
One thing that the latest Bethesda games have put a lot of effort into is making the player feel badass. The reason I mentioned that is because I think that's why lever action rifles (and revolvers in the pistol category) are the most damaging guns in the games. If you're using a lever action rifle against enemies with machine guns and laser weapons and you're still kicking their asses it doesn't get much more badass than that.
I prefer semi-auto for myself and automatics for my settlers and companions...the AI just seems to be way more effective with with automatics as opposed to semi-autos.
So, what I tend to do in survival mode for a sneak build is mix rifleman and gunslinger as hand guns are far better suited for close range stealth attacks where rifles are best used at greater ranges. So, I'll typically have the deliverer, the overseers guardian, and a .38 pipe pistol for weaker enemies.
Im literally running around in survival with a 6 crank laser musket as a primary and an automatic plasma rifle for bigger enemies. It’s working rather well for me surprisingly.
I think personally if you have perks like scrounger and that one with better prices at shops (charisma) automatic weapons are really fun to just spray and not really worry about ammo cost.
lil meat sauze only downfall is travelling to nukaworld for us survivalists for the ammo. Ol' reliable is bae as well, 100 rounds goes so far for that thing allowing me to carry 2000 rounds for my problem solver
Automatics can use a wider range of prefixes because of the rpm, and since they shoot multiple bullets in vats so unless your semi does over 3x the damage of your auto then it's more damage efficient in vats so use autos. As far as chaining sneaks, both work but not with snipers. I've managed to hit 4 with the deliverer and most automatic guns. With semis I can hit 2 most of the time but it's not consistent enough to say I can hit 3. It's very reliant on the distance and on the recoil not going in the wrong way. And ofc it's impossible to do with the gauss rifle because you need to charge it. One thing in the video I found odd was the 10mm argument. In the early game you don't need the bonus damage on a pistol to make it work. Also, if you're aiming for late game and end storyline there's the option of using the two shot railway rifle, if that's on automatic you're going to have a lot of ammo available to you.
I hope that if there is a Fallout 4 they make an effort to make firearms more realistic. Other than game balancing, there is no reason that per round damage should go down for full auto. That is just dumb. They should make the per round damage the same, but drastically increase the recoil of full auto weapons. Commando perk would then be used to mitigate recoil. The damage should be the same for both full and semi auto.
Zotman5 If we are making it realistic i'd like to make the reload animations realistic. It's a stupid pet peeve but i wish the reload animations were dependent on if you had a round in the chamber or not. I guess it bothers me because i'm a gun nut in real life :).
Thatd be boring as power armour would literally make you invincible and you'd kill any un-steel-armoured target in a few shots and even if they would wear some combat armour, just a hand full of shots would destroy their armour and then they would bleed "out" on their insides because of the many broken ribs they have.
I prefer semi autos. More damage per bullet which is very useful early when ammo is rare and still useful later, better accuracy, less recoil and usually better range and less missing. Some semi autos like 10mm pistol are still quite fast.
I always run with my automatic Giat Famas. Since i'm specced VATS/Sneak in Very Hard/Survival I don't go full auto very often. But sometimes I do burst and its nice to have. Have played a lot both ways, semi-auto and auto and can use either equally well.
The best part of automatic weapons is that they are fun. Being able to just spray and pray while you run and gun makes for a very fun play through, and for faster gameplay.
@@TheFirstCurse1 well the word rifleman has been around for centuries lmao, idk what's so weird about it? Using woman/man at the end of a word to describe the occupation and gender is a standard occurrence in the English language. You gonna tell me that businessman/woman is weird too?
Since I mostly use what ever ammo type I happen to scavenge around the wasteland. I tend to keep a wide variety of weapons of various types and calibers. I have literally never bought ammo from a vendor ever (unless it is cannon balls for the broadsider but that doesn't drop often). I usually will keep stockpile my ammo and weapons in a trunk at my main base until mission time then pick weapons depending on what ammo types I have the most of. That said I generally use the common ammo types for auto weapons and uncommon and rares for semi-auto. Personally I find Auto works better at close range while semi-auto is best used from a distance. Of course once I get a settlement with an ammo factory set up I just manufacture what ever ammo type I want and supply never becomes an issue ever again.
Ammo is so scarce in the early game I can never bring myself to use an automatic weapon except, briefly and exactly one time because of how much it turned out to suck, the minigun. I did find a kneecapping combat rifle I am thinking of using (in auto mode) just for Deathclaws and the like, slowing them down so I can finish them off with a semiauto weapon.
Like most people said already. Semi Good at all ranges. Autos are fun. Only reason why i would wanna use autos is for role playing though. Other then that, i do not like auto, because of the lack of practicality. Feels like your limited to close range, sometimes mid if your got a slower firing, or recoil manageable gun. Like my current playthrough is roleplay, though its auto, i use melee 90% of the time, cause i need ammo against big baddies and legendarys. And im not enjoying it as much as i thought i would. Playing as Nate, the footsoldier. Not any specialty position within the army. just an average basic soldier, with only basic training and average skills all around, like any specials are max 6 WITH bobbleheads. Anything he might need to know in the Wasteland he'll need to teach himself how to do. Added challenge, Starting S5 P4 E4 C3(4 w/book) I5 A4 L3. One level shy of most perks i want. Must find Bobbleheads to get them. Caveat is once i find the bobblehead i can add points to specials. But only ones that ive found bobbleheads for.
In short, the fist time i decided to move to auto, i was still very soon in game, what i used was a auto pipe rifle, and even though .38 is the easiest ammo to find, i ran out of it in no time, and found my self fully out of ammo exept for some ammo for my pipe revolver wich i had to use for a while, this is why i really prefer to stick with semi auto
The part where full-auto's start to suck is when you start needing a completely different weapon like a revolver or melee weapon so you don't run out of bullets or have to carry four different weapons to spread out your ammo consumption. This turns it into a 'bonus' perk like Heavy weapons or Explosives, rather than a primary weapon option like melee or pistols.
In survival mode or if using a mod that further bumps up damage, things (including the player) can die after a few hits. This makes the decision one of circumstance. Autos can be deadly in cqc because it's easier to pump out rounds faster, but, semis can one shot targets if you're sniping them.
honestly modding saves the day again, one i had some installed that make it so your damage with weapons is broken into pistol, rifle, heavy, and explosive, with few crossover weapons (mainly missiles and fatman). Doesn't matter if a gun is semi or auto, it gains the same benefits. Then add more options for ammo types across each weapon, and you get, for example, the old combat rifle becoming the assault rifle, and having access to 5mm, 5.56, or .308. While your damage is lower on the 5mm, each of those weighs about the same as a .38 in survival, and hit harder with armor piercing effects naturally. (mod also makes it so it does bonus damage to robots, vehicles, and power armor That being said, auto fire is still an inferior option, but it's very easy to level it out. oh, and it's weapons overhaul redux, equipment crafting overhaul, and be exceptional that I'm using to achieve this. Oh, and shotguns count as rifles, and it also allows some weapons to take a shotgun receiver, and survival adds capshot ammo for shotguns that are technically weightless, as they're intended as barter fodder (they'll replace bottlecaps found roughly 50% of the time with fortune finder for example)
I roll around survival mode with automatics and have never once had to buy ammo. 3 ranks in the scrounger perk is more than enough. Even if you do have to buy ammo, just use the extra rounds of other ammo types that you don't use as currency. My main is overseers guardian fully upgraded with the deliverer as a sidearm. Both weapons use extremely common ammo types. You could also get the explosive radium rifle from far harbor. Im doing like 150 damage a bullet or more. It may not be as much as semi auto rifles can get but dps can be crazy. And if for some reason, you're still having trouble with ammo, make some at a settlement. The only time I ever ran out of ammo was using plasma weapons. But have a storage chest for extra ammo at each of your settlements and swap to a more common ammo type when necessary. Trust me, you'll be fine.
The point about pistols seemed good until I realised that whenever I face ghouls I either use a shotgun (which is basically a strong pistol as pistols are fairly short range and semi auto, often) Or the pipe rifle which is of course just the pipe pistol with a different stock. But then again im a fallout noob rocking 4 in each SPECIAL apart from P which is 5 and having great fun with rifleman, demolition, gun nut, armourer , medic and bloody mess :p It would feel like a waste of points to level up the pistol perk
Video idea, for your Fallout 4 videos you haven't made a "Best Legendary Effects for Melee weapons" one recommendation for the list would be The instigating effect. Love your vids keep it up (if you see this)
NorseGraphic I do agree on the Stagger effect but only on the Ripper like the Harvester in the far harbour Dlc but what TheLegend27 said if your a sneak Type character using Sneak and having the ninja Perk makes your Melee hits too 12.5x the amount of damage with that including the The Instigating effect has your damage is crazy
ammo consumption is a nonissue if you have scrounger. just pick which ammo and you will stockpile the ones you don't use. use them and stockpile everything else. on survival, dump the ammo in a settlement if you aren't using it to avoid weight issue. any ammo you don't have you can buy using ammo as money
I used to be in the semi auto camp, but once you go full auto you can never go back. Plasma and Cryo Legendary = favorite with automatics. it's basically 20-25 additional damage per shot and it's energy based so... fewer enemies have ER.
I feel semi is better for vanilla weapons but on the other hand alot of the cool weapon mods like the ak74m are full auto only or have both semi and auto options but you can tell that they were supposed to be used as an automatic.
I tend to play more like a shooter with the commando perk but use vats more when using rifleman. I tend to use gunslinger/commando combo with explosives and the game plays more like a shooter with RPG elements. it's super fun. pick up ammo collector and you will never really have a problem with ammo. plus a good amount of the drugs in the game work better with full automatics I never play on survival mode anymore because I hate to babysit my character every ten minutes.
you make very valid points. For me, I prefer semi for long range and for pistols and full-auto for mid to short range. in my opinion the best full-auto weapon for ammo consumption and possibly for survival mode is the combat shotgun.
Don't forget the two-shot effect for automatic weapons! Disadvantage: Increases recoil. Advantage: The second shot is unmodified by your attachments. Per-shot damage is reduced by automatic receivers, but the second shot is NOT reduced. So while gunslinger and rifleman do not get double damage on a two-shot modified weapon, automatic weapons actually get MORE than double damage.
It's not that the skill increases the damage of the second shot, it's that automatic receivers decrease the damage of the first shot, and since the second is immune to that decrease, you end up with more damage then the stats claim, because the stats assume that both shots are subject to the decrease.
I have been playing survival mode for a few hundred hours now. Automatic weapons are very strong in the early game (below lv 40). Automatic weapons have lower recoil and hence higher effective DPS. If there is a dangerous enemy you want to take down, holding the automatic trigger down is much faster and safer than a non-automatic weapon. Lower recoil power allows me to target the enemy easier and hence kill the enemy faster. Commando perk is Agility 2 perk, you can spend a few points on it at the early stage of the game. I would recommend running automatic weapons with commando perk and a semi-auto weapon in the early game, and gradually shifting to the semi-auto weapons as you have more perks related to sneak perks.
I used pistols on survival until about level 25 or so. By then, I was going up against such high-level enemies that my Advanced Plasma-Infused 10mm just couldn't cut it. While the .44 Pistol does impressive damage, it is much slower to fire than even the 10mm. This means that in close-range engagements where you really need that high dps, you are better off with the 10mm anyway. And in long-range engagements where you rely primarily on Sneak Bonus Damage, the .44 is useless as it cannot be suppressed, so not only will you be noticed much more easily, you don't have access to the additional x.5 from the Sandman Perk. If you have the Far Harbor DLC, go with a fully-upgraded Radium Rifle which has a high rate of fire low recoil and uses .45 ammo. Mine can do 175-ish Ballistic Damage and 100 Radiation Damage. With the Instigator Legendary I do double that on the first shot, which is extremely useful if you use sneak damage to take down most of your foes.
i got ammo scavenger in early levels and by the time i got either the combat rifle or the .50 hunting rifle i had atleast 1000 ammo for them from just looting it in the world.
One disadvantage with semi is the more pronounced recoil, leading to less hits (damage) per second when two hits aren't enough. The "feature" of full auto doing less damage per hit is very unrealistic and "gamey". A realistic approach for auto would be to use damage and recoil from semi and just increase the ammo consumption. The reason for using auto is to increase the probability of scoring any hit with a burst rather than scoring several hits. Also, what automatic weapon in the game can use .50 ammo?
Played for the longest time using only semiauto because losing out on the damage for fullauto just didn't make sense to me. Lately tho, I started using full auto and I love it.
To be honest, I use a mod that pretty much makes automatics deal the same damage per bullet as semi with no range loss either so I tend to just use automatics and just tap them if I need to make longer shots... or pull out my .44 magnum.
Other advantages of Full auto- A. 0 need for VATS or Perception or Luck (lockpicking and ammo find are good low rankers though). B. With a stealth build most things die from 1 - 3 auto rifle shots anyway C. Missing isn't as much an issue in the heat of battle D. yeah you can put points in pistol and conserve some ammo that way E. If your not building settlements, you can sell all that junk you pick up and then there's plenty of caps for bullets. F. something jumps out at you right into your face? Squeeze that trigger! :D
the core problem is that in truth in real ballistics is that the receiver and bolt Will hold a perfect seal so the energy lost will not apply as chemical process of controlled blast from a round will be the same a high percentage of time.
Semi auto for ammo conservation, headshots, and smart play. Fully auto for channeling your inner Heavy and screaming "WAH, WAH, CRY SOME MORE! HAHAHAHA"
Dude, inner Heavy is through naming an Explosive Minigun Sasha and screaming or Aeternus if you have Nuka-World. What automatic is for is making you feel like an operator from R6(at least for me)
I tend to prefer using stealth and sniping, thus semi-auto rifles give you the most bang for your buck - especially in survival mode, where ammo has weight. Gunslinger can work, as you can use a .44 with a scope for sniping, (though it can't be silenced), and the Deliverer makes a great stealth weapon. Still, the Overseer's Guardian makes a great sniper rifle...
i use the automatic 10mm pistol with a large magazine as a uzi, i use a full auto .38 gun with a large magazine, and when i get a gun that uses 5.56 then i make an auto version of that too, its great
Freezing, Plasma Infused and Explosive legendary effects benefit greatly from automatic weapons with low base damage and a high rate of fire. Overdrive and the Freezing effect synergize greatly with one another.
My opinion is the full autos are better for sneaking because you shoot in a 3 round burst, which means you sneak attack 3 times before being spotted. Semi auto is more economical because it saves ammunition. If you’re doing a vats build I could recommend using full auto weapons.
Vynlicpuma, get the Snipers of the Commonwealth mod. It adds over 150 snipers who are on tall buildings, with combat rifles. And there are unique NPC's, whom you might recognize. There are 5 Zer0's, one is the original, who wields a sniper called the Lyuda, a NPC naled Aur, whatever, from the presequal, and a guy near the sanctuary bridge who sells the snipers, and the swords, and "Ghost Armor" which turn you invisible when crouched, but, you can move in it. I like it
Your first point about commando being in the same skill tree with gunslinger doesn't really mean anything imo since you only need 2 perception to get rifleman Also you dont need to worry about ammo price from about level 15 onwards for balistic ammo types and level 25-30 for all other ammo types Build an ammo forge and get all of your caliber based ammo exclusively from there and also build a weapons forge and only build 44 revolvers (or 10mm pistols if you dont have your gun nut perk high enough yet). Now every time you need to buy non ballistic ammo, take all your crafted pistols/revolvers and your least used ammo type from the ammo forge, put on your best CHR apparel and buy all the non ballistic ammo you can afford from vendors in return for your pistols/revolvers and least used ammo type You'll even make a caps profit every time you do this
Semi autos are more practical, full autos are more fun
Tachanka Chanka I feel like semi autos are more satisfying
"One shot, one kill."
(Or multiple kills, if you have that one perk that makes people explode into smuckers jelly)
Liquid Tension2 it conserves ammo and maxes out damage potential but idgaf about that 🤷🏾♂️
Tank 4 especially with god mode
Agreed. If you want a shooter more feel to the game, full-auto is the way. Semi-Auto is more practical due to the wide range of non fully-auto and high damage.
Why does the concept of a select fire switch not exist in Fallout anymore?
Fallout 1 and 2 gave automatic weapons a semi-auto function and a burst function. Apparently, in the long years between games, both in universe and reality, such esoteric technology was forgotten. Useless Gun Runners.
It's a conspiracy to have you buy multiple weapons from the vendors and to waste valuable inventory space so you have to sell them more merchandise they can resell at a higher price.
But...I don't but my guns from vendors. Or sell them. I pick them off -the corpses of my victims- the bodies of Wastelanders that totally attacked me first. Then i scrap the ones I don't keep for aluminum and screws.
Nick Dahl but for every sole survivor there's 100 mercenaries who could sell to them
I think the only mercs I've seen around Boston are the various guards who never leave their posts to go exploring, and the the people following the merchant caravans around. That and the Gunners, who would sooner rob the merchants than buy from them.
Honestly, i think I'm one of the few people in the wastes without a steady job. Everybody else is a merchant, a guard, a farmer, some kind of medicine man, or a professional murderer.
That's something that should be worked into the next Fallout game. Or at least a mod
imagine always having ammo.
this meme was made by the automatic weapons gank
imagine looking at a sad 000 ammo count.
this meme was made by the semi auto gang
imagine worrying about ammo at all
this post was made by the melee gang
Imagine Carrying the extra Weight
This post was made by the Unarmed Ninja Gang
@@Jakkaribik1 imagine playing the game at all
this post was made by the broke gang
Let's hope somebody can top that
Burst fire is the best! oh wait...
GHOSTLEAD wrong game we're not in fallout 1 or 2 but I think it would've been cool if bethesda added an option to use burst fire for rifles ( hitman is working on it for the assault carabine )
GHOSTLEAD rip
Tap the trigger lightly, it will fire a short bust of two to three shots. It's a tactic used by real soldiers, it's called a binary trigger
It is not called a binary trigger. It's called a burst
+Joshua it's called pacing your shots.
Why buy ammo when you can find it almost anywhere? (Scrounger perk.)
Nicholas Hemphill because there's no such thing as enough 5mm ammo.
odin lindeberg exactly!
With wounding effect, its still 150+ rounds to take out deathclaws and behemoths at 117. And thats if the deathclaw doesnt side step every other step causing you to miss.
Or you can do the infinite caps glitch which is basically you buy all the ammo someone has then give it back -1 and then a couple of of things you need to do and you should be able to buy everything without losing a single cap and as far as I'm concerned this glitch hasn't been fixed so it's not going to cost you a lot and it worked on survival last I checked
Exception is cryo cells. But because of that I just don't use cryolator.
full auto: close and medium distance
semi auto :medium and a little longer distance
bolt action: long distance
it is a matter of taste
Conventionally you're correct. However, F4 has made it so the bolt action 50 cal and 308 rifle doesn't even compare to a semi auto 7.62 or .45-70, heck even a semi auto plasma rifle or laser rifle has a longer range and hits harder.
Semi auto is better for ammo efficiency and damage per bullet.
Czech pistol: useless as shit
Bolt action rifles has sht range
Err.. no. IRL, you'd be right tho. Partially.
Semi auto because I'm poor af and need the most out of my ammo
Young Piere produce purified water and seel it to 18 caps per bottle.. produce a 1000 per hours an you’re never going to be poor again...
Nah nah nah that takes wayyy too long. I’m talkin shipment of steel and then poisoned caltrops. And then just sell em back for like twice the price
With the exception of 45-70 and 7.62, I have rarely ever bought ammo. I find plenty of ammo for my guns. In survival I generally have to leave ammo behind at a settlement because I have so much. I do agree about automatic weapons being sub-optimal in survival mode because of the amount you need to carry and how difficult it is to always go back for resupply of ammo.
I buy 5.56 and fusion cells a lot on very hard.
personally i find it hard to stock pile enough .556 ammo for a semi auto let alone a full auto
Sleepy .Time The scrounger perk will fix that. By the time I start to use the assault rifle I have a few thousand rounds stockpiled. But mods can easily fix the issue.
My mods went the other direction and made loot a lot, lot more rare since i wanted a more challenging form of gameplay then vanilla survival offers.
Sleepy .Time I can see that
@Madman - If you ever want to give it a try i highly recommend Fallout 4 Loot Overhaul as it is a huge improvement in my opinion.
www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1486/?
.556? Man, those are some tiny bullets.
I personally prefer Semi, more per shot control is more important to being able to spray at close range.
Eh, Full auto go brrt.
I can click pretty fast but I can't aim pretty fast
Another advantage for semi-auto rifles: Sniper perk rank 2
Every semi-auto rifle with a scope attached to it (which includes the combat shotgun!!!) has a 30 percent chance to knock an enemy down when you hit them while aiming down sights. Very useful for crowd control, and if you're using the combat shotgun you should consider that this chance counts per projectile, not per shot. ;)
Does that work with a Reflex Sight or just the sniper scopes?
@@Yapyapownz only scoped weapons
The constant knock of a shotgun shot would make it really usefull but with the scope you are basically making it weaker in its strongest point, close combat
But you have to aim using a scope in CQC... basically making it near useless.
@@TheFirstCurse1 You don't have to actually use the scope. You just have to have it on the gun. ADSing with a shotgun is pointless anyways, so why not bully tanky enemies into a permanent stunlock?
on survival i'm currently using gauss rifle, mighty 10mm pistol and plasma rifle all top spec for semi auto. silenced 10mm for sneaking indoors, gauss for outside sniping and plasma for when i'm running and gunning outside. working really well for me
and i have cait as a companion who it using either a full auto assault rifle with the stagger legendary effect or a freezing full auto radium rifle. she has both because she burns through ammo but damn can she f**k up most things!
@@THERHINO8624 5 years later just saying caits a melee character so no wonder she burned bullets😭 the crackhead
@@ds3ol706 she's my pet crack head though 😂 the fact she can pick any lock given enough tries is a big selling point for me as well 😂😂😂
@@THERHINO8624 honestly she is a lifesaver for that 😂
Explosive is absolutely devastating with automatic weapons and fully-upgraded perks. Also, I got a wounding minigun on one of my characters. Nothing lasts long against that, not even Nuka World bosses.
They really should have added more features to guns like select fire modes, and the ability to change the type of ammo used (AP, incendiary, HE)
Imagine HE explosive minigun or AP explosive minigun
theres something with the engine that cant do burst mode effectively
i think i read that somewhere
i might be blujndering tho
Too much options. Then theyll have segments where you NEED to use the different ammo types. No thank you
4:45 Briefly entered another realm of existence there.
Early game defs go semi-auto (especially on survival mode), ammo shortages can be a pretty big issue at the start for guns not taking the .38mm.
your whole gunslinger stuff is kinda bs as gunslinger only requires one agility so everyone can get that perk and for commando you can just get the agility bobblehead or use the special book!
You can also get a good situational weapon variety using rifleman with something like a shotgun with light weight mods for ghouls in vats and a heavy, hard hitting and accurate rifle, like the combat rifle, for mid to long range engagements and a dedicated sniper (preferably the Gauss Rifle) with a scope for long range only and maybe get a supressor for it and then get sneak attacks.
Long story short:
Semi = more bang for your buck and weight. Better against armour. Better at range.
Auto = Better DPS but a lot of damage is wasted against the opponents armour.
But automatic weapons are more fun to use at close range but sniping is also very nice!
Yah but the book goes i to int for faster leveling other that that spot on mate
my thoughts exactly, rifleman as a perk is better and variety you get from short range shotguns to long range sniping is awesome...ammo efficiency is just a cherry on top
Uhm... I just don't get why you keep talking about the rifleman perk as if it locks you into your weapon type. ANYONE can get Gunslinger as it only takes an Agility of 1 and I tend to play a stealthy Gunslinger - Sniper cross that very much uses both Rifleman and Gunslinger perks in it's build. For the efficiency reasons, I never use commando.
I mean its not like when your using Rifleman and Gunslinger you need high charisma for ammo and you would save perk points
You don't need high charisma for ammo. 2 luck (all I usually get), it's first 2 perks, and the better merchant prices from the Charisma 1 perk can get you all the ammo you ever need. There is also the possibility of actually building a factory, if you have the right DLC. I tend to have a LOT more Charisma than 1, the way I play it, as Charm is what complements the combat abilities of my sniper-gunslinger build, but I don't really need it for ammo.
I'm terrible at aiming so regardless I waste ammo
I recommend either an automatic combat shotgun, or an advanced combat shotgun if you want to press the button yourself. With a drum mag, these things are awesome and you're bound to hit something with the huge ammo capacity.
If you want to save ammo, go semi auto. If not, fully automatic for the win!
You should do a video about what happened to Rivit city. It's hinted that the Brotherhood of steel may have stolen the city Nukclear reacter for the air ship.
My kiloton radium rifle (powerful automatic) glitched and got 300 fire rate. The glitch didn't last forever but it was one of the best moments I had in the game.
Yunpei Yang I had a glitch with melee weapons. It was showing damage for the Shishkabob at over 600. I don't know what it was actually doing, but I pretty much one shot everything I encountered.
Unfortunately it went back to normal the next time I played.
Imagine that with a 2 shot automatic radium rifle fully modded out thoooo
Semi auto is superior and it isn't an opinion. Semi auto is universally applicable and only hindered by ones own individual trigger finger, accuracy and the guns individual ranges and accuracy. Oozing costs more and is really mostly applicable at close to mid range. Though it is possible to mitigate that a bit with burst fire.
You make some excellent points in this video. You forgot one thing, though. In close quarters, automatic weapons make a great “oh shit” weapon if you don’t have access to a good shotgun or melee weapon.
I used to like Semi-auto for its practicality but now, i just want to have fun, shoot a ton of bullets until my enemies die, more dakka.
buy some grenades and auto rifles, go crazy
I love full-auto weapons in Fallout 4. The 18-A plasma gun is extremely fun to use automatically. The problem for me is that auto weapons use up my ammo too fast. Therefore I usually use semi-auto plus, it makes me feel like a true sniper
Nicolai son. Back in my days
... we ONLY HAD BOLT ACTION
Lego Buildings Rewiew pftt, bolt action. Back in my day, we had to use muskets Sonny.
Admiral Jackson
Muskets? Bah! We used fucking pointy sticks and sticks with strings to fire pointy sticks!
Lt. Fox Vixen haha Bolt action,muskets, sticks with strings back in mine day we just our fucking Fist
you can downald ammo crafting workbench mod its availible for ps4 Xb1 andpc
I think the simplest way to boil this down is to go over what the most arguably powerful, ammo-efficient, cost-efficient, the has the best range:damage per second:reload-time:damage per shot:upgrade/repair costs/requirements ratio, etc. weapon is in each damage category regardless of perks, mods, or skills(I say skills and repair mostly because this could also be applied to Fallout 3 and New Vegas logic).
Note: these are just from my in-game experiences so I might be a little biased
Best energy weapon in Fallout 3= The Alien Blaster or the Gauss Rifle (both semi-automatic weapons)
Best F3 ballistic weapon= Lincoln's Repeater or The Backwater Rifle (again both semi-auto)
FNV best energy weapon= YCS/186 or Pew-Pew (again both semi-auto)
FNV best ballistic weapon= The Medicine Stick, The Ranger Sequoia, This Machine, or The Survivalist Rifle (I left out the Anti-mat rifle because under the right circumstances the Medicine Stick can deal just as much damage or even more at a lower strength requirement, versatility, and the chances to find and buy ammo at higher levels; also at the same time This Machine and The Survivalist Rifle are about tied but for different reasons, SR for it's damage speed and TM for it's common and cheaper ammo; again all semi weapons)
Note: F4 was tougher to decide due to the variety of weapon-mods, legendary effects, and just the sheer amount of weapon combos)
F4 best energy weapon= The Hub alien blaster, The Wazer Wifle, or the Aeternus (1/3 is purely semi-auto while 1 can be made automatic)
F4 best ballistic weapon= Old Reliable or The Overseer's Guardian (1/2 is purely semi-auto while the other can be modded either way)
TL:DR version: Most of the best or most efficient weapons in each Bethesda Fallout game have been purely semi-automatic (on a side note, I think it's stranger that most of them are lever-action rifles) weapons. Fallout 4 weapons were a little tougher to rate just because of how much weapons can be modded and altered to go with certain builds.
One thing that the latest Bethesda games have put a lot of effort into is making the player feel badass. The reason I mentioned that is because I think that's why lever action rifles (and revolvers in the pistol category) are the most damaging guns in the games. If you're using a lever action rifle against enemies with machine guns and laser weapons and you're still kicking their asses it doesn't get much more badass than that.
If virginity had a voice vinylicpuma's would be it
oh shirt dude, fucking roasted
Rex shit*
😅😂🤣😆
The only reason you say that is because no one has to hear your squeaky voice.
intensitygate True, i should just kill myself tbh
I prefer semi-auto for myself and automatics for my settlers and companions...the AI just seems to be way more effective with with automatics as opposed to semi-autos.
So, what I tend to do in survival mode for a sneak build is mix rifleman and gunslinger as hand guns are far better suited for close range stealth attacks where rifles are best used at greater ranges. So, I'll typically have the deliverer, the overseers guardian, and a .38 pipe pistol for weaker enemies.
Im literally running around in survival with a 6 crank laser musket as a primary and an automatic plasma rifle for bigger enemies. It’s working rather well for me surprisingly.
I think personally if you have perks like scrounger and that one with better prices at shops (charisma) automatic weapons are really fun to just spray and not really worry about ammo cost.
problem solver is life
JustAJoe78 H agreed
JustAJoe78 H i kno elder maxson giving u a problem whell nuka world solves that 👍
I use this in survival. Melted Mirelurk queens lol
lil meat sauze only downfall is travelling to nukaworld for us survivalists for the ammo. Ol' reliable is bae as well, 100 rounds goes so far for that thing allowing me to carry 2000 rounds for my problem solver
John - big easy target, nice for the bonus ❤
One pro of the autos is that some legendary effects stack-up. A full auto bleeding pipe rifle is deadly.
Automatics can use a wider range of prefixes because of the rpm, and since they shoot multiple bullets in vats so unless your semi does over 3x the damage of your auto then it's more damage efficient in vats so use autos.
As far as chaining sneaks, both work but not with snipers. I've managed to hit 4 with the deliverer and most automatic guns. With semis I can hit 2 most of the time but it's not consistent enough to say I can hit 3. It's very reliant on the distance and on the recoil not going in the wrong way. And ofc it's impossible to do with the gauss rifle because you need to charge it.
One thing in the video I found odd was the 10mm argument. In the early game you don't need the bonus damage on a pistol to make it work.
Also, if you're aiming for late game and end storyline there's the option of using the two shot railway rifle, if that's on automatic you're going to have a lot of ammo available to you.
I hope that if there is a Fallout 4 they make an effort to make firearms more realistic. Other than game balancing, there is no reason that per round damage should go down for full auto. That is just dumb. They should make the per round damage the same, but drastically increase the recoil of full auto weapons. Commando perk would then be used to mitigate recoil. The damage should be the same for both full and semi auto.
Zotman5 If we are making it realistic i'd like to make the reload animations realistic. It's a stupid pet peeve but i wish the reload animations were dependent on if you had a round in the chamber or not. I guess it bothers me because i'm a gun nut in real life :).
The Odd Calvanist have you played the battlefield games?
Nicholas Hemphil Yes I have; I was thinking the the battlefield normal/tactical reload system should be implemented in fallout.
Thatd be boring as power armour would literally make you invincible and you'd kill any un-steel-armoured target in a
few shots and even if they would wear some combat armour, just a hand full of shots would destroy their armour and then they would bleed "out" on their insides because of the many broken ribs they have.
That's true. Logical in respect to the game world would have been a better way to put it than realistic.
Automatic combat rifle with the explosive effect stacked with the ace operator perk with commando maxed out =Unstoppable.
I prefer semi autos.
More damage per bullet which is very useful early when ammo is rare and still useful later, better accuracy, less recoil and usually better range and less missing.
Some semi autos like 10mm pistol are still quite fast.
I always run with my automatic Giat Famas. Since i'm specced VATS/Sneak in Very Hard/Survival I don't go full auto very often. But sometimes I do burst and its nice to have. Have played a lot both ways, semi-auto and auto and can use either equally well.
woah...your sound is amazing in this vid, also I like the opening screen better
The best part of automatic weapons is that they are fun. Being able to just spray and pray while you run and gun makes for a very fun play through, and for faster gameplay.
Puma you always come in clutch with videos when I need them, I literally just started a semi auto riflewoman build
Riflewoman? You could've just said a semi-auto character. Or a semi-auto female rifle character.
@@TheFirstCurse1 why do you care
@@SerotoninCrunch I don't really tbh, but riflewoman just sounds weird. So does rifleman.
@@TheFirstCurse1 well the word rifleman has been around for centuries lmao, idk what's so weird about it? Using woman/man at the end of a word to describe the occupation and gender is a standard occurrence in the English language.
You gonna tell me that businessman/woman is weird too?
Him: “up to 2-3 caps per bullet”
Me: “fusion cells cost 10 caps at my charisma”
Since I mostly use what ever ammo type I happen to scavenge around the wasteland. I tend to keep a wide variety of weapons of various types and calibers. I have literally never bought ammo from a vendor ever (unless it is cannon balls for the broadsider but that doesn't drop often). I usually will keep stockpile my ammo and weapons in a trunk at my main base until mission time then pick weapons depending on what ammo types I have the most of. That said I generally use the common ammo types for auto weapons and uncommon and rares for semi-auto. Personally I find Auto works better at close range while semi-auto is best used from a distance. Of course once I get a settlement with an ammo factory set up I just manufacture what ever ammo type I want and supply never becomes an issue ever again.
Ammo is so scarce in the early game I can never bring myself to use an automatic weapon except, briefly and exactly one time because of how much it turned out to suck, the minigun. I did find a kneecapping combat rifle I am thinking of using (in auto mode) just for Deathclaws and the like, slowing them down so I can finish them off with a semiauto weapon.
Like most people said already. Semi Good at all ranges. Autos are fun. Only reason why i would wanna use autos is for role playing though.
Other then that, i do not like auto, because of the lack of practicality. Feels like your limited to close range, sometimes mid if your got a slower firing, or recoil manageable gun.
Like my current playthrough is roleplay, though its auto, i use melee 90% of the time, cause i need ammo against big baddies and legendarys. And im not enjoying it as much as i thought i would.
Playing as Nate, the footsoldier. Not any specialty position within the army. just an average basic soldier, with only basic training and average skills all around, like any specials are max 6 WITH bobbleheads. Anything he might need to know in the Wasteland he'll need to teach himself how to do. Added challenge, Starting S5 P4 E4 C3(4 w/book) I5 A4 L3. One level shy of most perks i want. Must find Bobbleheads to get them. Caveat is once i find the bobblehead i can add points to specials. But only ones that ive found bobbleheads for.
In short, the fist time i decided to move to auto, i was still very soon in game, what i used was a auto pipe rifle, and even though .38 is the easiest ammo to find, i ran out of it in no time, and found my self fully out of ammo exept for some ammo for my pipe revolver wich i had to use for a while, this is why i really prefer to stick with semi auto
Wish the combat rifle had a auto .38 and .308 attachment. Mainly .308 so I can recreate the BAR.
"Remember Soap... switching to your handgun is always faster than reloading"
The part where full-auto's start to suck is when you start needing a completely different weapon like a revolver or melee weapon so you don't run out of bullets or have to carry four different weapons to spread out your ammo consumption. This turns it into a 'bonus' perk like Heavy weapons or Explosives, rather than a primary weapon option like melee or pistols.
Getting both is surely the best way, choosing between overseers guardian and the problem solver isn't something anyone should have to do
In survival mode or if using a mod that further bumps up damage, things (including the player) can die after a few hits. This makes the decision one of circumstance. Autos can be deadly in cqc because it's easier to pump out rounds faster, but, semis can one shot targets if you're sniping them.
honestly modding saves the day again, one i had some installed that make it so your damage with weapons is broken into pistol, rifle, heavy, and explosive, with few crossover weapons (mainly missiles and fatman). Doesn't matter if a gun is semi or auto, it gains the same benefits. Then add more options for ammo types across each weapon, and you get, for example, the old combat rifle becoming the assault rifle, and having access to 5mm, 5.56, or .308. While your damage is lower on the 5mm, each of those weighs about the same as a .38 in survival, and hit harder with armor piercing effects naturally. (mod also makes it so it does bonus damage to robots, vehicles, and power armor
That being said, auto fire is still an inferior option, but it's very easy to level it out.
oh, and it's weapons overhaul redux, equipment crafting overhaul, and be exceptional that I'm using to achieve this. Oh, and shotguns count as rifles, and it also allows some weapons to take a shotgun receiver, and survival adds capshot ammo for shotguns that are technically weightless, as they're intended as barter fodder (they'll replace bottlecaps found roughly 50% of the time with fortune finder for example)
I roll around survival mode with automatics and have never once had to buy ammo. 3 ranks in the scrounger perk is more than enough. Even if you do have to buy ammo, just use the extra rounds of other ammo types that you don't use as currency. My main is overseers guardian fully upgraded with the deliverer as a sidearm. Both weapons use extremely common ammo types. You could also get the explosive radium rifle from far harbor. Im doing like 150 damage a bullet or more. It may not be as much as semi auto rifles can get but dps can be crazy. And if for some reason, you're still having trouble with ammo, make some at a settlement. The only time I ever ran out of ammo was using plasma weapons. But have a storage chest for extra ammo at each of your settlements and swap to a more common ammo type when necessary. Trust me, you'll be fine.
I like both but my favorite kind of weapon that I've used was a semi-auto plasma rifle with a sniper barrel
The point about pistols seemed good until I realised that whenever I face ghouls I either use a shotgun (which is basically a strong pistol as pistols are fairly short range and semi auto, often)
Or the pipe rifle which is of course just the pipe pistol with a different stock.
But then again im a fallout noob rocking 4 in each SPECIAL apart from P which is 5 and having great fun with rifleman, demolition, gun nut, armourer , medic and bloody mess :p
It would feel like a waste of points to level up the pistol perk
Video idea, for your Fallout 4 videos you haven't made a "Best Legendary Effects for Melee weapons" one recommendation for the list would be The instigating effect. Love your vids keep it up (if you see this)
Stagger is better than Instigating, as the latter only benefits when target is at full health....
If you are an assassin typ character instigating is the best because you onehit kill anything out of sneak
NorseGraphic I do agree on the Stagger effect but only on the Ripper like the Harvester in the far harbour Dlc but what TheLegend27 said if your a sneak Type character using Sneak and having the ninja Perk makes your Melee hits too 12.5x the amount of damage with that including the The Instigating effect has your damage is crazy
ammo consumption is a nonissue if you have scrounger. just pick which ammo and you will stockpile the ones you don't use. use them and stockpile everything else. on survival, dump the ammo in a settlement if you aren't using it to avoid weight issue. any ammo you don't have you can buy using ammo as money
This will come in handy, I was originally thought I was playing this on normal mode, but I only recently found out that I was playing on hard mode.
I used to be in the semi auto camp, but once you go full auto you can never go back. Plasma and Cryo Legendary = favorite with automatics. it's basically 20-25 additional damage per shot and it's energy based so... fewer enemies have ER.
I feel semi is better for vanilla weapons but on the other hand alot of the cool weapon mods like the ak74m are full auto only or have both semi and auto options but you can tell that they were supposed to be used as an automatic.
I tend to play more like a shooter with the commando perk but use vats more when using rifleman. I tend to use gunslinger/commando combo with explosives and the game plays more like a shooter with RPG elements. it's super fun. pick up ammo collector and you will never really have a problem with ammo. plus a good amount of the drugs in the game work better with full automatics
I never play on survival mode anymore because I hate to babysit my character every ten minutes.
The prototype laser rife limitless potential is so fun and crazy with full auto since you don't waste any ammo
A 3 round burst would be a happy medium
you make very valid points. For me, I prefer semi for long range and for pistols and full-auto for mid to short range. in my opinion the best full-auto weapon for ammo consumption and possibly for survival mode is the combat shotgun.
I personally never used automatics until i recently did one of Fudgemuppet's builds, but it's definitely fun.
@VYNALICPUMA.... You forgot the violent effect or the mighty effect both boosting damage.
So, one of my favorite things to do on an automatic weapons character is to get the justice shotgun with allows me to have a crazy stagger chance.
Don't forget the two-shot effect for automatic weapons!
Disadvantage: Increases recoil.
Advantage: The second shot is unmodified by your attachments. Per-shot damage is reduced by automatic receivers, but the second shot is NOT reduced. So while gunslinger and rifleman do not get double damage on a two-shot modified weapon, automatic weapons actually get MORE than double damage.
...but.... skills dont increase it either.... or am i wrong???
It's not that the skill increases the damage of the second shot, it's that automatic receivers decrease the damage of the first shot, and since the second is immune to that decrease, you end up with more damage then the stats claim, because the stats assume that both shots are subject to the decrease.
I have been playing survival mode for a few hundred hours now. Automatic weapons are very strong in the early game (below lv 40).
Automatic weapons have lower recoil and hence higher effective DPS. If there is a dangerous enemy you want to take down, holding the automatic trigger down is much faster and safer than a non-automatic weapon. Lower recoil power allows me to target the enemy easier and hence kill the enemy faster. Commando perk is Agility 2 perk, you can spend a few points on it at the early stage of the game.
I would recommend running automatic weapons with commando perk and a semi-auto weapon in the early game, and gradually shifting to the semi-auto weapons as you have more perks related to sneak perks.
Pro tip: water purifiers (exorbitant amount) at your HOME base with all your shops. No worries about ammo after that.
Brian Cain when u set up at red rocket
Funny thing is I use Gunslinger Rifleman. And other perks. I like to make my character multi-tool survivalist. Like a Survivor from the TV show
I used pistols on survival until about level 25 or so. By then, I was going up against such high-level enemies that my Advanced Plasma-Infused 10mm just couldn't cut it. While the .44 Pistol does impressive damage, it is much slower to fire than even the 10mm. This means that in close-range engagements where you really need that high dps, you are better off with the 10mm anyway. And in long-range engagements where you rely primarily on Sneak Bonus Damage, the .44 is useless as it cannot be suppressed, so not only will you be noticed much more easily, you don't have access to the additional x.5 from the Sandman Perk.
If you have the Far Harbor DLC, go with a fully-upgraded Radium Rifle which has a high rate of fire low recoil and uses .45 ammo. Mine can do 175-ish Ballistic Damage and 100 Radiation Damage. With the Instigator Legendary I do double that on the first shot, which is extremely useful if you use sneak damage to take down most of your foes.
"player.additem (ammo id) 999999999999"
FULL AUTO, BABY!!!
The problem I had was early ammo weaponry sucked later on, so I kept a pipe rifle for auto for later in the game, as that ammo was damn near infinite.
I wonder if someone has done the math on Damage Per Vat Point expended of the various weapon types.
i got ammo scavenger in early levels and by the time i got either the combat rifle or the .50 hunting rifle i had atleast 1000 ammo for them from just looting it in the world.
Have you done a vid for Balistic vs. Laser vs, Plasma by any chance?
Honestly I love both so I just have two characters one for full-auto one for semi and it’s awesome
If you can could you test the theory that vault tec launched the first bombs if you already have thank you for your time
That would be the best twist ever
One disadvantage with semi is the more pronounced recoil, leading to less hits (damage) per second when two hits aren't enough.
The "feature" of full auto doing less damage per hit is very unrealistic and "gamey".
A realistic approach for auto would be to use damage and recoil from semi and just increase the ammo consumption. The reason for using auto is to increase the probability of scoring any hit with a burst rather than scoring several hits.
Also, what automatic weapon in the game can use .50 ammo?
Depends on what quest and if you’re using survival mode
Also you should consider full-auto benefits from muzzles which reduces range, but with semi-auto no muzzle is required.
what is like a realistic level to be bored af at? I want to spray some bullets but I want to get robot expert and and other things in luck tree.
Played for the longest time using only semiauto because losing out on the damage for fullauto just didn't make sense to me. Lately tho, I started using full auto and I love it.
I put 1 point in both scrounging perks and never have a problem with caps or ammo.
``the lever action rifle is curently buged´´
VPG 11.7.2017
To be honest, I use a mod that pretty much makes automatics deal the same damage per bullet as semi with no range loss either so I tend to just use automatics and just tap them if I need to make longer shots... or pull out my .44 magnum.
Other advantages of Full auto-
A. 0 need for VATS or Perception or Luck (lockpicking and ammo find are good low rankers though).
B. With a stealth build most things die from 1 - 3 auto rifle shots anyway
C. Missing isn't as much an issue in the heat of battle
D. yeah you can put points in pistol and conserve some ammo that way
E. If your not building settlements, you can sell all that junk you pick up and then there's plenty of caps for bullets.
F. something jumps out at you right into your face? Squeeze that trigger! :D
Man, you have a phd in this game. Crazy knowledge.
If you have an ammo builder in a settlement you can make your own ammo
the core problem is that in truth in real ballistics is that the receiver and bolt Will hold a perfect seal so the energy lost will not apply as chemical process of controlled blast from a round will be the same a high percentage of time.
Semi auto for ammo conservation, headshots, and smart play. Fully auto for channeling your inner Heavy and screaming "WAH, WAH, CRY SOME MORE! HAHAHAHA"
ohhh i get that reference!!! :D
Dude, inner Heavy is through naming an Explosive Minigun Sasha and screaming or Aeternus if you have Nuka-World. What automatic is for is making you feel like an operator from R6(at least for me)
I tend to prefer using stealth and sniping, thus semi-auto rifles give you the most bang for your buck - especially in survival mode, where ammo has weight. Gunslinger can work, as you can use a .44 with a scope for sniping, (though it can't be silenced), and the Deliverer makes a great stealth weapon. Still, the Overseer's Guardian makes a great sniper rifle...
i use the automatic 10mm pistol with a large magazine as a uzi, i use a full auto .38 gun with a large magazine, and when i get a gun that uses 5.56 then i make an auto version of that too, its great
I like full auto on the plasma infused prefix. For what ever reason the plasma does some crazy boosting and it stays for the most part accurate.
Freezing, Plasma Infused and Explosive legendary effects benefit greatly from automatic weapons with low base damage and a high rate of fire.
Overdrive and the Freezing effect synergize greatly with one another.
Armor Rating in Fallout 4 would have worked fine if they took out the damage penalty for full auto. It already has a drawback: ammo consumption.
My opinion is the full autos are better for sneaking because you shoot in a 3 round burst, which means you sneak attack 3 times before being spotted. Semi auto is more economical because it saves ammunition. If you’re doing a vats build I could recommend using full auto weapons.
Vynlicpuma, get the Snipers of the Commonwealth mod. It adds over 150 snipers who are on tall buildings, with combat rifles. And there are unique NPC's, whom you might recognize. There are 5 Zer0's, one is the original, who wields a sniper called the Lyuda, a NPC naled Aur, whatever, from the presequal, and a guy near the sanctuary bridge who sells the snipers, and the swords, and "Ghost Armor" which turn you invisible when crouched, but, you can move in it. I like it
Your first point about commando being in the same skill tree with gunslinger doesn't really mean anything imo since you only need 2 perception to get rifleman
Also you dont need to worry about ammo price from about level 15 onwards for balistic ammo types and level 25-30 for all other ammo types
Build an ammo forge and get all of your caliber based ammo exclusively from there and also build a weapons forge and only build 44 revolvers (or 10mm pistols if you dont have your gun nut perk high enough yet).
Now every time you need to buy non ballistic ammo, take all your crafted pistols/revolvers and your least used ammo type from the ammo forge, put on your best CHR apparel and buy all the non ballistic ammo you can afford from vendors in return for your pistols/revolvers and least used ammo type
You'll even make a caps profit every time you do this