My main use for pipe weapons late game is as a high capacity automatic pipe pistol that I use to clean up trash that I don't want to waste more expensive ammo on.
Yes, I realize that... I was more referring to it being in the base vanilla game - if you can equip a pipe weapon with a recon scope, then the better reflex sight should have been available...
Ive downloaded a mod that reskins the PWs. Leaving the Damage and all that Vanilla. That reskin fits the whole Game much better. I just dont like how they look. If Bethesda woudlve used real darker wood textures and steel instead of making them this yellowish it woudlve been fine with me.
I believe pipe guns where around before the war, as poor mans firearms nearly everyone could build themselves. There is even a perk magazine in Gunners Plaza, titled "Street Guns of Massachuchets" or something. If we go from there, finding pipe weapons in almost every place.
Pipe weapons ironically would work best in the older fallouts when weapons and armor had degrading condition. they naturally wouldve been easy to maintain and repair, and their cheap nature would have made them VERY desirable because those games had a tougher economy. But in fallout 4 there are no conditions, you make FAR more money, and on top of this things just generally cost less. which is unfortunate.
Doesn't matter if you've put in 5 hours or 500; time doesn't make your opinion correct, facts do. Giving players a power armor that increases their damage resistance by ten FOLD over the best set of armor they can acquire very early game (heavy raider armor). Heavy raider armor, the full set, has a DR of 50. regular t45 armor has a base of 500. the frame by itself has a DR of 60. which means at level, what, 4? you've already entirely eliminated the early game in terms of armor; especially since the game practically gives you all the fusion cores nonstop. and it can quickly be upgraded to t45-b without any perks. as for weapons, the laser musket deals about as much damage as the hunting rifle, but its all energy damage; most enemies have lower energy resistance than regular DR, which makes this weapon, especially when upgraded, more effective than most long range weapons in the mid game. and you're just given these things, as well as your choice of two companions (dogmeat and codsworth) with zero fucking effort, thus allowing you to just take everything on looting excursions. This removes the early game requirement in previous fallouts that made you triage what loot you would bring back, until you managed to get a companion.
I'm just sad that Bethesda got rid of SO many weapons, like the 10mm SMG, Repeater, Chinese Assault Rifle, ETC. I feel like FO3 & NV did MUCH better in the Weapons Category.
Rational Skeptic unless it was in a location deemed to dangerous to explore at the time. Also the fact that someone could have placed it their more recently like a scavenger, raider, or mercenary group, then died without letting anyone know about it. Not everything is so easily accessible as you would think.
They did, I miss the 9mm guns in New Vegas. There's not many weapons I like in F04. I've came across several high-tier weapons but I always go back to my trusty Hunting Rifle and 10mm. ... If that says anything. >,,> Ah yeah, the Chinese Assault Rifle. I miss that as well now that you mention it; I have a fascination for Chinese tech in the series so I immediately grabbed one in F03. Thankfully there is a Chinese officer's sword that you can use in F04 on the other hand, but it is saddening that there isn't much else besides that.
For sniper rifle kills in pistol form there aren't any other options than a bolt action pipe pistol. The other silenced weapons available (all two of them) have far shorter ranges and less damage up front. Rifle users can move on to several other options but they simply don't exist for pistol users. That's not to say there aren't great pistols out there, but none that do that specific role for that specific (gunslinger) build.
Remember getting a silenced bold action pipe pistol early in my first playthrough. Awesome to get those stealthy kills without risk of surviving, yelling enemies.
Kenneth Graves they were the Standard gun to all my settlement security forces but then get replaced with the handmaid rifle as that does way better damage and I can mass-produce on the fly
I like Pipe Weapons. More than any other weapon type, they make me feel like "This is mine". Namely pipe snipers and revolvers. They may not be the strongest, but they are the most fun upgrading, and the most "Fallout", to me anyway. On a lot of characters I've had, I've always had at least 1 pipe weapon with me from beginning to end game. Early on just to make do, but then on simply because of their amazing ammo reserves. I'll sacrifice a little damage to be able to utilize common ammunition in my backup guns. My only wish is that there could have been more advanced part mods which were in much better condition. No rust and things like that. Just to really nail home the journey of a weapon you may have had your entire game by giving it some needed boosts and a nicer construction.
Cole Jenkins That, actually, is a cool idea. Not unlike what they did with the nuka world weapons I think it would need multiple perks in areas you maybe would not 100% expect to upgrade it. Make it so you can really do the scavver look.
I have an automatic pipe rifle with explosive on it that I named "The One". it was the first weapon my character found in the game. I may have modded the property onto it but my character will have it from beginning to end game and I second the notion of having something to show where the weapon came from to get where it is now.
Pootis Man the only thing sub machine guns seem to be good at is getting money from vendors. Their secondary highly "useful" trait of wasting 45 caliber ammo.
The regular SMGs have one good purpose: giving the player up to 100 extra .45 rounds when picking up the weapon from a fallen enemy. Even if you don't use .45 ammo yourself it can be converted into 100 or 200 caps to use on something you do want.
Everyone respects Sub Machine guns? That simply isn't true. But anyway, The Sub Machine Gun does have about double the ammo of an automatic pipe pistol. I believe it is more stable in general too. The big problem with the SMG is that for the brief period of time where they are actually useful as a weapon, you don't tend to have buckets of .45 ammo and because you know a combat rifle is likely not far off chances are you'll want to save that up anyway. By the time .45 is plentiful the gun is simply too weak and limited (baring the top legendary effects like bleeding or explosive). Mostly though SMG's main purpose seems to be selling them for cash. That means they are very useful, just not as actual weapons.
...Who the hell likes the vanilla Sub-Machine Gun in Fallout 4? It's shit. Uses .45 ACP, which is probably even less common than 10mm, it's heavy, has few customization options and its damage is pretty shitty - especially for the ammo. The only positive thing about the vanilla SMG is Spray n Pray... and pretty much any automatic weapon is going to effective with explosive rounds and a 100 round drum. Personally, without mods (which is about on par with ranking decaffeinated coffee on the scale of pointlessness and stupid pursuits), the only ballistic weapons I care for in vanilla Fallout 4 are the 10mm pistol, Combat Rifle/Shotgun and especially the Handmade rifle. Assault rifle may, on paper, be great but outside of excellent recoil management I hate them because they look terrible and they're heavy as fuck, and the Combat Rifle fills an almost identical role while allowing more leeway in late-game upgrades for damage. Laser and Plama weapons are also more rewarding and fun to use in Fallout 4 than in 3.
Yeah, the weapons were really varying in 4 it just kinda seems like they pushed getting into different weapon types (laser, bullet, plasma, etc.) to boost your damage.
SUP3RDUP3RN0VA In guns: Fallout 3 was the most bland one Fallout New Vegas gave lots of options, but had limited gunplay Fallout 4 gave options but tried keeping it more casual, above your average players dont like that but they did improve much of the gunplay What I would want: Durability options from the armor to some of the weapons Pre war guns would just need a tap of oil, a few springs and screws Pipe weapons would need the whole barrel remade, but would be a little cheaper than now to make Bullet types would be nice, but it must not be at the cost of people not using energy weapons anymore
New Vegas took place in Nevada, Fallout 4 takes place in Massachusetts. Compare the gun laws of both of those states and, considering that what one finds in a Fallout game is influenced by whatever was there before the bombs fell, it is clear why there will be more guns in New Vegas, and less guns in Fallout 4, and why it would be more common to find homemade guns in Fallout 4 than in New Vegas.
I love the pipe rifle as you can upgrade it fully with only gun but rank 2. That means I can have a full auto with a drum mag by level 14. That’s amazing early on plus .38 is light for survival
You can get all that earlier than that and save yourself two perks of gun nut. Pipe weapons are most common weapon, you telling me you couldn’t find a pipe weapons with attachments you like to mod your pipe rifle?
One of the first legendary weapons that I had was pipe pistol with the Wounding effect. I turned it into an automatic rifle and it remained OP until the end-game.
Personally I kinda like the pipe revolver - made me create my first Fallout 4 weapon mod, now it has become part of my standard loadout. ^^ Also: automatic kneecapper pipe pistol ftw!
Don't really care much for the vanilla pipe revolver, but asXas' pipe revolver is really awesome and well done and a joy to use. Highly customizable and nearly every change to the gun is represented on it.
I created a pipe revolver rifle out of it, the 6-Shot. Got a complete visual overhaul, has a large bayonet attached to it (the one from the missile launcher), and can use 8 different calibers, each one also providing a different side effect. For example, 5mm ammo deals bleed damage and bypasses all physical ammo, 10mm ammo is extremely AP efficient in VATS, 44 magnum has a chance to knock enemies over (stacks with the Sniper02 perk), and .50 cal deals 125 damage by default and staggers enemies (also has enhanced AP).
@@thegreycrusader I don't know since they actually work relatively well in automatics and semi automatics I believe that it's actually 38 Auto instead of 38 Special. I could be wrong though.
Well... It really depends on your definition of good and bad. If it simply means power then yes, pipe weapons are pretty bad. They don't deal as much damage as most other weapons. If you mean bad as in "not worth using" then they are actually fairly decent.
Im glad that you made something to defend the pipe weapons because every other youtuber i have watch never give them a chance because of the better late game weapons i think it was cool they added something new to the name
Even now at level 48, I still have a regular pipe rifle as a mid-range rifle meant to start engagements and clean up raiders because I got one to drop with the Incendiary effect. So, when I could finally swap my Overseer's Guardian to .308, I pulled it out of it's case and swapped it to .45 since I had about 1400 rounds of .45 by them. Its still my side-arm/backup weapon to this day for ammo purposes.
tommy dude I always kept this short pipe rifle with a quick eject mag and a fully upgraded .38 fully automatic receiver simply because it was light and allowed me not to use heavy weapons with expensive ammo against bloatflies and ghouls
I started a new playthrough to get the bobbleheads (having the game for like a year and I've never done this) and a Poisoned Pipe Rifle I named Lockjaw dropped. I keep it .38 with the quick eject drum mag for raiders/gunners.
Fun fact: the Pipe Bolt Action rifle is almost identical to a fully modded Hunting Rifle turned Sniper Rifle, with the damage difference being only 8. And the Pipe Bolt Action is only 1/3 of the weight, meaning that the Hunting/Sniper Rifle is actually completely and utterly pointless, if not outright worse than the Pipe Bolt Action when considering weight-performance ratio.
Yes they were intended as early game weapons. However, (largely thanks to the removal of weapon and armor condition) there really is no early game in fallout 4. within the first hour of gameplay you end up with a sizable arsenal of far more powerful weapons and a suit of power armor. Players never really have a need, and thus no desire, to use pipe weapons. Hell even the starting 10mm pistol you get is far better than the pipe weapons you find, and you get an absurdly plentiful amount of ammo for it. The early game is so horrifically bungled, its actually recommended you avoid concord and lexington and sweep down through abernathy farm and around into diamond city, as you end up with an early game thats not only more lore friendly, but also less noob friendly. Its also far too easy to earn caps and better guns. so theres really no "early" game. you kind of just start at a mid-game level of weapons.
Nah. Concord and Lexington for the most part have weak weapons. Laser Musket, 10mm Pistol and Pipe guns are just about it. I'd hardly call those good guns at all. Also the introduction to Power Armor in the beginning doesn't break the early game. Power Armor requires Fusion Cores and those are incredibly hard to find anyway, so that in itself is balanced, because by the time you kill the Deathclaw in main storyline, the first Fusion Core is almost gone. You can't use the armor again until you deviate a bit from the main quest. It's not until you discover Cambridge Police Station (BoS storyline) that's when you get some actual good guns (Institute Rifle and Righteous Authority)
too bad they got rid of the Condition/Jam mechanics for weapons. Because pipe weapons would not shine with those mechanics. They would stop working after a few shots. eheh
Mr. Coffee My issue with repairing is that you have to have multiple of one gun to repair it. If you really like let’s say a super sledge, you barely ever find them so it just keeps breaking. If condition of weapons were to come back it would be good to have to use scrap parts like how you can repair power armor with scrap parts. I think it’s just dumb to make you carry multiple guns just so you can continue using them.
They could have made it into it with a bit of work Costing oil and sometimes needing to use spare parts or make them on the workbench And the fact that bolt action weapons are most reliable and least maintenance heavy, giving good reason to use pipe weapons as cheap alternatives for ammo that would otherwise be useless Maybe in the future
I found a legendary pipe rifle with the plasma effect on my first play-through. That thing was extremely helpful. Even when I stopped using it, I gave it to a settler to help fight off attackers.
I gave myself a wounding automatic pipe rifle just for kicks and that thing is stupid good at stacking bleed damage, I'm pretty sure that you can us it as a late game weapon if you got one with that perk. This gun will only start to really struggle after enemies begin appearing with 1000+ health.
I started playing the game this week, and this semiautomatic .38 pipe rifle I found is _much_ more effective against feral ghouls than my sawed-off shotgun, especially due to the huge amount of .38 ammunition I've found (I'm almost constantly over a thousand rounds), which allows me to put a lot of bullets "downrange" into enemies, as opposed to the shotgun, which only allows me to fire two shots before I have to reload again, opening the window for the ghouls to rush my ass As modern military doctrine would suggest, it would seem like sustained fire from lightweight, low-caliber ammunition can be way more effective than raw sdobbin' bawah at medium to close range
Thanks to you I've been on a never ending quest to find a legendary explosive pipe rifle. Haven't found one yet, though I did get an explosive lever action rifle yesterday.
I like the Pipe Weapons. I upgrade them for the XP and then pass them out to my settlers. They're not the best, but it's easy to arm absolutely everyone. I started doing that before upgrading them for better guns.
@Antonio Crouchelli Because it's insane. And probably manageable. Imagine a super smart raider making them. The launcher itself doesn't seem all that complicated.
@Antonio Crouchelli That breaking point would likely be related to the air compression system. While there are enough fire extinguishers in the commonwealth, I don't really see any 220 year old pipe containing too much pressure for a long period of time.
I'd really like the idea of pipe weapons in a world where durability is still around. They'd be repairable with junk alone, but other weapons require specific repair kits/replacements parts from other of the same weapon.
I freaking love pipe weapons, actually. I tend to prefer the feel of automatics, and given that an auto pipe rifle can be upgraded to near-optimal status with a single rank of Gun Nut, it can be a very powerful early-to-mid game weapon allowing you to cut through lightly-armored enemies like butter at any range. Once I even got lucky enough to get a Mighty pipe rifle very early on... between that and the Deadeye 10mm auto pistol I also found, it was never really even worth bothering with the combat rifle at all.
The pipe weapons are near the top of my favorites. They just look right and fit in, and if you can upgrade them (especially with some mods) they are great guns
I'm a huge stickler for my carry weight so I use these guns a lot because of their comparatively light weight and easy to find ammo/mods. The SMG being a Thompson is awesome but I'm not going to lug around a 15 pound gun I rarely find pre modded when one that weighs 5 and was fully decked-out by a raider I shot in the face will do the same job. Same goes for the sniper rifle.
revolvers aren't that great you know, just because a gun is a revolver doesn't magically give it more power. typically, revolvers use higher power cartridges than automatic pistols, but for the same cartridge, the revolving mechanism doesn't help any. that 'pipe revolver' has a shorter barrel, and the gap between the barrel and the cylinder can actually cause a loss in pressure and hurt the performance of the gun. the higher upgrade requirement doesn't make that much sense though, revolvers are mechanically simpler.
You get a 44pistol right at the beginning of the game if you bust a left after the sanctuary bridge and keep going til you see the electrical box in the water flip the switch and follow the with up the cliff and you'll find a substation...open the door three caps stash and a 44 and ammo on the ground by a skeleton...be careful f the raiders and mole rats that spawn close to there they killed me a couple times but there's rad away in the box on an air vent there too
Did that once and found that it was impossible to use that pistol because the ammo was nonexistant until much later levels. It was a nice emergency boss slayer weapon, though.
Or you can make your way to Finch farm then across the water you can see a door that's open a little bit go through it and the door that goes the pump house go down stairs and you'll see a code input device enter 0 4 5 1 (10 4 5 1 because they dont have a 0) and that'll open another door and on the ground next to a skeleton you'll find The Gainer which does 48 base damage and it sets targets on fire
Go to Eleanor. The merchant south of the rationing site right outside of Diamond City. She carries a lot of ammo, including 44. Usually more than any of the vendors in DC.
the bleeding damage pipe .38 SMG shredded everything, i generally never used it unless completely necessary because it was so broken. You could put 10-15 round into something like a behemoth and hide and the thing would just drop like a sack of potatoes while you were behind cover.
Mancomb .Seepwood i haven't played fallout but have been watching some videos. I'm kinda old - but seriously considering getting back in to video games. anyway - when you say the gun was broken, with context - it was so CRAZY overpowered and a behemoth must be a pretty strong enemy, it's not "fair" or fun to use? with the.38 ammo talked about in the video? just curious - I've never played a fallout game. .38 ammo is .38 ammo in "the real world" and try & auto fire it all you want - it's still .38 - I'm guessing from the videos that I'm watching there are different game mechanics that not only let you upgrade your weapons but also your skills which all combine to deal more damage. I kind of always heard Fallout was supposed to be a realistic kind of game but some of this is a bit ridiculous seems like some of the modern video game hand-holding I see. BUT it's a game and looks awesome. but then you talk about survival mode and maybe that the real game LOL I need somebody to sponsor me with a console I'll buy the PC and do the gruntled old gamer PC vs console Channel. you all heard it here first if you take my idea I will sue you. HAHAHAHA that's a troll. But seriously - that's my idea. the entire concept. especially the gruntled gamer, gruntled old gamer, all variants and anything resembling anything even tangential but also directly related to anything in this post. ok that's done. Brilliant. Anyway - here's the question is Fallout a good enough game series to buy a modern console just to play? also are my statements at the beginning of this post correct regarding my assumptions about the game
Mark Vickroy yeah, you’re statements about it are correct, and yes I believe that the series is good enough to buy a console for. You can buy an Xbox 1 and get fallout 4, fallout new Vegas, and possibly 3 on it. But you would have to buy the 360 edition of new Vegas and 3 because those games also work on the Xbox 1 and haven’t been released with their own Xbox 1 version.
An automatic pipe weapon with wounding effect is good enough for beginning to the end of the game. Even behemoth s and deathclaws. Just spray down anything repeatedly, big or small that's in your way, and it's down shortly. I have gunsmith extended installed that lets you put effects on guns after unlocking certain perks. I loving taking an enchanted weapon that was acquired, and sticking another enchantment on it, like they wounding effect. Currently I have a kneecapper automatic pipe pistol, with wounding effect added. Behemoths beware!
"Begs the question: raise a question or point that has not been dealt with; invite an obvious question." I think you're right in that something that begs the question often does assume facts not yet established but it is this assumption that leads to a question.
I quite enjoyed a pipe bolt-action .308 sniper on a survival playthrough. The damage isn't as much as a hunting rifle but it weighed only around 8-9 lbs compared to a hunting rifle that was at 15-18 lbs. Half the weight at almost the same stats? the damage was less, but it didn't make that much of a difference and the free carrying capacity was quite useful.
I once had a instigating pipe revolver, It really was the best stealth pistol ever. Being able to switch between the .45 and .308 receiver's made life so easy. Also it has a decent fire rate, something that the bolt action pistols didn't have. Ammo capacity might've been low but I just put points into quick hands and that problem went away fast. Then ofcourse there was all the mods for it, settled on a comfort grip with a short recon scope, and a long ported barrel with a suppressor.
Furious legendary effect is great on the Pipe gun. 15% extra damage each consecutive shot is great, and quickly gets up to double or triple damage and beyond. Explosive is great if you upgrade the explosives perk. The effect that makes enemies bleed is great because the effect stacks with each shot. Basically anything with consecutive damage is good.
They’re great for survival mode, especially when you run commando, put a drum Magazine/Quick eject drum magazine, upgrade its automatic receiver to the highest one possible (which is easy to do), you basically have a early game submachine Gun.
I actualy love pipe rifles with the max machine gun mod and the best-longest barrel best stock and any sight you realy want, and the biggest-best maggazine (it as basicly a never ending pipe machine gun (and i said never ending ammo because pipe ammo is fairly common))
The lower damage for the pipe revolver can be explained by the shorter barrels. I found a pipe pistol that slows time during reloading. Made it into my auto rifle it turned out rather nice.
I dont know why im watching this sense i dont play fallout 4 anymore. Im currently on my 6th fallout new vegas playthrough, and 4th fallout 3 playthrough
1:42 * Revolver-type weapons lose some gas pressure through the opening between the cylinder and the barrel, so all else being equal, they'll have a lower muzzle velocity than a pistol. * The handgun (revolver or pistol doesn't matter) typically also has a too-short barrel, meaning that the bullet comes out before the propellant gasses have done their work properly. Yes, this does mean that a shorter-barreled weapon will victually always be both louder *and* less potent than a weapon with a proper-length barrel. Remember: Noise = Waste.
Avirex Moonblood But with a gunslinger build you use VATS and luck build. Save some crits with Crit Banker, get Gun Foo, Grim Reapers Sprint, 4 leaf clover then 1. Walk into room with about 20 enemies (big faction bases for example, or ghouls) 2. VATS 3. Crit bank first few enemies to build Gun Foo bonus 4. Use bonus to auto kill 6 more enemies and build more Crits with 4 leaf clover 5. Leave VATS and proc Grim Reapers Sprint 6. Re(a)peat 7. Profit
What a great analysis and discussion. I watched this a while ago and revisited my armoury. You are so right. A pipe rifle, automatic with a couple of perks like concentration fire does HUGE amounts of damage. So much cheaper to run too, allow you to save the really big guns for enemies that deserve them Cheers, you vastly improved my playing experience.
The selling point for me for pipe weapons is they have low item levels, meaning you can loot lock them in easy loot lock locations like the Concord sewer or the radroaches in the Gullet sinkhole. An explosive or kneecapper pipe rifle can be a help well into the game.
I beat basic game, far harbour, nukaworld and at lest 3 mods on survival using almost only automatic pipe rifle with wounding effect, and yes, i'm a masochist with no life
Not really that hard of a run if the pipe weapon has a wounding effect. I cleared the whole game with a wounding double barrel shotgun that I didn't even bother to upgrade.
the kiloton rifle just shouldn't be in the game its that powerful. if you have the nuclear physicist perk you do like 200 rad damage, potentially 100 raw damage, and then an AOE blast radius that increases in power with the demolition perk, yet people tend to go for the spray and pray and never bother buying it's cheaper, more powerful and more up-gradable sister.
If you can get a pipe rifle with a good legendary effect early on, it'll last you ages. I have a bleeding effect on my pipe rifle and it's actually op early to mid game.
I dont get super excited when i find a legendary pipe weapon... but i get what you mean. I agree early game i found a pipe pistol of a raider that was pimped out already except silencer and i got use out of that thing because of the common ammo so i agree. Nice video
The armor piercing receivers really seemed to make the auto pipe pistols pack a bit more punch in the midgame. I never could bring myself to waste .45 on the submachine guns! My go-to after about lv 20 was a .45 semi-auto combat rifle, until I found a staggering legendary AR that is just absolutely fantastic. Though at Lv 44 it is more like Gauss Rifles and Plasmaguns than Combat Rifles and .44s :)
also i reccomend replaying a few more times, some of the quests are really expansive in NV, and at least their are mods to add in guns that were in previous fallouts
I did restart playing fallout new vegas and im having lots of fun, mainly because of the difficulty and the differents quests and weapons, i stoped playing fallout 4 for some time because it was just too easy, even in the very hard :/ but both are great games
I got a penetrating pipe rifle. Give that shit an Auto AP receiver, and you start questioning why you should shoot Mirelurks in the face anymore. An Instigating Pipe Revolver pistol is also nice. I got one and called it "The Ol' Wasteland Hello". Served me well into my playthroughs because it still one shot people.
The nice thing about pipe revolvers is really high early damage, and hilariously low requirements for modding. Definitely my favorite early game weapon. Even mid game, if you upgrade it to .308, it's still nasty.
I'm doing a playthrough of my fan build of Critical Role's Percy de Rolo. Still in the early game, but I've got a pretty well-upgraded pipe revolver and bolt action pipe sniper rifle that act as the Pepperbox and Bad News 1.0. :D
Actually i think "Scrap" is a better title for them When was the last time you found a perfectly good wooden plank in a dumpster? Meanwhile you can find alot more of that stuff in a Scrap-yard
my problem with pipe weapons isnt that they are too weak; it's that they are too STRONG. They're ugly, ramshackle guns that don't become obsolete fast enough, and heavily overstay their welcome as they continue to outshine other, cooler weapons well into the mid and even late-game.
I did find an automatic pipe rifle that had a bottomless clip effect so I had to make it with a small clip to reduce weight. Plus, I made the weapon use its weakest ammunition because I gather a lot of it. But with the rifleman or cammando perks, the bottomless clip weapon proved effective enough to be a decent weapon for dealing damage against most targets, especially since I'm mostly playing without using vats.
Apart from the revolver I hate the way they look though, and for me that's a very big thing on choosing a weapon. Tbh I noticed on a lot of your vids you don't really take aesthetics into account, i remember the toilet parts synth armor being a top armour on one of your vids and i was like 'WTF? how can anyone like that?' Not a gripe just an observation.
It's been awhile, but I remember using pipe weapons some times even in the late-mid game. The reason being the one I used had an ammo type (i forget which) that didn't use on any other weapons and had a SHIT TON of. So....when ever I was in low risk areas I would pull out the piple gun and save the heavy stuff for when things got dicey.
There's actually a magazine you can find in FO4 from the Guns and Bullets set that has a pipe revolver on it BEFORE the bombs fell. I think its there as a sort of time capsule as the government before the great war banned/collected all weapons from the general public and then the street gangs started to make these crude but reasonably effective pipe weapons as a "fuck you" to the government.
i remember getting a plasma infused pipe rifle. I was so excited I fast travelled home to sanctuary got it into the weapon workbench and found out it was the bolt action version. ...I was crushed since this character was a commando.
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Maybe it's just me, but I UTTERLY HATE the pipe weapons in Fallout. Not because of what they are, but because they look so damn awful. Like, I installed Yona's Defense Gun and use the optional mod that uses that model as a replacement (the Defense Gun itself looks something like a Sten gun). Because THAT'S WHAT PIPE WEAPONS LOOK LIKE! Not a random block of fucking wood with nails hanging out and fucking Star Wars blaster rifle finned barrel extensions for no god damn reason. And, worse yet, the vanilla Fallout pipe guns are even textured lazily. It's just this amorphous blob of orange and red and brown that is supposed to be rusted metal and wood arranged to make a gun... but... no. It doesn't make sense how they look like they do. It's shit.
+SZECHUAN SAUCE _"Actually the physics on the finned barrel checks out and is accurate in real life."_ Yes, I saw BRT Gaming's video on pipe weapons as well. Unfortunately, finned barrel extensions *_DO NOT_* check out. For a counter-balance, having something heavy enough on the muzzle of your rifle to mitigate recoil would also be large enough to make it unwieldy and cumbersome. Front-heavy rifles are also a pain in the ass to carry around constantly as well. Compensators/muzzle brakes would be far more effective and probably take less effort to make (and wouldn't be as heavy). As far as heat sinks, they're more effective in that than as a counter-weight (if you take the barrel jacket/shroud off a Lewis gun, the radiator underneath it would look somewhat similar - ironically, Bethesda seems to have slapped similar looking shit onto the Assault Rifle for whatever reason. Someone at BGS really has a hard-on for Lewis guns, it seems), but the game mechanics also don't address overheating nor do the stat changes seem to indicate that's what is changed. Also, this method isn't really used anymore and bull/larger diameter barrels are several times more effective at absorbing and dissipating heat than a finned radiator. There's just no damn reason for it to exist on the gun outside of "hey, that looks like the Star Wars blaster, that's cool). Especially when you consider the amount of time and effort it would take to weld all those damn fins onto the barrel shroud/jacket extension and it would do basically nothing to justify it.
The late game replacement for the pipe gun is the Overseer's Guardian with .38 receiver. Same damage as a regular Combat Rifle with .308 receiver, though it does not have the rate of fire boost.
I didn't realise for a long time that you can get heaps more ammo by picking up guns off dead enemies and then dropping or selling them. You essentially get the ammo that was in the gun as well as the few extra rounds in their inventory that you pick up normally. Doing this yields sufficient ammo for most semi auto weapons (not so much revolvers and hunting rifle, as their magazine is small). If you're willing to swap between a couple of weapons periodically, you could probably maintain ammo supply for fully automatic weapons as well.
I noticed another benefit to using a pipe as a close quarters or backup weapon. There is no safety or power on animation. That means the gun is shooting slightly faster then say a 10 mm (safety) or a laser pistol (power on). If you have ghouls or dogs charging you that 1 second animation can mean the difference between being saved by the pipe or taking a hit.
In the late game I have only found use for one pipe weapon and it's real specific. My first character was a gunslinger and no matter what level he reached (I last left him about 130 I think) I never invested in alternate combat skills. he's all pistols all the time. The Bolt Action Pipe pistol allows him to have a heavy hitting, silenced, sniper pistol with excellent range. It's the only weapon of it's kind for gunslingers. That character usually carries at least four different pistols for different situations, but that one in particular has been a constant companion ever since he had access to the top tier mods for it (which being a Pipe weapon was pretty early). I've also found in the early-mid game, where you have plenty of weapons not not huge amounts of ammo it is good to pass on decent Pipe weapons (automatics with legendary effects mostly) to companions. They do well enough with them and you can hoard all the good ammo for yourself. Especially useful if you are running a commando build. Meanwhile the spare non-pipe weapons go to settlers as they only need one ammo anyway.
I always get way too excited when I get a pipe gun with the crippling effect, makes most enemies a joke because you can quickly and cheaply disable deathclaws and the like.
With ranks in the Scrapper perk, Pipe guns with mods on them are quite useful for scrapping for resources. They're common to find with at least one or two mods on them on your average Raider or Super Mutant, and they can provide a decent amount of good materials with multiple ranks in Scrapper. Plus, they're cheap to buy from Settlement-built Weapon Kiosks and their .38 Ammo is good to use as merchandise to sell if you don't intend on really using it.
I like them I feel if they needed an upgrade it be good to add a pipe shotgun that is a good weapon and would help if they don't add a scope to it and would also help if they added a few upgrades for it
I do have a pipe rifle with the Explosive legendary effect. The problem is that that character also has an Explosive Minigun, rendering it obsolete. It does still have a use, though: farming Nuka-Cade tickets via the Bandit Roundup arcade game.
I just like how the pipe weapons are made purley of salvage. It really gives a wastelandish feeling.
But then again, there's the railroad rifle.
A Level 20 Warbear 100 damage of pinned heads
My main use for pipe weapons late game is as a high capacity automatic pipe pistol that I use to clean up trash that I don't want to waste more expensive ammo on.
like when you down a ghoul, or face basic raiders.
usually i carry round a combat knife and sell .38 ammo for 1 per round but it can't hurt to use it
I like a bit of range, even if they can't do anything more than tickle me.
Just use a combat rifle with 38. ammo
i did that to
EminemSlimShade tf? Combat rifles are trash with .38 receiver. Get a powerful automatic
I just wish I could get a regular reflex sight on a pipe weapon, instead of that weird one with the 2 screws...
biostemm its called a mod
Yes, I realize that... I was more referring to it being in the base vanilla game - if you can equip a pipe weapon with a recon scope, then the better reflex sight should have been available...
biostemm yeah its extremely inprecise
I think the screws and bolts give them more character, so that's one aspect I like about them.
Ive downloaded a mod that reskins the PWs. Leaving the Damage and all that Vanilla. That reskin fits the whole Game much better. I just dont like how they look. If Bethesda woudlve used real darker wood textures and steel instead of making them this yellowish it woudlve been fine with me.
Thing I hate about pipe weapons is that they can be found in safes and plenty of places they shouldn't be.
I believe pipe guns where around before the war, as poor mans firearms nearly everyone could build themselves. There is even a perk magazine in Gunners Plaza, titled "Street Guns of Massachuchets" or something. If we go from there, finding pipe weapons in almost every place.
Nah...you Wouldnt find them in a military base locked magazine
Wikterror 2807 the gunners plaza wasn't a military base pre war, it was the Galaxy News Network HQ and broadcasting center...
Romeo i passed the speach cheak and didn't need to pay 3 fusion cores to get in
SonsOfLorgar so even less probable
Pipe weapons ironically would work best in the older fallouts when weapons and armor had degrading condition. they naturally wouldve been easy to maintain and repair, and their cheap nature would have made them VERY desirable because those games had a tougher economy.
But in fallout 4 there are no conditions, you make FAR more money, and on top of this things just generally cost less. which is unfortunate.
Cheap to repair, yes, but their condition should degrade much, MUCH faster than an actual gun like a 10mm pistol.
yeah but pipe weapons would be easier to come by. point is they'd make a great early game weapon. shame there is no early game in fallout 4
Rational Skeptic you my friend clearly have not done your research. Busy right now, more on why later
Doesn't matter if you've put in 5 hours or 500; time doesn't make your opinion correct, facts do. Giving players a power armor that increases their damage resistance by ten FOLD over the best set of armor they can acquire very early game (heavy raider armor). Heavy raider armor, the full set, has a DR of 50. regular t45 armor has a base of 500. the frame by itself has a DR of 60. which means at level, what, 4? you've already entirely eliminated the early game in terms of armor; especially since the game practically gives you all the fusion cores nonstop. and it can quickly be upgraded to t45-b without any perks.
as for weapons, the laser musket deals about as much damage as the hunting rifle, but its all energy damage; most enemies have lower energy resistance than regular DR, which makes this weapon, especially when upgraded, more effective than most long range weapons in the mid game.
and you're just given these things, as well as your choice of two companions (dogmeat and codsworth) with zero fucking effort, thus allowing you to just take everything on looting excursions. This removes the early game requirement in previous fallouts that made you triage what loot you would bring back, until you managed to get a companion.
Rational Skeptic you catch that response
I'm just sad that Bethesda got rid of SO many weapons, like the 10mm SMG, Repeater, Chinese Assault Rifle, ETC. I feel like FO3 & NV did MUCH better in the Weapons Category.
clubasquirrel I feel the large diversity was cut due to weapon modifications options. Would of been nice to have more heavy weapon options.
Rational Skeptic unless it was in a location deemed to dangerous to explore at the time. Also the fact that someone could have placed it their more recently like a scavenger, raider, or mercenary group, then died without letting anyone know about it. Not everything is so easily accessible as you would think.
clubasquirrel NV did better than 4
Carlos colon just saying that without context is just complete garbage. Would you like to elaborate.
They did, I miss the 9mm guns in New Vegas. There's not many weapons I like in F04. I've came across several high-tier weapons but I always go back to my trusty Hunting Rifle and 10mm. ... If that says anything. >,,>
Ah yeah, the Chinese Assault Rifle. I miss that as well now that you mention it; I have a fascination for Chinese tech in the series so I immediately grabbed one in F03. Thankfully there is a Chinese officer's sword that you can use in F04 on the other hand, but it is saddening that there isn't much else besides that.
There are always better options then a pipe weapon, but they are cheap, ammo is everywhere, and most importantly they can get the job done.
For sniper rifle kills in pistol form there aren't any other options than a bolt action pipe pistol. The other silenced weapons available (all two of them) have far shorter ranges and less damage up front. Rifle users can move on to several other options but they simply don't exist for pistol users. That's not to say there aren't great pistols out there, but none that do that specific role for that specific (gunslinger) build.
Kenneth Graves that's exactly what he said in the video..
Remember getting a silenced bold action pipe pistol early in my first playthrough.
Awesome to get those stealthy kills without risk of surviving, yelling enemies.
Kenneth Graves they were the Standard gun to all my settlement security forces but then get replaced with the handmaid rifle as that does way better damage and I can mass-produce on the fly
They're good until lv20-25 or so.
0:21 the protectron is the most powerful robot in fallout, doesn't get affected by laws of physics lol
not after i take them out .
Lol I saw that
@john smith I hope nobody takes that out of context
Lol
I like Pipe Weapons. More than any other weapon type, they make me feel like "This is mine". Namely pipe snipers and revolvers. They may not be the strongest, but they are the most fun upgrading, and the most "Fallout", to me anyway. On a lot of characters I've had, I've always had at least 1 pipe weapon with me from beginning to end game. Early on just to make do, but then on simply because of their amazing ammo reserves. I'll sacrifice a little damage to be able to utilize common ammunition in my backup guns. My only wish is that there could have been more advanced part mods which were in much better condition. No rust and things like that. Just to really nail home the journey of a weapon you may have had your entire game by giving it some needed boosts and a nicer construction.
Cole Jenkins That, actually, is a cool idea. Not unlike what they did with the nuka world weapons I think it would need multiple perks in areas you maybe would not 100% expect to upgrade it. Make it so you can really do the scavver look.
Fuck off
Cole Jenkins Have you tried the Handmade Revolver or Crude Blowback by asXas?
I have an automatic pipe rifle with explosive on it that I named "The One". it was the first weapon my character found in the game. I may have modded the property onto it but my character will have it from beginning to end game and I second the notion of having something to show where the weapon came from to get where it is now.
Cole Jenkins thats sad
I literally went all the way through the game up to level 70 using a fully upgraded pipe pistol. It was so versatile and worked great in every fight.
I find it ironic that people shit on pipe weapons but almost everyone respects the sub machine gun even though it's worse
Pootis Man the only thing sub machine guns seem to be good at is getting money from vendors. Their secondary highly "useful" trait of wasting 45 caliber ammo.
The regular SMGs have one good purpose: giving the player up to 100 extra .45 rounds when picking up the weapon from a fallen enemy. Even if you don't use .45 ammo yourself it can be converted into 100 or 200 caps to use on something you do want.
Screw the submachine gun. It's awful. So are pipe weapons.
Everyone respects Sub Machine guns? That simply isn't true. But anyway, The Sub Machine Gun does have about double the ammo of an automatic pipe pistol. I believe it is more stable in general too. The big problem with the SMG is that for the brief period of time where they are actually useful as a weapon, you don't tend to have buckets of .45 ammo and because you know a combat rifle is likely not far off chances are you'll want to save that up anyway. By the time .45 is plentiful the gun is simply too weak and limited (baring the top legendary effects like bleeding or explosive). Mostly though SMG's main purpose seems to be selling them for cash. That means they are very useful, just not as actual weapons.
...Who the hell likes the vanilla Sub-Machine Gun in Fallout 4? It's shit. Uses .45 ACP, which is probably even less common than 10mm, it's heavy, has few customization options and its damage is pretty shitty - especially for the ammo. The only positive thing about the vanilla SMG is Spray n Pray... and pretty much any automatic weapon is going to effective with explosive rounds and a 100 round drum.
Personally, without mods (which is about on par with ranking decaffeinated coffee on the scale of pointlessness and stupid pursuits), the only ballistic weapons I care for in vanilla Fallout 4 are the 10mm pistol, Combat Rifle/Shotgun and especially the Handmade rifle. Assault rifle may, on paper, be great but outside of excellent recoil management I hate them because they look terrible and they're heavy as fuck, and the Combat Rifle fills an almost identical role while allowing more leeway in late-game upgrades for damage. Laser and Plama weapons are also more rewarding and fun to use in Fallout 4 than in 3.
I like the pipe revolver. Something about a silenced revolver sniper rifle is just fun too me
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RufescentEAGLE sad
Remember how many guns New Vegas had? It was like a 2nd amendment wetdream. What happened?
Master Rafferty I also liked the fact that you could use more ammo types.
Yeah, the weapons were really varying in 4 it just kinda seems like they pushed getting into different weapon types (laser, bullet, plasma, etc.) to boost your damage.
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In guns:
Fallout 3 was the most bland one
Fallout New Vegas gave lots of options, but had limited gunplay
Fallout 4 gave options but tried keeping it more casual, above your average players dont like that but they did improve much of the gunplay
What I would want:
Durability options from the armor to some of the weapons
Pre war guns would just need a tap of oil, a few springs and screws
Pipe weapons would need the whole barrel remade, but would be a little cheaper than now to make
Bullet types would be nice, but it must not be at the cost of people not using energy weapons anymore
Modifications and quote, end quote, "unique weapons"
New Vegas took place in Nevada, Fallout 4 takes place in Massachusetts. Compare the gun laws of both of those states and, considering that what one finds in a Fallout game is influenced by whatever was there before the bombs fell, it is clear why there will be more guns in New Vegas, and less guns in Fallout 4, and why it would be more common to find homemade guns in Fallout 4 than in New Vegas.
I love the pipe rifle as you can upgrade it fully with only gun but rank 2. That means I can have a full auto with a drum mag by level 14. That’s amazing early on plus .38 is light for survival
You can get all that earlier than that and save yourself two perks of gun nut.
Pipe weapons are most common weapon, you telling me you couldn’t find a pipe weapons with attachments you like to mod your pipe rifle?
One of the first legendary weapons that I had was pipe pistol with the Wounding effect.
I turned it into an automatic rifle and it remained OP until the end-game.
Personally I kinda like the pipe revolver - made me create my first Fallout 4 weapon mod, now it has become part of my standard loadout. ^^
Also: automatic kneecapper pipe pistol ftw!
Don't really care much for the vanilla pipe revolver, but asXas' pipe revolver is really awesome and well done and a joy to use. Highly customizable and nearly every change to the gun is represented on it.
I created a pipe revolver rifle out of it, the 6-Shot. Got a complete visual overhaul, has a large bayonet attached to it (the one from the missile launcher), and can use 8 different calibers, each one also providing a different side effect. For example, 5mm ammo deals bleed damage and bypasses all physical ammo, 10mm ammo is extremely AP efficient in VATS, 44 magnum has a chance to knock enemies over (stacks with the Sniper02 perk), and .50 cal deals 125 damage by default and staggers enemies (also has enhanced AP).
44WarmocK77 yea that would be sick actualy
It's a good mod. I recommend downloading it
seriously overpowered weapon, particularly if used against ghouls and synths, whose legs come off.
(even more so if you use dismemberment overhaul)
pipe weapons and the whole .38acp ammo in fallout is for spam-legendaries. *grabs wounding rapid auto pipe pistol*
Valtteri Nummela Lets play/vlog
*".38 ACP"*
.38 Spc. Is what you meant, and sorry to correct you on such a minor and arbitrary detail
@@thegreycrusader I don't know since they actually work relatively well in automatics and semi automatics I believe that it's actually 38 Auto instead of 38 Special. I could be wrong though.
@@jaredchinchello1760shamelessly fast reply. I didn't know that ammo existed.
@@thegreycrusader I mean that's understandable, it's not really very popular anymore.
@@jaredchinchello1760 considering I've never heard of it I'd say so.
Likes pipe weapons
*Puts them on "Top 5 Worst Rifles"*
No shit.....I seen the video for top 5 worst
He needs to make up his mind!
Well... It really depends on your definition of good and bad. If it simply means power then yes, pipe weapons are pretty bad. They don't deal as much damage as most other weapons. If you mean bad as in "not worth using" then they are actually fairly decent.
Pipe pistols have more range for some reason than pipe rifles.
Liking something and thinking something is good are two completely different things.
Im glad that you made something to defend the pipe weapons because every other youtuber i have watch never give them a chance because of the better late game weapons i think it was cool they added something new to the name
Yeah, there are better late game weapons, but in my opinion nothing is a better early sniper rifle than the pipe revolver with a stock and scope.
Even now at level 48, I still have a regular pipe rifle as a mid-range rifle meant to start engagements and clean up raiders because I got one to drop with the Incendiary effect. So, when I could finally swap my Overseer's Guardian to .308, I pulled it out of it's case and swapped it to .45 since I had about 1400 rounds of .45 by them. Its still my side-arm/backup weapon to this day for ammo purposes.
tommy dude
I always kept this short pipe rifle with a quick eject mag and a fully upgraded .38 fully automatic receiver simply because it was light and allowed me not to use heavy weapons with expensive ammo against bloatflies and ghouls
I started a new playthrough to get the bobbleheads (having the game for like a year and I've never done this) and a Poisoned Pipe Rifle I named Lockjaw dropped. I keep it .38 with the quick eject drum mag for raiders/gunners.
Fun fact: the Pipe Bolt Action rifle is almost identical to a fully modded Hunting Rifle turned Sniper Rifle, with the damage difference being only 8. And the Pipe Bolt Action is only 1/3 of the weight, meaning that the Hunting/Sniper Rifle is actually completely and utterly pointless, if not outright worse than the Pipe Bolt Action when considering weight-performance ratio.
when youre lvl 210 not even a fat man is enought to kill a raider... the HP goes up crazy af
4 real
oof size large
Unless you play on Easy.
Man what in the heck u do after like lvl. 100 when u already done everything including DLC?
Very easy
All of my years playing this game I have never actually used a pipe weapon
Yeah, i upgrade the 10 mm pistol up to the maximum and, with the kellog pistol, r my main weapons
Yes they were intended as early game weapons. However, (largely thanks to the removal of weapon and armor condition) there really is no early game in fallout 4. within the first hour of gameplay you end up with a sizable arsenal of far more powerful weapons and a suit of power armor. Players never really have a need, and thus no desire, to use pipe weapons. Hell even the starting 10mm pistol you get is far better than the pipe weapons you find, and you get an absurdly plentiful amount of ammo for it.
The early game is so horrifically bungled, its actually recommended you avoid concord and lexington and sweep down through abernathy farm and around into diamond city, as you end up with an early game thats not only more lore friendly, but also less noob friendly. Its also far too easy to earn caps and better guns. so theres really no "early" game. you kind of just start at a mid-game level of weapons.
Nah. Concord and Lexington for the most part have weak weapons. Laser Musket, 10mm Pistol and Pipe guns are just about it. I'd hardly call those good guns at all. Also the introduction to Power Armor in the beginning doesn't break the early game. Power Armor requires Fusion Cores and those are incredibly hard to find anyway, so that in itself is balanced, because by the time you kill the Deathclaw in main storyline, the first Fusion Core is almost gone. You can't use the armor again until you deviate a bit from the main quest.
It's not until you discover Cambridge Police Station (BoS storyline) that's when you get some actual good guns (Institute Rifle and Righteous Authority)
too bad they got rid of the Condition/Jam mechanics for weapons. Because pipe weapons would not shine with those mechanics. They would stop working after a few shots. eheh
Mr. Coffee BUT would be super easy to fix
Mr. Coffee My issue with repairing is that you have to have multiple of one gun to repair it. If you really like let’s say a super sledge, you barely ever find them so it just keeps breaking. If condition of weapons were to come back it would be good to have to use scrap parts like how you can repair power armor with scrap parts. I think it’s just dumb to make you carry multiple guns just so you can continue using them.
DeathDragon7050 fair point
Jury Rigging, the perk that defines the weapons degradation system and jamming
They could have made it into it with a bit of work
Costing oil and sometimes needing to use spare parts or make them on the workbench
And the fact that bolt action weapons are most reliable and least maintenance heavy, giving good reason to use pipe weapons as cheap alternatives for ammo that would otherwise be useless
Maybe in the future
I found a legendary pipe rifle with the plasma effect on my first play-through. That thing was extremely helpful. Even when I stopped using it, I gave it to a settler to help fight off attackers.
This made me want to use pipe weapons
I already do I have a fully modded automatic pipe rifle its pretty nice
I gave myself a wounding automatic pipe rifle just for kicks and that thing is stupid good at stacking bleed damage, I'm pretty sure that you can us it as a late game weapon if you got one with that perk. This gun will only start to really struggle after enemies begin appearing with 1000+ health.
I have a explosive pipe rifle that I named overpowered AS SHIT
I started playing the game this week, and this semiautomatic .38 pipe rifle I found is _much_ more effective against feral ghouls than my sawed-off shotgun, especially due to the huge amount of .38 ammunition I've found (I'm almost constantly over a thousand rounds), which allows me to put a lot of bullets "downrange" into enemies, as opposed to the shotgun, which only allows me to fire two shots before I have to reload again, opening the window for the ghouls to rush my ass
As modern military doctrine would suggest, it would seem like sustained fire from lightweight, low-caliber ammunition can be way more effective than raw sdobbin' bawah at medium to close range
Thanks to you I've been on a never ending quest to find a legendary explosive pipe rifle. Haven't found one yet, though I did get an explosive lever action rifle yesterday.
I like the Pipe Weapons. I upgrade them for the XP and then pass them out to my settlers. They're not the best, but it's easy to arm absolutely everyone.
I started doing that before upgrading them for better guns.
I just hope the next Fallout game has a pipe fat-man...
@Antonio Crouchelli Because it's insane. And probably manageable. Imagine a super smart raider making them. The launcher itself doesn't seem all that complicated.
@Antonio Crouchelli That breaking point would likely be related to the air compression system. While there are enough fire extinguishers in the commonwealth, I don't really see any 220 year old pipe containing too much pressure for a long period of time.
@Antonio Crouchelli Excellent.
I found a legendary pipe gun with the +10 energy damage effect, made it auto and it just shreds, it's almost cheaty xD
You wanna hear something amazing?
Plasma Infused Pipe Rifle
2 shots west revolver is even crazier
I'd really like the idea of pipe weapons in a world where durability is still around. They'd be repairable with junk alone, but other weapons require specific repair kits/replacements parts from other of the same weapon.
I freaking love pipe weapons, actually. I tend to prefer the feel of automatics, and given that an auto pipe rifle can be upgraded to near-optimal status with a single rank of Gun Nut, it can be a very powerful early-to-mid game weapon allowing you to cut through lightly-armored enemies like butter at any range. Once I even got lucky enough to get a Mighty pipe rifle very early on... between that and the Deadeye 10mm auto pistol I also found, it was never really even worth bothering with the combat rifle at all.
The pipe weapons are near the top of my favorites. They just look right and fit in, and if you can upgrade them (especially with some mods) they are great guns
They are rusted to shit and held together with wire. It would blow up in your face if this was real.
I'm a huge stickler for my carry weight so I use these guns a lot because of their comparatively light weight and easy to find ammo/mods. The SMG being a Thompson is awesome but I'm not going to lug around a 15 pound gun I rarely find pre modded when one that weighs 5 and was fully decked-out by a raider I shot in the face will do the same job. Same goes for the sniper rifle.
revolvers aren't that great you know, just because a gun is a revolver doesn't magically give it more power.
typically, revolvers use higher power cartridges than automatic pistols, but for the same cartridge, the revolving mechanism doesn't help any.
that 'pipe revolver' has a shorter barrel, and the gap between the barrel and the cylinder can actually cause a loss in pressure and hurt the performance of the gun.
the higher upgrade requirement doesn't make that much sense though, revolvers are mechanically simpler.
1wsx10 the only good one is Kellogs revolver
El Macho Nacho Ese yeah
You get a 44pistol right at the beginning of the game if you bust a left after the sanctuary bridge and keep going til you see the electrical box in the water flip the switch and follow the with up the cliff and you'll find a substation...open the door three caps stash and a 44 and ammo on the ground by a skeleton...be careful f the raiders and mole rats that spawn close to there they killed me a couple times but there's rad away in the box on an air vent there too
Did that once and found that it was impossible to use that pistol because the ammo was nonexistant until much later levels. It was a nice emergency boss slayer weapon, though.
joshua Kim. I had that issue but I just saved the ammo for random unexpected legendary radscorpion attack and alike.
It'll put a 44 pipe revolver to shame. About 20 more base damage!
Or you can make your way to Finch farm then across the water you can see a door that's open a little bit go through it and the door that goes the pump house go down stairs and you'll see a code input device enter 0 4 5 1 (10 4 5 1 because they dont have a 0) and that'll open another door and on the ground next to a skeleton you'll find The Gainer which does 48 base damage and it sets targets on fire
Go to Eleanor. The merchant south of the rationing site right outside of Diamond City. She carries a lot of ammo, including 44. Usually more than any of the vendors in DC.
the bleeding damage pipe .38 SMG shredded everything, i generally never used it unless completely necessary because it was so broken. You could put 10-15 round into something like a behemoth and hide and the thing would just drop like a sack of potatoes while you were behind cover.
Mancomb .Seepwood i haven't played fallout but have been watching some videos. I'm kinda old - but seriously considering getting back in to video games.
anyway - when you say the gun was broken, with context - it was so CRAZY overpowered and a behemoth must be a pretty strong enemy, it's not "fair" or fun to use? with the.38 ammo talked about in the video? just curious - I've never played a fallout game. .38 ammo is .38 ammo in "the real world" and try & auto fire it all you want - it's still .38 - I'm guessing from the videos that I'm watching there are different game mechanics that not only let you upgrade your weapons but also your skills which all combine to deal more damage. I kind of always heard Fallout was supposed to be a realistic kind of game but some of this is a bit ridiculous seems like some of the modern video game hand-holding I see. BUT it's a game and looks awesome. but then you talk about survival mode and maybe that the real game LOL I need somebody to sponsor me with a console I'll buy the PC and do the gruntled old gamer PC vs console Channel. you all heard it here first if you take my idea I will sue you. HAHAHAHA that's a troll. But seriously - that's my idea. the entire concept. especially the gruntled gamer, gruntled old gamer, all variants and anything resembling anything even tangential but also directly related to anything in this post.
ok that's done. Brilliant.
Anyway - here's the question is Fallout a good enough game series to buy a modern console just to play? also are my statements at the beginning of this post correct regarding my assumptions about the game
Mark Vickroy yeah, you’re statements about it are correct, and yes I believe that the series is good enough to buy a console for. You can buy an Xbox 1 and get fallout 4, fallout new Vegas, and possibly 3 on it. But you would have to buy the 360 edition of new Vegas and 3 because those games also work on the Xbox 1 and haven’t been released with their own Xbox 1 version.
An automatic pipe weapon with wounding effect is good enough for beginning to the end of the game. Even behemoth s and deathclaws. Just spray down anything repeatedly, big or small that's in your way, and it's down shortly. I have gunsmith extended installed that lets you put effects on guns after unlocking certain perks. I loving taking an enchanted weapon that was acquired, and sticking another enchantment on it, like they wounding effect. Currently I have a kneecapper automatic pipe pistol, with wounding effect added. Behemoths beware!
4:58 ... "begs the question" means "assumes facts not yet in evidence". It does not mean "leads to the question".
"Begs the question: raise a question or point that has not been dealt with; invite an obvious question."
I think you're right in that something that begs the question often does assume facts not yet established but it is this assumption that leads to a question.
I quite enjoyed a pipe bolt-action .308 sniper on a survival playthrough. The damage isn't as much as a hunting rifle but it weighed only around 8-9 lbs compared to a hunting rifle that was at 15-18 lbs. Half the weight at almost the same stats? the damage was less, but it didn't make that much of a difference and the free carrying capacity was quite useful.
Quite a good video puma.
minecraft code absolutely.High quality as always.
I once had a instigating pipe revolver, It really was the best stealth pistol ever. Being able to switch between the .45 and .308 receiver's made life so easy. Also it has a decent fire rate, something that the bolt action pistols didn't have. Ammo capacity might've been low but I just put points into quick hands and that problem went away fast. Then ofcourse there was all the mods for it, settled on a comfort grip with a short recon scope, and a long ported barrel with a suppressor.
Furious legendary effect is great on the Pipe gun. 15% extra damage each consecutive shot is great, and quickly gets up to double or triple damage and beyond.
Explosive is great if you upgrade the explosives perk.
The effect that makes enemies bleed is great because the effect stacks with each shot.
Basically anything with consecutive damage is good.
They’re great for survival mode, especially when you run commando, put a drum Magazine/Quick eject drum magazine, upgrade its automatic receiver to the highest one possible (which is easy to do), you basically have a early game submachine Gun.
I actualy love pipe rifles with the max machine gun mod and the best-longest barrel best stock and any sight you realy want, and the biggest-best maggazine (it as basicly a never ending pipe machine gun (and i said never ending ammo because pipe ammo is fairly common))
The lower damage for the pipe revolver can be explained by the shorter barrels. I found a pipe pistol that slows time during reloading. Made it into my auto rifle it turned out rather nice.
I dont know why im watching this sense i dont play fallout 4 anymore. Im currently on my 6th fallout new vegas playthrough, and 4th fallout 3 playthrough
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* Revolver-type weapons lose some gas pressure through the opening between the cylinder and the barrel, so all else being equal, they'll have a lower muzzle velocity than a pistol.
* The handgun (revolver or pistol doesn't matter) typically also has a too-short barrel, meaning that the bullet comes out before the propellant gasses have done their work properly.
Yes, this does mean that a shorter-barreled weapon will victually always be both louder *and* less potent than a weapon with a proper-length barrel.
Remember: Noise = Waste.
Made a gunslinger, kills almost everything in 5 hits without vats, ammo is not a problem especially if you get scavenger...
Avirex Moonblood this isn't cod man
Avirex Moonblood But with a gunslinger build you use VATS and luck build. Save some crits with Crit Banker, get Gun Foo, Grim Reapers Sprint, 4 leaf clover then
1. Walk into room with about 20 enemies (big faction bases for example, or ghouls)
2. VATS
3. Crit bank first few enemies to build Gun Foo bonus
4. Use bonus to auto kill 6 more enemies and build more Crits with 4 leaf clover
5. Leave VATS and proc Grim Reapers Sprint
6. Re(a)peat
7. Profit
Jake Stavinsky We know buttttt..... Its boring okay! I don't wanna be op!
I use a two shot .50 cal silenced pipe pistol with a sneak/sniper build. It works pretty well.
That bastard killed tour bot
What a great analysis and discussion. I watched this a while ago and revisited my armoury. You are so right. A pipe rifle, automatic with a couple of perks like concentration fire does HUGE amounts of damage. So much cheaper to run too, allow you to save the really big guns for enemies that deserve them Cheers, you vastly improved my playing experience.
Only good thing about pipe weapon is when you stop using it, feels amazing
The selling point for me for pipe weapons is they have low item levels, meaning you can loot lock them in easy loot lock locations like the Concord sewer or the radroaches in the Gullet sinkhole. An explosive or kneecapper pipe rifle can be a help well into the game.
I beat basic game, far harbour, nukaworld and at lest 3 mods on survival using almost only automatic pipe rifle with wounding effect, and yes, i'm a masochist with no life
The Toaster thats unhealthy
I had a wounding pipe rifle and i never needed to use any other weapon.
Not really that hard of a run if the pipe weapon has a wounding effect. I cleared the whole game with a wounding double barrel shotgun that I didn't even bother to upgrade.
the kiloton rifle just shouldn't be in the game its that powerful.
if you have the nuclear physicist perk you do like 200 rad damage, potentially 100 raw damage, and then an AOE blast radius that increases in power with the demolition perk, yet people tend to go for the spray and pray and never bother buying it's cheaper, more powerful and more up-gradable sister.
Holy Shit it's the Toaster from FNV: Old World Blues!
You and Muggy are the two best characters in that entire DLC
If you can get a pipe rifle with a good legendary effect early on, it'll last you ages. I have a bleeding effect on my pipe rifle and it's actually op early to mid game.
only good thing about pipe weapons is the fact that their ammo is easy to find in large amounts
It FO4 ever had the weapons degradation system back and Jury Rigging perk is also brought back, i will use these
I dont get super excited when i find a legendary pipe weapon... but i get what you mean. I agree early game i found a pipe pistol of a raider that was pimped out already except silencer and i got use out of that thing because of the common ammo so i agree. Nice video
I like the video, but I gotta disagree with the plasma flamer. I find it a hilariously lethal weapon, especially if you have two shot or kneecapper.
But those legendary effects make any gun lethal.
shame it burns through quite rare and pricey ammo though. would however recommend using in a high luck high charisma build.
Greg V. I got a assassins plasma thrower
I agree, the plasma thrower is pretty damn good in my opinion. Tho it does burn thru ammo quickly. With staggering legendary it's pretty op!
yeah I have one with a plus damage boost. It's great when I'm backed in a corner, nothing survives. Named it 'The Jade Dragon'.
For me :
Why pipe weapons are good :
Very flexible (Meaning you can use more combinations)
And ammo is really common and cheap
Overseers guardian and Deliverer is all thats needed, 'nuff said. maybe an epic gauss riffle too
Damien Lawler but in survival
Exploding/Wounding Shotgun
Explosive Minigun
Wounding Gatling Laser
Two-Shot Gauss Rifle
Phew! Where are the cough sweets?!
The armor piercing receivers really seemed to make the auto pipe pistols pack a bit more punch in the midgame. I never could bring myself to waste .45 on the submachine guns! My go-to after about lv 20 was a .45 semi-auto combat rifle, until I found a staggering legendary AR that is just absolutely fantastic.
Though at Lv 44 it is more like Gauss Rifles and Plasmaguns than Combat Rifles and .44s :)
I would like more weapons in the game
I fell like there is like only ~10 while fallout new vegas has a lot of different weapons
Actully i like both, an i replayed fallout 4 five times, while i only played foNV 1 time i just want more weapons on the game
"don't critique a genuine flaw with a sequel that takes away from the experience"
also i reccomend replaying a few more times, some of the quests are really expansive in NV, and at least their are mods to add in guns that were in previous fallouts
I did restart playing fallout new vegas and im having lots of fun, mainly because of the difficulty and the differents quests and weapons, i stoped playing fallout 4 for some time because it was just too easy, even in the very hard :/ but both are great games
David Ryder
If anybody here is a fanboy, it's YOU.
Kneecapper's pipe pistol in early game survival (lvl 6) with gunslinger is so good.
I only like Pipe Rifles Because I got a very nice legendary pipe rifle, other than that, they're terrible
Haha no, Pipe Rifle With a +25% Bonus to damage and +15% accuracy, plus it was modded very well
I got a penetrating pipe rifle.
Give that shit an Auto AP receiver, and you start questioning why you should shoot Mirelurks in the face anymore.
An Instigating Pipe Revolver pistol is also nice. I got one and called it "The Ol' Wasteland Hello". Served me well into my playthroughs because it still one shot people.
I will definitely try using Piper Revolvers at some point as in my 50 hours in the game, I haven't touched them once :P
The nice thing about pipe revolvers is really high early damage, and hilariously low requirements for modding. Definitely my favorite early game weapon. Even mid game, if you upgrade it to .308, it's still nasty.
I'm doing a playthrough of my fan build of Critical Role's Percy de Rolo. Still in the early game, but I've got a pretty well-upgraded pipe revolver and bolt action pipe sniper rifle that act as the Pepperbox and Bad News 1.0. :D
I enjoy pipe weapons because you can modify a pistol into a sniper rifle which is what i was hoping for each gun when fallout 4 was announced
Pipe weapons are actual garbage
Yes, pipe weapons are garbage, because they're "A crude, homemade weapon". *but it's good garbage*
A garbage weapon with best *Legendary* effects.
Louis Yeh Yeh technically
Louis Yeh Yeh But they sell really good.
Actually i think "Scrap" is a better title for them
When was the last time you found a perfectly good wooden plank in a dumpster?
Meanwhile you can find alot more of that stuff in a Scrap-yard
The more I play fallout the more I just like the junk look of pipe weapons
Pipe guns would make more sense in new vegas.
my problem with pipe weapons isnt that they are too weak; it's that they are too STRONG. They're ugly, ramshackle guns that don't become obsolete fast enough, and heavily overstay their welcome as they continue to outshine other, cooler weapons well into the mid and even late-game.
Pipe wepons good
BOIIIII
I did find an automatic pipe rifle that had a bottomless clip effect so I had to make it with a small clip to reduce weight. Plus, I made the weapon use its weakest ammunition because I gather a lot of it. But with the rifleman or cammando perks, the bottomless clip weapon proved effective enough to be a decent weapon for dealing damage against most targets, especially since I'm mostly playing without using vats.
That title gave me a stroke
It's my understanding that you can get the .50 cal ammo mod for pipe weapons, then does that mean I can have a pistol that shoots .50 caliber bullets?
Apart from the revolver I hate the way they look though, and for me that's a very big thing on choosing a weapon. Tbh I noticed on a lot of your vids you don't really take aesthetics into account, i remember the toilet parts synth armor being a top armour on one of your vids and i was like 'WTF? how can anyone like that?' Not a gripe just an observation.
It's been awhile, but I remember using pipe weapons some times even in the late-mid game. The reason being the one I used had an ammo type (i forget which) that didn't use on any other weapons and had a SHIT TON of. So....when ever I was in low risk areas I would pull out the piple gun and save the heavy stuff for when things got dicey.
i avoid them at all cost
does anyone know how to get that exploding pipe upgrade?
Pipe weapons don't make any goddamn sense though.
There's actually a magazine you can find in FO4 from the Guns and Bullets set that has a pipe revolver on it BEFORE the bombs fell. I think its there as a sort of time capsule as the government before the great war banned/collected all weapons from the general public and then the street gangs started to make these crude but reasonably effective pipe weapons as a "fuck you" to the government.
the military had tons of the good guns and so did Vault-Tec in all the vaults @Romeo.
MegaRazorback emphasis on *Had*
That was 200 years ago.
MegaRazorback It probably was a homemade weapon guide.
i remember getting a plasma infused pipe rifle.
I was so excited I fast travelled home to sanctuary got it into the weapon workbench and found out it was the bolt action version.
...I was crushed since this character was a commando.
Turkey Or Chicken
Hmmm Intriguing
Jacob Dover roast chicken chicken ftw
Does chicken taste like everything or does everything taste like chicken?
Turkey is dry because of low fat but it still the best imo
I really appreciate the way you look at things it really helps me understand some of the actions and products in the game you even really help me understand how to make a build properly to so I really appreciate what you do so keep you in that please I like it thank you
Maybe it's just me, but I UTTERLY HATE the pipe weapons in Fallout. Not because of what they are, but because they look so damn awful. Like, I installed Yona's Defense Gun and use the optional mod that uses that model as a replacement (the Defense Gun itself looks something like a Sten gun). Because THAT'S WHAT PIPE WEAPONS LOOK LIKE! Not a random block of fucking wood with nails hanging out and fucking Star Wars blaster rifle finned barrel extensions for no god damn reason. And, worse yet, the vanilla Fallout pipe guns are even textured lazily. It's just this amorphous blob of orange and red and brown that is supposed to be rusted metal and wood arranged to make a gun... but... no. It doesn't make sense how they look like they do. It's shit.
Actually the physics on the finned barrel checks out and is accurate in real life. I do agree that pipe weapons suck though.
+SZECHUAN SAUCE
_"Actually the physics on the finned barrel checks out and is accurate in real life."_
Yes, I saw BRT Gaming's video on pipe weapons as well. Unfortunately, finned barrel extensions *_DO NOT_* check out. For a counter-balance, having something heavy enough on the muzzle of your rifle to mitigate recoil would also be large enough to make it unwieldy and cumbersome. Front-heavy rifles are also a pain in the ass to carry around constantly as well. Compensators/muzzle brakes would be far more effective and probably take less effort to make (and wouldn't be as heavy).
As far as heat sinks, they're more effective in that than as a counter-weight (if you take the barrel jacket/shroud off a Lewis gun, the radiator underneath it would look somewhat similar - ironically, Bethesda seems to have slapped similar looking shit onto the Assault Rifle for whatever reason. Someone at BGS really has a hard-on for Lewis guns, it seems), but the game mechanics also don't address overheating nor do the stat changes seem to indicate that's what is changed. Also, this method isn't really used anymore and bull/larger diameter barrels are several times more effective at absorbing and dissipating heat than a finned radiator.
There's just no damn reason for it to exist on the gun outside of "hey, that looks like the Star Wars blaster, that's cool). Especially when you consider the amount of time and effort it would take to weld all those damn fins onto the barrel shroud/jacket extension and it would do basically nothing to justify it.
The late game replacement for the pipe gun is the Overseer's Guardian with .38 receiver. Same damage as a regular Combat Rifle with .308 receiver, though it does not have the rate of fire boost.
Overseers guardian>everything else
I found an explosive combat shotgun that I use more than the Overseer's Guardian. Each pellet in an explosive shotgun has the explosive effect.
Welcome to the game. You must be new.
Kevin Smith preach
Der Eugler I used that on my sneak survival character until I found an instigating version of the combat rifle.
Overseers guardian is overpowered af.
I didn't realise for a long time that you can get heaps more ammo by picking up guns off dead enemies and then dropping or selling them. You essentially get the ammo that was in the gun as well as the few extra rounds in their inventory that you pick up normally.
Doing this yields sufficient ammo for most semi auto weapons (not so much revolvers and hunting rifle, as their magazine is small).
If you're willing to swap between a couple of weapons periodically, you could probably maintain ammo supply for fully automatic weapons as well.
Pipe weapons are trash
Atleast they are if you're too dull to properly use them.
Levi Blackwell a full moded pipe machine gun is op in early game dallout 4 and beyond
Conor wilson not really
Louis Yeh Yeh with a special effect they are
Louis Yeh Yeh A fully upgraded automatic pipe rifle is op.
The pipe weapons are my go-to weapon for killing weaker enemies, or when I run out of ammo.
Ha ha ha puma nice joke
I noticed another benefit to using a pipe as a close quarters or backup weapon. There is no safety or power on animation. That means the gun is shooting slightly faster then say a 10 mm (safety) or a laser pistol (power on). If you have ghouls or dogs charging you that 1 second animation can mean the difference between being saved by the pipe or taking a hit.
I remember getting an automatic pipe rifle with the bleed effect and it was god tier. Could kill epic behemoths in seconds
I love how in depth this dude goes over things that are so minuscule lol
In the late game I have only found use for one pipe weapon and it's real specific. My first character was a gunslinger and no matter what level he reached (I last left him about 130 I think) I never invested in alternate combat skills. he's all pistols all the time. The Bolt Action Pipe pistol allows him to have a heavy hitting, silenced, sniper pistol with excellent range. It's the only weapon of it's kind for gunslingers. That character usually carries at least four different pistols for different situations, but that one in particular has been a constant companion ever since he had access to the top tier mods for it (which being a Pipe weapon was pretty early).
I've also found in the early-mid game, where you have plenty of weapons not not huge amounts of ammo it is good to pass on decent Pipe weapons (automatics with legendary effects mostly) to companions. They do well enough with them and you can hoard all the good ammo for yourself. Especially useful if you are running a commando build. Meanwhile the spare non-pipe weapons go to settlers as they only need one ammo anyway.
I always get way too excited when I get a pipe gun with the crippling effect, makes most enemies a joke because you can quickly and cheaply disable deathclaws and the like.
With ranks in the Scrapper perk, Pipe guns with mods on them are quite useful for scrapping for resources. They're common to find with at least one or two mods on them on your average Raider or Super Mutant, and they can provide a decent amount of good materials with multiple ranks in Scrapper.
Plus, they're cheap to buy from Settlement-built Weapon Kiosks and their .38 Ammo is good to use as merchandise to sell if you don't intend on really using it.
I like them I feel if they needed an upgrade it be good to add a pipe shotgun that is a good weapon and would help if they don't add a scope to it and would also help if they added a few upgrades for it
Kneecapper's Automatic Pipe Pistol turns you into a crowd control _God_ for the rest of game. Just beautiful.
I do have a pipe rifle with the Explosive legendary effect. The problem is that that character also has an Explosive Minigun, rendering it obsolete. It does still have a use, though: farming Nuka-Cade tickets via the Bandit Roundup arcade game.