My Thoughts on Buffing Mewtwo [Smash Discussion]
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2020
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NotBae That was nothing like toxic, rude or arrogant >_>
"I know that I may sound arrogant, rude and even toxic in this video." Not at all, appreciate your honest thoughts. It's fun playing a mid/low tier and mastering them. You show us how masterfully. Keep up the content and the FUN!
I gotta say I think mewtwo needs buffs but its respectable that you can still win without buffs
I am a mewtwo main too, and I feel that no one has actually understand mewtwo yet. it takes time. he is the "strongest" pokemon for a reason. and recently I realized how powerful his teleportation is. If you actually teleport correctly(gotta practice on it a lot) you can teleport towards your enermie attack them and teleport away from them. What am I trying to say is that no one has understand the true mewtwo yet, you might be the first person. I have faith in you brother
I agree that his attacks dont need buffing and that the tail is fine, but because of the huge nerf to air dodging in this game giving him a weight buff wouldn't make him op. No one is asking for him to be bowser weight but being lighter than kirby is dumb
Dom 205 and freaking pikachu of all Pokémon.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Apparently Mewtwo is 256 pounds. Pikachu is 13.
Legit subbed to you today but I’m binge watching all your vids cuz you’re dope
Glad I didn't make you unsub from this video 😂
You know, after watching all of the Mewtwo guides you have and before this video, I had the most fun with my favorite character in a long while with ultimate. It was like unlocking a whole new potential of the character that I never would have imagine. Perhaps bigger buffs would be too much. But maybe quality of life changes would be better off, nothing like giving better combos, but perhaps a few little tweaks here and there. However these patches must be meticulous of how they change. Even a few little buffs or nerfs can be huge depending of the factors. I will be heading to local tournaments soon to represent Mewtwo, let’s bring him to great heights.
Thank you for your videos
Update! So I got destroyed, It’s okay though! Gonna keep going and see what I can do to improve!
EDIT: it's been a while and although I haven't been hitting tournaments, the amount of people I have decimated online is so satisfying. Hell, he's become one of my best characters again. It's amazing how many flaws you can pick apart from your opponents when you're playing on the defense. Granted it's online but nonetheless it works out.
I disagree on your feelings on Mewtwo's weight but I can see why u would like to keep him as light as he is currently, but I personally would like to see him as heavy or a little bit heavier than Zelda because it's ridiculous that Isabel, Sonic, and Kirby are all heavier than Mewtwo. Besides that, your video came off as a bit forced on the neutral stance you wanted to keep, "if u want these buff ur ok, but if u think Mewtwo needs these buff ur dumb or salty" idk, it doesn't come off as a hypocritical statement, but it just comes off as a "no offense bro". You don't have to go balls deep on a stance, but this feels like fence-sitting, just express your opinion and let the disclaimer that it's your own opinion stand on its own you don't have to account by saying "its ok if u want this" every single point.
4:17 I never thought I'd see someone talking about my 2 mains in the same topic, sometimes I wish people still had that idea of them from 1 year ago
I was always for Mewtwo being perfect the way he is, every character needs flaws and complaining doesn’t replace actual practice.
Dacweepa64 no exactly I hate Jr mains who just wine I’m low tier wah sakurai buff my main dude I can’t stand that practice makes perfect and I do absolutely fine with him and if u buff him more I’d actually lose interest for the character
@@twotamatos”if you make a character good i wont play them” you have stockholm syndrome
@@guyfauks2576 nah man if the characters too buffed it’s not fun u feel carried
@@guyfauks2576 fr dude look at G&W where people go ur top 10 now and the intangibility on all ur moves the jank hit boxes all that made that character so busted when they r a joke character sure I get what Sakurai was doing with Kirby and bowser giving them viable builds in ult it’s nice having ness & G&W that actually work in ult unlike melee but I go back to melee for this reason joke characters r supposed to be bad and ur supposed to be carried by how good u are the odds should be against u nothing is funny about pichu if he is A tier out the gates why they nerfed him a lot, but yahhhh I just feel like between Jr Wario Puff & G&W all getting extreme buffs to where they feel kiddy pad locked or like here is the safety helmet and floaties for the big idiots playing joke characters it just made the game too easy and not worth it I like that in melee each character has unique tech and movements u gotta practice in HDRI jr was nerfed but they let him act out of kart dash to L cancel it and go for grabs kinda like a cool tech deck, tech u can practice that’s what kept me playing when they just make a character have bread n butter combos, Fox up smash, insta abandon ship, no sheild damage reduction on projectiles, living till 180% basically G&W down smash ontop of best edge guarding in the game just because people said ah jr is a low tier even after all the buffs n they listened it took out any of the fun because then that character becomes a busted character like ness people always complained when I mained him in sm4sh back throw and pk fire everything he does just sucks u suck for playing him and that’s kinda why I think just making everything as unbalanced as possible will bring balance was the wrong way to go but it u know had to be ULTIMATE
Ok so lets explain the argument of a character 'needing buffs'. Every character is technicaly viable in competetive play hence why mkleo kills everyone based on his raw skill, but a lot of characters need buffs. Needing a buff isnt because you simply dont exist or work without it, or because you arent top tier, its because there is a noticable gap in performance between you and top tier characters where In a truly balanced game that just doesnt exist. +70 characters is hard to balance so a lot of characters need buffs. Simple. Mewtwo needs a legit buff. Not because his canon, not because he is umplayable, but because there is gap in the characters performance and results from top tier characters thats just top big.
In my opinion, He just needs tweaking. It’s a pain when he gets punished for spacing his tail attacks. I don’t feel like any character should be punished for spacing your moves or trying to dash away from your opponents. He doesn’t need buffs but tweaking him will make him more enjoyable in my opinion.
I agree completely, mewtwo doesn't NEED any buffs, but he could use them. One buff I would love to see is fixing his hitboxes involving his tail, not his hurtboxes, because there are a number of time where I will backair back to stage and it will just go through the opponent and they will smash attack the tail hurtbox and I get punished for the hitboxes not being fully accurate.
how you killed the canon argument was the only thing to be considered a legendary Pokemon.
But for real, nice Video. You are more or less a reason why i started playing him. I started to understand him more through your videos which made a ton of fun, thank you for that.
Great vid as always.
The only problem I have with Mewtwo is the tail hurtbox. Even though I know I wouldnt have that much tail clipping moments if my movement was better, I still feel I'm being robbed when people kill me by attacking the tail even though I'm behind them (*coughcough*IC FSmash*coughcough)
Maybe reducing it a bit in order to not erase it entirely, but in this state I feel like the tail is a true burden that don't need to be that big
I've mained Mewtwo since he came out in Smash 4. I never really got into the competitive scene that hard, but I've dabbled some in Ultimate. Made it into elite smash a few times over the past year or so, but I also drift in and out of actually playing Smash. And I got to say, it's refreshing to see someone really amping up the value of Mewtwo's current stats. I love playing him. I love basically everything about him. I started watching your videos just a few days ago, and I was excited that I learned some new things about my favorite pokemon. I certainly felt salty from time to time when something about Metwo's kit betrayed me - I'm looking at you, back air sharking into a Ganondorf spike at ledge - but I have never felt more fun with this game than when I'm in a difficult match against a player or character I've rarely faced!
Okay, but he needs just one buff. One teensy, weensy... Nah, I'm kidding. I'm kidding! But if I had a dream buff, it would be to make Nair tink or wing against a few more options. Of course, this is because of my own predictable play pattern. I attempt to Nair into too much. I got used to beating out many of the moves of my friends with Nair, and so I'm always shocked when I try it into a palutena up air or especially a pikachu nair. Obviously, with practice and skill it's still possible to get around those options, and I guess I should really stop trying to beat Link's up air with my down air and nair... All in all, I can't think of a single reason I'd stop maining Mewtwo, our flaws and all - even after multiple teleport-bounce suicides...
I don't think his Nair really needs buffed, but I wish the hotboxes matched what's actually happening. It feels like it never wins against moves that do similar things. Like Pikachu's Nair. And while I actually have lost 2 games before due to his tail getting hit, I'd much rather rather reliable hotboxes with it. There are times when up tilt and back air go right through people without hitting them, yet DK gets his side B to hit way beyond his actual head for an easy kill. That's pretty frustrating
Enjoying these vids man. Keep 'em up.
Tbh since you started making vids my faith in my fav character has been restored I enjoy your vids and they have actually helped me get better and I agree with you on this vid keep up the motivation my boy
I'm suprised dair wasn't mentioned. It's a poor spike with meh damage and has a really long startup for no reason. It's my only issue with him.
Thank you for saying that. It's frustrating how bad of a spike it is. Just wish the hitbox was improved to make up for the start time and damage.
Dair is a perfectly fine move what are you smoking
Dacweepa64 hopefully the same thing I am when I play mewtwo
@@Dacweepa64 if "perfectly fine" means that its complete garbage then yeah, I agree
Dair is perfectly fine imo. It's actually a very powerful spike and the startup is only 3 frames more than forward air? Not to mention you can use it to follow up a confusion as a mix up.
I mained mewtwo since melee and smash 4, and I still do in ultimate. The only two buffs I want would be tail hurtbox removal and the size of neutral air increased. I feel sometimes neutral air doesn't hit when it should or it seems like it, and I think increasing it just a little bit would be a nice touch. Or instead of the tail hurtbox removed, make it intangible during his attacks that use it so it's not that big of a problem anymore.
Probably won't be happening, but they are buffs I like to think about and hope for. Still love mewtwo as is, just... I like getting treats from time to time from papa sakurai :3
But why wouldn't there be a tail hurtbox? That doesn't make any logical sense. The last thing this game needs is more attacks that look like they hit a character but go right through. Remember how fun it was to play Meta Knight in Smash 4, go for a down air, have your sword go straight THROUGH your opponent's body and have it not connect?
@@lukehewko260 thing is that Mewtwo hurtbox didn't exist in smash 4 so it's not something that never happened before. And what I'm suggesting as an alternative is when he uses it to attack that it doesn't take hits. As for Metaknight, never saw him played in smash 4 so eh, I have no response for that. As for logical sense, we could say it doesn't make any logical sense that Mewtwo is almost as light as squirtle but the same size as charizard. Or that sword characters have sweet and sour spots, or that hero has crits, when other franchises' characters don't etc.
I applaud your mentality in how you appreciate the character design of Mewtwo, accepting the characters flaws more so as its traits instead. Personally I don't like playing Mewtwo because I probably don't play defensive enough with him and just get launched KO'd easily.
But if there was anything in this video that I could sort of relate to, it would be that I miss Link's old hookshot grab and z-air. I don't care how shitty it is, it was so fun frustrating people with that grab range, so that might be the reason why I don't completely main link anymore, despite his overall positive changes. Sometimes, it's more important to look at what you enjoy about the character, not how good the character is.
Thank you for making this video. I had initially written off Mewtwo after trying to make him work for about 6 months before just dropping him. Your videos on him have completely reinvigorated my desire to play him and I am actually using him as a very viable counterpick character (and hidden threat in squad strike). While I do think he is and probably always will be held back by his awful disadvantage, I do agree that he is at least somewhat viable because of his insane advantage and I'm so grateful you shed light on this topic. Amazing video. Looking forward to more
Thanks for the video its great
Btw you can tell where nair sends them it just depends on their position relative to m2 when last hit occurs
This video is more than amazing, great job!
1:27 HE SAID THE FUNNY
Great video. I love Mewtwo. And have so much fun playing with him. Working on making him my main, because, well, MEWTWO. 🙏😂
Really love this video NotBae, and I hope it helped other Mewtwo mains who follow and watch you. Myself include too.
I know and remember the feeling well of playing Mewtwo in Melee, Smash 4 and Ultimate. Each Mewtwo was different but also the same (I hope that makes sense) And I LOVE the challenge I get from playing Mewtwo. The same goes with Terry, a character who is REALLY bad off stage. But because of the combination of me being a Terry main and a Mewtwo secondary, I pretty much have a creative view on how to use a character.
I won't lie, I use to complain about Mewtwo's tail as well, but we also have replays for a reason and looking back at them, Mewtwo's tail was hardly the problem of most of my loses. I even went back to play Mewtwo more after the help of the tips in your videos and I've gotten a better idea of how to use Mewtwo in battles. The problem is people are trying to force the poor Pokemon to a title like Joker or Hero. But these characters got where they were from what other players got cause they took the time to learn that character. After playing Mewtwo again tho, I also agree he is perfectly fine the way he is, I actually think the tail hurt box is a good thing because back in Smash 4 I got away with a lot of stocks just because of that tail and I got lazy as well as careless. Now I can't get away with stuff like that and I actually have to work to get that Back air or Up air KO.
People complain about his combo game and Neutral Air?! That Nair is way too good for its own good! This has to be coming from those who get hit with fast or disjointed Nairs like Yoshi's Nair or Lucina's Nair. Mewtwo's Nair is amazing, I've even gotten random trips from it, idk how but it's happened XD And Mewtwo has (you've said this so many times) one of the best combo punish games in the game. (This is why Terry and Mewtwo are my best characters, I love characters that have a good punish game) The main thing that bugs me? Tiers, Tier lists, you know the drill. To me (I know this is sounding corny but...) I don't believe in a the Tier list. Letting a Tier list decide who you main honestly holds back your potential to try knew things, even with a low tier character! A low tier can beat a high tier, it more so depends on the players. I won't toss it out the door completely as it's a good way of discovering what strengths and weaknesses your character has and what you can do to work around them.
Ex: I've camped Samus, Snake, Link and Byleth as Terry. A character who's 'suppose to be up close and rush down'. This is far from it, and the same goes with Mewtwo. I agree you can be aggressive if you know what your doing but Terry and Mewtwo are more defensive/creative characters at best. And even when I lose won't deter me from playing Terry and Mewtwo as I love these two a great deal.
I mainly think most of this comes from loosing to the DLC cast that has joined as well as being punished for dodging too much (So glad they took away the air dodge spam. We did NOT did all that) buffering is also not that bad, in fact it can also work in your favor too.
As far as buffs go? Mewtwo is fine, I was one of many mains who whined about his tail (Yes I openly admit I am one of those who asked if we could get a smaller tail hurt box) but I've actually turned it around and see it as an actual good thing (I've said this before but I'm gonna repeat it anyway. I've type quite a bit here XD) The large hurt box makes me think more carefully when to back air and can't really get away with certain tilts. If Mewtwo's tail could do stuff that Yoshi's tail could do? Yeah he'd be beyond busted.
To end this all off, I feel Mewtwo is great but I won't let tiers decide who I main. I've decided to solo main Terry but Mewtwo will always be my secondary choice. Mewtwo's combo and punish game are amazing. Confusion beats shield, his throws are great and has Disable to stun? Yeah, Mewtwo is amazing as he is. I won't go and sugar coat everything tho, Mewtwo does have a sum of flaws that make him tough to learn but that's what makes him fun. Anywho, I apologize for the mass wall of text of a comment I'm having you read XD I was just so shocked because I thought I was only going to hear about his tail. But I couldn't have been more wrong and I find that hilarious XD This does make me want to put even more work into Mewtwo, bring on the next patch and Mewtwo will always be one of my many go tos (Lol people find it odd that I main Terry and have Mewtwo as a hidden secondary. But truth is, they both aren't too different. Like I said, I love characters with an amazing combo punish game. Terry and Mewtwo have both, Mewtwo is just floaty and better in the air while Terry is heavy and is a bit more grounded but he can still work in the air with practice.) I'm excited to see more stuff from you NotBae!
I'm REALLY sorry for my wall of text X'D
i love this vid, i absolutely agree with all you said, for reference, i only consider mewtwo my secondary, and i really like playing him. My actual main is corrin, and the exact same is said about them, to an even bigger extent. Especially the part where you say "if you think there are this many flaws about this character, why do you play this character, go main someone else" is what i really don't understand about people sometimes, and this goes double for corrin
As a legendary, Mewtwo had three perfect IVs. Other than that, great points.
Great video man thank you. As a fellow mewtwo main your input is much appreciated and is implemented when i get in the lab and train. It would be my dream match to play against your mewtwo one day my ledge teleport into down b while falling needs work thou
100% agree, I actually think mewtwo is very underrated.
And on a funny note about you mentioning the tail hurt box not coming into play that often, I thought the same thing till I started going to tournaments, last time a Marth tipper up smashed the tip of my tail for the final kill
THIS WAS BRILLIANT and well said 👌❤️
It's so good to hear someone else saying Mewtwo's a perfectly fine character! I don't care where it appears on tier lists I've loved playing Mewtwo since Melee.
TBH Mewtwo's weaknesses only really come into play when you make mistakes. It also has the tools to not not be beaten outright by anybody.
As fun as Smash 4 nair was, it definitely doesn't need to be buffed back to that monster (nor does it need a consistent launch angle, people really be asking for Palu nair with Mewtwo fair like it won't be a disaster), but I would love for it to connect properly - in Ultimate, the foot hitboxes rightfully use the autolink angle, but the hand hitboxes still send towards Mewtwo like in Smash 4, and due to higher base knockback and the balloon physics, very often will the opponent simply fly out behind Mewtwo in the middle of nair, even if he's perfectly still, which could easily be rectified by just using the autolink angle on every hitbox. It's an adaptable issue like any other, but I believe that having a multi-hit always connect is a sort of inalienable right for every character, like a functioning jab (I don't care if you have a good jab-pivot grab, Samus, it's still a disappointment).
Video should be called "Man slaughters people that think they know what Mewtwo needs with hard facts." Solid video as always dude!
I play mewtwo for his unique set of weaknesses.
10:45 NB: "mewtwo requires a degree"
All I would do for Mewtwo is reduce his tail hurt box significantly but keep a little bit of it and make the tip of down tilt combo
I think a point of Mewtwo’s design is that if you want to get combos going you have to get in, so I think making down tilt combo at the tip doesn’t make sense when taking into consideration of that part of his design. I agree with the tail though.
Isso I guess you could be right but he can also use shadow ball and convert off that
Joe Mama right but my point still stands, especially if you compare the uses of down tilt at the tip to the uses of down tilt at the base.
I can't stop laughing when I see Mii swordfighter in High tier in those old tier list
Hey I’ve seen you do this edge guard setup where you hit them with back airs in to the blast zone how do you do that.
Yesterday I lost a game because I got spiked by Captain Falcon when he hit the tip of my Bair when I tried to edgeguard. I know I could have spaced it better, and I'm not saying remove the hurtbox completely, but reducing it when M2 uses a tail move would be a nice change
This is the only thing I feel needs some change.
Yeah that or give the tail armor when he uses it for an attack just something to reward players for spacing it
my main was mewtwo and now its toon link. good vid
-Less teleport landing lag
-Up Smash scooping better, and it being more consistent, actually, fix all multi hits on every character
Doot Pits rejoice!
@@cosmictraveler1146 lmaooo
Mewtwo is straight up one of the scariest characters to buff because it gets so much reward for its killpower, mobility, combos, a top 15 projectile, & numerous ways to threaten a shield. However, it could may be get the following examples below as possible changes/tweaks.
1. Up Smash - More displacement on the first hit (possibly with a windbox) to improve its OoS possibilities. M2's OoS is underwhelming, making this better benefits it greatly to deter reckless shield harassment & make it's big hurtbox harder to exploit on defense.
2. Teleport - Make teleport cancelling easier. Definitely a fan of Teleport cancelling here because it's locked behind proper spacing & that is a measure of time put into the character.
3. Hurtbox nearest the tip of the tail is removed. The hurtbox is still an exploit, but M2 gets rewarded for properly spacing by reducing the frequency of trades. I'd counter this buff by reverting M2's weight back to 77 units.
4. F-tilt - Active for frames 10-13 & the sweetspot of the move is simply the tip & mid section of the tail. A spacing move that rewards proper positioning with killpower. Make the base of the move not kill though to keep it in check. 2 additional active frames granted to give the move more utility.
5. Dair - Make the sourspot a weaker spike. This would make the angle match the animation.
I'd say that's about it. Anyone, feel free to share your thoughts.
Also down throw as a combo throw would be nice but I agree not necessary. It definitely has its uses. Even on FD, I’ll opt for dthrow sometimes just to see how they react out of it. Eventually I can get a fair or up smash out of it for the kill. Down throw on battlefield into up smash is amazing though. Even a tech in place will tend to get hit by it because it’s so active.
Legendaries generally have 3 guaranteed perfect IVs when you catch them.
been a m2 main since ultimate's release, and the only thing I'm upset with is his down throw angle. It's SO close to being a combo throw and at the moment is only good for DI mixups and platform tech chases. I don't even want it to be a combo throw, but most people that don't know the matchup think it is and I get so many people in tourneys saying "you should've down throw RAR bair" and everytime I tell them d-throw doesn't have that utility they say "then optimise it."
That medical joke killed me. xD
Yeah I agree, there's more to go with the Mewtwo meta, keep pushing it! Like the drag down nair into up Smash kill confirm. I would love for Mewtwo to be heavier, but I do feel that might make him too strong. He has so much potential as he is.
I would love if up air would spike on the down swing of the tail, would be super stylish
One last small buff I'd like: Up smash to scoop better. It's our fastest OOS option, but it's generally horrible against grounded opponents. It also leaves us incredibly vulnerable so making it work a bit better would balance out the risk/reward.
I think it's easy to get frustrated over mewtwo's flaws because he's hard to pick up and doesn't yield as much reward as characters that are just as difficult to learn.
True, but Mewtwo's playstyle(s) though.
@@firestorm3k882 wdym?
@@mynamisjam Mewtwo can either be played defensively / campy, can be played offensively, or a mix of both.
Mewtwo also has some cool unique attacks like fair, bair, disable, and confusion.
@@firestorm3k882 it is optimal to play mewtwo defensively. And by reward I meant results/having good MUs, not the fun factor.
Coming from a guy who recently dropped Mewtwo (I tried to main too many characters). He’s a solid character, he needs slight fixes to his teleport so it’s easier to edge cancel (much like Palu) and he needs a weight buff. Anything else would probably break him except maybe a tail hurtbox reduction.
Big fan man. It's a lot to ask, but can you do a list with a couple of tips for every match-up. I understand my main, it's my opponent I'm less knowledgeable of.
Your top 3 wish buffs are exactly mine lol any of those 3 I would love. Overall I have fun with him no matter what. I mained pika/mew2 in 4. Now it’s pika/banjo and mew2 for some n if I feel him. I ain’t crying for buffs but would welcome them
Jayku_9 this is the exact mindset I wish people would have
Top tier Mewtwo would be nice. But honestly I find him fun the way he is. He's not my main but I'm definitely adding him to my roster.
Laughs as a k.rool main...
i do think the only reasonable buff he should get is the tail. other than that there isnt really any buff he 'needs'
I agree with buff options 1 and 3. Great video Bae! And As far as his weight, he's the 6th lightest character in the game. A Feather Weight. I'd be fine with just a slight buff in to Light Weight. Asking for Middle Weight might be too much. I mean, Fox is lighter than MewTwo, and he's an S tier.
Mewtwo definitely has the *potential* to be a high tier or even top tier with his kit, but his tail hurtbox is really holding him back imo.
It’s unreasonable for a character as light as he is to have a hurtbox as large as a super heavyweight, and in some cases even larger. Some argue that it makes sense for his tail to have a hurtbox due to logical reasons, but then there are characters like Charizard and Ridley who don’t have a tail hurtbox, AND they’re much heavier than Mewtwo. And if one wants to argue logic, you could argue that Mewtwo should be heavier, since he’s canonically like 270 pounds or something.
Again, I think Mewtwo has the tools he needs to become a high tier. But the things I mentioned I feel really hold him back. I’ll always main him and he’ll always be my favorite character in this game, but I’ll always make the argument that in order for him to actually become a high tier, these changes are the easiest to implement without making his other attributes too powerful.
Man I like so much your videos and your style. I play with Mewtwo and now i learn so many tricks that hepled me to upgrade my habilities with him thanks Not Bae! And it probably sounds stupid but my name in the game is Mautwo
I just want a grab that matches the animation, and a grace period on the tail with dash away. If dashing away didn't instantly extend my hurtbox behind me then I'm perfectly fine with the tail hurtbox
I hope we can do battle someday friend. You'd make a great mentor
All that I really want is nair to send at a consistent angle for all hits, would be nice i think
Mewtwo can be anything if you put the time and effort into him. I think he is just fine the way he is, well said Notbae. MEWTWO REP!👍💯😄
I'm just glad he has a reflector, I'm statasfied with that.
If you’ve gone a year without loosing bc of the tail hurtbox, I need answers, bc Ive been playing Mewtwo for like 3 days now, and probably have lost like 5 or 6 stocks (out of maybe 60 lost). Most from going for a back air, and it trading with a more powerful move. I don’t know if it needs to be fixed but it definitely I think should be considered a significant part of Mewtwo when taking him in as a character
The biggest thing that I’d want is for tail moves to be more rewarding when spaced, not less.
Removing his tail hurtbox gives him a shit ton of disjoints, that would make him broken as hell
I love playing mewtwo I used to always main ike and others but once I started using mewtwo I instantly loved playing him he's such a fun character
Although Mewtwo is fun to play, his flaws are frustrating against a handful of other characters.. but I just want to learn how to play in a way that doesn’t expose them
With that being said can you make a common Mewtwo mistakes video and how to avoid them?
I agree with everything in this video, but would love Mewtwo to have some of his smash 4 tech and hurtboxes.
I agree with pretty much everything in this video, but one thing didn't sit right with me. I think it's perfectly reasonable wanting your favourite character in Smash to be buffed to a reasonable state. I loved playing as Ganondorf in Smash 4 because he's the freakin' Dorf, but that didn't stop me wanting some buffs to make him less of a joke. That being said, I think Mewtwo is just fine as he is. I think down throw combos would make him boring. I remember back in Smash 4 when they wanted to give him down throw combos, but then he'd be just like diddy with a "hoo hah" combo.
That's what I love about Mewtwo's gameplay. He hasn't really got a heavily focused game plan around one, single thing. He can combo off a variety of things, instead of looking for a grab over and over. I think that's why I could never play as a character like Diddy or DK back in Smash 4. Their whole game plan revolved around getting the grab over and over until a K.O.
If I was to buff something, it'd be something to do with his tail hurtbox, but that's it.
I do not main mewtwo, tho I've learned some combos from your vids, but I happen to be one of those people who want him to be top tier because hes legendary and he's my favorite gen 1 pokemon. I do agree with every other point you made tho.
Coming from a Kirby main who got tired of getting camped and picked up M2... hes so good.
mfw I’m a mewtwo/joker guy 😎😎
But yeah great video and I honestly agree with everything you said regarding his competitive viability
All I want is the shadow ball charge hitbox back...
Oh, notbae, if you see this I would like to go into mewtwo’s under used teleport chases. I noticed that like most mewtwo mains, the teleport is mostly used as a tech or recovery technique and is not used as a aggressive movement tech very often. Have you seen what I’m referring to? I personally have only recently begun looking into this technique and I would like to hear your thoughts.
Also, I understand that in several cases using the teleport during a chase can have repercussions, however I do believe if executed right, it can be used as an aggressive instant movement in a tech chase to throw off opponents and also to possibly lead into new openings for combos, particularly in the battlefield stages and other states with platform tech. As you don’t necessarily have to teleport to the ground and have the ability in certain scenario to utilize the teleport to move to a platform in a specific location or double teleport and maneuver to another location in much more sharp and clean movements leaving room for specific follow ups and techs. I have rarely seen this explored as a possible way to utilize his teleportation and would like commentary as commentary has proven beneficial to gaining insight on things.
I am a mewtwo main myself and a lot of what he says I agree with. The thing is that people too often downplay characters or over emphasize the strength of others. The fact of the matter is that Nintendo designed each character to be playable and it’s just a matter of figuring out how to best utilize what is offered. Now I do think some characters have a chance of being better than others, but like he pointed out with some characters before, opinions change and characters are not set in stone to each tier. as he says about his opinions, it’s my opinion take it or leave it but right now a lot of characters are put in tier groups based off of personal skill rather than actual statistics. Although certain characters may actually be better than others, it’s too early to actually know that about most of the characters. Weather or not a true best character exists is unknown but perhaps certain aspects of tier characters are. Then again a lot of things can change and I believe it’s too early to be adjusting characters for the most part. Thank you for your input Notbae, your thoughts and your gameplay skills are really helpful and inspiring to many of us.
I play Mewtwo and Joker.
My short story experience with *Mewtwo:*
Mewtwo was my first main. He was very fun for me to play and I still play him a lot, just not as much as Joker. Despite his weight, there would be times to where my Mewtwo survived until around 200. His tail hurtbox isn’t a big problem for me. Using confusion into shadow ball is a cool thing to do, same with confusion into disable. Now I know the 2nd one doesn’t sound right, but it kinda is. I use it to get a little space from those people who always try to get in close. His nair can be used for drag downs, and can be followed by an ftilt, and I’ve used this a lot. Many players I’ve come across can’t get around it. Mewtwo is very fun and I love playing him a lot!
My short story experience with *Joker:*
I was SICK of Joker players saying “i CaNt GeT kIlLs WiThOuT aRsEnE!” But honestly, I understand them. Im a good Joker player, and when I get Arsene, it’s just easier to play. Especially when fighting annoying characters. A while ago I fought a grabby Samus and Wario, and I only got away from them with Arsene. Arsene is not only a stand, but can be used for escape options and distance attacks. Egeon and the longer range gun...not the best...but...shut up. I understand why Joker and Arsene got nerfed. I never noticed, and by the time I did, it was 8 months ago he was nerfed and I never noticed. It was obvious too, Arsene goes away with less hits and gun is smaller. I’m very observant with the character attacks and small details that really count, but this? This I somehow didn’t notice. Joker one up-ing Mewtwo in a drag down doesn’t make a difference to me. It might to others, but not me. I try to form habits with Mewtwo that Joker can handle and carry over. Sounds stupid? Yes. Does it matter? No.
The only thing i would change about mewtwo, i wouldn't remove the tail hurtbox but i would make it eighter take less damage, less knockback (and hitstun), both or no damage or knockback at all, but the no knockback/damage woulf be a bit op, i probably would just lessen damage and knockback taken if you get hit on the tail
Even if we don't like it, the tail hurtbox is a huge, HUGE problem. We already see stuff like people teleporting to bowser's sideb or other grabs, with Mewtwo it happens from much farther away, that happens to me at around 60% and I die even with optimal DI on some stages
Also his grabs are good and functional PROVIDING YOU CAN LAND IT, for a being with psychic powers his grab range SUCKS, the amount of times I run to grab or try to grab anyone but it whiffs and the other person grabs me from the same distance is way too high
The man makes the clothes. In other words, it takes the right player to take this character (or any other, at that) to the next level. He has the tools to be viable, he just needs someone to tap into that potential and unleash his full power.
I completely understand your opinion on this video. So basically we all need more time and don't be so negative. This character requires more time and experience then we all know, plus they're is still things we don't know about. I agree Mewtwo is in a good spot, shit dare I even say great.
Ok, he doesn't need to many buffs, but it would be so cool if they gave him the hitbox on shadow ball charge he had in melee back
Mewtwo got buffed today
Wanted to post a correction, by 2003 Jiggs was considered high tier. Coincidentally this was around the time I discovered the smashboards and the competitive scene.. There were a few good Jiggs around then, but nobody really pushed her meta that much. A lot of people knew she was likely better than she was, but people didn't like playing her or watching her, even back then.
When you look at characters like palu and wolf and joker and rob its frustrating they have soo much to their kits and weight more on top of all that cause mewtwo is the most fun character
Once I started playing online and realizing that I sucked about a year ago, I was still maining mewtwo, I learned that the smash community thought he was a low tier, which surprised me because I fricken love mewtwo, I see almost no flaws in him.
GIT. GOOD.
The only thing I'd like to have buffed is the scoop an usmash, but yeah, that's basically a qol-change. That aside, I completely agree. Maybe it could get a little more weight, maybe up to zeldas level, but it shouldn't really be heavy. Mewtwo is a glasscannon and is balanced around being one, making it heavy would completely destroy it.
If his down throw could be useful for something, that's all I'd ask for
I main Young Link because I like his kit better, but sometimes I play Mewtwo because I like his kit a lot too, just not quite as much as Young Link. This character has a scary advantage state and a solid neutral, and his landing options are t bad either, with his Aerials being so big
13:43 *rubs face paint on* All i have are negative thoughts....
This is a quality comment. I approve tremendously
As a casual player, I have fun as Mewtwo. I get annoyed when I can't survive long enough to beat the entire cast in All-Star mode, but that means I need to get good. Closest I've gotten was a couple DLC characters left and got killed by Joker.
I think making Mewtwo just slightly heavier would be good, he currently weighs 79 units but i think he could work at 80-85 being still light but not one if the lightest characters in the game. For refference ZSS weight is 80 and Zelda's is 85
Very well said.
I agree with this but as a Sonic main I think that it’s not fair that I can be put in disadvantage for winning neutral (via people falling out of Spin charge and up air 1 at 100+%). But I like Sonic so I play Sonic
Suddenly I want to play Mewtwo so badly
I just want him to have a little more grab range...
Very cool video mr Not bae
The part about people complaining about their mains is a wonderful point that I wish so many more people had. Don't get me wrong, Mewtwo has a lot of people complaining about the tail and weight, but I feel like Marth mains are a few tiers below that. I've seen numerous tier lists from top 20 players in the world even saying things like "This is just a worse version of Lucina." This influences people to never try Marth, and can really bring down people who main him.
It's almost as if people, top players included, don't learn. Before Void started taking Sheik seriously, people were placing her in the lowest tiers. She was buffed a few times, but even then, most people said that they wouldn't change anything significant. Now, I see her in high tier occasionally. Your example with GnW is another good example of this. Maybe I'm missing something, but I think that tier lists are supposed to represent how good a character can be, divided into different tiers to show which characters are closest to each other.
I guess my main problem is that people tend to place characters based on a mixture of results (which doesn't make as much sense as we may think it does) and how they felt the character was after playing a few games with them. If you don't have high level experience fighting someone who mains the character, how can you judge how good they really are? And, of course, I don't have that experience either, so I'm in no position to make a tier list (except for fun.) However, I don't think it takes a genius to tell you that Mewtwo hits REALLY hard but dies early (glass cannon?), or that if Sheik did 45% or more off of her combos then she would be overpowered, or that Marth gets a lot of milage off of his sour spots and they actually lead to more damage via combos. If you buff something in the way that most people want it, these characters would become overwhelming. Balance is a delicate thing.