@@acooldude2226 That would be interesting. I used to love watching Big D's D3, but I can't be mad that he switched to Icies because he makes them look so cool.
The whole Wadi situation came a little out of the blue which is sad cuz that means less top level M2 gameplay to watch. But I'll definitely paying attention to Anbil and Remrin more from now on. Any content is much appreciated :)
Here are some thoughts I have about this video: Anbil's playstyle works for the majority but drains your stamina and lacks counterplay against rushdown opponents. Kento plays really fast but that leads to him getting overwhelmed in some situations and makes bad decisons in disadvantage, but also doesn't have any major strengths to his kit. Remrin has a great advatage state and edgeguarding, but is too aggressive sometimes and autopilotes neutral. I think you should find a middleground between these 3 playstyles. 1 fokuspoint but being able to play the 2 other playstyles in the core basics. The biggest problem with M2 is that you lose hard against somebody who counters your playstyle. So the easiest solution to think of is to adpapt to the other player's playstyle, but this is where it becomes tricky for the M2-player. Playing 3 different playstyles for one character is very demanding. It also messes up your speed and decisionmaking in gameplay, because you are not playing in your comfortzone. This is why I think that Wolf and M2 are very similar when it comes to matchups and playstyles. They both have an option to almost anything but it depends on the player to make the right decisons to win. The difference is that Wolf is a top 10 character and his biggest flaw is his recovery which is better than having a bad disadvantage overall and Wolf's moves are also safer so you won't be punished as hard as M2 when you make a mistake. Sorry for the wall of text for anybody reading this and I'd gladly hear other thougts and opinions about this.
I don't think wolf is a better character then Mewtwo at all all of mewtwos air moves are great so are all his tilts. His move speed is great and has so many kill moves the only thing I dont like is how floaty he is and that gaint tail hurt box
Mewtwo shouldnt be adapting to other characters. We are a control based character. We simply lose to rush down. That's our archetype. No need to try to over push it. You can try some shield pressure oriented style or shadow ball but they just naturally beat us. This is why you pick a secondary. And wolf has worse recovery, range, speed, projectile. I'd say Mewtwo is better. Just underplayed.
Interesting analysis, I don't think I've heard of Remrin before, so it's nice that you're bringing attention to some of these players. Of course, we all know NotBae is truly the best Mewtwo (well, the sauciest Mewtwo anyway).
this was such a cool video! as someone who regularly watches M2 content but doesn't main/secondary him, you've introduced me to Remrin who somehow flew under my radar until now, and I love your analysis on her (as well as the other players highlighted here)
Fantastic video man 👍 I had no ideas there were high-level M2s beyond Anbil - seeing indepth analysis on playstyles for all these players compared was a real treat
Funny you mention this name, I don't know anything much about top Mewtwo players, but I ran into a Mewtwo named griseous about 3-5 months ago, have never felt like I was being toyed with so hard, (not that he was playing toxic) I couldn't get in for shit, his movement was godlike and tiers above most elite smash players, one stock in and I had guessed he was a pro player but I never looked it up. Closest I've ever been to getting jv4d. I didn't rematch because when a player is that many levels above you you don't actually have the space to learn and take much from a game, they're just blasting you with pure fundamentals. I had absolutely no answer to him walking back so precisely and letting out uncharged shadowballs to cover the ground and then punishing whatever I chose to do to get around that. Was kind of stale experience for me since that's all he had to do to beat me, but I couldn't help but respect it and I knew I hadn't even scratched the surface of what he could do. I remember his name months later, that's how good he was, and I'm sure it was the same person, if it was an imitator... They just wouldn't have been that good lol.
Some other notable Mewtwo players: Grade (Best Mewtwo in Ontario and tightly contending with Remrin for best Mewtwo in Canada) TimPrater (Top 5 in Missouri & the new best Mewtwo in the US without Wadi in the picture) Gorioka (Likely the best Mewtwo in the world, but rarely plays the character, opting for Joker most of the time instead)
I'm Faifre, the Joker Anbil clips in this video. Beat him at Dreamhack our last meeting and I think he is way too self centered in his defense, using it for the sake of hitting what he wants, he also struggles a lot if someone can play around his Shadow Ball well. But he really is scary and if he got a more well rounded neutral and focused a bit more on the opponents feelings in his defense he would be insane.
@@SuperSwagdood At this point Anbil specifically got very lost if you shut down his shadow ball, have played other Mewtwos that are more solid after you shut it down.
I really enjoyed WaDi's playstyle. I don't think I can analyze as good as you, but it was a sight to see. Prior to him leaving the scene, I would say he is top 3. Anbil feels much more defensive utilizing shadow ball as much as possible, but seems to trail off in the later stages of his matches where performance starts to taper off. Kento's movements are amazing and although not specialized, this opens him to many styles and variations of movements not easily predicted by his opponent. Remrin is ultra aggressive and tends to be out of place or badly timed shields, but it is a high risk high reward playstyle. TimPrater is very enjoyable to watch also despite a somewhat lower profile where he plays similarly to Anbil, but isn't afraid to be aggressive like Remrin. I saw other comments pointing at Zenki, suzune, grade and gorioka and will check them out also
Excellent video as usual! Haven’t heard of Remrin and Kento before. I’ll definitely have to check them out. A little sad we didn’t see PeazyPeace here though…
If anyone knows SDX, you'd know he had a killer M2. You can still watch his gameplay in the early days of ultimate. Last time I checked though, he unfortunately dropped smash to focus on other things.
SDX achievement with Mew2 cannot be understated. The guy made top 9 off glitch and top 16 at genesis WITH VANILLA MEW2 WHO WAS BOTTOM 10 AT THAT TIME. I am convinced that if SDX kept on playing and grinding the mew2 after 8.0 buffs; mew2 would be looked at with a more much positive eye.
Great video as always. I've always believed Anbil was #1 for Mewtwo, even before WaDi was outed and left the community, just because of how well he places in Norway tournaments, and how solid his Mewtwo gameplay is. Really wish he could come to America and show how good he is. And i think Kento might make a big splash in Japan sooner than later, hes growing to become an insane Mewtwo with top level movement and really good decisions in neutral with disable. and of course Remrin is a solid 3rd place imo, with no gaps between these 3 players rankings, any one of them can do amazing things someday.
Over the years i‘ve spent maining Mewtu, in my opinion the edguarding and disadvantage state are the most important things to learn / optimize as a mewtu
I've had the honor of getting shit on by Remrin's M2. I think I went 1-10 vs her and it was online which arguably favors me as a player. I need to watch more Kento. Sounds like I'd vibe with his playstyle. What about Chewie in Norcal though?
Your not to bad yourself I watch your videos I just started playing smash a year ago now and I main Mewtwo so I've serched RUclips up and down for people that have posted Mewtwo videos and have watched them all to see how other people use him to add things to my gameplay but I've watched all your videos and I've learned a lot so thanks u
I think Zenkai was the best. He destroyed Anbil and Wadi in the ditto and came pretty close to beating Nairo and Esam back in the day. If he kept playing Ultimate I think he'd be a top 100 player at the least.
To me it seems that anbil plays to compensate for mewtwo's bad disadvantage and lets his very solid advantage do the work for him, remrin goes full glass canon and pushes Mewtwo's strength to the limit and struggles in disadvantage, and kento seems like generally the best player, yet his play style feels like he is a good player that plays Mewtwo, not like a good Mewtwo player.
You totally missed another good Mewtwo player who I think is better the remrin ( no disrespect to her ). Grade from Vancouver is by far the most technical Mewtwo and has the best movement of any Mewtwo, definitely do check out some of his vods.
I very much considered including Grade in this analysis. From my perspective, he absolutely has potential to make that jump, but he hasn't competed in quite some time (not ranked in his region anymore) and I believe he falls into Melee syndrome (does all the crazy movement but lacks proper game sense and threat assessment). As of right now, I am confident in these 3 as the top Mewtwos, but that's not to throw shade at Grade, nor should it imply that he can't make that level up.
@@NotBae he still does compete! Check out some of his vods. They are on smaller channels but they’re a little harder to find since they don’t get recommended like the bigger channels
@@NotBaeHe got the same result at Majors as Remrin. And out performed them Getting 33rd at Goml 2022 while they got 129th. Does watching his fast flashy movement make your pp feel small?😢
Rn he is far from the conversation but idk if u know about Cigotoast from Spain, he had wins on MVL, AndresFN and Sisqui prequarentine and ranked top 11 in Spain without leaving his region, he used to play a lot with anbil and he has very cool vods u should check him out
The existence of each of these different players is a testament to the flexibility of this character's flexibility. IMHO there's no "correct play style" with this character, all these players are doing what they're supposed to be doing. One with the shadow ball neutral, one with the gnarly punishes, one with balance of all but using the speed to their advantage, all them are actually doing the right things in different ways. It's kinda like Falco from melee, how all these top players over the years really had different play styles based on risk v reward over eachother. You had Mango as the aggressive Falco, West was the defensive one who excelled in tech skill, and Ppmd who balanced these two things, but really had the most extensive knowledge of Falco's movement and neutral game. All them did different things with tremendous degrees of success. They all had "the correct play style"
Who/What should I do an analysis on next??
Slow/defensive vs fast/rush down play styles
Best dedede? There are a lot of D3 players and I'd like to know what sets I should be looking at to see how the king is played
How Trappers work
@@acooldude2226 That would be interesting. I used to love watching Big D's D3, but I can't be mad that he switched to Icies because he makes them look so cool.
Best duck hunt. The stranger snake
The whole Wadi situation came a little out of the blue which is sad cuz that means less top level M2 gameplay to watch. But I'll definitely paying attention to Anbil and Remrin more from now on. Any content is much appreciated :)
What happened to wadi?
@@hammsterminator🙁
@@kiwifluorite???????????????
@@hammsterminatori think SA allegations, no?
@@hammsterminatorhe is just like cinnpie lol
Here are some thoughts I have about this video:
Anbil's playstyle works for the majority but drains your stamina and lacks counterplay against rushdown opponents. Kento plays really fast but that leads to him getting overwhelmed in some situations and makes bad decisons in disadvantage, but also doesn't have any major strengths to his kit. Remrin has a great advatage state and edgeguarding, but is too aggressive sometimes and autopilotes neutral.
I think you should find a middleground between these 3 playstyles. 1 fokuspoint but being able to play the 2 other playstyles in the core basics.
The biggest problem with M2 is that you lose hard against somebody who counters your playstyle. So the easiest solution to think of is to adpapt to the other player's playstyle, but this is where it becomes tricky for the M2-player. Playing 3 different playstyles for one character is very demanding. It also messes up your speed and decisionmaking in gameplay, because you are not playing in your comfortzone.
This is why I think that Wolf and M2 are very similar when it comes to matchups and playstyles. They both have an option to almost anything but it depends on the player to make the right decisons to win. The difference is that Wolf is a top 10 character and his biggest flaw is his recovery which is better than having a bad disadvantage overall and Wolf's moves are also safer so you won't be punished as hard as M2 when you make a mistake.
Sorry for the wall of text for anybody reading this and I'd gladly hear other thougts and opinions about this.
I don't think wolf is a better character then Mewtwo at all all of mewtwos air moves are great so are all his tilts. His move speed is great and has so many kill moves the only thing I dont like is how floaty he is and that gaint tail hurt box
Mewtwo shouldnt be adapting to other characters. We are a control based character. We simply lose to rush down. That's our archetype. No need to try to over push it. You can try some shield pressure oriented style or shadow ball but they just naturally beat us. This is why you pick a secondary.
And wolf has worse recovery, range, speed, projectile. I'd say Mewtwo is better. Just underplayed.
I wish there was more videos like this for other characters
Your content is great
not every character playerbase is as passionate
Interesting analysis, I don't think I've heard of Remrin before, so it's nice that you're bringing attention to some of these players. Of course, we all know NotBae is truly the best Mewtwo (well, the sauciest Mewtwo anyway).
this was such a cool video! as someone who regularly watches M2 content but doesn't main/secondary him, you've introduced me to Remrin who somehow flew under my radar until now, and I love your analysis on her (as well as the other players highlighted here)
Fantastic video man 👍 I had no ideas there were high-level M2s beyond Anbil - seeing indepth analysis on playstyles for all these players compared was a real treat
There should have been an honorable mention of Griseous just to showcase his amazing ledge game. His set versus Rage is amazing.
Funny you mention this name, I don't know anything much about top Mewtwo players, but I ran into a Mewtwo named griseous about 3-5 months ago, have never felt like I was being toyed with so hard, (not that he was playing toxic) I couldn't get in for shit, his movement was godlike and tiers above most elite smash players, one stock in and I had guessed he was a pro player but I never looked it up. Closest I've ever been to getting jv4d. I didn't rematch because when a player is that many levels above you you don't actually have the space to learn and take much from a game, they're just blasting you with pure fundamentals. I had absolutely no answer to him walking back so precisely and letting out uncharged shadowballs to cover the ground and then punishing whatever I chose to do to get around that. Was kind of stale experience for me since that's all he had to do to beat me, but I couldn't help but respect it and I knew I hadn't even scratched the surface of what he could do.
I remember his name months later, that's how good he was, and I'm sure it was the same person, if it was an imitator... They just wouldn't have been that good lol.
Some other notable Mewtwo players:
Grade (Best Mewtwo in Ontario and tightly contending with Remrin for best Mewtwo in Canada)
TimPrater (Top 5 in Missouri & the new best Mewtwo in the US without Wadi in the picture)
Gorioka (Likely the best Mewtwo in the world, but rarely plays the character, opting for Joker most of the time instead)
I'm Faifre, the Joker Anbil clips in this video. Beat him at Dreamhack our last meeting and I think he is way too self centered in his defense, using it for the sake of hitting what he wants, he also struggles a lot if someone can play around his Shadow Ball well. But he really is scary and if he got a more well rounded neutral and focused a bit more on the opponents feelings in his defense he would be insane.
No... Mewtwo struggles if u can play around shadow ball lol. I sense salt 🧂
@@SuperSwagdood At this point Anbil specifically got very lost if you shut down his shadow ball, have played other Mewtwos that are more solid after you shut it down.
I really enjoyed WaDi's playstyle. I don't think I can analyze as good as you, but it was a sight to see. Prior to him leaving the scene, I would say he is top 3. Anbil feels much more defensive utilizing shadow ball as much as possible, but seems to trail off in the later stages of his matches where performance starts to taper off. Kento's movements are amazing and although not specialized, this opens him to many styles and variations of movements not easily predicted by his opponent. Remrin is ultra aggressive and tends to be out of place or badly timed shields, but it is a high risk high reward playstyle. TimPrater is very enjoyable to watch also despite a somewhat lower profile where he plays similarly to Anbil, but isn't afraid to be aggressive like Remrin. I saw other comments pointing at Zenki, suzune, grade and gorioka and will check them out also
Excellent video as usual! Haven’t heard of Remrin and Kento before. I’ll definitely have to check them out. A little sad we didn’t see PeazyPeace here though…
I'm suprised TimPrater wasn't mentioned. Definitely one of the best NA MewTwos, and probably the best in the Midwest.
midwest erasure goes crazy
Mid for a reason @@npclucario7005
In regards to Japan suzune is by far the best mewtwo in that country and he competes offline unlike kento
Highly recommend checking him out
If anyone knows SDX, you'd know he had a killer M2. You can still watch his gameplay in the early days of ultimate. Last time I checked though, he unfortunately dropped smash to focus on other things.
SDX achievement with Mew2 cannot be understated. The guy made top 9 off glitch and top 16 at genesis WITH VANILLA MEW2 WHO WAS BOTTOM 10 AT THAT TIME. I am convinced that if SDX kept on playing and grinding the mew2 after 8.0 buffs; mew2 would be looked at with a more much positive eye.
Great vid! Would also like to talk about Griseous from the UK, super sick player
Nice video, I never saw this format before and it was a nice surprise
Great video as always. I've always believed Anbil was #1 for Mewtwo, even before WaDi was outed and left the community, just because of how well he places in Norway tournaments, and how solid his Mewtwo gameplay is. Really wish he could come to America and show how good he is. And i think Kento might make a big splash in Japan sooner than later, hes growing to become an insane Mewtwo with top level movement and really good decisions in neutral with disable. and of course Remrin is a solid 3rd place imo, with no gaps between these 3 players rankings, any one of them can do amazing things someday.
Over the years i‘ve spent maining Mewtu, in my opinion the edguarding and disadvantage state are the most important things to learn / optimize as a mewtu
What about Eru.reido ? His set against Longo at KoF was some of the best mew2 gameplay i've seen
I've had the honor of getting shit on by Remrin's M2. I think I went 1-10 vs her and it was online which arguably favors me as a player.
I need to watch more Kento. Sounds like I'd vibe with his playstyle. What about Chewie in Norcal though?
Your not to bad yourself I watch your videos I just started playing smash a year ago now and I main Mewtwo so I've serched RUclips up and down for people that have posted Mewtwo videos and have watched them all to see how other people use him to add things to my gameplay but I've watched all your videos and I've learned a lot so thanks u
@@tylerpierce2349 Oh wow, that's so nice to hear! Thanks so much!
I think Zenkai was the best. He destroyed Anbil and Wadi in the ditto and came pretty close to beating Nairo and Esam back in the day. If he kept playing Ultimate I think he'd be a top 100 player at the least.
That's the sad part. Many good mewtwo players switched characters/stopped playing which leaves the character at a fickle representation in top play.
Great analysis!! keep it up!! 👊🔥
Great video,
I believe squidninja mewtwo is one of the best in the world as well
I just realized Anbil uses Shadow Ball to cancel his slide animation.
To me it seems that anbil plays to compensate for mewtwo's bad disadvantage and lets his very solid advantage do the work for him, remrin goes full glass canon and pushes Mewtwo's strength to the limit and struggles in disadvantage, and kento seems like generally the best player, yet his play style feels like he is a good player that plays Mewtwo, not like a good Mewtwo player.
Good vid, now I know more about these three players
You totally missed another good Mewtwo player who I think is better the remrin ( no disrespect to her ). Grade from Vancouver is by far the most technical Mewtwo and has the best movement of any Mewtwo, definitely do check out some of his vods.
I very much considered including Grade in this analysis. From my perspective, he absolutely has potential to make that jump, but he hasn't competed in quite some time (not ranked in his region anymore) and I believe he falls into Melee syndrome (does all the crazy movement but lacks proper game sense and threat assessment). As of right now, I am confident in these 3 as the top Mewtwos, but that's not to throw shade at Grade, nor should it imply that he can't make that level up.
@@NotBae he still does compete! Check out some of his vods. They are on smaller channels but they’re a little harder to find since they don’t get recommended like the bigger channels
@@NotBaehe'd body you buddy. All you know is "stamina retention" ur a one trick.
@@NotBaeHe got the same result at Majors as Remrin. And out performed them Getting 33rd at Goml 2022 while they got 129th. Does watching his fast flashy movement make your pp feel small?😢
What a good video concept. Keep up the good work
Rn he is far from the conversation but idk if u know about Cigotoast from Spain, he had wins on MVL, AndresFN and Sisqui prequarentine and ranked top 11 in Spain without leaving his region, he used to play a lot with anbil and he has very cool vods u should check him out
The existence of each of these different players is a testament to the flexibility of this character's flexibility. IMHO there's no "correct play style" with this character, all these players are doing what they're supposed to be doing. One with the shadow ball neutral, one with the gnarly punishes, one with balance of all but using the speed to their advantage, all them are actually doing the right things in different ways.
It's kinda like Falco from melee, how all these top players over the years really had different play styles based on risk v reward over eachother. You had Mango as the aggressive Falco, West was the defensive one who excelled in tech skill, and Ppmd who balanced these two things, but really had the most extensive knowledge of Falco's movement and neutral game. All them did different things with tremendous degrees of success. They all had "the correct play style"
Great video, I would love to see more for different characters.
Rems letting themselves get grabbed because jab back air exist. 7:10. Not really a bad thing.
Sick video, griseous wouldve been a cool HM esp after they beat rage
You didn't put you into this lol! Good video !
Not biased. But I really prefer Leo's mewtwo. I often cheer against him, but his m2 resonates with my play style. Maybe can I get a yt short on it?
Imagine a world with a top Mewtwo rep who has mastered teleport cancels-
Tho im gonna miss the wadi mewtwo and him in general, what he did was unacceptable and shouldn't be ignored.
Where is NB on this list? Aside from that, fantastic video as always. I'm so sorry I just learned about Wadi's current bs through this video.
Who is nb
@@tylerpierce2349 NotBae
Keep an eye on TimPrater. 33rd at Crown, I believe? His Mewtwo has some legit Ws.
This would be so cool for some other characters too
Yo remrin might be the best soon as she just got 33rd at GOML 2023
Obviously the best Mewtwo player is me in my small friend group winning every match!
What happened with wadi?
Mkleo said mewtwo is hos best character so i guess potentially him
how is this the first im hearing of wadi drama, when did that happen?
I wish Gorioka still played mewtwo instead moving on to joker
Mestwo/Greninja comain here. Really don’t get how both these characters have such low playrates?
What is your specific strength with mewtwo?
👊 🔥
What happened to SDX
It might be MKLeo lol
Best mew2 is frensh Eru.Reido no cap, not close
You're top 10 yourself keep on shmoving
Sdx???
I miss SDX M2 so much :( Anbil is sick though
there's none.
YOOOOOO
I know ur a Mewtwo guy but u should do this for more characters. Good video
no one plays mewtwo 😭
I play Mewtwo so these videos help me 👍🏿🙌🏿
I see more people picking up the character lately. I played him on and off for a long time since month 1 of Smash ultimate
Remrin is a guy he will never be a woman.
Cringe lord.
Sorry bro but this isn't a real fighting game good bye
Ok good bye then
Tbh I prefer Brawlhalla cause at least it has a big amount of characters to choose from
@@zmrgreene07how many characters are in brawlhalla?
@@zmrgreene07ssbu has the most viable characters to choose from
@@gj4312 yeah but not the ones we ask for but at least we work with what we got