I don’t know about you guys, but if ATC tells me I need to make a right turn immediately, I’m in the turn a second before I acknowledge the instruction.
They broke off their approach and descended below the controller's airspacr. They were outside the controller's authority. They were operating under VFR and responsible for their own separation. The controller should not have been talking to them at all. He should have been focused on the aircraft for which he was actually responsible. Continuing to issue them instructions after they broke off and departed his airspace was a mistake. Losing his composure about it was unacceptable. If he has a pattern of this performance, he should be fired.
@@rivalarrival The controllers airspace is 5 mile radius of the airport from Ground level to the published altitude. You can't just break off an approach and go wherever you want once established without permission from atc.
Yelling at people is not professional... unless it really is an immediate, safety-critical matter. You don't yell in meetings or to get your way, however, if someone is about to drop something or crash a plane, absolutely scream and secure the situation, and save peoples' lives.
@@Roseyforyou It can start an FAA investigation and, if the pilot is found at fault, can result in mandatory training, temporary suspension or revocation of the pilot's license.
I'm with ATC 100%. If guys wanna play the "technically I'm outside of the Delta" game then they can remain outside of the Delta. Wake up, clear the manure from between your ears, and pay attention. Clown show.
To those who are dogging this ATC... have you ever worked in a tower? I have. And its hectic as hell. Especially when you can see things happening that nobody else sees. These planes look alot further apart than they are. Hes saving lives and these pilots are idiots. They shouldn't be flying if they cant follow instructions.
Don’t understand why ppl mad At ATC guy. He’s literally trying to save these pilot lives. Get out your feelings that he’s yelling at you and just listen instead of being stubborn. Now since you listen you can go home to your love one’s and have a hot meal instead of being dead. JESUS!!!
Pilots not doing what they were told. Controller got a little heated but I felt he was trying to get their attention. When you have not one but two aircraft not following assigned vectors it can get very dangerous
So if this had been a video of a pilot ignoring the spoken orders of the ATC until they literally crashed into another plane, people would be criticising the ATC for having kept a business-like tone instead of trying to communciate the severity of the situation. At the end of the day the pilot(s) here didn't do what was ordered, and that is on them, not ATC
From a 21 year air traffic controller, some of you people don't realize, if in this occupation, pilots don't comply, aluminum showers may be the result. There are good pilots, there are Mediocre pilots and then those air headed pilots. Those in the last category are usually slated for the deep six. General aviation needs to work together to make it safe. Don't get your panties in a wad just because you are not able to do what you want. If I were flying into that traffic area and heard what was going on, I would have left and come back after the storm subsided. Work together, stay safe.
Down the crapper with four 80 kt airplanes. Ha ha! Obviously a washout from a real facility. Screaming and acting busy do not help the situation. Poor guy. Wrong occupation.
I’ll tell you as a professional pilot for 40 years wait until you’re staring down the chance that you’re about to have a couple of aircraft running into each other and they’re not complying with what the controller said. Have I had controllers make mistakes yes not very often though.. have I made mistakes yes there’s not a pilot out there that hasn’t. I want to controller voices raised and he says making an immediate turn. He has his reasons if you’re planning on surviving the day I suggest listening to his directions. It’s a team effort out there to keep everybody safe! It’s not right to belittle anybody when you don’t know the whole story .
@@jefffiller1603 Controller for 40 yrs and private pilot. Screaming at low time pilots only makes things worse. Nothing gets accomplished. Look at the radar tape, he’s not busy. He is making himself seem busy. Nothing in that scenario required screaming and blowing a gasket.
Several years ago there was a plane told to stay at an altitude two hundred feet above pattern until on final, so he was to be at 1500’. He ignored instructions and descended into a helicopter, killing an instructor and student who were following ATC instructions. He ignored the raised voices and people are dead. I’d rather hear a controller getting a little hot than have people die. If you’re going to fly a plane you need to pay attention!
@@daviduhlir5655 you would have left and come back after the storm subsided. That is exactly what these pilots decided to do. They left when they saw storm clouds on the horizon. This controller went berserk **because** these pilots suddenly decided to leave his airspace to get away from him.
at 4:49 he didnt say 4WL he said N2WH - which wasnt displayed on the video screen. We also cant hear replies from some of the pilots at times, so im assuming he was talking to another pilot who radioed in during the scuffle, but its unclear
What's a controller to do, when two pilots disregard all instructions? Granted, the yelling doesn't help, but two of the pilots outright refused to accept ATC direction.
Pilots are in control of their aircraft and the safety of the flight. If controllers give instructions that conflict with the safe operation they need to just tell ATC unable. Yelling turn faster if complied with could cause the aircraft to stall. VFR traffic is to be pointed out to each other by the controller so they are aware the other is there. It has been a few years since I worked ATC but I don’t believe Class Delta airspace towers provide radar separation for all aircraft as is done in B airspace.
I fear pilots like this, man. If ATC gives me something, I’m on it immediately…it makes everything flow smoothly. That’s why they’re there. The guys who “are outside the d so they don’t need to comply” are frightening. You’re willing to *die* on this hill, literally? Not only that but you’re supposed to comply with ATC regardless. If you’re in E airspace and you get instruction, legally you have to do it. I have no idea what this dude is thinking…
I actually feel bad for the ATC. He’s doing the best that he can and when you’ve got not one but two aircraft not following your directions of course things are gonna get heated.
I’m surprised at the number of comments that are against the controller. He seems in control of the situation. Maybe he’s a little tense, but to you want ATC that’s in Layla land?
People criticizing the controller are pilots who know about the airspace and know that he has no control authority outside of his bubble. Airports have different levels of control around them. Class B airspace which is for very large airports(DFW, LAX, DIA) their area of authority is like a upside down wedding cake that gets wider the higher above the ground you get, these you absolutely cannot enter without clearance from the controllers. Class C airspace is for smaller airports and they have a 5 mile circle down to the surface and a 10 mile circle up to 1200 feet above ground. where you just need two way communication with the controller to enter the airspace, that way they can vector you if they need to get you out of the way. Then this airport Class D which is only a 4NM radius that you need two way radio communication to fly into. Granite Springs which is where 2WL was orbiting is about 7-8 miles away from Danbury. WELL outside of the controllers airspace. Which means that he did not have any obligation to follow any directives from the tower. As some other commenters are saying What you cant hear on the radio is 2WL and others saying he has no authority to tell them where to go and they are going to resume their own navigation.
I still don't see what the controller did wrong? The aircrafts in question did not follow ATC instructions and sound like they argued when they were on a course with another airplane. This messed up the sequence of airplanes. When WL wouldn't listen, he told another airplane to do a L360 and they didn't comply. He later had to tell them do a R360 because of another airplane conflict. Just because it's four airplanes, doesn't mean it's "easy". I'm sure most of you in the comments aren't even ATC let alone pilots.
talking and literally screaming like he did, is NEVER right for a controller, on top of the conflicting instructions he's giving, this guy needs to quit or be fired
The confusion is overlay you are seeing with the video shows nothing about his Airspace. Most of these aircraft are operating in VFR rules and 234WL was not even in his airspace and not in any way obligated to talk to him. The only reason he was on his frequency was because he was looking to shoot an approach. After being looped around twice in the middle of nowhere over water he decided against going into that guy's airspace. Then decided to proceed to somewhere else under VFR rules that he is absolutely allowed to do.
They are outside of his airspace, flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace. The only thing the controller should have been doing is providing traffic advisories.
How fitting the location. Not surprised. I’m from this area. People are miserable from a lifetime of suffering. We’re wound very tight. Don’t light our short fuse.
When you fly into the northeast at night for many years ,you can't help but notice how much more heavily populated it is as compared to other parts of the country.Whenever you have areas where you have that many people ,they tend to.be more uptight
This was unusual and stressful. To have TWO pilots not following very clear instructions at the same time! If I was told turn right 360, I'd do it immediately.
Rule #1 never piss off ATC , they have no problem giving you a number to immediately call and have the FAA elbow deep in your 6 . It is always the Cessna pilots that just don’t get it . While you are putting around at maybe 100kts we are descending and pulling back to 300kts . IFR should be mandatory on all , VFR you are not going to see me flying by at 3X your speed and you do t want my jet wash .
Hi there - pilot for 46 years now. I find it best that the ATC not yell and scream. I may have questions or need to check over my shoulder to see what’s happening. Also, I need clarification why you want me to do a 360.
At 0.55 the controller told 4WL to fly south for 2 miles, then turn right to establish on final for runway 8. 4WL appeared to follow that instruction. Then at 2.00, as 4WL is making the right turn to establish on final, the controller says "I haven't given you a clearance yet?" Then he asks 4WL to make another right 360. Up until the controller asked 4WL to make another right 360, the pilot seems to have complied with everything the controller said?
Did the tower controller have the benefit of the radar ? On the video, it seemed like a piece of cake but if I was in the tower with binoculars maybe it is not as obvious?
The non-listening pilots certainly didn’t help them but as a tower controller that would’ve been cake for me and it was a way too difficult for this guy.
I don't understand why people are mad at this ATC. At one point RLI379 and N234WL were closing in on each other probably less than a mile; and 379 was a jet. I don't think WL ever appreciated that he was in real danger loitering around that area. Didn't help that 379 didn't appreciate how close he got to WL and 55H either.
Sounds like a good movie, seeing this poor controller with all his clearances ignored was funny. But there're are many situations where a pilot could not comply, emergency, loss of contact, loss of radio etc Is yelling the best solution? I don't think so.
Amen! Not only USA, but the whole world! Not listening, only yelling. Not saying that against the ATC guy, he was doing his best, I am sure. But saying that in the sense of the insanity and selfishness of people in this age...
Don't really see a problem. He's given instructions multiple, multiple times, the airspace is getting busier, and he has two pilots (three, if you count the plane he told to turn for immediate final) out there just saying, "Naw, ima do me, thanks." And when you're told to turn, standard rate is called standard rate for a reason; if he's telling you to turn, and you say you are, guess who isn't doing what really needs to be done, and guess who can tell you're not doing it?
I get these pilots were definitely in the wrong but this controller definitely wasn't helping. No traffic calls, no traffic alerts, got almost every callsign wrong, almost never said the runway. I'm sure the jet pilot would have been more receptive to traffic alert then make 360 now! Also if he gave a traffic alert and neither comply and they crashed into each other thats on them for not complying.
i would be pissed off too if pilots wouldn't follow instructions. Edit: Not to be that guy but having a like from the creator and 18 people is a MOM IM FAMOUS
Why is it so difficult for pilots to respond to ATC? It's seriously time to change the way airplanes communicate... we don't need all this fuzz and bad quality that makes it hard to hear.
I would be telling the tower I have a number for him to call when he calms down. I have flown in way busier airports and had much better communications than this guy. yeah i know a couple pilots were not listening to the tower, but the few that were didnt need that attitude.
Thay guy needs to not be in charge of any bodies life's he is scary as atc we have atc like that at chicago aurora airport and it's getting worse by the month
Perfectly certainly isn't true, I fly out of an uncontrolled airport and the amount of idiots who just do whatever they feel like and nearly cause collisions is alarming.
There have been several recent mid air collisions at uncontrolled airports in the past couple years because of people flying freestyle and not making radio calls
Person attempting to perform air traffic control has no business in that position. That’s based on 30 years of actually working air traffic control. I’ve never seen anything quite so horrendous.
I don’t know about you guys, but if ATC tells me I need to make a right turn immediately, I’m in the turn a second before I acknowledge the instruction.
Absolutely. Almost nobody was listening to his instructions especially WL
They are on VFR and separated.
It's not hard ,you listen to what they tell you to do ,read it back to him ,and then do it.
They broke off their approach and descended below the controller's airspacr. They were outside the controller's authority. They were operating under VFR and responsible for their own separation.
The controller should not have been talking to them at all. He should have been focused on the aircraft for which he was actually responsible.
Continuing to issue them instructions after they broke off and departed his airspace was a mistake. Losing his composure about it was unacceptable. If he has a pattern of this performance, he should be fired.
@@rivalarrival The controllers airspace is 5 mile radius of the airport from Ground level to the published altitude. You can't just break off an approach and go wherever you want once established without permission from atc.
I’d rather get reprimanded for yelling on the radio than having to deal with pilots deaths for the rest of my life.
Yelling at people is not professional... unless it really is an immediate, safety-critical matter. You don't yell in meetings or to get your way, however, if someone is about to drop something or crash a plane, absolutely scream and secure the situation, and save peoples' lives.
@ I dispatched 911 for 20 years and though I have had a few butt clinching calls, I didn’t necessarily yell, but in my head I was screaming 😊
The audio was trimmed, the pilots were all replying "make me" the whole time
He forgot the ATC trump card… “Verify you’re not following ATC instructions.” I only had to use that statement once in my 34 years.
Ooof, that's a hell of a transmission to make. I'm glad I never heard it.
Why’d you have to use it it you don’t mind sharing?
Sorry I'm an aviation noob. What are the implications of that statement?
@@Roseyforyou It can start an FAA investigation and, if the pilot is found at fault, can result in mandatory training, temporary suspension or revocation of the pilot's license.
I'm with ATC 100%. If guys wanna play the "technically I'm outside of the Delta" game then they can remain outside of the Delta. Wake up, clear the manure from between your ears, and pay attention. Clown show.
They were outside the delta.
To those who are dogging this ATC... have you ever worked in a tower? I have. And its hectic as hell. Especially when you can see things happening that nobody else sees. These planes look alot further apart than they are. Hes saving lives and these pilots are idiots. They shouldn't be flying if they cant follow instructions.
He's screaming at people who aren't in his airspace, are VFR, and have already told him they have visual on the other aircraft and they are no factor.
Don’t understand why ppl mad At ATC guy. He’s literally trying to save these pilot lives. Get out your feelings that he’s yelling at you and just listen instead of being stubborn. Now since you listen you can go home to your love one’s and have a hot meal instead of being dead. JESUS!!!
He was RUDE and out of control and if he kept his composure, he would be a safer AC man.
because he was yelling at those who were following instructions as well as this who were not.
Pilots not doing what they were told. Controller got a little heated but I felt he was trying to get their attention. When you have not one but two aircraft not following assigned vectors it can get very dangerous
So if this had been a video of a pilot ignoring the spoken orders of the ATC until they literally crashed into another plane, people would be criticising the ATC for having kept a business-like tone instead of trying to communciate the severity of the situation. At the end of the day the pilot(s) here didn't do what was ordered, and that is on them, not ATC
@@Studentofgosset wrong
@ I don’t find your argument convincing.
@@StudentofgossetVFR means you don't follow ATC.
@@kinghans6266 that wholly depends on where are you and your flightpath, or do you fly into commercial airports and ignore atc?
@@Studentofgossetwhen on VFR, yes
From a 21 year air traffic controller, some of you people don't realize, if in this occupation, pilots don't comply, aluminum showers may be the result. There are good pilots, there are Mediocre pilots and then those air headed pilots. Those in the last category are usually slated for the deep six. General aviation needs to work together to make it safe. Don't get your panties in a wad just because you are not able to do what you want. If I were flying into that traffic area and heard what was going on, I would have left and come back after the storm subsided. Work together, stay safe.
Down the crapper with four 80 kt airplanes. Ha ha! Obviously a washout from a real facility. Screaming and acting busy do not help the situation. Poor guy. Wrong occupation.
I’ll tell you as a professional pilot for 40 years wait until you’re staring down the chance that you’re about to have a couple of aircraft running into each other and they’re not complying with what the controller said. Have I had controllers make mistakes yes not very often though.. have I made mistakes yes there’s not a pilot out there that hasn’t. I want to controller voices raised and he says making an immediate turn. He has his reasons if you’re planning on surviving the day I suggest listening to his directions. It’s a team effort out there to keep everybody safe!
It’s not right to belittle anybody when you don’t know the whole story .
@@jefffiller1603 Controller for 40 yrs and private pilot. Screaming at low time pilots only makes things worse. Nothing gets accomplished. Look at the radar tape, he’s not busy. He is making himself seem busy. Nothing in that scenario required screaming and blowing a gasket.
Several years ago there was a plane told to stay at an altitude two hundred feet above pattern until on final, so he was to be at 1500’. He ignored instructions and descended into a helicopter, killing an instructor and student who were following ATC instructions. He ignored the raised voices and people are dead. I’d rather hear a controller getting a little hot than have people die. If you’re going to fly a plane you need to pay attention!
@@daviduhlir5655 you would have left and come back after the storm subsided.
That is exactly what these pilots decided to do. They left when they saw storm clouds on the horizon.
This controller went berserk **because** these pilots suddenly decided to leave his airspace to get away from him.
I'm surprised that he didn't give both 234WL and Reliant 379 pilot deviations.
@@QFWP They operated under VFR
They were not in his airspace, he was vectoring aircraft outside of his airspace, they technically have no obligation to even talk to him.
234WL was well outside of DXRs airspace at all times. ATC is completely out of line.
They are VFR, outside of his airspace. He is not controlling them.
SERENITY NOW, SERENITY NOW!!
Great, so insanity later
@@SPQRafc Exactly? Maintain calm while you're in the situation. Once it's over, THEN you can freak out. Duh 😂
Get out from my airspace! (few seconds later) 4WL, by any chance you still with me? 😂 😂
I just imagine his boss came over and put a firm hand on his shoulder.
at 4:49 he didnt say 4WL he said N2WH - which wasnt displayed on the video screen.
We also cant hear replies from some of the pilots at times, so im assuming he was talking to another pilot who radioed in during the scuffle, but its unclear
he forgot to give him the number 😅
These videos are good and are edited it well making it easy to understand appreciate the effort
5:10 BY THE GRACE OF TOWER CONTROLLER. EXCELLENT WORK, SIR!!!
I feel bad for the ATC controller.
What's a controller to do, when two pilots disregard all instructions? Granted, the yelling doesn't help, but two of the pilots outright refused to accept ATC direction.
There's a form for that.
When operating under VFR, you don't need to take orders from ATC
@@kinghans6266when you’re in an airport’s airspace with an operating control tower, you do.
@@keith7003 They are not
Pilots are in control of their aircraft and the safety of the flight. If controllers give instructions that conflict with the safe operation they need to just tell ATC unable. Yelling turn faster if complied with could cause the aircraft to stall. VFR traffic is to be pointed out to each other by the controller so they are aware the other is there. It has been a few years since I worked ATC but I don’t believe Class Delta airspace towers provide radar separation for all aircraft as is done in B airspace.
So many ppl here without any clue about the rules in the sky.
I fear pilots like this, man. If ATC gives me something, I’m on it immediately…it makes everything flow smoothly. That’s why they’re there. The guys who “are outside the d so they don’t need to comply” are frightening. You’re willing to *die* on this hill, literally? Not only that but you’re supposed to comply with ATC regardless. If you’re in E airspace and you get instruction, legally you have to do it. I have no idea what this dude is thinking…
I actually feel bad for the ATC. He’s doing the best that he can and when you’ve got not one but two aircraft not following your directions of course things are gonna get heated.
Feel for this controller, it’s an incredibly stressful job already without pilots ignoring your instructions.
Guy's over his head.
I see an early retirement in this controllers future.
What about the pilots? 4WL and RL379 completely disregarded instructions.
I see a stroke!
He’s in a position that he’s not well suited for. Air traffic control is an aptitude thing. He obviously has no aptitude for the job.
@@clinthanrahan859 Obvious how? The pilots aren't listening to him. Not his fault
@@aaronhiggins986they are VFR outside of his airspace. They didn't even need to be talking to him.
Some people just aren’t cut out for certain jobs.
ATC on-point
I’m surprised at the number of comments that are against the controller. He seems in control of the situation. Maybe he’s a little tense, but to you want ATC that’s in Layla land?
People criticizing the controller are pilots who know about the airspace and know that he has no control authority outside of his bubble. Airports have different levels of control around them.
Class B airspace which is for very large airports(DFW, LAX, DIA) their area of authority is like a upside down wedding cake that gets wider the higher above the ground you get, these you absolutely cannot enter without clearance from the controllers.
Class C airspace is for smaller airports and they have a 5 mile circle down to the surface and a 10 mile circle up to 1200 feet above ground. where you just need two way communication with the controller to enter the airspace, that way they can vector you if they need to get you out of the way.
Then this airport Class D which is only a 4NM radius that you need two way radio communication to fly into.
Granite Springs which is where 2WL was orbiting is about 7-8 miles away from Danbury. WELL outside of the controllers airspace. Which means that he did not have any obligation to follow any directives from the tower. As some other commenters are saying What you cant hear on the radio is 2WL and others saying he has no authority to tell them where to go and they are going to resume their own navigation.
He's screaming at people not in his airspace. Yes, the controller is 100% the problem here.
Phew! We all have bad days. Let's hope this was his worst day ever on the job.
Nope, just another Monday in Danbury, CT.
I worked a non FAA tower for 5 years. Was under staffed, underpaid and some applicants had issues that kept them from FAA hire.
Is there a missing audio here? How come whiskey lima isn't responding?
😂 whats everyone complaining about? Controller is literally the job.
I still don't see what the controller did wrong? The aircrafts in question did not follow ATC instructions and sound like they argued when they were on a course with another airplane. This messed up the sequence of airplanes. When WL wouldn't listen, he told another airplane to do a L360 and they didn't comply. He later had to tell them do a R360 because of another airplane conflict.
Just because it's four airplanes, doesn't mean it's "easy". I'm sure most of you in the comments aren't even ATC let alone pilots.
talking and literally screaming like he did, is NEVER right for a controller, on top of the conflicting instructions he's giving, this guy needs to quit or be fired
The confusion is overlay you are seeing with the video shows nothing about his Airspace. Most of these aircraft are operating in VFR rules and 234WL was not even in his airspace and not in any way obligated to talk to him. The only reason he was on his frequency was because he was looking to shoot an approach. After being looped around twice in the middle of nowhere over water he decided against going into that guy's airspace. Then decided to proceed to somewhere else under VFR rules that he is absolutely allowed to do.
They are outside of his airspace, flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace. The only thing the controller should have been doing is providing traffic advisories.
Both planes.
Imagine the swiss cheese on this midair collision.
Lotta people judging the guy who saw that episode of breaking bad and said "let's not do that"
Y'all go on though
How fitting the location. Not surprised. I’m from this area. People are miserable from a lifetime of suffering. We’re wound very tight. Don’t light our short fuse.
That sounds terrible, I have visited NE for work and always wondered. People in California seem to be the same way, need a break...
When you fly into the northeast at night for many years ,you can't help but notice how much more heavily populated it is as compared to
other parts of the country.Whenever you have areas where you have that many people ,they tend to.be more uptight
This sounds like the controller's fault.
I imagine the controller standing on his chair during this.
This was unusual and stressful. To have TWO pilots not following very clear instructions at the same time! If I was told turn right 360, I'd do it immediately.
I like this guy.
That controller was not that busy😂…. very possible he may be in capable of this profession 🎬✈️
At the end i didn't really hear anyone but the controller. Were the pilots still responding clearly and often?
Rule #1 never piss off ATC , they have no problem giving you a number to immediately call and have the FAA elbow deep in your 6 . It is always the Cessna pilots that just don’t get it . While you are putting around at maybe 100kts we are descending and pulling back to 300kts . IFR should be mandatory on all , VFR you are not going to see me flying by at 3X your speed and you do t want my jet wash .
Seemed to me that these clowns were all IFR rated.
I'm not a pilot. But I know that when ATC says to turn right, I turn right...not just keep doing what I feel like.
Hi there - pilot for 46 years now. I find it best that the ATC not yell and scream. I may have questions or need to check over my shoulder to see what’s happening. Also, I need clarification why you want me to do a 360.
He told November 4 Whiskey Lima to turn South over and over again, and he never did. At the end of the video he's still tracking NNE.
At 0.55 the controller told 4WL to fly south for 2 miles, then turn right to establish on final for runway 8.
4WL appeared to follow that instruction. Then at 2.00, as 4WL is making the right turn to establish on final, the controller says "I haven't given you a clearance yet?" Then he asks 4WL to make another right 360. Up until the controller asked 4WL to make another right 360, the pilot seems to have complied with everything the controller said?
Because he's VFR outside of the Delta and not being controlled by the ATC.
You Fired
Controller needs a new career......dude would get eaten alive at a major international airport
Wonder if the tower transmitter is busted or the slow guy was just stepping on him the whole time?
I feel sorry for that air traffic controller . I wonder what happened to the pilot of that aircraft and is he still allowed to fly after that ?
The controller was the problem. The pilots did nothing wrong.
208 should have licence stripped
Citation should get a warning for delayed action
Neither was in the Delta to begin with. He's literally acreaming at two aircraft not under his control.
Did the tower controller have the benefit of the radar ? On the video, it seemed like a piece of cake but if I was in the tower with binoculars maybe it is not as obvious?
ב''ה, there's a lot of terrain there.
Mr. Controller s/b reassigned to an uncontrolled airport! Whew...
The non-listening pilots certainly didn’t help them but as a tower controller that would’ve been cake for me and it was a way too difficult for this guy.
What was the problem? Didn't they hear the ATC?
Neither was in his airspace.
Nothing safe in that airspace the pilots best friend a 180 Deg turn I would have gone to my alternate if I heard that controller
I don't understand why people are mad at this ATC. At one point RLI379 and N234WL were closing in on each other probably less than a mile; and 379 was a jet.
I don't think WL ever appreciated that he was in real danger loitering around that area. Didn't help that 379 didn't appreciate how close he got to WL and 55H either.
Because the only problem was the controller.
What will happen to them pilots??
Sounds like a good movie, seeing this poor controller with all his clearances ignored was funny. But there're are many situations where a pilot could not comply, emergency, loss of contact, loss of radio etc Is yelling the best solution? I don't think so.
That is a snapshot of what America has become.
Amen! Not only USA, but the whole world! Not listening, only yelling. Not saying that against the ATC guy, he was doing his best, I am sure. But saying that in the sense of the insanity and selfishness of people in this age...
Sounds like he needs some help.
... so, there are times when he is giving flight path instructions and is just kidding around but, this isn't one one those times ??
Would have been useful to get the missing audio from the pilots.
There's always a reason, but this controller needs some retraining. Definately going to make the "Christmas tape" this year...
Danbury is another pvt tower. My past expettience with pvt towers is undermanned and controllers over worked.
Why is no one listening to him? 😂
My number one goal when I plug in at work is to not hear my voice on this channel. Too many issues here…
Don't really see a problem. He's given instructions multiple, multiple times, the airspace is getting busier, and he has two pilots (three, if you count the plane he told to turn for immediate final) out there just saying, "Naw, ima do me, thanks." And when you're told to turn, standard rate is called standard rate for a reason; if he's telling you to turn, and you say you are, guess who isn't doing what really needs to be done, and guess who can tell you're not doing it?
3 planes? why all the yelling
When half the people you're trying to keep safe don't follow your instructions, I think that would be considered a stressful situation
It only takes 1 plane to make an aviation disaster.
Without a doubt, the most unprofessional controller i have ever heard.
That ATC isn't fit for a tower.
So how calm and polite would you be if a plane under your control wouldn't comply with your instructions and was flying straight towards another?
@ATCandMore1 neither plane was under his control. They were VFR outside of the delta.
I get these pilots were definitely in the wrong but this controller definitely wasn't helping. No traffic calls, no traffic alerts, got almost every callsign wrong, almost never said the runway. I'm sure the jet pilot would have been more receptive to traffic alert then make 360 now! Also if he gave a traffic alert and neither comply and they crashed into each other thats on them for not complying.
That controller needs to be retrained and reassigned to a MUCH less busy airport.
He was fine, it's the non compliance and/or delayed action of the pilots that had his panties in a knot. I don't blame him.
ATC needs training if someone not respond you need to move others out of the way
i would be pissed off too if pilots wouldn't follow instructions. Edit: Not to be that guy but having a like from the creator and 18 people is a MOM IM FAMOUS
yoo thanks for the heart
How old are you?
@@the_guy_actual why
Controller needs a new career
Why is it so difficult for pilots to respond to ATC? It's seriously time to change the way airplanes communicate... we don't need all this fuzz and bad quality that makes it hard to hear.
I would be telling the tower I have a number for him to call when he calms down. I have flown in way busier airports and had much better communications than this guy. yeah i know a couple pilots were not listening to the tower, but the few that were didnt need that attitude.
Controller sounds like the fat guy from Beavis & Butthead who orders all the fast food and doesn't skimp on the gravy. IYKYK
Unbelievable…..what an absolute shit show this was.
Thay guy needs to not be in charge of any bodies life's he is scary as atc we have atc like that at chicago aurora airport and it's getting worse by the month
Time for an emergency PsychEval.
Time to .wallop
It’s amazing how uncontrolled airports work perfectly with no controllers freaking out we really don’t need you
We found N23WL and hes still bad
@ you’re right about that. That guy was a train wreck.
Yeah, and who needs radios?!? Stupid safety. Perfectly you say?
Perfectly certainly isn't true, I fly out of an uncontrolled airport and the amount of idiots who just do whatever they feel like and nearly cause collisions is alarming.
There have been several recent mid air collisions at uncontrolled airports in the past couple years because of people flying freestyle and not making radio calls
Person attempting to perform air traffic control has no business in that position. That’s based on 30 years of actually working air traffic control. I’ve never seen anything quite so horrendous.
Sounds like someone is in the wrong profession
Totally unfit to be an ATC
Controller should not be in this profession.
that ATC creep should be fired and charged
Worst controller
I realize the FAA has been big on hiring DEI folks…but a mental patient, that’s rich.
Kindly shove your bigotry up your rear.
isn't the electoral college DEI for red states?
That Jewish accent explains a lot
Could you elborate ?
@@wtfamousone9756I can, the previous poster is an asshole
Tell me you think you're gonna be a big hero in the race war, without telling me you think you're gonna be a big hero in the race war.
Idiot
Maybe the ATC needs to switch to decaf
RLI379 turn left 360. turn right 360.. wow. What a noob.
At the end i didn't really hear anyone but the controller. Were the pilots still responding clearly and often?