Time Battle - Enterprise B & C VS Enterprise D - Both Ways - Star Trek Starship Battles
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Today we are going to continue our cross generation battle and put the Enterprise B & C against the Enterprise D.
Will the Enterprise C be able to inflict damage to the Enterprise D?
Or will the Galaxy make quick work of both Enterprises?
Played in Star Trek Bridge Commander Remastered.
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The B getting utterly clapped by the ten torps was great. Such a huge jump compared to the other ships in the line.
I feel like that is way more representative of a Galaxy class. I feel like more often than not phasers aren't given their due in this game.
Indeed! I totally agree. We truly saw it’s capability’s against the Husnock warship (Even though unsuccessful) In remastered, I’ll be using this galaxy in future 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming this galaxy is definitely thr best one I've seen so far. Aside from the RBG refit of course. 😉
You are right that phasers are second fiddle. In the balances, the Galaxy's Type X phasers put out 120 hit points, while the Type VI Photon hits with 312 hit points. This is typical. Nebulas have 100 hit points for their phasers and same 312 for torpedoes. I think even the Sovereign's Type XII phasers are also 120 hit points but its quantums w/ 600 hit points. Torpedoes are the real game-winners. It is why the BC stock Cardassian ships are so weak. Cardassian doctrine relies heavily on beam weapons with their cruisers specializing in heavy cannons with few torpedoes. BC doesn't assign the stock ships with heavy forward cannons. The Galors have phasers with only 80 hit points each, and with Type IV torpedoes at 240 points. To properly balance a Cardassian ship, its main SWD cannon should have something like 400-500 hit points, with the secondaries at a modest 90. But as far as I know, the only TNG era Cardassian ship with properly balanced beams is Sci Fi's Hutet and its giant SWD cannons are like 750 hit points each second.
That is a galaxy class starship, we are no match for them!
4:05 Man! Poor Enterprise B! And it's TUESDAY! Also hate to see the C go down like it did as the Ambassador is my favorite design.
😲😳Oh gosh Admiral.. seeing the Enterprises like that fight each other eeh.. lol. Yes, the D is remade like Geordi said from scratch so better tech and the B got blown up in one shoot crikey.. lol. and the C lasted a good while. hmm.. Well Admiral, I would say would be true this battle.. but your tactics are great so even in the B you could make it happen.. just saying.. great battle Admiral!😊🖖 *Yup again.. Brex is the explosion alert.. when he freaks well, '' Bye for now'' lol!!!
Haha, thanks Steve. Imagine if the B beat the D! Someone has said it’s going to be very interesting when we get to the Enterprise E and F VS the G 😂🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes oh my.. that would have been crazy B wins against the D.. and oh boy.. E and F VS G.. gosh.. Brex is gonna need a lie down ..lol 😊🖖
Just because she was built during a time of unprecedented peace, doesn't mean she doesn't have a bite.
The D is a beast! 😆 There's a reason the show is called The Next Generation. That ship is too advanced compared to its previous Enterprises. That one shot taking out the B was amazing! 😂
🤔😨I just watched a video and missed this.. In Generations.. when Kirk was in the computer room with Isolinear chips, ''Venom Geek Media 9886'' confirmed , that the Ent B was not just an Excelsior class but a refit, and Ent B , and had a *cloak!* ... and his video actually shows the scenes from the movie and where the cloak controls are located.. OH MY!!!! WOW!🤯
Brex in Enterprise-C: Captain we have hull breaches on multi------ ship explodes.
-I laughed at that one.
My eyes lit up huge and I laughed really hard when you ONE SHOTTED the E-B. Holy crap I did NOT expect that to happen. I bet Captain Harriman was like, "Get us out of their weapons.....!" ship explodes.
Yup the clear winner was definitely the Enterprise-B.
The galaxy class is a beast my beloved c took a beating but was gallant.
Dam the Galaxy is very powerful top of the line... >.< Ty for the video and LLAP!
The most incredible thing to me is just how much of an upgrade the Enterprise C class got during the Dominion War as that ship with upgraded phasers, shields, AND quantum torpedoes but in that same shell has proven to be quite impressive.
Galaxy Venture upgrade. We should see top upgrades to all ships to see how they fare.
There's a phrase for what this is: seal clubbing. You killed the Enterprise B on the opening salvo!
I wonder. The shields might be overwhelmed when getting 10 photons dropped on it simultaneously, it doesn't have the instantaneous energy output to block it all even though it's at high strength. Maybe? I really need to get Bridge Commander.
That's correct, the D is superior in every way. Still... if you do it from both sides, you might find a way to beat it. Use the B as bait, it might last long enough to let Tasha fire enough torpedoes. 😆
Edit: Yep, it's hopeless, you're only hope would have been to use your phasers to shoot down the D's torpedoes. As the security officer in Lower Decks said, "They covered the spread."🤣
"It may be a matter of seconds or minutes, but those could be the minutes that change history."
Maybe your next Enterprise vs Enterprise is to see how many of each version it would take to win against each iteration. How many Nx vs OG Connie, then how many OG Connies and NX against Refit, How many NX, OG, Refits against the B. etc...
4:32 This is what I wanted to see during the Dominion War. The range of 24th century photon torpedoes would make a Galaxy-class act as something of a sniper that hangs back and picks off targets from afar. Have Defiants go in up close and weaken enemy shields so that you can finish up to 10 hostiles simultaneously.
I expect the USS Enterprise-H to have even more torpedo launchers capable of firing 10 torpedoes.
If one looks at the battle scenes in DS9, on several occasion in the background one sees Galaxy Class ships basically doing that. In the Battle of Cardassia, they are providing heavy phaser fire support while the Vorchas and Nebulas were engaging the Dominion Battleships and the BoPs and Miranda tangled with the Breen and Bug Ships. Tactically, it seems the show-runners used the ships with the heavy phasers as fire-support. During Operation Return, we saw most of the Cardassian Galor Type III Cruisers in the middle and rear lines, successfully using their SWD Lances to provide heavy direct fire support for the Bug Ships as they assaulted the Federation line. Romulan ships in the final episode were also hanging back and providing support for attack wings with their big T-Type disruptors.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Do you happen to recall if they ever showed a Galaxy-class firing 10 torpedoes at once? After I read that in the "TNG Technical Manual" I had to look up when it was released and it was printed before DS9. According to this the range of photon torpedoes is about 10 times greater than phasers. (About 2 times greater when talking about TOS torpedoes.) That is why their use of energy weapons for support is so strange. It is not like the Technical Manual wasn't out yet, it is as though they used FASA's Star Trek RPG statistics.
Picard series finally. Beverly Crusher manually takes out a mega cubes turret defenses in 1 pass 😂 "alot has changed in 20 years" is what she tells Geordi
The Galaxy class has not lost it's futuristic look as the source material has aged. Maybe it's because I am stuck in the 90's because I grew up in those times, but I would argue that the Galaxy class still looks highly advanced even in this era of Star Trek.
Little disappointed the Ambassador didn't hold up better. With the help of an Excelsior, I would have at least expected an uphill battle for the Galaxy class
I think the Ambassador was a piece of junk, which is why you see a ton of Excelsiors in the Dominion War and no Ambassadors.
@@peterthx I mean it managed to hold out long enough against 4 to 1 odds to convince the klingons to ally with the federation. By that reckoning the constitution class sucked as well given we still see Mirandas all over the place but no connies. More likely the Constitution and Ambassador class suffered from the same problem.
Some militaries like the US have a high/low policy of procurement. They have the really expensive, top of the line stuff for the most challenging situations, and then they have cheaper mass produced stuff for easier assignments. The constitution class was for a time the most capable ship in starfleet, but when the excelsior came along it was a huge leap in capability. The Mirandas were smaller and less powerful than the constitution, but still capable while being easier to build. If you wanted power you went for the Excelsior, if you want numbers you go for the Miranda. The Constitution didn't have a niche anymore.
Assuming the Ambassador class entered service in the 2340s, then little more than a decade later in the 2350s Galaxy class development would have begun. If starfleet saw they were going to have a bigger, more advanced standard bearer in just a few years, they may have limited the production run of the ambassador class to save resources for more galaxy production.
The Seawolf submarines and the F22 both faced limited production runs, and both are considered the best in their field.
TL;DR, just because there weren't many Ambassadors doesn't mean they were bad.
Yeah, this was going to happen. On a 1000 point scale, the Galaxy is 1000 and the Excelsior E-B variant is like 300 at best. The Ambassador is weighing in around 575-600. The only way to even things out is somehow get the D chasing the B while the Ambassador targets its sensors. The Galaxy Class throws so many torpedoes. Those aren't Picard era photons are they?
I totally agree with your numbers. The torpedoes are from the Star Trek Generations movie. So, visually speaking similar of not identical to the ones from Picard 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Ah yes, they are! Nice touch.
Both ship were supposed to be state of the art in their day, so of course the D has about 40 year gap. The biggest boost in technology came after the D encounter the Borg and even more during the Dominion War. I remember watching an extra on the Voyage box set that explained the reason that tiny Science vessel bested even the Borg ,at times, was all of the Dominion War inspired tech that was built into the USS Voyager.
That’s so cool! Love how Voyager was part of the newer generation of ship that had the Borg in mind. 🖖
Instead if in-system warping, fire off a probe at the start of engagement,and itll travel away forever. If you need to run, target the probe and set intercept course, youll warp out of the system and stay in pursuit of a 6800kph target. The enemies cant keep up with you
Funny Video is 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟.
Man the Excelsior performed as well as it did on screen, getting one tapped by everything lmao.
One thing I've noticed in your videos is that you rarely aim for the sensor array. That should always be your first objective. If the enemy can't see you (or at least lock onto you) then they're at a severe disadvantage. In a fight like this one, the Enterprise-C's primary goal should've been to blind the Enterprise-D as quickly as possible, with a secondary objective of destroying the impulse engines.
If the Ent-D couldn't see or move, it could easily be torn apart by the Ent-B and Ent-C.
Some people might say that's not "fighting fair" but so what? This isn't about fighting fair, especially since the Ent-D is much more powerful than either the Ent-B or Ent-C.
So I'd really like to see this match-up again, except with you specifically going for the Ent-D's sensor array.
Personal opinion: The Alarrowhead design aesthetic of federation starships is cool, but it only really worked for Voyager. I respect the Sovereign, but in my opinion, it's still not as "futuristic" or "advanced" as the semi oval of the Galaxy Class.
The B i understand, thats much older, but the C shouldn't have been bossed around quite like that. The D has more chooch in her choch in the weapons area but its shields were not were it was at especially if you are referring to its seasons 1-2 configuration of TNG.
Take your RBG Galaxy and pit it against steve P DW ambassador (is quantum outfitted) + Lakota. The final configurations or find the initial first configuration for the ships. Both ways would be interesting, putting them in similar spots in their life cycle.
Is it me, or does the Galaxy Class look kinda evil when its coming at you with its forward phasers firing? That is one ship I wouldn't want to anger. Especially the Dominion War refit. Freaking monster.
Totally! It’s amazing how a ship can transform so quickly. Of course the CSS world Razer may be the most evil looking ship ever 🖖
If the warp core being hit is a near fatal blow, why isn't it better protected? Can't wait for the next one 🖖
Very true! Some ships have really good protection. However ships from the TNG era and back don't! 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Interesting!
I cant wait to see G v F+E =]
Not gonna lie, seeing the E-B get obliterated by 10 photons made me sit up and repeat. I see you, Galaxy class
😂😂 I’m expecting a similar story with your Sovereign Class vs the Enterprise C 😂
I expected the D to win without too much problem how ever in TNG it always appears the Enterprise D has thin shields, At least till Barclay mind melds with an alien probe & manages to use the warp nacelles to boost em by 300% So I was surprised the C wasn't able to do some damage of note given how much LT Yar hyped up her tactical abilities vs Romulan ships of her day in Yesterdays Enterprise.
E, F and G are drinking blood wine and laughing at their predecessors. 😛
Now do it with 2 ambassadors and 1 Enterprise D!
Lol... Perhaps time for an NX Enterprise, Original Enterprise, Enterprise A, B, C, D, E, F, and G versus the Enterprise J.
The Enterprise-C was destroyed in the 2340's, not launched in them; it had been serving for around a decade before the battle at Narendra III.
In fact, why don't I just give you a timeline of when each Enterprise served? (Please note some of these dates are from beta canon and should be taken with a grain of salt.)
NX-01: 2251 to ~2261
NCC-1701: 2245 to 2285 (refit in '70 - '71)
-A: 2286 to 2293
-B: 2293 to ~2329
-C: ~2332 to 2344
-D: 2363 to 2371
-E: 2372 to ~2385
-F: ~2386 to 2401
-G: 2402 through current
-J: ~2600's
5 Constitution-class ships vs the Galaxy-class
I wish Bridge Commander would take into account the size of the phaser strip when it comes to damage output. The main purpose of the phaser strip vs banks was that it allowed more phaser emitters to gather their energy into a single blast vs the two emitters in a phaser bank. In the ST TNG tech manual the Galaxy classes ventral and dorsal strip contained 200 phaser emitters within the strip. Even with the law of diminishing returns the strike from a Galaxy classes phaser strip would be immense. The larger the phaser strip the more energy it could output. So a Galaxy class should have the single largest damage per strike because of its immense size.
The game really nerfs the heavy phasers. The Galaxy Class' Type X phasers put out 120 hit points per beam. But a much smaller ship like the Ambassador puts out like 100 hit points. In reality, so to speak, the Type X was at least 40% stronger than the Type IX. The Type XII was 40% stronger than the Type X.
I seriously believe that when you're trying to comment that you're missing obvious things to improve your flying to avoid some damage. In the first battle when you were in the C, I was watching and you could see that the D was turning around and instead of you making your own turn left and avoiding largely its forward firing arc, you turned right which immediately put you into that and it destroyed you. So with obvious things like that, you can extend how long your ship lives if you're not turning back into a forward firing arc, where the other ship has a bigger advantage on you.
Jordy clearly stated that old ships could out run and maneuver enterprise D at impulse speeds . I’d say the game could be off on that point
When you do e vs d and c only use photon's for a more balanced try
How about doing the canon Ent-C and the Probert Ent-C vs the D.
How about a battle of Nerendra 3 if the Ent D returned with the C?
Something's off balance here. On average the C torpedoes did 3.8% damage. Enterprise D is a beast but it would not take 26 photon torpedoes to drop 1 of 6 aspects of shields. That's insane. Each one the D torpedoes did 3-4x as much damage. Of course shield strengths would be different but not by a factor of 2x or more (alternatively the C generation of torpedoes wouldn't be so weak in comparison).
Hey badger how about the enterprise f vs the think tank from voyager
That was a bloodbath the enterprise d won with ease as it should poor old enterprise b what a way to go
Please do the battle with the Enterprise A, B, and C.
I did, published it last week :-). ruclips.net/video/LJATAYCQHDQ/видео.html
Have you ever done any reverse Kobayashi Maru challenges, such as a D'deridex vs 3 Galaxy class
I haven't, that's a great idea. I'll plan some for future vids! 🖖
Galaxy-X Enterprise D and the Enterprise E vs Enterprise F.
You have to stay closer to the D you can handle a phaser blast better than a torpedo. You sound try to ambassador classes
The USS Enterprise D was the first Starfleet ship to feature fish in the ready room and crushed the previous two USS Enterprises. Coincidence? I think not!
It also had two Crushers. Coincidence? I think not!
[disappears from existence]
[screams out loud] Descaaaaaartes!
You never actually played as the Enterprise B versus the Enterprise D. Maybe the computer will use the Enterprise C as bait and you can do something in the B?
Dr, can you play the star trek legacy? the one vs one ship?
I would like to these Ship s go against Stargate Sg1 BC304
They usually did the galaxies dirty in the series, when they are TRUE BATTLESHIPS, so much potential.
Peculiar - why are the stars showing through the ships in the opening animations?
🤔 It might be one of Admiral Pressmans experiments? Seriously though… I’m not sure 😂
i do it all the until Geordy get kidnap
This realistic enterprise a was multi continental enterprise b multi continental+ enterprise c is moon level enterprise d is moon level+ to borderline small planetary. So it would nakedness for the galaxy class I pretty much one shot enterprise b.
Enterprise C this a powerful starship
Why try with some warbirds Enterprise c
Star Trek ships are accurate to millions of kilometres so why are you getting in within spitting distance in all of your videos generally wondering because even in Star Trek Online you can fire 10 km away from the Enemy?
Ive beaten galaxy with Ambassador I think you just suck at this game