1993 Supra vs 2020 Supra Review - Is The A90 A True Toyota Supra Successor?
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2019
- The fifth generation 2020 Toyota Supra is finally here, and we we're lucky enough to get behind the wheel of this hype-machine of a sports car two months prior to its official release.
But can it stack up to the legendary status MKIV Supra? We decided to find out.
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Where in Virginia are y’all I live in Virginia as well
At least it aint electric
I don’t even care how involved BMW was in building this car. I still want it. It still captures the concept of the previous Supra: RWD, sporty handling, and a turbocharged 6 cylinder engine
but the essence of a supra is being japanese, not german
@@santiagokinen4711 It's not cause it's japanese, it's cause you can tune it to hell
@@santiagokinen4711 It literally outperforms the previous generation 🤦🏼♂️🤣🤣
@@350z33hr no it doesn’t lol
@@ChromeMan04 huh in what way lol? There’s nothing mk4 could do better other than get + points for being on F&F which turned around its poor image in a market it was already removed from, it was heavily criticized from track driving to price (60k+ $ todays money)
Heck even the new engine has been proven to handle higher levels of boosts the 2JZ couldn’t.
I would genuinely like to learn what insights you have.
Toretto: You owe me a 10 Second car.
Toyota: No u
Wow this actually makes more sense than I 1st thought damn lol
OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Except stock mk4 supra is not a 10 second car
They got pretty close tho
This BMWhaaa version of the Supra will never be as tunable. It’s too complicated and other than the Toyota tuned Engine, everything else if just forced. I have only seen videos of this Supra loosing to Mustangs, and all other vehicles. Complete sham (tear drop)
**takes new Supra to dealership to be serviced**
Toyota dealer: _What da fudge is this?_
DJBATMANGOLD they train the Toyota mechanics to keep them updated and able to work on them
DJBATMANGOLD *BMW Dealership
DJBATMANGOLD or Why did you bring a BMW here?
it’s so frustrating what they did to their Supra legacy . dumbass Toyota . this isn’t even a Toyota let alone a Supra .
dfj0 *BMW dealer ship
Who else watched this whole video waiting for the 2 cars to square off like in the picture? Gotta love click-bait!!
Not me, Maybe stop whining.
Same. I actually down voted it because of that. I didn't even really watch it just skimmed through for the goods.
@@wichaelalone who let you out of the kitchen?
@@DTB2.0 If you look at the thumbnail you can tell that it is photoshopped. I didn't come expecting to see them driving on track together, and certainly not so close
@@wichaelaloneok since you're gonna be a little bitch about it I will.
6:32 Your lips try to talk up the automatic, but your foot knows you're lying.
Lol
Stephen Miloscia yep, auto can be faster but it’s not better. BMW Z4 in an automatic? I mean really that’s a Sunday driver for a wife or something, not for a man. Especially when it’s not even made in japan. It’s made in Australia and Europe, BY BMW. So it’s not even a Toyota. Being indulged heavily in drifting and jdm culture I know many Toyota collectors who won’t even buy this car ever because it’s not a real Toyota lmao. And these guys are die hard about everything Toyota performance and own many new and old cars and trucks.
Manuals are almost dead. I think the mk5 we have right now isnt the best supra 5 toyota is gonna make. Like what doug demuro said, i think this would be the base car.
i had to rewind to notice he almost got me
Who else is binge watching Supra reviews?
Me!
@@albonfilms 😄
Like there's a choice if you're on RUclips today lol
Me
Been watching since 10am lol
Mk4 Supra=Like
Mk5 Supra=Comment
👇
Edit:Thanks for all these likes! I never reached this amount likes before,and again,Thanks!
New is ugly asf.
Both are ❤
Mk4 Supra Like.. MK5 Z4 Comment
Both
2020 supra is cooler
Toyota’s are reliable, and inexpensive to fix. BMW’s are not.
@REEL SIXX He wasn't talking about the Engine..
2JZ is not cheap to maintain you know
you must of never heard of "supra tax"
I’ve been saying this. Anything in the engine bay is overpriced because it’s European. Give me Japanese hands In my engine bay and keep your euro parts.
@@thezig2078 but its a stable engine
Dude, for such a small channel, you have super amazing production quality. This is an awesome review. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
As a backup to this statement, I thought you had 70k+ subs before I read this comment. You guys can make it big! Keep up the excellent commentary - that sets you apart!
Not shitting on this channel or anything but i think Toyota gave auto journalists some shots, Engineering explained reviewed this Supra too and has exatly the same rolling shots
The way you tried to look for a clutch was hilarious
Yea the fake heel/toe lol
Ikr
LKRG really no stick on this car???👎 ill stick with the old one
@@Juan-vn9fn yep but i like it still
LKRG i guess but the old one looks better imo
Sports cars are for fun. No third pedal, no fun.
All the yes.
ikr manual gears are the motherfuckin' best
boomer
To be fair they have made the first manual supra(google it)
If I got one I'll just Mod it to change it to a Manual Transmission!
And yes I know I would possibly get a slower 0-60 time but it would be more fun to drive a Manual car than an Automatic!
Toyota logo
BMW body
BMW engine
The old SUPRA will never be the same
its like Nissan GTR working whit Audi, it wont be the GTR we know
The whole body was Toyota BMW had nothing to do with exterior looks other than length restrictions from the chassis.
@@codysmith9813 Cody is right, the only thing BMW is the motor. Toyota worked very closely with BMW in the build of that motor as well. Insuring that it would be the quality motor that Toyota people expect. Everything else about the car is Toyota.
jlovebites people are underestimating Gazoo Racing...
Those people are building the best Le Mans cars that the competition has ever seen.
They were the ones who tested the b58 engine... if it passed their tests, better believe that they’re gonna fit the name “supra”.
Yojhari Hernandez BMW body, no. The BMW is way better looking than this pile of random body lines and fake scoops and vents.
I like the new Supra but it'll never replace the legend 94 Supra! 2jz for life🤙🏼🇯🇵
@Marin Kustić really?
@Marin Kustić no, it is impossible
You can swap a 2j in the a90.
Amen to that brother no bmw can beat that unfortunately
the best 1994 supra
the new supra is basically a Kakashi with sharingan. it may be cool, great, awesome and all, but he's never a real uchiha
I Really like your comparison
bruh, why you gotta Naruto this?
True
lol
Kakashi is way cooler anyway
Ah 93 Supra vs 2019 BMW Z4, I’ll take the Supra
No its supra vs supra ya whiny salty bitch
Yeah, same
@@weirdo17-_-35 do I look like you mom? name a part on the new car that is not made by BMW, yeah thats what I thought
@@Dudafrego7717 body panels?
@@jariszulqarnain4241 Lmao, you forgot to mention the logos, the Toyota logos for sure are not made by BMW, that means its not a BMW
It's kinda hard to believe that that's from 1993, It looks so good!
i think it looks like a fish
That latest Supra reminds me of the story of the RX-8 from the RX-7
He at least the RX8 came relatively out after the RX-7 and not three decades
@@mockemperor953 lmao 😂
@@mockemperor953 Ikr XD
@@ACommenterOnRUclips lol 😂 yeah boy, now I look at it.... Yeah!!!! 😂
@@ACommenterOnRUclips I think you mean the clown shoe if I'm not mistaken.
heel toe.. in a automatic 💀 6:31
It was actually an Indian dance
It reminded me of clarksons farmkhana
Must be using pedal shifters
lol
@@charleyssss They may blip the throttle like the 06+ Infiniti m45's auto does.
*takes new supra to dealership mechanic*
Toyota dealer: "You have to go to BMW."
Myth busted
hahahahaha 😐
Great editing/voiceover. Your biggest strength is inspiring emotion in your videos
Thank you! That means a lot!
Not going to lie. Never heard of this channel but right now out of all the videos I watched this is the best out together video. Great job fellas. You got my sub.
Just subbed after reading this. I hope they give you something for it 😆
So say we all.
Newest Supra: Daniel
Old Supra: The Cooler Daniel
uno reverse card
Toyota Supra M: no u
(Yes. I can see them release a M version)
Good video, i still prefer the OG supra, the styling and the noise. I just like it more and thats okay if you don't agree. Humanity wouldn't go any where if we didn't think differently about different things.
Theres the SUPRA!!!!, and then there is a car NAMED Supra!!!!
Cricis11700 true i know that we try to accept it but idk there is a lot of bmw in like mabey 80 percent of the car and don’t get me wrong I like it but it will never be legendary like the mk1 mk2 mk3 and mk4
it's ok, 90% of you critics won't be able to afford it anyway 😂
@@kgtp savage, lol.
@@kgtp Reality is often disappointing
Toyota made it ...its a supra who are you to say otherwise grow up and make your own car
The old toyota supra has the best cockpit of all time
Lachie Pillig I find the cockpit ugly in the old one lol
S2k???!!
That's what I keep saying, but it's funny how all these car reviewers don't mention that at all..
As an owner, I'm admittedly biased, but have you ever sat in/driven an FD RX7? The first time I ever sat in one, the cockpit felt like it wrapped around you. The MKIV cockpit felt large and airy by comparison to me.
NSX or R34 has much better cockpit
I own a MK5 Supra - tuning and aftermarket parts are plenty, it’s a true bang for the buck 500 to 600 hp car
6:33 when you try to do a rev maching with no cluch
My feet when i'm getting road head 6:28
😂😂😂😂
The new BMW Supra will never replace the old legendary Toyota Supra.
Which one? Lol, every Supra gen is different
The present and the future will never mean anything to people trapped by nostalgia.
@@Ignacio.Romero2JZ
already has, And which supra are your referring to.
@@alejandropagan2817 How you know 2JZ is also BMW................................
Mk5 supra :dude I almost had u
Mk4 : u had me?! Nah u never had me u never had the legacy
*Fixed*
Mk4: u had me?! Nah, I'm 30 years old and look great behind nostalgia goggles. You're only brand new.
Beyonce Knowles , has Legacy. However , she isn't better than Rihanna, nor Mariah Carey.
I'll give Beyonce credit though.
At first I wasn’t a fan of the new Supra. Now they’re coming out with a manual transmission. Its a no brainer brand new Supra over a used older supra for the same price
Dealer markups will probably hurt the sales of this supra. Just like what happened with the Honda Civic Type R.
I can see let's hope it doesn't.
Facts
If consumers don’t settle for the markup, it goes away. They are selling type r’s at sticker price in Houston. They tried it at first, but due to poor sales it went away quickly.
Right i have yet to see an actual type r in person or on the road
@@LimkoGaming I've seen 10 already I live in Canada in the city. You must live in the middle of no where or in your state nobody is really buying them as much.
Good work boys... I remember beating my neighbors stick 94 supra with my 89 trans am all the way to 90 mph... Then the supra just boosted to 165 mph, whereas my trans am would be somewhere in that range but way behind... You boys bring back the memories of the good ol days !!! Good job guys... Keep it up
Here let me fix this for you. Supra but it's made by BMW so it's pronounced "Scheisse"
Nah its pronounced "supra"
@@az3253 $hit
@@monkeybuttslap The F1 mclaren is sheisse then as well. Or are we now ignoring BMW making great engines or what? Also there have been 1000hp mk5 supra build/builds. You can look them up
@@pet3r387 "the McLaren F1 is a rebadged 850csi"
Supra mk4 fans. Probably
Purists: noooo you can't make a BMW reliable and call it a Supra
Toyota: no u
after 25 years, Toyota proved that they were no better for designing cars
The MK4 A80, don't look better without some mild Body Kits.
6:33 *HINT FOR TOYOTA AND BMW* Something is missing...
😋
Then again believe it or not, Tada-san (chief engineer) in interviews stated rumours that a manual transmission option is rumoured to happen based on demand. But since the internet is demanding for a manual-equipped MKV Supra... the only metric that will back up that supposed high demand, are and will be the sales chart.
I'mJustFarhan and the thing is this car will sell like hot cakes lol
I didn’t know I’ll get this much thumbs up. Cool, so I see most agree lol
Vutha Annabelle Ariella yes we do
1993 Supra Is The Best Man!!!
The fast and the furious ruined the car scene for me.
It’s got a BMW heart and the proportions of a 370Z. An excellent car but this time the student did not surpass the master. But it’s a young platform. It can still grow.
It literally surpassed the MK IV lmao.
Better than FRS
@@amazingtiktokmedia6544 no it didn't.
@@silversonic99 easily did lmao. 30 years of tech bud. Keep dreaming
Go watch the interview with Tada-san. It's a tuner car. It's literally made with the aftermarket in mind. The radiator is twice as big as it needs to be. All of the ducting is already there. Etc etc etc.
I don't buy 1st gen. anything. I'm still waiting on shops to get the aftermarket parts going before i think about buying the A90.
Smart man
I’m waiting for the manual transmission
Im waiting till depriciation....
Because im poor
Never 1st gen,anything. Especially electronics
So I should never buy a MK1 Supra? Cmon it has the M engine
Can that motor reliably make 1000hp ?
Yes
My favorite Toyota Supra of all.
1996 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo..
Nah. The 1996 supra needs a supercharger with a dyer blower
Single turbo is the way to go though.
Great review, guys! Second best one on RUclips ;) Great meeting you both, come on up to Canada for a visit any time.
We'll be there in 8 hours, keep the ASS2000 warmed up for us
@@albonfilms better hurry, and bring your checkbook, because you just bought it ;)
@@speedacademy 😮
Mk4 supra is the real deal the end. If u want mk5 buy a z4 lol
@B. C. true but it wasn't BMTrabuleu. It was Toyota after all.
Short awnser is no. Its an automatic Z4.
I think that's redundant. There won't be a manual Z4, either.
Bara kameena hey yeh bara kameena
According to Toyota and BMW, the Z4 has a different approach to the design compared to the Supra. Parts are mostly the same, but design initiatives are different. And as he stated, the main reasons why Toyota has been pairing with other companies to make sports cars is because they need a lot of help with new and restrictive laws.
@@bluspectre2042 toyota is pulling themself out of sportscars. Seen any toyota cars in movies and games lately? No? Thats because toyota doesnt want to be seen as a sportscar maker like it used to.
Toyota is more intrested in becoming something boring like Daihatsu or Hyundai.
@@vadenummela9353 Actually Hyundai is far more interested in being viewed as a sporty car maker. I mean just take a look at the Stinger, a car clearly aimed at the sports sedan market.
The new Supra MK5 would’ve been GOLD had Toyota let Yamaha develop a new and unproved 3JZ turbo for the MK5
fanboys loathe this car, but the guy in this video literally points out how much better this car is than the mk4, it may be similar weight like the mk4, with all the safety features i might add, proving how much better the chassis is, he points out how much better the b58 is than the 2jz with both in stock form, the mk4 supra wasn’t “a true supra” because it looked nothing like the mk3, which frankly is the last “real supra” ever made since it was the last with the m-series engine, the original supra engine, and unless you’ve driven a toyota in your life you have absolutely ZERO right in saying that this isn’t a real toyota, you have to drive this car in order to feel it truly shine, but even then the fanboys are saying that this guy was “paid” to say what he said, when they never had the chance to get behind the wheel, because they get their panties in a twist when someone that actually has driven the car says something they don’t agree with, because we live in a fucking society
I fully support Toyota and I'm really thankful they decided to make a new version of the Supra and that they put a lot of thought into it and made a great sports car. It will have a great aftermarket and in time it's reputation will prove the naysayers wrong.
The aftermarket is definitely looking like it's ready to go with this platform!
I highly doubt that. But your positivity intrigued me.
Speed Demon honestly i was skeptical at first about it but then i changed my mind about it i mean bmw can make some good engines not very good reliability but they still make good power like the n54 good engine for some decent power but wastegate rattles and blown turbos but if maintained i guess could be good
Yeah, no. Toyota will drop it in the US due to sales numbers. Nobody can afford the insurance any more.
XrZLimko the good thing is since BMW is working with Toyota so the B58 met Toyota’s reliability standard so this engine will be very reliable and from past dyno test the B58 with minor bolt ons you’re already in the mid 400hp close to 500hp on bolt on alone these engines like to make power and with Toyota sending BMW intel on what to improve even if it’s a 9.5/10 Toyota will send the intel to make that part a 10/10 now
Standard handbrake + Manual transmission... SOLD. I hope its in the works.
It is
Manual trans is coming. Standard handbrake probably not
martin villaflor There’s a manual petition at www.change.org/p/toyota-motor-company-add-a-manual-transmission-for-the-new-toyota-supra
Sweet video review guys! Awesome camera and video editing work. Very lucky to get your hands on the A90.
Imagine if Honda helped make the Supras. I would be very excited to see an (Acura) Toyota Supra.
Interesting to see Honda and Toyota collaborate on a future sports car.
It be nice, but Honda is capable of making its own sporty/super car without other manufactures, NSX/CTR.. I wish Toyota would do the same...
@@dragodavidCE
Well said
Anthony 911 is it just me or do a lot of Hondas, not all but a lot, are used by ricers?
@@6thgear914
They kind of are.
@@dragodavidCE I think you mean Honda is willing to lose money to make its own supercar that no one buys because there are better options out there and their price point is entry level for a demographic that is capable of spending much more for something better. There's a reason Toyota is a significantly more profitable company than Honda. I say that, and originally the LC F got shelved and I've read stuff they might be releasing one in 2022? I don't know the full story there. My take is that as soon as you get into the 125-150k pricerange for cars, you're also competing with 175-200k cars... and there's a lot more refinement and tried and true luxury and performance in that range.
I will take the older one with the 2jz...
Exactly.. This is the point they missed in this video. The thing that made the old Supra brilliant was the 2JZ engine and the sheer over-engineering that went into the car. The gearboxes and diffs were strong. There are many early Supras producing 4 figure outputs using the standard block, cylinder head, crankshaft, oil pump, gearbox and diff reliably, Is this BMW platform over-engineered to the same degree? I suspect not.
People simply don't understand that we can appreciate this car, yet disapprove of the SUPRA badge on it. It does not deserve the SUPRA badge no matter how many videos claim it does. Give this car the respect it deserves.........with a new name.
That's because you have good taste in cars
@@johnwilson1794 That'a a common misconception, the 2JZ in its stock form can only handle around 600hp maybe a little more reliably anything higher than that and the life of the engine is seriously impaired. The 1000+hp ones you see have upgraded internals pistons, piston rods, clutch etc maybe stock crank. It's possible that the B58 in the new Supra will be able to do the same. Remember the predecessor of the B58 the N54 is the only modern engine labelled "The new 2JZ", look it up. Also, the 2JZ was made by Yamaha or in collaboration with Yamaha not exclusively by Toyota and the transmission by Getrag. I think they did a great job considering that the new one sells for around $50k MSRP. If BMW had made it, it would cost at least $70k. They also said that they worked with the BMW engineers to improve the reliability of the engine. We'll see, time will show
You also gotta be open minded when it comes to the new Supra. The b58 engine is a great engine, it’s an I6, twin turbo, and a closed deck. There’s a stock b58 engine with a turbo kit that makes 750+ hp out there. Y’all just gotta give the car some time. I think it looks dope and it has potential. Plus Toyota is working on a full manual version I’m pretty sure.
This is a phenomenal video, I have no idea how you aren’t bigger! Keep up the good work man.
Thank you!
the new supra look just straight sickens me..
Same the 1994 look makes me satisfied but the new car designs today look horrid
So far this is might be the most Relevant Opinion on the new Supra I’ve ever seen across the Internet. It’s not great, Too much BMW parts, but that doesn’t make this car bad. I’m look forward to the Performance.
I cant wait to get mine! JZA80 for the weekends and A90 for the daily!
Yes! That's the dream!
That zf auto need transmission fluid change very often..
Congrats man! But PLEASE tell Toyota to release the manual! If the manual comes out, I'd probably trade in the auto for the manual asap lol
JZA80 would work better as a daily.
@@campkira wrong it lasts 70k, but people change it every 30 or 50k
These men look like the average 2020 Supra buyer.
Best comment here
Anthony Hales why would you sell it a car is a car no matter what snd cars should be loved idc if its a accord i would drive this thing around all day because even though it dosent have all the supra details and it dosent quite look like a old supra dosent mean its shit... and Mabey Toyota would offer a 2jz option or you can swap it out yourself idk why the NSX and the Supra get so much shit their driver cars and the market is changing Mabey i just made the supra not look like a hated car :/
WIMPY BETA MALES....lol
I laughed when they said it feels like a Toyota. And I'm a BMW owner and previous owner of 4 Toyotas lol.
It's a gayomatic... why would you make it an automatic in the first place.. just like a GTR. This car is for posers.
NS-X , GT-R , Miata and now the Supra . All legendary JDM's are back . If I've missed anything then remind me please.
Now we wait for the S2k & Evo reboot
People don't realize what this is, it The last of a dying breed of affordable rear-wheel drive sports cars. Think about it what was the last successful affordable sports car, the GT 86 was great but nobody bought it the new Miata was amazing nobody bought it.
Both of those are low powered, agile lightweights.
Car enthusiasts didn't buy it, why? Their new. Not old. Thats it.
Mustangs and Camaros still exist my man
@@jellybIood In North America yes with a doubt, but rest of the world not so much.
The 86 was 2/3-3/4 of the way to a great car. They half assed it. It needed more power. More aggression. It was too watery.
Why toyota, why... We wanted the legendary supra and you gave us a bmw. 😞 however I recently just heard that all the BMW parts were tested by toyota to meet reliability standards.
Today'sTopic Toyota Supra with bmw engine
If you don’t like it don’t buy it
Without BMW they would never have made the next generation Supra. So would you rather have a Toyota Supra with a little hint of BWM or nothing forever?
GloomyGuns lol ok
@GloomyGuns You just don't want to accept the fact it will be a good car. Have hope.
Tbh I think they should of released with a fully re worked 2jz with the same reliability we all expect from a Toyota engine.
3 name changes allowed every 90 days. Let's take into consideration some factors. How much does it cost to create a whole new engine? Most companies design an engine to be used in multiple applications. However, since Toyota just created a bunch of new platform on existing engines, IE Toyota Global Architecture and GA-L, they have no real reason to make a next gen JZ motor. Considering that back in the 90s when they made the 1UZ, it cost over $500Mil just to develop that. Adjust it for today's inflation rate and it doesn't make sense as the car itself is already close to $50k without a chassis. Let's also look at EPA regulations and having to design a car to crash test. I'd estimate between $500-750Mil just for chassis development. How does that affect the consumer? Well, your Toyota Supra is now $100K. Look at how the NSX was designed and built in-house.. it's expensive being over $100K and not many people are buying them. I can never ever look at that car and say I can buy one. Realistically, it's not within MOST consumer's budget. Yes, if we build a Supra like how fanboys want it, will they cough up that money to buy it? Will you honestly say you'll be a 100K Supra? I don't think so because you'd give me a reason why not to buy it because there are "other cars much faster than the new Supra for less than $100k." The point is, no one will ever truly be happy.
There's so much layers of development and so much agencies to go through that Toyota would never have the ability to build a true Supra. Now, if we support and buy this Supra, we give them a DAMN good reason to make a Mk.VI that would be our wet dream. That is my 2 cents. Let's also appreciate that there's modern amenities for those of us that like creature comforts in the new Supra. If you look closely enough, it has some really great resemblance to a Mk.IV. The Mk4 didn't have the best handling, probably about as typical with a bit more sport than the Toyotas of that era. As much as I want to bash them for taking BMW components to make the Supra, you have to also appreciate how they didn't just slap things on, but tested those components to meet standards that Toyota and tuned and refined it to how Toyota envisioned a modern day sports car.
3 name changes allowed every 90 days. Development costs will always determine whether or not something is truly feasible. US and EU governments are making it harder to have fun cars because of market trends and the whole going green. Did Toyota cheap out? Sure, they definitely did. There's also the fact that people forget Toyota worked in collaboration with Yamaha to help develop the JZ series. It wasn't solely a Toyota product. Let that sink in. And if we built a Toyota Supra to all the fanboy's liking, it would have an interior similar to a Camry, similar to all of Toyota's boring interior. Throw in an updated 2JZ and we would STILL have people complain "omg it's cast iron, so heavy, ugh lazy Toyota engineers blah blah."
What's the moral of the story? Make anything and people will STILL complain. People will always complain. And for that, to each his own opinion. There's always trade offs. And don't forget, Toyota knows that people are gonna swap a 2JZ into the Zupra. I guess what I want to ask you is, if Toyota made a new JZ updated to today's demanding emissions stsndards, but it DOESN'T live up to the previous generation JZ, would you even bother trying to buy that new Supra? Would you support them or bash them for making a shitty motor?
Lmao @ the replies to this comment "...dO YoU kNoW HoW MuCh iT CoStS?..." they are a car manufacturer, thats is their fucking job, they made a 1996 Toyota supra met CARb restrictions and went obd2. holy shit they rode the 2jz well past 2003 over 10 years. They have had 20+ years to design and manufacture this car. How can BMW make this engine but Toyota cannot, Toyota is the number 1 car manufacturer in the world. if they wanted to make a 2002 Toyota supra they could have, but they didn't, bean counters killed it and now the same bean counters see the GTR, and want back in on the nostalgia (and money) as cheaply as possible, oh and I don't want to hear about emissions, Toyota has made enough hybrids and econo shitboxes to offset it 1000 times over. This is lazy, greedy, trash. Shame on you Toyota.
Jack Popham I totally agree with you this. Toyota should have build their engine by themselves
@@yeoscore these tards don't seem to realize that motors have to comply with modern emissions regulations. why the hell would toyota waste money developing a modern engine to go into such a low volume vehicle? makes absolutely no sense. better to share the cost with someone who is already doing that: subaru and bmw. they also don't seem to realize that toyota stopped making sports cars for 20 years until the 86, while bmw never stopped, and subaru has had their sports sedan wrx for a couple decades now, too
the thing that makes me chuckle is that none of the people saying "its a bmw hurr" have not - nor will they - driven the mk5 supra. they will never own one either
1993 supra best ✌
The red mirrors on the white supra kills the entire look, the old one will always have my heart ❤️ mk4
*When I first looked at that new Supra*
Me: look how they massacred my boy 😔
Yup
GloomyGuns how is it a disappointment
It's definitely an ugly car. Even if the torque is higher than stated, how could you ever get over those looks? 🤮
@@DeStreGa105 you have bad taste, case closed.
@@FajaRathalos if I had bad taste in cars, I would be buying a new Supra
It's not JDM and that's the problem.
Its GDM lol
That mk4 at the beginning wasn’t JDM either
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@@datlac95 Maybe it will be JDM later ?
.I can understand using someone else's trans because theirs suck but the engine? They already had a platform, just update it a little, they had one of their Japanese drivers say it was too stiff, it's got 2 seats and it's named Supra, and I know the mk4 was a flexy pile of mush with one saving grace in the 2JZ. You take that and build a car around it, you don't take a BMW Z4, tune 50hp out of it and slap Toyota on the side
So much hate on this video. This is a good video, and the new Supra is going to be a good car. I don't think Toyota is going to make a manual version because financially it isn't feasible. I personally have the shittiest commute of all time, so I'll gladly take that automatic.
I think I'm ditching my 370Z for this...
No one should complain about the cars being slow or looking bad. People always gotta say something bad to different things.
Just give it some time. Everything changes. I think it's better than not having a Supra, cars come slow then you gotta make it fast!
No.
It's a great car, it's just not a Supra.
- A40/A50 Supra: facelifted Celica with 6 cylinders, Lotus engineered
- A60 Supra: still uses Celica plattform, design and suspension made by Lotus
- A70 Supra: heavy grand tourer notably fatter than its predecesors, only became interesting with the JA70 turbo version
Guess they are not "true Supras" either. Fanboys can't look past the A80 and realize how Supras have changed over the years, still stuck on F&F, neons and 2000hp dyno queens. That's just sad.
Idiot
OxBlitzkriegxO Supra is a Supra
@@toyotabrony tru if its branded as supra it is a supra lol
@@asaltytropicalcoconut6467 I think it's because the car looks like it was designed by a kid
I like the car! I was doubtful at first but after seeing it driven on track and some aftermarket support development, I think it has a darn good chance to be big!
Like your review. I think you gave the car it's due. I am not going to take the time to read the slugfest below. If folks can not understand what is mentioned after 11:00 of the video they need to move on. Perhaps, a C8 would be in order. This is March and I just got a 2020 Supra. I have had several Corvettes over the years and I find the Supra more to my liking. The Corvette is and always has been a car for the "well healed" most of which only drive them on Sunday.
This was the best review I've seen, it touched on the main things, be it heritage, the possibility for manual gearbox, it weighed the pros and cons already considering that part of the Supra's culture is linked to the aftermarket stuff will come for this car. Not only that but all the regulation stuff would indeed make it harder for Toyota to pull this off by themselves, so what they did is to provide the chassis and reinforcements in the right areas so people that want it, have the right platform to do it. I'm looking forward for what kind of Supras people will make. I prefer a low-key almost stock-looking car that is actually a beast, but more fun than crazy... hahahahha...
So let me think. You are going to have Toyota techs working on a BMW engine -
@Sad but True The B58 ain't like the S55 engine, under the spaghetti wires the engine design is simpler except the timing chain in the back, however since its made of steel, it shouldn't break with ease, it takes some serious punch to break it.
opposed to Toyota techs working on a Yamaha engine?
For me, for it to be a real Supra, it needs to have an inline-6 engine and a manual transmission. These are the 2 most important aspects of a true Supra.
it has a great inline six engine, but it really sucks that it doesnt come with manual
A manual is said to be in early development, but will only be determined if there is enough funding to mass produce it.
Well, I was thinking that it’s in early phases of development as well. Funding, Toyota has funds; but of course business wise, it would be a gamble, as it will most likely be not that profitable; but enthusiasts will surely rejoice if Toyota decides to mass produce it.
@@aeronYTco Yeah, we just gotta have hope. And yeah toyota are being very smart about the way they went about the new supra, otherwise this wouldn't have happened.
It has a F BMW engine.. an insult... it’s supposed to be JAPANESE muscle.... ew.....
But it's faster than the new Z4
Your point?
Must agree
damn globalization, nowadays they don't question about sacrificing a legend to get some bucks
Trying to sell us jam but called it gravy...
It has lost it’s soul, I won’t even look at it if I ever see one.
sick video my boys, I have a 96 Supra i LOVE it. I would consider testing the 20 tho
T.Wallsx4 congrats on being that first comment to speak well of the car. Mfs are whining up a storm
@@crowbar_enjoyer No prob, I mean it deserves a chance. I wish it was up there with the new GTR, C8, NSX etc but it could still have some potential
@@Twallsx4 It's true it's not in the same ballpark as the GTR or NSX. As cool as it would be for it to be in that range, it just doesn't seem like it would be a great fit imho. I've ridden in Mk 4's and even had the pleasure of driving one a few times. They're not the second coming of christ of cars (Ik you're an actual owner yourself so I'm not trying to lecture you or anything, you know more than me lmao, just my two cents). They're hella fun to drive, and run well, but the thing that launched into its status was the tuner community. They weren't really made to compete the GTRs back in its day in the first place, people could just mod the hell out of it and turn it into an ICBM of a car. The new Supra shows similar promise, and the B58 engine (which was co-developed with Toyota to make it more solid and reliable, I recently discovered!) is no slouch. I recently got to ride in one thanks to a buddy who owns a dealership, and while I didn't get to drive it, I could feel that same Toyota energy in this car - and it certainly felt different than any BMW I've been in. Have a good one my man, thanks for the friendly convo
6:31 LOL. Great video as always, guys.
Conclusion: The A90 Supra isn't a successor to the A80, but its like a GT86 to an AE86
yes
Bro just got the supra only cause of this vid
Tbh the new Supra looks like the BMW Z4, this was before me finding out the BMW was involved in the design, so I said "that's why".
Nothing beats 90s and early 00s Japanese car design
Late 80's as well
Gtr is more Beautiful than Skyline.
@@AnimeFan-mx9ck ummm... ok
the guy with the grey shirt looks guilty AF, he's paid to lie. LOL
And why is he still wearing a nightclub wristband?
That was the price for borrowing the new Zed4
@@bajaboy27 not a z4 it's a supra, and I'll repeat till the day I die just to hear you fan boys cry
@@weirdo17-_-35 it's a Zed4 whether you like it or not. Learn it, Live it, Love it.
I Don't like the MK5 because the front bumper is not what I expected.
Well aftermarket parts are a thing
I can already see some college kid tricking his parents that knows nothing about cars into buying him this since it's a Toyota
30 years? There is not a single MKIV Supra out there that is 30 years old! The 30 years is the MK3 Supra age rage. wait 4 more years...
onhawaii he said "nearly 30 decades".
93' is still way of 30 years T Conger
onhawaii I'm not here to argue about what your definition of "nearly" is. I just wanted to make sure you knew what you were saying. If you want to try and fact-check a statement like that, be my guest. 26 could be seen as "nearly 30". Or it could not. Not really my problem.
Nearly is not close enough for me... Let me be picky. I would not said anything if it where 1 or 2 years off. I have to draw a line. And that is passed for me. My car is a 1990 model and still has a year to get 30 that is nearly 30 years old. The Supra MKIV is just over 25 years out there.
Quick answer
No because its basically just a BMW z4
Toyota knew that inline 6 made the Supra iconic and who else has the expertise to design such an engine. Yet, they forget that it's the overengineered 2JZ that made the MkIV a legend.
The new Supra looks like something my 9 year old daughter would draw in school.
9 year old is pretty dam smart then
More like a cybertruck nigga
Fat and Furious it doesn’t look that bad bruh
I'm actually at the 4th review of the Supra. I can't get enough of it. Only flaw is no manual transmission. And designwise only thing looks weird in my eye is rear-end, taillights sit a bit low. I'd like it to be little more similar to A80's rear-end a bit up high.(Edit was a typo.)
I like the rear end, my main problem with the looks is the hood. Doesn't matter what angle I look at it from, it looks slightly off to me
@@seantaylor2683 I don't know, hood looked fine to me but it looks a bit high. My opinion is the line of the car looks really good from front view but when you slowly turn the car to rear view, line of the car and hood looks a bit off because taillights are sitting low.
Integrated spoiler spoiled the rear end design imo
Perfect cars are crap I want something that feels alive like its m
e driving the car and not the car driving the car
Exactly
lol. Just forget to replace your tyres buddy you'll get that challenge
@@comdrive3865 sounds like a ricer
@@mayuravirus6134 the fuck?
The main problem is styling.
Old supra has an iconic design, simple and beautiful, with some minor changes you could make it look very different, very modern, sleek or very sharp or busy if you wish. It's been a star of the golden age of racing games.
New is already over stylised, and those cars usually don't age well and it already looks too busy. Anything you change, it will look too busy and over stylised.
b58 is objectivity a very good powerplant and as papadakis racing suggests is capable of in access of 1000hp so I believe it is a true successor and all the 2JZ fanboys are gonna hate it anyway due to the BMW DNA (even though it was a COLLABORATIVE effort )
Made in Austria in a BMW factory, Numerous Visible BMW parts, majority have BMW labeled directly on it! Interior literally straight from a BMW, with a toyota badge slapped on. Even if somehow miraculously this is turns out to be reliable, it's extreme influence from BMW doesn't pay homage to the Toyota Supra heritage IMO. The toyota supra is a jdm legend, founded/designed/built/manufactured in japan. I don't know if I will be able to get over the BMW influence. Only time will tell.
Not true the 2JZ was actually co developed with German engineers also responsible for the BMW M50 engine. Funny enough the 2 sound very similar and are bullet proof.
@@mannynazario2140 The gearbox is a getrag which is a German manufacturer who make gearboxes for Audi and other companies. The engine is made by Toyota. Yamaha helped design the head on the 1jz so they may have had some influence on the 2jz even though they weren't involved on the 2jz directly.
All of you naysayers need to realize the cold hard truth Yamaha developed the head for the 2JZ however the block design was developed from German engineering Toyota and look this up on your own travel to Germany to study the design of their inline 6 brought the design home and developed their own inline 6 and I'm not talking about the 5m or 7M the 2JZ was developed using German engineering. Toyota acquired during their visit to Germany
This car is going to be just as popular as the GT86 when it comes to modifications. I have no doubt in my mind.
Car seems too expensive to really hit the same level of explosion the 86 has, but if we are lucky and it depriciates like a bmw then yea the aftermarket will boom.
Ikr
@AYE OK SURE Unfortunately the rx9 will never exist and instead mazda is doing a hybrid prius type car using a rotary as a range extender lmao. I miss the rx7 :(
AYE OK SURE Lol you’re a moron, you’re forgetting the people making ridiculous power on port injected N54/N55s, the B58 is even newer and even better and is gonna be a beast, you don’t know what you’re talking about
Old toyota supra is better than other cars cause its made in japan
What about the new supra?
@@adrielle1i23 No
@@adrielle1i23 You do know BMW doesn't vibe with reliability
Let it go fan boys this supra is great. They collabed w/ BMW so that it's Affordable. At least they didn't do what Honda did with the nsx.
lmao yea 75k with dealer markup supra affordable!😩
What people fail to realize is that the MK5 SUPRA has more in common with the MK4, than the MK4 had with the MK3 styling-wise...
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There’s just something about the front end on the MKV that I just don’t like. I feel like If I had it, I would always be looking for a different front bumper.
Same here son, though by the time I'll be able to afford one I'm sure there will be aftermarket shit 😎👌
Man you just took the words out of my mouth the front bumper and lights are hideous
Just the front end? The ASS end looks worse and what is it with vents that go nowhere?
There's a mockup with a 2019 86 front end and it looks way better
That's because BMW designed it 👎
Just embrace it, at least they are still making a Supra. It might not be fully Toyota, but it is still a supra.
When the 3rd pedal comments are 2/3 years old and proven wrong by this car.... I really appreciate this videos exist.