Blizzard is Making a HUGE Mistake (A Small Rant)
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- Blizzard is making a huge mistake with the recent release of World of Warcraft Cataclysm. It isn't the release of the expansion itself though, but the fact that Blizzard is neglecting the desires of a large portion of its player base. What do I mean by this? Watch and find out! If you're a fan of Classic WoW though - this video is for you.
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I totally support this, I never got to play WOW growing up, and being able to now in my 30s is cool with WOW Classic, Wrath of The Lich King is my favorite expansion EVER, the introduction of the Death Knight was my favorite, I love DK. I would like to be able to continue to play in Wrath if I want to, and not be forced to to play Cataclysm. Having more options and TBC or Wrath severs would be awesome!
Bro it's been 15 years.... Get off the gaming chair and do something with your life....
Do you wanna keep playing classic classic classic Wotlk when it gets released in 2077 too?
@@Geraldo_Rivian Hell yeah. That sounds awesome.
@@NixxiomOnRUclips what?
The fixing your life? Of being the couch potato for decades more?
@@Geraldo_Rivian Why don't you get off the internet and stop being a crappy troll, do something with YOUR life, you sure you aren't deflecting? Because it sure sounds like it. You don't even know him dude, GTFO. Touch some grass while you're at it too.
Mistakes is what Blizzard does best
Sad but true lol
It is. I was better off playing on a private wrath server in 2019. Sick of waiting around for blizzard to actually, not be stupid. And add some fuckin permanent wrath classic realms already.
ikrrrr..... i think we know better than blizz totally........ at least we dont make mistakessssss....... u reckon???? we classic andies are perfect creation from GOD...... we dont make mistakes like blizzard. amirite though?????
It's sadly extremely common for them. Here we thought hey it's just Bobby dragging Blizzard through the mud and Microsoft will change things, but nope nothing changed or at least not for the better.
So insightful.
Absolutely based video. Tbc and wotlk era servers without shop/boosts/token would be a blessing for many of us who don't want sod or cata.
agreed, i think TBC is my fav xpac i just love outland so much and i would absolutely play a fresh TBC server. Definitely would like to see them release something like this in the future. Maybe they want SOD to expand into TBC though so idk if they would consider having both.
So Blizzard should make a server for every expansion because everyone has a preference. Why should the Classic team dump resources into just one, or at all?
@@alfredgreybeardseems like you want an argument so here we go.
Yes they should.
I mean why not just 1 single server of each? No need to dump more resources into it, just pick a patch version and leave it there.
@@bmw9616 they have done it with vanilla and people aren’t happy. There will be complaints about things being broken, how new content is needed, and a just a clusterfuck to deal with. It will also split players around so much and cause a terrible experience.
A real motivator for blizzard would be that they're losing TBC and Wrath players to private servers, which is the whole reason they put out classic in the first place.
I played retail cata in 2010 for a pretty long time. Till the release of dragonsoul raid so that was the last content patch for cata. I did not go back until WoD. I did not want to do panda land. So WoD it was. Played it for a few months and then got burned out like many people in wow do due to the sheer time and effort requirments they place on you. Want to raid? Cool. Go through the game. get gear. Do normals get gear. Cool. Do heroics. Get gear. Cool. Now farm herbs for flasks or pay rediculous sums of gold ont he AH. You also need enchants. Dont have an enchanter? Sorry you. Go pay AH prices.. And gold inflation only got worse each new expansion with peopel makign millions with bots. I got burned out on retail.
So i played a private cata server called apollo for a while. Then moved over the a legion servr since i did not play retail legion. Liked legion so joined BfA retail when it came. Played BfA till 8.3 relase. That was the last patch for BfA. By then the bots were bad. The bots now were flocks of 10 druids at a time tapping the node and deactivating it in a nano second. I fly around for an hour at 3am on a monday night trying to get some flowers for flasks for the raid on weds. Could not get any herbs for an hour and a half.
So i asked mysel...what the fack are you doign in thsi game?
I quit righ then and there. I told the forums whay i quit....due to too many bots taking resources. I got the usualy..bye....see ya...dont let the door hit you ont he way out......and....why are you tellign us... The forum itself, the EU forums has nothing but no lifers there. The usual human garbage that likes to control the flow and feel of the topics. They vote your ass down in the forums and get you gagged. The forum is a nasty place. Punyelf is a piece of shit, human garbage. This guy does nothing but post all day ont eh forums. He has over 57.000 posts. That is all he does. Talk down to people.....
Anywat....WoW now....not a good place unless you have tons of bots and are selling gold orruns...then you are makign actual real life cash as people are paying for thsoe runs with real life cash. Sick place that....retail wow...really sick place.
Dont play plain and simple you made wow your life. Shouldnt be that way@suminshizzles6951
Sounds tough for you bro@@suminshizzles6951
@@suminshizzles6951 is it me or? Because in Europe I haven't experienced bots your talking about? Even if I'm rarely playing on retail, and in classic I farm casually and have no such problems, maybe it's worse in the US with bots, I don't know, but I've not seen that here?! But I'm acasual player, so maybe that's fine for me...?
@@suminshizzles6951 Pretty easy to make gold in dragonflight by just doing world quests, that's 15-20k gold every week alone. You don't need a ton of gold to do endgame activities; flasks are 30-50g per, food is 20g, the most expensive enchant is 6-8k. Having your crafted gear made is 5-10k, and you only get 1 piece of crafted gear every two weeks. World quests alone on one character supply you for basically all of your endgame content. And it becomes even easier if you do your world quests on alts and start getting 40k, 60k, 80k a week. It sounds like you haven't played wow in a very long time and have some personal vendetta against some random guy.
The reality is that retail wow isn't a place to easily make MASSIVE amounts of gold in the first place unless you're educated on how to make it; you don't just randomly get millions of gold. But unless you're simply interested in buying BMAH mounts or something, why would you care about having so much gold in the first place? You don't need it. That's not really the endgame loop most players care about. What retail players mostly care about is progressing through difficult content, which retail delivers on. M+ and high end raiding are satisfying and challenging, and take very little gold to actually sustain.
Playing old expantions for limited time is not conserving an expantion, Blizzard never learn.
@@turdeemi you didn't understand my point silly goose.
It seems like the goal is MoP but surely not WoD? Personally, I didn't think they would go to Cata but here we are.
They should have done Cata Remix instead. Or have it be it's own sever, but call it "Cata Modern." It feels like Blizzard is listening to some bad advice regarding Cata Classic, but they have made some great accidents too like Plunderstorm
according to the trailer they plan to go all the way to BFA
@@dannyjingu I agree that remixes post Wrath make more sense. The game mechanics were at a level where modern class design basically fits fine, and after Wrath having flex sized raids just makes more sense than all the old raid size versions. Like Legion Remix would be great where all they do is turn back on the legendaries and artifacts.
As long they have a solid player base they will defo release wod, a lot of people wants legion as well, im still surprised they haven’t renamed it “wow restart” yet
@@ZhuDotaI’ll play WoD Classic
Oh boy, can't wait for Shadowlands Classic to be released xĐ
Playing Season 1 of SL with all the QoL we got in Season 4 would be awesome!
War Within Classic.
if they fixed all the issues it would be fine
They should make a real Shadowlands expansion with the boss being the Primus, since clearly mister got strings on me is like the henchmen.
I am waiting for without a shadow of sarcasm for Legion Classic. I know Legion is a long way from vanilla WoW but nonetheless I want it and I want it bad.
I have been preaching for about a year now that they should just make at least 1:
- Repeating Vanilla server, goes through the span of Vanilla WoW from launch until the pre-patch for TBC
- Repeating TBC server, goes through the span of TBC until the pre-patch for WOTLK
- Repeating WOTLK server, goes through the span of WOTLK (until the Cata pre-patch?)
These servers would go on for 1 year, and then simply reset. Or perhaps an option to transfer your progress during the final pre-patch to an existing server that runs repeating TBC/WOTLK and so on.
This would continually trap whoever wants to play either of these versions (and would ofc be open for people to just enter them and play whenever they so please).
I realise there isn't that much hype surrounding them as there was the "1st" (second) time around with Classic releases, but hearing "wow this server is gonna START FRESH" will always bring in players - and especially those who prefer the expansion or version that is starting fresh.
I think there is one on Warmane that has 1 year cycle, i dont know about patches, but it starts fresh every year.
It's just the better choice overall to have classic servers for every expansion. I do think it's good that they are going to do all expansions, BUT then keep a TBC and WOTLK server active. If not only for the sake of it that people have to go to private servers. Keep up a few realms if only some people play. Just remember Blizzard, choice is always the best option.
I don't think so, they're splitting the player base so much that they're losing the community aspect of classic wow. The community part is the reason classic is better than retail to most.
@@legischafing7 Then they've already gone too far with how it is now. We already have 4 different versions: retail, classic, classic cata, classic SoD, and that's not counting timed retail versions like Plunderstorm and MoP Remix. And still, not having the option to play TBC/WOTLK just so that there's a forced community aspect isn't the right choice either.
@Enzevil do you eventually want servers for every expansion i.e. from Classic all the way up to retail?
@@ProfoundFamiliarity Not me personally. I enjoyed most of them when they came out, but also feel you can't step in the same river twice, so I just like to play retail to always have something new (even though it isn't perfect either).
But again, as Nixxiom pointed out, he and many players want TBC/WOTLK servers, so I think it's good to give players a choice. If that's too much, atleast have those 2 up since they fall under the true Classic versions of WoW because it's pre world revamp.
@@Enzevil I agree, I don't really think of Cata as Classic
I had fun in Cataclysm but I hated that they destroyed the old world.
it has to evolve,would you have been ok with just a graphics overhail?like how they are doing these days in retail with wsg or arathi,updating old zoned but keeping them basicaly the same,also i kinda wish they fixed stuff like westafall being on fire still lol,makes no sense
PvP better, but PvE ruined
@@Giggles4692 lol pve in cata is infintly better than anything before it,i get that baddies cant handle more than one mecanic,but...thats why classic is still there,or heck even retail,normal is pretty easy
Old world was boring anyway
@@goodknight6828 Disgree. Revamp was not nearly as good in my op as the old overworld.
I wished for a forever server for TBC and WOTlK, alas it all went to Cata in the end.
Personally, I have zero interest in Cata.
Same. Cata was the expansion where my sub started to waver, where I'd play for a month, then take a break for 4-5 months just because I wasn't interested. I made a worgen mage, got to level 6, then went straight to MoP remix because it's more interesting. I was quietly hoping that they would've kept the TBC and WotLK servers separate and alive despite progressing through expansions so we aren't FORCED into expansion that we don't want to play.
I first played during Cata, but my interest is mainly with the expansions before and after it.
same
Alot of us don't But fuck us. And fuck trying to reason with other people who think more options shouldn't exist. Like fuck those people.
We want permanent wrath classic servers. But who gives a fuck about us. Definitely not blizzard.
@@qunt100 Yeah, pretty much. I’m interested in stuff after Cata, and I think not doing era servers for at least Wrath is a stupid idea. How hard would it be to just have a couple of extra servers for the era that started Classic WoW?
Oh and by the way. Just an fyi... And I know this for a FACT. Blizzard has a "If it's not broken, don't fix it" poster at HQ that they use for a dart board.
yeah i'm always delivering dart boards weekly
Let me guess you watch Thor (Streamer)
@@Brokengamezone It's kindof hard not to. His shorts are pushed into the reccomended of every single gaming or wow related video.
ummm can i know what does this mean and have to do with the video??? and whats wrong with it?? shouldnt u only fix something that is broken or spoilt?? and broken can mean a wide spectrum of things. class unbalanced can mean broken too. so whats the problem with that motto???
@@xpadeunholydk it was a joke dude, the joke you missed is the fact they throw darts at a sign that says "don't fix what's not broken" kids these days, need to show some restraint
if the bigger private servers like warmane are smart they would introduce a fresh server RIGHT NOW a lot of people still wanna play WOTLK / TBC
draw in more people to spend money on their cash shop, those tier sets wont buy themselves.
Be honest, I am playing warmane right now lol. Fuck blizzard.
@@qunt100 i noticed when wotlk was done, the pop of warmane went back up. and it's pretty cool.
I am starting to understand why. I mean i played retail for every new expansion for about 5 months till the eventual burnout that happens as blizzard just makes the game actual work. Actual work like a job with the chores and time you have to spend. I get sick of it and quit only to be drawn back in for the new expansion only to get sick of it again and leave. But the old game does not have tokens. does not have pets and all the oteh shit they now want money for. Modern wow and all its iterations are now just a cash grab. A shameless cash grab.
New Whitemane server ~3 days ago
Theres a reason why Vannilla and Woltk are the most played in private servers
TBC is played more than WOTLK as far as I know. There have always been a lot more TBC servers out there than WOTLK, historically speaking.
@@samuelhakansson6680wrong .
TBC servers have always only had less than 1k players only on them at any given moment .
TBC is a dead xpac, after every phase, 2 months later it’s a dead game .
@@bryanguerrero3757 source please.
@@samuelhakansson6680 Source here: since 2013 when i joined my first private server, the comunity constatly asked for a decent pop tbc server that never came. Corecraft didnt even launch. All we had is excalibur that barely had 1k pop during peaks. Played there between 2015 and 2018. Tbc is my favorite expansion but it always dies after tier 5.
I would spend my life playing in a tbc era server, what a expansion, great at all cause!
Attunements > Daily quests without sense
100% agree! They already F-ed up with no TBC server. I never wanted to play WOTLK. I was forced to play WOTLK and it made me stop playing WOW permanently.
Reminder that private servers have no layering, token, gdkp, and generally have less parse centric culture. I'm off to return to the private server life
Is there a good private server that cycles through the expansions, starting with Classic and then progressing to TBC and beyond?
no but I recommend Project Epoch. Have a look at it:) looks interesting
private servers dont use layering because they make a profit by selling vip,it bypasses the que,the top servers all do this,and they fill the game with bots themselves,gdkp does exist as its a good way to make gold,no reason not to do it just cuz its a private server lol,unless the gold is increased ofc and you never need gold
yeah, and they sell wrathful gear or even mounts via visa because *they need to pay the host and the staff*
nothing is free...
Like what private server? Any good TBC ones going?
When Classic was first announced way back when, i genuinely was excited to see how Blizzard would tackle Cataclysm. I was even eager to see beyond it, to see if maybe this time around we could fix the problems that led to the Need for Classic to begin with.
Whether or not people want to acknowledge it, Classic wasnt just about experiencing old content. It was about breaking away from the Modern MMO and playing a different game. To get away from micro-transactions, from mechanics that while convenient ultimately sucked the soul out of the game. "The Spirit of Classic" was a phrase used alot early on and i think even the more die-hard vanilla fans were still ok with the idea of QOL changes to make the game more comfortable. At this point though it is clear that isn't the mantra anymore.
To me Classic died when they implemented paid boosts, it died when blizzard left the community to rot without moderating the botting/goldbuying. I gave TBC/wotlk classic a chance but i just couldn't get over the culture changes that come from things like boosting and the gold token. It became Retail-lyte and at that point i asked why not just play retail. Vanilla is far from the best iteration of the game but people keep getting that itch for it because they want a return to playing an MMORPG built to waste your time but for the sake of fun.
Cataclysm and beyond weren't mistakes, its these soul-less changes that prioritize convenience over gameplay that ruin the fun. Some people like it that way, which makes Retail for them, but Classic was for us. It was for people that understood and enjoyed a game that made your time investment matter.
ikrrrr... classic wow is superior over retail wow.... classic wow is the new main wow game and it's totally not because some idiots wanna play the game and its because classic is correcting the mistake of retail.... yes retail wow is a mistake...... ikrrrrr.... if only blizz knows..... and make classic + and invest their time in recycled content...... XD..... retail wow totallly sucked the soul outta the game...... having adventure guide so that people do not need to use atlaslootclassic, a third party addon, is sucking the soul outta the game...... XD..... hmmmm what else....????? having tmogs is bad and making mounts account wide is bad...... awww cryyyyy..... making yourself needing to farm the same mounts again on other alts so that they can use those mounts that u have on ur main is such a good design.... it totally elevates the spirit of playing wow. it's preserving the soul of the game..... XD...... i agree with u man...... all hail classic... classic wow is flawless...... there's nothing wrong with the game at all...... it's made with perfection..... we have to keep glorifying it..... (ignores the countless flaws that suck in classic)..... hmmmmm thats the way...... farming the same mounts on different toons is so fum am i right.... it totally isnt unnecessary and time wasting..... oh yesss.... and i love seal twisting and auto attack simulator with one button rotation.... that is peak mmo design and peak mmo feeling..... mmos are most fun when classes do not need braincells to be played at all and just let the game play it for u by auto attacking...... XD.... if a class in an mmo needs more than one button in the rotation.... IT'S BAD!!!!!! IT SUCKS!!!!!! XD. oh and i cant ignore the paid services..... even though i dont use them....... i cant let people who want to use them have a chance to use them....... if i see it in the game even though i dont use them, ill get AIDS...... my heart will stop pumping as the classic spirit is no longer getting pumped into my bloodstream..... awww cryyyyy....... XD
I played cata classic the last two days. It is a ugly mess. Easy as piss but people in RDF who dont know the meachincs are causign wipes and huge arguments blaming the healers ect. I just unisntalled the game. I am not going back and i played cata in 2010 on retail. I know the game. The game right now has a lot of retail boys who are used to the faster pace but cant deal with the slower cata pace. Us healers are not allowed to drink. Half mana before a pack pull in cata and classic cata is a risk. Not to them. Fack the game. I am done. Uninstalled it. The game now also has a bot problem as there are now flocks and flocks of druids stealing resources. I had trouble getting herbs. So ...no more...no thanks
I play on Turtle WoW and the server isn't perfect at all (woke Reddit mods as moderators on it) but if you just keep to your guild chat and avoid world chat you can manage just fine.
Great comment. You nailed it.
The token and what relasing that says to people is also a matter. Are they stunting gold making opportunities in the game and giving out less godl to players during their playing so they can sell tokens?
AH prices were always on teh crazy side and only those with deep pockets or those who constantly checked for the price of an item might get a deal. Otehrwise the item you want or need for a quest is %1000 the price it nees to be. Enchanting rods come to mind. Want to enchant? Cool. Fork over all of your earned cash that you made the last year or make your own blacksmith. I am sure that blacksmithing has it own problems with requiring items from another profession.
Which all leads to either more grinds to get the items cheaper by makign them yourself.....buying tokens so you can buy them.
Everything in thsi game leads down the path of boosts to lesson time needed todo things. Want that season level 15 mount from mythic plus but cant do the 15 as it is too hard. Buy a bossting run. Yours today for only 609.999k.
Retail is a cesspit. It really is and i am not sure i am going to play the war within as all the problems we have now are only goign to get worse.
More people buying "boosts since they suck so bad they cant do things and require being hand held through the game so they can show off their cool mount they did not earn. If i cant do it. I dont do it. I spend real life cash on getting it.
Trade spam in trade channel. I leave that channel in every major city as soon as i enter. That cesspool of degenerate bots spamming non stop year in year out is digusting.
And this i what the game has become. A cash cow for all those still left. I dont even think their are enough whales now to even keep them goign as the "player friendly" changes that we screamed about for the last 20 years are finally cming.....only 20 years too late. Why is that? Subs dropping through the floor since the game requires youi to play it like it is your actual job?
So how do you think they should handle the XP differences between the vanilla zones during Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK then? if its as simple as an option to transfer to TBC at 58 etc, how do they handle lvl 1-58, if you only wanna play wotlk is it tough shit? can only lvl at vanilla lvling speeds? Because remember, the XP amounts were nerfed by 33% in TBC and then further nerfed in WOTLK in the vanilla zones.
If you dont want vanilla speed, you can start from TBC or Wrath, you cannot start a Blood Elf on vanilla.
Like some others have said I think the issue with it is that this will offer further fragmentation of the playerbase. Splitting them between Classic, Retail, TBC, Wotlk and now Cata. The less popular versions would just be a nightmare to find groups for content or active guilds to join. Not sure it's a great idea, though I love the thought of being able to play wotlk again.
There's a pretty average player base for each exp, the main problem is that tbc being many's favourite was pooped by blizzard, a hasty chance to wotlk.
Less Realms (in my opnion fuck specific language realms) and you will see a stable player base on each expansion
@@RyanTurner13311 realm per Xpac is all that’s needed.
Era has a ton of people. Only reason era does not look like it’s super populated is because they made too many servers. Each expansion should have one server per continent.
If you combine all the Era servers for USA, then people can actually see how it’s thriving
@@Giggles4692 I mean, define a ton... going by characters that are actively raiding (the only way to gather data and compare), era has 17K active characters, as opposed to WotLK/Cata with 80K, and SoD with 130K.
Sure if SoD didn't exist, maybe, but even then. I'm no classic veteran so shoot me, but every time I see people talk about Classic in one way or another the major complaint is raidlogging and whatnot. I feel the whole argument for having all versions of the game always be available rests on a fantasy that everyone will continuously keep up their enthusiasm for that era of the game. I just don't see how people will actively keep playing the same version of a game for a sustained period of time.
I'd say its much more healthy to just progress, and going through old expansions seems like a good way to go about it. Where do you stop? Who knows, the players will decide if they play it or not. And at the same time, who says they won't do a BC seasonal, or Wrath seasonal, after SoD ends. Just because WotLK classic is gone doesn't mean Wrath is only gonna be playable ever again on private servers.
@@San4311I still play era and play on hardcore too.. i never show up in any statistics because i dont raid.. i don't think most people playing vanilla are raiders a this point.
I loved tbc and was pretty disappointed they didn't give players the option to stay in tbc like the vanilla era servers.
Played since day one Classic and personally not interested in cata for reasons Nixxiom mentioned and cata was mainly the reason i quit in the first place in og cata.
I've moved on and playing some osrs, having a blast.
Woah, Cata servers got queue here in Europe! I haven't seen that in years.
Cooled down very quickly though compared to wotlk, we had tame 1-2 hour queues on the first weekend and after that no real queues anymore.
@@k9tirion927 True, true. Pandaria Remix gobbled up the entire playerbase.
Agreed, dont understand why they dont have a TBC and WotLK server. My long lost hope is they make expansions like classic as a new branch, not just retail
I totally agree. I came back to try Classic Hardcore. I had no idea that Blizzard is taking WoTLK away. I had intended, some time in the distance future to go back to WoTLK as I liked it. What you are suggesting, essentially character "moves" from expansion to expansion, would allow us to "re-experience" the Journey that was WoW. The farm/wipe cycles that were progression, and only to replace every piece of that gear (geared earned by raiding for thousands of hours) within 5 levels in the next expansion. You don't get that experience if you skip raid bosses that can and do wipe you repeatedly.
also let people transfer their level 60 from classic era to TBC realm, and their lvl 70 from TBC to WotLK realm
Blizzard lost me as a customer back at TBC launch by breaking their promise of no level boosting. I could see the WoW token coming from a mile away. Asking them to reverse that now is like asking them to stop making store mounts that literally prints money. WoW is not geared towards actual gameplay anymore and hasn't been so for a while. The main targets are the whales that spend more money on the game than 10 of the average subscribers. These are great ideas to improve the game and therefore it'll never happen, because it's no longer about giving a good game experience to players. It's about getting good money from payers.
There are people making millions in real life money with bot farms that would put a digital currecy farm to shame. I think they make retail so hard as to force people to buy tokens so people can buy their level 15 runs in mythic. I will never buy a token and i will never buy a run. but it is also clear to me now that i am pretty much done with wow retail as well. I hate the token sales and what it has done to wow. People have this mentality that they can just buy shit now. Screw earning it.
Since at least 10 years back all their decisions were a mistake from a consumers perspective
Played all of the Classic versions since 2019 but I won't be playing Cata. Sadly it's another common Blizzard L.
Based on player numbers, it doesn’t appear that way
to hard ?
@@XiLock_Alotx Sadly blizzard just preys on like minded fools. They will all be satisfied for awhile to. Then blizzard will piss them off. I just don't know when.
And if you think against the crowd. Well, fuck you. That is what I get out of this day in age. IF you have the minority opinion. Fuck you.
You want permanent wrath classic servers. Fuck you and your opinion. Like damnit. Fuck anyone who thinks more options shouldn't exist.
@XiLock_Alotx it's because it just released. The player count drop is coming.
based and same
Why is is so hard to have a Vanilla and a WoTLK server? The games are already DONE!
That's literally all Classic was ever supposed to be.
all Classic has done is woken a deluded dragon and their incessant need to have the real warcraft which never existed. You will have idiots debating until the end of time when real wow died. they never realize that their real wow was never a thing.
Because this company sucks. I gave up on blizzard. I unsubbed a month ago. Like they can't provide me with options. Fine. Fuck em.
@@qunt100 Company sucks, but I still enjoy the gameplay. Tough times.
@@user-kl9bi4jt4t I do to. But blizzard won't respect my interests lol.
Like fuck all you people who want permanent wrath or permanent bc servers. Fuck you.
@@qunt100git good at retail 🤡
It would be so cool to have this. One classic era server per expansion would be perfect. Then just combine hardcore into regular servers and make it more like Runescape. You don't get your acct deleted it just turns to a regular one and you lose your status if you die. Most classic era and hardcore are low pop so I feel like this really is badly needed.
Considering we are now having pandaria remix in retail, then I think they should have Cataclysm remix in the future while keeping the classics in WotLK expansion while also fix some scaling that made all three vanilla, TBC, and Wrath playable on high levels.
Have you ever played on a dead server? Boot up one of the Classic Era realms and take a look. It's basically a single-player experience. That's how the wrath and TBC servers will be if there's not a limited-time event driving people to all coalesce there at the same time, like Cata Classic is doing right now.
Thats because there is is no fresh classic and a few unwanted changes were made, so people have flocked to private servers again. We want the original three permanently, if blizzard wont do it, its fine we can go to the private servers again.
@@xMorbidArtx"no fresh classic"
@@jordancallahan5893 Yea, a "fresh" classic, dont see what the confusion is.
As someone who is hoping for Legion Classic so I can play that expansion, I’m still bitter about being forced into Cataclysm with no option to continue through Wrath before I was ready to move on. Especially since the “pre-patch” wasn’t actually the pre-patch.
If you’re ok with hordes of Russian and a bit of Chinese, I really recommend you try uwow legion server. It has progressive realm with a small English community, and it has literally more working content than retail sometimes lol (except some old raids)
You can still play the Legion Expansion. That's part of why Cata classic is so stupid for removing Wrath. Just go to Chromie in Org or Stormwind and timewalk to Legion and do all the questing there. The classes ans game in retail haven't changed as much since legion as they have since Wrath or even Cata.
@@TheGamingBDGR “You can still play the Legion expansion” Counterpoint: Artifact Traits got removed at the end. BfA and Shadowlands can be experienced in Retail without much of them being lost, Legion can’t be. Why are the worse expansions (even if I consider BfA to be better than it’s usually given credit for) allowed to keep their borrowed power mechanics during Timewalking, but Artifacts get screwed over? And there’s also the fact that Shadowlands disabled Legiondary item’s effects, further limiting how much of the expansion you can experience.
agreed, and i d hope for dual-specc and h+ as of tbc. i d also love to see a "raid+" mechanic where previous tier raids are kept a bit more relevant:)
I think there is a lot of reasons both in terms of making money for Blizzard, building a bit of hype and looking forward to participate among player base to not making tbc and wotlk realms. Instead making cycles. After reaching last patch of last xpac ( of what we will call classic and we all might argue if thats wotlk or Cata or whatever ) leave one realm running and put all chars flagged "forever cata " in there and wipe all other realms to start cycle over again, a journey from classic trough other expansions.
All it took was 2 slow weeks in SoD, cata release and mop remix for SoD to feel super dead... which is too bad. Genuinely don't think there are enough people/interest to allow fragmentation like this to thrive unfortunately.
What it took was quite a few wrong decisions on the part of Blizzard. Both in terms of phase design and lack of priority for sod. People did not leave sod for cata or mop. They just have nothing to do there cause all the interesting content is locked. My sub ends in a few days and I see no reason to renew until phase 4 cause I only resubbed for sod anyway.
@@bspus I mean you're not wrong... But also the cata and mop and stuff certainly didn't help we are all on those instead 😆 hopeful for a strong comeback p4 but who knows
SoDs been dead...and gonna get Even worse when phase 4 comes out in over 3 months
@@skyclaw36 I mean there's like twice as many players in SoD as Cata/WotLK so gonna assume you're trolling 😂 or misinformed
I stopped playing sod after less than a week in phase 3. Well before Cata and MoP. Phase 3 sucking is what killed sod. Phase 2 was pretty mid as well. I don't think sod will be able to recapture the Phase 1 magic
Only issue with this is that a TBC guild trying to recruit for their BT progression would be a nightmare "sorry guys, I hate wiping on this boss. I'm off to wrath! ". But overall, I agree because I had the same idea 5-10 years ago.
how is this any different from people just quiting tbc to play something else lol,this argument makes no sense
I am REALLY hoping we get some time lock/progression servers similar to what EQ does. Maybe prune the "classic" servers down to just a few. then just do single realms for progression servers. Im perfectly fine with doing layers on the servers to help with population control. But Blizz REALLY needs to do something if they want to keep the classic playerbase from server hopping between private servers.
PS. maybe have a server for each version. so that way people can keep their toons after that server moves on and resets? maybe kind of how classic-TBC happened?
Anyways, thats just a couple cents that I had about it. maybe ill make a video or something about the ideas.
good video as always!
The problem with progression servers is that they generally progress too quickly for most players to keep up. I get that some people hit the level cap in a week or two because they have a lot of free time and know everything but the rest of us that only have 2-3 hours a day to put in just can't compete.
were do you get the option to play vanilla era thats not SOD? i dont see it?
when you go to change realms, there should be tabs at the bottom that say classic era, season of discovery and hardcore for the different classic options. :)
Its there dude, along with hardcore, russian etc realms
We seriously do not need Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, SoD, Retail, MoP Remix servers all going at once. You can only fracture the player base so much.
At this very moment you are being proven wrong. This notion that theres a set number of players who switch between versions is silly at best. Theres people out there now not playing who would be if Blizz gave them what they wanted.
agreed
Agreed
I’m not currently playing but I would live and die on a tbc server. It’s the only game for me. Waiting patiently.
the main downside I see regarding tbc/wrath servers would be player base fracture, which is why I think not giving us these servers, at least at this time, is fine.
I believe a progression server would suit this better. they could keep it up like 4 months for each xpac up til wrath and then reset.
I’ve been a huge cata mop fanboy since a kid. Replaying wrath tho as an adult makes me realize why people love it so much more, it truly feels like the epitome of an MMORPG. And them taking away all wrath servers feels like a slap in the face to everyone who’s loved those “classic” experiences. Personally I don’t mind the boost but I think IF they are going to do boosts they should make it one per server and ONLY in wrath if they make a tbc and wrath server. You shouldn’t be able to boost to 70 and buy your way into BT or any tbc raids that ruins the whole experience. And now that I’m typing this I think that there shouldn’t be any boosts what so ever lol and definitely no WoW tokens. I can understand the race change server change all that but anything that affects the actual leveling and gameplay should remain unchanged.
Further fragment the game. Fuck that.
WoTLK had like 60,000 raiders at the end... and you expect WoTLK Era? LMAO man the copium is unreal.
Do u think they will fix it?? I really want something I can “fresh” and learn with active new community
I thought they would have kept the LK servers and allow character moves if people wanted to.. but they just replaced it completely. I didn't do as much farming or playing in it because I thought it'd be around for a lot longer. It doesn't feel good to miss out on the tiger mount 3 times in my life: first when my ex took it, then when I ran out of time to farm it the first cata launch, and now with this launch. Feels bad man
I was telling my friends on classic 2019 launch day that that is where I hoped they were going with it, expansions you can upgrade to when you are ready to continue the journey. Such missed opportunities.
not the option to transfer. the option to copy (and they probably would need a good solution for pve/pvp if they only do 1 realm)
how about pvp on by default, you have to manually disable it every time, and it takes 10mins to switch off
Would love this also. I played during vanilla, TBC, stopped during Wrath. I missed out on Classic in 2019. Came back for SOD, but would like to just slowly level from 1-80 for nostalgia
Just play on a private server.
Keep 1 or 2 servers as Era, and relaunch Classic every X years. Cant be more dead or have more problems than Era anyway. And if ppl worried about losing their char, just let migrate to Era at the end of expansion. Better than only having Era in every aspect.
Also every wow player knows the first month of a phase/patch is the actual fun part.
Desperately want Cata Era I’ve waited years to play cataclysm again and now I’m going my to get to enjoy it for a single year feeling rushed and then lose everything. Don’t need wrath because of warmane but I really hope they change their minds about era realms.
Only issue I see with the classic to tbc free transfer is if people want to play a blood elf and go through tbc. I think the population for dungeons until you get to outlands will be pretty small since I would think most would play on a classic server when leveling up a new character. which may be annoying if you want to run your BE through like zul'farrak or something.
Could be wrong. Idk what the low lvl population would be, but it may be a possible issue.
We saw how "era servers" went before the hc hype... these servers were dead.... so adding 2 additional era servers for tbc and wotlk would hurt the wow community more than ever
What if they made the xpacs past WOtLK without the overhaul. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but imagine playing these with talent point systems of classic.
Another thing I would like to try is making a horizontal type of end game, like in ESO. Where the armor sets along with your talent points help you play the way you want.
Just a thought
When is sod gonna get the wow token?
I got my first taste of wow in cata, but I was totally lost in the game. Flashing through levels and just barely getting touch to the world.
Getting glimpses into "epic" locations by matchmaking or dungeon finder.
I didnt understand when they changed the TBC realms to Wotl. I thought they should have a realm for each expansion back during that change. with cata it makes even more sense now since thats when they completely changed and removed a bunch of content
Nixxiom: Blizzard we don't micro transactions please.
Shareholders: What you don't want us to make money?
if something i learned from my time playing on blizz wotlk is that people dont wanna play , you dont imagine how many boosted people i came accross and i forgot how shitty was the whole spell and weapon systems , and hell all melees felt auto attack simulator , and dont get me wrong i started with wotlk but god now that im older i realize how janky and shitty was wotlk , you know i give you that , the nostalgia factor and everything of the old world was charming but you cant fucking live in a memory forever
Retail is worse. It is a cesspool of sellling runs and gear. It is bad. And blizzard is selling tokens ingame as well as limiting the gold you can earn. They are litterally getting away with crap that is illegal in the real world.
My plan was to hop off the classic bus with WoTLK. But since they announced the re-release of Cataclysm I completely stopped playing, I made the mistake of purchasing and playing Cata once and I don't plan to make that mistake again.
I started at the end of wotlk. So to me that is the wow i know. But i playe dthe last wo days of classic cata and it is not good. Too many bugs. They knew about them in beta. They left them in. It is too easy and they even said they wanted it easy. But dungeons are a mess cos lots of people dont know mechaincs. So lots of wipes . Just dont boher. I just uninstalled it.
honestly there should just be a server dedicated to each expansion since (and including) classic. and then you can transfer your character from one to the next at max level if you choose to. this would make it optimum for people trying to experience the whole story, or people that only want to stay in one expansion.
I don't think they're making a terrible decision to not keep alternate wrath servers. The player base in wotlk classic was struggling enough by the end, and we already know classic era is basically dead. It would just be a sunk cost for blizz
So what happens when classic catches up to modern?
Anarchy
i love cata
the dungeon finder and flying mounts i generally dont like
flying mounts have always hurt world pvp ever since it was implemented in TBC (HOWEVER it works better in TBC than it did any other expansion)
dungeon finder also hurts world pvp (and pve) because everyone's just chilling in a city waiting for dungeons to pop while scrolling on youtube lol
i was already discouraged to play cata because right after announcing cata they said "yeah we're going to MoP as well"
i lost all motivation to even get invested
and because of this
im remaining glued to classic era
If you clear the end bosses in each expansions I.e. Vashj, KT, Archimonde, illidan, kiljaedan then you get 10% xp and rep bonus pwr boss in the next xpac to level with
I wouldn’t mind if they simply cycled through the first three installments, although some sort of permanent horizontal progression track might be necessary for long term player retention.
I haven't played the "classic" servers yet but I always thought that what you are talking about was how the whole thing function. What's the point of "classic" if at some point you will be 1 or 2 xpacs behind live servers. There should be an option for the time capsule that you talked about.
At this point it is basically just wow rebooted. Also as they are releasing expansions faster, what do they do if they catch up to retail?
I remember discussing this very idea on the official WoW forums. A means of progressing a character from Vanilla to TBC to WotLK at your leisure. This would have massive appeal to many and perhaps completionists in particular. Being able to collect the various tier sets for each class in vanilla before progressing them into TBC and doing it again with one added class and then doing so again to WotLK with another added class just has a lot of appeal to me. Moving Naxxrammas from EPL to Dragonblight certainly made a certain sense but losing access to tier 3 was a huge bummer. They did something unexpected with leaving original Onyxia in when they introduced the revamped version of Onyxia and I wished they had done the same with Naxxramas though I was led to believe that it would have involved a great deal more work considering the scale is a lot different.
In any event, yeah. If they were to do this I would gladly renew my subscription and would even pay extra if for whatever reason, a price hike was necessary. $20, $25, whatever. Just take my money and let me play through Vanilla->WotLk at my leisure.
They already announced in a dev interview that they are going to do SOD based content into the expansions so people can play tbc and wotlk, but straight era servers are not happening.
I think they should definitly do that, i never played classic in 2003 or 2019, i sttarted in wow in SL and been playing DF, only hae 2 character and i think i wanna have those 3 Experiences. After that concentrate all the effor in wow classic and retail, mostly bc the future of wow is the world soul saga, sod and classic must be just a time capsule, no better word for it.
I have absolutely no idea how people consider wotlk as "classic". Wrath feels nothing like vanilla and tbc but it feels very similar to cataclysm.
Does this mean Belves/Draenei in Classic (starter zones included), but with the Classic balancing, and DKs in TBC?
I'm sold if so.
My friends and I started playing Wrath of the Lich King Classic. We were planning to lock our levels at 60 and take our time with vanilla, then go to 70 and lock and take our time with Burning Crusade, then unlock and go to Lich King. That doesn't really work because with Cataclysm, they broke the game. So now our characters are broken too, thrust into the world we didn't want to be in.
Yeah. I didn't realize the wotlk classic server was going to roll over into cataclysm when I rolled a character this past month. I was annoyed when it wasn't an optional change so I dropped it and started it up on classic vanilla.
currently playing on Netherwing from Stormforge which is their TBC server. If I had the option from blizzard I still probably wouldn't touch it until they address the lack of GMs and the obvious botting that plagues their servers. If a small private server can do it then a multi million dollar company has no excuse.
I have been a long time player, since Vanilla, and when I heard Wrath Classic was coming, I got very excited. I am actually in the camp of "I love Wrath and I love Cata, but there should be servers for each, not one replace the other.
Imagine my disappointment and displeasure to find Blizzard took down all the TBC servers, took out the cross-server Dungeon Finder, made it so gear score actually metters, then added that damned WoW token. I WAS willing to forgive all of this until I heard they were shutting all the servers down and moving towards Cata. I felt that Blizzard really didn't respect my time and money invested in the Wrath Classic experience by doing that, so I quit a couple of days after Ulduar opened up, no point in gearing for...NOTHING
I would definitely come back if they opened servers for TBC and Wrath, but I doubt they'd let me bring my characters I invested hours building up.
You have some great ideas, and I am 100% behind taking the in game store out of those versions.
I loved Cataclysm (mainly Tier 11) but I do hope we can at least get a couple TBC and WotLK servers back. I started in late Wrath and was really hoping to play through Wrath Classic. As it happened, I got too busy and only got to level 74 (on a boosted character.) I really wanted to do a full 1-80 and then hit the raids. 😔
I would love to play tbc again but im afraid because there is so many version options it won't have a good online (what i mean by good is not a 2-3 giant raid hosting discord and dead lfg chat)
TRUE! It seems like a huge missed opportunity to leave out a permanent TBC and/or WOTLK (one each) server as an Era opportunity.
The main problem I see as an issue is that then it would HEAVILY impact people leveling on TBC servers if you want to level a draenei/blood elf. Since they would likely be on a different server with people leveling in a vanilla world.
I think it's be good if they could integrate TBC and Wotlk servers into the classic (+) servers, so that all classic players can interact with each other and depending on the level cap you choose, you unlock the raids relevant. So if a tbc player goes to Azeroth they can chill with their vanilla friends and still see the lfg channels for vanilla raids for their alts f.e. to avoid tbc and wotlk servers dying because your friends are on different classics. That way you can have alts that go through wotlk and get the lvling experience. Some caps like item transfers and gold should apply to not make vanilla chars OP with tbc gear, etc.. even cooler if its a classic + server where there are some perks like talbuks for vanilla players if they get an alt exalted with the tbc rep
my biggest concern with 3 disparate "original trilogy" servers is the community fragmentation. I liked the idea of a rolling progression server that goes from Vanilla to WOTLK over several years, then starts over. However, I like your idea of being able to "promote" each of your characters up to a later expansion, that would be great for guilds! How do you solve for stale servers after a few years, though? Rolling Progression servers would "rollover" at the end of LK so it would be fresh again, not sure how it could be achieved with your idea here, but want to hear about it
Maybe they're worried about the playerbase being too split up now between Cata Classic, Dragonflight, Classic Era, Hardcore, Season of Discovery. TBC+WOTLK era would split people up a bit more, so maybe it's just not the time yet? Idk. But anyway it's definitely a great idea to do like 1 era server for each (or however many) in the format you suggest with no tokens/boosts etc and the transfer option would be cool too
I wholeheartedly agree. As soon as I heard that you wouldn’t just be able to stay in wrath I knew I was gonna stop touching classic WoW. Wrath is my ideal staying spot. I play blood elves, it’s what I played when I first started the game way back in burning crusade and it’s what I play to this day, but I also absolutely love the old world, where the quests weren’t nearly as hand holdy and you had to actually pay attention to what you were doing. And sadly vanilla classic and SoD can’t offer that for me :/ so I am very very sad to see the old world disappear for me
Totally agree! I didn’t have time to raid Black Temple in BC, would be great to have those old raids available again. Also just to enjoy classic levelling with raid progression without the time pressure of the next looming expansion release.
My thought about Cata is that base retail wow is already Cataclysm. Ya leave Duratar and boom ya in cata doing the quest in areas affected by it. So I really never saw a point.
I've been saying this since they pushed TBC to WOTLK, just allow people to have the choice between staying in EXPs or Progress through them. Every char should be able to either move or be cloned. And sure if you want to take the char back to the previous exp, sure be a paid service. Otherwise make it free.
I kinda understood TBC not getting their own servers, but I was rather surprised by Wrath not getting their servers. At this point though, there really isn't a downside to just having at the very least a PvP and normal server up for players to enjoy their expansions of choice.
if they added perm tbc and wrath servers i might actually come back to wow. main reason i skipped out on tbc and wrath is because they were temporary and why would i want to play something that i might enjoy only to have it taken away from me.
I really agree. I am an adult, and only play casually with long breaks. I was enjoying wrath and haven't even reached max level at all (the same happened with tbc).. but now wrath is over....... I just wanted to have a good time whenever I felt like it. ugh. Also because Wrath was the last original expansion I played, and for me personally, that is the end.
I started playing the game just two years ago. I would love it if I could play through the old expacs in sequence ending up in retail. I would love to do that. Until I can do that, I’ll stick with retail.
"GUYS WOW HAS TOO MANY VERSIONS OF WOW TO PLAY"
ALSO LETS ADD TBC AND WRATH SERVERS
I really don't understand this boomers...
To be honest. I think Cata is still part of Classic. Mostly what Cata does is improve upon what is the initial concept that is made during the Wrath. The Class design itself is not really that different from what it is during Wrath. Maybe u add a bit more button but the talents and etc is mostly just Wrath talent which is condensed into better talent tree. And the fact is most of this leveling streamlined and stuff is also begin in Wrath. Heirloom and Streamline quest literally begin in Northrend in fact and how the questing in Northrend is just different compared to what u experience during TBC and Vanilla. It is just not fair to blame it all on Cata when in fact Wrath is where it begins of those thing and even in Wrath they added Heroic raid too which is not really something classic anymore supposedly and even then we basically see how sour it is by the end of WoTLK the state of the server itself.
best comment! Saying Wotlk is like TBC and Vanilla is utterly deluded. The game was very fast paced back then even faster than it was in Cata
Copy character option instead of transfer would be better. This way you don't necessarily wipe out the server population, because if people want to come back to play classic raids, their character is still there.
If they did this it has to be 1 server only. The community is so divided right now, it’s still functioning but TWO more eras is going to be tough. It’ll have hype to start with but man I can imagine TBC will be tough to get a group unless it’s actually scheduled. My thoughts I could be wrong. Love to see TBC server, missed out on it recently, played it back in the day definitely a any to play it again
Sure permanent servers would be fun, but a progression realm what resets itself after a while would also be interesting.. a lot of people seems to enjoy when the game starts and everybody is level 1... and play on a server where the economy is fresh and people are not max level. That's when WOW feels alive, when everybody is leveling.
yes I returned to wow strictly for tbc at many many points over the years, it's a shame that it was so temporary
I am long time late for TBC and also I lost my oportunity to join the party at TBC Classic. I have full time job and I just couldn't make it on time. If there was TBC classic that would be avaible 24/7 ngl I would definitely try it.
Didn't really feel like playing Cata Classic, then they also forced us to change realms... Ended up on a 99% Horde realm with my Alliance and couldn't re-use most of my character names. Yeah, guess I'll just stick with Classic Era.