Driving the new Hurricane Twin Turbo 6.. Is it better than the V8 Hemi?
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- I finally get to drive the 2023 Jeep Grand Wagoneer equipped with the brand new Hurricane twin turbo inline 6 cylinder to see how it performs against the current V8 hemi engines in the Mopar lineup. This new engine makes more power, it's more fuel efficient, and it's more tunable, but is it really better? What do you think about the Hurricane?
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Nothing can replace a V8 HEMI, nothing and never. Sound, vibrations, etc. This is a total work of art. It's not a question of how fast the 0-60 acceleration is.
A HEMI for me is the finest honest American engine construction.
And I bought my 21 Challenger Scat Pack precisely because the car is what it is. Of course, all dealers will now praise the Hurrican 6 cylinder, after all, they have no other choice. HEMI forever. Greetings from good old Germany 😎😀
Perfectly stated!
Amen Brother
You might have a loud car. But it’ll be a loud slower car 🤣 I’d take this engine in a charger challenger over a 6.4
@nicholasnelson3791 Have fun in you're overpriced Hurricane vehicle till it breaks and costs you thousands in repairs mate.
@@CJColvin why would this engine be more prone to breaking than any other engine ? You can’t just say that without and factual info.. I already have a DI twin turbo car and it’s not bad at all
I own a Grand Wagoneer with the 6.4L V8. I was thinking to upgrade to the Grand Wagoneer L for the extra room. When I was in Florida recently I rented a Grand Wagoneer Series II with the HO Hurricane engine. I was disappointed. Drove it for a week. My notes were that compared to my 6.4 the Turbo six was:
1) Smoother than the V8 for sure. The Hurricane was VERY smooth and buttery.
2) The sound was not as good as the V8. But I never expected it to be and I do not own the GW for sound anyway. I own it for luxury and because my family fits in it well.
3) The Turbo Six was a serious disappointment in fuel economy. IF it got any better than the V8 at all, it was perhaps 0.3 MPG. So what is the point? The MPG was basically the same.
4) The V8 response is solidly better than the turbo six. The Turbo from the start need a second to come on spool. The V8 launches instantly. But not a meaningful difference. - The BIG difference was in highway speed passing power. In the HEMI if I need to blow past someone and this is an 80+ mph passing, the Hurricane would run out of steam where the HEMI just keeps pulling hard. Especially if you are approaching 90 in a highway passing. Some will say that is too fast in these big rigs anyway, but to me, when you are passing a car (or two) in an open section, you want to rip by and not hang out in the wrong side. The HEMI was hands down without question superior in this way. I thought it would be the Hurricane that would be better in this with the turbos, but nope. The HEMI was clearly stronger in this instance.
Based upon my experience, while I think the Hurricane is a lovely, smooth engine. I decided to keep my HEMI for now. There was no clear advantage in MPG to the turbo six and the passing power was not as strong. I can see either being a fine engine for these big, heavy SUV’s - but the HEMI is still just a little better in my opinion.
Nice comparison. I'm not sure what the hurricane is rated at for mpg but I'm not surprised that it's not much different from the 6.4 at least in those big heavy wagoneers. Just out of curiosity if the hurricane did yield a noticably better mpg over the 6.4 would that be enough for you to trade up?
@@chetmanley610 If the MPG was meaningfully improved over the HEMI, then yes, I would trade up. The reduced passing power on the top end is something I could live with. But not if there are no other benefits to the Hurricane. I think to see any real world MPG improvement I would need to drive the GW with a VERY light foot. The turbos basically are always feeding during normal acceleration or highway driving in the GW because it is a heavy vehicle, so the MPG suffers. This combined with the reduced top end passing power removes any benefit. If the MPG was 2+ or more better, then I could see perhaps moving up.
I own a GW with a hurricane engine and own 2 Hemi and you’re dead wrong on the power … it is very noticeable ( it does take 1 second of lag to wake but it flies in comparison to Hemi that wakes instantly but is slower) I drive sport mode 24/7 … the gas consumption is like you said almost identical 14 Hemi 14.8 hurricane, and I have a very heavy foot
@@florincarbunaru1834 Good to know. Hope you have better luck than I did with the GW. I really love them, but the reliability is horrible. We built up to having 3 of them in our business, but the problems were so bad we had to dump two of them and the third is now going through the lemon law process - it launched a piston in the HEMI. Very surprising, but just too many issues. Changed over to all Escalades now. If Jeep got these right on the reliability, they would crush the Escalade, but unfortunately, Jeep did not do so. I was extremely surprised that the engine had an issue given that they have been building the 6.4 for so many years.
Superior in emissions to the hemi, thus fewer carbon credits for the company to buy.
Watched you grow from the beginning, every upload I see is better and better. Love the content X supporting from VA🥂🤝🏽
I love that they are bringing back an actual inline 6 engine and I think we will see some decent reliability from these, however, dodge is making a huge mistake by getting rid of their pushrod V8’s. They need to have both of these engines available simultaneously. Also, maybe make a naturally aspirated version of the new hurricane and put it in the wrangler? Just a thought…
They are getting charged hundreds of millions of dollars a year in penalties because they can't meet the CAFE mileage standards. Of course, these may not even end up getting better mileage in the real world since people will be boosting them all the time compared to MPG test conditions. I'm impressed with the power of these, but also realize it will take them 5 or 6 years to fix whether inherent issues they have. That seems to be the average to fix things like the Ecodiesel, the Pentastar and so forth. Ford does the same slow roll and I think GM just doesn't bother to fix things.
I will always have a hemi. Having said that I have owned a Grand National. With a few mods those cars were wicked fast. So I'm up for anything with a turbo on it.
Just leave it boosted in the wrangler, why deny the fun?
Yes in-line 6 in a Jeep wrangler sounds good.
CAFE and EPA regulations is why the HEMI is about extinct new. Stellantis wisely went inline Turbo six over GM's stupid turbo 4 banger used in inappropriate applications.
Great assembly quality control as evidenced by the improper installation of the door weatherstrip trim over your left shoulder.
It will never ever ever replace the Hemi. Love from JUD brother!
Love the reviews man. Keep up the great content 👏
No twin turbo can compare to a HEMI V8. You can’t sugar coat it
Especially when you have a twin turboed 392 Hemi.
30lbs of boost can't be made for longevity.... I forsee many problems with the hurricane
I'm a slant 6 nut from way back and been loving the vids on the Vortec 4200 from the trailblazer. You could say i'm a fan of straight 6's, i have been waiting for an actual review of these new 6's, nice to see they appear to be worthy. can't wait to see them hot rodded
I have a Wrangler TJ with a 4.0 inline 6 and a Ram Cummins 6.7 inline 6 they are just so simple and reliable. Would love a new jeep as mines at 190k but don't want that V6
Looks like a thousand ways for something to go bad to me. Those hurricane engines are going to be EcoBoost style headaches.
@kskip4242
I was thinking the exact same thing
Yes. but 10x worse cuz quality is something FIAT is not known for on any degree.
@@nytrackrider2600 Sounds like a sure train wreck. You take a chrysler corporation product that has generally always had poor quality and make it worse
Probably worse😂
Certainly not spending a 100K+ for the first year model until the bugs are worked out and/or known. It seems a big problem with modern engines is that they eat a little oil and no one checks their oil. Ever. Watch I Do Cars tear apart modern engines. Almost everything that he gets has oil starvation as at least a contributing factor.
RacerX, I like that your reviewing more then just the muscle cars. Thx!
😊I get a kick outta seeing how much fun you have driving these cars. It put a smile on your face. I'm looking at what's out there for my wife's next car. As much as she loves her Journey, it just doesn't have the oomph to get out of it's way on the interstate. 13:41 14:07
Got $100K saved up?😂
This engine is going to be tuners dream!! With a downpipe intake and exhaust and a tune these will see 700 crank hp watch!!! People need to give these a chance I know it’s no 6.4 hemi but these are going to be awesome!!
I like it. I have a 2006 subaru sti making 500whp. This twin turbo inline 6 has ALOT of potential! Your right with the right tune and maybe a few mods it could possibly make 700 ish hp.
I am excited to see what comes out of these. People are so disappointing. I love my 392 hemi but that doesn’t mean I don’t love other engines or cars. I love many types of vehicle and power plants for different reasons and in different contexts. Nobody wins any points for misplaced brand/product loyalty, we all just lose a little bit of togetherness. All by way of saying; I totally agree!
I'm accepting of everything accept a rotary. The 6.4 hemi is a orgasmic exhaust note for my ears that no other engine can replicate. But ive never owned a v8 so it can live without it. I'm chasing speed rn
@@JeremyAndersonBoise Agree 100%
Idk how much you wanna take their word for it but they claim the engine can handle 1000hp, and their currently working on a crate engine that's 1000hp and emissions compliant.
No doubt these will be a force to be reckoned with
I think for car folks, the answer will always be no!!!!
I think it will feel stronger then the 5.7 . Aswell as get better economy , and it will be just as or more reliable. The downside is sound, for sure but these modified will make way more power then the hellcats.
The inline 6 is mostly plastic and plastic doesn't hold up well in high heat environments.
The V6 was known for having an oil cooler that cracked because it was in the valley that was plastic and this motor is completely plastic with twin turbos to make sure that everything gets a thorough heat soaking.
I thought it was bad in the '90s when they put plastic hinges knowing that you would have to replace them😅 now the whole power plant. 😂
Don't speak for us, a lot of us are interested in the Hurricane engine and what it could possibly do.
Speak for yourself my boy. A true car enthusiast doesn't care about the cylinders. I hate Hondas but I respect them in a different way . And i give props to their 4 banger
Agreed 💯 majority of TRUE gearheads want that BIG V8 Supercharged sound & performance.
Can't get excited about this V6 or straight 6 stuff.
Trouble is a 6 cylinder still sounds like a 6 cylinder even with twin turbos on it. It sounds like crapola. Think 1st Gen Raptor, same problem! I know, use to have one, hated the sound no matter how exhaust was modified.
NO THANKS!
However, I can get excited about if Trump gets re-elected. He's already said he's bringing back drilling for oil at home & be energy INDEPENDENT again with low gas prices & low inflation everywhere, just like before.
He said Americans should have choices, not just have mandated green energy climate change BS vehicles shoved down our throats, so he's removing the hundreds of strict Government regulations off of the American Auto manufacturers so they can build the cars and vehicles that we love. I can see the hemi & even better V8 ICE engines coming our way if he gets in there.
If he don't, then kiss all your V8's goodbye!
He Has My Vote 💯 !! He works only for We The People Not the Washington Deep State Bureaucrats & their big money backers oF RINOS & DEMS candidates & politicians.
I Want my Supercharged Big V8'S!
Hang in there America! I think the American manufacturers are waiting to see who gets elected, so they can adjust accordingly, building the big V8's that we all love under Trump in office or have them die under anyone else.
Just sayin......
Excellent review Racer! You make me excited for the Hurricane! I would love to see that engine in a revived stealth. Come on Dodge! Bring back the Stealth!
Watching this while on a 10 mile run wish u had like a podcast or some your vary knowledgeable racerx
Anyways Texas misses you sir !!!
Some other youtubers that reviewed the wagoneer hurricanes several months ago tested them back to back with a 5.7 hemi and it annihilated the hurricane in fuel economy.
Probably because the hurricane was attached to a huge ass SUV and the 5.7 wasn't.
@@freddybell8328 no it was the same model
@@registrationaccount1034 Might be a case where fuel economy of a smaller engine is better in very specific manufacturer controlled scenarios for testing but in real world usage the larger engine is more efficient. Be common with 4-cylinder and 6 cylinder comparisons.
Going a 150 in a demon I get 21 mpg not to bad! It's the stop to start kills your mpg.
I will keep my hemi
Yes the Grand Wagoneer is nice looking but with the MSRP listed at $109,145, it's too much for most....I'll stick with my SRT-10 and T/A 392...but like always a nice video.
Racer X friend keep up the great work 😃😃💪💪🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍👍
Well done sir. Well explained and shown. Thats a nice lookin rig too.😛
@RacerX While I'd rather have a Hemi V8, it'd be cool if they did a Hemi variation of this twin turbo inline 6. They used to sell a HEMI-6 (HEMI Slant 6) back in 60's and 70's in Australia.
The boom boom boom of my 6.4 scatty is what's its about. Don't get me wrong, speed is great and so is power and torch. Driving is an experience, the vibration, sound and rumble is what it is. Idk, we'll see when the engine is in a Challenger/charger platform
I agree but when all you see is the taillights getting smaller and then you find out you got whipped by a 6 banger that may make you re think things.
I want to learn about this engine but don't know if I can make it trough this this guys Rambles on and on teases it out for ever he really loves the sound of his own voice
❤Thank you for sharing God bless you
Love the hemi and don’t like the hurricane just because it’s going to kill the hemi. But I am excited for it. I think I could be a blast. Just won’t sound as good. A light challenger with the high output could kill so many cars
I'm looking forward to the new Hurricane engine, however I do have one major concern & that is reliability with turbo charged engines in general. Turbo technology has greatly improved in recent years, especially with the Ford EcoBoost family of engines, buyers are generally very pleased with results, so long as the owner keeps up with proper maintenance. I hope this new direction that the brand is taking will be a success.
I've been driving turbo cars for decades now. Modern turbo engines are highly reliable.
@@Japplesnap Yes that's true, so long as people do proper maintenance they should hold up.
In gas (spark-ignited) engines, correct. These engines are pressure and temperature limited, where diesels are not. This fan-boy worship of BMW engine architecture in a truck is uninformed.
The main key with turbo engines is to do oil changes every 3-5k miles, NOT 10k. Deposits build up in the oil and can block the filter in the oil line to the turbos. You can imagine what happens next
Turbo engines have been incredibly reliable for decades. Simply keep up with the oil changes and you will not have any issues.
The weatherstrip on the drivers door is driving me nuts! 😂
Wood grain is a genuine pine 2x4, coated in clear deck stain. Outstanding 👍
Great video, thanks for the real time review on how this engine feels. The new Charger and Challenger should get it as a cool circle since you could get an inline 6 in those cars in the 60's.
What I'm excited for is WHEN Chrysler makes the Hurricane 6 a crate engine. I'd install one in a classic Charger/Challenger/Dart that originally came with a slant 6!
The question is will that Hurricane Inline Six outlast the Hemi V8?
@@CJColvin We'll just have to wait and see, that's one question I'm intrigued about.
Another fantastic video!! That Wagoneer is more extravagant than I ever imagined! That interior is unlike anything I've ever seen before! Once again, like I've stated before, I am a big proponent to the HEMI. The HEMI going away is a sting that I am not sure if I'll ever recover from. That said, with regard to its successor, I am very excited about the new Hurricane I6 engine! I can't wait to see what new platforms that engine will be featured in. Here's hoping for the return of the 'cuda! Stay strong, fellow Mopar brothers and sisters! On behalf of Racer X, I thank each and every one of you for being awesome subscribers and supporters of Racer X's channel! You all are awesome!!
I think the new cars with the inline 6 will be bette perhaps. I like inline 6's. Chrysler has a good history with 6's. 6's are more exotic motors that can be pushed harder than V8. They have more torque, and you can rev them out more, and they're better at sustaining high speed operation. With that said, that whole era with the 300, the challenger, and the chargers with the hemi was a great era. Those cars are going to be loved for a long time. The Lincoln town car was a very good car too and when dodge got the mercedes W211 technology and applied it to an American car. These cars have turned out being some of the most loved cars in modern times because of their looks, their performance and the sound they make, People love these car and fortunately there's been a lot of them made. I drive a 2006 Mercedes E320 CDI, and it's a great car, it's a better car, it has a better motor, it's more aerodynamic, it's a better car but I can understand from the W211 it's great chasis and dodge did a great job dropping a modern HEMI V8 in it. But to tell you the truth, if you really want to go fast, the turbodiesel is the really high performance option. I'm surprised nobody has figured to hot rod a Chrysler charger with the V6 turbodiesel. But then the thing is you can't get the power out of the V6 turbodiesels as you can from the Mercedes inline 6, so that should say something about the merrit of going to a inline 6 in general, but even the V6 turbodiesel will the leave the V8 behind on the open road above 80mph.
🤣🤣🤣 all Chryslers are garbage!!
RUclips LSX Challenger.
RUclips LSX RAM.
RUclips LS duster.
RUclips LS Dakota.
RUclips LS hellcat.
RUclips LS magnum.
for a 100k vehicle it better be
What a freakin beast!
I fell in love with this truck at the NYAS , my son wants a Trackhawk of course..
As a bmw owner, I love a straight 6 bi turbo. Loving this engine so far.
Looks like a very capable engine, I’m an ICE guy especially a V8, I’m just glad it’s not another damn EV, great video 😁👍
ANYTHING is better than an EV, give me a 3 cylinder Japanese K class car instead on an EV
Racer X, as a 6.4 L challenger owner, you are really selling me on the Hurricane. I think it can be a great modern engine. I’m excited about the future.
I doubt it'll outlast the 392 Hemi V8 though?
Assuming it can get past 100,000 miles without any major repairs
Like the old saying, 6 in a row - ready to tow. Glad the Hurricane engine name is back! Thanks as always for the review ~ Chuck P.S. - like you said, in a newer/smaller chassis - this would be wicked!
It's a good thing when you are offered options, different strokes for different folks. I would like to see them also offer the exterior wood trim panels like the classic Grand Wagoneer had.😊
0-60 time on the Grand Wagoneer with this engine is only 4.7 seconds, that's impressive!
that is a good project 99 single cab Dakota rt with that hurricane engine swap and a 6 speed transmission.
As much as I love my '21 scatpack, I gotta admit these engines are going to be NASTY once tuners get their hands on them. I'm almost 100% sure there is a ton of performance left on the table here.
Yeah just think what a simple piggyback tune and some downpipes could make some easy power
Going to be even nastier once they start showing up at sideshows and insurance stops covering them like they've started doing in certain markets thanks to the Kia Gangbangers. 🤡
@@boboso7238you think kias be at slideshows ? 😹🤦♂️ it’s usually a 5.7 or a G35 😂
Or maybe they will place the top ring right up top and tightest possible ( the primary issue people don't squeeze much out the 6.4l) for emissions with just enough heat tolerance for stock boost...its hella assuming different because don't they have 2 different blocks.for this engine based on 75hp differences?
Not if they are built like the 5.7L and the 6.1L hemi's. They have no room for upgrades, without handgrenading the engine.
Would love to know what those mean and peak cylinder pressures are on that heavily boosted inline 6, sure you can get a bunch of power and torque with boost but how long will that little 6 last?
If it's anything like the 2j rb26 or barra ..we're in good shape
An inline 6 will always be infinitely more reliable by design than any American pushrod
Probably as long as a cam eating hemi
@@aternateus5835and we don't know remotely if it is...no more than the 6.4L had the legs of an LS3
It's nothing like those, doesn't even rev past 6K rpms. Seems like that the elephant in the room that everyone is missing. @@aternateus5835
I have 2022 Grand Cherokee 4XE and love it. I hope the new GC SRT comes with the TT I6 and hybrid combo to make 610HP and 675TQ respectfully... I totally buy one
Great video
The minute these become available at junk yard I'm getting one to stuff in my Dakota RT.
I've been a Mopar fan since childhood and the real Hemi stopped being produced! Owned all kinds of them powered by a host of various engines from four bangers to 440's! Dodge and Ma Mopar always figured out a way to put something fast out when the odds were stacked against them! Whether it was the Little Red Truck towards the end of the 1970's, the Shelby Turbo cars of the eighties, Viper in the 90's, and the return of the Hemi name and Challenger and Charger in the 2000's.
Not only did they build fast cars they built some of the toughest engines ever built by anyone! We don't even have to talk Cummins diesel to talk about Mopar related engines that could put some miles on! Little slant six and 318's! The beatings I've put on them!
I have faith even under Stellantis they will figure out a way to deliver unique and fun vehicles to own! It's going to take getting people past the one trick pony Hemi mentality! Got to see Dodge as more than a two or three vehicle Hemi only car company! I personally think they made a mistake going down that rabbit hole and were limiting their customer base to much and tarnishing their image in doing so! Invited to many hoodlums and thieves and crybabies to the party.
Just a shame that they allowed Fiat to do the engineering on the new engines. I won't touch them now. I can't go to another manufacturer either, as the EPA is killing the V8 engine. Everyone is going with the Twin-Turbo V6 route and it's depressing. I don't want to be replacing turbo's every 30-60K miles.
@@PatientXero607 Just a shame you don't know what you are talking about!
"Despite having common cylinder spacing and bore and stroke as the FCA Global Medium Engine, as well as valvetrain similarities, "less than 5% of content on the new Hurricane is shared with existing engines."[2] The engine was developed at their technical center in Auburn Hills, Michigan over the course of three years."[
@@PatientXero607 The inline six has proven advantages over V-6 engines! The first and most important is the inline six has far superior balance and you can add to that torque output!
@brianellis3402 I agree 100% brother
You're too foolish to realize the Hemi was damn near the last remnant of Dodge left in this shell of a company. As soon as they're gone so is Dodge. My family has always owned Dodge and Chrysler products. We even love the turbo 80s cars. But the reality is that Dodge died when Fiat took over. At least Fiat kept products of Chrysler engineering around such as the Hemis, Rams, Viper, Jeeps, ect. Now that the Hemi is gone so is the brand. Its that simple. The Hornet is literally an Alfa Tonale with hardly anything changed. The SRT team doesn't even exist anymore. So real fans are going to understand that what ever comes out of Stellantis wont be a Dodge.
Car and Driver got a 4.7 second 0 to 60 in the L or long version. That is very impressive. I have always loved straight 6's.
FYI: since you took the time to reply .....I just subbed. Now I have you, AOA and TFL on my subbed for cars.
Great content, as always. But I'm just not seeing it. The smart way to integrate these engines would've been while SRT was up and running. They could've put these out in the Chargers and challengers to show people that they could make at much hp as the V8s.
The issue I think is that these are not forged internals that can handle tunes to boost them to 700 hp.
Will people get them and play with them? Sure. Just not seeing the same enthusiasm. Especially when Ford and Chevy are continuing their V8 muscle.
Sad to say, but I am done with Dodge after 20 plus years.
Ditto.
I don't mind the hurricane. I just hope Dodge makes a smaller, light car to put it in and compete with the new Supra that is beating everyone because they are small and light. ALSO, I'm curious how they handle mods?
Yes them BMW ain't no joke
Car manufacturers are making it harder and harder to mod engines due to Draconian government requirements. It's probably not easy, especially on the computer side of things.
@@johncarter1137 There will never be a computer lock that won't eventually be hacked.
BMW has been building exciting models for years, no surprise Toyota just gave them the job
Dodge engines below the TOP Trim have never been THAT mod-able, Compared to other manufacturers
As a previous '86 Buick Regal Turbo owner and a current owner of the '89 Anniversary Turbo Trans Am that utilizes the Buick 3.8 turbo, I have no issues with turbo v6's. They are not V8's but they are in most cases very powerful and can be tuned and moded to your hearts desire. Everything from those OG Buick 3.8 turbos to the Eco boosts to the Porsche and BMW's. And I believe the new Ferrari 296 GTB is using a twin turbo v6 hybrid rated at 654 HP on engine alone, and over 800 with its electric hybrid motor.
The Hurricane is an inline six.
That going into the wranglers will be really nice
You can definitely get power more easily out of a turbo engine. For example, you can get 500 plus horsepower out of a 2.3-liter Mustang Ecoboost engine. All you need are downpipe, intercooler, turbo, and fuel pump upgrades along with a flex fuel tune. Burn 93 during the week and fill it with E-85 on race day. This car will smoke stockish Scat Packs, Camaro SSs, and Mustang GTs. The total cost of the upgrades is about $7k. The nice thing about turbo engines is that they are highly tunable. With my Taurus SHO, I cut over a second off my quarter mile ET with just a tune. The cost of the tune was about $600. You can make good power for a relatively small investment. Once you own a turbo car, it is easier to get past the sound of a V8.
Why not just turbo the v8 best of both worlds you get the sound of a v8 and plus the boost
@@johntron1237 - Three letters E-P-A (Environmental Protection Agency). It is getting more and more difficult to meet government standards for fuel economy and emissions. The Hemi can't meet these standards and have to pay a penalty for it. Small displacement engine meet these standards more easily. To get the power out of small displacement engines, boost is added. The era of the V8 is dying and will eventually be dead.
@@hu3.789 oh I thought meant like in general like modding your own hemi but you right out of the factory the epa is making it really hard so it makes sense for the switch in engines
@@johntron1237 - There are 2 problems you'll run into with adding a turbo to the 392 or the 5.7. The first will be space. With all the plumbing involved, there is very little room in the engine bay for turbos. Four- and 6-cylinder engines are smaller allowing the turbos to be placed in the engine bay. The turbos will probably have to be place under the car in the 8 cylinder. That could pose a problem during rainstorms or driving through standing water. The other is that HP70 transmission used in the 392 and 5.7 probably won't stand up long term to the additional torque. Either the HP70 has to be replaced with an HP90 that is used in the Hellcat or the HP70 will have to be rebuilt and strengthened.
The question is will those turbo engines outlast a NA V8?
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When the power comes in I could see the rear end squat. Denis from Santa Rosa CA.
RacerX. I don't recall you giving the price of your test vehicle.
2023 Grand Wagoneer Series III: $107,995
2023 Grand Wagoneer L Series III: $110,995
From Motor Trend. The Huracan in that vehicle has an EPA estimates. 14 mpg city, 19 mpg highway. The base 5.7 Wagoneer starts at $70,845.
Basically more expensive than a Lincoln Navigator or Cadillac Escalade. Maybe compare those two vehicles
I was excited for the next generation chargers and Challengers that would have this engine, til I found out the Hurricane engine is DI only.
Now if you don't plan on keeping the car for too long, that wouldn't be a problem for you. But when I play, I play for keeps. And I don't want the costly headache of a DI engine down the road. Dodge needs to make it dual injection for me to bite.
Carbon buildup :(
You can switch to port injection easily. BMW Twin turbo in-line 6s can be switched from DI to port injection pretty easily.
@@aimxdy8680 My BMW N55 is 8 years old, I just had the intake off to fix the oil filter housing leak, very minimal carbon build up. Someone is running on very old info.
@@aimxdy8680 yea, I know ppl do it all the time to run e85 and what not but I do have some concerns: I don't know that kind of work so I would have to hire a professional to do it for me, at that point how much is it gonna cost? Does it need a tune after that? (Probably, most likely), is it gonna void my warranty? (I'm guessing absolutely). Grand total, how much did I spend on this Hurricane Challenger/Charger, hypothetically? (A crap ton of money this poor guy doesn't have.)
I just wish I didn't have to go through all that trouble from the start.
If you put a hydrogen generator on your car it will clean the cylinders and exhaust and improve your fuel economy about 50%. Plus the combustion temp will go down so you can increase boost or advance timing
Pay 70 to 90 grand for a jeep and after 50,000 miles pulling the head to clean the valves due to direct injection. All those plastic tubes and the heat will also be a problem. Wait till a turbo blows out of warranty and you get the price for two ouch. I really hope this is a great engine or its something the after market can bullet proof. I would defiantly wait a few years and see how they hold up before I would buy one.
They learned everything on the 80's 2.2
The 4 cyl that can make 500 hp on stock internals.
LOL yea I see them all on the road today still pulling hard. NOT!@@kenik2023
Oooooo.... Daddy llikeee. Six in a row ready to GO!
i think the issue is that a lot of people look at this engine as trying to be/replace the hemi but i think looking at is as a completely different class of enginme, people will love it (assuming its reliable). look at the 2j, or ford barra, or jeep 4.0. people love those engines.
Whether it succeeds or fails I'm excited to see this engine in new Dodge cars.
Tell me what Dodge cars I can find this engine.
Why?
These 4 and 6 turbo motors are nice options but they have to work harder then a v8 in a larger vehicle and it makes fuel milage go down and over all wear tear go up . I don't see the v8 going anywhere and if it does it won't stay gone
It’s actually the opposite. The V8 has to work harder. It needs to rev so much higher to gain max torque.
Straight 6 makes full torque under 2000k rpm. Hemi does that in triple the time at 5k rpm. Plus straight 6 doesn’t need to rev high. Turbos do all the work.
Straight 6 turbos are so powerful, they are found in every 18 wheeler. Tons of them with 5 million plus miles on them.
These new engines will be the closest to a diesel without having to go diesel. This will close the gap.
v8!is definitely going away for good. Won’t pass emissions. Plus these new 6 engines will last longer and make tons more power.
Ive been telling all my Hemi buddies out there,"just wait...just wait, you'll see". Im totally a V8 guy but im open minded too. I have a 2018 Civic Si that had 177hp @ the wheels & now puts out 326 @ the wheels & 316flb of torque out of a 1.5l @ 2800lbs. It moves. Nissan has a GTR-Nismo that plays all kinds of havoc with Hellcats. All wheel drive V6 twin turbos. Its a beast & room to grow.
If Dodge can down scale a Challenger or Cuda & put that top tier i6 Hurricane motor in it with twin turbos, The turners could go Ape s**t with this platform(as long as they keep the weight down tho.). Im excited! Great video X 👍
Yes Sir.....the Gladiator needs this engine. Good vid. Love the inline 6 sound.. :O)
No replacement for displacement, the tone of a V8 exhaust cannot be duplicated!!!
There definitely is. It's called "forced induction". You know, the same way most of the pros make big power. At some point, you're going forced induction, be it supercharger or turbocharger. Dont forget racing gas and nitrous all play a part. Displacment is nice and all, but it's not everything. People who think like that are stuck in the past, and wont be winning much.
No, there is no replacement for displacement. Proven everyday at NHRA tracks around the country. Forced induction works just fine on big motors and makes huge gains.
Dodge Hurricane engine, is basically a more modern 2jz motor. Not sure what size turbos they come with, but with a tune, intake, and downpipes I'm sure they can put out close 700whp pretty close to stock maybe more depending on the size of the turbos and fuel used.
Hell no 😂it’s more a ford v6 eco boost
@@darrylrichardson1997 but its a inline 6 lol
You’re right a I6 has 7 main bearings to a V8’s 5 mains plus they are inherently balanced. I’m sure the 2JZ was looked over and used as a benchmark to beat. I’m curious how well the engine will do after tuners get a hold of it!
@@pauldiesel4582not good considering the fact dodge loves to cut corners
@@8dtuneess342 That’s a broad statement. Are you talking about their engines?
My boss just bought a new Wagoneer Series 3. and it is gorgeous inside and out. That said, it had an MSRP of $113,000.00. WOW! They have a long horse trailer and classic car trailer they pull with this new Grand Wagoneer which is the reason they bought the vehicle. This vehicle replaced a RAM one-ton pickup and a GMC Yukon, so I guess this is a deal?
When I used to drag race Snowmobile’s. Having low end torque is huge. Making quick torque is unbeatable. Especially when you run 500 feet. My stock 900 ZR could hit 105 I beat snowmobiles with more Hp because of the torque. So I expect the AWD to be wicked out of the hole.
115k? Oh hell no… I realize it’s top of the line with all the bells and whistle‘s, but even a midpoint offering is probably going to be 85k+ and then you probably don’t get the TwinTurbo Hurricane. Hard pass here.
I’m surprised the “But it’s not a manual transmission 😢” guys haven’t chimed in.. They literally want to shift EVERYTHING lol
most of them dont even know how to drive a manual lol 😂
@@RSJerelle_ No manual I pass. And yes, I know how to drive one. My daily driver is a three on the tree, which probably would mystify the both of you.
@@yourolddad6407If your daily is a three on the tree, I doubt you can afford a new vehicle. 😂
Last time a had one, it was in the 80’s. All were shit cars then. Econloline. I would be depressed if I was stuck driving those still.
Our jeep / ram dealer isn't moving cars. They had a big banner with employee pricing for everyone and some other discount and I still wasn't seeing anything move off their lot. Will be interesting if they can survive the economy situation. Hopefully the Ram Rampage comes out in time to soak up some of the maverick demand.
Looking forward to the two hp variations of the Hurricane in the upcoming Charger👍🏻❤️
Raw output, yeah, it:s a little more the hemi at around 400hp standard output ant 500hp high output. But when it's squeezing those numbers out of just 3 liters of displacement, "better" has to be carefully considered. Getting 200-300 thousand miles out of a gen III hemi isn't unheard of. They remain pretty stout and strong throughout that lifecycle. Fuel economy can be surprisingly good with manual transmission Challenger r/t's easily able to beat EPA highway mpg ratings by 10-20%. With the hurricane, my bet would be real world fuel economy will be no better than the hemi while durability and longevity and reliability get cut in half. So even if it's a little faster and even if certain situations offer better fuel economy than the hemi, for what the hurricane is, and for how their owners will want to use them (not to mention when considering has designed them and who will be building them), they will be a bad choice
I agree 100% brother
@@CJColvin Only time will tell, Fiat isn't known for long term relibility.
How many camshafts does it take to go 2-300,000 miles?
@Patrick-xd8jv almost none mate unlike the EcoBoost engines.
I have mixed feelings. I am a muscle guy and nothing satisfies my automotive urges save an NA or super charged V8. However, am I still excited to see this engine in a car and to see dodge explore new performance avenues? HELL YES! Personally I’d feel it more fitting to bring back the stealth name. A turbo six just doesn’t fit a challenger as well for what it’s been. Regardless be it a challenger, stealth or something entirely new, I am excited to see this motor in a car!
That would be awesome to bring the stealth back!
Doesn’t take much to excite you does it?
@@tomdavis3038 a twin turbo i6 with loads of power potential isn’t at least marginally interesting to you?
How often does the intake ports have to be cleaned of the carbon deposits? All direct injected gas engines have issues with it. Only Toyota has a somewhat effective dual injection setup.
Twin turbo vehicles need love, gotta change the oil before stated interval. I would do 3000 mile changes with good synthetic. It will go and 5000 and 10000 mile intervals but not good. Turbos spin at 180,000 RPMS requiring good flow, the turbos have a screen that will clog and cause failure. Oil changes early save them.
A shame to not offer a V8 or diesel in a vehicle that big.
Oh shot they do;)
price tag on it is even bigger. 6 figures for a Stellantis product? Someone musta bumped their head....
and Inline 6 diesel would offer more power than anyone would ever need. Just a 3 liter inline 6 too. Nowadays Honda has the DTEC diesel, it's 1.6 liters, has150hp at 6000rpm (the highest revving diesel ever made) and like 260ft/lbs of torque. That's a lot of muscle for a Honda Microcar. And Volvo Penta has a 7.7 liter inline 6 diesel that has 600hp and like 1500ft/lbs of torque. They now have integrated exhaust gas cooling into the head so they can push turboboost higher without having the high exhaust gas temps that burn out turbos. Even mercedes is using this trick where they have a 2liter four now with 450hp and 450ft/lbs of torque. There is such thing as having too large of a motor.
I think this will be an awesome sporty engine for the coups and sedans but I'm having serious second thoughts about this in a work truck. The towing on these new engines is lower than the stock Hemi and I don't want to even think about the maintenance of a boosted inline-six that has less displacement than the old 4.0 inline-six AMC engines. The metallurgy and engineering are impressive and no doubt the compression ratio is high. Face it, a performance inline 6 with these kinds of numbers look great for an exotic sedan but impractical for a work vehicle that is going to see hundreds of thousands of miles. The main question is -- who is standing up to the EPA and CAFE and telling them that this low-to-no carbon footprint isn't ideal for all consumer and business needs?
I disagree with the statement of "Hemi's don't take to mods well". You can force induct, stroke, or cam a Ram V8 and get some sizeable HP numbers. It's hard to do because Ram/Dodge isn't open to tweaking an engine that was built to be reliable.
Then buy a bigger RAM with the V8 which is an option for now. Just won't be able to do it until you get to 3500 level.
@@user-cd8ri1mc6s That might be awhile. My '19 Warlock just broke 30k. 🙃
@@user-cd8ri1mc6sSo they’ll put this engine in the Power Wagon? That was gonna be my next truck but if this engine is in it I’m not sure
@@cpdrumming The Hemi is history. Cost $2500 out the door each sold in Carbon taxes.
@@user-cd8ri1mc6s jeez
lets hope its as strong as the Australian ford barra and if so people will be Very happy !!
I don’t see anything wrong with it I like it I just think for a lot of people they just prefer that natural v8 roar that the new vehicles won’t have like racer x said you just got to get behind the wheel of one and get a better judgement for it
Definitely better than the 5.7 at a minimum, about time dodge brought in a replacement for their engines, and will probably blow the doors off of previous gen dodge cars, better launching and better top ends, which dodge so desperately needed
I would think that HEMI fans wouldn't hate it so much. The 2JZ engine is inline TT. Those cars rule the streets.
Real Hemi fans perhaps, or better yet, actual car guys in general.
The online community on their trumpets tend to be more basic and "paper spec" folk than anything.
I definitely hear "i6" and "associated Chrysler" and instantly went "well Jeep, we found your new engine" lol
Turbos are pretty epic.
Nice Jeep... you can only imagine how much extended warranties are gonna cost on vehicles like this... $5 -10k ??? You'll need it for all of that technology 😊
These things aren't selling well at all be some heavy discounts at end of year❤
They are around 100k give or take! Lot of money no matter the engine under the hood.
@@lisam4503 Wow! Now that is absurd
@@manher4335 As he explained in a past video they've had to jack the prices way up to offshoot emissions related penalties and to stay profitable with less sales.
@@lisam4503 Well. Needless to say that tactic is gonna come at a disadvantage as tough as it is. Affordability clearly won't be a benefit. Few will justify the price unless they have money to burn. I feel they should pinch a penny here n there to make it more applicable to their target demographic.
@@manher4335 Some of the youtubers are contributing to the problem! They think everyone has money like they do! I won't name them, but I was totally shocked by one of their responses to me over this issue!
It wasn't Racer X but someone he knows! It's like they live in a totally different economic world than most everyone else and can't see it! Really stuck up about it!
Only issue is tuning them….. I have an acquaintance who blew his trans on his hellcat and was not covered as his car was tuned (which they found by scanning PCM). I’m sure this will carry over so be careful anyone who chooses to go down the sticky path.
If you want to flush your factory warranty. Tune your new vehicle. A simple diagnostics scan will determine if your vehicle was tuned voiding your warranty.
Maybe get a junkyard pcm to play with, keep factory box on shelf
Gonna miss the V8 for sure. All the rumble and noise and crazy power. Drove the Challenger Hellcat Redeye on the Corvette Speedway a couple years ago. What a Monster! Since the V8 is gone now, a TT inline 6 is a great setup for reliable power, especially if they use a progressive trubo setup, one low pressure for daily driving, one high for the extra boost when needed. Inline 6's have better balance and torque for their size because of the crank's rod connection geometry.
Nissan proved that a long time ago with the R34. Jeep's inline 6 reliability has been legendary, and a proper turbo setup can turn a small engine into a reliable daily driveable monster, so it makes perfect sense to test the market with these.
Just was scrolling on ig and came across joeyswoll. Thought it was you. Carry on😂😂😂😂
Turbo is great, max usable torque at low rpm's. I love my mustang and camaro, bit I own turbo cars also
Can you just imagine the out of warranty costs with 20 screens on the interior only?
That's why this vehicle is meant to be leased. It's a Stellantis product...not meant to keep long term.
Nothing us peasants will have to worry about 😂
Seeing how (un) well the Dodge Hornet did on the TFL channels test, furthers my belief to stay far away from anything FIAT or their partner Peugeot/Citroën engineers or are behind the development or building of...While they run, they might be fun- but then as they age they just are constantly "Crapping the bed"
It kind of depends, the FIAT multijet motor is one of the most successful modern engines ever built. Almost everybody uses these engines, they're cheap, quiet, powerful, reliable, efficient. They also have the twin air motor, inline 2 turbocharged and it doesn't have a throttle body, it uses the intake valves to control the air flow. I'm impressed.
@rainbowwarrior2635 nah, highly doubt it. Watch the TFL test of the Alfa- built Hornet. It literally massively fails (dash lights up and it cripples itself- massively hilarious) on the wheel slip test. No consumer group recommends FCA/Stellantis product.
@@olikat8that was a pre production car and it had only some small problems that every pre production car has
@dennisdragomirescu3824 so they hand those out, full well knowing they're going to be put on an episode & totally trashed? Smart people running that place.
Alfa has been making that vehicle for a while. All this is? A re-skin & badging.the chassis & powertrain should've been sorted out. But let's face it- Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, and "Mopar" are just brands owned by a Franco-Italian conglomerate that, between them, haven't made durable, reliable vehicle in how many decades?
I've commented on other videos that I hope Jeep puts this in the Wrangler. Some say it won't fit...but it looks like it can.
Is a subscription needed to use the car lock device? Can I use the app and get the notifications without having a subscription? How much is an average subscription fee?
Goodbye Dodge, no more Hemi, no more business from me. It’s what made Dodge so unique. 2 Chargers, 2 Challengers and a Jeep and over 25 years of business and they lost me with getting rid of Hemi and not fighting back, regardless of cost. So much for the free spirit they once had.
Time to switch to Mercedes.
True
I was thinking Chevy tbh
i mean if the sound isnt the same but if dodge decided to put the hurricane into new challengers to make them faster, then id be ok with it.
Me 2, cause a 10 speed mustang beats us every day
So true it's not a V8, but with technology what it is, it's not surprising that Dodge was working on a inline 6
powerhouse. Just look at the Ram 3500 with the Diesel side with the Cummins 6.7l inline 6 motor and what
they are doing with that. The old inline 6 motor were always capable they just were not efficient but always
had the low end torque. But with technology, overhead cam, twin turbos, making them more capable that
than the N.A. V8's. Great topic and video bud!
The question is will it outlast the Hemi V8?
Ahh had me sold till I seen it has a button shifter hate those gotta have a stick shifter even in a automatic jmop
I'd love to see this engine in a Charger or next gen Challenger. I bet it'd be much faster than a Scat Pack and certainly faster than the 5.7.
It’s going to smoke it. what the hell are you talking about? I own the 3.6, the 5.7 and a 392 and my 3.6 is just as fast as my 5.7. The 5.7 is a joke.
@@williamrose7184well if you knew your history you would know the 5.7 is a truck motor from 2003. It’s old it definitely ain’t slow. Damn car weighs 4000 plus slap that in a Honda or fox body that motor will fly.
This motor is going to be great in the Grand Cherokee!
Can't wait to see it in the RAM brand
Alil bit of gas?! You floored that brotha! 😝 9:37
Probably 50% throttle 👍