The Floor Plan, Bonus Video - Acorn to Arabella: Journey of a Wooden Boat
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2021
- A big reveal here: We have a close look, side by side, of Steve's plan for Arabella's interior laid alongside Atkins's fairly general layout he envisioned would fit the needs of most cruisers about a hundred years ago. This conversation between Steve and Satchel, our marine architect and sailor friend who has been consulting with us, covers a lot of smart questions about the sort of voyaging Arabella will do.
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Acorn to Arabella is a boat building project taking place in Granby, Massachusetts. Steve and Alix started as amateur boat builders building their own 38' wooden boat in their backyard: designer William Atkin's Ingrid with a Stormy Petrel's gaff rig. These videos follow the journey from tree felling, to lumber milling, to lofting, to the lead keel pour and beyond-sharing details of the woodworking, carpentry, metal smithing, tool building, and tool maintenance that wooden boats command. This ultimate DIY project will continue well past launch, when they will travel and learn to cruise aboard the boat that they've built. Just kidding about all that, this channel is about a Siberian Laika named Akiva.
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A few thoughts on your arrangement from a retired naval architect. Try to place the galley sink in a position that puts it close to centerline, this helps with drainage on either tack and maintaining water in the sink when heeled. Consider rotating the chart table 90 degrees so that you are seated facing forward, this makes more of a navigation center rather than a chart table; you can also make the quarter berth (pilot berth) the seat or step up to enter the quarter berth.
Interesting nautical trivia, the galley is traditionally to port, as if caught in a big blow you'd typically heave to on starboard tack to keep sea rights over vessels on port. Cooking with the galley on the leeward side is easier and safer as it's below you not above :)
"You know people have gotten taller since like the 1930's right?" "Yeah but I haven't" LOL the way Steve said that for some reason it's the funniest thing I've heard in days.
I am in the last stages of building out the interior on my cabin cruiser. Here are a few things I've learned. First off, build with the idea of accessibility to areas you will occasionally need to get into. Secondly, I spent far too long trying to get every detail worked out , delaying the build by a couple of years. In the end, I decided to build the basic needs and use some initial cruising time to work out final details. So work out what you will need for the first few years while you get used to the space, then add the rest later.
Prepare for a lot of time to outfit the interior. Believe me, it's taken me twice as long to fit out the interior as it took to build the hull.
Mock up everything you can. You can get 4 by 8 sheets of poster board and they are very useful for blocking off areas to get a better feel for space usage. Everything that can be used for more than one thing aids in maximizing space. Spend a lot of time (and I mean a LOT of time) in the thinking chair and ponder your mock ups. Make lists of all the equipment and usages you plan on and consider what that means in terms of your boat interior and layout.
Look at a lot of other boats to get ideas.
I can't stress this enough, take the time to think about this thoroughly. But also try to build in such a way that the basic needs are met initially and the final details can be added when you have a better idea of how living on the boat will be.
I thoroughly enjoy your channel and have been watching since the beginning. Yours, Leo's and other builds are what I use to keep myself motivated on those days when I don't feel like working on the boat. Thanks and good luck. Looking forward to a successful completion and launch.
Thanks for watching, and best of luck with your boat. Let us know when you launch it, ok!
Wow two episodes I'm feeling spoilt! Thanks guys hi from Australia 🇦🇺
I liked Satchels thoughts about the gear bags, they don't need to be front and center while sailing. That space is prime real-estate use it wisely. I also liked Steve's observation about having a two person bed, it's just practical. Thanks for this bonus guys, I honestly love stuff like this, to me it's like playing Tetris with your "practical's" and "matter of facts". I've designed layouts for a few gutted trailers in my time and they turned out far more efficient that the original designers and manufacturers' plans, it was like they hadn't even tried at all. How cool to be able to plan your boat layout. My one question would be how weight distribution will be effected by the changes. I know it was a binding consideration when I was doing those trailers. Thanks again this was great! :)
Satchel: “People have gotten a lot taller since Atkins’ days…”
Steve: “I haven’t!!”
LOL :)
If you have not already done so, I warmly recommend looking at a few videos from “Sailing Uma” - they have lived on their (much smaller) boat for several years now and refined the layout until it maximised the space and utility - and they have had more people live aboard too. One thing they are glad to have gotten rid of is the central table. It took up too much space and dominated the room. Instead they have a table by the side and another surface that can be folded down to entertain larger groups.
When i was looking at William Atkin's WADER 26.8 I also realized the thought that maybe people got taller in 90 years and wondered if modifications might be in order. also the need to rethink many aspects of a boat designed in hard wood and now most likely you building with pine also means heavier frames and other aspects might change. But building for an inboard will have to wait until i have done one or two others less complicated outboard boats.
Yep, Kika and Dan, being architects from the start did a marvelous, efficient floor plant. Not mentionning the genius electronics upgrades. All by "Not buying a couch" ! 🤣🤣
Real nice discussion of layout ideas and good to bring someone in that has "been there, done that". Him thinking about storing the pack-out bags elsewhere and where to store trash are some things the average person or non sailor might not consider. Great video discussion. Thanks for sharing it with us.
I hate to throw my opinion into the mix, but I really want you to enjoy cruising as well as the adventures.
After sailing on a small boat halfway around the world and interacting with a lot of people on different designs, I second the people who suggest not having the head clogging up the middle of the cabin. Unless feeling like a rabbit warren is worth the trade-off for separate compartments, I'd either go with the head further forward like the original design, or aft of the galley, moving the galley forward a little and the wood stove to the opposite side.
If also seriously look at how many kilowatts that stove produces. Some of our cruising buddies heated much larger boats with what seemed like ridiculously small stoves. Boats don't have much volume to heat up!
Whatever you choose to do I look forward to seeing how it goes! Your videos are awesome and make me think we should go sailing again when we retire.
I think Satchel's idea to put the adventure bags out of the main cabin is good, either forepeak or lazarette would be better
Certainly makes more sense, I used to store my tent and camping gear in the garage , it would have been in the way if it was in my living room. If something is seldom used it needs to be stored out of the way.
Placing the head on the side of the stove would allow for a straighter "corridor" on the opposite side and easier access fore-aft.
I lived aboard for 10 years. Visual "space" in a small interior is very important. If you are cruising most of the time not so much but on the hook or dockside living the less obstructions the better. I'd rethink the center location of the head. You are giving it the most of your volume for the lest used compartment on the boat. You'd do better to place the head aft and to port aft of the galley and have it double as a wet locker.
What do you think about wet and dry storage for the sails?
@@michaelvangundy226 If the sails are wet when returning to dock leave them up to dry and then furl them on the boom and in the case of jibs bag them. Sail covers help keep them clean. Today's sails really don't have to worry much about rot but a good airing is still good. Sails taken below should be dried before being bagged and stored.
the channel sailife has a rebuilt his interior with a head dominating the main saloon but they have chosen a layout for max comfort for a couple.tbh he should have more subs ruclips.net/video/QKMunb-hmw0/видео.html
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Thanks. I'm a gas powered guy. I knew that there was maintenance. These guys are talking about long trips and offshore cruising. Sounds like work.
Thinking about what I just said. It might be a good idea to get some cardboard like from refrigerator boxes and make a mock up of the head and put in place and live with a for about a week as you try and work around it. This might work on a charter boats but I'm in doubt about it as a sailing live aboard.
It is a good idea to work out in advance a detailed inventory of all the equipment, tools and belongings you will be using on board and allocate the storage space available and make certain you know where and how you are going to store it all. You don't want surprises later which could have been foreseen and which make life on board less comfortable.
Excellent, thanks for the bonus video. Some very seemingly knowledgable comments. Thanks for sharing.
I love the looks of that wood on the interior. Amazing job guys.
Decisions about living space and operational fengshue. Definitely worth revisiting many times.
Imagining the future where you drag your adventure equipment up on to the deck and just climb a wall from the boat and strait up over the water. Would be so cool. This boat really is going to have some stories to tell.
I can't agree more. princess bride style. you'll be able to access all kinds of places noone would ever think to climb, plus if someone stays on the dinghy and moves it, you could free climb some places with minimal risk and a short swim. are there any particular destinations you have on a list?
Love these build videos. Oh, the stars your going to see when you’re asea . You’ll see the very best view of our galaxy…and, to a certain extent , beyond. I’m green with envy.
Thanks for posting and sharing. Interesting conversation.
Steve, I strongly recommend mocking up the interior and living in it a month or more.
Then adjust the mockup based on what annoys you.
The video series of that would be pretty funny at any rate. The part where we're living in a cardboard world in an unfinished hull, specifically. Could do it up like some kind of reality show. CARDBOARD CRUISER. Thanks for watching!
Funny as this idea may sound, I think it's a great idea (only then with some materials slightly more durable than cardboard maybe). Simulating things in one's head is fine and all, but nothing beats a realistic mockup when it comes to verifying what reality will be like.
Awkward as this idea may seem it is very useful to deal with the issues of living in a small, often wet, almost alway heeling space. By your own admission you have no sailing experience so an opportunity to walk the walk prior to building the whole interior.
@@AcornToArabella doesn't have to be in the hull, could be in the house.
When designing the Virginia class subs, the Navy left an 18" passageway clear. That's really tight for a warship. You're planning on living onboard and cruising around adventuring. *Make your home comfortable!* I'd recommend a 24" wide clear passageway from the V-berth all the way aft to the ladder. Doesn't have to be a straight shot, can have a zigzag in it. But that zigzag needs to always be 24" wide.
Do you remember the Voyager airplane? Flew around the world on one tank of gas in the 1980s? The pilots said they wished they had gone with a 3" wider cabin and would never fly that plane again. That was after a week or 10 days living and flying in the bird.
@@AcornToArabella I would watch that for sure !!
The best advice I see in these comments - go sailing for a month or 2. Call it a working vacation. Get a feel for life aboard a boat at sea and at anchor.
Yes. Living on a moving boat in 8 to 10 foot seas and 25 mph winds is very diffetent from visualizing, paper drawings, walk thru's and or cardboard mockups. The boat will pitch and roll tremendously.
"Tons and tons of room." Said everyone looking at a studio apartment.
Dear Arabellas acorns.
👍👌👏 Soooo great to have all the magnificent items/stuff from Victoria. You did very well while assembling the rotten boat.
Nevertheless: It was a mistake to lower down Arabellas ceiling. Maybe even your children will be taller than you.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health to all involved people.
I like Steve's reconfiguration of the interior.
You can cut a slot in the hull, port side in the fore peak and add a platform. Bolt down a king-side bed to the platform, then hot glue a shower rail to the deck, directly above the bed, then attach a shower curtain, which drapes down over the bed. This way, the bed is outside the boat, saving space. The shower curtain keeps things dry in a storm. You can open the curtain when it’s sunny, or if you want to see the stars. It’s also handy when you take on a shipment of bootleg Crocs when doing a smuggling run. One added bonus is interchangeable shower curtains. A Skull and Crossbones one when you want to install fear in boats you are chasing and a nautical theme (starfish, life buoy, and squid) to calm any attacking Kraken. But you have probably already thought of this as it’s so obvious.
You win a cookie. This is the best comment here.
@@AcornToArabella I am honoured. I sent Annie B a nice joke to consider. I hope you found that worthy too!
One of my favs so far!
Lovely video. Really enjoyed the thorough walkthru
I’d suggest you spend some time going and looking at as many tried and tested blue water boats as you can, talk to the owners that have done the sea miles.
Great bonus video, thanks.
Morning Guys, two videos today you are spoiling us!!!
Never overestimate the amount of space all of our "necessary" crap takes up! Sails, chain, spare anchors, food, medical supplies, tools, safety gear....Go look at similar size boats. I know you are minimalists, so am I, but I still completely underestimated the storage capacity. You guys ROCK!!
Thanks for watching!
Excellent stuff bro
I do love the construction and the woodworking but as an engineer this bit of real advanced problem solving really was good stuff , and you were smart enough to bring in somebody who actually had the right experience to help you! Well done!
The space of socialization below deck usually has a close relationship to the cockpit. Plans as now being considered lack this.
Thanks for the bonus content, this is exactly the way I have planned the boats that I have fitted out, you just can't beat a mock up to give you the feel of how the design will work. Have you ever read any of Bill Tilman's books? He was an explorer, sailor and mountaineer who sailed and climbed all over the world. For some time he was based in my old home port of Lymington, England, a friend who crewed on one voyage into the arctic said the old Bristol Channel pilot cutter was leaking so badly on the run back from Greenland that they were manning the manual bilge pump 24 hours a day.
Suggestion: switch the stove with the head so you have a straight shot between the steps and the fore-peak door.
Agreed on changing the table to a fold down mounted on the bulkbhead. Built mine to have plate storage behind when folded up
As both a climber and adventurer with an inventory of land gear, as well as sailor and waterman, I may have some insight to gear storage. First and foremost is to keep all items in smallish ditty bags and out of larger bags. This allows for more gear storage options. Those haul bags should be rolled and vacuum sealed until it’s go time. Same goes with things like sleeping pads, and cold weather clothing you will not be using while sailing. As far as location, it depends on the frequency of use. If you won’t be roping up for months, store deep into the forepeak somewhere ahead of forward bulkhead. Also I would advocate to sealing all cams, stoppers, pins…all steel parts in a dry bag with a coating ot T9. Climbing gear is way more temperamental to salt air than most other things on the boat. OR makes some nice lightweight dry ditty bags, which is what I use for mast climbing gear and applies to big wall and alpine as well. In terms of layout, I have a berth plan that does everything you need minus quarter berth. The pilot berth is starboard high side. Double berth is made from pilot berth cushion and joins port setee berth. Also have the forward double berth. You need two double berths. One cozy for cool temps and the other more open air for humid and warm climates. Hit me up if you want a facetime tour of my setup.
Thanks for weighing in and for watching.
Good to hear the conversation and input, all good stuff.
For what it’s worth, I’ll say try to keep the stuff stored in the ends lightweight and concentrate the heavy stuff low and as close to pitch centre as you can.
It makes a big difference to how sea kindly she’ll be, how she reacts to steering input and how much you can power her up in a sea without burying her repeatedly, which is miserable.
She’s coming along so well. Huge respect to you all.
😎👍🍻
Woho! Bonus episode!
My 2 cents on this (after 10+ years liveaboard cruising, 8 of that in a similar sized ship) is that you won't want to use the v berth at sea, it is possible to keep the salon dry at sea if you have a good dodger, and ideally cockpit splash cloths, and if possible a Bimini that you don't have to take down. As for double berths - even if you could make a slightly bigger berth I think you and your partner would still prefer separate berths in hot climates, I certainly find so, although I'm 5'11" and 190lbs. I have a large single berth in the salon and she and our daughter use the v berth, although we'll eventually set up a quarter berth for our daughter.
Definitely go for stainless water tanks! Worth it in the long run.
How old is your daughter SV Chinsel? We are thinking about going cruising with our 9-year-old daughter. We have concerns about schooling and her social life.
@@graham6229 The fact that I'm watching RUclips would suggest I have. Have you never asked someone a question who has experience in the area you're researching or do you Google absolutely everything?
@@graham6229 WOW!!!
@@graham6229 You were the rude one here.
@@graham6229 how do you get the internet in the middle of the ocean?
Wow! Two videos in one day! We are in luck!
Great imagination Guys. Can't wait to see it materialize.
Great vid !
Have a the floor for the pilot bed go across from side to side and hatch above the motor. You can store the adventure bags on ether side with the nets holding them back against the hole.
If you add a split behind the motor you can have two berths there, one each side
Make the bed up front a foldable down. So you can have the walkway for forward hatch when needed. It can slide out from underneath the side bed, or fold over etc. And could always just put filters into a chest and put a light that turns on automatically when open door.
You are going to get a ton of opinions on this episode. My two cents worth. I have owned a Cape Dory 36 for 16 years and of course I am very biased. A very traditional and compact design (Alberg) compared to most other modern boats. Narrow in the beam and not so tall. Most of your thoughts are embodied in his designs. I think he did everything just about right for a cruising boat. A very good melding of old and new. Although it is a beautiful piece of furniture, that saloon table seems huge for that size of boat. And although also beautiful, the wood stove in addition to a modern cook stove takes up extra space. You guys are doing a fantastic job. Best of luck. Cheers.
Film spot 21:12..finding another spot for hanging BD gear bags will payoff ..they take up valuable space that will be functional-beautiful & not painful to view..those bags are too utilitarian to hang anywhere near that winged antique solon table
The ability to feel the wide-open space of the interior may be compromised by moving the head mid-ship. We have owned several RVs designed to maximize space in a small area. Some just don't feel right after seeing it played out in full size. Hit an RV sales lot and see just how much room is used in accomodating the minimum space. It's not a boat but we have seen some Dinnet tables the size of a children's tea time playset. Not suitable for adults. And the not so obvious, a toilet with no sideways room for movement You can poop but you're not going to be able to wipe unless your arms are 8 feet long. Dimensions and size regardless of layout need to be realized before a layout plan can be successful..
Excellent suggestion!
Instead of having a chart table and a tiny workbench on opposite sides of the head, if you kept them adjacent to each other you could have a larger single work surface.
I could agree with what some people already said.keep the center of the boat Clean.
Not quick actions on this one, read the comments, find some modern layouts and compare them with your plan.take advantage of every inch of space and the shape of the boat.
Keep up the good work guys!!
There are a lot of personal decisions being made, that's for sure. Your boat would be "clean," another owner would have theirs "cozy," Steve wants his ready to "eff off for three months without seeing other humans." RUclips is gonna RUclips with helpful recommendations, sharing personal stories, and abject opinion. At the end of the day, this boat isn't being built by popular vote, but rather, we're sharing just one way of going about something. We're glad you're watching, thanks for the kind words! Happy Friday!
@@AcornToArabella Think you missunderstood my comment.
Im not talking about following "my way" or "nobodys way" of doing this.at the end it is your boat and it is your time that is being spent on there.No way of public vote on this.its clearly up to you.
Im watching you from the begining of this built and Steve's character is a bit strong-willed.Thats why i suggested not to hurry on this and look at some others ideas too.
Bro, the wood stove is superfluous. Save that space!
Great ideas
Pipe bunk, preferably in one of the quarters, best night's (day's) sleep on a boat of this size underway. Don't worry about a cozy double, as has been said below, more trouble than they are worth - have a V Berth in the forepeak with a fill in piece if you want to make your very own 'Love Hutch'.
And, don't think that one person moving about in a boat of this size isn't going to wake everyone else up, unless that person's name is Tinkerbell.
Pilot berth immediately connected to the nav station seat is a really good use of space, easy to slide into and easy to get an update from the navigator without getting him/her out of bed.
Hi Steve, reading through the comments, and being an old sailor with decades of cruising, I agree with the other commenters: 1) the head forward will open up the space, 2) I like the table from the old boat, but it's too big for that small space. I'd suggest a fold down table to open up the space.
One of the things about having the galley stove right by the companionway is ventilation. Cooking smells, steam, etc - if it's cold or bad weather, then the hatch has to be shut, but a lot of the time, especially when it's hot, it's good to have the hatch open and vent the galley.
Living in close quarters with a "significant other" on a small boat for years? In a week I would be wishing for separate berths, on separate boats, on separate oceans.
I like the ideas in the new interior layout. Seems to be a lot of weight on the one side. 2 in the double berth, the single birth behind that and then the 2 stoves.
Can be countered with tanks and batteries.
Berths are sorta wide, and you have the most width up high. So perhaps have the berths as high as possible and that leaves the widest possible walkway between. And I definitely agree with Satchel's suggestion to move the climbing gear - why store stuff that only gets used occasionally in a prime position? Think about how often stuff gets used, and how quickly you'll want to reach each item, then plan the storage location for it. Actually, no matter what you decide you'll learn to live with it.
Off shore trash storage got much easier once we got a manual compacter. Volume was reduced to half or one third, flattened, washed cans went into a box in the wet locker and paper, cardboard and dry food waste went into the 'masher'. Ours was the same size as the bin we had been using, so it didn't take up any more room...
Cool, thanks for the tip and for watching.
Hey Steve, Love your project and continued motivation to "get it done!" I greatly appreciate your efforts (and love of carpentry) to bring the beautiful Mahogany items into Arabella...kudos! But loose the wood stove. Unless you are going to confine your cruising to north of Latitude38', that lump of iron takes up way too much space and trying to carry the "organic matter" to fuel it will become a royal pain. Also, I strongly agree that sleeping in single racks is the only way to live the "cruising life". I was born and raised in the tropics, have 40k ocean miles, and decades of cruising under my keel. Having the head as far aft as possible (doubling as a wet locker), and providing a pilot berth are a must. Chart/Nav stations are over rated. Spread charts on the saloon table...enjoy sharing the planning, plotting, and navigating...who cares if they get dog eared and wine stained. LOL. Keep up the excellent work and I'll stop into visit next time I'm in the NorthEast. ;-)
I am not a sailor by any means but ever since I first saw it, I have been very uneasy about a wood stove on a wood boat. :-)
Check out the windjammer fleet out of Maine. Lots of woodstoves aboard, with passengers, all summer, everyday. And that’s just an easy-to-find example of many. As far as high latitude cruising, that’s the plan, so we’re good! Thanks for watching.
Stephen, take a suggestion from an old Coast Guard navigator (Radarman, and yes I performed chart maintenance. Buoy's move and charts have to be updated to accommodate the movement.).: Get a thick clear sheet of plastic to put your operating chart under since your navigation table is directly under the hatchway. This will keep your chart available to look at but it will also keep it dry when the crew are going in and out of the hatchway during inclement weather or heavy seas. Also note: You'll need to learn the "international rules of the road" for navigation. I really like rule number 1. Rule number 1 states that "In an emergency the rules of the road do not apply." (At least that was what it said back in the 1970's.)
Old USN sailor here, iirc Rule 1 has been updated to say "In an emergency, do whatever it takes to save the ship."
I always liked "Right of Way does not equal Right of Weight".
@@honorharrington4546 yeah, those big merchant ships can't maneuver worth a damn. Take at least as long as a train to stop, sometimes more, and have a turning circle the size of Utah.
They were rather jealous of what a sub could do, and I was on a missile sub. 19ktons of steel with enough horsepower _to stop in it's own length_ with an all back emergency bell.
And eerily silent at 10 knots on the surface.
The center location of the head gives you a much greater sense of room in the central cabin, which is very important, living onboard a boat, so I would reconsider the position of the head. Instead of rail-bunks you could consider hammocks made out of sailing cloth, which was what was used on the old sailing scooners (and other ships). They are really comfortable, hanging
longitudinal in the boat, secure in high sea and easy to store.
Exciting Stuff! cheers...rr
I like your layout, I might think about mirror reverse the settee and forward (everything in front of thw stove and the head). This would give you a straight walkthru. All best. Good stuff.
You could move the head on the other side (swap woith the wood stove), so you get a straight pathway: in front of the head, along the table and into the front part (along the double berth).
Twice the fun today 🎉
It's shrinking!
Last time I was at sea I don't remember seeing a lot of forested ocean surfaces. Firewood is bulky and not energy dense because of the air between the sticks of wood. Also bringing wood on to the boat guarantee you will have bugs. Bugs will damage your stores and equipment. Any other energy source would be better.
Absolutely. Look at Skip Novacs boats, they have coal fired heaters, much smaller than yours and in 70ft boats
That little stove will make good use of wood that can be collected pretty much anywhere you might be adventuring. The bugs are real, though - we had a load of wood delivered last year that came with free wood-boring grubs… they made a disconcertingly loud chewing noise when they warmed up at night next to the fire. I didn’t like the idea in my timber-framed house, and I definitely wouldn’t like it it my house was floating in the water.
Not sure how efficient their stove is but something like a cubic mini will burn solid fuels. There are also pellets and other types of post-processed wood fuels. I’d probably create a well ventilated wood fuel storage area using a tightly woven mesh bag to contain any vermin. Most bugs come into boats via groceries, fruits and veggies, cardboard boxes, and behind paper labels on cans.
I would put the engine midships under the table (we had this on a X102). So you have the rear end clear for 2 berths. Access via pantry. Put the companionway in the middle and the head starboard near the ladder. Today you do not need a nav station, so forget that. And for the old oven - use it as the main oven (I would do that) or throw it over board. Classic layout for the salon with pilot berths on the sides. At the bow as you planned, double berth at port. Ready to go.
Great 👍
It looks like you are going to have a bunch of room in the port aft quarter, this could be a full depth locker accessible from a cockpit hatch to hang extra lines, fenders, and sails, if you build an actual solid locker you could hang filters exhaust loop etc, on it. I love Victoria's saloon table but it doesn't look like it is gimballed, not a huge deal as eating underway does not often utilize the table, but is there storage for utensils in it? Very handy and a good use of space. That said, modifying the table to fold up would be a really great idea. I am very familiar with the "scooching" to maneuver around the table at dinner.
Chain locker? Maybe test fit stuff with the cockpit mock-up in place before you finish the pilot berth design
Put the chart table/nav station on the side of the bathroom. Easier to get to the pilot berth, easier to face the bow in rough weather than to face starboard. Putting the nav seat on an arm that swings out of the way will give more room at the foot of the ladder.
Additional thought. You might (if you don’t already) look at Alluring Arctic early videos. Episode 5 he does an in-depth analysis of heating his boat - on which he lives all year round north of the arctic circle
Diesel fuel tank, propane tank, cooking wood storage locker, sail locker, line locker. Thanks for the video. Jon
It seems a bit risky making these decisions without much experience with what life aboard a boat like this is actually like. It's one thing being told that you need to take into consideration freezing cold and suffocating hot temperatures, sea spray, rain, and soaking wet sails and rain gear. Trying to cook, go to the toilet or sleep while the boat is pitching, rolling and heeling in heavy sea. My experience is with modern and slightly larger regatta-oriented boats, so my sense of space is quite different, I don't have much to add there. But if I were to design an entirely new interior in a classic wooden boat I'd make sure to have at least a few weeks worth of experience, winter and summer, in varying weather, before I made any final decisions.
The things people need to voyage, whether it’s sailing or backpacking, is not a mysterious thing. We learn from others, from books, by visiting a few boats at the WoodenBoat show, by having generous and knowledgeable friends like Satchel. We’ve been at this for a while. So glad you’re watching.
What about a freezer, dry goods storage,
Greetings everyone, hope your weekend goes well.
Happy Friday, Warren!
Its lovely, but lose the wood stove. It will need a large amount of wood storage and once its running, it will generate a huge amount of heat in a small space. Maybe try running it for a while to test wood consumption?
Also big Carbon Monoxide issue, oils need a thorough draft!
Also clearance to combustibles is an issue fore the wood stove.
Agreed. I don't recall the episode when they discussed getting it and how they plan to use it, but does not seem like a practical solution.
@@paulslevinsky580 I agree that it depends on where and how they plan to use the boat. The problem when space is limited is how to best exploit it. End of the day, their boat, their adventure, we are just voyeurs, if that is what they want to use then I'm good with it.
Keep in mind you wood stove skeptics, these decisions are based upon decades if experience living in hostile winter conditions...& by a team of boat builders who've been pouring over these decisions . I dwell over similar choices daily as a truck camper home-boy. Though I selected a TinyTot stove..coal or wood burning, very recently quite by accident, my large size Aladden lamp supplies a delightful quick, easy going snug heat increase..& this without the delicate woven net like mantle in place. Only the circular wick, & set low. This in a camper van the size of a Sprinter. Got 10 degrees F. in 60 minutes..begining at 40 degrees.. My Tiny & the boys stove style stove burn coal as well & a little coal goes a long ways & stores away handedly. --canyon with camper Tug
Anchor chain locker under the Double berth just forward of the Mast, keep the weight out of the bow, channel down from deck head.
Yep, via a tube, like the excellent Garcia Explorer yachts.
Small consideration... you might think about putting the galley sink just to the left of the companion ladder. 1. it’s nice to be able to reach quickly and easily while underway. 2. Being closer to the centerline it will drain on either tack. If it is against the port side it will not drain while on a starboard tack.
nice safety crocs
What about Concordia pull down berths that double as backrests when folded out of the way? Also, where is the wet locker for when you come in out of the rain? Love your videos!
are you building new companionway stairs? why? those are beautiful.
An interesting fact about people being taller today than in earlier times comes from historians who found a set of intact sailor's uniforms from Napoleon's time (1803). They wanted to put them on reenactors but they couldn't find anyone at all who could fit them and they ended up getting a Boy Scout troupe to wear them for pictures because they were smaller.
Yeah, stow the haul out bags out of sight. You won't need that gear underway.
When your docked wont you need black and gray water tanks or some sort of hook ups to connect to public utilities??
Are you going to have the V-berth bed on a platform? If so, maybe you can have a storage locker partly in the front bilge where you can out the haul bags.
What I did with my last two RVs is rising the floor everywhere I didn't have to stand up, so there were two steps up to the settee (three to the aft berth with the settee being the third one - just to illustrate the concept with words), and the table was high enough to function as a bar (elbow-hight when standing besides it) from the non-settee sides, which works well with handles above to lift Yourself enough to slide in and out without using Your knees. Gave me tremendous amounts of tankage and technical space "underneath" while inside the insulated contour (for RV's it is the non-freezing side, for a boat, well, "the dry side" ;-)
What does work well with that setup would be a table 90°deg to alongside, while that's not really "yottish" I gotta admit. George Bühler does have some floorplans making use of the latter with steps to reach the settees on both sides (fore and aft) of the table - gives him vision axis out the portholes, too, while seated, kind of a poor man's decksaloon).
Arabella will lay classically smooth in rough seas, but it still might be good to have a possibility to cook while sitting - cooking becalmed one of my first matèès when she was getting seasick.
Using up a lot of the cubature without getting all cramped is a real bummer sometimes in terms of building and engineering, but I suppose once the hilariously complicated tanks and storage dividers are all built in underneath You will frolic every day out in Your boat over all that space You have kept free to live in.
What Alden recurrently did (worked on three differently sized Aldens with that concept the last 30 years) with the midships berths: the upper outboard singles were constructed as seaberth with leesails and all, while the backrest of the lower, more amidship layer, the settee, could be lifted, giving You either a twinberth above or opening a queen size reaching to the outer hull "behind" the settee .... which could double up as storage for duffles or provisioning boxes ..... same footprint of the boxes for the seaberth and the "behind-the-backrest"-space would widen the multiple use concept for the different situations (laying on a roadstead for visiting landsites/cities versus passage making versus coastal crusing) even further.
Never mind, just throwing in some thoughts I got while watching .... Cheers and thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
@@AcornToArabella My pleasure!
If you put the companionway in the middle you would have easy access to the stb pilot berth and you might be able to put a second pilot berth on the port side? Put your fuel filter and raw water through hull/ filter beneath the floorboards underneath the companionway ladder? Roto molded fuel and water tanks under the floorboards in the bilges (lots of shapes and sizes already being made by production builders)? Hinge the Pullman berth in the fore peak so you can cant it whilst on port tack?
Socks and crocs. I’m glad I’m not the only one 😃
Good Morning from South Texas Dad always called it 3 foot idios wish he had gotten a 3 foot long boat
As an architect (of the land variety) I don't like the idea of moving the head. The original has a larger "open" space while the new version turns the interior into a maze. I think you will regret the head location for the rest of your time with the boat. Love this series.....look forward to it every weekend. Keep up the good work.
Maybe it’ll get moved someday ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ stuff like that keeps architects employed all the time. We’ll likely never stop tweaking our home. Very few boats go without renovations as people travel. Thanks so much for watching.
About that ladder--I've been following Beau and Brandy on their 35 foot cruiser, and rather than a separate ladder they have a couple of steps on the front of their galley cabinet and a step on top of it, and can just step right over the lip into the cockpit. This could afford more room getting into the pilot berth.
Akiva bed? I see no Akiva Cabin.
First job when I buy a new boat is remove the galley table, Pilot berth or as we call it a Quarter berth each side is a must have, you make them as long as possible like right down to the Lazarette then the unused end becomes storage of occupant when cruising or general storage when voyageing. As captain I always sleep in a Quarterberth when voyaging or when anchored in questionable weather or situation so I can be out and in action quickly.
Getting in and out of the pilot berth on the starboard side may require Gumby-like flexibility. Seems like a port side berth with access through the galley would be significantly easier.
great choice on your stove...have that same model from the 70's...hope you can find a better place for that old wood stove...WE (the bride and I) lived aboard in the Salish for years and got our heat from a Dickison wall mount diesel pot heater with a hotwater coil and artful fans...Important for a couple... underway berths ... we loved our galley table that converted to a big double...and the single wide bench across from it...our sea berths...important to be able to see your mate and be seen...while on watch...hope you make the head at least standup shower size..(tgoodplace for the string bags secured against the hullform)...hope your watertank is going to be bigger than the diesel tank...build both with cleanout access...put a sight glass onto the fuel tank if you cant stick it...make the companionway threshold wide enough for a fat juy seat...most countrys require charts (canada)...best for trip planning...and keeping your DR skills up...keepem in the coach rafters overhead..buy the most tech you can...GPS/radar/sounder/sideband/vhf/cell/wifi...15 years with a 29ft Cascade..still with a 42 Irwin ketch...20th century Fishing/tugs/oilfield...Near coastal Master... Pacific NW...Just a kid from Tolland CT who admires what you are doing...my $.02
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You can't foresee all situations on board so just remember that you can always make changes. That's what sea trials are for, right?