I have read EVERY piece of evidence - I have read EVERY possible thing that the Jury saw- I have read and studied EVERYTHING available to the public and as a smart, educated woman who has studied Law, let me say that ANYONE who thinks either Brendan or Steven belong in jail should be in jail themselves. REGARDLESS of guilt or innocent, they were miserably failed by the justice system. THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE.
I don't feel it's truly possible to have a legitimate discussion of the ethics, procedures and rights that may or may not have been violated in this example until people stop pretending that Steven is factually innocent.
Zellner's brief goes to great length to establish that Sgt. Cohlburn could not have planted the RAV4 due to his schedule. Thats from Zellner herself. So then she alleges that the Ex-boyfriend did it on the evening of the 4th. Problem with that is that it was well established at the first trial that the Ex was at the Halbach's that evening coordinating the next days search and making multiple phone calls while in the company of several witnesses. He is totally alibi'd from roughly 2pm through midnight that day. So now you are left with the defense council finally admitting that the blood did not come from the vial, was Mr. Avery's, from 2005 with no preservative(EDTA) in it, with no Cohlburn or Ex to pin it on. The defense also acknowledges that Mr. Avery was actively bleeding at the time the SUV was placed where it was found in the Avery Salvage Yard. The defense also acknowledges in its brief that Steven did, in fact, have a long lasting fire on the evening of the 31st, and makes no attempt to alibi him that day. I know that "Making a Murderer" made a compelling (albeit misleading and emotion based) case for Steven Avery's innocense, but it is time to do the simple math here. I dont mean to come off as condescending or dismissive, but it just doesnt seem plausible at all for anyone else to have committed this crime. Im sorry.
I happen to live in Mantowac County. Nobody has really noticed Zellners brief. Probably because it has no substance. I get the general impression that the county police dont even care enough to laugh at it, although in the interest of full disclosure, I havent asked any about it. I dont want to waste there time while these country bumpkin cops have escaped cattle reports to tend to....or while they are planning their next multi-teir, CIA level frame job involving dozens of co-conspirators, including private citizens, to get out of a law suit that doesnt directly effect them one bit. Seems legit.
It's unbelievable that judges at the higher level of the American Appellate Court System failed to see the difference between "thinking of " and "remembering" something like shooting someone in the head. I hope & am glad that there are "fair-minded" ppl funding and fighting to correct a profoundly corrupt, criminal injustice system on behalf of Dassey, Avery and all the wrongly convicted.
I literally just said this watching omg I agree. He really did have an agenda going those ridiculous press conferences. It makes me sick. Steve and Brendan did not have a chance. Very sad.
36 million reasons why Kratz and Lenk went after Avery, 36 million no other explantion folks apart from the vindictive attitudes of Lenk when he was questioned about Avery being let out of jail on DNA evidence. He disputes it why. vindictive mind because he has been proved wrong. And he is still wrong and the real killer is still out there. question the ex boy freind for starters
@@peso2239 there are phone calls between him and his mom that have been released. It points to the nephew being told by the cops that they already knew everything, and then they seem to insinuate that his uncle had pointed the finger at him and his older brother. He also says that they gave him the option of 90 years, or maybe 20 years if he "comes clean" to them. If his uncle has already been convicted with no evidence then it's not that far of a stretch to say that he believes his only option is to work with them and get less time. If he had been allowed a lawyer, or parent in these interviews (which should be law for anyone under age) then I do not think they would have gotten any kind of a confession from him.
The case WASN'T proved, it was simply a wrong verdict delivered by a frightened jury. Remember, at the point that Mahler had to leave during deliberations, 7 of the 12 jury members were "not guilty". Only 3 were thinking "guilty". It doesn't help that two members of the jury had connections with the police department/municipality and should have been disqualified from participating. Don't blame the evidence or the defense for the verdict, blame the jury.
cbmtrx blame the jury and the entire justice system from the swine that made the arrest all the way up. Trial should have been held where no one can have connection to any of these horrid people. My god this poor man
Exactly. Are all of these cops and lawyers and judges from the same tainted law school? Too much milk or maybe bad cheese? Amazingly sad display of ignorance across the board. They couldn't even get the framing right. I now see Katz as the symbol of Wisconsin.
A reform that we should definitely fight for is unbiased law enforcement. Officers that have a stake in the outcome of a trial should not be involved in the investigation. There can be no fair outcome ever, because of human manipulation of evidence. #FreeSteveAvery
Jerry is right. Media is a business. Even now, I see repetitive "BREAKING NEWS" of Ukraine associated with photos and clips that I have seen repeatedly over the past week. Sensationalism put forth as immediate fact with lack of background and detailed support, and it is rampant coming from the media outlets that know so little about anything.
Keller: "I don't know if I completely agree with [media bias]..." Bam, interview over. If you don't understand Buting's point, you're not paying attention.
Keller is just a complete moron, and he's not the hero he portrays himself to be here, he was on the stupid media bandwagon at the time. He's as responsible as the rest of them.
I wonder if this case will ever be solved because the judicial system and police will never want to be proven wrong because it would prove that there's fault in their system ??
Even if Steve was guilty the judge should have taken into account that Steve had already spent 18 yrs in side for something he hadn’t done , so allowed parole. But it’s all about keeping Steve inside . All involved in this joke of a police investigation and in the court house should be swapping place with Steve and Brendan .
Many people’s best argument for the evidence in this case being legit is “so many people would have to be in on this conspiracy for him to have been framed”. Actually, not so much. One or two could do this ... and then everyone else needing to be RIGHT, needing to not piss off their bosses, or the public. Not a huge conspiracy, just a few initial “framers” if you will, and a bunch of people pushing their own tiny pieces forward. Resultant case is a giant friggin mess. And major miscarriage of justice.
Im steven averys neighnor and often go to his scrap yard for parts and they are a very nice family but hate all the commotion from people that dont even know the family and make judgements from one documentary. People even sent complaints to tge city to let him free but didnt do any researxh on where to sent it and they wemt to the wrong people.
I thank God that the death penalty wasn't given to both of them & carried out complete miscarriage of justice .I hope both of them are re-leased soon & the real murderer is found & both are exonerated but in reality nothing is going to change they are going to keep innocent men in prison .
@@clvecooledge2407 that's key to me. If this were my daughter/sister I would want the real perp caught. If I were this young ladies mother I would probably want to work with the film makers in finding the truth. If I thought someone could possibly be out their and harm someone else's daughter I would want to know! It seems to me that the family of Teresa wanted Steven convicted. Period. I would feel awful knowing the Avery family is going through this pain. Possibly needlessly.
Great Job fellas, very interesting interview. Aaron Keller if you get the chance to interview Kratz, will you ask the tough questions? Great Job challenging Kratz's feeble lies on Dr. Phil Jerry!
If Bobby Dassey had a hand in her death and knew they were already looking at Steven he would have had the means to dump the bones in the pit. He would have been there the day of her disappearance. He spoke to the time frame of her visit, against avery. Not to mention he went hunting by the quarry where the rest of her remains were found was he not?
Thank God for Kathleen Zellner who is willing to call a spade a spade. I would love to know more about the creeps; Katz, Kachinsky, Fassbender and buddy, Lenk, Colburn, and the rest of the gang. Amazingly sad bunch.
This guy acts like his actions were directly responsible for the outcome of both trials!!! Shuuuuut uuuup! All you did was keep spirits high for people walking out of the courtroom because they could always look forward to seeing that stupid head of hair. This guy is so self important.
As of May 27th where does Zellner go from here? And please can you tell me why the sweat DNA was allowed in the trial? When it doesn't exist? Couldn't you have requested a Frye hearing? And would it be a cause for a retrial since he is still claiming it?
I wonder if they've looked at the gps records of the police like Lenk on the day the car was found and Colbourn when he called in Theresa's vehicle platesdays before that? Or the phone records of the ex boyfriend and brother that both come off like they're hiding something
I feel for the family of the deceased this must be tough my sympathy goes out to them also to the other family. I pray God give them all strength comfort and peace 🙏🙏🙏
Plus you see Brendan looking at the clock dying to get away to do his project he really didn't understand the magnatude of what he was saying what a shame I'm blown away in the UK you have to have at the very least a social worker or parent while u are interviewed by police when under the age of 16.
Even adults with limitations are allowed an appropriate adult to sit in on police questioning. Not necessarily a lawyer but a third party with the best interests of the suspect.
I am from Serbia, i dont know American laws, but here, if you confess something that dont mean anything, police need EVIDENCE. anybody can confess anything but real evidence is needed. i am talking about, ofcorse, about brendan dassey. its such a shame, i cant believe my eyes that this guy is in jail for life
One thing that has me scratching my head is the fact that during the documentary I never once got a full sense of remorse from the defendant (Steven Avery). Not remorse from guilt but sadness for the victim's family. I never saw any indication that he was hurt by what happened to Teresa Halbach. The only time I saw any real emotion from SA was when the sentence was handed to him. His eyes finally swelled up and tears began to show. That's just something that I've been pondering. I'm sure a person in his shoes would be scared shitless but they never really portrayed that in the series. I was left feeling uncertain about the whole case. Felt like a lack of information and facts.
He was fighting for his life. He showed remorse during interviews and such but give him some slack. He know he is about to go back to prison again for something he didn't do!
Why should he! His emotions probs dried up spending 18 years in jail for a crime he did not commit .! Don’t blame the bloke going bk to jail for summet he not done sod her family there in on it
He could only show remorse if he actually DID it! You can't have remorse if you didn't do it! Feeling sympathy is a totally different thing, and maybe that's what you really mean. Nevertheless, I am sure the worry that you may be locked up for life for something you didnt do, would outweigh your sympathy for the victim. That would be entirely natural, imho.
So let me get this straight. Evidence stricken with conflict of interest is allowed, but honest second hand accounts (hearsay) are not. Makes perfect sense to me.
Saturday January 15th 2022 I strongly believe in Steven Avery’s innocence ! After being jailed for 18 years , he knows the ins and outs and since he was released because of DNA 🧬 proving his innocence , he was NOT going to kill this girl chop her up and burn her body and leave the bones and her car with his blood in it , on the Avery property , and he definitely was not going to leave her car keys on his bedroom floor ! Were her car keys dusted for fingerprints is another thing that was not mentioned in the series Making A Murderer ! This screams SET UP ! This screams FRAMED ! Steven Avery must be FREED FROM PRISON ASAP AND COMPENSATED FOR WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT CAUSING EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL DAMAGE ! If it wasn’t the police that set him up then it’s possibly Bobby who did it then called his brother to help Bobby get rid of the evidence and that’s why the 16 yo knew exactly what had happened to her ! They could have set their uncle Steven to take the fall ! Either way whether it was the police or his nephews it all still leads to Steven was framed ! 😔😔😔😢😢😢
El sr es inocente se nota que el estado no quiere recompensar y le armaron el caso para enjuiciarlo, pensé que solo pasaba en Latinoamérica,todos están podridos
I believe if the woman who got involved at the end, she basically proved she was killed on someone else's property and even how her car got their. This lawyer didn't prove nothing, the woman would have beat this case because she was either in on the murder and we know she wasn't but she told u who the killer was and I believe it was the sisters husband
Keller really is using this case to bolster his own journalist career. Ive never heard a journalist mention therselves as many times as Keller even if they have been reporting stories.
Awe ,the media reporter got his feelings hurt but accepted Buting’s apology. It was funny how they both made up about something they were not even mad about.
Why would Colburn call in about a number plate on a missing person's car? Are we to believe the police had not been informed of the number plate of the car they were looking for? A possible explanation is someone found the car and Colburn had arrived and been forced to call in when he already knew it was the car.
Aaron Keller got that "media bias" question thrown right back in his face. "What do you mean by media bias" Ha ha, give me be a break, that's all the case was!!!
I wonder if making a murderer didn't exist, and there was only an hour long show like 20/20 or dateline about this case if people would still feel the same way about Avery? While watching making a murderer and for a while after I finished it I thought he was innocent. Now, after processing everything from the documentary and what I found from doing a little digging I'm not so sure anymore.
Depends on where you dig for information. I can tell you without a doubt that if Kathleen Zelner thought for a hot minute he were guilty she would have NEVER taken the case.
He's actually demonstrating his own bias ... Yes you did the right thing THAT WAS YOUR JOB also because you weren't bias doesn't mean it doesn't exist just say all media matters already lol
Manitowoc screwed up so bad how is Steven and Brendan still in prison? Manitowoc screwed up so bad. Kratz having that press conference should of been a mistrial right there.
I have always said that the united peoples are the ones who decide their own fate, the level of manipulation of those who are called to seek the truth is evident, how is it possible that this happens and the people remain as if nothing had happened. set you free ", Mr. Avery is alone against the system.
I’m sure there was stock photo’s you could’ve used of Steven... without prison gear on! Did you *Ever* ask LE/KK in 1 of their press conference’s, about the involvement of AC & SC ?? No you never!
Does the interviewer Aaron Keller really think Mr. Buting wrote the book to and solely about him? Geez, he could have just wrote him a letter. I think Jerome was referring to the media in general. I know it's a crazy idea, but just saying.
I hold great respect for Mr. Buting. My question that's been haunting me is in regards of the bones/remains..have they ever been verified being Teresa's on the Defense team? I've seen a box but shows no skull that was supposedly had a shot impression.
Wish I had the ability to see their bank statements from the time she went missing to the end of the trial. Were they in financial trouble? Did they make any high dollar home improvements? Vacations? Cars? It would be very interesting. I beleive they were paid not just by the county but by the state to hide evidence and fain mourning. You can see it in the tv interviews when the mom acts like she's crying but hides her face and no tears. The brother on the first day she's missing saying that their mourning could take days, months, or even years. She was only missing at that point. And the only person speaking to the press was the 1 brother. I understand some people are very composed but you don't act like ur crying without tears if your composed. That is a sign of deciept.
I'm really undecided on Steven's guilt. I do think if I was a juror I would have been a not guilty vote because I have a tiny bit of reasonable doubt. Many things don't make sense. The cops who were not supposed to be involved were the ones finding all the evidence. The cop calling in the tag before the car was found is very odd. The key being found in his room. When even a moron would have gotten rid of that. And his nephews confession I don't find credible. But he was the last person as far as what can be proven to see her. But they find no blood anywhere on his property. None of her DNA anywhere in his home or garage. But then puts her car in his backyard and key in his bedroom? Just weird. Just makes you wonder. Could those cops set him up? Could those cops killed that girl? Just crazy.
This is why I print copies of things on my phone. I made copies of things on my old phone that was destroyed. So the truth would be known, because of liars.
Steven Avery is guilty... first time they got it wrong..yes.. but he is guilty of Teresa's murder. why did steven send gerry to get the dassey computer.. shame on gerry cos he knows hes guilty..feel sorry for the halbachs and all the people they accused..
🤣Lololol dude spends the entire interview launching HIMSELF into the spotlight he is supposedly casting on Jerome! This is like on camera interrogatory masturbation for self stimulation.......(interviews Jesus: “sometimes I feel that I’m dying FOR YOUR SINS...” as he nails himself to adjacent mini-cross “kinda feel my dad’s totally forsaken me broooo knowaddimean??!”)
steven may not the smartest lad, but hes not the dumbest, so you think he left her key in his room, and blood in her car, on his property? lol.... come on. police planted it and the ex or the roomate did it
omg can you talk about yourself anymooooore?!?!? it's actually cringe how he takes the "media bias" so friggin personal!!! So glad Buting said "and I'll accept yours" :p boom!! haha
The whole Sheriffs Dept Was identified as having a conflict of interest at the very beginning of the case. That, in itself, should have been the guiding factor as to whether the two officers were authorized to be on the Avery property or involved in any aspect of the investigation. I just hate this case and the fact that so many lives have been destroyed as a result.
I have read EVERY piece of evidence - I have read EVERY possible thing that the Jury saw- I have read and studied EVERYTHING available to the public and as a smart, educated woman who has studied Law, let me say that ANYONE who thinks either Brendan or Steven belong in jail should be in jail themselves. REGARDLESS of guilt or innocent, they were miserably failed by the justice system. THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE.
PurPleXedQT yes thank you free Steven Avery
I don't feel it's truly possible to have a legitimate discussion of the ethics, procedures and rights that may or may not have been violated in this example until people stop pretending that Steven is factually innocent.
Daniel, he is factually innocent though. The only facts that prove otherwise are false
Zellner's brief goes to great length to establish that Sgt. Cohlburn could not have planted the RAV4 due to his schedule. Thats from Zellner herself. So then she alleges that the Ex-boyfriend did it on the evening of the 4th. Problem with that is that it was well established at the first trial that the Ex was at the Halbach's that evening coordinating the next days search and making multiple phone calls while in the company of several witnesses. He is totally alibi'd from roughly 2pm through midnight that day. So now you are left with the defense council finally admitting that the blood did not come from the vial, was Mr. Avery's, from 2005 with no preservative(EDTA) in it, with no Cohlburn or Ex to pin it on. The defense also acknowledges that Mr. Avery was actively bleeding at the time the SUV was placed where it was found in the Avery Salvage Yard. The defense also acknowledges in its brief that Steven did, in fact, have a long lasting fire on the evening of the 31st, and makes no attempt to alibi him that day. I know that "Making a Murderer" made a compelling (albeit misleading and emotion based) case for Steven Avery's innocense, but it is time to do the simple math here. I dont mean to come off as condescending or dismissive, but it just doesnt seem plausible at all for anyone else to have committed this crime. Im sorry.
I happen to live in Mantowac County. Nobody has really noticed Zellners brief. Probably because it has no substance. I get the general impression that the county police dont even care enough to laugh at it, although in the interest of full disclosure, I havent asked any about it. I dont want to waste there time while these country bumpkin cops have escaped cattle reports to tend to....or while they are planning their next multi-teir, CIA level frame job involving dozens of co-conspirators, including private citizens, to get out of a law suit that doesnt directly effect them one bit. Seems legit.
It was nice for Aaron Keller to invite Jerry Buting to watch a show host interview himself and conduct a career self-review.
hahaha i didnt think of it, but now that you say it.. hahhaa yeap
It's unbelievable that judges at the higher level of the American Appellate Court System failed to see the difference between "thinking of " and "remembering" something like shooting someone in the head. I hope & am glad that there are "fair-minded" ppl funding and fighting to correct a profoundly corrupt, criminal injustice system on behalf of Dassey, Avery and all the wrongly convicted.
the cop calling in her tags without having found the car days before it was found.. that was creepy.
James yep that would be Andy Colburn( AC), he’s a piece of work. Top Notch!
“Creepy” or deeply, deeply suspicious?
You can tell Aaron Keller really wanted to interview himself, but he needed Jerry Buting to make it look less obvious. It didn't work.
haha! Love the way you put that. So true.
mattonbass yes he makes a good case for an elite narcissist...he just spins in self orbit around planet keller
I thought the same thing.... exactly the same.
haha touche sir
If you had Aaron Keller's looks -- maybe you do -- you might feel the same way! ;-)
The sad thing about this case is the person who really murdered this poor girl is still out there and has probably murdered someone else .😔😔
“The” sad thing?
@@Zseventyone right...the sad thing is that the poor girl was murdered. But Miriam I understand what you mean..
The sadest thing is 2 innocent men have been in a cage for the past 15 years because of corrupt police and prosecutors.
@@Zseventyone How is a murderer being lose and not being looked for NOT a sad thing?
@@lilvc3469 didn’t say it wasn’t.
The case was won he's in jail because of Kratz press conference that is why he polluted the jury pool should've been moved to another state
I literally just said this watching omg I agree. He really did have an agenda going those ridiculous press conferences. It makes me sick. Steve and Brendan did not have a chance. Very sad.
@@stephaniem6369 my thing is if steven really didn't do why would his younger nephew say they did
36 million reasons why Kratz and Lenk went after Avery, 36 million no other explantion folks apart from the vindictive attitudes of Lenk when he was questioned about Avery being let out of jail on DNA evidence. He disputes it why. vindictive mind because he has been proved wrong.
And he is still wrong and the real killer is still out there. question the ex boy freind for starters
@@peso2239 there are phone calls between him and his mom that have been released. It points to the nephew being told by the cops that they already knew everything, and then they seem to insinuate that his uncle had pointed the finger at him and his older brother. He also says that they gave him the option of 90 years, or maybe 20 years if he "comes clean" to them.
If his uncle has already been convicted with no evidence then it's not that far of a stretch to say that he believes his only option is to work with them and get less time. If he had been allowed a lawyer, or parent in these interviews (which should be law for anyone under age) then I do not think they would have gotten any kind of a confession from him.
I think that alone should have made it a mistral. He didn't stand a chance after that.
The case WASN'T proved, it was simply a wrong verdict delivered by a frightened jury. Remember, at the point that Mahler had to leave during deliberations, 7 of the 12 jury members were "not guilty". Only 3 were thinking "guilty". It doesn't help that two members of the jury had connections with the police department/municipality and should have been disqualified from participating.
Don't blame the evidence or the defense for the verdict, blame the jury.
cbmtrx blame the jury and the entire justice system from the swine that made the arrest all the way up. Trial should have been held where no one can have connection to any of these horrid people. My god this poor man
YES!! I'm so glad you brought up that when Teresa went missing that tv station basically convicted him from jump! The sensationalism made me sick!
I would never set foot on Wisconsin. They might point fingers at me when somebody's home burnt or burglarized... scared myself to death.
Exactly. Are all of these cops and lawyers and judges from the same tainted law school? Too much milk or maybe bad cheese? Amazingly sad display of ignorance across the board. They couldn't even get the framing right. I now see Katz as the symbol of Wisconsin.
A reform that we should definitely fight for is unbiased law enforcement. Officers that have a stake in the outcome of a trial should not be involved in the investigation. There can be no fair outcome ever, because of human manipulation of evidence. #FreeSteveAvery
I would have never guessed Aaron Keller was skeptical of the prosecution or sheriff's dept based off the doc, so this was nice to see.
Ugh....Keller is so self-centered and every question he asks goes back to him talking about himself!
I totally agree- What a pompas ass
Sarah Kratky I disagree. He just wanted to hear himself talk.
Connie Stenuis I agree
Disagree with what?
Wow, we must have watched a different video, because what I saw was someone that was humble and self-effacing.
Drinking Game: Take a shot every time Aaron Keller say's "I".... My God, he makes every topic of conversation all about him directly or indirectly.
Keller, you don't encompass all the media outlets. Don't make Jerry's comments about the "media" about you.
Jerry is right. Media is a business. Even now, I see repetitive "BREAKING NEWS" of Ukraine associated with photos and clips that I have seen repeatedly over the past week. Sensationalism put forth as immediate fact with lack of background and detailed support, and it is rampant coming from the media outlets that know so little about anything.
Keller: "I don't know if I completely agree with [media bias]..."
Bam, interview over. If you don't understand Buting's point, you're not paying attention.
Keller is just a complete moron, and he's not the hero he portrays himself to be here, he was on the stupid media bandwagon at the time. He's as responsible as the rest of them.
@@zwergie256 His hair looks like an armadillo shell
@@lovesilk1 Yes, he's got armadillo hair and IQ.
@@zwergie256 Like Jerry was being interviewed by a college cheerleader or something. Embarrassing.
I wonder if this case will ever be solved because the judicial system and police will never want to be proven wrong because it would prove that there's fault in their system ??
Colborn had to have been looking at the rav somewhere else when he made the call because when it was found it didn't have a license plate on it
Even if Steve was guilty the judge should have taken into account that Steve had already spent 18 yrs in side for something he hadn’t done , so allowed parole.
But it’s all about keeping Steve inside . All involved in this joke of a police investigation and in the court house should be swapping place with Steve and Brendan .
Many people’s best argument for the evidence in this case being legit is “so many people would have to be in on this conspiracy for him to have been framed”. Actually, not so much. One or two could do this ... and then everyone else needing to be RIGHT, needing to not piss off their bosses, or the public. Not a huge conspiracy, just a few initial “framers” if you will, and a bunch of people pushing their own tiny pieces forward. Resultant case is a giant friggin mess. And major miscarriage of justice.
Im steven averys neighnor and often go to his scrap yard for parts and they are a very nice family but hate all the commotion from people that dont even know the family and make judgements from one documentary. People even sent complaints to tge city to let him free but didnt do any researxh on where to sent it and they wemt to the wrong people.
I thank God that the death penalty wasn't given to both of them & carried out complete miscarriage of justice .I hope both of them are re-leased soon & the real murderer is found & both are exonerated but in reality nothing is going to change they are going to keep innocent men in prison .
@@clvecooledge2407 that's key to me. If this were my daughter/sister I would want the real perp caught. If I were this young ladies mother I would probably want to work with the film makers in finding the truth. If I thought someone could possibly be out their and harm someone else's daughter I would want to know! It seems to me that the family of Teresa wanted Steven convicted. Period. I would feel awful knowing the Avery family is going through this pain. Possibly needlessly.
Clve Cooledge there is no death penalty in Wisconsin
Great Job fellas, very interesting interview. Aaron Keller if you get the chance to interview Kratz, will you ask the tough questions? Great Job challenging Kratz's feeble lies on Dr. Phil Jerry!
Teresa Halbach owned a 1999 Mystic Teal Mica Toyota RAV4 and Pam and Nicole Strum found a 1998 Royal Sapphire Pearl Toyota RAV4!
If Bobby Dassey had a hand in her death and knew they were already looking at Steven he would have had the means to dump the bones in the pit. He would have been there the day of her disappearance. He spoke to the time frame of her visit, against avery. Not to mention he went hunting by the quarry where the rest of her remains were found was he not?
MalibuGrialorProductions 😮 where did you get this information? Does Zellner know this?
Thank God for Kathleen Zellner who is willing to call a spade a spade. I would love to know more about the creeps; Katz, Kachinsky, Fassbender and buddy, Lenk, Colburn, and the rest of the gang. Amazingly sad bunch.
The only creep in this bunch is Steven Avery. He is right where he belongs.
This guy acts like his actions were directly responsible for the outcome of both trials!!! Shuuuuut uuuup! All you did was keep spirits high for people walking out of the courtroom because they could always look forward to seeing that stupid head of hair. This guy is so self important.
Absolute immunity for prosecution is the worst cancer in the legal system.
As of May 27th where does Zellner go from here? And please can you tell me why the sweat DNA was allowed in the trial? When it doesn't exist? Couldn't you have requested a Frye hearing? And would it be a cause for a retrial since he is still claiming it?
I wonder if they've looked at the gps records of the police like Lenk on the day the car was found and Colbourn when he called in Theresa's vehicle platesdays before that? Or the phone records of the ex boyfriend and brother that both come off like they're hiding something
spot on
Yes - I wonder - what a good question to ask - wish we could get an answer!
I feel for the family of the deceased this must be tough my sympathy goes out to them also to the other family. I pray God give them all strength comfort and peace 🙏🙏🙏
I’d want to know who murdered my daughter. The evidence is so poor, they MUST have questioned it?
I would love to see the entire trial
Buting and Strang won the case as far as I'm concerned. Any sane, fair jury would have vote not guilty.
Plus you see Brendan looking at the clock dying to get away to do his project he really didn't understand the magnatude of what he was saying what a shame I'm blown away in the UK you have to have at the very least a social worker or parent while u are interviewed by police when under the age of 16.
Even adults with limitations are allowed an appropriate adult to sit in on police questioning. Not necessarily a lawyer but a third party with the best interests of the suspect.
I am from Serbia, i dont know American laws, but here, if you confess something that dont mean anything, police need EVIDENCE. anybody can confess anything but real evidence is needed. i am talking about, ofcorse, about brendan dassey. its such a shame, i cant believe my eyes that this guy is in jail for life
Good point. Why doesn't the defense provide family photos to the press? Good point.
i can say i'm 100% sure of his innocence And everything happened was setup to frame steve and making him murderer.
One thing that has me scratching my head is the fact that during the documentary I never once got a full sense of remorse from the defendant (Steven Avery). Not remorse from guilt but sadness for the victim's family. I never saw any indication that he was hurt by what happened to Teresa Halbach. The only time I saw any real emotion from SA was when the sentence was handed to him. His eyes finally swelled up and tears began to show. That's just something that I've been pondering. I'm sure a person in his shoes would be scared shitless but they never really portrayed that in the series. I was left feeling uncertain about the whole case. Felt like a lack of information and facts.
He was fighting for his life. He showed remorse during interviews and such but give him some slack. He know he is about to go back to prison again for something he didn't do!
MAYJAX He showed more sadness then her entire family ever did!
Why should he! His emotions probs dried up spending 18 years in jail for a crime he did not commit .! Don’t blame the bloke going bk to jail for summet he not done sod her family there in on it
He could only show remorse if he actually DID it! You can't have remorse if you didn't do it! Feeling sympathy is a totally different thing, and maybe that's what you really mean. Nevertheless, I am sure the worry that you may be locked up for life for something you didnt do, would outweigh your sympathy for the victim. That would be entirely natural, imho.
So let me get this straight. Evidence stricken with conflict of interest is allowed, but honest second hand accounts (hearsay) are not. Makes perfect sense to me.
Saturday January 15th 2022
I strongly believe in Steven Avery’s innocence ! After being jailed for 18 years , he knows the ins and outs and since he was released because of DNA 🧬 proving his innocence , he was NOT going to kill this girl chop her up and burn her body and leave the bones and her car with his blood in it , on the Avery property , and he definitely was not going to leave her car keys on his bedroom floor ! Were her car keys dusted for fingerprints is another thing that was not mentioned in the series Making A Murderer !
This screams SET UP ! This screams FRAMED !
Steven Avery must be FREED FROM PRISON ASAP AND COMPENSATED FOR WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT CAUSING EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL DAMAGE ! If it wasn’t the police that set him up then it’s possibly Bobby who did it then called his brother to help Bobby get rid of the evidence and that’s why the 16 yo knew exactly what had happened to her ! They could have set their uncle Steven to take the fall ! Either way whether it was the police or his nephews it all still leads to Steven was framed ! 😔😔😔😢😢😢
I believe Steven's DNA was the ONLY DNA found on the key...how could it be possible that Teresa's wasn't on it too. Stinks of a set up!
Aaron Keller...gross. It's not about you girl
What is Lawn Ewz? Does it come out of the grass after mowing?
Cut finger bleeding
Stabbing and throat cut shot 11 times no bleeding outside car
Wow so hard to work this one out
El sr es inocente se nota que el estado no quiere recompensar y le armaron el caso para enjuiciarlo, pensé que solo pasaba en Latinoamérica,todos están podridos
I believe if the woman who got involved at the end, she basically proved she was killed on someone else's property and even how her car got their. This lawyer didn't prove nothing, the woman would have beat this case because she was either in on the murder and we know she wasn't but she told u who the killer was and I believe it was the sisters husband
There no mention of the Corner Office why was she not mentioned in this interview?
Keller really is using this case to bolster his own journalist career. Ive never heard a journalist mention therselves as many times as Keller even if they have been reporting stories.
Awe ,the media reporter got his feelings hurt but accepted Buting’s apology. It was funny how they both made up about something they were not even mad about.
Why don't jurors, in this Criminal Injustice System, understand the true significance & weight of Reasonable Doubt???
Is there any update? The documentary was in 2015. It’s now 2018. Did people just forget about this!?
Kathleen Zellner is now Stevens lawyer and is working on uncovering evidence to free Steven .
Buting's book, the main topic of this interview, came out in Feb. 2017: www.harpercollins.com/9780062569318/illusion-of-justice/
I’m intrigued by his hairstyle. It looks like it molded from plastic.
Hair notwithstanding- great interview
Aaron Keller why don’t you ask Buting why Avery’s blood was in Theresa’s car?
I love it how he says that the crime is just a snapshot, not a reflection of their entire character.
Melissa Logan I think that was what was meant was, what was being portrayed be the media, that was a ‘snap shot.’
Aaron K, some people don’t have integrity like people like you!
Why would Colburn call in about a number plate on a missing person's car? Are we to believe the police had not been informed of the number plate of the car they were looking for? A possible explanation is someone found the car and Colburn had arrived and been forced to call in when he already knew it was the car.
“Those who are watching who don’t know the story.”?? How many do you think that is?
Nice Job!
Good gawd could you maybe not overdo it with the graphics next time?? Gees!
Aaron Keller got that "media bias" question thrown right back in his face. "What do you mean by media bias" Ha ha, give me be a break, that's all the case was!!!
I wonder if making a murderer didn't exist, and there was only an hour long show like 20/20 or dateline about this case if people would still feel the same way about Avery? While watching making a murderer and for a while after I finished it I thought he was innocent. Now, after processing everything from the documentary and what I found from doing a little digging I'm not so sure anymore.
Depends on where you dig for information.
I can tell you without a doubt that if Kathleen Zelner thought for a hot minute he were guilty she would have NEVER taken the case.
He's actually demonstrating his own bias ... Yes you did the right thing THAT WAS YOUR JOB also because you weren't bias doesn't mean it doesn't exist just say all media matters already lol
Manitowoc screwed up so bad how is Steven and Brendan still in prison? Manitowoc screwed up so bad. Kratz having that press conference should of been a mistrial right there.
I have always said that the united peoples are the ones who decide their own fate, the level of manipulation of those who are called to seek the truth is evident, how is it possible that this happens and the people remain as if nothing had happened. set you free ", Mr. Avery is alone against the system.
Buting is brilliant
I’m sure there was stock photo’s you could’ve used of Steven... without prison gear on!
Did you *Ever* ask LE/KK in 1 of their press conference’s, about the involvement of AC & SC ?? No you never!
Does the interviewer Aaron Keller really think Mr. Buting wrote the book to and solely about him? Geez, he could have just wrote him a letter. I think Jerome was referring to the media in general. I know it's a crazy idea, but just saying.
Very interesting thank you! So who killed this woman - the police or someone else? The victim seems to have been forgotten here....
Steven Avery did.
I wonder what Dean and Jerry think aboit that last comment? Well guys God still loves you and there is always Redemption.
I hold great respect for Mr. Buting. My question that's been haunting me is in regards of the bones/remains..have they ever been verified being Teresa's on the Defense team? I've seen a box but shows no skull that was supposedly had a shot impression.
@Steven H I believe she is alive...the biggest conspiracy. Can't hide things forever, they are sloppy.
@@45coppertop That's interesting. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Highly recommend watching Convicting a Murderer. Steven Avery is guilty as sin.
They are innocent these cops set this up
And you have to know that Tarbach's family must now, in their heart of hearts, be wondering who killed her.
cbmtrx she is not dead,...and part of the conspiracy to save the county, and some piggies 36 million dollars, and jail time!
She is probably in the Bahamas having good ol time!....NOT Dead!
I have to know? I'm not even sure who "Tarbach" is..
They probably dont care , her brother just seemed to want Brendan & Avery jailed regardless of the evidence .
Wish I had the ability to see their bank statements from the time she went missing to the end of the trial. Were they in financial trouble? Did they make any high dollar home improvements? Vacations? Cars? It would be very interesting. I beleive they were paid not just by the county but by the state to hide evidence and fain mourning. You can see it in the tv interviews when the mom acts like she's crying but hides her face and no tears. The brother on the first day she's missing saying that their mourning could take days, months, or even years. She was only missing at that point. And the only person speaking to the press was the 1 brother. I understand some people are very composed but you don't act like ur crying without tears if your composed. That is a sign of deciept.
why didn’t mention the coroner not playing a role in this investigation
Beavis: Do you have any TP for my bunghole? Heh heh hem heh.
Only in America.
They say evidence is the most important thing ,yet all the evidence points to there innocence
This guy must be a part time astronaut with that silver helmet.
Is he 35 or 65??
I love the hair.
I adore u Jerry
I'm really undecided on Steven's guilt. I do think if I was a juror I would have been a not guilty vote because I have a tiny bit of reasonable doubt.
Many things don't make sense. The cops who were not supposed to be involved were the ones finding all the evidence. The cop calling in the tag before the car was found is very odd. The key being found in his room. When even a moron would have gotten rid of that. And his nephews confession I don't find credible.
But he was the last person as far as what can be proven to see her. But they find no blood anywhere on his property. None of her DNA anywhere in his home or garage. But then puts her car in his backyard and key in his bedroom? Just weird.
Just makes you wonder. Could those cops set him up? Could those cops killed that girl? Just crazy.
No pelearon lo suficiente por Steve
Why didn’t this dude just interview himself?
Sure the technology is out there but whatever was on her phone and got deleted answers everything...
This is why I print copies of things on my phone. I made copies of things on my old phone that was destroyed. So the truth would be known, because of liars.
Steven Avery is guilty... first time they got it wrong..yes.. but he is guilty of Teresa's murder. why did steven send gerry to get the dassey computer.. shame on gerry cos he knows hes guilty..feel sorry for the halbachs and all the people they accused..
Guilty
@16.00 this interviewer needs to stop interviewing himself and let jerry talk - grey heair won't shut his trap. let jerry talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't stand this guy and his hair
What about his chin lmao... He's definitely had some plastic surgery since Making a Murderer was filmed, hair implants too.
Tyler Hussin looks like his hat was eaten by his hair. ILLUMINATI!!! Lol...I'm kidding.
🤣Lololol dude spends the entire interview launching HIMSELF into the spotlight he is supposedly casting on Jerome! This is like on camera interrogatory masturbation for self stimulation.......(interviews Jesus: “sometimes I feel that I’m dying FOR YOUR SINS...” as he nails himself to adjacent mini-cross “kinda feel my dad’s totally forsaken me broooo knowaddimean??!”)
This Keller narcissist guy is trying so hard to act smart in front of the camera. No way near Buting
Is that a baseball cap or Keller's hairdo? 🤔
steven may not the smartest lad, but hes not the dumbest, so you think he left her key in his room, and blood in her car, on his property? lol.... come on. police planted it and the ex or the roomate did it
The journalist rates himself
omg can you talk about yourself anymooooore?!?!? it's actually cringe how he takes the "media bias" so friggin personal!!! So glad Buting said "and I'll accept yours" :p boom!! haha
The whole Sheriffs Dept Was identified as having a conflict of interest at the very beginning of the case. That, in itself, should have been the guiding factor as to whether the two officers were authorized to be on the Avery property or involved in any aspect of the investigation. I just hate this case and the fact that so many lives have been destroyed as a result.
Steven avery is a goof ball, it's hard to believe he would be able to physically hurt anyone and seems very unintelligent
Wait till you see his criminal record
His hair gets grayer and grayer everytime I see him which isn't often.
He’s a silver fox😏
You made a lot out of money I think you should put some of it into the saving Avery Business
Avery did it. Aaron is a good looking action toy. Buting got payed good money and then Jumped ship. They know he did it.
This interviewer was literally talking about himself the entire time, like as if he was the main character in this trial... what a lunatic.
That's such a good point - police and prosecutor immunity...is there no justice in the justice system?
U r a problem for Steven Avery. Seriously…..u should say what u contributed to. 😮
His hair omg....typical anchorman hair-cut....but nice interview :)