Versus: Logitech G923 vs MOZA R5
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2023
- You might think it's not that much of a competition. And you are probably right, but there are some reasons to prefer a Logitech G923 above the MOZA R5
00:00:05 Introduction
00:00:25 Design
00:01:27 Technology
00:03:26 Performance ACC
00:04:42 Performance BeamNG
00:05:31 Pricing
00:05:59 Software
00:06:36 Eco-system
00:07:03 Conclusion
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Next up: Lamborghini VS Lada
Fair enough. Lada has better insurance rate, gas consumption en you wont have a heart attack if you see a scratch on the door.😎
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@@SimulatedDrivingResource Forever alone, though! 🤣😂
I am sure there are partners out there that have a fetish for Lada... but I admit, it will be hard to compete 😎
Thanks for another competent comparison. The feeling for competitive approach with R5 is a personal perception probably. From what I know there is the option to use the Ras1ution 2 adapter for using Moza on PlayStation and Switch. For the Xbox it was working but currently seems to have some issue. It adds quite some costs, but in comparison to other licensed direct drive bases (namely GT DD Pro) it is probably still ok. I haven’t personally tested this kind of adapter (hinthint), but still wanted to mention that there are ways.
But as you say: For entering this world of sim driving/racing, a 2nd hand Logitech is a viable option. You will be able to flip it afterwards, and get a big share of your money back. This way you can either exit the topic or upgrade to something different. (For me it was the latter.)
Thank you my friend. And I am sure it is personal. Most of my reviews are just based on how I experience it which is not necessarily how the majority feels it :D And yessssss... I know... I really need to order that but I still have so many things to order 😭
After trying a few direct drive wheelbases, I couldn't make up my mind and I bought the G923 on Black Friday for less than 200€ to use on my PC. It's a great introduction to sim racing and provides a good value at this price point. It does feel like a toy but I can hook it up to my desk in seconds without worrying about my monitors shaking around when I play. Now I can take my time to see what I need for a better experience and so far, it would definitely be a nicer seating solution instead of a better wheelbase, surprisingly! If I get hooked into the hobby I will definitely upgrade to a 12+ Nm direct drive wheel base but that's also at least 5 times the budget of the G923, and a cockpit with better pedals seem to be a better upgrade path so far. Moza R5 felt like a decent upgrade but it was already 3 times more expensive than Logitech and I would need an upgrade later on anyway. I would feel bad spending more and not be 100% happy with the experience. Also the resale possibility seems to be in favor of Logitech thanks to its console compatibility and the brand.
It is the sensible choice you made. For a seat, you can consider a second hand playseat Challenge. They can be had for a good price. Thanks for sharing your experience.
im looking to upgrade from a shitty logitech g29 "calibration issue for no reason edition" wheel and this review helped quite a lot - thank you
Any wheelbase apart from a Thrustmaster T128 will be an upgrade to be fair 🙄 i dont have too much love for the g29
It’s still mind boggling to me that the R5 is considered entry level by most. I’m new to DD wheels but the R5, to me at least, sounds more at home in the lower mid range. Unless DD become the standard for entry level equipment.
Granted, the R5 doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of the higher end Moza wheelbases, but I feel like the new R3 would be a much fairer comparison for the G923, as they both have console compatibility and their torque numbers are closer to each other. Moza’s price point for the R3 also makes me think that the G923 would have slightly more wiggle room to shine.
In all, the presentation was good and it was a good watch. Definitely gives you stuff to think about both models.
In all fairness, its a bit of both. The CSL DD 5 is also considered starter while the CSL DD 8 is considered mid. With the 5.5Nm, the MOZA falls a bit between both but from your POV, I can understand the remark. And yes, the R3 would compare better to the Logitech, but when I read message boards and Facebook, the majority of people changed from Logitech to the R5 and I thought I just made a video about that (and I dont have the R3 so that made it easy too:)). And thank you for the compliment. Much appreciated 💙
So many people complain about the price of a dd system, and yet they spend money on iphones, starbucks, partying, netflix and a new xbox game every other month. Here is the thing. If it's a hobby and if you're a sim racer buy a direct drive and go straight to something in the 10nm range or above with load cell pedals. Save up if necessary but everything else is a waste of money. If you're a gamer who plays arcade titles like gran tourismo and forza, buy the G29 or some other toy, it makes eventually no difference.
ik ben te lui om het in het engels te typen want je bent nederlands haha. ik ben dus aan het kijken over te stappen van de g29 naar een volledig moza ecosysteem. ik had de r12 voor ogen maar uhh... 2.4 nm is al zo sterk? pfoeh...
kan ik om een snel adviesje vragen misschien? het enige wat ik ermee ga spelen zijn euro truck en american truck simulator met dat moza stuur. emergency stop switch komt er sws. welke wheel base kan ik het beste halen?
Truck simulator heeft an sich geen enorme force feedback nodig. Als je karting simulators of nascar rijdt is iets anders. Met het standaard kleine stuurwiel van MOZA is de 5.5Nm van de R5 al genoeg maar als je ooit beslist dat enorme MOZA truckwiel aan te schaffen zou ik voor iets hoger gaan. R9 zou dit wel moeten kunnen trekken. In het algemeen raad ik een kracht tussen 8 en 10Nm aan als upgrade van een Starterbase zoals de G29. 12 is zeker OK, maar imo overkill voor jouw doeleinden. Je krijgt detail en kracht genoeg met lager ook.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource heyy dankjewel voor de super snelle reactie! Ik ga er zeker nog een keertje naar kijken. Voorlopig is het toch nog een spaardoel en een uitkijkje op wat leuks voor mezelf.
Eventjes ter verduidelijking voor mezelf... De g29 heeft dus 2.4 nm? Dus de r9 is dus meer dan 3* zo sterk? Is dat hoe dat werkt?
@@gerwinklop9486 klopt, theoretisch gezien kan de motor in de R9 3x zoveel kracht genereren als de g29. In de praktijk ga je dit echter niet (altijd) voelen. Meeste mensen gebruiken niet de volledige kracht van de wheelbase constant. Het verschil wordt gewoon duidelijk als je bvb op een oneffen weg rijdt. Terwijl de g29 je bij elke bobbel en put even 2.3Nm kan laten voelen, kan je met meer vermogen ook een groter verschil voelen. Je hebt gewoon een veel grotere schaal van details waardoor het rijden dus "echter" voelt.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource ah zo. Ja dan zal 9 misschien inderdaad wel genoeg zijn, dankjewel!
I'm afraid the 923 is in a very different class from the Moza R5. The R5 is way above the 923 in every way. Every sim racer will tell you that, not just me. You have to use the R5 to understand that. I had a G29 and the move up to the R5 was night and day period!
Yes, way above, including price. The R5, no matter how you look at it, is in the starter wheel category. If you are satisfied with it, by all means, who am I to tell you that in some cases the Logitech is a better pick. I wish you a very excellent end of year period
Hello friend... What would you recommend me to buy... I like games such as: eurotruck simulator, the bus, simfarmer and so on... Should I buy Logitech g23 29 or a moza r5…? Thanks for your answer friend 😊
Depends on the platform and if it is your first wheel. If it is your first wheel I recommend looking at your second hand sites for a Thrustmaster T300 or Logitech G923. Pay as little as possible for your first wheelbase and play with it for a couple of months. At that moment it will become clear what qualities you need in a wheelbase (power, comfort, diameter steering wheel, smoothness ride). If you then have the need to change, you will be able to sell your wheelbase at about the Same price you bought it second hand and invest in something that suits your requirements better.
Damn, if you would have held out a few more months you would have got the new moza trucker sim wheel😂
I absolutely LOVE that trucker wheel 🤤
Hey, I am currently saving up for a G923 which is around 1500 in my region, going through reviews I am understanding that Moza r5 gives a more emmersed experience but it is 2500. Should I be patient and wait 4 months more of saving or should I stick with the G923?
It is hard to say for me friend. I think they are both good and yes, technically the MOZA is better but you could also be happy with the G923. I can not decide it for you and can only tell you what I think of them. Let us say that the chance that you will buy a R5 and want to upgrade is a lot lower than buying a G923. Perhaps look second hand. See if you can find it cheaper?
@@SimulatedDrivingResource i live in a very isolated area so people don't even have racing wheels, forget them selling it second hand. Thanks for the help, I'll probably go for a MOZA as I am saving up for a wheel as a long investment and am using it more as a way to drive young without risk. If i develop this hobby then I can upgrade the wheels and add shifters etc to MOZA but can't to G923. Thanks again for the help.
@@7even991 enjoy the drive friend
I have never had a steering wheel, I am a beginner, I just want to have the most immersive and realistic experience possible, I play beamng and assetto corsa, which steering wheel do you recommend?
I like the TrueForce/Fullforce in BeamNG. It makes you feel the revving of the engine, shifting and so on. For me, the best wheel is at this moment the Logitech G Pro, but that wheelbase is very pricey and I am not sure if it is within your budget.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Okay, so I guess you recommend the Logitech? The most I can spend would be about 600 dollars.
@@Kronflax ok with that budget I would say Trueforce or Fullforce is out of budget. The Fanatec CSL DD ready to race bundle is good value when you buy new. If you dont mind second hand, a Thrustmaster T300 will give you a decent experience also. The T300/TX second hand is what I recommend to most people that start out
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Ok, I don't know much about steering wheels but I have noticed that most simracers prefer a direct drive, I would like to know what the difference is between a direct drive or trueforce?
@@Kronflax trueforce (or fullforce of fanatec) is a protocol that provides extra vibrations on top of the normal ffb transmission (gear/belt/direct drive). For a normal direct drive for example, you will feel things like lateral force, kerbs, imperfections in the road but for example you will not feel the revving of the engine or when you shift gears. That is what Trueforce adds. I made quite some informative video's about it
Logitech crazy for wanting 1g for their wheel base
well it seems to be worth it , look it up
As a small reviewer, I wholeheartedly agree. Then again, quite some People out there buying it. If ever I have the opportunity of acquiring it at a price which is a bit more wallet-friendly, I certainly will. Am curious for the Trueforce in it.
To be fair I did switch from moza R5 and T-GT2 to a g923, mainly because it's the only wheel that has the right curb feedback in GT7, not even TGT2 has it (maybe because of the Trueforce?)
They do make decent hardware. I only wish they would have also made a more affordable direct drive with the TrueForce technology 😕
May i ask do you feel its worth changing from the DD Moza to the gear driven G923 for trueforce?
@@jayj97921 me personally... No. The TrueForce is good, but for me not worth changing to the G923 for.
@@jayj97921 The only thing I can say is once you tried MOZA R5 ,everything not DD will feel like gear driven, so I immidiatly switch from TGT2 to G923 because it is half the price and have better curb feed back even though lacking some power (and have better pedal + shifter)
@@jayj97921 If everything is working fine , I won't be changing from MOZA, it's one of the best wheel I've ever own. I change to TGT mainly because HPG shifter is too stiff for my desk and I want to feel every detail in GT7
is the moza bigger?
No. The housing is smaller.
Does your r5 return to center on its own like a spring? Even when i have the spring setting at 0 it does that
Yes it does. Its normal car-mechanics, no? 😎
@@SimulatedDrivingResource feels weird because thrustmaster doesnt have that. Only linear resistance. So this was a new effect for me with r5
What type of wheelbase from TM because afaik, they also have return to center, not as impressive as the R5 but still present
@@SimulatedDrivingResource It was ts-pc. I would like The option to not have automatic centering when driving using moza bases.
There is a setting natural intertia. Can you see if that does anything? Problem is I sold the R5 again so I cant test any longer
Moza the best!
here's my opinions logitech wheels is just for KIDS and moza is for real MAN 🤣🤣