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@@user-qp8wz8qz3m depends from region to region but that seems to be a good price then

For sure. Simagic spends a lot of time and effort on their eco-system whereas Logitech... Well... they will get there... some day 😏

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I've been shopping for dd wheel and every big sim channel reviews sim magic as the better wheel base due to how it interprets data from games and it's getting better so I have decided to go with simagic based on price to performance.

Well, every reviewer has their own opinion ofcourse. Enjoy the ride friend. The alpha mini is a fantastic ride

Did you have them before or did you never had any to start with? You should have some feedback there normally, it was more with the shifting that there were issues. Make sure the vibration settings of the controller are high enough.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I have tried the controller vibration setting 0 - max with no difference. The force feedback when driving is fine it’s just the kerb strikes etc nothing happens. Using the pad is actually better for feeling the kerbs and shifting vibrations lol

@@Glamoxe GTRS more innovative design. Better config possibilities. Smaller footprint. Imo better and more stable wheelbaseholder. Some nice design touches

@@SimulatedDrivingResource and the pedals is more solid than the gt1 evo with a 100kg load cell ?

The pedal plate of the gtrs are made out of 2 pieces of 4040 and 1 piece of 4080 profile. This adds alot to the rigidity. It also features a lot of attachment points which is necessary because there are no support beams at the front. The SimLab however does have support beams but with a thinner plate to attach the pedals themselves. Because it are 2 different mechanisms, it is hard to say which is more sturdy. The usage of the extrusion beams to attach the pedals or pedal plate to is stronger than the SimLab pedal plate but the flex of the attachment itself on the SimLab is slightly less.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource thanks you 🙏

@@user-ys7qr2yd8j i currently am abroad so I cant test but as far as I read, with turning the braces outwards it should work for the pedals. TM wheelbase are no issue

@@SimulatedDrivingResource thanks a lot

No experience with it unfortunately

@@SimulatedDrivingResource what about the SimXPro GT Seat? Great review btw, keep up with the good work 👍

@@HelderAC i bought the GTRS with the generic recliner but the X80 i tested with the GT seat. It was very comfortable actually and as far as I remember also good quality

Structure is solid. I wouldnt say the best but it will handle it.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource And there are screw holes patterns for the Moza D12?

No disagreement from me there

It seems that new peripherals, including at least one new wheel, are just around the corner.

I think from personal view that the Playseat will feel less restraint than the NLR. I take it you have broad shoulders too.

I think so. It offers some extra configuration and extra stability of the vertical beams. For SimXpro I also have a voucher 6%-SDR2024 .

@@SimulatedDrivingResource nice thank you also the black powder

@@manil.777 absolutely. TR should be more scratch resistant but I have my doubts.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource the tr80 lite for me in italy shipping cost 45€ , sim x pro shipping cost 20€ … i think its better take simxpro gt rs because the shipping cost its way more cheaper then trak racer for my location! Italy Liguria.

Also if i take the tr80lite with a seat the shipping cost is 200€.. for my location , simxpro better shipping price then al other rigs for my location ..

I have not seen any issues there. Can you elaborate?

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I mean that Fanatec have influenced Polyphony to nerf Logitech. Fanatec have done much worse things like neglect customers as well

@@001sander2 certainly. Customer support at Fanatec has been nerfed for a few years already. But I have to stress, its only a theory I have. I dont want to point fingers with only theories.

@@richeyrich6855 am sure it will handle it like a champ. You wont regret it. Dont forget there is also the Logitech edition.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Copy that but I like the all black, it matches my all black Nissan 370z Touring Sport 😎

@@ilnikogo7034 a Thrustmaster T248 with T3PM pedals

If it works, it works 👍

That should ofcourse never happen. Is it possible your wheelbase may need a firmware update?

@@SimulatedDrivingResourceI forgot to mention that. I did do that but I felt no changes. Although for some reason I initially had trouble getting my wheel to communicate with G-hub due to a missing driver. Did you do a firmware update after 1.49 and did you notice any improvement?

@@joshriver75 ok because that would be my main guess when hearing issues like that. No, the firmware of my wheelbase was already up-to-date so I dont really have a before and after image. While there is the issue of the TF, the rest of the FFB feels very good to me so I am really surprised somewhat by your experience 😕

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I suppose I should double check the firmware.

I understand the remark. But in all fairness, looking at the sim-racing community, the physics in GT7 were frowned upon and even ridiculed for it being more like a simcade instead of simulator. For me this is a dumb thing to say because I think this made it open to more people, making the treshold lower. On the other hand, I do really like the changes they did too. Unfortunately, you can't do good for all.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource the problem is it’s not what people bought. I’d prefer it more sim like (I still don’t think they’ve got it 100% yet. But the frustrating thing is it’s ever changing. I have a friend that has sim raced for years, after the new update and all the changes and glitches to the game / cars he seems to have just quit playing. His reasoning, make up your mind and quit messing with it, making changes is admitting you didn’t finish the game. I agree, why are they making changes? Who are they listening to that makes them decide we better change the physics yet again? The problem for me is my wheel feels completely different, I paid a lot of money for that, I just wanted full strength unlock but they had to go and change everything. The wheel feels good but at times it just doesn’t. We buy the game, we are either all disappointed in it or we aren’t. Keep changing it and we’re all gonna be disappointed with it at some point in time after the endless physic updates. People defend the cars launching into the sky as a glitch… well guess what the old physics engine or suspension model didn’t do that so which one is better?

As I said, I completely understand your gripe and that of your friend. Change is never easy, especially for those that didnt ask for it in the first place. In their mind, after a process of consulting "someone", the change was seen as a process to make things better. Did they or didnt they... that is personal but I can only encourage you and your friend to voice your opinion on their forum too as I doubt they will be interested in the comments of my video.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource yeah just venting, sorry about that. That’s gaming these days, buy GT7, years later they could update it into Contra.

Its not the kerbs. Kerbs are fine and even better as they are mostly generated by the standard ffb in combo with the TF. Its the shifting and revving effect

We will see I guess. With the amount of "negative" feedback PD receives for this topic, they will need to do "something"

For the G29, i would have expected for it to feel better honestly. The general FFB has been improved

@@SimulatedDrivingResource i dont feel connected to the road anymore after the update. Tyre feedback is unrealistic and unreliable.

Absolutely. It is a very fine base with a lot of potential and the only base that I tested which has those useful buttons and Rotary encoders on the base itself. I only wish it wouldnt weigh a ton. I believe that is also why I favor the C12 as my standard for driving. I have to swap a lot for testing and the C12 is easily added and removed from my rig. I really hope Cammus starts getting the love from the community they deserve soon.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I mean your use case as a content creator although valid, not typical of your audience. Point that out in your script but don’t cite it as a negative for normal use. I mean, is it way heavier than all the Fanatec and Simagic and Moza bases with similar Nm output? Being heavy can mean it feels solid and durable. Something you’d want for 15Nm peek.

😏 very good comment. The weight is indeed linked in this case for me swapping bases but the form factor is also decissive for those that want to have their screen close and/or compact. You can't put a ddwb on a playseat challenge for example while it is possible with a c12. If it is recommended is another thing. And if I do a versus with a Moza or Fanatec, it will be of course less of a point as you say.

Hmmmm i didnt even know Drivehub also allowed for the Trueforce emulation. Then again, it emulates a controller so I guess it makes sense 😅

@@la8208 that is not because of TrueForce. Put the sensitivity of the wheelbase higher (4-5). If that doesnt solve it, add some more dampener.

I will need to test since some also say t-dfb is not OK after update.

@@Pooz30 absolutely. The exclusiveness of the T-DFB kills it really. You will be happy if you decide to change games.

Hard choice friend.... the drive of the T128 feels better but the steering wheel and pedals of the g29 feel better. If I would need to choose, g29... I really didnt like the small plastic steering wheel and pedals of the t128. But a pro-tip, look at second hand market. Good bargains to be found there

@@MiguelBarraca I had the same question, and decided to go for T128 as it has a better technology hybrid gear and belt driven whereas the g29 is a gear driven, a little older and noisy technology. The FFB is pretty amazing and the size and material I didn’t honestly have an issue with, the grip was pretty okay and the size it’s comfortable. Price wise you can buy a T128 brand new for a less compared to g29 used. So the best value for me was T128.

As with many of the versus video's, it is personal choice.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Exactly, and your video was one of the resources that helped me. Thank you. I’d have to add one more thing, probably it’s a topic you can make a video about. Actually, lot of newbies to the sim racing are unaware about the fact that despite whatever wheel they buy, tweaking the settings is important for each game. Example, I bought T128 to mainly play Forza Motorsport, the stock settings were very difficult to handle with, had to do some research and find the right settings to match the wheel, it was day and night difference between default settings and adjusted settings.

Always nice to get comments from my fellow countrymen 😎 "decently" is a broad word. It will flex, obviously, because the way it is made (foldable) but its the most user-friendly, foldable and Storable solution out there for the moment. If you have some dedicated space I would dare recommend a (second hand) Playseat Trophy.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Okay thank you very much for your advice! I will measure my space and if it's okay I shall look at the 2nd hand market for the Playseat Trophy! Enjoy for your great videos :)

I initially had my G Pro mounted to a Next Level Racing GT Lite foldable rig. I ended up using rachet straps to vastly reduce flex. It was still there, but if braced properly you can get away with a foldable rig/G Pro combination.

Yeah but the part that opens and closes still is a very weak point in the setup. You could reinforce it but it would mean setting it up again makes it much more hard imo 😕

@@supercededman oh that’s nice to hear, I’m gonna measure once I’m back home to see if a trophy fits because it looks like a relatively not hugeee rig either, but double the price of the foldable ones 🥲

They posted it. But in all fairness it doesnt change that much for TF www.tiktok.com/@logitechg/video/7395985823985896750

@@SimulatedDrivingResource thanks for the information. Unless you are the Incredible Hulk could not bare 11 N/M of torque. I am simply too old for that 🤣🇨🇦

Bringing up the sensitivity (4-5) and damper a bit may help with the oscillations too with those powerful cars

put controller sensitivity in game on 5 force ff in game 10 and torc 6 then on your wheel put dampener up around 25 tf audio turn up and ffb between 7 an 9 no need too ever go too 11 unless you want too wear you stuff out

@@Rickk69er Try writing again using , and .

Ha. I had never even thought of the extra wear&tear it would generate but you are absolutely right. It would be a valid reason to nerf it!! 👍👍 sorry about your loss though...its very expensive 🥺

A lot of people (including myself) can feel a difference though. TF is very subjective so that probably explains it.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I definitely feel the difference, and it’s clear that it was nerfed. If I run it at 35 the way I did pre-update I would feel the same as others. I guess I just can’t wrap my head around why people want or need more than we are getting? If 150 is too intense for me as it is. I couldn’t imagine wanting more. I’d love to see them do more fine details with the true force and add some more layers to the fidelity, but during intense moments of traction loss, I don’t need it to feel like my entire rig is shaking loose.

I followed LogiRich's suggestions, too. Ended up doing the same as you, too. Perfect.

You guys are correct for sure. You want to find that Balance between TF and the regular FFB but still, I do miss the jolts when shifting gears. I think that is the main gripe i have with it atm

@@SimulatedDrivingResource agreed, I’d love to feel more shift jolt that varied depending on car, power, tires, etc… it would help simulate g force.

Agreed, sooo much better

For force feedback, yes, but also for T-DFB?

Don't beat them... they will break 😲

Absolutely. I only wonder why they saw the need to do it. Afaik everyone was happy about it and with the settings on the G Pro you could adapt it to your liking if it was too strong. Mind-boggling.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource you think it was intentional? I was guessing it was an unintentional bug/mistake when they unlocked the full strength of the wheel

@@stnleyb don't think so. They were not aiming at TrueForce alone, T-DFB of Thrustmaster has Same issue. In all honesty, and it is only speculation ofcourse but I think it is more related to the introduction of FullForce from Fanatec. Either way, they need to correct it and rather sooner than later

So fullforce works?

@@Bayr0n unfortunately, I have no Fanatec base to test it

Hello KaMiKa, I have a the Pro Wheel in my Cart and I already ordered the Pro Pedals on sale at Best Buy but should I just hold off on the Pro Anything at the moment? It seems like they really Screwed it up after update 1.49 & 1.50. At this point I'm ready to just buy a G923 and wait until after October to see what Logitech is doing after the Germany Sim Expo.

@@richeyrich6855 no. Go ahead and do the purchase now since they are discounted through the logi play days too. Some people who didn't have the true force set so high like I did, didnt even notice. It's still a perfect wheel for Gran Turismo 7

@@KaMiKaZeBeAtS001 Thank you, Sir I actually ordered Pro Wheel & Pedals at full price through Best Buy for the store pick up and lost out on $180 savings directly through Logitech America because I read a ton of bad deliveries stories because of FedEx Ground which would have delivered here to my office. If they were using UPS I would have bought them directly through Logitech because our UPS driver is here twice a day and would never leave our packages outside. Thanks again!

Glad to hear that. I am not sure all C5 have v2 paddles installed and even how the v2 pedals look like. I will check on this. And I share that recommendation. Fantastic piece of technology for a soft price.

:-(

Very glad I could help you with taking a decission. Enjoy the drive friend 💙

Insolvency but they are still continuing their operations. They are still counting on a take-over by Corsair.

So you still feel the jolts when shifting on the G923? So strange that they nerf it on 1 but not the other steering wheel. I really wonder what their reasoning is for doing so

@@SimulatedDrivingResource There's never really a clear jolts when shifting a old manual car which I usually drove, maybe was in some GT car but I can't remember what it used to feel like , the thing I can comfirm is the Curbs rumble are still there (on G923 at least) which is the most important to me

You can't really compare the TrueForce on the G29 to the Pro, its a completely different system. The Trueforce post update remains on the G29, but it was hardly noticeable in the first place.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource just checked, the jolts is there, but more like hit or miss for me(I feel like is always like this), I can feel it in some track with some car. for example, I can always feel Ferrari VGT jolts in the beginning of the race when AI is shifting it, but after the race start and I took over I can’t always feel it, but never felt it at all when racing with 787b (tested with g923)

@@SimulatedDrivingResource don’t know if you read this but I tested with the G pro wheel and can confirm the curb rumble is still there but the gear shift jolts is totally gone, even worst than g923 (g923 set at 75, g pro wheel 150)

@@DOC187able and you answered the shift question 🤭 thanks for sharing man

My Logitech pro wheel vibrating like a crazy. I should hold the wheel with my two hands otherwise it is going crazy. You were very comfortable with the wheel doesn’t seem you have the same issue. Are you using the same settings that you shared? Thanks!

Think it depends on the car in combination with the sensitivity. I drove the DeLorean. Try putting sensitivity on 3 or 4 and perhaps up the dampener a bit

@@SimulatedDrivingResource tgt has a built-in transducer vibrating when clipping the curb or shifting gears ect

Yup I know... but the data used is the same as TrueForce. 😎

@@DOC187able that is interesting. I did not even test the TGT2. Did you max out the settings too? 150 strength? Do you still feel the gear shifts?

Absolutely not. You have a steering wheel, pedals and active force feedback for a small price. Good package if you're on a budget or just starting out.