Clip Studio Paint subscription - What you need to know
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2022
- Clip Studio Paint melted down Twitter last week where their announcement of a subscription-based model. Everything you need to know is here in my breakdown.
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It's like they think artists get paid as much as software engineers in the US.
There is little chance the developers will see any of this. It's like saying game devs get money off of DLC.
@@CreateNowSleepLater you misunderstand me. What I'm saying is not that the developers will get a cut but that this payment structure does no justice for the target clientele outside the businesses that can afford it.
Smaller artists are already bleeding being married to Adobe. Csp going this route just adds to less options.
@@SkepticalTiger Right, I'm saying the devs wont get paid either. I totally get what you're saying. This is totally anti-consumer.
To be fair... in Jetbrains subscription model you pay full price first year, then 20% discount (or so) the second... and from 3rd you pay 40% discount :D and Visual studio is free for indie developers :)
we really need to make more content about CSP alternatives. they need to know that we're only using their product as long as its value is above the rest with a reasonable price, but once one of these things changes, we have good options to go to.
competition is essential and without showing them we can quickly move to different software they'll become the new photoshop in a blink of an eye.
also, it's good for content creators to make these videos for their publicity since this is the hot topic now in the art section of the internet, so please take this chance to completely go at them.
and don't feel bad for the company, they're making enough money from CSP as it is and they're just a regular corporation, they don't have feelings and they bend to rules of supply and demand as any other business in history.
Maybe I’ll start fooling around with Krita. Time is always the issue.
As far as I know, Vector Layers and their associated workflow are unique to CSP. For me, there _ARE NO_ alternatives.
@@TheKevphil yeah that sucks, I'm sorry
I mean, there's blender's grease pencil, but it's a totally different workflow.
Someone mentioned Inkscape but I’ve never used it.
@@CreateNowSleepLater I tried it once and it wasn't really for me, it seems a bit old school... But I've seen some awesome things people created with it!
CSP: "Were a one time payment thingy no subscription"
CSP now: "Well.... we like what Adobe is doing"
It’s not even just that. The buy perpetual for one device, plus an update pass is obnoxious. Then they have the nerve to roll you back if you don’t keep the pass? So to keep up to date, they actually came up with two sub models. It’s unreal.
Good job in summing all this up.
If I'm honest I've been expecting a subscription model for a while but I did not expect the half asssed permanent license with an upgrade pass nonsense.
I guess we will have to wait and see what they come out with price wise.
My guess is, perpetual + Update pass will be overall more expensive than the sub and that is the point. What makes this greed is the introduction of the new version would have forced all the non-revenue generating user to renew. Kind of like any other annual software. The pass on top of it is just obnoxious.
It feels like CELSYS wanted to make 1.0 obsolete and make 2.0 with a battle pass happen. I would've been annoyed if CSP tutorial videos with exclusive features under the paywall appeared. So bad that an offical Krita twitter account tweeted "Krita is and always will be free to download." Though I wish Krita would have vector improvements with pressure sensitivity so it can compete with CSP and SAI's vector tools.
I think it's totally fair to have asked people to pay a one time fee for a new version. That is not unusual. The pass? yeah, no.
Only issue with Krita is that the .kra file gets corrupted on android. On Pc, it often crashes when creating, merging, and grouping layers.
It’s a catch 22. Anything free is going to have finite resources. That’s why I’m not against paying. I get that they could not stay on a one time payment forever. The upgrade to 2.0 would have been a huge boost for them since many of us haven’t paid anything for years. This is an aggressive overcompensation.
... Krita is working on those more than likely. Krita also has gotten much more stable as of 5.0. The only time it crashes is mainly... Filter masks, but honestly... Krita has evolved so much from 2019 when I first used it due to being free, then I went to CSP, now went back to Krita due to the subscription BS.... Krita 5.0 is like CSP without vector layers and a no contest better digital painting experience. CSP has the edge in line art, Krita has a jack of all trades, but has mastered digital painting....
The best brush set that pairs lovely if do use Krita. Kakurri's brushes if like CSP's tools than it's honestly not much difference... Also Krita has better REFERENCING TOOLS, no Clipboard referencing in CSP is kind of one of my biggest issues or,,, CSP's lack luster perspective easy to use tools... Line art is where CSP shines and Krita fails, but the reverse shows.... Krita is best with Woifthera's ink brushes + Kakurri's brushes ( for everything + the blenders ).
I'm okay if it was a FEE for updates that we KEEP, but this was a power grab.
Krita gets better and more stable as she gets with age. CSP gone to shit as a person who has THE EX version.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Krita is free, but gets donated to hell and back and responds VERY OFTEN to criticism. Read their blogs, it's so cocky how they thrown CSP under the bus and called them competition rather than Adobe. xD
Krita I love how that company straight up mocked CSP. Krita is something I already had a history with, but... Going back to Krita due to this one part.... One week before the update. Since I draw with my Labtop and PC... I was using Krita to do digital paintings, while my PC with CSP line art.... This ticks me off. CSP I loved for the vector layers and better fill tool, but Krita has recently added one of those tools. >:)
i tried to like Krita, but it's not doing it enough well for me tbh
Once i got used to CSP, i don't see myself moving out of it anymore
@@xXVibrantSnowXx What's wrong with Krita? I find it destorys CSP in brush engine wise and customizing brushes. The only advantage CSP has is maybe the vector layer.
Another one I need to add to the list.
@@MaoRatto That's a *_HUUUGE_* advantage. And all the tools that work with it.
@@TheKevphil Krita is a case of. It gets better with age. Clip studio pain is a great program plagued with a beyond unrespectable and intolerable business model. The stockholders need to STFU for Celsy. I have no respect for bean counters for Celsy for forcing the company to subscription based content. If I got a physical product + maybe permanent yearly upgrades, than I would able to swallow the bitter pill, but I'm not coming back to Clip studio pain ever again. They can eat crap for all I care for even thinking of the idea of doing subscription based crap for Desktop users.. Photoshop is hated and pirated a ton for a reason.
I use Krita + Rakurri brushes which is perfect.
Clip studio pain tools when in a vector layer only works with brushes that don't blend.
It seems that the best bang for the buck is stay with version 1.x and wait until they release 3.0, then wait until the next sale. Then buy 3.0
Unless 3.0 sucks ass, then wait for 4.0 instead etc.
Right, thing is, we dont know the release cycle. If it goes to an annual cycle, that will get expensive real quick meaning the sub model is actually cheaper. (Which is what I'm afriad of)
Well said, great points, love the channel nobody is doing it like you brother. Keep up the good work on digital art everything!
Thanks man! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
It's the pirates life for me.
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This was a great breakdown I have to say. Sums up the terrible choice they made and ridiculous price plans moving forward.
Thanks, sadly it isn't a video I wanted to make. I was actually testing my streaming stuff and I just let the mic rip. lol
I think what's really frustrating about this is when you look at the math, the pro version monthly for a single device is more expensive (if you account for a 5% sales tax) then the current one-time purchase of pro for two. Yes its only roughly an increase of $4. But that's only for one year. That's not counting for all the years after. So essentially your paying MORE in one year for this version of the new set... For the base version of the program with the further caveat that you loose the option of having an additional device. Idk if I'm getting stuck on the wrong point of this subject. But all around this just feels like a stab in the back
Because it’s a completely anti-consumer model.
I've been using Krita since 2017, and people always shit talked it cos CSP was better. But hell, they forget that Krita is FREE, and has basically everything you need to create good art. There have been issues with bugs but one time issues doesn't downplay how much it helped me with my art career. So yeah, im sticking with Krita because they've been awesome.
Awesome that it’s working for you. I did install it to try it out.
As a profesional I learn to do not marry my ideas and preferences and always keep my feet on the ground, with my little company I was donating to KRITA since version 4 I believe since 2018 🤔can't remember, anyways doesn't matters, the point is back then I saw the HUGE potential of KRITA and I love it then I contacted them start donating and give them my personal and team feedback about the app and they really made a big jump to where Krita 5.1 is right now, and as you I saw many people badmouth Krita and Blender for being free open sources, but again as with the ZBrush+Maya FANATICS I am seeing the CSP fans cult members EAT each one of their words one by one, in my little independent studio we work in NPR (non photorealistic rendering) in simple words we make 3d models looks 2d like what you saw in the League of Legends Netflix series ARCANE and even go further and believe me in a one shot image you will not be able to recognize or tell if is 3D or 2d and that is THANKS to KRITA, Photoshop excels in photo enhancement, CSP excels in 3d model enhancement (all the other features are present in Krita 5.1) and KRITA has the BEST and more powerful brush engine in the market right now what makes the software excels in emulate traditional artwork KRITA is the BEST for digital painting, CSP is millions of light years behind in terms of brushes compared with KRITA then we tried the 3 software, Photoshop was good for hand paint textures but not great, CSP only gave us the chance to import the models and see them in CSP but to be honest CSP is not great for post processing you always end improving the images in Photoshop or after effects then didn't give anything over Photoshop but I was still not fully satisfy and had in my head that must be something better when I saw in my daily programmer the note to donate to KRITA and I did and discovered they released K5.1 and we give it a try with my team was hard for all of them very used to work in Photoshop and CSP but the results are AMAZING this new hand paint textures really looks HAND PAINT they really pop up, I had years trying to emulate the Studio Ghibli style with 3d models and I am able now thanks to KRITA, not Photoshop and CSP was the WORST of the 3 in terms of color management, brushes and post processing, then if you are not a MANGA or ANIME artist (digital artist and western comic style artist benefits more using KRITA than CSP, CSP is not good for color management at certain complexity) the truth is CSP do not offers you anything special. Plus let me give you a secret 😈😈😈go here mblab.dev/ download Blender and this addon and you will be able to create your own 3d assets without need to learn 3d modeling 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this FREE addon for Blender that is also FREE TOTALLY KILLS Clip Studio Paint biggest feature, just watch the video tutorial in youtube in less than an hour you will be more than fine creating your own FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE 3D assets then you just pose them (pose in Blender is easier and much better than being fighting with the damn useless gyzmos in CSP) find your preferred camera angle press F11 and export the render with transparent background import them into KRITA and finish your illustrations 😸 AND IS EVEN BETTER than CSP 3d models because this addon allows you to FULLY customize EVERY SINGLE PART of your character not only the body shape, also allows you to pick different ethnicities, anime characters and even fantasy characters like Elves, then I have a tight schedule and I am not sure how long will take me create youtube tutorials on how to use the Blender+KRTA killer duo, but I will try, anyways give it a try and of course roll the ball and let the Krita gang knows about this addon for blender tell them to just search MB-LAB blender addon in youtube and you guys will be rolling 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😼
That’s awesome. If you ever get those tutorials up, hit up my discord, there aren’t many people there but I have a section for stuff like that. I installed Krita last week. I just need more time with it.
@@blancostudio3d Keita make it hard to donate as I would like, they should get a better model for funding like the many blender options.
@@chuzzbot I agree with you, but tell us a lot how the developers are not focused on getting money but to improve the app, what is worth to admire.
Krita and Medibang for me. Open source is the way to go.
I need to spend more time with Krita.
The two that keeps me using clip studio paint above anything else is the vector brush/eraser and I like the tab-mate. Does anyone know if there's any other software that has this vector trim option?
Inkscape maybe? inkscape.org/
The thing about this is to just squeeze the money out of people who use this for their entire jobflow
It’s totally fair to ask for money to upgrade to the next full version. Manga studio used to do that before they changed to Clip Studio. They were owned by someone else then. The update pass and/or sub is nonsense.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Yeah I can agree with that
Great Summary John. Totally agree, this is so awful. Nothing but greed!
Thanks, it's really sad. So many better ways to go about this.
Bottomline is:
I don't have to run and scamper in order to either get into paying the BS subscription OR look up an alternative art software if I own the perpetual license of the Version 1.9.11, correct?
Correct. Essentially, your 1.9.11 version will work as is until it doesn't work anymore. They are saying bug fixes will still work until version 3.0. You just wont get any new features.
celsys took our trust and smashed it into a million pieces.
my heart is broken but i refuse to leave csp, only bc they have everything i need. otherwise, i would have jumped ship the second i heard the news.
(and no, fellow commenters, i don't like most of the alternatives, sans paint tool sai. _especially_ not krita, i hate krita.)
I don't begrudge anyone for staying with CSP. It's great software. The only thing I'm telling people is to stay on version 1.x and dont pay them until they make it worth it or make the pricing model somewhat consumer friendly.
@@CreateNowSleepLater oh absolutely, i agree!! and if bad turns to worse, well... there's always the high seas ;p
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... Krita isn't that bad my god. Give it another chance or are you a Mac user? The CSP port on Mac does suck, but Linux (original) and Windows Versions are great. To save your wallet, learn Krita... It's still better than Adobe. Besides krita has close and fill, reference layers, and... Kind of has no disadvantage of no vector brush layer like CSP, but... Makes up for it with a better brush engine. Kukarri's Brushes ( blenders ) + Wolfthera's Ink = Good approximation to CSP... Celsy should just suffer.
Paint tool sai is light weight, but not perfect at all... Krita is a great alternative, but got to understand and learn it.
I’m willing to bet Krita makes a big push to compete now.
Is there any news on what new features are actually coming? They really should've talked about that first before they forced subscription
No, thats exactly what I was saying. There is no roadmap other than versions.
@@CreateNowSleepLater yeah I saw you mentioned that later in the video. I agree. Really bad move on their end
Greed! Going back to Krita ... Krita are really doing amazing things!
Nice Video. I am a procesional illustrator for 15 years and use Photoshop as my daily driver. But i am always open for other stuf. For some reason i just keep snapping back to Photoshop. I think it is hard to move away from Photoshop. I have the Photoshop+Lightroom bundle for 9,99 a month. In the end, it are tools i use to make money. I dont mind that it coste fewb bucks for top tier software. Quality cost money. How about tools as Krita? What is your opinion about that?
I think Krita is great for illustration. I have t done a 1:1 comparison but it feels great drawing in it.
as someone who has been using PS and was looking to move to CSP, I would say this definitely makes me pause. that said, if you want an iPad app AND desktop access, CSP Pro is definitely more cost effective than adobe. thing is, I probably have to keep PS as I use LR. so probably will look into Krita now.
Under the new model, You'd would need to pay twice. So two subs essentially. I summed it all up in my follow up: ruclips.net/video/jxflp62OCCg/видео.html Krita is not a bad choice. Also assuming you use Procreate on iPad? For $10, its brilliant.
I would love to believe CSP won't take away features that we currently have in our one time payment version but I'm betting this is not the case at all. Regardless of how much they say/make it seem like they won't, I know they will.
It’s a slippery slope which is why I’m against having 2 versions. How do you know if you get the update pass that your version will get said feature? They need to justify EX being so much more.
They literally can't take away features that we currently have unless they hack into your computer and install a different version.
As long as you don't update your current version they can't change anything, you can keep doing everything you've been doing without pay extra or upgrading
I replied to your other post but this is true if you stay on the 1.X version. There is a timeline where 1.X won’t get big fixes. They have already forecasted out to version 4.0 which tells me those full versions will be close to an annual model meaning staying on 1.X will get outdated real fast. You are only one device driver or OS patch away from breaking everything. Just planning to stay on 1.X isn’t a great long term plan. Not because I disagree with you but the lack of conversation about this from Celesys shows that they made a decision to rip the bandaid off.
As long I can stay on 1.x and not force me into 2.0 then I'm straight. I don't care about new features and their Cloud because it's their latest features is actually all I need. I bought EX about 4 years and I was this close thinking about buying the Mobile subscription for an iPad that I can plan for the future. loyalty purpose for sure. I guess that's not happening anytime soon if they did this. They could've AT LEAST create CSP 2 like Photoshop CS5 or CS6😅🤷🏾♀️
I feel the same way. They didn’t even think to give you two devices like the perpetual.
Might as well pay for industry standard Photoshop!
Exactly.
They should make updates cost money BUT the updates also give you gold to spend on 3d models/brushes. It could be done in a way that it's a major discount to buying gold normally (10$ for 1000 gold isn't that great) but if you buy an update for 25$ and gained 10k gold then you would get gold at a 400% value while getting your update.
Their assets are so vast that they could also roll a bunch of things into a bundle and sell at a discount causing people to get more bang for their buck while also selling models that are usually ignored.
I would have been fine to pay a one time upgrade as long as I got all the updates like literally everyone else does. If you buy Davinci or camtasia, they don’t say you need a sub for an incremental feature.
Affinity and Krita which is better to replace CSP?
Depends on what kind of Art. I think the consensus is Krita for illustration while Affinity is closer to a photoshop alternative. I'd try both.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Thanks!
Krita is better for digital painting than CSP, but line art... CSP has the upperhand, but Krita is catching up though.
@@MaoRatto Thanks!
Well said! I agree about the overpriced marketing of CSP on mobile devices. I have used the program on my computer for years and still love everything about it… When it was brought to iPad, I immediately saw the writing on the wall and felt like it was just another scam. I tried the free trial of the app and immediately saw the difference in robust and silky smooth program I came to know and love, so uninstalled it after a short time. It was not user error, I assure you. I use The full program on my HP ZBook x2 g4 along with HUION KAMVAS pro 22 and it runs like butter, with no additional charges of fees, and updates regularly unlike the app version which was built for desperate suckers, who don’t know when they’re being ripped off.
Agreed, I did another video to review the features and pricing. What a joke.
I might (don't know yet) upgrade to 2.0 (no subscription... sorry "feature preview upgrade pass" -> reminds me of EA "it's not gambling, it's Suprise mechanics"), and we'll go from there. But so subscription of any kind and... I'll give Krita a go :)
I don’t know what I’m doing yet aside from Jo sub. Also depends if they have an upgrade path from 1.X to 3.0. I did an update here ruclips.net/video/jxflp62OCCg/видео.html
I'll be honest, I'm only concerned that it's cheaper than Adobe PS. And so far it looks like it is? I like to keep it simple. No need for drama (not referring to the video just in general.)
No I get it. For this channel, I've covered a lot of digital art stuff including some Clip tutorials so its a constant flow of DMs asking what all this means.
when i bought clip studio thought it was lifetime coz there was no mentioning about only purchasing 1.x or something like that.. now they want more of my money... Reminds me filmora..
Its actually worse than Filmora. First, Filmora reveresed their decision. Second, they didnt charge an additional update pass for new features. Then if you want them permanent, you need to buy the yearly perpetual upgrades. Unreal.
honestly I'm a Krita user then I switch to CSP because Krita starts to get slow... with this sub model I think might go back to Krita or if I'm going to pay a sub model I'd rather use Adobe than theirs.....this decision that they made disappoints me
I totally understand. Out of all the comments, I’m seeing very few that are going to pay the sub but I think we are in the minority.
Don't think pro artists that make money off their art will care too much about this, this is still cheaper than PS but for people like me, that do not make any money with art and just treat it as a hobby, it's kind of a punch in the gut, i wanted to buy the license for CSP 1.0 since i've recently tried the software the i'm just loving it, i'll still buy it more than likely but i won't be too happy about it, knowing that its days are already counted.
Hopefully the people behind this aren't scummy enough to purposely make the version 1.0 obsolete/incompatible overtime just to force people into buying 2.0+.
I wouldn't count on this company to not do anything scummy. I also think there are a lot of different levels of pro. Many people thought cutting the cord was great when it was just Hulu and Netflix. Now look at it... You never want to just cave to anti-consumer tactics. They should just make people pay for 2.0 and thats it. You get the updates. That makes everyone who owns it pay up again. This update pass on top of it is awful. No other company I've seen reverts features back in a hybrid model.
Wrong, I make all my money from art and like to use CSP not Adobe for this very reason.
I will switch as a matter of principle, remember principles?
I'll use and update CSP as long as it's free as it's the best i've ever used and im comfy with it now, but if that ever changes i'm not paying a sub. I just dont believe in it. I will always be a one time buyer or free product user. im sure it probably says somewhere in the fine fine fine print that someday my license is null and they uninstall it from my computer 🙄 Are we even safe?
I did an update here: ruclips.net/video/jxflp62OCCg/видео.html but they will not revoke your 1.x perpetual license. If you bought it, its not like they can uninstall it. Once 2.0 comes out, its a different ballgame.
@@CreateNowSleepLater So to be safe , dont update, correct? lol
@@CaprineQueen I dont think we know yet until they release it. Sadly, I will probably jump in the grenade and post a video. There are a few ways to get to 2.0, we'll just have to see. It might not be an upgrade as much as a new install.
Subscription services make the developers of apps lazy because they are already getting your money. Don't support subscriptions. Get them to EARN the money by providing customers with a good solid UPGRADE VERSION to motivate us to buy the UPGRADE. I say NO to subscription services. Don't fall for that trap!
I actually have enough for a follow up. I might shoot it tonight but my suspicions were true. It’s all sub based one way or another.
I think it's going to look good for them from a statistics point of view.
Since there is some fear driving more people to buy subscriptions, and those who use them are not effected at all.
And of course there is the group they don't care about, everyone who has a permanent lisence. Since they're not likely to pay after the one time purchase.
There is the sub group of the above who ditches the program, whom they care of even less.
And finally the unknowable group who would have bought it... but will probably now buy subscription. So a win there.
Statistics will just show an increase in people opting into subs, and those who bought it are lilkely way past the refund phase. So an absolute win.
It really comes down to holding the line and there isn’t much evidence that people will do that.
... Forgot about people like me... We want a PERMANENT LISENCE, WE PAID FOR EX, but ditching the program as 1. What's the point of having fancy tools if can't keep them forever since we're hobbyists now forced to learn Krita to secure a better position in art in a year. AKA The group of people who bought the permenant liscense very much a week or two ago from this announcement or EX recently members like me.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Mobile users are holding the " We already do subscription " while people like me who are desktop users are holding hard to "flipping off CSP " as we're CSP EX users. Think of the subscription price, but jacked up further... Making EX no longer viable to hobbyists, but just corporations due to their Metaverse and Publicly traded status.
I totally agree with you. They could have at least grandfathered new buyers in to get the 2.0 upgrade. They literally got every part of this wrong.
@@CreateNowSleepLater I want to see CSP lose a lot more of their will... Krita 5.1.0 is a major improvement from last time I used the program from 2020.
Yup, unfortunately subscription models will always reign supreme for companies. No matter how hated they are, they still rack in way more money than another model could. And even if tons of people boycott and leave they still make profit. That's why that plague of subscriptions just keeps getting worse. Software is becoming nothing more than a parasite that constantly leeches of your money.
I'll sadly stay with CSP but believe me, they will not get another penny out of me. There are always better and just ways to get that software, especially now.
No if people really is boycotting the model, they won't make any profit. The only reason why it works with Adobe is because companies are the main purchasers. Not individuals.
Agreed. That’s the point I made in the video. This could really backfire.
I hope it's gonna backfire like hell.
Don't encourage them.
Executives are scum.
csp yt is growing since the news :) lol
Likely people waiting to hear news
I still like it.
Why shouldn’t you? I think it’s because everyone loves it that their is an outrage.
They should hire you to help them put out a clear message.
It’s like you figured out their secret decoder ring.
I say give it time. If the product is offering more after a price increase then it’s the price of a successful product.
Nobody can stay free or close to free forever.
It’s rough economy and everyone needs to make money to survive.
Thanks for posting this to clarify their message.
Its turning into a money scam
I know, it's so aggressive. Sub plans are anti-consumer as it is. Like I was saying, overall, it is less value on top of it.
@@CreateNowSleepLater I did submit feedback saying the same. I am looking to go back to studying digital art and just a small digital drawing school soon. This makes me worry as Ill have to use the Adobe suite I have. And dont get me started on them.
Right, I totally get it. It sucks when you think you have something handled so you can concentrate on everything else.
for other digital art software, just give us vector brushes and 3d material and we are good
I know right. I wonder if Krita added clipping layers.
@@CreateNowSleepLater I wish krita is available in mobile though, paintool sai is also good
ALL of the Affinity apps (Designer, Photo, Publish) are reaching or exceeding what _should have been_ the 2.0 release, hovering around 1.1.2. You should *_know_* that a repurchase (more money) is in the very near future. You can't run a business with no paying customers!
I think everyone is fine with a 2.0 purchase. I would be. Its the rest of it thats garbage like an update pass that rolls back features. The reality is, that is by design to make the perpetual + update pass the less desirable option. They want you on the monthly sub. Also, no other sub or hybird model has versions. In a sub model, an "ex" version makes no sense.
I am wondering why the artist do not give a try to blender
I think most view Blender as 3D software
It is 2d free animation and illustration brother
I dont care about any new features so i will us csp 1.x until i cant use it no more (aka. Become to buggy to use) i will not be getting into there subscription i paid $200+ for lifetime updates. So no more money coming from me.
Makes total sense
🏴☠ Do what you want cause a pirate is free~ You are a pirate~ ((aka i'm just gonna pirate future versions. I'm not paying them for a version that has nothing new in it and is gimped by a subscription.))
Where do you pirate software if you don't mind me asking?
@@awsumcreations7604 Pirate Bay like most people.
A cash grab scam?
Maybe an oversimplification, but understandable the way they have handled this. Either way, it's a very aggressive approach to revenue. Anti-consumer certainly applies. I understand companies need to make money, there is a fine line. They crossed it imo.
They can't really lose money IMO. I mean, people that bought any of current versions are now giving them $0 pretty much for every update.
So if some people don't get the new versions it won't be a problem for them because those people weren't paying extra anyway.
Also, I don't get why people are complaining or angry about this, you can do pretty much anything with the current versions, we are not losing anything.
You can keep doing everything you've been doing
I look at it differently. I understand they need to generate revenue if they want to grow. I am happy to pay for a 2.0 version. Perhaps some kind of upgrade discount, which is the standard way perpetual licensing has worked. That is sort of their problem though to figure out. The second point is sort of in between the promise of a one-time purchase and now you've had this slow drip of updates that they want you to pay for now. You're right, the current 1.x version will continue to work but only guaranteed to work until version 3.0. Remember Windows and Mac update all the time. Remember what Windows Ink did to Photoshop and Wacom devices? So without the bug fixes, you are one OS update away from not working. It also quite common for the app owners to fix stuff related to tablet tech independent of the OS> That is one of the things I do in my reviews. Essentially, I might encouter and issue with a app. Without those updates you might be hosed if the device mfg can't fix it.
Clip has basically betrayed its users.
Bait and switch.... they better unwind this disgusting thievery.
I WILL NEVER SUB I totally disagree with these suggestions btw.
Krita will also get updates, it already has animation and storyboards, just bring on the vectors and Clip is DEAD.
Vectors is the big one.
I have been using Clip Studio Paint for 10 years. I FULLY UNDERSTOOD the new announcements.... This is NOT necessary, and is just a perpetual money grab. An increase in perpetual license price IS necessary, I will not buy Clip Studio Paint 2.0 and I loved CSP v1. The problem is if I even buy the basic perpetual license, I have perpetuated this predatory bleed they are starting now! Here are SEVERAL reasons NOT to buy 2.0 until they relent. 1st Updated BETA TESTING is NOT interesting to me. 2nd Clip Studio 1 is completely fine for several more years, you don't really need to upgrade right away. 3rd, This company needs to feel pain to prevent them from screwing their customers. 4th, Their are PLENTY of alternatives. Here are just a few. COREL PAINTER is on sale for around 40$ on Humble Bundle around October... for at least the last two years I know of!!!!!!!!! THAT ONE ALONE... ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!! I am signed up for notifications from them for reminders of this sale. Best thing about it, it is also for charity!!!! Krita is free and is also extremely awesome!!! Paintstorm studio is only 20$ and is getting better all the time I have completed several painting in both Krita and Paintstorm. Rebelle 5 is 89$ and has some of the most amazing paint textures and paint vs texture physics I have EVER seen. I especially love to see the water color paint bleed into the paper and nano pixel tech that works with multiple surfaces (wood, different kinds of paper, canvas etc) It feels most like traditional painting to me with the least effort to get that. Then Artrage Vitae, I I only have Artrage 6. I dont have Vitae, can't comment, but Artrage is no slouch, and is very impressive with its versatility and realistic traditional media feel. The trouble I have with most of the "realistic traditional" media software is brush "load". Switching that on the fly is such a pain in the ass, but completely necessary in tradition media. In reality you need to adjust how much you "load" a brush before painting. Doing that every dip with a slider is EXCRUCIATING!!!!! They all have load available, but whew it's just not worth it and REALLY interrupts flow to use it. I digress.... In short, You have way too many options to accept a subscription with just as great results, and in some cases better more natural results. Just don't do it. If we all wait a year (prolly less). They will change their dimwitted minds which will prevent all the rest from doing the same. If you absolutely have to have CSP 2.0.... AHOY MATEYS!!!!! Off to the bay (or some other torrent site) with ya! If you don't get that...... learn about torrents. Incidentally, ALL PROGRAMS used to have a LIFETIME purchase.... This subscription thing is new, it started with windows and has bled into all other software....... NOPE!!!!
Their entire strategy is to make it so you will just give up an go sub. That’s why they said, we’ll give you perpetual but it’s gimped unless you buy some update pass. Then, you stop paying for the pass and we’ll strip features away. Ridiculous.
Holy shit thanks man, i just know about Paintstorm Studio
Agreed.
Hey a tip for posting, try [shift enter] to make a paragraph, I'm not being a smart mouth, pt's just hard to read those big text blocks.
@@chuzzbot Sorry, I know better... I just get caught in a Ranbir then to lazy to separate it. I'll try more in the future.